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Yeah god it's just a mumps keep

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flying by. I now I can't wait

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we're in the countdown to the Gotta

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The Met Gala Guess The Mail Dollar

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Leaguers, Nema the home we got ya

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gotta with with yes people in better

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tune in Brighton early Tuesday. Morning.

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For the only recap of the gala

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and what happens inside the museum and

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were taping inside the museum. yeah we

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are. I'm barracks. I am quite shocked

1:00

that we able to pull that off

1:02

air. It's a hero care and I

1:04

think it's gonna be amazing So everyone

1:06

to net Vietnam! I'm super excited. Now.

1:08

Today we have American and British Vogue

1:11

alarm an editor plum sakes and she

1:13

is delightfully reflecting on some of her

1:15

favorite make our memories. It was very

1:17

different back then and co my I

1:20

love that you worked with yeah I'm

1:22

early on when you want to do

1:24

with i work for when I was

1:27

like for how distances system basically old

1:29

fashioned ways you'd end up. Having.

1:31

To be the assistant to the country

1:33

being at is so close you are

1:36

working on a mark will get as

1:38

a fashion writer exactly and me and

1:40

my colleague Esther Adams so we split.

1:42

We split up the editors so I

1:45

had Ceremonial who is still our chief

1:47

critic and so I looked after travel

1:49

and and I salute of the plum

1:51

So you are book and plums flight

1:53

hours for confirms rise Yes well and

1:56

here we are down here we are.

1:58

She's fab! Love her. loved

2:00

her. Oh she really makes me

2:02

laugh. I know right?

2:06

But before we get to Plum, I

2:08

want to hear about what Choma's Week in

2:10

New York is like. Oh my gosh yeah,

2:12

I arrived on Monday, touched

2:15

down and flew and zipped straight

2:17

over to the Upper East Side and

2:20

to Ralph Lauren's show that evening. So Choma tell

2:22

me about the show because I feel like people

2:24

are excited about it. It was quite an intimate

2:26

show. It was showing the Fall 2024

2:30

collection, which everyone

2:32

seems to just be doing their own calendar

2:34

if they feel like it nowadays. Why now?

2:36

I mean I guess

2:39

fashion is topsy-turvy, the seasons

2:41

are topsy-turvy and I

2:43

think it's a nice prelude to the Met. It

2:46

felt really civilized. It felt so

2:48

intimate and I think it was the

2:50

smallest show I've ever been to. Oh wow.

2:52

Yeah, I mean there were maybe a hundred

2:54

people there and you could tell it how

2:57

small it was because there was actually no

2:59

one aside from the guests in the room.

3:01

Any fun celebs? Oh yeah, there were plenty

3:03

of fun celebs. Jessica Chastain was there, Glenn

3:05

Close was there, Kerry Washington was there and

3:07

then what was really nice was that there

3:09

was a dinner at the polar bar afterwards

3:12

and most people went to it. Okay. And

3:14

then the models all came and sat down

3:16

with us too. Oh fun. Still in their

3:18

awesome looks. Oh that's so smart. He's so

3:20

good at that kind of thing. Because then

3:22

it just feels real, right? Because just seeing

3:24

women out in the world wearing the clothes

3:27

and they just look so effortless in the

3:29

clothing and I thought it was actually

3:31

one of my favorite Ralph collections in a long

3:34

time. It was very true to him. Okay. And

3:37

Anok Yoy at the end. I'm sorry,

3:39

just heaven. And didn't Chrissy Turlington open?

3:41

Chrissy Turlington opened and it was funny

3:44

because I was having a conversation with

3:46

Sam Sussman who's our global

3:49

social media director and she

3:51

was going backstage talking to

3:53

all the models about their

3:55

first Ralph memories and apparently

3:57

Chrissy Turlington, Ralph

3:59

spotted. Hi in an elevator? What's yes,

4:01

going to another brand? I imagine it was

4:03

Calvin Klein with his are all in the

4:06

same routing. At the time it was like

4:08

Calvin, Donna Karan and Ralph Lauren all in

4:10

the same building a my ties so he

4:12

got his. Diesel. Scout Eminem in

4:14

and in an elevator was of those going on

4:17

here. We. Are and who we are. On

4:19

Channel. What are you gonna do when you're

4:22

in New York to take care of yourself?

4:24

After lots of traveling, Good

4:28

question. What's the naughty by nature wellness

4:30

routine Words: Malaysian A is is guides

4:32

of my favorite vintage stores. And yeah,

4:34

not much Raz yeah what is your

4:36

right offing sobbing route gonna be when

4:38

you're here? I'd definitely like to make

4:40

a stop at James for Loria my

4:42

best friend request coming to town with

4:45

in A and as a shop called

4:47

Entourage. Which is all like floral

4:49

and herbal as. Like oils and

4:51

guys and they have the best jazz.

4:53

I love sour Jasmine in the windmills.

4:55

The we make our own. Jasmine.

4:58

Oil in used. Shahbaz. Oh.

5:00

And needs a lang Lang and was

5:02

speaking of Santa Bella Hadid had her

5:05

big savings launched. What? Yeah, I would

5:07

be disciplined. Lds was not an answer.

5:09

No lottery different wines. One is called

5:12

the Salty Muse beat. See I mean

5:14

she does like supposed to be Some

5:16

make sense. Cm. I don't know.

5:18

I haven't I've not yet. Whist Imagine

5:20

the one is. Quite horsey. An.

5:24

Equine Sand bitcoin said.

5:27

The suspect. We

5:29

also finally announced our light stream

5:31

hosts on Moses We I miss

5:33

That guy sees as our allies

5:35

headlines that show me not I.

5:38

Seriously. So we have the

5:40

wonderful Gwendolyn Christie Us center all obsessed

5:42

with at Post Marcela and as marketed

5:44

he likes to say she's a rare

5:47

bird who overlaps the Venn diagram between

5:49

people who like Marjah like a tour

5:51

and people who like Game of Thrones.

5:53

Oh my ghost early hits the nail

5:55

for at all group said his show

5:57

mack. And

6:01

Lala Anthony is going on. I

6:03

love Lala and sadly Graham is joining

6:05

Gwendolyn. So Farm and M of Chamberlain

6:07

will be doing a free to observe.

6:10

Were all very excited! Such a great

6:12

roster. Christian. And Jose

6:14

just did a really fun quiz on

6:16

what met seem you are. Of a

6:19

guy. were really encourage. I'd probably take as

6:21

I'm. Heavenly Body. How are you? India is

6:23

a How many? How many are there. Good.

6:26

Question pry like. A. Oh

6:28

great. I've only heard of people getting camper heavenly

6:30

bodies navarro. I don't know what that says about

6:32

our hundred. and

6:34

then as it is clear the hallway another quiz me

6:37

up. Now till it you and says what you're

6:39

wearing. Oh yeah, I'm

6:41

wearing Burberry so I'm having of

6:43

a final thing tomorrow with the

6:46

creators of Buggery these annually and

6:48

I'm obsessive. My look? Oh yeah

6:50

but I'm really just give us

6:53

loveliness one club? Nope. With.

6:55

A joke about this author's. Note:

6:58

Know giveaways. Is

7:01

is very me and. Yeah. I

7:03

love it! I can't wait I am sitting with

7:05

H and M. I just went to my final

7:07

fitting and I got to see all the lox

7:09

that they have. They have an amazing very stack

7:11

table and it's a really high seas itself to

7:14

see how people are interpreting the seen as here

7:16

because it is so confusing see that no one

7:18

really knows what to see the so they're like

7:20

is it time? is it Betting? Is it flowers

7:22

isn't anything in a garden and so I really

7:24

think people are going many different direction. I think

7:26

I predict a lot on the view is either

7:29

liquid and as he alors. Long. Hair.

7:31

Minute. the sleeping beauty things are white

7:33

and fairy tales the we're also going

7:35

after x yeah so it's it's a

7:38

popery quite literally of us the suffered

7:40

says that it's it's it's it's all

7:42

i will say about my luck is

7:44

that i am leaning into a bug

7:46

seem so i love i love will

7:48

you have some didn't luxury it's true

7:51

i know i a as a d

7:53

love a bug and you know in

7:55

in omar to be cicada cluster that's

7:57

coming and that us oh no there

7:59

is I hope I leave before

8:01

they arrive. Yes, for the summer. Oh,

8:03

OK. But it's like the biggest cicada

8:05

invasion in many, many. Is

8:08

it worse than those red bugs that we had last

8:10

year? Yes. What were they called again?

8:12

Lantern flies. Those are around always. Yeah. Those

8:15

are such a New York thing. I hate them. I

8:17

was once sitting at a Michael Kalls show, and it

8:19

was just I was watching one crawl up the

8:21

leg of every person. And I was like, it's

8:23

coming for me. Well,

8:26

this is also the

8:28

cockroach on the Met red carpet. Yeah. Got it. God,

8:30

it's going to be a lantern fly, isn't it, this

8:33

year? There you go. Or a cicada. Yeah. Well, there'll

8:35

be lots of bugs on the carpet this year. Yes. Starting

8:38

with your own look. Real and

8:40

jewel. Real and jeweled. Love a jeweled

8:43

bug. Choma, I haven't seen challenges yet,

8:45

but my god is everyone talking about

8:47

it. Oh, my god. It's so good. Listen, not

8:49

to shame you. I only just watch Zone of

8:51

Interest. OK, there you go. Catching

8:54

up. You haven't seen poor things. But

8:58

no, challenges is great. I could see Oscar

9:00

potential there. I love how well people have

9:03

responded to the fashion. It's become such a

9:05

fashion moment. I know. The challengers. I mean,

9:07

the fashion in the film is what it's

9:09

not. It's not like fantastical. I mean, it

9:11

is what it's supposed to be. No, but

9:13

apparently Jonathan Anderson, who did the costumes, like

9:16

nailed it. And there's great sort of details.

9:19

Like the main character played by Zendaya is

9:21

a weirdo. Carche Poncere. Oh,

9:23

yeah, it's very. Pendant. And it's just sort of

9:25

all the details really are on point. Yeah.

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we're back! So we

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were considering who to have on the week before

10:23

the Met Gala and we both immediately

10:25

thought of Plum because to me

10:28

she so embodies this glamour

10:30

of yesteryear at Vogue. And

10:32

I was also reminded of her because she's recently

10:34

become famous on TikTok for saying that at

10:37

Vogue we wear Dolce & Gabbana to work.

10:40

I know I mean Plum and her sister were

10:42

just like I think maybe we can use the

10:44

word it girl for that because they clearly were

10:46

it girls of the late 90s in the early

10:48

2000s. And I just kind of think

10:50

she still has that charm. I mean she's such a

10:52

hoot. She's such a hoot and Plum

10:55

started out as an assistant to British Vogue

10:57

editor Isabella Blow and then eventually made her

10:59

way across the pond to American Vogue where

11:01

she was a revered writer

11:03

and gal about town. And

11:06

she also has a brief had a

11:08

brief modeling career that we get

11:10

to touch on which was really fun to hear about. I'd

11:12

never heard her talk about that before. She's

11:14

attended the Met so many times and

11:16

long before it was like the

11:19

big event there is today. You

11:21

know I loved hearing those stories of Anna

11:23

just being like Plum fill a table. I

11:26

know. Like didn't you imagine? No. Besides her

11:28

Met Gala stories which were absolutely amazing. I

11:30

can't wait for you to hear them. She

11:32

actually has an amazing new book out and

11:35

we wanted to talk to her about it.

11:37

It's called Wives Like Us and

11:39

she describes it as a social comedy about rich

11:41

wives in the Cotswolds. It's kind of

11:43

a little bit Cinderella, a little bit satire and a

11:45

lot of glamour but you've read it and I'm still

11:47

I need to read it and I can't wait to

11:49

read it. It's so fun. It's just a delight and

11:52

I have to say like I'm not reading a lot

11:54

these days because I feel like by the time I

11:57

get in bed I pass out. But this I

11:59

just blew through. and it was really

12:01

a delight. And

12:04

I recommend that as an extremely digestible... I

12:06

cannot wait to read it on the play

12:08

home. I'm just saving it for the play

12:11

home. Very excited for you guys to hear

12:13

this. First

12:17

of all, I feel like we should introduce

12:20

Plum, because to us, Plum is a first-name

12:22

character, but Plum Sykes,

12:24

inimitable Vogue writer, a legend at

12:26

American Vogue. And I'm a British

12:29

Vogue, too. But, Choma, how

12:31

would you introduce Plum? Because I feel like

12:33

recently, Choma and I were like, oh, we

12:35

want to have Plum on. And Choma reminded

12:37

me that when she started at Vogue 15

12:39

years ago, she was in charge

12:41

of booking your travel. And that you were

12:43

always so gracious and thoughtful, and that's really

12:45

the biggest test of character, I have to

12:47

say. If young Choma booking your travel

12:49

has good things to say. And look at her now.

12:52

Look where it got her, editor of British Vogue. See?

12:55

Book my travel, you never know what's going to happen.

12:58

Well, I just think it was so

13:00

funny, because Plum was always a writer that was brought

13:02

in to make people laugh, to

13:05

bring perspective, to bring character, and

13:07

to bring something sparkling to you.

13:09

Humor? Humor. Yeah, which

13:11

is really a tough kind of tall

13:13

order in the fashion world. There's

13:16

just not few rare voices like yours. I

13:18

mean, I think what I always say about

13:21

the fashion writing particularly, but I think it

13:23

goes into novel writing as well, is that

13:25

the difference between me and the other writers,

13:27

and maybe this is useful for aspiring fashion

13:29

writers, I don't know, is that I was

13:31

never a very good reviewer, right?

13:34

But what I was always interested in was the dress,

13:36

but it was the girl in the dress. And

13:39

then once you start talking to the girl in the dress, all

13:42

these stories come out, and often actually,

13:44

you can get people to be

13:46

unintentionally funny when you

13:49

start asking them about their clothes, because they do

13:51

not feel invaded in the way that

13:53

if you start asking them personal questions. So

13:56

I always found that fashion was a way into

13:58

people, like some of the real things, Really

14:00

really famous people. I've interviewed on member

14:02

and think when Outrage and I got

14:04

this question. which I actually sort

14:06

of cc many cheap right for

14:09

hims now always now in a

14:11

minute a secret hold of my

14:13

secret list of fastened few questions

14:15

as to asked if you ask

14:17

anyone ever famous they are or

14:19

on famous what is your first

14:21

memory assassin or placing. Right? They

14:23

go back to being two or three years old

14:25

and a member. I asked us to glance

14:27

and she said Mrs Pak Dungarees that my father

14:30

gave me as very very close to her father

14:32

and he immediately started talking about her father

14:34

and it was so real and so. Human

14:36

answer? Interesting. Now if I said

14:39

oh, tell me about your father or tell

14:41

me about your boyfriend he knew want status

14:43

com often freeze because it feels like an

14:45

invasion of their privacy, setting fashion as an

14:47

amazing way in and then only. Sheila.

14:50

Side of it. I just think.

14:53

I didn't take awesome very seriously because at the

14:56

end of the day or night it's all a

14:58

bit of a joke. but I like the readers

15:00

to mates are likely to make the read feel

15:02

that that in on the joke. That will all

15:04

and on the jokes. but. I don't think

15:06

that people. Often

15:09

in fashion. Take.

15:11

It with enough lightness and I

15:13

think about because it. Is not

15:15

World War Three? Yeah I. Am.

15:18

I love about your books plum as

15:20

that they're so funny and you're so

15:22

in on the joke as a readers

15:24

but also the. The descriptions

15:26

of what people are wearing is very

15:28

important to their character development and so

15:30

for example in life like us as

15:32

everyone will soon we I'd in Palmer

15:34

is the the butler who is the

15:36

sort of plugins a hero we all

15:38

are you know following story through his

15:40

eyes see our and he has an

15:42

immaculate collection of vintage loafers and yeah

15:44

this comes up as a theme throughout

15:47

in place to store them me that

15:49

is designing I mean there's a horse

15:51

moment, a battle movie but them for

15:53

and know I feel I know him

15:55

better because. of his loafers cnn i

15:57

did i saw like this ascension in

16:00

baseball fashion novel because there's such great fashion

16:02

references. I have to say I'm really excited

16:05

for people to read this book. I feel

16:07

like for Americans it's going to hit somewhere

16:09

between like down nabi meets big little lies.

16:11

It's sort of that... Oh

16:13

right okay big little lies that's such a

16:16

good point. I know. Sounds like nabi meets big

16:18

little lies. I love that. I feel like

16:20

we need to get into the into

16:22

the country princess. Oh yeah. Yeah because

16:25

for Americans like I know of the

16:27

Cotswolds as to me that's the

16:30

Beckons and Soho Farmhouse and Cutter

16:32

Brooks and now Miranda Brooks. It's like

16:35

Brooks's and Beckons but I don't have

16:37

much to be honest. Yeah well

16:39

I mean that that sort of area that

16:42

you're talking about which is the very kind

16:44

of posh bit of the Cotswolds. It's

16:47

really particularly since Covid when a lot

16:49

of people moved out there you know

16:52

sort of semi full-time and because

16:54

it's near enough to London that you can get there with the

16:56

entire... It's kind of become like

16:58

the Hamptons of the UK wouldn't

17:00

you say. It's the weekend spot

17:02

and what happened is because all

17:04

these very fashionable people moved out

17:07

there from London they have refashioned

17:09

the countryside into a kind of

17:13

universe that suits them right. So

17:15

that's like Matthew Freud decides I'm going to

17:17

move to Burford and you know what I

17:19

need a Japanese restaurant darling. I know

17:21

I'm going to open a pub in Burford and guess

17:23

what it's going to have a really expensive beauty restaurant

17:25

in the basement or whatever and now everyone's

17:27

going to Burford to go to a Japanese restaurant

17:30

right. Used to go to Burford

17:32

to buy some you know churned butter

17:34

do you know what I mean or some

17:36

cream or some sweeties in the in the

17:39

tourist shop. So these very glamorous women

17:41

have sort of moved there. The property

17:43

is incredibly expensive. I'd moved to Gloucestershire

17:45

which is also in the Cotswolds and

17:49

I started to see around me and I've been living there

17:51

for about maybe 10 or 12

17:53

years. I love the countryside. I was brought up on

17:56

a farm and I just started

17:58

to notice it's become really glamorous

18:00

around it. And I also saw that there

18:02

was all these social occasions

18:04

that these ladies were having, which

18:06

were really funny in themselves. And I think that

18:08

I thought, there is a universe

18:10

here for me to write about. And actually,

18:12

I couldn't believe that someone hadn't already written about it

18:15

because it was a bit like when I wrote. No, I

18:17

thought that. It's wild. It's

18:20

bizarre, isn't it? There's been

18:22

lots of articles about the

18:24

place and the world, but there hasn't been anything

18:26

that really goes into the women and what they

18:28

care about and all the possessions and the competition

18:31

and the tablescaping. Totally.

18:34

The tablescaping. Those country princesses,

18:36

I call them princesses because they are princesses. They're

18:38

not going to get muddy. They're not going to

18:41

dig up the plants. They're not going to go

18:43

muck out the stable themselves. But they want that

18:45

feeling of bucolicness and being outside

18:47

and it's rural and it's

18:49

beautiful and it's looking like a postcard.

18:54

You once sat next to Tom Brady at

18:56

the map. Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. That's a funny story.

18:58

Tell me. It made me laugh so much

19:01

reading about this. This is so funny. I

19:03

am not into sport

19:05

at all. I can't hit a ball

19:07

or do anything. So I was invited

19:11

to the Met Ball by Anna,

19:13

which was really nice. And I get to

19:15

the table and it's Jean-Paul Gautier's table. And

19:17

I absolutely worship Jean-Paul

19:19

Gautier. Have you guys met him? No,

19:22

never met him. Love his clothes. He's

19:25

living legend. And a couple

19:27

of times I met him in Paris and I

19:29

was very lucky, had lunch with him with Anna

19:31

and everything he says doesn't speak very good English,

19:33

but everything he says he ends with this. And

19:36

it was a beautiful love

19:38

story. He's like, everything is

19:41

a love story. So I'm sitting on his

19:43

table. I'm super excited. And then there's Jean-Paul

19:45

Gautier on one end, then Jolie Richardson, the

19:47

actress opposite, who's in The Gentleman at the

19:49

moment. She's lovely. And then Giselle

19:52

Benshen, a little bit down the table for

19:54

me. And then sitting next to me, this

19:56

incredibly good looking man who... I'm

20:00

I'm like, okay, that's how boyfriend and I

20:02

thought to myself, well. She's of

20:05

see going out with a

20:07

male models. okay really? Polite. I'm

20:09

going to make conversation so I time

20:11

random I guess. hello. My name's Plum

20:13

on I want for save what's your

20:15

name and you and my name's Tom

20:17

Brady I went. Okay, so

20:20

do you can success. And

20:23

he looks at me when. I

20:26

work in sports amazing

20:28

like better then then

20:30

he clearly tons. Of. Michael Me

20:32

to Vibes. You. Know in their he was

20:35

he then. Time France's out

20:37

and a snog throughout the

20:39

entire know deny. Ago was

20:41

the point where. A Solar

20:43

it's them become free inglis about it

20:45

and the performance is starting and cassettes

20:47

knocking their heads together she can't see

20:49

whoever. Thing and see through bread

20:52

rolls. That they had to. Wonder

20:56

when he know by the end of the

20:58

dinner every one's a bit kind of drunken

21:00

about whatever and ever put out of control

21:02

but and made out with my Tom Brady

21:05

to sell but rate of wow I mean

21:07

plum as to say my go to imagine

21:09

what it was like the first time you

21:11

went to the Met twenty five years ago

21:13

versus today when it's to the i like

21:16

a i'm a military operation with yeah this

21:18

is the audience it on level security and

21:20

yeah a wet you for someone with. A

21:22

Ninety eight and Anna just said from get

21:25

a have a table invite some friends with

21:27

and I love. It I realized fired

21:29

different. I know if. I'd literally

21:31

I just started. At Vogue I

21:33

think like six months before. Another thing,

21:35

Ivan Ivan knew what the map who was

21:38

added. I certainly didn't know what the costume

21:40

it's to was. And she sets me

21:42

oh he knows This is policy I'd

21:44

like is have the table I'm I

21:46

had no idea what a great honor

21:48

this was but I thought oh well

21:50

that sounds fun so I thought okay

21:52

i'll him of got a few people

21:54

together and I bet a fun sometimes

21:56

people and as he many. Drivers have come

21:58

out in my own. her. And I I

22:01

think on you have London says like let's

22:03

get many and that's get k of sister

22:05

and then I got my twin sister and

22:07

her husband and then we got some English

22:09

design as like I think Matthew Williams and

22:11

and a few others and. I

22:13

remember going to this party and of

22:15

course as well it it was all

22:18

about. you know what we can aware

22:20

and it wasn't mad scramble for dresses

22:22

because it wasn't for the celebrities. the

22:24

was light. It was an inside

22:26

A fashion. Party school fashion

22:29

designers, Upper East

22:31

Side Society Ladies and then you

22:33

have the old celebrity. Which do

22:35

with a real buzz around them. real

22:38

excitements. So I remember walking to

22:40

the past and present outside of one

22:42

dead and going oh that looks

22:44

nice John Galliano twelve this we have

22:46

slipped dress and arrives. At him were

22:49

any jewelry I didn't get her makeup I.

22:51

Could about and flip flops with that zone.

22:53

I mean and I felt so amazing

22:55

and that south of so devastated that.

22:57

I have to give it back on the internet or

22:59

say for services. The whole Cinderella thanks

23:02

and I just remember that eating

23:04

was so magical because I had

23:06

never had that experience that New

23:08

York thing of that's really private.

23:11

Party. With incredibly interesting people.

23:13

But I remember that night that

23:16

sting. Plays. And I was

23:18

a huge police fun and I had a

23:20

huge. Crush on Sing when I was seventeen.

23:22

I mean by message in a bottle. John

23:24

I mean it. so good. Live videos and he

23:26

was so cute! Need. Food his us and

23:28

he came out and played and sang and

23:30

I'm Society. I'm. In

23:32

Heaven specific Earth.

23:35

So fun and me was it like working at

23:37

at those back then does I almost feel like

23:40

I was think of sex in the sea and

23:42

I just think well I don't think there's some.

23:44

Do you know that you're famous on tic toc?

23:46

Know. Oh. Come on don't

23:48

go to no snow it would I

23:51

mean is. It really is an amazing

23:53

clip from like an old i don't

23:55

know what it was from some saying

23:57

they filmed at Vogue offices twenty. years

23:59

ago Oh, is it the Dolce de

24:01

Gabbana shirt? Yes, yes, yes. Yes, it's so

24:03

good. Someone sent it to me. The

24:06

clothes that people wear here in the day

24:08

are probably clothes that normal people would wear on

24:10

their most glamorous night out of the year.

24:13

So what happened was the BBC

24:15

made a TV documentary called Boss

24:18

Women, right? And Anna Winter

24:20

was one of the boss women and she decided

24:22

for whatever reason that I was going to be

24:24

the kind of writer who was featured in

24:26

that. And so the BBC

24:28

crew were following me around to various stories

24:31

and things. And actually, have you seen

24:33

the clip with Amy Sacco, which is really funny when

24:35

I asked her how much she spent the year on clothes and

24:37

she says $250,000? Oh,

24:39

okay. And just wrote

24:41

it down in my book like it was, you know,

24:43

whatever. Anyway, it's funny. But there was

24:46

one time when they come into my little tiny

24:48

office and they're asking me what

24:50

I'm wearing. And

24:52

I'm wearing sort of evening wear,

24:55

basically. And I was

24:57

wearing this really chic Dolce Gabbana skirt, comfy

24:59

roses and a little white top. And

25:01

I just sit there in the most sort

25:04

of balmy way saying, who's going

25:06

to go and wear a shift on

25:08

Dolce Gabbana skirt like this to the

25:11

office? Only me or only someone who works at

25:13

Vogue. Plum,

25:18

I want to know, you started in

25:20

the UK as Isabelle

25:22

Blow's assistant and then you started

25:24

modelling for McQueen. How did that

25:27

trajectory happen? So

25:29

basically, I went to British Folk and

25:31

Work Experience, right? And

25:33

once I got there, I was absolutely desperate to

25:35

stay. And I just floated around being

25:37

a fashion assistant to various people. And

25:39

then I met Isabelle Blow and I thought,

25:41

God, I really want to work for her. That

25:44

would be so fun. She was such an interesting

25:46

person. I mean, she had the

25:48

most extraordinary taste and she could see

25:50

a trend or a designer coming

25:52

like three years before everyone else. It was too

25:54

early. Wow. But

25:57

I said to her, can I work for you? And she said, why would

25:59

someone do that? someone as conservative as

26:01

you want to work for someone as

26:03

eccentric as me. And I was like, that's

26:05

why. And so I worked for her for

26:07

probably about only about six months. And

26:15

she was working on this massive shoot

26:17

for Stephen Meisel and Joe McKenna, who

26:19

I mean, Stephen Meisel is still my

26:21

hero, sort of sort of working for

26:23

Izzy. And then because Izzy was so

26:25

embedded with the young designers, I obviously

26:27

met lots and lots of designers and

26:29

photographers. And some of them would say to me,

26:31

can you can I take your picture? Like, I

26:33

think Tim Walker took a portrait of me actually.

26:36

Nice. That's fine. And

26:38

then when we were doing the shoot, Stephen Meisel

26:40

said, Oh, you know, can't we have plum in

26:42

the pictures? So one minute I was being the

26:45

fashion assistant, you know, with the fishnet tights

26:47

and hats. And the next minute I was in the

26:49

pictures. So I had this amazing experience of having

26:51

these, you know, incredible photographs taken,

26:53

which, you know, Garin doing

26:55

my hair and Denise Marquis doing my face

26:57

and she like rebuilt your face with makeup.

27:00

But the funny thing was, Alexander McQueen

27:03

said to me, Can you model in

27:05

my show? And I was like, it's

27:08

a bit embarrassing because I work at Vogue and all my

27:10

colleagues are going to be in the front row. Do you

27:12

know what I mean? It was just like, but he

27:14

made everyone do it. And actually,

27:17

I think doing

27:20

those little bits of modelling, I'd say

27:22

modelling in a Prada show. Wow, I

27:24

didn't know that. That was terrifying. Yeah,

27:26

what was that like? Awful, because I

27:28

was backstage with Kristy, Linda and Naomi,

27:30

and I just wanted to die. I

27:33

just wanted to die. But anyway, those pictures are really

27:35

funny as well. But I think actually

27:38

doing it was amazing for my

27:40

career as a fashion journalist, because I

27:42

met all the hair and makeup people. I

27:44

met all the designers backstage. I met all

27:47

these amazing production people like Simon Costin. So

27:49

I met the sort of behind the scenes

27:51

people that you don't normally meet as a

27:53

journalist. And I

27:56

just I got to know people like Alexandra on

27:58

a completely different level because When he

28:00

was backstage at one of his own shows, he

28:03

was like a hysterical wild animal. It

28:05

was very, very funny. And he really

28:07

enjoyed himself. And I

28:09

particularly remember doing

28:11

this show called The Birds. Do you remember that

28:13

one? We said The Birds, Prince of the Cross,

28:15

everything. And he was just having such

28:17

a good time backstage. It was like

28:19

a full party every time we went

28:22

back there. What was it like moving

28:24

to New York? I mean, having done that

28:26

move myself, and you obviously worked

28:29

with Izzy Blow, so you had a sense

28:31

of, you know, what was the first thing

28:33

that struck you? I'm sure people

28:35

still ask you about the difference between New York

28:37

style and London style. But also, Plum's

28:40

New York in like the late 90s,

28:42

early 2000s, I feel like that was

28:44

real glamour sex in the

28:46

city. Oh, super glamour, right? It was very glamourous. I

28:48

mean, it was- Stilettos and Cosmos. It was the

28:51

era of the Park Avenue princesses. It

28:53

was the era of sex in the city, which

28:55

by the way, side note, I want to

28:57

say, I was so busy going out

29:00

to parties that I never watched Sex

29:02

in the City while it was running.

29:05

I never watched it. I didn't even have HBO.

29:07

I was like, how would I have time to

29:09

watch TV? Listen, I'm too busy being Carrie

29:12

Bradshaw to watch Carrie Bradshaw on

29:14

television. And I did not have

29:16

HBO because you had to pay a subscription for

29:18

it. And at the time, again, it seemed outrageous

29:20

that you were gonna pay for an extra

29:22

subscription for this one show. It

29:25

was so funny. And then of course I

29:27

ended up interviewing Sarah Jessica Parker years

29:29

later. And actually, by

29:31

of course, by that point, I had watched all of it. And I

29:33

then ended up being in the Sex in the City movie as

29:36

myself with Andre Leon

29:38

Telly, as himself. I love. To

29:40

go back to your question, what was it like moving? It

29:43

was, I was very lucky because

29:45

my twin sister Lucy had already been

29:47

living in New York. So I didn't feel

29:50

isolated and

29:52

dropped in a big pond like

29:54

an ex-pat. I thought, I've kind of got

29:56

family here. But I remember very clearly thinking,

29:58

I really, really... you

30:00

know, I really want some fresh fruit or some

30:02

fresh food or whatever and thinking I

30:04

don't know where to buy an apple, I don't

30:07

know where to buy fresh carrots and where

30:09

is everything and I meant to be here.

30:11

Yeah, the grocery stores where, I always feel

30:13

like they're just nowhere. They're nowhere and I

30:15

kept thinking oh my god Anna Winters hired

30:17

me to come here and I meant to

30:19

know where the coolest shoes, where are the

30:21

coolest clothes, where are the coolest sign of

30:23

and I don't even know where to buy

30:25

an apple, you know. But at the same

30:27

time Anna introduced me to

30:29

everyone, she kind of took me

30:31

round to every single appointment in

30:33

Paris, New York, Milan. I met everyone

30:35

very quickly and I

30:38

also learned that in America

30:40

as opposed to England you can pick

30:42

up the phone and you go hello my name is

30:44

Plum Sikes and I work at Vogue and I'd really

30:46

like to meet you and they go come on down

30:48

and they mean it. But in England it was always

30:51

you had to wait to be introduced and with the

30:53

contact and this and the other and I just really

30:55

learned in America to just pick up the phone if

30:57

I wanted to meet someone and I still do that

30:59

now and English people love it. They want to meet

31:01

people, everyone wants to meet people but it just gave

31:03

me this confidence. And

31:06

do you have a favorite Met moment? Because

31:09

I mean you went to the Met, you've been

31:11

to, I mean how many times has you been?

31:13

Okay, so first of all I think I've probably

31:15

been to Met like 12 or 13 times

31:17

I imagine. I think my,

31:19

I've got two favorite Met dresses that

31:22

I've worn. There was one year, I

31:24

can't remember what year it was and there was an

31:27

Alexander McQueen dress that I borrowed. It

31:30

was before he died

31:32

and it was a

31:34

long black column of tester

31:36

and it had a huge bow

31:38

across the front and it was

31:40

very orderly hat bun and it

31:42

was very dramatic. It was beautiful

31:45

silhouette and I'm someone who's obsessed

31:47

with silhouette because I actually believe that all

31:49

of fashion Is about silhouette

31:51

and I just had my hair in a bun and

31:53

I had a white rose on the side of my

31:55

hair and I think that's the best I ever looked

31:58

at any moment actually. Oh, that's fabulous. It

32:00

always latin ever say seat and

32:02

simple and the other trust the

32:04

I absolutely adored. I still wear

32:07

it if I'm invited something. Very

32:09

very glamorous as Sour Bus and

32:11

made me a custom couture black

32:14

satin embroidered beaded stress of the

32:16

train which was to be Alexander

32:19

Mcqueen side. And that is incredible.

32:21

It's got a really long sleeve and the sort

32:23

the sold as unlike the bomb mates who bomb.

32:25

Is incredible and you know and the

32:27

beating on it was just to die

32:29

for. And that you know I just think

32:31

she's a brilliant as I know. I mean I'm

32:34

I'm fully why I got back slightly I soon

32:36

for me I think she's coming back. Yeah. I

32:38

do say nine hundred percent or yeah here.

32:40

first. Plum. I'm not that if you're

32:42

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