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Fud, fud, fud, fud, Ruby Pod. Hello

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and welcome back to the Ruby Pod. It's me, Big

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Jim, recording late on a Sunday evening

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as I'm jetting off to Japan at

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4 o'clock and I can't wait. Goudy's

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still laid up in the sunlouger,

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full of king crab and perones

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and Guinness and cigarettes. So,

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absolutely loving life. So I've

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got a new dance partner this week and

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it isn't the great Dan Bigger but it's

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the great, the big Courtney Laws fresh off

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a massive shift for Northampton Sates on Saturday

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night but also got producer Rob with me

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as well. Rob, how are you mate? I'm

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good mate, I'm good, feeling energised this week.

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Oh yeah. Yeah, normally we say we fuck

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don't we? Well let's just say buggered, can you say

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you're buggered? Buggered, yeah. There you go, yeah, it's

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buggered, it's buggered. You're much better than the balls

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lads were, a load of controversy around that so

0:53

we'll be dissecting a little bit of that but

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we'll be keeping it upbeat, we'll be talking about

0:57

Leinster's massive win against their

0:59

biggest rivals, La Rochelle.

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We'll also be talking about Northampton's massive win

1:04

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1:06

for a bit of the game

1:08

down and to lose but ended up getting absolutely

1:10

humped. Quinn's, my goodness me, what

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1:14

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1:16

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is something else. Rob,

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I think you've told a little bit of a white line, mate,

2:33

at the start of this podcast. I've asked you how you

2:35

are. You texted me earlier saying that you weren't all right,

2:37

that you were hanging, even though you've not got the kids.

2:40

Give us a snapshot of what your day looked

2:42

like today. I know what it looked like, but

2:44

tell the listeners what you've been up to. So

2:46

this morning, I was coaching the Minis Rugby, obviously

2:49

the Elite Under Fives, Stockton Under Fives Under Sixes.

2:51

And then basically, I've sat on the sofa all

2:53

afternoon drinking mirettis and then I've just heard the

2:55

Chinese as well. The

2:57

stereotypical Northerner. So

3:00

it's the Chinese you'll go to. So if

3:02

you get an afternoon alone, I'm trying to

3:04

profile you here, Rob. So are you wearing a pair

3:06

of grey jogging bottoms with what looks like tea stains

3:08

at the front? Give us an idea.

3:10

Is that what you're doing? Are you like that stereotypical, like, I'm

3:12

going to say Northern slob, but I'm going to get beat up

3:15

if I say that. But is that what it looked like? Yeah,

3:18

the grey joggers are on. I've got curry sauce

3:20

dribbles on the front. Normally it would be a

3:22

parmour up here. I'm feeling a bit

3:24

continental. You're feeling continental? That is

3:26

a word. Yes, that is a word. This

3:29

is all very new to you, Rob. So let's

3:31

just kind of talk that up as well. So

3:33

I know that you've walked into your rugby club

3:35

and there's been cheers because you've been on the

3:37

podcast and we're making you a little bit more

3:39

visible, which for the listeners, just so you know,

3:41

producer Rob was very reluctant to

3:44

put a face and a voice

3:46

to the rugby party wanted to be in the

3:48

shadows. I was like, no, mate, we need the

3:50

Northern grit. We need a little bit

3:53

of humility. We need Chinese on

3:55

a sofa in grey jogging bottoms with tea

3:57

spill all over you. Like we need you,

3:59

Rob. You got some decent feedback haven't you for

4:01

being more visible on the pod? I have mate,

4:03

yeah I've had a couple of nice messages this

4:06

week. I've got 400 followers on Instagram now as

4:08

well, which is nice. Celebrity status I might say.

4:10

You sound buzzing. Well

4:12

done though mate, yeah. Right, we're

4:14

talking to Buzzin, let's bring our...

4:17

I'm going to call him friend of the

4:19

show, he's not over the gas because he's

4:21

going to run the rule over all the

4:23

matches at the weekend and will also preview

4:25

the semi-finals as well. Another game they're going

4:27

to have at the infamous, the famous, Croke

4:30

Park, it's going to be class, it's the

4:32

Great Courtney Laws. Course

4:34

being producer Rob was just talking about the UFC,

4:36

my goodness me, I know that you're a big

4:38

fan. Yeah obviously we had the game last

4:40

night and it was late finish anyway and you always

4:43

struggled to sleep a bit after games so I was

4:45

like, I'm just going to stay up, just watched it,

4:47

six in the morning. I was actually, I was quite

4:49

buzzing that the last fight was pretty quick because I

4:51

was falling asleep to be honest

4:54

but no, it was unbelievable spectacle. The BMF

4:56

belt for the listeners, we can't say these

4:58

words in rugby but bad mother funkers, let's

5:00

just say that. No it's a completely different

5:03

sport right and we have gone back and

5:05

forth a little bit on it. You

5:07

know I'm bigger to the UFC, I interviewed Drick or Stu Paseer, the

5:10

middleweight champion, it's the number

5:12

one sport that I've been interested in

5:14

before rugby but just they're so unapologetic

5:16

about what they are right, the language

5:18

that they use, the marketing around their

5:21

sport, it's epic isn't

5:23

it? Mate it was classier and like the

5:25

show they put on and it's also the

5:28

fact that they've got control over all their

5:30

fighters so they can actually, it's not like

5:32

boxing where you can dodge fights, like they

5:35

put the best fighters against each other and

5:37

that's what the fans want to see and yeah it

5:39

was mad that fight for Max Holloway

5:41

to do that, to be winning the fight

5:44

comfortably and then to just

5:46

be like, let's go, let's throw down

5:48

with Gaethje who could definitely knock

5:50

him out but yeah, take some balls

5:52

out, that is serious man, I was like

5:55

in bed at 5 in the morning. I

5:58

know, well I was, I didn't think that was a good thing. the other way around

6:00

mate because I'm an old man now with four kids

6:02

so I got up early this morning watched it before

6:05

the carnage of the household woke up but

6:07

the press conferences in the lead-up they're talking

6:09

about money aren't they so there's like a

6:11

bonus like a fight bonus, not fight of

6:13

the night, knock out of the night submission

6:15

or whatever it is and historically it's been

6:17

fifty thousand dollars, fifty pounds but let's say

6:19

fifty thousand dollars and there was this kind

6:21

of big play that fighters need to be

6:24

paid more they're putting their bodies through loads

6:26

the aftercare of fighters and the

6:28

pressure that's been put on Dana White who's effectively the

6:30

head of the UFC and they went

6:32

and they tripled whatever however you converted but it

6:34

was 300 grand wasn't it? yeah and Matt's got

6:36

two so he got 600 grand

6:38

from that one fight bonuses outside of what he

6:41

would have got in a contract for the fight

6:43

so yeah he's done pretty well but Dana's

6:45

one of them blokes which doesn't care what people

6:47

say like he honestly

6:50

doesn't give a crap what anybody has

6:52

to say about him he's completely uncompromising

6:55

on what he thinks and look

6:57

it's worth so far in and you

6:59

know what business is built? No exactly

7:01

look and I'm not drawing comparisons to

7:03

that but I just feel like we

7:05

need to go down the route of

7:07

being more comfortable to talk about money

7:09

evaluate the kind of risk of what

7:11

we more so you now because

7:14

you're still playing put your bodies through and that has

7:16

a commercial that has a monetary

7:18

value in that and the UFC have taken

7:20

risks all along the way in order to push

7:23

the boundaries the marketing around

7:25

it the pay-per-views around it and

7:28

they've gone nuclear in terms of the direction

7:30

of travel and you're like you said they've

7:32

got the head of the sport in Dana

7:34

White who spoke about the business actually that

7:36

when he got into it there were 30

7:38

million lots it was a ridiculously poor investment

7:40

yeah but now they've managed to turn the

7:42

tide on that so I think it's a

7:44

great blueprint I'm not saying that we need

7:46

to follow that blueprint but I

7:49

absolutely love it like the marketing around it

7:51

the access as well Adam Catterall who's a

7:53

UK Journo Bid chat to

7:55

him a little bit. he just said make the access

7:57

is insane like even the night before the fight. Yeah

7:59

that. The remainder products that you could

8:01

get involved is as a France and

8:03

a be a path and says laughing

8:05

he can you give him learn and

8:08

and every school really should be looking

8:10

up things outside the box and things

8:12

the other sports and people at the

8:14

winter to become successful and. says.

8:16

No Figaro better example than the of

8:18

see with with that you know absolutely

8:20

just astronomical kind of rise of this

8:22

last twenty years. really tense when he

8:25

is but that out in the fastest

8:27

growing sport for a long while now.

8:29

And. Let their send an hour

8:31

every event. That. Are the best Buy's in

8:34

the world and. People. On a loss

8:36

for their put on display and this

8:38

brings me onto the next point. Courtney

8:40

because I know is not a little

8:42

bit naughty. We've got access to Chase

8:44

in the sun to yeah and I

8:46

have small cameos and not been doing

8:48

color reviews and stuff like that which

8:50

had up which is crazy The people

8:53

are interested now almost feed in the

8:55

South African based as it were bet

8:57

that us talking about Usa and then

8:59

looking back on the Netflix.that was done

9:01

around the Six Nations. I would say

9:03

you can draw comparisons to Chase. In

9:05

the sense of in the way that

9:07

receive john need other interact with that

9:09

players. As in the tone

9:12

of voice, the terminology they use in

9:14

author, he can draw comparisons to the

9:16

Usa or did you think when you

9:18

watch that? Yeah, definitely. And I like

9:21

how willing they are. Let's the audience

9:23

see everything. You. Know not not just a

9:25

good fit, some. Cigarettes. You

9:27

know, the heart on the cooling people.

9:29

out of the the awkward. Had.

9:31

The Conversations. Is full access

9:34

and that's what people won't say that. I

9:36

want to see a diluted version of it.

9:38

They want to see what actually happens for

9:40

a senator. Want to see Black Qinghong every

9:43

coffee with his master assassin? I

9:45

can say that because last played well today

9:48

for to lose him calling them out but

9:50

mature hundred percent right and just because I

9:52

know the listeners when insane and usher in

9:54

South Africa on that course. on one of

9:56

the counter headlines are that episode three was

9:58

around evidence of Us relations. The with way

10:00

the Mulan and I had no idea and love

10:02

why would we have any idea that there is

10:05

that kind of friction but the way that the

10:07

coaches dealt with a lot been incidents where odd

10:09

a gallon. the players right the just don't like

10:11

may I don't like that you know ally but

10:13

you in the same same old five for the

10:16

same cause yeah isn't as exciting. have ever been

10:18

in that same where are blocked by touch with

10:20

anybody. Not I've gone not sit

10:22

well with everyone have ever played with,

10:24

on us and on that. Definitely boys that

10:26

enough or will. I wouldn't hang around with

10:29

a web of i've never been. It's a

10:31

mob like you know, you got leadership group

10:33

and and see I run a been in

10:36

Bermuda and will be power that Connor leadership

10:38

group and to have them yep bumping heads

10:40

like I can imagine would be incredibly disruptive

10:42

for the T. I just received.

10:45

Just. Did what he thought

10:47

was best, just got them to work out

10:49

the the best way these he saw fit

10:51

on a thing and or the other. Know

10:54

how you would necessarily go with a situation.

10:56

but. As I work for them and

10:58

and on. I guess that that's the main thing,

11:00

but. Yeah. Can imagine. You know

11:02

that is definitely no idea what's have

11:04

couple your main guys Berlin and very different

11:06

directions. Some of the meetings and stuff

11:08

like that when they're talking about. What?

11:11

They need to do in terms of violence

11:13

and use in these kind of very aggressive

11:15

words to skip Bayless as an idea of

11:17

sports or when like Steve would be or

11:20

at a lot how they speak to you

11:22

sir. For you being an enforcer, physicality central,

11:24

happy to your gates. you're almost like a

11:26

South African course on how you play your

11:29

domain as it is he was that not

11:31

as your game. Last in how they play

11:33

yeah yeah say is is quite similar and

11:35

you know we talk about rugby. been of

11:38

benefits, who school and on a yacht. For

11:40

a bonus for. And that on an honest

11:42

the. Without. That incense you

11:44

can't do anything you're up with. Like.

11:47

If is the less you get the physically thought

11:49

that right. You're. Not going to

11:51

get. That is essentially what some scientists

11:54

are every side and around my my

11:56

how. You. up eighty cents and maybe they're

11:58

not the biggest thing node whatever but At

12:00

some point in time, you're going to have to stop them and you're going to have

12:03

to get over the top of them. What about when

12:05

he's calling Peter Stestertoy out as well, like

12:07

as in the best player, the alpha of

12:09

the team, to get up off the floor?

12:12

How would you be with that? Yeah,

12:14

that's pretty mad to be fair. Considering

12:16

Peter Stestertoy will carry a pretty hefty

12:18

weight of kind of respect in that

12:20

team and around the team. I

12:23

would probably feel more

12:26

now that if you've got something

12:28

to say to me, say it to me, don't

12:31

try and make an example out of me because

12:33

I've been there, I've had that. You

12:36

have that when you're younger, like that, and

12:38

then you get through it and then eventually you

12:40

get to a stage where people want something different

12:42

out of you. They'll come to you on a

12:44

more one-to-one basis because you've earned

12:47

their respect or whatever. So it was

12:49

quite shocking, honestly, and

12:51

I can't imagine how he would have been feeling

12:54

in that situation considering, as I said, he's

12:56

a seasoned vet and one of the best

12:58

players in the world. So just

13:00

for context, of course, for the listeners, because they

13:02

haven't seen it yet. Apparently, it's going to come

13:04

to the UK very soon. Rugby Pass TV have

13:06

got, chasing the sun, one coming out in August. Producer

13:09

Rob Clow has been at the URC have got it.

13:11

So people are going to understand, but just for context

13:13

around that, it's the Ireland game. Peter

13:15

Stephteau is down, injured, what it looks like.

13:17

He could be exhausted or whatever. But

13:19

in the opening scene of episode three, Rassi's

13:22

calling him out saying, Peeley, you're our best

13:24

player. You know, you're our alpha, you're our

13:26

kind of main man. And

13:28

look at you. Look, he's calling him out. Like, that's

13:30

what he's doing on there. And it's right what you

13:32

say. I would be the same as you, of course,

13:34

because maybe this is our culture, right? Maybe this is

13:37

a cultural thing that is different for

13:39

us. And then off the back of

13:41

that piggyback in that court, when you're

13:43

watching that, these are the world champions back to

13:46

back, you obviously played them in the semifinal. Was

13:48

there anything where you drew

13:50

similarities or you were like, wowzers,

13:52

they're just getting it right? Like,

13:55

this is innovative. This is new. This

13:57

is class. Yeah, like I found it pretty mad.

13:59

They're doing that game thing aren't they? Like a

14:01

computer game. Like a computer game where they're playing

14:04

through the game, they've all got their own controllers

14:06

in their positions and whatnot. I've never seen anything

14:08

like that in my life. I didn't

14:10

even know that existed. So that's

14:13

so out of the box. I don't know

14:16

how much it would help or what you get from

14:18

it because I've never done it. So

14:20

it's hard to really comment on it but

14:22

surely it cannot mimic

14:25

the game. That. You

14:27

know what I mean? Yeah. You

14:30

get pretty tired, things happen, like you can't react.

14:33

But look, the fact that they're willing to

14:35

do things completely out of the box to

14:37

try and get an edge on the competition

14:39

is what Safaf could do, isn't it? Well,

14:41

I didn't even know that they did that.

14:43

That was what I mean, of course. That's

14:45

the thing. I wasn't aware. I

14:48

thought there was this kind of old school fucking

14:50

route one. Roll your sleeves

14:52

up. We're going to out physical you, going

14:54

to out monster you. I was

14:56

really surprised by the level

14:58

of detail and strategy. I don't know why

15:01

I am surprised, but I genuinely was. Like

15:03

Felix Jones, he comes into his own in this

15:05

episode. He's now working with the England

15:07

team. He, I would go as far

15:09

as saying, seemed like a bit of a genius in

15:12

terms of his detail and what he was bringing

15:14

to that team. I'm not surprised, to be honest,

15:16

not surprised at all, especially being under the likes

15:18

of Eddie and Steve now.

15:20

These coaches that get to the top

15:23

level, been at the top level, are

15:25

at the top level. They have a

15:27

different level of discipline

15:30

to the game and they dedicate. They

15:32

literally dedicate their lives to it. And the

15:35

level of detail they give you and that

15:37

they have is kind of out of

15:39

this world. It's a completely different level to most

15:42

coaching. That's why you become a world

15:44

class coach, not just an international coach

15:46

or a good preem coach, but

15:51

a world class, world cup winning coach. Would

15:53

you enjoy working with Rasi and

15:56

Jatni Naba when you saw that?

15:58

Look, I would not enjoy it. spending hours

16:00

in a meeting room and doing

16:03

a PlayStation game. No,

16:06

I wouldn't enjoy that. And they take it

16:08

incredibly seriously and that's good. And obviously like

16:10

you should, and everyone should take it seriously

16:12

as they want, but I'm relatively

16:15

relaxed. Like, yeah, rugby

16:17

is important to us, but it's a game.

16:19

You know what I mean? We're very lucky

16:22

to play a sport that

16:24

a lot of people do recreationally. And you know, there's

16:26

lots on the line and you can win a lot

16:28

of different stuff. But the other day you're

16:30

doing what you love and you should have fun doing

16:32

it. And I try not to take it like

16:35

Uber, Uber seriously. So I

16:37

don't know whether we clash in that area,

16:39

but I think we get along quite well

16:42

with our personalities. Like I find them quite

16:44

funny to be honest. And

16:47

I think I think we're quite, I quite

16:49

enjoy being around the campus. It seems like

16:51

a cool vibe. Yeah, it does.

16:53

Let's fuel the beast. Give us an idea of

16:55

what it's like playing against them players. Ebonette, Sibeth,

16:57

Sia Khaleesi, Peter Stethatoy, Dwayne V Muhlen. What are

16:59

your experiences of playing against them? What mindset do

17:01

you need to be in? Where do you need

17:03

to be physically? Yeah, you always got to be

17:05

at the top of your game when you play

17:07

South Africa, but I wouldn't

17:10

say that like a different

17:12

world physically or

17:14

anything like that. Like you play

17:16

world class teams and Australia have been there

17:18

in the past. New Zealand are always there.

17:20

Ireland there at the minute and teams can

17:23

get up there like Argentina and whatnot. And

17:25

obviously South Africa on their best there and

17:27

incredibly physical team, diligent

17:30

team, a team that know what the game plan is and

17:32

will beat the drum to the death, you know, on that

17:34

game plan side of it. And that's what makes a good

17:36

team. And that's it at the end of the day.

17:38

You know, if you want to

17:40

beat South Africa, you have to impose

17:43

your game on them. If you

17:45

let them play their game,

17:47

they'll win. So you have to front up

17:49

physically, disrupt them and what they're trying to

17:51

do at the same time, putting

17:54

your game plan on the pitch and making sure

17:56

that you're very strict with what you're doing on

17:58

that front. Lovely stuff. Mate,

18:00

we've given them enough now. We've fueled

18:02

the fire and we've fed the beast.

18:04

So let's just go straight into your

18:07

game on Saturday night against the Bulls.

18:09

There was loads of talk in the

18:11

lead-up, Courtney, about the travel, 13

18:14

changes they made. They thrashed Leon in the round

18:16

of 16. And

18:18

then there's this kind of talk about the value

18:20

in the competition. We were talking about it last

18:22

week, caught us on the podcast about the difficulty

18:24

of having to travel and just what that adds

18:26

to it. Then you saw the carnage of like

18:29

the eight different flights. The team had to get

18:31

the preparation was extremely poor. What

18:33

was your kind of take from it

18:35

inside the Northampton Saints camp? My take

18:37

was it's a very South

18:39

African thing to do, that whole

18:41

carnival around it and putting out

18:43

in the press eight different flights,

18:45

all this and that. I guarantee

18:47

you that it wasn't eight different

18:49

flights and the players probably all got there very much

18:51

the same time. And maybe the staff got there at a bit

18:54

different times and all that kind of stuff. But

18:56

I guarantee you a lot of things

18:58

there were at least exaggerated, to be honest.

19:01

And it was a great way of them

19:04

taking the pressure off themselves, essentially

19:07

putting it all on us, disrupting us, getting

19:09

us thinking different things and not quite on

19:11

the ball. And that's what I was pretty

19:13

wary of, to be honest. Yeah, because they

19:15

were good, weren't they? First off, especially they

19:17

were physical, like everything that we've kind of

19:19

spoken about with the South Africa team. But

19:21

they didn't have some of their best players.

19:24

Where are you as a player?

19:26

Obviously you want to win, right? So

19:28

you'd rather not play against Kirtley Arrinser

19:31

and Kader Moody's and these style of

19:33

player. But there is this

19:35

conversation around it devaluing the tournament a little

19:37

bit. Do you know what I mean? And we've played

19:40

nine seasons, ten seasons in the Champions

19:42

Cup. For me, it's the greatest. So

19:44

I want to see it valued across

19:46

the board and for people and teams

19:48

to bring their very best. The South

19:50

African teams have brought this new influence,

19:53

have they understand that and with the

19:55

added travel and the URC, where

19:57

they've got a travel as well, there's a lot going on

19:59

into that mix. What are your views, if

20:01

any, on that? Yes, I mean, I was pretty

20:03

disappointed. I didn't put the best team out. And

20:05

then yesterday, about one

20:07

o'clock, my back went into spasm,

20:10

like just randomly. So I

20:12

was toast, mate. I was like, flipping heck, I

20:14

don't even know if I was going to be able to play.

20:16

So at that point, I was like, maybe it's good to be

20:18

able to play. But yeah, I was

20:21

like, oh, God, am I even going to

20:23

be able to get to the game? So

20:25

basically, if I can run, I'm going to

20:27

play. So I could get around. I was

20:30

very stiff, didn't feel this great, but managed

20:32

to get out there. But I always want to play the

20:34

best team. And I think it prepares you to ask for

20:36

the rest of the tournament. We're going to have to go

20:38

and play. Then, you know, and that's going to

20:40

be it's going to be a hell of a game. And you

20:43

know, I think we would have benefited much more from being

20:45

a team that had the best team out. And you

20:47

know, all the spring box and internationals and World Cup

20:49

players that kind of come with that. Is that why

20:52

you got caught on that line breaking course? It was

20:54

the back. It was 100% the back, mate. I

20:56

don't do anything, mate, if I was fully fair. Yeah,

20:59

I thought you didn't look right, mate. That's what

21:01

it was. Yeah, cheers, mate. I appreciate it. I

21:03

didn't think anything at all. If I'm running around

21:05

like you with a bad back, that would have

21:07

been me in my prime. I don't know if

21:10

you've seen, but then someone's put together a YouTube

21:12

clip of my greatest. Yeah, I did

21:14

that. Oh my gosh, don't. They're

21:16

embarrassing. No, they're not good. What do

21:18

you mean they're good? No, the

21:21

comments are horrendous. I

21:23

had a minor surgery on Friday and I'm like

21:26

high as a kite on whatever they give you.

21:28

And I'm like someone sent me it. It

21:30

might have been producer Rob sent me and there's

21:32

all these comments. So I'm starting to, I don't

21:34

ever reply to comments ever, but I'm high as

21:36

a kite. I start rinsing people on

21:38

there being like, what are you talking about? Is

21:41

he running in slow motion? I was like the hat trick

21:43

from India is not there. But yeah, that's

21:45

what don't look, don't type my name in

21:47

there. But Courtney, you're moving well for me.

21:50

Yeah, of course. It's cool to say that.

21:52

Why are you laughing? Don't laugh. Yeah,

21:54

Courtney, you like to fly. So

21:57

we've had big zone. talking

22:00

up like Northampton, talking up Sam

22:02

Bestie, talking up Finn Smith. You

22:04

know at the beginning of the season, what was

22:06

the ambition? Because to fight on both fronts is

22:09

near only possible in the premiership with the budget,

22:11

with the salary, with the amount of games. So

22:14

is there an element of surprise that you're at

22:16

this point now where you're fighting for the prem

22:18

and that you're heading over to Croke Park to

22:20

face one of the best teams in the Champions

22:22

Cup? I don't know if I'd use the word

22:24

surprise. I think you're always going to

22:26

a season wondering where you're going

22:29

to be and how the team's going to

22:31

fit together. And we've had quite a few

22:33

new players, but most of our core

22:36

leadership groups and stuff like that have

22:38

been growing over the past few seasons.

22:40

And it's just been really, really good

22:42

to see some of these younger now

22:45

kind of more coming into

22:47

their prime lads, like Ferbz, Freeman, Freeman's

22:49

still young, he's only about 23 or

22:51

something like that. But yeah, boys like

22:53

Ferbz and Alex Cole, Mooney, like all

22:55

these young lads have been around for

22:57

a while and always been really good

22:59

players, but just struggled to get that

23:01

really high level consistency, just be able to put

23:03

it on the part week in, week out. Dingas

23:06

being one as well, like boys are just

23:08

stepping up left, right and centre. And then

23:10

around that we've got a ton of talent.

23:12

So it's just been great to see how

23:14

well these boys are stepping up into the

23:16

leadership role and to the, you know, the

23:18

playing role and becoming starting to reach their

23:20

potential, really. And that's the

23:22

kind of standout thing for me when I look

23:24

at Northamper, there's names that you've not even said

23:27

there where we've not said like Ollie Slyhome as

23:29

well. He's not someone that we've been

23:32

speaking about, he's been unreal for you

23:34

lads as well. Who else is there? Like,

23:36

what is it about him? Like who else

23:38

are people not talking about? Seeing Hendy as

23:41

well, come on, like snapshot of him last

23:43

season. There's a few positions where we've just

23:45

got so much strength and depth, like especially

23:47

our back three. So we've got Slytes, we've

23:49

got Hendy, we've got Rambo. We've got

23:51

Fervs to come in. We've got Seabs

23:53

and then Backrow, we've got Ludds,

23:56

Tom Pearson, you know, Coley can

23:58

play Backrow or Guston. Sam

24:00

Graham has been cast this season. We've

24:03

just got so much strength and depth in a

24:05

couple of really important positions. And then boys like

24:08

Curtis has come in, Curtis Langdon

24:10

and been cast for us. And

24:12

he's pushing Sam Mattsivacie. And we've

24:14

got a lot of competition for

24:16

places. And I think that really

24:18

breeds success and an individual kind

24:20

of growth. The better you become

24:22

as a team of individuals, the better team you

24:24

become kind of thing. So we're

24:26

really pushing each other. Training level has been

24:29

a training standard that's been really good this

24:31

season. And that is something that we're

24:33

going to have to continue. And we've still got a

24:35

bit to improve on. But if we train now, we

24:37

keep training, we keep wanting to improve, then we're going

24:39

to give ourselves a really good shot. And then you

24:41

get the dream ticket. I don't know if it is

24:43

the dream ticket to go over to Leinster,

24:46

to Croke Park in Dublin. Did you watch the Leinster-LaRochelle

24:48

game? I don't know how it works now when you've

24:50

got so much rugby on and stuff on the kid.

24:52

Yeah, we could watch all of it. I think I

24:54

watched the first 20 minutes or so. And

24:57

then we had to start prepping for our game

24:59

kind of thing. I've seen highlights of one-up, but

25:01

yeah, it ended up being a pretty one-sided result,

25:03

didn't it? Yeah, it did. Yeah, Leinster, another level

25:05

course now. And I did a little bit of

25:08

digging into this because I'm watching it and it's

25:10

easy to take a kind of superficial snapshot

25:12

on the game and being like, yeah, Leinster, you

25:14

look at the scoreline, 40 points to 13, they

25:17

hammered them. So I did a

25:19

little bit of digging and understanding where did

25:21

the performance like that come from? Like, is

25:23

it LaRochelle not being as good as they

25:25

have been in the last couple of years?

25:27

Yes, there's a part of that. A lot

25:29

of travel obviously involved. They stayed up in Munster and stuff like

25:32

that. But I'm going to hit you with a couple of things.

25:34

This is a little bit of insight course that I got off

25:36

my mate. Now, again,

25:38

you go back to chasing the sun too and

25:40

you look at the detail of Felix Jones, what

25:42

he's doing. He's on YouTube going through

25:45

the dark web, trying to find them small gains.

25:47

That stuff didn't exist when I was playing at

25:49

all. If it did, we probably would have won

25:51

a World Cup and a few Six Nations off

25:53

the back of it. But do

25:55

you know what this phrase is?

25:58

Passes per defensive actions. PPDA,

26:01

do you know what that is? Passes

26:03

per defensive actions. The amount of passes

26:05

you get in before a tackle is

26:07

made. Yeah it is, yeah and I

26:09

didn't know this at all, not that

26:11

you would need to know this but

26:13

this is a stat course which

26:16

apparently at the strategic end of

26:18

the game is being

26:20

spoken about and you know like as in the

26:22

coaches in the analysis they go really deep into

26:24

like these micro bits of

26:26

detail right we as players probably don't need to know

26:28

that you just need to get off the line and

26:31

fucking smash someone right that's simple as that but

26:33

I think with Leinster they found an Achilles

26:35

heel in their game like Jart Nienab has

26:37

found an Achilles heel in their game there's

26:40

a quite an obvious one when they came

26:42

up against La Rochelle and well La Rochelle

26:44

basically the bigger power teams so

26:46

everyone's thinking Jart Nienab has come in defensive

26:48

mindset again going back to the doc you're

26:51

seeing these kind of quirky traits that he's

26:53

got the South African influence so

26:55

yes there is that yes there

26:57

is the Leo Cullen effect having I suppose

27:00

the confidence and the trust to bring someone

27:02

like Jart Nienab are in but they picked

27:04

out this stat passes per defensive action where

27:07

they were really low down there were somewhere

27:09

like 16th or something in the rankings and

27:12

what that is is basically was saying that

27:14

their line speed was completely off so teams

27:16

were playing in front of them more they

27:18

weren't getting off their line they weren't making

27:20

the collisions behind the game line and they

27:22

were really really far off them stats yeah

27:25

so when you look at it and some

27:27

of the changes that they made at the weekend

27:29

against La Rochelle Will Connors for example started ahead

27:31

of Josh van der Fleer like that was a

27:33

big statement right Josh van der Fleer of Will

27:35

Play of the year a couple of years ago

27:37

like Will Connors comes in you'd be like well

27:39

there's no chance and like it was a stroke

27:41

of genius also you look at

27:44

Ryan Baird like in that position yes I know

27:46

he's a freak athlete but His

27:48

collisions behind the game line getting off the

27:50

line so there was that thing that was

27:52

that was picked up about it as well.

27:54

but digging a little bit further into it

27:56

as well and asking about the psyche is.

28:00

Okay, What's your need of is

28:02

done. He is empowered them like

28:04

he did with South Africa, using

28:06

them physical attributes and conversations about

28:08

challenge into place on tight furlong.

28:11

Other's lives smashing Will scoured from of everything

28:13

a his hold his sole purpose in the

28:15

game until I got a bit of the

28:17

level Eat has been a couple years goes

28:19

over the world class but he was by

28:22

side of the world's a was smoking will

28:24

scout when he apparently he was in that

28:26

game just about market for so i think

28:28

lead to for me looking at that game

28:30

yes the ideal malays ever talked about that

28:32

the it's an activist give subpar going down

28:35

the shore side. there were second the lights

28:37

but it was that the fence is that

28:39

defense to me that won that. Game against

28:41

La Rochelle base the do they weren't even if

28:43

they got monsters. Food served as a massive statement

28:45

of in some. Yeah. The thing

28:48

or think they identified was lower

28:50

show's main advantage over lunch that

28:52

would be size. Sauce is calling

28:54

on the other same for a

28:57

few. Again, bullied you must

28:59

never see t get fully stuff

29:01

from and still win the game

29:03

so you you absolutely have to

29:05

at least matter of catastrophe when

29:07

in the high several when teams

29:09

have often.people who some place beyond

29:11

a dominant pot and punish you.

29:14

So. You stop or source and

29:16

on they did that. Yeah, they've also some

29:18

big unison. I think about some of these

29:20

if we call them athletes not dance here,

29:23

never talk to my base. a big man

29:25

died to pose a big mods or third

29:27

on to big man. Joe Mccarthy is a

29:29

big months and island and lens to have

29:31

been very structure based. Everything's been around the

29:34

structures around the study of how they play

29:36

and they haven't had that physically. Did not

29:38

have them. Big Monsters Jb Osborne, it's was

29:40

a big lot as well. Yeah, I'm not

29:43

support the cornea. his. you look at

29:45

your team you look at northampton and

29:47

that's why against the bulls to the

29:49

games a season like saracens the physical

29:51

attributes in the size of the human

29:53

augustus that you've got you mentioned some

29:56

pierces he south alex coast not these

29:58

ads kind of new breed athletes

30:00

that you need to compete at the business end of

30:02

the season, right? Yeah, definitely. It's one of them now

30:04

because you've got to be big, you've got to be

30:06

strong, you've got to be fast. It's like the

30:08

game is professional and people now are

30:11

not just picking up rugby when

30:13

they're 16, 18 and falling

30:16

into a job. They're literally been brought up

30:18

by their parents and past players

30:20

and have been in the gym since they're 12, 13

30:22

years old. And these are

30:25

proper athletes with serious strength,

30:27

serious power, a lot of times some of it's improved

30:30

as well. So yeah, it's good. It's good for the

30:32

game. It's good to see we want more of it

30:34

as well. How do you beat

30:36

Leinster of course? What's the mindset? I know you've

30:38

got a couple of games coming up in the

30:40

prem and stuff like that, but that's like the

30:43

headline game is that you're going to have massive

30:45

support coming over from Northampton. Leinster

30:47

at home again at Croke Park,

30:49

like it's an iconic stadium. I

30:52

know you're not scared of playing against

30:54

Ireland and Leinster, but what do you

30:56

need to be like? What kind of level do you need to be able

30:59

to beat a Leinster team like that?

31:01

Look, I truly believe that if we as a

31:03

team get our process right, put our game on

31:05

the pitch, we can beat anyone. We've proven that

31:07

this season time and time again, home and away,

31:09

we'll be looking to do the same again. And

31:12

it's going to be a tough game. We're

31:14

going to have to be

31:17

willing to fight, fight to the death. It's going

31:19

to be a war and we're going to have

31:21

to be prepared for that. But as I said,

31:23

I truly believe that this team has got to

31:25

be capable of this, beating anybody on our day

31:27

as long as we can put our game plan

31:29

on the pitch and execute as we want to

31:31

execute. So obviously their job is to stop

31:34

them from doing that, but our job is to stop them from doing

31:36

that as well. So it's going to be a hell of a game,

31:38

I think. So how many are you saying

31:40

you're beating them by then, course? Rob,

31:43

don't do that. Don't fuel the fire. I

31:45

don't care whether it's 20 or

31:47

one mate, as long as we get the win, I'm not

31:49

bothered. I had 20 there, James. Yeah, no, I didn't hear

31:52

that because you know what happens. Rob's

31:54

fueling the fire because Jarni Nava and

31:56

the South African coaches used anecdotes from

31:59

Irish media. before the battle didn't

32:01

affect the game because Ireland won, but they were putting

32:03

them up. We saw in episode 2 So

32:05

if the courts fuels the fire and says we're putting

32:07

20 points on them What

32:09

you saying then Jim? What am I saying?

32:12

I'm saying don't you say things because court is

32:14

here Don't just agree with

32:16

course. I'm not I am I

32:18

think the thing is for lens the court What was

32:21

last time you paid lens to a good one ago

32:23

now? I think there you go. Okay. Well, that's what

32:25

I mean So years ago, so so not recently a

32:28

wonder if lens does mindset And we know

32:30

that they're the all-around team, right? Larashelle

32:32

was their grudge match that we packaged

32:34

it to be last week. They're the

32:37

bogey team So I'm not saying

32:39

that lens to have a mental weakness or

32:41

anything like that that they're not going to take

32:43

Northampton seriously They are but they've not played them and

32:46

I look at Northampton now We spoke about them

32:48

all season like the momentum gathers, you

32:50

know, you've got some quality players in that

32:52

team I think it'll be

32:54

a lot closer. I don't know if Northampton will

32:56

win I don't know everyone's expecting lengths to win

32:58

but everything's in favor and you know what I

33:00

mean? And this is another thing course if it's

33:02

a Franklin's Gardens, it's a different

33:04

story Okay, but the travel element

33:07

to it the fact that there's big Premiership games

33:09

in between You know I mean just adds to

33:11

it and not lens to will rest their players

33:13

in the URC because this is the tournament they

33:15

won And that's why I've pushing you a bit

33:17

courts on that in terms of not being surprised

33:20

But if Northampton do it it is massive It's

33:22

a massive upset and I say that with all

33:24

due respect because of the reasons that I've just

33:27

given But I think Northampton a

33:29

prime now like everyone's fit courts. Have you

33:31

got yeah No, it's about the last person

33:33

we've got to come back is Tom Pearson,

33:35

but he'll hope yeah in the next couple of

33:37

weeks So yeah, we're picking from from

33:40

full stock and like you said, yeah

33:42

No, we we've got no days off

33:45

You know, I mean like we've got less for

33:47

this week quinn's that took in in the week

33:49

after and then we're into Semifinals so it is

33:51

what it is man. That's what you want. Yeah,

33:53

that's where you want to be We're gonna be

33:55

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33:57

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there's joy in every journey. Yeah, and

34:29

I'd say out this side of the pool

34:31

as well, Rob, I said this pool, but

34:33

how it's been done, you've got teams that

34:35

are going to be at the level. They're not

34:37

up and down. Like La Rochelle are coming to

34:39

Leinster, they're putting the best foot forward. Like Northampton

34:42

are putting the best foot forward against the balls.

34:44

Whereas on the other side of that, it's a

34:46

little bit different, is it? Because you look at

34:48

the games, we look at the one game specifically,

34:50

didn't see Harlequins beating Bordeaux. But then you

34:52

watch Bordeaux come out the blocks, you're like, hang on, they're swimming

34:54

up, right? I

34:56

don't know what it is, I don't know whether

34:58

it was Harlequins and they just expected to rock

35:01

up, but no Damian Penno, no Matthew Jalabare. And

35:04

I didn't see that Quinn's performance come in, of

35:06

course. Surely when you saw that result, you

35:09

must have been a bit in shock.

35:11

Yeah, yeah, it was. And like nobody

35:13

would give Quinn a chance in hell,

35:15

but Quinn's one of them teams that

35:17

on their best day, they can actually

35:19

beat anybody. And they've proven, they've just

35:21

proven obviously, but they do

35:23

sugar with consistency. It depends what Quinn's you're

35:25

going to get on the day. And if you get a

35:28

Quinn's that is firing in the right mood,

35:30

then they're going to be tough to beat,

35:32

man. Yeah, again, like going into that game

35:34

and Gooney did an article for Ruby Pass

35:36

and he was talking about teams devaluing the

35:38

tournament and he mentioned balls and he also

35:40

mentioned Quinn's as well. And I

35:43

don't know whether they have devalued it because they

35:45

didn't pick Danny Kehr and Joe Mahler. And

35:48

he weren't really referencing that. He was just

35:50

saying because they're the headline names and they

35:52

weren't starting, but actually the set piece. So

35:54

Jung Finn Baxter coming in, they're monster

35:56

them like scrum line out. And

35:58

that's what it means. talent coming through in

36:01

England now is off

36:03

the back of that resort as well as as

36:05

well as you lads as well is the future

36:08

looks bright you know. Yeah no it's fantastic to

36:10

have two English teams in a semi-final of Europe

36:12

is it's great for English rugby and

36:14

we need to see more of it man we you

36:16

know we need to keep growing the game and it's

36:19

fantastic to see and I'm sure both

36:21

both of us will be getting a lot of

36:23

support over the next few weeks so yeah we'll

36:25

do our best. Yeah Jim

36:27

your tweet blew up a little bit didn't it

36:29

about Quinn's been on fire so the scrum went

36:31

well the lineup went well what else

36:33

mate what else have you seen? Well I

36:35

was ever seen well from a superficial view

36:38

with the four kids screaming I saw a

36:40

team that like Courtney said that

36:42

is up and down was up they were just on and

36:44

it was a free swing they were talking about it in

36:46

the lead-up free swing no one thought they were gonna win

36:48

I didn't think they were gonna win I didn't see anyone

36:50

who thought they were gonna win but like

36:52

they came out Chandler Cunningham South on

36:55

his first couple of carries was fucking

36:57

monster in people course and then after

37:00

two or three carries he was absolutely fucked

37:02

because he was boiling as well and he's

37:04

just come back we've had him on the

37:06

podcast before yeah you've left a big void

37:09

to fill do you think someone like Chandler

37:11

could fill that void? Yeah definitely like

37:13

he's he's very different player

37:15

to me in a lot of ways like

37:17

I see him as more of an eight

37:19

I think than a six probably I've

37:22

never like played with him or even played against him

37:24

that many times or anything like that so I'm not

37:26

like too precluded on it on his game but generally

37:28

out of your six you want a pretty good line

37:30

out jumper and he's a big big bloke you know

37:32

I mean so I'm not sure if he's gonna be

37:34

like a Chasm six which is probably what England

37:37

will be playing going forward but definitely at

37:39

the in the number eight spot with the

37:41

amount of strength and power he's starting to

37:44

speed on top of it if

37:46

he can continue to grow his game I think

37:48

it's gonna be we're gonna find out his ceiling

37:50

do you know what I mean because

37:52

it's gonna be a good runner it's gonna be a

37:54

good ball carry it's gonna be able to bang people but

37:57

if you're gonna be able to get around the park for

37:59

80 minutes Be a grafter, put

38:01

it in when it hurts, you know what I

38:04

mean? Not leave dog legs and stuff when

38:06

you're tired. And I'm not, this is not saying

38:08

he does, this is asking him. If

38:10

he's willing to fill these parts

38:13

of his game, that'll be where

38:15

he finds the consistency needs to

38:17

be the player that he

38:19

can be. If you want to be the

38:22

best player, it's not just about being able

38:24

to, you know, bang people and run over

38:26

people. It's about being able to do it

38:28

consistently and being able to not put your

38:30

team in jeopardy to make up for people's

38:32

mistakes, to always be on the ball and

38:34

to be consistent, to be relied on is

38:36

one of the best things you can be

38:38

as a player. And that absolutely takes time.

38:40

There's no way you're going to be that 22, 23, 24, but

38:45

you can start developing it as soon as possible.

38:47

Mate, that's so cool to hear you say that because

38:49

I can get a little bit carried away. Like in

38:51

the game, mate, that's exactly what it was. It was

38:53

like two or three monster carries. And

38:56

when we had them on the podcast, who's like

38:58

the beacon? Like who do you want to be

39:00

like? He said, Arnie Saverin, you'll know this. His

39:03

repeat efforts are ridiculous, aren't they? Like his influence

39:05

is on the game. And,

39:07

you know, if he's setting his start, he understands that

39:09

that's what it is. But I think what he did

39:11

is he's doubled down on that carry in the six

39:13

nations against Ireland. Is that the one he got injured

39:15

off as well or not? Yeah, so he's doubled down

39:17

on that. He's obviously been thinking about that because that

39:19

kind of lit up for him, didn't it? And then

39:21

he's just come into the game and

39:23

fucking monster the few folk and then felt the

39:25

30 degree heat on his back. But mate, they

39:27

were good. Like twins

39:30

were good, mate. Alex Donbram was

39:32

wicked again. Unbelievable, mate. Unbelievable player.

39:34

Such a class, class player for

39:36

Quinn. What a game he had.

39:38

He's one of these guys that kind of goes

39:40

into the radar. Probably because he's not had much

39:42

success with England yet. And

39:45

obviously, Benio has been world

39:47

class for England. So that's not helped him.

39:49

But he is actually such a consistent player

39:51

for Quinn. Like he's always on the money.

39:54

He's a guy that Quinn's reliant heavily and

39:56

he just delivers time and time again. That's

39:58

what I mean to him. looking Lina, I

40:00

thought Will Evans was wicked again, great overall,

40:02

he's managed to take it to another level,

40:05

but they just looked good court. As in

40:07

Will Porter at nine, I've seen snapshots of

40:09

him before, but he's up against Luku, obviously

40:11

international, who missed the kick at the end

40:13

of the game as well, which was

40:16

a bit of a sitter to be honest. Right

40:18

for the post, but they'll be kicking themselves with

40:20

that, but Will Porter was very good. I still

40:22

think even if he knocked that over, Quince would

40:24

have probably ended up winning, because they went

40:26

and got that kick off again afterwards, didn't they? And

40:28

stuff like that. So yeah, I don't think that necessarily

40:30

determined the game, but yeah,

40:32

I definitely didn't help him. Yeah,

40:35

and that's a game for Quince, right? Where you look

40:37

at the pren and the champions come

40:39

and look, I don't want to say that going to Toulouse

40:41

is going to be a step too far, but with the

40:43

history they've got in the tournament and the quality. But

40:46

for me, everyone's looking at Quince now, because

40:48

we're getting into the spring, we're getting into

40:50

the summer, I'm looking at the team, like

40:53

basically the first team that they've got out now, the fact

40:55

that they've not got Marla in the squad, they've not got

40:57

Danny Kerr. Tyrone Green's back

40:59

as well, like his stats from

41:01

the weekend courts, not that this might mean anything

41:03

to me or you, but the list is 20

41:06

carries, 169 metres made, four defenders beating in a

41:08

try. You know what I mean? So they are

41:10

pretty good stats. I mean, they mean something to

41:12

me as well, but he's quality for them as

41:14

well as Lewis Leiner as well, who's obviously off

41:17

to Whitley. But just a complete performance, I didn't

41:19

see it come in. Marcus Smith, we're

41:21

not really talking about him, we were talking actually about

41:23

his game management courts with Biggs, and I'm

41:25

talking about the difference between him and Finn

41:28

Smith. Finn Smith almost has this complete game

41:30

where Marcus is like this kind of maverick

41:32

cut out of a Finn Russell mould, but

41:34

actually he went about his business, he moved

41:37

the team around and that was, I

41:39

guess, a quality Bordeaux side. It's probably the difference

41:41

for him from being the best

41:44

club player to being a great international

41:46

player as well. Yeah, Marcus is

41:48

one of these people that I don't think

41:50

people understand how tenacious he is. He wants

41:52

to get better, he wants to be the

41:54

best. Without a doubt, I see

41:56

him all the time when I was playing

41:59

with him. like there's bits

42:01

of his game that he can improve but

42:03

he wants to improve them. He doesn't just

42:05

want to be this guy that's just flair

42:07

and can just pull rabbits out of

42:10

hats from time to time. Like he wants to

42:12

be a player that is world-class, he wants to

42:14

be a world-class player and you see

42:16

the hunger in him when you play with

42:18

him and I think he'll continue to develop

42:20

so the battle between him and Finn going

42:22

forward will only improve them both and

42:25

so it's only going to benefit England at the end of

42:27

the day. Well you have

42:29

to give a bit of a tip and a slip

42:31

out of Exeter on you Jim. Yeah first off they

42:33

were great, caught you would have been asleep mate if

42:35

you stayed up all night watching me. Yeah I was.

42:37

I thought I've got to watch it, do Exeter have

42:39

a chance and I put it

42:41

in my mind that they didn't have a

42:43

chance and the reason is just for the

42:46

listeners again they've got a tip, well basically

42:48

they've got Anton D'Pon but you look at

42:50

their team that they've got is just they've

42:52

got Malvacca, Cyril Bae, D'Pon, Romanin Semanth's back,

42:55

you've got Blair Kinghorn, Peter Rackett,

42:57

I mean I could name every single player, the

42:59

fact that Julien Marchand was on the bench and

43:02

Timo Floumont just shows you the quality, they got

43:04

Thomas Ramos as well and then you look

43:06

at the Exeter team course just full of young

43:08

lads, you know what I mean, like full of

43:10

young lads, a team that's in transition and

43:13

I asked you the question and I know

43:16

that your team at Northampton are further on

43:18

in terms of development but you've got to

43:20

remember this team made the semi-final last year

43:22

of the Champions Cup but with their team

43:25

courts, so what is it about Exeter

43:27

that make them so good?

43:30

Is it Rob Baxter, the quality of players that they've

43:32

got coming through, the game plan that they have which

43:34

is quite simple? Obviously they've got a good crop for

43:36

players, don't get me wrong but I think

43:38

their coaching staff with Rob Punter and

43:40

Ali Heifer as well, so

43:42

I was actually, they brought me through

43:45

the Academy, Ali Heifer and Rob Punter

43:47

and then Baxter as obviously, so

43:50

he brought Exeter up from the Championship and

43:52

Rob was obviously the first team to really

43:54

be able to transition to become a fully

43:56

fledged Cramship team guy to win a load

43:58

of stuff, so he I think

44:00

he understands better than most

44:03

the effectiveness of real

44:07

teamwork and everybody being on the

44:09

same page, pulling in the same

44:11

direction because they do, not to

44:13

be disrespectful to them and their players, but

44:15

they do really punch above their weight at

44:17

the minute and they have done for

44:19

a long time really. So yeah,

44:22

I can only imagine that he's down

44:24

to the coaching staff and what they're

44:26

doing off the pitch. Yeah. Well,

44:29

that's what I mean. He's got one point down. Yeah. Jack

44:32

Willis scores a try at the end. Here's one

44:34

for you. Jack Willis, unbelievable courts. Yeah, it was

44:36

good. He was unbelievable, like ball in hand. So

44:38

I don't think he got one turn, I think

44:41

he might have got one or two. But like,

44:43

who cares about that? His carrying ability. And

44:45

this is the thing, right? I know it came

44:47

out last week and Bill Sweeney and the RFU

44:49

have doubled down on saying that players

44:52

playing in France can't play for England. When you look

44:54

at him, I know the bat row is probably well

44:56

covered for England, but how you

44:58

can ignore someone playing in a Toulouse

45:00

team that's keeping Thibaut-Flement. They could

45:02

have went with Thibaut-Flement today who's a French international,

45:04

but they've gone for Jack Willis. Do you know

45:06

what I mean? Yeah. If

45:08

he ain't good enough to play for England or even

45:10

have the opportunity, that's a talking point as well, right?

45:13

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yes, it's tough, man. And

45:15

there's ways you can get around it if

45:17

you don't want your younger talent leaving and

45:20

stuff like that. And the same is similar

45:22

to what Wells did when they put a cap limit on

45:24

it or whatever and that kind of thing.

45:26

There is compromise, but it doesn't have to be one way

45:28

or the other. So I hope

45:30

that something changes. And

45:33

to be honest, I don't even know if Jack would

45:35

qualify. I don't know how many caps he's got. I

45:37

don't think he would. But at

45:39

least you have the option to

45:41

come and make your mark in England and

45:43

then be able to change what you're doing,

45:45

do something a bit different without being constrained

45:48

to just put them up with you.

45:50

Because that's the thing. With someone like Jack Corts,

45:53

I don't know what he gets paid over in Toulouse. I'm

45:55

going to put a number on that. I'm going to guess maybe 350

45:57

plus. Yeah. All right, 300,

45:59

350. 50 plus. Yeah. Like there's no

46:01

way of fitting him in the cap is there

46:03

in the prem? Now what team does he go

46:05

to like that? He's gonna get that. He's just

46:07

not gonna get that So it's almost like the

46:09

impossible challenge. Yeah, and obviously if he goes back

46:11

to prem Yeah, he'll put money out from England,

46:13

but it'll still be do value in himself And

46:15

it's not guaranteed money if he gets an in

46:17

will you rely like it's that much that mercy

46:19

goes back to Gloucester and doesn't Guess yeah. Yeah.

46:21

So what was the point? Yeah, I mean so

46:23

like I said, I think some has got a

46:25

change I don't know when or

46:28

where or what but there is compromise to be

46:30

had and I think we should look into how we do

46:32

it Yeah, I feel like we're getting all political when I

46:34

get you on course just because Last

46:36

time you were chatting but mate we'll keep

46:38

it positive We'll stay upbeat because a couple

46:41

of stand-out performances from Exeter. Yeah, I'm annual

46:43

failure both. So again now We've

46:45

spoke about it before he got capped before

46:48

he knew he was English or Welsh or

46:50

German whatever it was Make

46:52

that last a superstar but even against to lose.

46:54

He's just a phenomenal I know it's easy to

46:56

start fanboying players But mate

46:58

is meters after cat like collisions is meters

47:00

after contact his leg drive. He's a freakin

47:03

me Yeah He is and he really is

47:05

he's one of the best athletes you'll probably

47:07

find in the product rugby at the minute

47:09

and he's up There in terms of athleticism

47:11

with the likes of like how the survey

47:13

or people are that who are

47:15

just so power and Slight

47:17

similar slides is that there as well,

47:19

you know boys that can just are

47:22

so strong so fast so

47:24

powerful Freeman Similarly and you're

47:26

gonna get more and more these kind of people in

47:28

the game but he he get he does he does

47:31

found out and You know

47:33

Hopefully he just continues to go from strength to

47:35

strength touch woody You can stay fit and just

47:37

continue to play and develop as a real player

47:40

The big question is though Jim can Quinn's go over

47:42

and do a job against to lose into lose as

47:45

well I know it's in the football stadium, but it's

47:47

still into those a bit weird. That's in the football

47:49

stadium I don't get all I understand. It's meant to

47:51

be a neutral ground in the home to other this

47:53

is just rugby, mate But actually it might be quite

47:56

good Yeah, that's what we do course. That's

47:58

what we do. We just change it up I

48:00

don't know, I would say no, but

48:02

after that game in Bordeaux,

48:05

like I've said, like Corse has said, like many

48:07

people say, you've got a team that's up and

48:09

down, but Toulouse, one of the

48:11

most decorated teams in the tournament, you can't

48:14

see them not making a final, but is

48:16

there this kind of soft underbelly of French

48:18

teams? Corse, does that still exist? I know

48:20

you're going to breathe, which is a good

48:22

move. Hey, you announced it on the pod

48:25

as well, but there still is

48:27

that. You know, you chat to anyone in France,

48:29

like there is, and Biggs was talking about it

48:32

as well, he's like just there up and down

48:34

emotionally. Yeah. Could they slip up to a

48:36

Harley Quinn's or do you think that that is just

48:38

a step too far? I don't

48:40

think that Quinn's are going to find

48:42

Toulouse on an off day. No, that's

48:45

down to the players they've got

48:47

in their team, the character that

48:49

DuPont is, the quality of coaching and stuff like

48:51

that. I don't think Quinn's are going to find

48:53

them on an off day. That doesn't mean they

48:56

can't win necessarily, but

48:58

they're going to have to have a few things

49:00

going their favour, you know, I'd imagine, and they're

49:03

going to have to be on

49:05

it like they've never been before. So

49:07

to wrap it up, lads, who makes the

49:09

final? I would

49:12

love to see, because

49:14

Corse is here, a Northampton Toulouse.

49:16

And I say that because it's at

49:18

the Tottenham Stadium, right? So you think

49:20

of the Northampton faithful travelling down.

49:22

I don't know how you get to Tottenham from Northampton.

49:24

The M1, there's only one motorway. That's

49:27

one, yeah. Yeah, straight down. Straight

49:29

down the M1. I just think

49:32

my point of view, I think you've got, it's

49:34

almost prime to be a Leinster Toulouse final,

49:37

but would I put

49:39

my mortgage on it? I wouldn't. You

49:41

know, would I put the Mercedes Ford Galaxy on it? Yeah,

49:43

I probably would because I bloody ate the car. I ate

49:46

the shine. Corse, what car have you got?

49:48

What family car have you got? We've got an Audi

49:50

and we had a Bentley. Oh, yeah, but

49:52

you ain't fitting. That'd be because you got four like

49:54

me. Yeah, no, we are. The Bentley's got seven, six

49:56

mates. And... Beck!

50:00

We've got a Q7 that's got

50:02

seven seats as well, so we're

50:04

doing alright mate. Courts

50:07

mate, they ain't getting four courtly laws kids

50:09

in the back of a Q7 mate. You

50:11

are mate, I promise you. Really? Yeah,

50:14

yeah. Fucking hell, I look like a right idiot when

50:16

I rock up in the Ford Galaxy. I was hoping

50:18

someone would steal it, they ain't stealing them, they're stealing

50:20

Range Rovers. Right, so if you

50:22

had to put your Bentley on it, do you think

50:24

that I'm not going to ask you on your game,

50:26

but Quinzell to lose? Yeah, you've got to go to

50:29

lose, but I'm not counting out Quinz.

50:31

You can't, you can't count them out. You can't

50:33

count out Quinz. You can't, I won't do it

50:35

now. Robby you got, who's your final?

50:38

I said to lose. Another boy. Purely

50:40

because Courtney Loughs is sat on the phone with us,

50:42

and I'm easily swayed. Challenge

50:45

Cup then, who watched it? Anyone? Course,

50:48

I know you would have been all over that. I

50:52

did watch a bit of Gloucester, but I actually

50:54

forgot massively about what happened in the game and

50:56

this is no reflection on the Sharks and Edinburgh

50:58

game, but my message took a video of me

51:00

sleeping while it was on the second half because

51:02

I thought the Sharks had run away with it.

51:05

So I do feel like I've been chatting to

51:07

the head of brand because this

51:09

is crazy about the tournament, the fact that the

51:11

Sharks are going to be playing their game against

51:13

Clermont in London at the Stu. Do you know

51:16

what I mean? Yeah. This is

51:18

the thing, I look, stay positive Jim, stay positive.

51:20

So we were just talking about basically

51:22

getting Ebonette, Sibeth and Bogum and Ambiena,

51:25

studio to promote the game.

51:28

Two days before, but there's a big South African

51:31

contingent, but no Gloucester on Friday night. I'm going

51:33

to say a big win against Osprey's, like Gloucester

51:35

are now in a position where they won the

51:37

Prem Cup against Leicester. They then

51:39

went to Walford Road, beat Leicester. The premiership's

51:41

obviously gone for them, like we all know

51:44

that, but you know, if they come away

51:46

from this season, having won the Prem Cup and

51:49

then Challenge Cup final, like Gloucester have come

51:51

good and this is, I don't know, it's

51:53

hard was it? Because I've almost belittled the

51:55

tournament a little bit court, because it's like

51:57

being in the plate, right? Yeah, yeah.

52:00

in the plate but you've got to be in it

52:02

to win it and Gloucester have got a good team.

52:04

They've, you know, Zat Murs has just come back

52:06

as well, you know, Lewis Ludlow as well, friend

52:09

of the show, big mate of mine as well

52:11

and they've had a tough time with the premiership

52:13

and with changes, they've struggled to lock down a

52:16

10, Adam Hastings is obviously going back up to

52:18

Glasgow but yeah I'm happy for the Lads at

52:20

Gloucester, that's a good win against Ospreay, it's a

52:22

great game but it is

52:24

what it is. Yeah definitely and there's still some

52:26

good teams in that in that tournament you know,

52:28

you've got to be punching well to go and

52:30

win it and if you do win it then

52:32

it's, you know, something to be celebrated definitely. Yeah

52:34

it's a big shout out as well, I mentioned

52:36

Adam Hastings, sick bit of skill that producer Rob

52:38

put up on social media and that's flying now.

52:40

I don't even know what it was, it was

52:42

like around the back through the leg, kicked through,

52:46

and then he actually knocked it through somebody else's leg

52:48

too, it was pretty good as well. Yeah they were

52:50

like, did they score? I said they're fucking, don't matter

52:52

if they scored, like there's a sick bit of skill.

52:55

Yeah it was unreal, so big shout out

52:57

to Adam Hastings, big shout out to the

52:59

skips, Lewis Ludlow as well but Carreras got

53:01

18 points off the boot and they've booked

53:03

a home semi-final so it looks

53:06

like Gloucester are going to go

53:08

do something in that tournament this year and

53:10

then Clermont absolutely hosed Ulster,

53:12

so we're seeing Clermont in the Challenge

53:14

Cup but yeah 33 unanswered

53:16

points in the second half and this is

53:19

a weird stat. I don't know what you

53:21

think Cor, so I'm a little bit older

53:23

than you but we played in the same

53:25

generation, but Clermont are going for

53:27

their fourth Challenge Cup win, like

53:29

does that sound a bit weird or not?

53:31

That does sound weird yeah. Joint most Challenge

53:33

Cups tied with wins. So they got knocked

53:35

out a lot then. Yeah well they got

53:37

knocked out at the top one didn't they,

53:39

like they always remember, because I remember Ben

53:41

Cazer who I was at Leicester with, we

53:43

were not joking about Clermont, we called them

53:45

chokers and he came up to me, he

53:47

was fuming, that I said it like, gender

53:49

like as it was all mace, so he's

53:51

that passionate about it but yeah Clermont absolutely

53:53

hosed Ulster and they're going to be playing

53:55

against the Sharks at the stoop and the

53:57

Sharks looking good, make good quality players. We

54:00

went all in on South Africa, but

54:02

they've got Bongi and Bernambi, Zoli and

54:04

Mepimpe, Ebonette and Sébeth. Will they

54:06

put their best team out? Yes, because the

54:08

URC has gone for them. So,

54:10

yeah, I think it's gone. They're coming back.

54:13

But again, it's a hard one. It is the elephant in

54:15

the room, right? So you think of how congested, I've not

54:18

got access to the fixtures right now, but you think the

54:20

Sharks having to come to London to play a Challenge Cup

54:22

game. You know what I mean? In between the six, it's

54:24

a long way. It's a long way for the Challenge Cup,

54:26

but yeah, they had a good win against

54:28

Edinburgh and we'll give a shout out to Grant Gilchrist, 200th

54:30

cap. No. 200th cap

54:33

for Edinburgh. Make quality play. Understated player,

54:35

Grant Gilchrist. Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah.

54:38

Perfect. Don't sleep on Benetton either. It'll

54:40

eat good Six Nations, Benetton flying. There

54:42

we go, Rob. Don't sleep on Benetton.

54:44

There we go. Don't

54:46

sleep on Benetton. No, they beat Connaught that

54:48

game, the Sunday, the graveyard shift and

54:51

yeah, they're in the last four for the

54:53

second season running. So, stuff's happening at Benetton.

54:55

They've got Gloucester. Tough place to go. A

54:57

friend of the show said they're great. Skipper,

55:00

McKelly, Lamoureaux, Menoncello. They've

55:03

got some quality players, Benetton. Yeah. What's

55:06

your view on Italy? Like they are definitely improving.

55:08

They've got some freak athletes as well coming

55:10

through. Yeah, nice class. It is class. The

55:12

Six Nations was a bit tough for them

55:14

as well because they obviously really should have

55:17

beaten France. And, you know, if

55:19

they hit, imagine if they'd have won that

55:21

game as well. That's, you know, they're at

55:23

three, third, second. Yeah. You know what I

55:25

mean? Yeah, third. Yeah, second, third. If

55:27

I didn't see Italy in third or

55:29

second place in the Six Nations, that

55:32

would have been bonkers, mate. So, yeah,

55:34

they're absolutely without a doubt improving as

55:36

a nation. And things like this

55:38

only help the

55:40

game, the funding, getting the players

55:42

better equipment, staff, all that

55:44

kind of stuff. And then hopefully, obviously, this

55:47

is years out of line, the new generations of

55:49

players come in. Yeah. Do

55:51

you still think, right, you know, we're talking

55:53

about we're flip-flopping in between competitions. Now we've

55:55

got a break between the quarterfinals, two weeks,

55:58

and the semifinal. It's just a bit of a bit bitty,

56:00

something that I speak about, it's not meant to be

56:02

negative but because it blew up last time when we

56:04

were talking about the state of the game a little

56:06

bit. Is that something that you

56:08

think about or not that you'd rather just roll

56:11

straight into a semi-final, get up

56:13

to Croke Park and just stick with

56:15

one tournament or do you like the fact that it flip-flops

56:17

between a few? No, I think I'd

56:19

prefer it to kind of flip, I think

56:21

your semi-finals and your finals should

56:24

be towards the end of the city, like further on in

56:26

the season, like more of a spectacle, do you know what

56:28

I mean, and kind of build up to it. And

56:30

also it does give

56:33

you a different challenge as a team, being

56:35

able to get up for a massive quarter-final

56:37

and then you've got a prime game the

56:39

next week and you have to stay focused.

56:41

So it's quite good in that

56:44

aspect because you have to be on the money

56:46

every week, which is good, I think. Yeah, what

56:48

about the South African team has been in? I'm

56:50

an old romantic, I am. So I still

56:52

call it Europe but I have to call it

56:55

Champions Cup. I don't really get it. I mean,

56:57

Europe is Europe, isn't it? And I'm not saying

56:59

this because I don't want the teams in

57:01

there, but why are we calling it

57:03

Europe if it's not? It's hard, isn't it? What

57:06

can I say? It is what it is. But

57:08

it doesn't make any sense. Yeah,

57:11

I know. But that's what I mean, but you

57:13

have got influence and I think the players are

57:15

now talking about the structures of the game, like

57:17

the money in the game. We've kind of flipped

57:19

that back and forth about English lads playing in

57:21

France and they can't play for England, yet you've

57:23

got South Africa players dotted all over the country,

57:25

yet they go back and play for South Africa.

57:27

Arnie Survey is talking about the lads playing in

57:29

Japan and that they need to open up the

57:31

doors to have players play elsewhere because that's what

57:33

South Africa do. Do you know what I mean?

57:35

There's a lot of kind of stuff which is

57:37

great because there's loads of talking points, but I

57:39

just think you're well placed and influential to

57:41

be able to be... Look, these things, these conversations

57:43

do need to accelerate because when you're going to

57:45

breathe and you're in the Champions Cup, you

57:47

ain't wanting to go down to the fucking

57:49

balls, are you? Play altitude. I

57:52

know. Yeah, mate, yeah. And it

57:54

is. Logistically, it's a flipping nightmare.

57:56

Do you know what I mean? It

57:58

just is. It's part of it. part

58:00

of the reason why we've not had

58:03

teams putting out the best teams in

58:05

this top 16 in

58:07

these quarterfinal phases. Obviously now going into

58:09

the semis, you're going to get the

58:13

teams putting out the best, but really and

58:15

truly you should see the best players available

58:18

every game. And the reason

58:20

it's not is because logistically

58:22

it's not really beatable.

58:25

And on top of that, some

58:27

of the fixtures, especially for the

58:29

top 16 that have been

58:31

replayed, we beat Munster last, we

58:34

won every game in our pool,

58:36

Munster won one game at

58:38

the pool and then they've got an

58:40

opportunity to come to our place and knock

58:42

us out of competition. I was

58:44

like, how does that make any sense whatsoever? And

58:47

obviously you've got a lot of motivation if you've

58:49

just been being at home, you're hurting all

58:51

this kind of stuff. It's not that long ago,

58:53

the Apple kind of thing. So

58:55

you're in a pretty good position to go

58:57

and do that. So I felt personally pretty

58:59

put out about the fact that

59:02

you've just beaten the team away from home

59:04

and now you've got to play them again

59:06

in the knockout. They didn't really sit

59:08

right with me and I don't think the fans

59:10

wanted to see all this such

59:12

similar fixtures. I think there was only one

59:14

fixture that hadn't been played already or that

59:16

you wouldn't see outside of any other

59:19

competition kind of thing. So, you know,

59:21

some rejigging needs to be done, I think. Well,

59:24

Courtney, now you said that mate, they're going to rejig

59:26

it probably for next year because you're that influential, but

59:28

you'll be a breeze. So you might not read the

59:30

words of it. I know. How

59:32

much are you looking forward to that course? It's

59:34

a big old move. I'm sure it's a decent

59:36

deal for you as well, but you'll want to

59:39

finish Northampton on a high, but Collek, just give

59:41

us an overview of the choice of

59:43

going there. You might know the reason why,

59:45

but also how excited you are to go

59:47

and try something completely different, which breathe will

59:50

be. Yeah, I'm actually super excited. Maybe like

59:52

maybe a bit naively excited because obviously I've

59:54

not. I've only been saying

59:56

it's all I know and I kind

59:58

of part of the furniture there. So I've

1:00:01

got no idea of what

1:00:04

different club cultures are like, what it's going to

1:00:06

be like to go down there and play in

1:00:08

a different team. But regardless, I'm very excited. If

1:00:10

I'm honest, I'm not thinking too much about it

1:00:12

at the minute. I'm still pretty

1:00:14

determined to do a good job this season and

1:00:16

hopefully down in the line we'll end up with

1:00:19

something to put in the trophy cabinet. But at

1:00:21

the end of the day, I just want to do

1:00:24

as proud as a team, regardless if we win anything

1:00:26

or not. I want to play in my heart for

1:00:28

the boys, give the rest of this

1:00:30

season to the club that I've given

1:00:32

my entire career to. Are you quite

1:00:34

emotional? Are you an emotional man with your

1:00:36

players? I would say I'm emotional. I love

1:00:39

being with the boys, love being around the

1:00:41

club, around the lads. But

1:00:43

no, I'm not a super emotional person at all. They

1:00:45

mean a lot to me. I'd like

1:00:47

people to know that, but probably won't share a

1:00:49

tear over it. But that's not because it doesn't mean

1:00:52

a lot to me. It's just because

1:00:55

I've got a heart. I've got a cold heart. But

1:00:58

it is looking at you. It

1:01:01

is all business, right? You're going out there like

1:01:03

it is business. It's your job. It's

1:01:06

not like I'm leaving Northampton for good,

1:01:08

man. I'm going out a couple of

1:01:10

years, have a little adventure, do my

1:01:13

best for a brief, come back to Northampton. My boys

1:01:15

are going to go to boys school, same school. I

1:01:17

went to, we're going to fit back into Northampton. I'm still

1:01:19

going to be involved in the club in some way, shape

1:01:21

or form and things will quickly

1:01:24

get back to normal, I'd imagine. Yeah. Well,

1:01:27

hopefully we'll get you on anyway

1:01:29

before the Champions Cup final. You know what I

1:01:31

mean? Or the pro final or something like that.

1:01:33

So this isn't the end. This is just until

1:01:35

we speak to you again, courts. But mate, class

1:01:38

to have you on as always. Massive win for

1:01:40

Northampton against the balls flying in the prem.

1:01:42

Mate, things are going well. So we'll be

1:01:44

we'll be rooting for you, Billy. Thank you,

1:01:47

mate. Appreciate it. Legend

1:01:49

courts. Cheers, mate. I'm

1:01:51

off to Japan. That is sick. Yeah. I'm

1:01:54

going to interview Eddie. Oh, not real.

1:01:56

Mate, I'll just leave you with this

1:01:58

quickly. So Eddie Jones, his one. Thing

1:02:00

that he needs he needs a briefcase with yen in

1:02:02

it to be handed over to do the interview He's

1:02:06

Alfred me Where

1:02:08

to go I swear that's the only

1:02:10

way I'll do the interview is with

1:02:12

a briefcase Yeah,

1:02:15

he specified a briefcase We're

1:02:20

gonna make yeah, we're gonna make content out of it exactly

1:02:22

that so he's getting this good could be jingling around So

1:02:30

it'd be good. I'm looking forward to going so I

1:02:32

go four in the morning. No, it's me. Have a

1:02:34

safe journey anyway Yeah, legend man. I might get choked

1:02:36

out by some k1 guys as well So we're going

1:02:38

to see a few of the kickboxing stuff as well

1:02:44

Yeah, of course nice boys I'll catch you

1:02:46

in a bit Couple

1:02:48

of shout out to the finish gym. All right,

1:02:50

Rob. Do you want me to go first or

1:02:53

you you will first is the Mouthful the first

1:02:55

one. Okay. Well, it's a historic one Rob because

1:02:57

this week for Bradford and Bingley They

1:02:59

were bank when they back in today Bradford and Bingley,

1:03:01

I don't know they were there you go We know if

1:03:03

we know on all the banks, of course we do

1:03:05

but the Bradford and Bingley RFC Who

1:03:08

are taking a senior team and effects

1:03:10

team as well all the way to

1:03:12

Scotland to my hometown or city of

1:03:14

Edinburgh? Akis on Saturday the

1:03:16

20th of April Unfortunately, I'll be in Japan,

1:03:19

but they are here to rekindle what

1:03:21

is allegedly the oldest England Scotland Club

1:03:23

game in the world So

1:03:26

good luck to the lads from Bradford and Bingley

1:03:29

and I'll be cheering on the ed of rackies

1:03:31

obviously But enjoy it's gonna be out of a

1:03:33

bus trip. I'll tell you that regardless windows or

1:03:35

draw imagine the bus trip all after that Megan

1:03:38

another shout out quick one here to

1:03:40

Joe Curley his dad Dave and his

1:03:42

father-in-law mutley We're all going to watch

1:03:45

the Cyprus V Malta game on the

1:03:47

4th of May actually out

1:03:49

in Cyprus So Joe says that his parents

1:03:51

moved there from England, but his family are

1:03:54

actually Maltese So it's a bit

1:03:56

of a grudge match within the family dad supporting

1:03:58

Cyprus, which is his new home team So

1:04:00

he's changed allegiance that I gave Jim back

1:04:02

in the day. That's fine. That's

1:04:04

fine. That's absolutely fine But Joe is

1:04:06

sticking to his guns and supporting

1:04:09

Malta So let's hope that mutley

1:04:11

the father-in-law can separate them if it all goes name

1:04:13

up Lee or not really is his name up Lee

1:04:15

or is that just banter? I mean, that's what the

1:04:17

email says. That's what the email says. Well, hey Mutley

1:04:20

the blokes want to watch Malta against Cyprus. So, you

1:04:22

know, you like Ruby when you go to watch that Don't

1:04:24

you of course? Yeah, he's definitely called mutley. We'll have

1:04:26

a good one lads Right and

1:04:28

the last one for the week goes out to

1:04:30

Swanage and wear them under 14s Hopefully

1:04:33

they're not listening to this podcast a little bit

1:04:35

too loose But if their parents are they have

1:04:38

just won the Dorset and Wiltshire Cup final 21

1:04:41

points to 19 against Bournemouth Thank

1:04:43

you for the Bournemouth for a bit all

1:04:45

the parents and coaches are properly proud of

1:04:47

the boys Describing them as the most amazing

1:04:49

team and always supporting each other through

1:04:51

thick and thin so proper

1:04:53

rugby values Well done to

1:04:56

Swanage and wear them. Well,

1:04:58

thanks James Well, thank you Roberto

1:05:00

big. Thank you to Courtney laws But the

1:05:02

biggest thank you's got to go to all

1:05:04

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Yeah, I've got that picture you in the change room at the

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1:05:18

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they pay the bills. Yeah, they do pay the bills

1:05:29

I did say Spotify as well, but we'll just say

1:05:31

it three times a Spotify Spotify But it leads me

1:05:34

to say Rob you're gonna do one as well this

1:05:36

week rubby spot What do I

1:05:38

say though? Do I say spotty Potter? So I'll make up my own make up

1:05:40

your own Whatever you feel so

1:05:42

let me do it again. Rubby spot go Rob.

1:05:44

Where's yours? But a pod pod pod are both

1:05:47

on the same scooty. That's fine. That's fine. See

1:05:49

you later. Can it you are off to Japan?

1:05:51

See you later you