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1:03

Hey, I'm Chris Caffaro. And I'm Nick

1:05

Caffaro. We are real life brothers who play

1:07

fake life brothers Reed and Easton Royal on

1:09

the hit podcast the royals of Malibu. On

1:11

this companion podcast we'll be doing a deep

1:13

dive into each episode, giving behind the scenes

1:16

insights, talking to some special guests, and maybe

1:18

even having some laughs along the way. Welcome

1:20

to the Royal Boys. Nicholas,

1:23

what's up buddy? Hello Christopher. Dude, it's our

1:26

second to last episode, our penultimate episode of

1:28

this season. You know what I'm going to

1:30

say? What are you going to say? Can

1:33

you even believe it? I can't

1:35

believe it, Nick. When are

1:37

you going to start believing? I don't know. I

1:39

mean, it's done. We're done. We

1:41

did it. It's like... Yeah,

1:44

that's true. We have a great interview lined up

1:46

with a very special guest, but first we have

1:48

a little bit of housekeeping before we jump into

1:50

the episode. I'm not sweeping

1:52

your floor again. You have to

1:54

clean the bathroom at least. I'll do

1:56

your laundry. Okay, first of all, lasagna

1:59

of the week. goes to

2:01

my brother. What? Yeah

2:03

I'm giving you all the time yet. Why? Because we

2:06

can announce and it

2:09

will air accordingly. You are

2:11

currently filming a role on

2:13

the hit television show Grey's Anatomy. Oh thank

2:16

you very much. It's so freaking cool dude.

2:18

Thank you yeah it's very cool I'm very

2:20

very lucky. So be sure to watch our

2:22

sweet sweet Nicky boy on Grey's Anatomy in

2:26

what in April maybe? Late

2:30

March? No I think it I

2:32

think the season premieres in late March and

2:34

then I'm at episode four I believe. Episode

2:36

four of this new season. I'm so excited

2:38

you get you've heard the voice

2:40

now you get to see the face. Oh

2:42

wow thank you thank you. Brace yourself it

2:45

is it is quite a mug. No no

2:47

the Grey's Anatomy has a great makeup department.

2:51

So they fixed it up nice. They fixed

2:53

up Nick's Anatomy. And secondly

2:55

and I think it's safe for us to announce

2:58

we have a very exciting very special

3:00

guest for our final episode which will

3:03

be airing a week after this episode.

3:05

That's true. Who's it gonna be Nick?

3:11

I don't know if I should say it. Okay I'm

3:13

gonna say it. The one

3:15

the only Ella Sinclair

3:17

herself Alyssa McKay is

3:19

joining us! Yeah.

3:22

Oh I'm so excited it's the

3:25

perfect way to wrap up an

3:27

amazing season finale but

3:29

we're so excited to have her but first let's

3:32

not get ahead of ourselves because we have a really great

3:35

episode lined up right now. Yeah you're gonna recognize

3:37

this guest as soon as he

3:39

speaks. He's got that sweet sweet velvet

3:42

and it's not me.

3:45

Nick you want to lead us

3:47

in and introduce our guest? Absolutely

3:49

I do. Our next guest needs

3:51

no introduction. You will recognize him

3:53

by his beautiful voice. Just

3:56

About every single guest we've had is asked

3:58

about him and this. Iconic.

4:00

Voice that he so generously shared

4:02

with the show. Ladies and gentlemen,

4:05

give it up for the voice

4:07

of Callum Royal Mystery Harm and

4:09

Taylor. Hi Nice to

4:11

all I knew I knew

4:13

it. All

4:16

sides oh there's it's all fake

4:18

arm and thank you so much

4:20

for joining us. Things

4:23

around me. My son's. In

4:26

our first season we've had a lot of really

4:28

cool find different guess from different walks of life

4:30

in everything's but I think they can. I will

4:32

agree when you have someone from the show with

4:34

a lot of fun because. You.

4:37

Have a shorthand and you can talk about the.

4:39

Stuff So so happy to have you.

4:42

Are. And. We were so

4:45

lucky work with you on two seasons, you

4:47

are asked about all the time, yeah, we're

4:49

very lucky work with you, you are like.

4:52

Epitome of a professional. Oh.

4:55

Bonus or you both from usual fantastic

4:58

it's we're that you're not wearing a

5:00

shirt right now actually because you are

5:02

usually are so professional so it's listeners.

5:05

Arm in the who's not ours and

5:07

I just start and he has a

5:10

single plane going. Through both

5:12

of his nipples. it's a while.

5:14

those nipples the I recall that

5:16

The Laundry rise. Yeah. You. Could

5:18

do it. was above that if you wanted. And

5:21

I have as your son. But

5:24

the truth is you're wearing a beautiful

5:26

sweater and you are in a what

5:28

looks to be a beautiful sound studio.

5:30

My, you definitely have the best set

5:33

up have any when we've spoken to

5:35

yet. Ah young's where it

5:37

on most of my my drawn from. Yeah

5:39

well let's start there. Let's start with their with

5:42

the the Voice of God. A

5:44

where I'll see use this thing. Ah

5:47

mean time to on

5:49

video games. Commercials promos

5:52

for. Hims. he's

5:56

the voice of nicole kidman in

5:58

the a m c i am

6:00

your voice Nicole Kebbe, yes. Because

6:03

here they are. Yes. It

6:06

feels better when it's painful. Hot

6:08

bake feels good in a place like this.

6:10

Yes, that's the line, hot bake. Yeah. I'm

6:14

also the Hulk in Spidey and His Amazing Friends

6:16

on Disney Junior. Oh wow. So if you have

6:19

a kid or a nephew or a niece

6:21

or someone who watches that show, you

6:23

might have heard me. Can we get a little taste? Oh

6:27

hi Spidey, how's it going? We

6:29

had to make the Hulk kind of like not too

6:31

aggressive because, you know, kids. That's

6:35

amazing. I love it.

6:37

There's a little like Patrick from SpongeBob in

6:39

there. Yeah, a little bit.

6:41

Yeah, we kind of doped him up a little bit because it's not like

6:45

marijuana dope. Oh again, old man phrase.

6:47

Like marijuana dope. Old man alarm. You're

6:49

so fucking old. Marijuana dope.

6:51

You kids smoking those weed sticks?

6:55

You're doing the refund. The devil's lettuce. Armin,

7:00

you are definitely the most accomplished

7:02

voiceover actor in the

7:04

cast. So you and you brought

7:07

that level of knowledge and professionalism with you

7:09

into the booth, which was really great to feed

7:11

off of and really set a great example

7:13

for everyone else. My question about

7:15

this voice and not to like keep harping

7:17

on your beautiful velvety deep

7:19

voice, but I'm curious to know. But

7:22

you can if you want. At

7:24

what age did it drop to where it

7:26

is now? Because I love this idea of

7:28

it dropping before you fully went through puberty

7:30

and you being like, oh,

7:32

you're also very tall for our viewers. You

7:34

being like six three prepubescent and

7:37

just talking like this. No,

7:41

sadly, it did

7:43

get deep, I guess, in like high

7:45

school or something. Like I my growth

7:47

spurt. Like

7:50

in fifth grade, most of the girls were my

7:52

height or maybe even taller. And

7:54

then in seventh grade, I was the tallest

7:56

person in the class. Yeah. So like it

7:58

was a quick like acceleration. Um hit

8:01

my head a lot getting in the car doors or

8:03

getting into cars because I like misjudged the height of

8:05

things. Yeah But

8:09

no my voice was I think kind of the

8:11

normal teenage boy voice I think I got deep

8:15

Deeper later. I think I don't recall

8:17

being like Nick

8:19

what do you say we hop into this

8:22

epi? Yeah, I think we

8:24

hop right into it. I mean this is Very

8:26

serendipitous. I've said this a lot with our guests.

8:28

But yes episode 12 i'm

8:31

going fucking nuclear Wow,

8:34

good title So we know this is going

8:36

to be a crazy one and this this

8:38

episode actually takes a turn that we're not

8:41

used to it's only Happened once before we start

8:43

in a different pov. We start from brooks point

8:46

of view Uh the voice

8:48

actress burgundy trejo phoenix who did

8:50

an incredible job as brook um

8:53

and We start with her Kind

8:56

of treating herself in a bathtub and she's talking

8:58

about all the stress that she has she says

9:00

there's nothing better than taking your fake Baby bump

9:03

off at the end of a long day, which

9:05

I can totally relate to. I don't

9:07

know about you armin Yes,

9:10

very well nick you do it. Yeah, you can

9:12

get a seat on the subway and you know

9:14

people treat you different Yeah,

9:17

it's it's total just start me like i'm

9:19

a freak but you know, well Because

9:22

you live up north in seattle

9:24

where they're notoriously regressive and uh,

9:27

yes, exactly. Yes. Yeah The

9:30

most cripplingly conservative state in the

9:32

year. Yeah, that's what they say rainy

9:36

and conservative, um and

9:38

no But

9:43

so well that would have been how I enjoyed

9:45

the bathtub with a cup of coffee But brooks

9:47

enjoying it with some uh wine and

9:49

a lot of stuff goes on here. She Like

9:51

because we ended the last episode on that clip

9:54

hanger of it the baby not being real and

9:56

now we fully know the story It's fake. She's

9:58

like calum always wonders why I stay in

10:00

my condo alone most nights because obviously she's

10:02

hiding it from him. And then

10:04

we get a phone call from Dinah. Chris, you

10:06

want to take it from here? Well, real quickly,

10:09

two things. First of all, I want to say I'm a

10:12

bath guy. And like a lot

10:14

of people are not – I don't have a

10:16

bathtub in my current apartment, but I did in

10:18

my last one in New York and

10:20

it was wonderful. And

10:23

people make fun of me, including my girlfriend.

10:26

She thinks baths are gross because she was like,

10:28

it's just people soup. You're just like stewing in

10:30

your own soup. And I'm like, that's

10:33

not true. I mean,

10:35

it is a little true, but any bathers

10:37

here? Well, I've had people soup before, so

10:39

I don't appreciate her calling baths that. That's

10:42

first off. Second,

10:45

they sell it at Wendy's. Yeah.

10:48

Wendy's? Do that. Wendy's.

10:51

Wendy's. Wendy's. Wendy's. And it's

10:53

called Chili. Remember

10:57

when they found a finger in the chili or like a

10:59

rumor? Wendy's

11:01

is not a sponsor. That

11:05

was one of those rumors that went around

11:07

like every school everywhere in America at the

11:09

same time, right? Which by

11:11

the way, isn't it a miracle that –

11:13

I mean, here at Old Manalone, you're so

11:15

fucking old. We didn't have social media to

11:18

the extent that we were in high

11:20

school and we still got shit that

11:22

like other schools in other states got.

11:24

It's amazing how the original

11:27

social media was just like going

11:29

to summer camp and hearing your

11:32

one friend whose parents didn't care about him

11:34

who like had porn who was like, this

11:36

is what porn is. Yeah.

11:40

And like how every school and everyone

11:42

heard the rumor that Marilyn Manson removed

11:45

one of his – or two of his ribs

11:47

or something. Yeah. Pleasure. Everyone

11:50

knew that as fact. Like that was fact when you were

11:52

a kid of our age.

11:54

That's so funny. So

11:56

anyway, I'm a bad guy. I'm a

11:58

big proponent of baths. everyone

12:00

should take more. I love baths

12:02

too but I don't take one because I have

12:05

a roommate and it's just like if I had

12:07

my own home with a nice clean bath I

12:09

totally would take more. Yeah cleanliness is a major

12:11

factor in the bath game. Yeah

12:14

I just like the sensation of running

12:16

water like going over me so much

12:18

like yes baths are nice but like

12:20

they're very relaxing but

12:22

I just like the process of being under

12:25

like a big stream of running water it's

12:27

like delightful. And that's why you live in Seattle.

12:29

The other thing I want to say is you

12:33

know she's living this fake pregnancy lie.

12:35

I and Nick you said you're not a

12:38

good liar earlier and I'm

12:40

not a great liar because the

12:42

stress of having to maintain a

12:45

lie. Could you imagine having to

12:47

maintain a lie of this magnitude? So my question is

12:49

like for either of you can you

12:51

think of a time where you have a

12:53

very stressful lie that you had to

12:56

sort of maintain? No because I'm not

12:58

good at lying. So

13:00

I usually don't. Yeah that's

13:04

like if I do I have to come clean pretty quickly.

13:07

Yeah I definitely totally

13:09

relatively benign. I remember having to because I didn't

13:12

do as well in school as I should have

13:14

one one year. I remember in like fifth

13:17

grade like running up to the mailbox to

13:19

intercept the report

13:21

card from my like elementary school so I could

13:23

just double check it and it wasn't great or

13:25

like something like that. It wasn't great or like

13:28

I needed to explain something so I like hid

13:30

it in my room to buy myself time. And

13:32

that was the most stressful like 24 hours of

13:34

my life as a fifth grader. I was like

13:36

I can't live with myself like this is too

13:39

much. Like every time my parents walked in

13:41

my room I just imagined their eyes were like boom there

13:43

behind the cushion there there's the report

13:46

card. No so

13:48

I don't know how Brooke does it. I mean the amount

13:50

of I remember actually being in the

13:53

studio thinking about this as

13:55

like how do you explain to your

13:57

fiance why you are leaving every single

14:00

night for months on end. Like how often did that

14:02

escalate into, babe, you're being ridiculous. Like, why don't you

14:04

just stay or like, why don't I come with you?

14:06

And she's like, no, I need my, like the

14:09

lie that you would then have to build upon

14:11

to build upon and like the amount of stress

14:13

and like having to change stories each time would

14:16

be just but also what does it say about

14:18

your character? Um, that I'm

14:20

like, Hey, babe, are you? What? Sorry.

14:24

Yeah, exactly. John, yeah, I'm telling a

14:26

deal in Escondido. Yeah, that

14:28

calums like, uh, I get the bed to

14:30

myself. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

14:33

Yeah. I don't think calums losing too

14:36

much on that. I think he's a

14:38

little annoyed and then it's like, not losing sleep. If

14:41

anything, he's gaining sleep because he gets to the bed

14:43

himself. Truly. Truly. I imagine

14:45

Callum has a fuck you huge bed.

14:47

Like bigger than a Cal King. Like

14:49

it's just like most of a room

14:51

is a bed. The Callum King, the

14:54

Malibu King. But you're right. A line

14:56

is stressful. And that's pretty

14:58

much what the whole first half of this episode is,

15:01

is how she's dealing with the stress and she's doing

15:03

it with baths and drinking wine and taking gummies and

15:05

then it get weed gummies or,

15:07

uh, those, those, uh, marijuana weed gummies, as

15:09

you would say, hold me on alarm. Uh,

15:12

even more difficult when

15:16

Dinah calls her and is like, you said you

15:18

were going to release the self tape, sex tape,

15:20

self tape, Jesus Christ. This

15:24

audition. Tell me you're an actor

15:26

without telling me you're an actor.

15:28

Yeah. Yeah. Brooke Royal, five six

15:30

speaking representation. But

15:32

Dinah's like, where's the sex tape? I need it for

15:34

the lawsuit. Brooke is kind of having second thoughts

15:36

and then it's finally like, listen, you want the video?

15:38

Fine. But then you have to find me a real

15:40

baby, which is insane.

15:43

I get, I get you baby. Yeah.

15:45

She's a baby. I got a baby guy. What kind

15:47

of, give me, give me

15:49

the specs. I'll get you a baby by then. Just brings

15:52

in a baby that looks nothing like it could possibly be

15:54

related to her. What? And

15:56

Callum wouldn't even know cause he'd be on his phone. Oh

15:58

yeah. No idea. But

16:01

the thing that made me laugh is in

16:03

the scene, Brooke's like, don't pity me. And

16:06

I'm like, were we? Was

16:09

anybody pitying her? I

16:11

don't know. No part of me felt pity at that moment.

16:16

That is a very funny character trait to be like,

16:20

whenever you guys don't pity me, and

16:22

everyone's like, no one pities you, we

16:25

hate you. That is quite

16:27

a manipulative setup though. Get

16:29

me a baby and you'll get your tape. And

16:33

I like when we see Brooke be manipulative

16:35

and conniving and

16:39

kind of good at what she's doing. We saw it

16:42

a few episodes ago where we caught Ella going through

16:44

her stuff. But

16:47

it would be so easy to

16:49

paint the Brooke character as like

16:51

this oblivious Malibu stuck up, but

16:54

she's smart and she's shrewd. And

16:57

I like that aspect of it.

17:00

With both with the writing, to create that character,

17:02

but then also Burgundy, what she brought to it.

17:06

The first time I heard her drop

17:08

into like, no, I actually know what's going

17:10

on space. I was like, oh,

17:13

damn. Okay, there's a mastermind at work behind

17:15

the ditzy exterior and she brought both to

17:17

life so well. Yeah, and it's, yeah, credit

17:19

to her and the writing and it's so

17:21

important. I think it's just so much more

17:23

fun to watch people that are good at

17:26

what they do or listen in this case.

17:28

But like, it's so important and sometimes you

17:30

forget about because you try to make these

17:32

characters that are, oh, you're the dumb one,

17:34

you're the silly one. But like, it's important

17:36

to have them be good at what they

17:39

do. I think a good example of

17:41

that is the office, the American office. Like

17:43

you have Michael Scott who just seems like an idiot. And

17:45

one of my friends wrote on the office, I remember talking

17:47

to him about this and he said, it was very important

17:50

for them. At one point, they

17:52

have an episode where he goes to make

17:54

a sale and he is very good at

17:56

it. And he like saves Jim or something.

18:00

he makes like a huge sale and it's like

18:02

we needed to show that like he was in

18:04

fact very good at his job. He's

18:06

just bad at being a boss because he wants

18:08

to be a comedian and everyone's friend. I think

18:10

that's a very important thing

18:13

to happen. That actually

18:15

came apparently from Ricky Gervais when

18:17

he was helping to adapt the

18:19

show from the UK version to

18:21

the US version. One of the

18:23

things he said to Greg Daniels,

18:25

the creator and the writers was

18:27

like you need to make your

18:29

version of Michael Scott not

18:31

an idiot because American audiences won't tolerate

18:33

it. He can be an idiot but he

18:35

can't be bad at what he does.

18:38

Yeah. Yeah. That's not something you're gonna

18:40

tolerate as an audience.

18:43

If Brooke was just a

18:45

raging ditz you'd be like oh come on like Callum's

18:48

gotta see through this. The family sees through

18:51

it. There's nothing redeemable here but then it's

18:53

like oh no she's very good at playing

18:55

all of them and I feel

18:58

like through the first season and this season you she

19:02

plays everybody without us all really realizing it and

19:04

then this episode is where you kind of get to

19:06

like fully see the extent of just

19:09

how deep she is into it. Yeah. Oh shit

19:11

like you are a force to be reckoned with

19:13

that is. And the toll that it's

19:15

taking on her. I mean we

19:17

have Callum you go

19:19

ahead and you pick her up and it's funny you

19:21

alluded to this earlier and she yells at you because

19:24

you're bringing her to a launch party but you're on your

19:26

phone trying to close a deal just not paying attention to

19:28

her but then I love it you bring her there and

19:31

you get there and there's like influencers and photo boosts and

19:33

it's like this whole old Hollywood cool setup and

19:35

you're like do you like it baby because you clearly

19:37

just wrote the check and paid for everything.

19:40

Oh yeah. But then go immediately to your

19:42

phone. But the stress stays with

19:44

Brooke and she runs to the

19:46

bathroom and has a panic attack and

19:48

is breathing heavily and Ella

19:50

who has been trying to call her

19:53

but has been constantly ignored finally catches up

19:55

to her and is like listen it's over

19:57

Brooke and they have another bathroom moment again.

20:00

And and then we hear

20:02

Brooke again with her conniving thoughts. That's why I

20:04

love that they did it from her perspective for

20:06

this first half. It's like what does Ella have on

20:08

me? Obviously we all know it's

20:10

Ella found out about the fake baby but yeah

20:13

just it's really cool to see those wheels turning

20:15

and Brooke there's so much more depth

20:18

there so kudos to the rider and

20:20

kudos to Burgundy and kudos to you

20:22

Callum for sticking with somebody

20:24

that is just so awful. Hey

20:26

you know I try to do the best to everyone

20:29

and write checks when necessary.

20:31

Well she's awful but there is I think

20:33

this episode shows there's an argument to be

20:35

made for Brooke's redeeming

20:37

qualities. Yes she's awful but

20:39

she's a woman who knows what she

20:41

wants. She's a small business owner baby

20:43

glam. She is you

20:46

know she came from nothing. She grew up

20:48

you know with nothing and her parents walked

20:50

out and everything so like you know

20:53

she's a self-made woman. Sort

20:55

of. I mean I don't yeah I don't think

20:57

anyone is self-made but yeah I

20:59

mean there's an argument to be made. But she's a psychopath. There

21:01

is that there is that yeah. Academy

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21:24

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21:26

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21:30

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then we break a

22:21

little bit from the Brooke story and

22:23

we get to Valerie who's... The

22:26

whole cast is at this party, this launch party, which is

22:28

very fun. Anytime the whole

22:30

crew is in one location, I love. And

22:34

so Valerie is all mad

22:36

because her

22:39

ex-girlfriend Tam has been watching

22:41

her snap stories but not

22:44

responding. Can

22:46

we relate? No, I do not have a

22:48

snap. Old man alarm.

22:50

Okay. Yeah, old man alarm. I

22:52

don't have one either. You don't have a snap. Oh

22:54

gosh, you guys are so old. You're

22:57

so fucking old. You do? Yeah,

23:00

I have one. It's a bit of

23:02

a burner though. It's like a fake... It's like

23:04

I just have it to send nudes. To send

23:06

nudes. No,

23:09

I don't do that. But

23:13

you can relate on Instagram because you can see

23:15

who saw your story. Or not

23:18

only that, but if you send someone a DM

23:20

and it says that they saw it or read

23:22

it and they haven't responded, that would

23:25

be crazy. I cannot wrap my head around

23:27

people that leave read receipts on their texts.

23:30

I feel like that is your plan. It's dangerous. Oh yeah,

23:33

100%. That's like the first thing. Do

23:35

you know anyone that does that? Yeah,

23:38

I do. Intentionally. I'm

23:41

assuming so. It's still there. I

23:44

tell everybody. If someone

23:47

I'm texting with has

23:49

it that I noticed for the

23:51

first time, I'll always be like, hey, by the way,

23:53

just to let you know, you have your read receipts

23:56

on. And sometimes they're like,

23:58

I know. And sometimes they're like, oh my God. that

24:00

I had no idea. And that's happened to me, someone has

24:02

been like, your red receipts are on,

24:05

and you can just turn

24:07

it on accidentally sometimes, if

24:09

you're just a fumbling idiot like

24:11

me with technology. But I

24:14

think that is the equivalent of telling someone they have

24:16

something in their teeth. Like, a

24:20

good friend will tell you, hey,

24:23

you have this thing in your mouth, and

24:26

it's embarrassing for everybody, and it's disgusting, and

24:28

I can't take you seriously, and

24:31

you can just wipe that shit out. Some people don't do that.

24:33

That's true. Which is crazy to me. That's

24:36

my royal decree. Tell people they got shit on

24:38

their face. That's a good royal decree. All right.

24:40

It's not me. That's a good royal decree. Yeah,

24:42

no, because if you, when you find

24:44

out that you were like in a room full of

24:46

people, and you had fucking lettuce blocking out like two

24:49

of your teeth, and no one said anything, you're like,

24:51

so you all were just gonna let me walk

24:54

out into the world looking like an idiot. Fuck

24:56

all of you. There

24:58

was this one time a couple years ago,

25:00

I was directing a sketch show for my

25:02

sketch team, and we had an

25:05

early morning rehearsal, and I was, it

25:08

was the day before the show, and I was

25:10

like really getting frustrated and angry, and I like

25:12

yelled at the team, and like they

25:15

all just sort of like were staring at me,

25:17

and then we had to do like rehearsal, and

25:19

everybody was just like acting weird, and I was

25:21

like, oh, well, it's because I got angry. And

25:23

then directly from there, I had to go to

25:25

a voiceover session this

25:28

McDonald's campaign that I've been working on, and

25:30

all of the producers were there, and like

25:32

I was with them for an hour and a half, and then

25:34

as I was leaving, I'd go to the bathroom, and

25:37

I look in the mirror, and I had the

25:39

biggest whitehead of my life.

25:42

It was the size, it was like a, yeah,

25:44

I mean it was like a penny, right

25:46

on the, like right under

25:49

my nose. It was tapped, tapped. On my lip, like not, but

25:52

I was like, I texted

25:54

my friends immediately, and

25:56

I took a picture, and I was like, are you

25:58

guys fucking kidding me? You didn't? say

26:00

anything and they were all like,

26:02

Chris, it was so hard

26:05

for us to keep a straight face when you

26:07

were yelling at us and we just assumed you

26:09

knew because it was so big that there's no

26:11

possible way. You could not have known

26:14

that that thing was on your face. So

26:16

I had it for like six hours. Which

26:19

is how long the story is. And it was one of those ones where like,

26:22

yeah, it was one of those ones where you just touch

26:24

it and it explodes because it was just so ready. And

26:27

then you get pimples.

26:29

Pimples come when you're stressed. Oh God, dude. And

26:32

Ella is stressed at this party

26:34

because Isaac and Reed. Boo!

26:38

Malibu! Dude, that's some

26:40

of your worst work yet. It's not. Ella,

26:42

your worst work, you just told a six minute

26:45

pimple story, dude. It was 90

26:48

seconds. It felt like farming. And it's gonna be

26:50

cut out. And you know we're gonna edit it

26:52

out so your bullshit transition is gonna make no

26:54

sense. We're not ending it out. Armin,

26:58

did you hate his story as much as I did? No,

27:01

I didn't hate it. Ella

27:05

is stressed though because Isaac shows up

27:07

at this party and it's a little

27:09

bit of an unexpected reaction for her

27:11

because she would usually be excited. She

27:14

likens it to seeing

27:16

a teacher at a grocery store when somebody

27:20

isn't really supposed to be there. I

27:22

could totally relate to that. Just like

27:24

seeing him around the Royals and

27:26

in that world and she's also afraid that him and

27:28

Isaac are gonna fight. I mean Isaac and Reed are

27:30

gonna fight so she goes to like break it up

27:33

which I just think is so funny. This like

27:35

toxic masculinity as

27:38

they say. What's toxic about it?

27:40

They're just talking it out. That just two dudes are just

27:43

gonna fight over a girl. It's very funny to me. They

27:46

didn't. No they did not. It's

27:48

true. The reason they did not is because

27:50

the speech starts. Brooke's speech starts. I

27:53

just wanna, it's quite

27:55

an eventful speech and I really love doing

27:57

the scene because like she's giving a speech

27:59

in. My character Easton and Ella are

28:01

kind of having little asides while

28:04

it's going on. But the first thing I want

28:06

to say is we find out that her company

28:08

is called Baby Glam. I don't think we found that out

28:10

before. And it

28:12

sells makeup for babies.

28:17

Did you guys know that? Well, I – I'm

28:19

a big fan of that because I – when

28:21

I'm like out in the grocery store or

28:23

I'm on Instagram and I see my friends,

28:26

I'm like, that baby has blotchy skin. It's

28:29

blemishes and it's

28:31

disgusting. And also like some

28:33

babies just don't have lashes. And

28:35

so you got to make those things pop with the

28:37

right mascara. Yeah. So,

28:40

yeah, like rosacea is very common in babies

28:42

and I don't want to have to look

28:45

at that shit. So put

28:47

a foundation on, cover up.

28:49

This is so awful. I'm just going to stop you there.

28:52

No, Baby Glam is what we need.

28:56

I'm tired of ugly ass babies. Armin,

28:59

how do you feel about ugly babies? Uh,

29:03

I don't know. I think it

29:05

is funny that there's a phase

29:07

where all babies look the same.

29:10

You know, there's sort of like that like early few week

29:12

phase where it's like, no, that is – Wow.

29:15

Oh, wow. But all

29:17

babies look – Cancel him. Cancel him.

29:21

All babies look the same in that first

29:24

few week period, more or less, and the

29:26

parents are inevitably like,

29:28

this is the most beautiful child you've

29:30

ever seen, right? And it's like, it looks

29:32

like all the other babies and it is

29:34

crying and pooping right now, which you can tell I am not

29:36

a dad as evidenced by this.

29:41

Just a daddy. Well, that's perfect. I'm

29:44

so glad you said that because that was going to be my question. What

29:47

is it like playing a father on the

29:50

show and not being a father in

29:52

real life? It's

29:54

interesting. I don't know. It's

29:57

– You

30:00

know, with with like with Alyssa being

30:02

the phenomenal actress that she is, it's

30:06

very easy to play her father just because she

30:08

does great work and then I try to not,

30:10

you know, fuck up the words on either side of

30:12

what she's saying. But

30:15

I think playing a playing a father

30:17

figure role, if you

30:19

just put your effort into trying to

30:21

take care of people and think of yourself as

30:23

as providing in some way, that

30:26

kind of goes a long way to

30:29

sort of bridge the gap, I think, if you aren't

30:31

a father. Yeah.

30:34

Do you think Callum's a good

30:36

father? No, I think he's growing into

30:38

becoming one thanks to Ella. But like I

30:40

think, you know, his

30:42

sons are not that their behavior is

30:45

bad, but their relationship with him is very

30:47

reflective of what he provided

30:49

as a father for them, which was essentially just

30:51

to check whenever purr back to

30:53

the Oh, do you like it, babe? Do you like

30:55

the the baby glam launch? Like, I

30:57

wrote a check. I did my job. So I

31:00

think it's not until Ella kind of pulls

31:02

him out of it that he starts to become

31:04

a good father, which required a

31:06

lot of playing catch up with his sons. So

31:10

yeah, yeah, not playing catch.

31:12

No, playing catch up. I'm a firm

31:14

believer that it's never too late to

31:17

try to make things right. Yeah, I

31:19

agreed. I mean, there's

31:21

there's no doubt that the the negative

31:23

effects are gonna stick with Easton and

31:26

read the rest of their life. But

31:28

if you can mend that relationship, but

31:30

also like this speech is really the

31:33

first time I feel like maybe

31:36

not the first time, but she really calls

31:38

Callum out for not supporting her because she's

31:40

like, you know, who's not supported? It's me.

31:42

Well, she's high as hell. So she's kind

31:44

of just goes on a crazy rant, which

31:46

Easton loves. And she's

31:48

like, my step kids hate me

31:50

Callum, you're on the phone all

31:52

night and you're so what you

31:54

like it, honey. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:58

Playing Angry Birds. Exactly. No,

32:00

he's making a sale to it's

32:02

like some dude still he's playing

32:04

that farm game Armin

32:10

are you on your phone a lot? Do you ever get knocked by

32:13

your wife for I Try

32:16

not to be on it. I'm

32:18

really really trying not to be on it as much I

32:21

went through a phase Sort of

32:23

inadvertently recently where like in the fall and I

32:25

got one of the you know Like those weekly

32:27

updates where it's like your screen time report. Yeah,

32:30

you know, you're up 47% to like

32:32

the number of hours of my day that had been

32:35

Staring at this thing and I was like, oh I have

32:38

to stop that like that really needs to end What's

32:43

your weakness like what are you looking at

32:45

mostly I spend all the time on

32:47

like Instagram looking at I follow a bunch of different

32:49

like I either follow a bunch of artists or musicians

32:53

or then I follow like business

32:55

people so I'm either like trying to like scroll

32:57

through like micro learning or I'm Looking

33:00

at her and or cat videos

33:02

a lot of cat videos or food recipes and

33:04

stuff But

33:07

then I also kind of will you know have this

33:09

like doom scroll need to go through like news apps

33:11

and be like what? Terrible shit is happening in the

33:13

world today. Ah, everything going to hell Yeah,

33:16

yeah, so I need to

33:18

stop both of those things because neither of them are productive So

33:22

Callum is scrolling my favorite part though

33:24

of this scene is when Easton chimes

33:26

in oh, I Told

33:28

me hi Me

33:31

laugh out loud Yeah That

33:34

was really funny. Do you remember

33:36

recording that Nick? Like were you

33:38

actually listening to Burgundy? Speak

33:40

and you chimed in. Yeah. Yeah, we all we

33:43

we all did it at the same time Which

33:46

was probably toughest for her to like

33:48

keep the momentum of a speech going

33:50

with me saying things. I I

33:52

think my Favorite line of

33:54

all the chimes. I think I was

33:56

like she was like She

33:59

says something like you probably I think I'm stupid, but I

34:01

deserve to feel important. I'm like, you go, Brooke. And

34:04

she's like, shut up, Easton. I'm like, okay. Yes,

34:07

yeah, yeah. That was my favorite line. That

34:09

was great, great writing. But

34:11

anyway, right after this speech in

34:14

my little chimes, Brooke

34:18

pulls Callum out to the patio to

34:20

scream at him. You always apologize,

34:22

you never change, you're always on your phone. And then

34:24

breaks up with him. Whoo! Yeah.

34:29

Armin, have you been broken up with before?

34:31

Yeah. I know you're married now. How'd that

34:33

feel? You know, it's not a great

34:35

feeling. And I think

34:37

I can. Why not? Well,

34:40

you know, you kind of think you're going in one

34:42

direction and then something else happens. I

34:46

will say though, I would imagine for Callum and

34:50

having possibly been in

34:53

a relatable circumstance wherein it does truly feel like

34:55

it's coming out of left field because it's not

34:57

like Callum has any, he's not,

34:59

because he's not aware enough, which probably is an

35:01

accurate statement on a lot of men, isn't

35:05

really aware enough of what's going on with Brooke. When she

35:07

does break up with him, I think he's like, wait, where

35:09

the fuck did this come from? I mean,

35:11

it's coming out of a fight that he's having, but

35:13

it's like, people don't break up because like, we had

35:15

one fight so we broke up. Those people are very

35:17

volatile, but usually it's like a buildup of things. I

35:19

imagine Callum's just like, wait, what

35:22

just happened? Like, what?

35:26

And honestly, it makes me laugh thinking about

35:28

because if you think about their arc, like

35:30

they dated, Callum realized she

35:32

was crazy, didn't want to be

35:34

with her anymore because his sons hated her. And

35:36

then remember Reed lies to him and was like,

35:38

well, you broke up with Brooke, you couldn't stay

35:40

with mom. Like maybe Ella saw that. So Callum's

35:42

like, oh, what? Okay, I guess I'll get back

35:44

with her. And then he gets back with her.

35:47

And then he pays for this thing. And

35:49

yeah, they think she's having a kid and then

35:52

she breaks up with them. And Callum's like, what

35:54

is happening? Yeah.

35:56

Well, that's also why I think, you know, this. while

36:00

the breakup is a surprise, it's not

36:02

a complete, you know, out of left

36:04

field because they have a very tumultuous

36:07

relationship. So it's like, yeah, okay, this

36:10

time they break up, but you know, she's

36:12

still pregnant with my kid and you

36:14

know, there's a level of dependence in

36:16

both directions on both of them. So

36:18

it's almost like, okay, you're having

36:21

a moment. We're having a moment.

36:23

This is not on fixable. But

36:27

what I do think is great about

36:29

this episode is they are sprinkling in

36:32

conflict with Brooke

36:35

between every single other character,

36:37

which in our season finale,

36:39

which we'll talk about next week, I

36:42

think will, you know, help

36:46

plant some seeds. Yeah, well, they do

36:48

it without giving away the- They do a great

36:50

job planting those seeds, but they also do a

36:52

great job of tying up a lot of the

36:54

things that we've been focused on this season.

36:56

Like with, you know, right after this scene

36:59

with Brooke breaking up with Callum, Dinah

37:01

comes in to speak to Ella and was

37:03

like, I decline your offer. And

37:05

then Ella's like, you know what? I give up.

37:07

You can have everything. You can have custody. You

37:09

can have the trust. I just want this to

37:11

be over. You have a deal. And Dinah's like,

37:13

okay, great. So that's now solved. And then you

37:15

have Reed coming up to Ella to make his

37:17

move and being like, listen, I'm done with this

37:19

love triangle. I can't

37:21

do this anymore. I know

37:24

that you only think about me. Let's

37:26

just cut the charade with Isaac. And

37:28

Ella, in her thoughts,

37:31

we hear her agreeing with him, but she

37:33

really, she can't. She resists the temptation. So

37:35

we really do tie a lot

37:38

of the loose ends up quite

37:40

nicely in this episode, setting

37:42

us up really well for that finale. And

37:45

also speaking of poor people, poor Alyssa, or

37:47

not poor Alyssa, well, poor Alyssa as an

37:49

actress having to portray it, poor

37:52

Ella having to bounce from one conflict

37:54

zone to the next, stop off and

37:56

try and comfort Callum partway through it.

37:58

And then like... You know, it's

38:01

just this like whirlwind of shit that she's going

38:03

through Yeah, and

38:05

just to clarify she's not giving up

38:07

everything with Dinah She says she'll split

38:09

the trust until she's 50 50 and

38:12

then when she's 18 about right

38:15

And then she'll move out. They'll split it in

38:17

half So you're looking at over 50

38:19

million dollars, which is a lot

38:22

of money less than a hundred obviously by

38:24

about half by about But

38:28

also To go

38:30

talk about myself and my character because that's my favorite

38:32

That's the only reason we started this podcast so I

38:34

could talk about me What I

38:36

liked about this episode was throughout the season

38:39

read has been like, you

38:41

know, I understand Take your time do what

38:43

you got to do. I'm doing like the

38:45

noble thing and Then in

38:47

this episode for the first time he's

38:50

like, alright enough and then he starts

38:52

like turning on the sexy Yeah, he's

38:54

like and we see his true colors

39:01

We on the race that's all we do now Yeah,

39:05

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39:21

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39:23

her newfound eat or be eaten world

39:26

Ava's ambitions take hold and her small-town

39:28

values break in hopes of becoming the

39:30

first scholarship student to make the list

39:33

Bishop grades all coveted academic top

39:36

ten curated by the headmaster But

39:39

after realizing she has no chance at the list on

39:41

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39:43

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39:45

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39:47

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39:50

she bends to their will she'll have everything she's

39:52

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39:55

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a moment that's very nice between you guys

40:24

where Easton is cheering up Calum.

40:27

Yeah, we don't hear much of it. Yeah,

40:30

we don't hear much of it. It's like,

40:32

you know, a couple sentences it's in the

40:34

background as Elmo approaches. And then my favorite

40:36

Easter line ever. Oh look,

40:38

it's your favorite child coming. Yeah,

40:41

yeah, yeah, yeah. Just so

40:43

ill-equipped. It's like, yeah, yeah,

40:46

emotionally stunted. Like I just, I love that

40:48

he's so ill-equipped. It reminds me of what

40:51

Easton's like, yeah, it'll be our, oh, here's

40:53

your favorite kid. Let her, she's better with

40:55

the emotional stuff. Yeah, it's like,

40:57

it's okay. Dad, this

41:00

stuff happens to normal people.

41:03

You'll be fine. But it's also kind of nice

41:05

to see the side of Calum. I mean, your

41:07

character feels guilty. He's like, I should have stepped

41:09

up. I should have tried harder to make it

41:12

work. I

41:14

don't think we've seen really vulnerable in

41:16

front of his kids. Yeah, which we

41:18

haven't seen yet. Yeah, and really the

41:20

only time he's ever vulnerable or shows

41:22

any vulnerability to anyone is with Ella.

41:24

And it's usually like, sorry,

41:26

you weren't supposed to see that, like kind of

41:28

thing. But while I did see it,

41:30

so like, we're finished the conversation. Like,

41:33

there was a lot of that in previous episodes, or a little bit

41:35

of that in previous episodes. But yeah, you're right. This is the first

41:38

time that there's any degree of like, Calum

41:40

being like, okay, fine, you're honest, honest

41:42

self evaluation here. Also, real quick,

41:45

Armin, I just want to say, you know, we

41:47

talked about this, you playing a father, you

41:50

know, you're not, you're the same age

41:53

group as Nick, and right, you're not much older

41:55

than us. And yet you play

41:57

our father and it's, it's so convincing

42:00

and real and authentic and I think

42:03

in this scene and all these other scenes with the

42:07

whole cast that you're basically peers

42:09

with and I think

42:11

that's a testament to your acting ability and

42:14

your talent that you're able to maintain

42:17

this role and this

42:20

character that seems so

42:22

much more mature and yeah well

42:25

I would say some of my favorite or

42:28

what I consider the some of the best acting

42:31

work that has been done on

42:33

this show are the things between

42:35

you and Chris between Callum and

42:37

Reed. I

42:39

think you know that you said we

42:41

talked about earlier before we got on here but there

42:43

was a scene where in season one where you two

42:46

fought and I remember the

42:48

whole room was like whoa so

42:51

props to both of you. Yeah well I

42:53

think you know one thing that thank you for saying

42:55

that uh one thing that

42:57

is it's like the uh what

42:59

is it the the theater phrase of like

43:02

um it's not your job to tell everyone

43:04

you're you're the king it's the

43:06

other actor's job to show everyone that you're the

43:08

king right like if uh

43:11

if I don't play a

43:13

convincing dad I you all treat me you

43:15

don't act

43:17

with the deference or or or degree

43:19

of hostility that might be born out

43:21

of a troubled relationship

43:23

with the father but everyone else brings

43:26

that relationship to life

43:28

and my job again is to just not fuck up

43:31

everything that everyone else is doing along the way uh

43:33

and a perfect example of that was that

43:35

scene with Chris and I from season one uh for

43:38

a little behind the scenes for fans

43:40

we weren't in the same booth we were

43:42

recording at the same time we were in

43:45

different booths in the same studio building because

43:47

there was a space storage shortage and we

43:49

needed more people in and

43:52

this is one of the first scenes I think you and I did

43:54

Chris I mean it was like you guys had shown up that morning

43:56

and you'd done some stuff but that was like one of the first

43:58

things and so to walk into a scene where where you're gonna

44:00

have like a potentially

44:03

a full knockdown drag out verbal

44:05

fight with someone who you don't

44:07

know as a performer, there's always an

44:10

inherent challenge to that. But with what

44:12

you brought Chris and I was sitting

44:15

there in the

44:17

middle of the scene being like, holy shit, this is fantastic. Not

44:20

like what we're doing is fantastic work, but like this

44:22

feels great. Cause like Chris brought all of

44:24

this passion and heat and there was a, and

44:27

you were sort of in the room too being like, dad,

44:29

guys, guys, well, what the fuck? Like, you know, and then

44:32

Brooke is there not

44:34

helping the situation at all. But

44:38

again, that's a testament to the work that you do,

44:41

Chris, or the work that everyone does, it just makes

44:43

it easy to step in and try

44:45

not to fuck it up. Oh,

44:48

thanks man. That was a

44:50

great scene. I remember that. I remember being a

44:52

little frustrated that I couldn't be in the booth

44:54

with you. Because I was,

44:57

you were in a booth with four other people and

44:59

the whole team and I was in a closet. On

45:02

your own on the other side of the. Across the

45:04

building. Yeah. And I

45:07

just, but it, so I remember being like, when they

45:09

were like, Chris, you're gonna have to go to this

45:11

other booth. I remember being like, how am

45:13

I gonna act without

45:16

looking these people in the eyes? Like

45:18

that sucks. But I

45:22

think, you know, everyone brought their A game

45:24

and being able to hear,

45:26

you know, it is a vocal medium. So you

45:29

guys pulled it off. It was great. Not

45:31

to derail us further on this tangent, which

45:33

is away from this particular episode. But I

45:35

do think it's a testament to the creators

45:37

of the show that they have us all

45:39

record together because there's so much that

45:42

you can hear in the

45:44

performances that are from us being

45:47

in that room together. Like there's sometimes where you

45:49

kind of step on each other naturally or whatever

45:51

that is part of responding you

45:53

know, putting the news up there and like what is a fan. And

45:58

there's others that have it coming on this, but also these people, you know, and

46:00

speaking and kind of give them, you know, act along with them.

46:02

And that's giving them something to be like, no,

46:05

what I'm serious when I said that. And like,

46:07

you're helping them. Um, and so that

46:09

sort of stuff translates really nicely. And

46:11

I think that's part of why, you know,

46:13

people really like the show and why it's great to listen

46:15

to cause you're like, it feels so much more alive than

46:17

some things can. Yeah.

46:20

I totally agree. This episode is

46:22

so great because we were all together, you

46:25

know, uh, for that. And we were all

46:27

at this one event. And then it ends,

46:29

uh, in a very dramatic way, setting us

46:31

up beautifully for the finale, Ella

46:33

confronts Brooke in the bathroom. Brooke is

46:36

crying in there. Um, but Ella's like,

46:38

you need, I know about the baby.

46:40

You need to tell Callum the truth.

46:43

And then all of a sudden they start fighting.

46:46

They get into a physical fight. It's

46:48

crazy. Um, and that's something

46:51

you definitely want to be in the booth with for

46:53

that person, cause, uh, you're not, they weren't

46:55

actually hitting each other, but I'm sure they were thinking

46:57

about it. Um, and Brooke lets

46:59

it all out. She's like, I'm going nuclear. That's how

47:01

we get the title. She's like, I'm going to dig

47:03

up dirt on your family that you never even thought

47:05

of, I'm going to release everything until your lives are

47:07

all ruined. Like, holy

47:10

shit. And then she beats the

47:12

living hell out of Ella. And,

47:15

um, I actually think Ella could take Brooke, but

47:17

she's probably being nice to not hit her.

47:20

Um, but yeah, wow, what an

47:22

ending and what a setup for

47:25

the, for our season finale episode

47:27

of season two. Yeah. Crazy.

47:31

What a great penultimate episode to the

47:33

season. It leads us into what is

47:36

going to be a very, very juicy

47:38

finale. Uh, this, I feel like

47:40

if this were on TV, there would be a to

47:42

be continued title card

47:44

right after. Yeah. Yeah. They're

47:47

actually two part season finale. I

47:49

do say it and they cut it. You

47:53

said to be continued. I said to be

47:55

continued at the end of the episode, but they cut that out. Oh

47:58

man. Are you being funny or like. Like that was actually part of

48:01

the plan. I'm being funny. I didn't do that. So,

48:04

Nick, we talked about this in

48:06

other episodes, but don't try your

48:08

thing. It doesn't

48:11

look good on you. I'll take the funny.

48:13

Let me allow me. Okay. You

48:15

just be pretty and young. I do have to

48:17

say, I think casting two brothers

48:20

to play brothers is a

48:22

brilliant fucking move because there's

48:25

no degree of acting skill that can

48:27

replicate the level of

48:29

like natural built in banter that you two have

48:31

and like the lifetime of history. So

48:33

like it lends itself so well to

48:35

having you two, even though you're playing characters who

48:37

are not at all like you as people, it

48:39

just, it adds in

48:42

something that you just couldn't create. You

48:44

wouldn't think to create as an actor. You wouldn't know to

48:46

put those little moments in because it's

48:49

not natural to the relationship, you know, but like for you

48:51

to, it's like, Oh, yeah. Yeah. Busting

48:53

each other's balls our entire lives. I'm

48:56

used to him being mean. Yeah, that's nice. And

48:59

I have a general lack of respect for most people

49:01

I work with, which is similar to how I feel

49:03

about Nick. So I'm able to

49:05

replicate it pretty easily. So really everyone

49:08

here got typecast really nicely. Yeah.

49:13

Hey, you know what time it is, Nick? I think I

49:15

do. It's time for

49:17

some Royal Decree. Oh, snap.

49:19

Hee hee hee hee. A

49:21

loyal decree. Nick, do you want

49:23

to start us off? Yeah, I'll

49:25

start us off. Here's my Royal Decree.

49:28

These are better than audiobooks. Real

49:31

reading. What are you doing? You're going to sabotage

49:33

this whole thing, man. This isn't an audiobook. What

49:35

is wrong with you? Let me continue. This

49:38

is not an audiobook. This is

49:40

a fiction scripted podcast based on

49:42

a book that is different. We

49:44

have characters and I will

49:46

go as far to say audiobooks that are

49:49

narrated by their author such as Kitchen

49:51

Confidential by Anthony Bourdain are very entertaining

49:54

because you are hearing his words through

49:56

his voice. That is a different

49:58

situation. But if it comes to... reading a

50:00

book or listening to a book, always choose

50:02

reading the book. It is better. It allows

50:06

you to create the characters

50:08

in your head. The emotional

50:10

impact is greater.

50:13

The stuff that you will

50:15

pick up on and remember is it will

50:17

stay with you longer. Reading

50:19

books is better than listening to books. So that

50:21

is my royal decree. Thank you. Chris,

50:24

there's now a time that I should tell him that I

50:26

spent a lot of time narrating audiobooks. I

50:28

also agree with you. I agree with you.

50:30

There are a lot of things I listen to, a lot

50:32

of audiobooks

50:40

I do listen to, but if it's something

50:42

that I really, really, if it's a

50:44

book that I'm like, no, I want this to be

50:46

my experience, then 100% I have to read it. Absolutely.

50:50

No, there are audiobooks are fantastic. Especially if

50:52

you're on the move or you have long

50:54

commutes or I was on

50:56

a set yesterday and one of the PAs or

50:59

the makeup woman had headphones, and she was listening

51:01

to an audiobook all day because she

51:04

can move around, do her thing, do makeup, and

51:06

listen to a book. But if you have the

51:08

choice between reading or listening, read

51:10

it. Chris,

51:12

you're making a face at me. That's because you don't know

51:15

how to read. That

51:17

is true. Me and Leah Michelle and

51:20

Floyd Money Mayweather are in a book

51:22

club. We are successful illiterate

51:25

people. If

51:28

you were saying book versus

51:30

movie, I understand, I do

51:33

think that if it's the same text,

51:35

obviously if you're hearing it aloud, it's

51:37

a specific interpretation of it, but it's

51:39

harder. It's a big of a leap

51:42

as a movie because you're still

51:44

creating the imagery in your head. Of

51:47

course. You get through it faster. But

51:49

this is obviously, it's my royal

51:51

decree, so it's my personal experience and I

51:54

just can retain things more when I see

51:56

them because I'm a visual learner than when

51:58

I look at them. listen to them and

52:00

that's why I have a podcast. Respect.

52:03

How was your Royal Decree, Chris? My

52:06

Royal Decree is I

52:08

made a few already in this episode, but

52:10

I'll stick with the videos on social media

52:12

thing. Prank

52:14

videos, not funny. YouTube

52:17

prank videos, videos of you like

52:19

sneaking up, hitting camera stuff, it's not funny,

52:22

it needs to stop. Can

52:24

you give an example? Well, sure. Well,

52:26

first of all, there's like, I've seen a couple

52:28

where like, people throw a bag

52:30

in like a public place and run

52:32

like it's a bomb or they, which

52:35

is insane. There was

52:37

actually a story the other day, this guy got

52:40

shot, this YouTuber got shot because

52:42

he was doing some funny prank

52:46

in a tough neighborhood and he picked the

52:48

wrong dude. And he

52:50

like, I don't know if he was like panting them or

52:52

like grabbing their ass or like doing something that was like,

52:54

ho, ho, ho and he got shot. I

52:57

think he's alive, but like, damn,

52:59

but there's this one couple on

53:01

Instagram, the guy's a cop and

53:03

the white, they're like this funny

53:05

young couple, but he leaves like

53:07

balloons filled with some white. Oh,

53:10

yeah. Yeah, all over the place. And

53:13

he shoots it with like a little airsoft gun and

53:15

times it so it spills. And then she does the

53:17

thing to him. And they go. Yeah,

53:20

and she goes the same to him. And then like what he laughs,

53:22

he has this really funny laugh and he, he

53:24

like explodes a confetti cannon interface every time

53:26

he gets her and they keep trying to

53:28

one up each other. And

53:30

it is funny, but it's

53:33

also like they are just

53:35

destroying their home. There

53:37

is liquid and

53:40

chaos all over

53:42

the place. It's crazy. Like they

53:44

were on a couch and this

53:46

guy exploded what looks like milk

53:48

or white paint all over

53:50

their living room and they're just like super chill

53:52

about it. It's their house and whatever, but

53:55

yeah, I agree with you. It's

53:57

crazy. Yeah. So

53:59

that's my. Royal Decree. Stop doing prank shows. Stop

54:02

doing pranks online. They stress me out and they make

54:04

your house a mess. I'm going

54:06

to take that. I'm going to piggyback on

54:08

your Royal Decree and take it a step

54:10

further per our previous conversation that I'm not

54:13

sure if it's been edited out or not. But

54:15

like the screen time thing, my

54:18

Royal Decree is spend less time on

54:21

our phones. Like we should spend a

54:23

lot less time on our phones. And I say that

54:25

as someone who uses my phone for work and

54:28

entertainment and escapism.

54:30

But like, man,

54:33

I'm pretty sure people had a little bit less

54:35

stress in their life. History, you know,

54:37

you go back far enough. Everything is terrible for everyone.

54:39

Like let's not, let's not kid ourselves. But

54:43

I'm pretty sure people have less active

54:45

stress a few years ago before we

54:48

were so inundated with, with information

54:50

and technology. And like, yes,

54:52

everything seems better when you're a kid in a

54:54

way. But like, I'm fairly certain the late 90s,

54:57

like in the Matrix movie, when it's like, you

54:59

know, 1999 was, they

55:01

called that the peak of human civilization. And,

55:04

and we're like, Oh, that's no, no way. That's the

55:06

peak. And then now it's like, Oh, maybe this, I'm

55:08

stealing someone else's joke was like, Oh, maybe they were

55:10

right. Maybe the, maybe the robots are right about that.

55:12

Like we had internet, but not too much internet. You

55:16

know, our cell phones didn't have any texting or

55:18

anything. It was, I don't

55:20

mean to sound like a cranky old man.

55:22

Like, yeah, you're really embracing the dad role.

55:24

Really embracing it. Fuck it. Why

55:26

not? But like, get outside and spend more time outside.

55:28

Absolutely. Yeah. So after you are done

55:31

using your phone to listen to this podcast,

55:35

put your after that, like

55:37

and subscribe and share

55:40

with your friends and follow us all exactly. And

55:43

follow us on social media and love us.

55:46

Then go outside

55:48

and throw a frisbee. Armin

55:50

for our listeners, do you have, where can they follow

55:52

you? Where can they find you? And do you have

55:54

anything coming up that they should keep an eye out

55:56

for? They

55:59

can find me on Instagram

56:01

or Facebook

56:03

or I think I technically

56:06

have a TikTok. I'm never on it, but I have one or

56:09

Twitter or X or whatever it's

56:11

called. X. I know it's called

56:13

X. At Armin Taylor, just

56:16

at Armin Taylor. Keep it simple. And

56:18

yeah, do I have anything coming out? Not

56:24

that I can talk

56:26

about. Whoa, that's NDA.

56:30

Yeah, yes, I do. I have a couple things

56:33

that are exciting, but no, I can't talk about

56:35

them. So follow him on all

56:37

those accounts and when he can, he will

56:39

let you know. I will share. That's

56:42

amazing. Hey, good for you. That's

56:44

so exciting and it's not a surprise to me

56:46

at all. Like I said, you are the ultimate

56:50

professional. You are incredibly talented and

56:53

gifted and have such a

56:55

wonderful voice and on top of that, acting

56:57

ability. And I know I speak for both.

56:59

No, no, it's true. I speak

57:01

for both of us, I'm sure, but I'm sure Chris

57:04

will have something to say because he always does. But

57:06

it was really a pleasure working with you.

57:08

You made me better and I'm so, so

57:11

happy that we were able to get you

57:14

on this podcast to speak to you as well.

57:17

Me too. It's a pleasure. I second that

57:19

and have nothing to add from the top

57:21

down. I mean, I think everyone that they've

57:23

brought on board has been great and you

57:25

two are such amazing actors.

57:27

You bring such great chemistry and it's

57:30

a pleasure.