0:00

Hey, Esteb. Hey, thank you for coming. I really appreciate

0:02

this. I'm pumped for it. Yeah, okay. We're

0:05

going to try to make Super Tuesday

0:08

not feel so tepid. Yes.

0:12

Today is Super Tuesday. So

0:14

people in 15 states and one territory

0:16

are going to the polls in

0:19

Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas,

0:21

California, Colorado, Maine,

0:23

Massachusetts, Minnesota, North

0:25

Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee,

0:27

Texas, Utah, Vermont,

0:29

Virginia, and American

0:31

Samoa. Usually,

0:34

it's one of the biggest days of

0:36

the political calendar. But

0:39

this year, there's nothing to indicate that

0:41

it'll change the broader picture of the

0:43

presidential race. That Trump

0:45

and Biden are seemingly headed to a rematch. It's

0:48

a day when a lot of people will make their voices

0:50

heard. And there are

0:52

also important down-ballot primaries happening. And

0:55

races that could matter for control of the House, Senate,

0:58

and governorships. So

1:00

I called Amy Walter. She's the

1:02

publisher and editor-in-chief of the Cook Political

1:05

Report, which analyzes elections

1:07

and campaigns. And

1:09

she's someone I trust to help me understand

1:11

what is worth paying attention to this Super

1:13

Tuesday. You know,

1:16

I was thinking about it today of,

1:18

all right, what am I going to

1:20

be looking for in some of these

1:22

states for the presidential contest? And

1:25

look, I'm going to be

1:27

looking in particular in some of these

1:29

areas where Nikki Haley

1:31

has been doing better, which

1:34

is suburban areas around

1:37

major metro areas, or

1:39

suburban areas that have

1:41

been trending more

1:43

democratic in the last eight

1:46

years or so. So we know, for example,

1:48

in South Carolina, where did she do best?

1:50

She did best in and

1:52

around Charleston and Hilton

1:54

Head, where many of

1:56

these voters may still be

1:58

voting for Donald Trump. that they would like

2:01

a different type of Republican, the kind of

2:03

Republican they grew up with. What

2:06

she's doing is highlighting the challenge

2:08

Trump has long had, which is

2:10

suburban white college

2:13

educated voters, especially women, are

2:15

his real Achilles heel.

2:17

And he has done nothing between 2020

2:19

and today to

2:22

win them back. But that

2:24

doesn't mean that he's going to

2:26

lose more of them than

2:28

he did in 2020. And that to me is

2:30

the big question. It's not so much, is he going

2:32

to lose these, many of these voters? Of course. But

2:35

is it going to be worse than

2:37

where he was four years

2:40

ago? And that's the

2:42

real issue instead, is that the primaries can't

2:44

really tell us that. We're

2:46

only going to know as we get deeper into

2:50

the election year and see

2:52

if there are indeed Nikki

2:55

Haley voters who were two time Trump

2:57

voters who say today, you

2:59

know what? I just can't go

3:01

a third round. What

3:03

about on the Democratic side? When you look

3:05

at the landscape of either the early primaries

3:08

that we've seen or the polling numbers

3:10

that we've seen, I'm curious of what your

3:12

kind of temperature check-ins on just

3:14

how much trouble Biden is in, or

3:16

is some of this a freak out

3:19

with lack of evidence? Right.

3:22

There's definitely a reason to

3:24

be worried or freaked out,

3:27

the term is if you're in the

3:29

Biden camp, because it's pretty clear that

3:31

there is a significant group of voters

3:33

who are not yet sold on Donald

3:35

Trump, but who really

3:37

aren't into Joe Biden either. These

3:40

may be voters who voted against Trump in

3:42

the last two elections, or maybe

3:44

they're voters that haven't been particularly involved

3:46

in politics yet. Maybe they were too

3:48

young to vote in 2020, for example,

3:52

but they just are not, even

3:54

though they may not, as I said, vote for Trump,

3:57

they're not voting for Biden. But The

3:59

other piece too, Matt in A

4:01

one of the things that Biden

4:03

had going for him in Twenty

4:06

Twenty was this idea that. For

4:08

voters who identify themselves as independents

4:11

are may be more moderate centrist

4:13

types that he was going to

4:15

be the better candidate for them.

4:18

And now those voters. And then

4:20

again, if you look at the

4:22

polling, which I think right now

4:25

is too much too early, but

4:27

he's not doing particularly well with

4:29

independent voters, Trump is doing much,

4:32

much better. There's clearly been a

4:34

Roseanne with voters of color, both

4:36

Latino voters and black voters. And

4:39

so how real is that? How

4:41

significant is that? Just as

4:43

I said again, we can't know

4:46

from these primaries alone, because I

4:48

think so much of the erosion

4:51

is among the kinds of voters

4:53

who are not particularly. Engaged.

4:56

In politics? Yup, Yup, certainly not this

4:58

far out, just that's a great point.

5:00

I mean we hear this consistently. I

5:02

remember when we talk to Make Home.

5:04

He made this point that the people

5:06

that the evidence is pointing to that

5:08

Biden is having the most trouble with

5:10

her could be the potential vulnerabilities for

5:12

November or said with different group of

5:14

people than who are deeply involved and

5:17

primary critically this primary with seems even

5:19

like less engage them previous ones were

5:21

simply talking about a difference slice of

5:23

pie. That's right, I guess with that

5:25

landscape. We really wanted to have you

5:27

help us kind of understand be non

5:29

top of the take it all races

5:31

and specifically loves as some of the

5:33

races that are happening on Super Tuesday

5:35

to the can be a big picture

5:37

on how things are shaping up when

5:39

it comes to the race for House

5:41

and Senate control. Sure, we

5:43

can start with the Senate because

5:45

that's one where the math and

5:48

the map really work against the

5:50

democrat. If you look at than

5:52

just a number of seats that

5:54

are up, the democrats have to

5:56

defend twenty three seats republicans dispense,

5:59

but it's. More than that, it's

6:01

the kinds of seats they have to

6:03

defend. So the we have the seeds

6:05

of those twenty three. Are.

6:07

States that. Trump carried in

6:09

twenty Twenty so: West Virginia,

6:12

Ohio, Montana, Obviously in West

6:14

Virginia, Joe Manchin has announced that

6:16

he's retiring truck that is a

6:18

seat that Republicans are almost guaranteed

6:20

to win. By same as an

6:23

automatically that's right for that are

6:25

so. In a state that

6:27

from carried by like forty points, yeah,

6:29

I think that the pretty easy thing

6:31

to say, but. That also means

6:33

that we should think about this election

6:36

going into twenty twenty four, that the

6:38

Senate is sixty sixty, And in that.

6:41

Scenario. It means that

6:43

if Trump wins, the senate is

6:45

already republican. The only

6:47

way the senate stays democratic is

6:49

if Biden wins and they don't

6:51

lose anything. Didn't lose: Montana, Ohio,

6:53

Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, all those

6:55

states they have to defend now

6:57

they can that? Not saying they're

6:59

going to lose all of those,

7:01

but to save gotta win every

7:03

single want you can afford to

7:05

lose any of those. That is

7:08

a. Very very difficult thing. Civil

7:10

Rights? Me to sweep both all of

7:12

a competitive races. And when the White

7:14

House yeah, because the receipt they're almost

7:16

guaranteed to lose in West Virginia means

7:18

are almost inevitably looking at a Fifty

7:20

fifty Senate in the best case scenario

7:22

for Democrats? Ogre. Yeah, So that's

7:24

the Senate and on Super Tuesday

7:26

we're going have an answer. In

7:29

a state that's not exactly his

7:31

onset competitive Less and less California.

7:33

this is primary. That is really

7:35

about the question of which kind

7:38

of democrat is gonna come. To

7:40

Washington, not so much. Will republicans flip this

7:42

state Rex that we're not. To me, many

7:44

of the answers to the divorces are in

7:47

the primary season right now, but there are

7:49

some states that are having kind of inter

7:51

compared to the battles one being California, one.

7:53

been california where the big

7:56

question right now is will

7:58

the to top two candidates,

8:01

because this is how California's primary

8:03

works, the two top vote-getters go

8:05

on to face each other in

8:08

November, will those top two

8:10

vote-getters be two Democrats, or will it

8:12

be a Democrat and a Republican? Two

8:15

leading candidates for Senate, two

8:17

very different visions for California.

8:19

Steve Garvey, the leading Republican,

8:21

is too conservative for California.

8:23

He voted for Trump twice

8:25

and supported Republicans for years,

8:28

including far-right conservatives. Adam Schiff,

8:30

the leading Democrat, descended democracy

8:32

against Trump and the insurrectionists.

8:35

Right now I think everybody agrees, and

8:37

the polls say the same, that Adam

8:39

Schiff, congressman from the Los Angeles area,

8:42

is the front-runner here, and is pretty

8:44

much guaranteed a spot in the runoff. The question

8:47

is whether a Republican, Steve Garvey,

8:49

former, for those of us who grew up

8:51

in the 70s and 80s, remember

8:53

him as the Los Angeles

8:56

Dodgers star? Mm-hmm. They

8:58

called Claire. I've decided to get

9:00

off the bench, to suit up again, and

9:03

get back in the game. And now

9:05

for me the ultimate challenge, to

9:07

change your life for the better by being

9:10

a U.S. senator. Go to stevegarvey.com. If you

9:12

did not, then no, you probably don't know who

9:14

he is, but as a child

9:16

of the 80s, I do remember him.

9:19

Or he will face Schiff, that

9:21

is, will face Katie Porter from

9:24

Orange County, who comes from the

9:27

Elizabeth Warren wing of the party. Washington,

9:29

the U.S. is drowning in Wall

9:31

Street money and big pharma lobbyists.

9:33

Katie Porter says, in time

9:36

to shake the Senate. Schiff,

9:38

of course, made his name with the

9:41

impeachment proceedings, the very first impeachment of

9:43

Donald Trump. And that helped him, you

9:46

know, in a state that is really expensive and

9:48

really hard to get known, that

9:50

got him a lot of name ID and also helped

9:52

him raise a ton of money. Yeah, yeah.

9:55

What About the House? How Is the

9:57

race shaping up when it comes to...

10:00

Control of the House in November. That.

10:02

Thing is just an absolute toss

10:04

up. I think the easiest way

10:06

to think about it is Republicans

10:09

have five seat majority, and there

10:11

are about twenty five seats that

10:13

we consider to be the most

10:16

competitive, pretty evenly divided between the

10:18

two. Parties. And

10:20

sofort democrats to when. They.

10:23

Need to win something like

10:25

sixty five, seventy years percent

10:27

of the closest races in

10:29

order to just narrowly take

10:31

control of the house? That's

10:33

possible. But again, it's not

10:35

like, oh, they only need

10:37

five seats. How hard can

10:39

that pages. Yeah, get outside for a

10:41

be so much of like talk about

10:43

republican slim majority their mouths, retirements but

10:45

enough and even democrats feeling good at

10:48

their prospects of the house by hear

10:50

you saying like they still need to

10:52

have a good election night even get

10:54

with marrow with the margins. Exactly, they

10:56

really do, because. Yes,

10:58

they have a lot of

11:00

target namely republicans who sit

11:03

in. This. Or said

11:05

biden period. But they've got their

11:07

own vulnerable incumbents, some of whom

11:09

sit. In district said Trump

11:11

carried and Twenty Twenty and then

11:13

redistricting in North Carolina, which basically

11:15

drew three democrats out of their

11:17

seats. So the house is really

11:20

a battle of inches more than

11:22

anything else. It feels if we're

11:24

playing a football game that is

11:26

literally just between the end zone

11:28

and the five yard line. It's

11:30

literally who can grind their way

11:32

to those few seats that they

11:34

need to be in the majority

11:37

and. You. Know likely not a

11:39

very big majority. At that you know One

11:41

thing that really comes through and are reporting

11:43

is that people really don't like their options.

11:45

The top of the take it with that

11:47

some one big thing we hear whether on

11:49

the road or from listeners it's like why

11:51

do we have these options and like. that

11:53

they bombed them out about the

11:55

prospects of are both in november

11:57

when we think about turn out

12:00

for this year or when we

12:02

think about people's level of engagement or

12:04

investment in the race, is there any

12:06

signs about whether this was going

12:08

to be like a robustly participated in the election?

12:10

Because in some ways, I feel like people are

12:12

checked out, but I also think that we had

12:15

big engagement in 2022 and we have big engagement

12:17

in 2020. How should I

12:19

weigh those things? Gosh, I'm with

12:21

you on that, Estetta. I'm

12:23

very torn about that because you're right. On the one

12:25

hand, if you just look at

12:27

the data that says people are really

12:29

dispirited with their choices, they

12:32

are so disappointed in a Congress

12:34

that it looks more and more

12:36

dysfunctional every day. They are

12:38

tuning out of the news. We're seeing more

12:40

and more evidence of this. And

12:43

so this idea of like, I don't want

12:45

to participate. I don't know that that is

12:47

really what's going on. And certainly by the

12:49

time we get to November, because I

12:52

think much like 2020, the

12:55

stakes of the election for both

12:57

sides are going to be very,

12:59

very clear and be broadcast over

13:02

and over again, that there are

13:04

not subtle differences between these candidates.

13:07

There are pretty significant differences

13:09

between Joe Biden and Donald

13:12

Trump and what their agenda

13:14

will be for the next

13:17

four years. So it seems

13:19

to me that those things are going

13:21

to be critically important. I mean,

13:24

remember that, you know, at this

13:26

time in 2022, it was like, man,

13:28

Democrats are going to get crushed in the

13:30

midterms. Yeah, absolutely. They have no enthusiasm, right?

13:33

No one wants to turn out. People

13:35

are checked out. The economy is bad,

13:38

etc., etc. And then, of course, the

13:40

jobs decision comes out and that changes everything.

13:42

But even then, we couldn't

13:45

really measure how important

13:48

that issue of abortion was, in

13:51

the sense that you still in the polls,

13:53

you would see people responding

13:55

that, yes, the issue of abortion

13:57

rights is important, but I'm really, really, really, really,

13:59

really, really concerned about the economy. Or, yeah, I'm

14:03

concerned about abortion rights, but I

14:05

also think Biden's doing a terrible

14:07

job. And so I think those

14:09

crosscurrents are going to still,

14:11

they're going to be there. And

14:14

maybe we are living in a

14:16

moment where voters are going to

14:18

have to sort of adjust

14:20

their expectations in

14:22

terms of each of these

14:25

elections is incredibly consequential, even

14:28

if the candidates themselves are

14:30

not appealing. Yeah, I think you really

14:32

helped us understand that phenomenon. In 2022,

14:34

you made a kind of

14:37

specific reference to the type of voters who

14:39

I remember you calling med voters, right? Like

14:41

I remember the explanation that some people can

14:44

express displeasure with the president or express

14:46

displeasure with the party and still actually

14:48

come out. It's like hard for me

14:50

to think that if we actually have

14:52

an election where whether Donald Trump goes

14:54

to jail or not, it's like basically

14:56

up to whether that president that people

14:58

are going to not care about that.

15:00

Like it's hard for me to actually

15:03

agree completely. I've taken

15:05

to using the Green

15:08

Day song of wake me up when September

15:10

ends as my motto for this year. But

15:12

I do think that's where a lot of

15:14

voters are like, I'll check back

15:16

in tell me when it's October and

15:18

I'll check in, you know, outside

15:20

of the candidates who were, you know,

15:22

as we're talking about, a lot of

15:25

people don't find all that inspiring. What

15:27

are the themes or policies or issues

15:29

that you think are going to

15:31

be what the election's about? Is there any

15:33

hints if you look at the Super Tuesday

15:35

landscape or even some of the races that

15:38

we've seen so far about whether some of

15:40

the defining themes that could really be where

15:42

November is won or lost on? Yeah,

15:45

I think, unfortunately, the primaries don't

15:47

give us a great insight into that.

15:49

What I do think they tell us

15:51

a lot about though, is especially on

15:53

the Republican side, where so many of

15:55

these primaries are happening in

15:57

states like North Carolina, where they redrew

15:59

the map and so we

16:01

have a number of open

16:03

very Republican districts that will get a

16:06

new member and So

16:08

you're seeing it there and in some of these

16:11

other states that have primaries the top

16:13

issue Which shouldn't be surprising to

16:15

anybody who follows politics is Immigration

16:19

I'm running for Congress because with Joe

16:21

Biden's open border the criminals walk right

16:23

in I think Every

16:25

single ad that I've watched and every one of

16:27

these races Mentions immigration.

16:30

Yeah, Joe Biden and

16:32

Democrats have turned our border over

16:34

to cartels and the woke left-wing

16:36

mob America is crumbling and being

16:38

invaded under Joe Biden Joe Biden

16:40

broke our border our economy our

16:42

spirits And I will fight for

16:44

a secure border and then the

16:47

next most popular Term

16:49

is Trump Bo Hines and

16:52

President Trump will get us back

16:54

on track Trump and buck out

16:56

together They'll beat sleepy Joe. I'm

16:58

standing with Addison McDowell the only

17:00

candidate in the race That's endorsed

17:02

by Donald Trump vote Sandy Smith

17:04

and President Trump by marks fifth

17:06

to save America And

17:10

pass an issue And

17:12

Trump as an endorser and then Trump

17:15

as I will stand with him or

17:17

my opponent hasn't been as supportive

17:20

of Donald Trump, you

17:22

know thinking back to 2017 and

17:26

what the Congress looked like

17:28

the Republican Congress looked like then

17:30

and What Donald Trump

17:33

was sort of up against in terms

17:35

of the quote-unquote now We think of it as the

17:37

old guard of the Republican

17:39

Party, but the more the pre-Trumpian

17:42

Republican Party just in

17:44

the last six years that

17:46

party has been completely transformed and

17:49

When I look at these primaries and

17:51

the people who again the win these

17:53

primaries are coming to Washington in November

17:56

because their districts are So Republican they

17:58

won't have a serious challenge

18:01

in November, they're going

18:03

to look a lot more like Donald Trump. And

18:06

if he wins reelection, it means

18:08

that the Congress, there are very

18:11

few speed bumps in the way

18:13

that there were for him in 2017. So

18:16

that makes for a Congress

18:19

that is going to be much

18:22

easier for Donald Trump to get

18:24

anything, not anything through, but he

18:26

will have an easier time. Let's put it that way.

18:28

Or harder for Joe Biden in the second term. Well,

18:30

that's another great way to think about it, exactly, which is

18:32

the folks who are coming in right now are not running

18:35

on. You know what would be so great is if we

18:37

did some more compromising. Let's

18:40

work with the other side. Yeah, yeah.

18:43

Let's look at some Super Tuesday specific

18:45

races. You know, there's been some

18:47

that we looked at. You mentioned North Carolina,

18:49

the first district there. There's a couple in

18:51

California, California in 22, California in 47, some

18:53

of those places where the House races might

18:55

be won or lost. But there's also some

18:57

important governors races. I'm thinking about

19:00

North Carolina again, which has going to be what's a

19:02

closely watched one. If you look at

19:04

something that's going down literally today as or as

19:06

folks are listening to this, what would be a

19:08

race that you point to and

19:10

say that's one to have my eye on? Yeah,

19:13

I am looking at the

19:15

North Carolina district. It's

19:18

the first district. It's a

19:20

Democratic held district, but it is

19:23

very swingy and was made even

19:25

a little bit tougher in redistricting.

19:28

The candidate that comes out of that primary

19:30

is going to matter a lot on the

19:32

Republican side. The two time

19:35

losing candidate, her last name Smith,

19:38

if she wins there, that probably makes

19:40

again, doesn't take it off the table,

19:43

but it may give the

19:45

Democrat there, the Congress, the Democratic

19:47

Congressman there a better opportunity to

19:49

hold on. Then if he gets

19:51

a new challenger who is not

19:53

quite as burdened, let's say, with

19:56

a lot of political problems like this

19:58

former candidate. In other words

20:01

if we're talking about the house as being a battle

20:03

of inches then this is One

20:06

of those inches there, right? I

20:09

also like it instead of this is my East Coast

20:11

bias showing because I Don't

20:13

have to stay up late and then

20:15

you have the you pointed out the governor's

20:17

race, which is also really interesting you

20:20

know, North Carolina is sort of

20:22

like the Charlie and the football for Democrats

20:25

they come so close at the federal

20:27

level and yet Never

20:30

seem to score that Goal

20:33

or that field goal or whatever what Georgia

20:35

used to be for them. Yeah, exactly

20:37

exactly and You

20:40

know the opportunity here for Republicans

20:42

to pick up the governor seat

20:44

It's pretty high, you know, you've

20:46

had a Democratic governor for two

20:48

terms again. You've got the legislature

20:50

that is Super

20:52

majority Republican you've got

20:55

two Republican senators right now The

20:57

polling suggests that while it's competitive

20:59

Trump's he's I saw a poll

21:01

recently He was right around 50% and yet Republicans

21:06

are likely to nominate a

21:08

candidate very very far

21:11

to the right who will fit

21:13

into that same category that we

21:15

saw in 2022 with Kerry Lake

21:17

from Arizona and the

21:20

candidate in Pennsylvania

21:22

who was very much

21:24

to the right on social issues

21:26

cultural issues and that's where this

21:28

candidate Mark Robinson is everything

21:32

from Abortion

21:35

to gay rights to

21:37

the Holocaust. I mean it's pretty

21:39

dramatic About

21:50

Any of that and yes This

21:57

isn't just oh, this is

22:00

a Trump Trump-like candidate. God

22:02

formed me because he knew there was going to be a time

22:05

when God's learning was going to be

22:07

intolerable to the wicked, when

22:09

children were going to be dragged down to

22:11

go see the drag show. You

22:14

know, this has been the challenge in the

22:16

era of Trump, right, which is state parties

22:20

or primary voters who

22:22

want to see candidates who

22:25

aren't necessarily built for

22:27

a swing state. They want a

22:29

candidate that's built for a red

22:32

state who's going to be a fighter

22:34

for values of, you know,

22:36

cultural and otherwise conservative or

22:39

Trump conservative voters. But that's

22:42

not the state. Yeah. I

22:44

mean, the candidate you're referring to, Mark Robinson,

22:47

is a good example of this type of

22:49

phenomenon in the Trump era. As

22:51

we had in 2022, there are

22:53

candidates who have kind of fashioned

22:56

themselves as the tell

22:58

it like it is straight shooter

23:00

grievance driven, politically incorrect style, MAGA

23:02

candidates. And this guy's really at

23:04

the top of the list. He

23:06

has called the Holocaust hogwash in

23:08

a Facebook post. He has,

23:11

you know, been completely out of step,

23:13

even on issues like abortion and

23:15

denying the last election. I

23:17

mean, when you look

23:19

at the landscape of Republican candidates,

23:22

is it feeling as I don't

23:24

have a better word as Trumpy as the 2022

23:27

slate was? I

23:29

mean, that famously failed, right? Like

23:31

you would think that in a

23:33

competitive race, like a North Carolina

23:35

governor's race, like we would

23:37

not be back here with the same type

23:39

of candidate. Exactly. That you

23:41

would say, I don't know, I kind of feel like

23:44

we've seen this movie before, but it

23:47

seems to me that that

23:49

is not really if the

23:51

priority is the fight, then

23:53

winning isn't necessarily

23:57

what you're always aiming for. That's

24:00

really not really the main event that. That

24:02

the site is what you want

24:04

and the fight is for something

24:06

bigger and more. I. Guess existential

24:09

than just did we win this

24:11

last election and this I think

24:13

it it. It also speaks to

24:16

this a d and that. The.

24:19

Bubbles the case and maybe of

24:21

our party right that each of

24:23

them are speaking only to the

24:25

groups that they are most closely

24:27

aligned with as opposed to understanding

24:29

that in a state that is

24:31

purple, you got to be able

24:33

to. Win over independent voters.

24:35

You can't just get your

24:37

base. Is. Is fascinating. Those

24:39

said, because it just as we discussed how

24:41

close the race for the house will be,

24:44

we're. Pretty. Sure that the. Presidential.

24:46

Race. Also gonna come down to just

24:49

like right few thousand votes here and

24:51

there if you're always just a few

24:53

thousand votes from winning. Then

24:55

it makes it really hard for used

24:57

to take a good honest looks in

25:00

the mirror and say maybe we should

25:02

change. The way we

25:04

do things right when you're polarization. The

25:06

thoughts were if it's forty nine, fifty

25:08

one every time, right? Like. It's.

25:10

Hard to get that ship to change

25:12

courses that Wrexham says. He say will

25:15

next year it can be the other

25:17

way round. We can give sixties and

25:19

veto the times when the parties have

25:22

really sort of gotten themselves back on

25:24

track is when they got walloped riot

25:26

like losing of Lax and after election

25:28

not just by like a point or

25:31

two but light. Oh see the good

25:33

democrats throughout the eighties and the presidential

25:35

elections there were they are just getting

25:37

wiped out. That's when you say okay

25:40

what we're doing isn't working but if

25:42

we still live in an. Era where

25:44

you're just counseling going back and forth about who

25:46

as the White House and who has The House.

25:49

and maybe the Center's up for grabs here in

25:51

their well. And he doesn't

25:53

give you much incentive to change. you

25:56

know when people wake up on wednesday morning

25:58

what should they be looking for What

26:00

should be the first place they look to on the

26:02

map? Hmm. That's a very

26:04

good question. I think what we will

26:06

be curious to see is at the

26:08

presidential level did Donald Trump

26:11

put numbers on the map even in

26:13

states and in places where a

26:16

Nikki Haley on paper

26:18

would do well? To me what

26:20

that suggests is that whatever energy

26:22

there is or was for

26:25

a Nikki Haley to keep up this

26:27

fight that that has pretty much gone

26:30

away. So I'll be

26:33

curious to see that because you know we

26:36

have places like Massachusetts and Vermont and

26:38

Virginia. So I'm here in northern

26:41

Virginia. I am very curious to

26:43

see what turnout looks like here.

26:45

This is a state that notably

26:48

has been shifting more

26:51

and more from even purple to blue.

26:54

But what if Trump is doing

26:56

really really well here? To me

26:59

that suggests that as I said

27:01

that whatever energy there was behind sort

27:03

of sending a message to Trump or

27:05

supporting Nikki Haley has gone. And

27:07

then as I said I would like

27:09

to think we'll have an answer in

27:11

California for the Senate race. I don't

27:14

know that we will. And in

27:16

these House races in these primaries

27:18

the kinds of candidates that came

27:21

out is going to tell us

27:23

a story of were

27:26

any of the candidates who

27:28

did not style themselves in

27:31

the House Freedom

27:33

Caucus mold or who

27:36

were say backed by

27:38

more quote unquote establishment

27:41

types make it through. Thank

27:46

you so much Amy. I appreciate your time. Yeah

27:48

thanks Ted. That's

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