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On this episode of the

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Resetter podcast, I am bringing

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you Dr. Anthony Yoon. And

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we are going to dive into

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what you need to know about

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aging skin. This

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is such a juicy conversation. So

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a little bit about Dr. Yoon, and he

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is so articulate. I'm so excited for you

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guys to hear this one. But

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he's known as America's holistic plastic surgeon.

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He is nationally recognized, board

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certified plastic surgeon. Some

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of you may actually recognize him

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from TikTok. He had a whole

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interesting run with showing different do's

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and don'ts around skin and health

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care on TikTok. But

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he also, you might know some of

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his other bestselling books like The Age

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Fix, In Stitches, Playing God. He even

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had a TV, a public television special

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called The Age Fix, which had millions

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of views. And he now

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has a really popular podcast called

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The Holistic Plastic Surgery Show. And

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he has a new book out, which I

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highly recommend. We talk about it here in

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this interview. It's called Younger for

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Life. Now let me tell you a

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little bit about what you're going to

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hear in this conversation. So

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I wanted a more holistic

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approach to skin care. Everything

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from daily and nightly routines around

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skin care and stay all the way

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till the end. He talks

1:29

about that. We unpack Botox. I start

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off this conversation wanting to know the

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pros and cons to Botox. And

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I think he gave a really good explanation

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of what you need to know and

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what the positives and negatives of Botox

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and fillers. We talk about fillers as

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well. We then dove into

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lifestyle and what can you

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do to support healthy skin with

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diet and fasting and supplements. We

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even tackle everything from do

1:56

saunas actually work, infrared saunas,

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Finnish saunas. steam baths. I

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wanted to know about red light therapy. What did he think

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of that? And of course,

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fasting. He has some really fun

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anecdotal studies and he did his

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own case study before he sent

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his book out into the world,

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Younger for Life, where he did

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a combination of fasting mixed with

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a ketogenic style diet. And you'll

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hear it from him, what he

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noticed in skin changes, applying those

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two pieces, which I know a

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lot of you who've been following

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me are fasting and are also

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doing the ketogenic or the ketobiotic

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diet that I recommend. It's

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a deep discussion you're about to

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hear. I think this level

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of nuance and

2:42

thoroughness is how we should

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be approaching skin. And

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Dr. Anthony Yoon was the one to bring it

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to you. So whatever skin

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answers you're looking for, you find it

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here. So as always, I hope

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it helps. And Dr. Yoon,

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take it away. Welcome

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to the Resetter Podcast. This

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podcast is all about empowering

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you to believe

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in yourself again. If

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you have a passion for learning, if you're

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looking to be in control of your health

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and take your power back, this

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is the podcast for you. Let

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me just welcome you. Thank you for

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coming to the Resetter Podcast. You and

3:29

I, our paths have actually crossed.

3:31

We know a lot of people in common,

3:33

but we've never had a conversation. So I'm

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really excited for this. So thank you for

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joining me. Yeah, I'm excited to chat

3:40

too. This will be fun. Great. You

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know, it's funny on a topic of health

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and skin and beauty, I feel

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like the first place I wanna start with,

3:50

because it's something that I've

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been asking myself watching how

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the world is navigating menopause

3:57

and perimenopause. And that

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is, why are we

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so resistant to aging? And

4:04

why are we doing everything

4:06

possible to stop that process

4:09

and slow that process down?

4:12

I think it's honestly, it's as simple as

4:14

how it feels to look in the mirror

4:17

and see something reflected, an image reflected

4:19

of you that does not necessarily reflect

4:21

what's on your inside. So

4:24

how many people who are in their 50s or 60s or

4:26

70s, and they

4:28

feel so much younger than what they see in the

4:30

mirror. They still feel like they're in their 20s or

4:32

their 30s, yet the

4:34

image that's projected back to them isn't the

4:36

same. And it's hard not to be just

4:38

a little bit sad inside sometimes. And so

4:41

then you contrast that with how you feel,

4:44

let's say if you go to a store

4:46

and you buy a new outfit that you

4:48

just feel really good in. And

4:50

there's nothing wrong with feeling that way. There's nothing wrong

4:52

with getting a new outfit and going out in public

4:54

for the first time and going out to dinner and

4:56

feeling that sense of

4:59

self-confidence. And so we all

5:02

wanna feel that no matter whether we take

5:04

certain steps to go that direction or not,

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we all kind of enjoy that feeling. And

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so I think that's part of the issue.

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And I'm happy to chat with menopause and

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some of the changes that happened there, changes

5:14

that you just don't have as much control,

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I think, as you would like to oftentimes

5:19

women don't throughout that process. Obviously you've been

5:21

great at giving them as much

5:23

of those reins as possible. Yeah,

5:26

but it's a challenge because you

5:28

can't necessarily stop

5:30

menopause from happening, although you

5:32

can change how it happens to

5:34

you. Yeah, so what's interesting and

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part of why I asked the question

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that I started with is that I've

5:41

had, I found myself in my own

5:43

internal conflict around my aging process. It's

5:45

like on one end of the spectrum,

5:47

do you know that one of the

5:49

faces that I find so attractive are

5:53

whenever you see in social media that

5:56

like indigenous woman who's been out in

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the sun and has so. many

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wrinkles and there's like so much wisdom

6:02

and history. And I look at that

6:04

and I'm like, I want to sit

6:06

and have a conversation with that woman.

6:09

And then I go to the mirror and

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look at my own self. And I do

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have that feeling some days of like the

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person I'm seeing in the mirror isn't the

6:17

person I see inside of me. And

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then I'm always thinking about the

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society as a whole. And

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I'm really concerned right now that

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we have a culture of people

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that are so resistant to aging

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because either they don't feel good

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about themselves or the patriarchal world,

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the way that it exists right

6:37

now has it so that

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women are considered worthy if they're beautiful.

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And when they're not beautiful, they're no

6:43

longer worthy. And maybe we should really

6:46

be addressing all of that. And

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so when it comes to skincare, especially

6:50

some of the more toxic versions of

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skincare, I get really worried that we

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as a culture are heading down the

6:56

wrong path. I hear

6:58

you, and I'm a plastic surgeon. Yes,

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90% of the people we see in my

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office are women. And society is not

7:05

kind to women as they get older.

7:08

Now, in an ideal world,

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we would say, you know what? Whether

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you go older with the wrinkles or not,

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it shouldn't matter, there's beauty in everybody. And

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that's one of the statements that I try

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to put out there on my social media

7:21

is that there is beauty in everybody. No

7:23

matter what size you are, no matter what

7:25

shape you are, no matter how your skin

7:27

looks, there is beauty in you. But at

7:29

the same time, we also live in a

7:32

society where we're bombarded

7:34

with these images, especially with social media,

7:36

of wrinkle-free, smooth faces, and it's hard not

7:39

to get caught up in that. And I

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think that the way I look at aging

7:43

overall, and I try to encourage this to

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my patients and my followers, is that it

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really, it's a gift to get older. Yes,

7:49

yes. It is a privilege to get

7:51

older. Because when you think about it, I

7:54

mean, who wants the alternative? But

7:56

at the same time, sometimes it's not so fun to

7:58

see those changes and feel those... changes in your body.

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And so the way I try and encourage people is,

8:03

think of it as a blessing because we don't want the alternative,

8:05

you know, the alternative is you're in the ground. But

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at the same time, enjoy that process

8:09

of getting older. And if part of

8:11

that enjoyment is fighting it every step

8:14

of the way by enjoying a fun

8:16

skincare routine, by eating great foods, by

8:18

going to restaurants that you know are

8:20

actually fueling your body with anti-inflammatory, healthy

8:22

foods, and enjoying those meals, then

8:24

why not? You know, why not buy that

8:26

outfit that you feel really good in? You

8:29

know, we only live once. And so whatever

8:31

it takes for yourself in general to feel

8:33

great about yourself, then by all means

8:35

do that. Where obviously we stop the line

8:38

is when you're doing harmful things or doctors

8:40

are promoting harmful things that aren't gonna necessarily

8:42

get you to that point. Yeah, oh, that's

8:44

so well said. So that leaves

8:46

the question of how do we know if it's

8:48

harmful or not? So, and

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before we get into the natural stuff,

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I wanna unpack some of the unnatural

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stuff. So I'll give you an

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example. This is like full

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transparency. Only the

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people closest to me know this. I get comments

9:04

a lot on socials of people asking me why

9:06

I don't Botox. And I've

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even had some rude comments. Somebody sent

9:11

me a message and said, I'm the same age as

9:13

you, I do Botox, and you look much older than

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me. And I have

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a personal value system for my health. And

9:19

that is that I spent most of my 40s

9:22

detoxing myself so that I could bring my

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hormones back into balance, I could get my

9:26

mind on track. So

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the last thing I wanna do is

9:30

start to inject myself with a poison

9:33

that's gonna put me back into hormonal

9:35

dysregulation. And that's my lens. And I

9:37

always tell people like, I'm

9:39

not trying to project my ethos onto

9:41

you. This is just the what

9:44

I have spent too long trying to detox.

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And so there are certain things I avoid.

9:49

So let's start with

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some of the things we're seeing like the

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fillers and the Botox and some of those.

9:55

How toxic are they? How do

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we know if that's good or bad for us? Those

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are some really key things to reduce

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chronic inflammation, including reducing sugar

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as well. Sugar really is the

28:07

main source of food-based aging of

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our bodies, and so reducing that

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can help reduce that chronic inflammation.

28:13

What about alcohol? Does alcohol add

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to that too? Yeah, so alcohol

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obviously is a toxin, and that

28:19

too can increase chronic inflammation. I'm

28:21

not sure, you know, another

28:23

cause of aging of the skin of

28:25

those five is gonna also be free radicals

28:28

and oxidation. Obviously, depending on the

28:30

alcohol, there is an argument that having up

28:32

to one glass of red wine can be

28:34

beneficial for some due to the antioxidant content,

28:37

but that also is controversial. There

28:39

is more and more people believing

28:42

that just the toxic effects of

28:44

alcohol supersede the potential benefits of

28:46

those antioxidants. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

28:49

That's a hard one. Yeah, maybe it

28:51

adds it, but then it depletes it. Yeah,

28:54

I get ya. And so then

28:56

the other causes of aging of the

28:58

skin, oxidation and free radicals, big cause

29:00

of that is gonna be ultra-processed

29:03

foods. And so going back once again to

29:05

eating the real foods over the ultra-processed. And

29:07

then the other two cause of aging of

29:09

the skin, two big ones, and we'll definitely

29:11

focus on this. Number one is reduction of

29:13

collagen. So I mentioned earlier collagen makes up 70

29:15

to 80% of our skin. That

29:18

is a part of our skin that makes our

29:20

skin feel firm and tight and youthful. And what

29:22

happens? As we get older, starting about in our

29:24

mid-20s, Mindy, we lose about

29:26

1% of the thickness of collagen every year.

29:29

But there was a say that found

29:31

that women after menopause, in the five

29:33

years after menopause, they lose 30% of

29:35

the thickness of collagen. I thought

29:37

you were gonna say we get it back. I

29:40

wish. 30% of collagen in

29:42

the first five years, and then 2% every year after that.

29:44

And that's why you do see some women who are in

29:46

their 70s, 80s, and

29:48

their skin can be tissue paper thin. And

29:51

so really focusing on how can you rebuild

29:53

collagen? You've talked about a lot

29:55

of those types of things on the podcast as well. Fifth

29:58

thing is gonna be a buildup of cellular.

30:00

their waste and that's where essentially our cells

30:02

build up with cellular waste and autophagy, intermittent

30:04

fasting, that's how you get rid of it.

30:06

Which I know is, that's your favorite. Yeah,

30:08

no, but I do, since I have you

30:10

here as a skin expert, I do wanna

30:12

go into what fasting and autophagy does for

30:14

the skin because I saw in my own

30:17

clinic, like people with patients would walk in

30:19

the door and I could tell by the

30:21

glow of their skin if they were on

30:23

a fast or not. So we'll go through

30:25

that, but back to collagen. If

30:28

I take collagen, does

30:30

that do anything? Yeah,

30:32

so that's a great question. And if you were to talk,

30:34

as so many people, I talk about collagen on social media

30:36

and I get so many people say, you know what? My

30:39

family doctor told me that it's not worth

30:42

the money. How many times have I heard

30:44

that in comments? It's insane. Like, I don't

30:46

know what these family doctors are reading. Now,

30:48

if you were to say 10 years ago,

30:51

that the science shows that collagen supplements are

30:53

not necessarily proven to work or maybe the

30:55

science is not clear, then 10 years ago,

30:57

maybe that would be a reasonable conclusion to

31:00

make. But it's very different now.

31:02

Now there are many, many studies that

31:04

have looked at the effects of taking

31:06

a hydrolyzed collagen peptide supplement and

31:09

its effects on the skin. And the

31:11

studies are very clear that it supports

31:13

the health and the collagen content of

31:15

your skin. So for example, there

31:18

have been meta-analyses. There was one published in 2021 of

31:20

1,100 patients, another

31:23

one published just last year, 2023, of

31:25

over 1,700 patients who took hydrolyzed

31:28

collagen peptide supplements and after

31:30

about two to three months

31:32

found an increase, number one,

31:34

in the hydration of the skin, number

31:37

two, in the thickness of the skin, and number three,

31:39

there have even been studies that have actually put

31:41

people on these supplements. They have actually

31:44

drawn their blood afterwards and they have

31:46

biopsied their skin and found pro-collagen, which

31:48

is a collagen precursor in the blood

31:50

as well as an increase in the

31:53

collagen content in the skin

31:55

when you biopsy the skin. So

31:57

the studies really are very clear now. If

32:00

you don't know that, then it's just because you haven't

32:02

read the studies. And if people are saying nowadays that,

32:04

well, it's not clear, we don't know,

32:07

it's because you haven't actually looked at the

32:09

studies. The studies are very clear. Amazing. I

32:12

know at some point we'll go through supplementation, and

32:14

you'll hopefully give us some advice on what would

32:17

be the best collagen supplement, because I know people

32:19

listening are gonna be thinking that. Yeah,

32:21

it actually is really important because there

32:23

is a different, the argument that

32:25

people make that collagen supplements don't work is that

32:28

collagen is a large protein. And

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how do you know that that large protein is gonna

32:32

actually be digested and it's gonna

32:34

be absorbed by your body? And that's why

32:36

you wanna look for a hydrolyzed collagen supplement.

32:38

Because hydrolyzed in collagen, you take that large

32:41

protein and you break it down into individual

32:43

amino acids and peptides, which are smaller groups

32:45

of amino acids. It's done that way on

32:48

purpose so that your body can actually absorb

32:50

it. And once again, that's when they get

32:52

those blood tests and find

32:54

that there's an increase in collagen actually in

32:56

the blood after you ingest these supplements. Amazing,

32:59

amazing. Let's just put

33:01

a hypothetical situation out. I'm a

33:03

48 year old woman. I'm quickly

33:05

heading into my post-menopausal years. I'm

33:08

noticing wrinkles showing up. I'm not

33:10

sure I wanna go down the

33:12

Botox and filler pathway. Is

33:15

there a protocol or a strategy to

33:17

slow that process down? Yes,

33:19

so a number of things. The first thing

33:21

you do wanna speak with your doctor about

33:23

whether hormone replacement therapy is right for you.

33:25

There are studies that do show that women

33:27

on HRT actually have

33:29

a recurrence, or how would I describe

33:32

it? An increase, I guess, we're probably to use this way

33:34

to describe it, an increase in the amount of collagen in

33:36

their skin once they start HRT.

33:39

So it will actually replenish your skin

33:41

with collagen. So that's a number one

33:43

thing. Number two, sorry, go ahead. What

33:45

about testosterone? Before we move off the

33:48

hormone replacement, because again, just so my

33:50

audience knows, I've been playing around with

33:52

a bunch of different bioidenticals and

33:54

I can tell the days that I

33:56

do my estrogen cream and the days

33:58

I do my testosterone. and cream, I

34:01

absolutely see a difference in my skin. Interesting.

34:03

Yeah, I haven't seen any studies that have

34:05

looked specifically at testosterone. The ones that I've

34:07

seen has been estradiol. That's been the big

34:09

thing, is estrogen. So we do believe that

34:12

the drop in estrogen and menopause is one

34:14

of the big contributors to why our skin

34:16

thins so much. Yeah, okay. So yeah, I

34:18

can't comment on it because I haven't seen

34:20

any studies on it, but. Yeah, I mean,

34:22

I'm doing an N of one over here.

34:25

But I just noticed, because I've been paying

34:27

close attention to my skin, that those two

34:29

are the ones, I mean, progesterone helps me

34:32

sleep, which is amazing, but those two, I

34:34

see a change in skin. Yeah,

34:36

and so obviously you wanna look at a whole

34:38

body approach, because if one of the big ages

34:41

of skin is stress and lack

34:43

of sleep, and obviously you go through

34:45

perimenopause and you have increased

34:47

amounts of stress and anxiety, sleep patterns

34:50

get disrupted. So really, the stuff that

34:52

you have recommended, lifestyle

34:55

modifications, I have this in my book, Younger for Life,

34:57

but these are basic stuff that you've covered before, lifestyle

35:00

modifications to help increase sleep and stress and all

35:02

this, or reduce stress, all that's super important. But

35:04

when you're looking at, let's say, diet, then you're

35:06

gonna wanna look at, okay, what's gonna increase the

35:09

collagen content in my skin? Well, once again, collagen

35:11

is a big protein. And so you do wanna

35:13

increase the amount of protein that you eat because

35:16

you need those protein precursors

35:18

to promote collagen synthesis. Same

35:21

thing is vitamin C. Vitamin C is

35:24

definitely a precursor. It's very important for

35:26

creation of collagen. That's why we

35:28

learned way back in high school biology that

35:30

sailors would go off sailing out into the

35:32

ocean and they run out of fresh fruits

35:35

and vegetables. They develop scurvy due to lack

35:37

of vitamin C and they start getting skin

35:39

irritation, wounding of the skin and lesions and

35:41

all of that. So vitamin C

35:43

is super, super important. So really increase the

35:45

amount of healthy proteins that you eat. That's

35:48

number one. Number two, you definitely wanna get

35:50

on some vitamin C because that's gonna support

35:52

the collagen of the skin. And then bone

35:54

broth. Interestingly enough, there are studies that do

35:57

show that collagen supplements, like I mentioned, work.

35:59

The question... is, is does bone broth improve

36:01

the skin? You and I, we have

36:03

friends of ours that love bone broth, and they'll say,

36:06

look, I feel it in my skin. They're

36:08

actually, and we know that bone broth is

36:10

essentially pure collagen, but unfortunately

36:12

there aren't any studies that show that bone

36:14

broth can help improve the collagen of their

36:17

skin, but there aren't any studies that show

36:19

that it doesn't. So you just have to

36:21

assume that it probably does because it's pure

36:23

collagen. And so definitely I'm a fan of bone

36:25

broth. Okay, so I just did something, I love

36:29

bone broth. I've been using it on and

36:31

off for years. And recently I've fallen in

36:33

love with it more for a variety of

36:35

reasons. I like to play with different types

36:38

of fasts. And so it was like a

36:40

month ago, I was having some joint pain,

36:42

feeling really stiff. And I thought, let me

36:44

just fast for three days and all I'm

36:46

gonna do is bone broth. And I'm gonna

36:49

see if the collagen in the bone broth

36:51

will help between that and bringing

36:53

the inflammation down from the fasting, if it will

36:55

help the joints. And I decided

36:57

to add a little collagen powder to

36:59

the bone broth. So I was like,

37:01

let me double up on it. Absolutely,

37:03

after three days, I had so much

37:05

better mobility in the joints. The pain

37:07

had gotten away, but the interesting piece

37:09

that I noticed was my skin, not

37:12

only did it look more hydrated, but

37:14

the color of it even changed. Like

37:16

it was even like a brighter sort

37:18

of, natural color

37:20

of my skin. And I really, really

37:22

became a fan after that. Yeah, yeah.

37:24

And I think part of that is

37:26

the autophagy process too, with the fasting.

37:29

In my book, we have a 21 day

37:31

jumpstart where there's just three weeks and how

37:33

much change you're gonna see in your skin

37:35

in three weeks. It's impressive what you can

37:37

see with people. And what we did basically

37:39

is we cleaned up their diet in the

37:41

first week and then weeks two and three,

37:43

we put them essentially on an anti-inflammatory type

37:45

of a diet. We got rid of ultra

37:47

processed foods. We got rid of foods with

37:49

added sugars. We got rid of gluten and

37:51

dairy. So cleaned everything up. And then weeks

37:53

two and three, we just added just for

37:55

those people who haven't fasted before, two days

37:58

a week of a eight, six, eight hours.

38:00

16 fast where they just fast for those 16 hours

38:02

make it super easy for them and the thing that

38:04

we added that was I Thought really interesting as I

38:06

tried it is in the days that they

38:09

Refeed after fasting at

38:12

noon they go essentially on a ketogenic type

38:14

of a diet because we do know that

38:17

Even though eating high-fat foods may break

38:19

your fast. They actually can help support

38:21

autophagy So we put them on what

38:23

we call an autophagy supporting diet, which is going

38:25

to be high-fat foods moderate amount

38:27

of protein and very low carb and Literally

38:31

for three weeks We also put them on some

38:33

very basic supplements and we had them on a

38:35

very simple skincare routine literally taking two minutes a

38:37

day And what we would find

38:39

after three weeks was astounding, you know We started off

38:41

with a small group that we tested for my book

38:44

and then when the book came out we had a group of 10,000 people

38:47

who did this 21 day jumpstart

38:49

and Number one thing they

38:51

always said is their energy levels were through the roof And

38:54

then number two, they said their skin was vibrant

38:56

and glowing and then number three They said

38:59

we why they lost weight unwanted

39:01

weight So it's like crazy and I do think

39:03

a lot of that is the fasting Just

39:05

so we're clear that will end depression

39:07

as much as just if they had

39:09

Botox themselves. There you go Yeah, because

39:11

you I mean I firmly believe and this is a process

39:14

I call it Autogonation that

39:16

our bodies contain immense regenerative ability

39:18

is to turn back the clock

39:20

naturally But the key is we have

39:22

to give it the right tools in the right environment

39:25

for it to do so and that's why You

39:27

know I came out with a book is because I do believe

39:29

that the vast majority of people can take

39:31

these very simple steps that have nothing to do

39:33

with injections or surgery and Look and feel amazing

39:35

and hopefully never feel the need to have to

39:37

go see a doctor Right for this type of

39:39

thing. So now thank you for doing

39:41

that and I really will encourage everybody I

39:44

those of you listening to go and get

39:46

your book because we need more voices like

39:49

yours to be heard Thank you because women

39:51

are I this is the

39:53

way I explain it We've gone from

39:55

a cultural hush around menopause to cultural

39:57

chaos and nobody knows who to

39:59

believe or where to go. And I'm

40:01

always like, I feel like my

40:03

job is really to help people think it

40:05

through so they find out what's right for

40:07

them. And when I hear a book like

40:10

yours, Younger for Life and how you approach

40:12

it, I'm like, yes, this is the skin

40:14

book, the anti-aging book that I truly have

40:16

been looking to endorse and to get out

40:18

there because we need this

40:20

approach as opposed to the either

40:23

you're screwed, good luck, or

40:26

you got to go down this other route. Well,

40:28

and what's going on now in

40:30

plastic surgery is that because menopause, everybody's

40:32

talking about menopause now because

40:35

of you and so many other physicians who are

40:37

bringing it out there and saying, look, women have

40:39

been gaslit, they have been ignored, and they just

40:41

have not been given the medical care that they've

40:43

needed and the attention that they need for these

40:45

symptoms for, I mean, millennia, that

40:48

there are plastic surgeons now who are making

40:50

up their own menopause makeover. And

40:52

these are operations meant to help

40:54

women in menopause. It's like, I

40:57

mean, it's terrible. It's horrible. Absolutely, it's just

40:59

this marketing gimmick. And it's like, oh my

41:01

gosh, come on. Like, this is the opposite

41:03

of why women are out there talking about

41:05

menopause is because we don't need guys going

41:07

out there saying, hey, hey, I have this

41:10

great menopause makeover. Come on and let me

41:12

show you how these implants and this tummy

41:14

tuck are gonna be the best for you

41:16

now that you've through menopause. Thank you, thank

41:18

you for saying that. I wanna go back

41:20

to the protein conversation and the

41:22

example you gave of the sample group for

41:24

your book and what you noticed when you

41:26

put them in the keto autophagy diet. One

41:29

of the things that I've been really trying

41:31

to square in my brain is

41:33

on one side of the equation, we have

41:36

this conversation about more protein, more protein. You

41:38

need one gram of protein for every pound

41:40

of ideal body weight in

41:42

order to build muscle. And when I

41:44

look at that, I'm like, okay, I agree

41:46

with that. But then on the other side

41:48

of the equation, we have, guess what, if

41:50

you stimulate autophagy, which by the nature of

41:52

stimulating autophagy, you can't keep, your protein amount

41:54

can't be higher than 20 grams. And

41:57

now you're gonna look younger and you're gonna

41:59

clear out just like. like you said, you're

42:01

gonna rejuvenate your system. How

42:03

do I square those two things?

42:05

And then the third part of

42:08

that is where does a plant-based

42:10

diet fit into that? And that

42:12

combination of topics has everybody confused.

42:15

And I think it's because I don't think

42:17

that there is an easy answer for everybody.

42:19

So for people who are plant-based, I honestly,

42:21

I set them aside in a different category

42:24

because I have friends of

42:26

mine who are plant-based. I'm good friends

42:28

with Dr. Joel Kahn. He's a plant-based

42:30

vegan cardiologist. And I feel like with

42:32

plant-based, it's a lifestyle choice that's made

42:34

based off your ethics. And

42:36

I think there's some people who can really do

42:38

great with a plant-based diet. You gotta be very

42:40

intelligent and you really gotta look at your micros

42:43

and make sure you're getting everything that you need in

42:45

your diet. And there's some people I think that just

42:48

can't do well with it. It's just, it's not possible.

42:50

And you and I both know so many people

42:52

who've gone plant-based and they feel great initially. And

42:55

then as time goes on, they start gaining weight.

42:57

They start finding that really, I

42:59

think what happens initially is they clean

43:01

up their diet, they go plant-based, they

43:03

get rid of the industrial farmed meats

43:05

and a lot of the ultra-processed foods

43:07

and they get excited that they're plant-based

43:09

or eating healthy and then they fall

43:11

back into old habits. But they're still

43:13

going plant-based, but plant-based at that point

43:15

becomes like Twinkies and ultra-processed foods that

43:17

just don't have meat in it. And

43:20

then they start feeling crummy. They do like, somebody

43:22

this weekend I met who used a

43:24

plant-based diet to heal herself from

43:27

cancer, which is interesting. She calls

43:29

it dirty vegan. It's

43:31

a dirty vegan diet. And I was like,

43:33

oh yeah, cause I, so I was throughout

43:35

my whole Twinkies, I was vegan and

43:37

I hit 30 and I was overweight. I was

43:39

not, my energy was horrible. And I literally woke

43:42

up one day and I was like, I have

43:44

to eat meat. And the minute

43:46

I started to bring meat back into the

43:48

equation, I really started to see a change.

43:51

Now, fast forward to this moment. I've been

43:53

really prioritizing meat because I agree with you.

43:55

I agree with some of the other experts

43:57

out there that are really talking about this,

44:00

but I also. feel like for the menopausal

44:02

women, we have this, we've got to be

44:04

focused on plants as well because we have

44:07

a set of bacteria that break estrogen down.

44:09

And if we're not feeding that bacteria, then we

44:11

don't even have the estrogen to make our skin

44:14

look good. So you

44:16

got like both sides of the conversation.

44:19

So I mean, you're an expert with this,

44:21

but I think really it comes down to

44:23

is I think there's a big trend away

44:25

from kind of the extreme fast. Yes, thank

44:27

you. Interestingly

44:29

enough, when you look at,

44:31

let's say Dr. David Sinclair's work, and

44:33

if you look at what he has written, a

44:35

lot of it is like reducing protein to help

44:38

with overall longevity and one of the things you

44:40

can do. But the problem is, is that there

44:42

was a study that showed that if you're over

44:44

the age of 50 and you break your hip,

44:47

in the first like five years afterwards, there's like

44:49

a 20 to 40%

44:51

mortality rate if that happens. And

44:53

so having strength, muscle strength training,

44:55

building up your muscle, making sure

44:58

you're strong and limber and it's

45:00

so, so important. So how do you reconcile that?

45:02

I think that there is a happy medium there

45:04

for most people and they have to figure out

45:07

kind of where that is. You

45:09

need to get stronger as you get older

45:11

because yeah, you have to make sure that

45:13

you got enough muscle so that you can

45:15

be strong and you don't break your hip

45:17

and you don't die from that. But at

45:19

the same time, I think for me, I'm

45:21

not a fan of the carnivore diet because

45:23

I do believe that you may be robbing

45:25

Peter today to pay Paul in the future

45:27

with issues let's say with heart disease and even

45:30

potential cancer and stuff if you are

45:32

not eating sufficient amounts of plants and

45:34

using meat as more of that kind

45:36

of side dish that's definitely necessary but

45:38

not necessarily you don't want to overload

45:41

on it. Yeah. So

45:43

let's go back to this idea of autophagy

45:45

because that's a topic I know extremely well

45:47

and I always think of it in terms

45:49

of systemic effects. But

45:52

I want to understand a little more

45:54

clearly why it affects the skin and

45:56

why does it affect the

45:58

color of the skin because back to what I saw

46:00

in my clinic all the time. I

46:03

literally, the patient didn't have to tell

46:05

me they were fasting. I could see

46:07

it on their skin. And the

46:09

way I would explain it is there's a glow,

46:11

there's a color change. It's like, it literally looked

46:13

like the skin had brightened up. Yeah,

46:16

I think that part of it is due

46:18

to the reduction of inflammation and chronic inflammation

46:20

specifically. And when you're reducing

46:22

chronic inflammation with the autophagy, I do

46:24

think that you can see potentially an

46:27

increase in the vascularity of your skin.

46:29

So you're seeing a better blood supply

46:32

and basically more radiance to the skin. And we see that

46:34

really with a lot of the treatments that we do. But

46:37

what I saw when we put people

46:39

on these types of diets, anything from,

46:41

let's say, a five day fasting type

46:43

mimicking diet, which we trusted that out

46:45

with my employees and with some of our

46:47

patients, to what I'm recommending, which is something a little

46:49

simpler, where you do the intermittent fasting, a lot of

46:51

like what you say, I do think

46:54

that that autophagy process completely shows on the

46:56

skin. What are the specific

46:58

scientific mechanisms? It's difficult to say. And

47:00

I don't know that anybody's completely deduced that,

47:02

but I do think that what you're

47:04

seeing is an increase in vascularity to the

47:06

skin, blood supply essentially, and reduction of

47:08

that chronic inflammation. And when people are inflamed,

47:11

you can see sometimes they get like

47:13

a ruddy texture and an appearance to their

47:15

skin. You can see also at

47:17

the same time, it's red and blotchy, and

47:19

you can also see a lot of flatness

47:21

of the skin. People who are smokers, you

47:24

can really spot them right away because of

47:26

that kind of chronic inflammation and also

47:28

the oxidative processes that are going on with

47:30

that. So I think it's

47:32

multifactorial. Yeah, and I always think of

47:34

it like a Roomba, like it goes around your

47:37

body, how to just cleans up what it needs

47:39

to clean up. So now I have a visual

47:41

of a Roomba on my face when I fast.

47:44

So thank you for that. What

47:46

do you think about saunas? That was also

47:49

another thing that I recently started to see

47:51

some changes in my skin. I'm

47:53

doing a collaboration project with Six Senses Resorts.

47:55

I was in their location, the Swiss Alps,

47:58

and they had all these things. these

48:00

different saunas. So I spent three days doing

48:02

10 minutes in the sauna, two

48:04

minutes in a cold plunge. And the biggest

48:06

thing I noticed was changes in my skin.

48:09

Yeah, yeah. So I think there's a number of things

48:11

going on there. I mean, the first thing is you're

48:13

getting obviously rid of toxins. So it's reducing

48:15

your toxic load. Also you are increasing

48:17

circulation to the skin because of the

48:19

fact that it's warm and your body

48:21

itself will go into a mode basically

48:23

to cool itself off where the blood

48:25

goes outside of the body. It's not

48:27

trying to keep it inside. And then

48:29

the other thing that you're probably noticing

48:31

potentially is a similar effect is like

48:33

what you get with red light therapy.

48:36

And so the actual, I'm assuming you're doing

48:38

infrared saunas. So no,

48:41

they actually had four different saunas.

48:43

Yeah, they had four different. So they had, you could

48:45

go into a finished one, you can go into infrared,

48:48

you could go into steam. And then they had a

48:50

cold plunge and they recommended a protocol of in and

48:52

out of each one. So it was all of them.

48:55

Yeah, and it's probably a lot of this

48:57

is the idea the whole whole hormesis idea

48:59

that you've covered before on the podcast. And

49:01

it's that great thing where you stress your

49:03

body a little bit and it responds to

49:05

it by actually helping to

49:08

be younger afterwards. And interestingly enough,

49:10

we do a lot of laser treatments and you

49:12

can actually see the hormetic effect with the treatments

49:14

we do in the office. So for example, when

49:17

we do microneedling which is where you take tiny

49:19

little needles and you poke the skin, we are

49:21

creating an acute trauma to the skin by

49:23

traumatizing the skin in a very controlled

49:26

fashion and not going overboard with it.

49:28

You can damage the collagen and when

49:30

the collagen heals together, it

49:32

heals in a tighter fashion. So collagen basically is

49:34

that protein it's the way to describe it. It's

49:36

kind of like the logs of a log cabin.

49:38

And as you get older, those laws can become

49:40

frayed, they start to fall apart. Well,

49:43

when you get treatments whether it is

49:45

microneedling which uses actual physical

49:47

trauma, whether it's a laser that uses

49:49

light energy or a chemical peel that

49:51

uses an acid, you are damaging the

49:53

collagen. Now, if you damage it too

49:56

much, then you can

49:58

get scarring from it. But if you damage

50:00

it too much, it to a certain level,

50:02

so it's not too much, then it's literally

50:04

kind of like hormesis for the skin, where

50:07

your skin heals and it heals in a

50:09

tighter fashion and the skin is essentially more

50:12

youthful afterwards. And I do think that when

50:14

you're doing things like cold punches, you're doing

50:16

saunas, and you're even exercising, which is another

50:18

way to get that hormesis going, then you

50:21

are, there are studies that

50:23

show with exercise that you do look younger

50:25

if you exercise. There are those types of

50:27

benefits. I haven't seen any studies that looked

50:29

at cold plunging. I actually haven't seen anything

50:31

that has specifically looked at saunas, but it

50:33

does make sense that it would be the

50:35

same type of a mechanism. And

50:37

what about the red light masks? That

50:39

has become really popular. I

50:42

think these are great. And if anybody was thinking

50:44

about, hey, I want to get a cosmetic treatment

50:46

that's more than just skincare, but I don't necessarily

50:49

want to go see a doctor or go to

50:51

a med spa, then no question, red light therapy

50:53

is the number one easiest thing to do. And

50:55

so the belief behind how it works is that

50:57

the energy from the red light is taken up

51:00

by the mitochondria of your cells, and

51:02

that increases the actual ATP output of

51:04

the mitochondria. So you essentially are energizing

51:06

your cells. Now, is there

51:09

any science to show that red light therapy can

51:11

actually improve your skin? The answer is

51:13

yes. There have been studies that

51:15

have actually looked at people who've had red light therapy

51:17

sometimes for as little as four weeks. Usually you want

51:19

to do it a couple of times a week, maybe

51:21

for anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes, depending

51:24

on the device, and have found an

51:26

increase in the collagen and the elastin

51:28

content in the skin after

51:31

red light therapy. And so once

51:33

again, what happens after menopause? You

51:35

lose 30%, unfortunately, the

51:38

collagen thickness of your skin in those five years.

51:40

One way to fight that is red light therapy.

51:43

Yeah, interesting. Because I've gone through

51:45

the masks and looked at that.

51:47

Okay, the next trend that I've

51:49

seen really popular right now is

51:51

estradiol cream on your face. So

51:55

part of me is like, if I'm losing it

51:57

in my body, does that mean if I put

51:59

it in my face? on my skin it's gonna have

52:01

the same effect. You

52:03

know I think the challenge with something like that

52:06

is those creams are made for the mucosa of

52:08

the vaginal lining. And so they're

52:10

gonna get absorbed much more readily through

52:12

your mucosa. Putting it on the skin,

52:14

the skin itself serves as a barrier

52:16

function. It's why collagen creams are a

52:18

waste of money because collagen's a large

52:20

protein and it's not gonna get through

52:22

the skin barrier. I

52:24

don't know that using, I've never seen a study that

52:26

has looked at estrogen creams for the

52:29

face or in general for

52:31

the skin. But my guess is that you're

52:33

gonna get very little of that estrogen that's

52:35

actually gonna penetrate the stratum corneum, that outer

52:37

layer of your skin. And

52:40

those creams, if they're made for the vaginal

52:42

walls, they're not gonna be formulated for your

52:44

skin. In general it may be a waste

52:46

of your time and money. What I've seen

52:48

is they're now formulating them for the skin.

52:50

Are they? Okay, I haven't seen those yet. I don't know.

52:53

Yeah, so if you start to, if you change

52:55

your mind on that, let me know. Yeah,

52:57

I mean, if you can get

52:59

it through the stratum corneum, then it does

53:02

seem to make sense that it could potentially

53:04

make a difference because you know the estrogen

53:06

creams in the vagina definitely work and it

53:08

can help to thicken the vaginal walls and

53:10

make it more lubricated and more comfortable for

53:12

women. But I haven't seen anything of

53:14

it on the skin yet. What

53:16

about stem cells? There's some really interesting stem

53:18

cell therapy for the skin. Do those work?

53:21

Yeah, so right now actually it's more axizomes

53:23

that are really exciting. Stem cells,

53:25

you can't technically use a whole lot here in

53:27

the United States, unfortunately, unless you're in an IRB

53:30

approved study. But they are

53:32

using especially plant-based axizomes. So

53:34

axizomes essentially are kind

53:37

of cellular messengers. They carry different types of

53:39

messages to the cells. It's being

53:41

used a lot right now in wound care. So

53:43

if you've got, let's say, a non-healing wound, then

53:45

axizomes can be used to help to cause

53:48

that wound to heal faster. It's being used a

53:50

lot with laser treatments. So if

53:52

you're healing from a treatment like lasers or

53:54

chemical peels, then there are some companies who

53:56

are using axizomes to help heal faster. where

54:00

I have axizomes in skincare, it's

54:02

kind of like an advanced form

54:05

of peptides. So peptides, I mentioned

54:07

earlier, peptides are proteins. Peptides in

54:09

skincare essentially are cellular messengers to

54:12

message your skin cells

54:14

to create more collagen. So once

54:16

again, one thing to look at,

54:18

we haven't talked about skincare yet,

54:20

but as part of a skincare

54:23

regimen in women who are perimenopause

54:25

and postmenopause, postmenopausal is to look

54:27

for a peptide-based creams because they

54:29

are specifically formulated to increase the

54:31

collagen production of your skin. Now,

54:34

axizomes, they can

54:37

do that, but they can do a

54:39

lot more. Depending on what is created

54:41

with the axizomes, they can cause your

54:43

skin, like I said, to heal faster,

54:45

they can create more collagen, they can

54:47

reduce inflammation. It just depends on the

54:49

axizomes that you're using and how they're

54:51

formulated and what their actual purpose is.

54:53

So they're very, very exciting. They're really

54:55

in the infancy of the use of

54:57

axizomes. Right now with stem cells,

54:59

it's more plant-based stem cells. Then

55:02

the plant-based stem cells, the problem is there's

55:04

a lot of marketing behind it, and is there

55:07

anything truly that's all that different? I would

55:09

go more with the axizome companies at this point

55:11

over stem cells because I think there's probably definitely

55:13

more real science to that versus, hey, I've

55:15

got this stem cell, plant-based stem cell in this

55:17

cream, it's $20, you should use it. Is

55:21

it really doing much? Okay, let's

55:23

finish up on skincare and a

55:25

routine and what your recommendations are

55:27

there because that is

55:30

also the Wild Wild West. So

55:32

actually I just had a podcast episode

55:35

that I did on my podcast called

55:37

the Menopause Skincare Routine. Thank you, I

55:39

will go listen to it. Your skincare

55:41

routine has to change throughout

55:44

your life. You can't do the same thing when you're

55:46

at 20s versus when you're in

55:48

your 40s and in your 50s and beyond. So

55:50

what do you do for a simple menopause-related skincare

55:52

routine? Number one, you cleanse your skin in the

55:55

morning. So we'll do morning and evening. Thank you.

55:57

So in the morning, you cleanse your skin with

55:59

a cleanser. are appropriate for your skin type. If

56:02

let's say you have oily skin then you're gonna want

56:04

to go with a more foaming cleanser. Women

56:06

after menopause and perimenopausal usually the skin is

56:08

an oily it's drier. I was gonna say

56:10

I've never met an oily menopausal woman. So

56:13

you're gonna want to go with a more

56:15

milky or a hydrating cleanser. So don't just

56:17

go with anything go with one that's more

56:19

milky or hydrating. You want to

56:21

follow that up ideally with a vitamin c

56:23

serum. Vitamin c is an

56:25

antioxidant so it can help fight free

56:27

radicals and oxidation one of the main

56:30

cause of aging of the skin. But

56:32

as I mentioned before also it's important

56:34

for production of collagen. So using a

56:36

vitamin c serum is super important and

56:39

then we usually recommend some type of

56:41

a peptide cream like I mentioned. Peptide

56:43

once again cellular signals to create more

56:45

collagen and then I do recommend if

56:47

you're going to be out in the

56:49

sun I do recommend using a sunscreen.

56:51

There is a whole discussion that can be had

56:53

regarding sunscreen. I was just I was gonna say

56:56

uh-oh now I got another question. The

56:58

big thing with sunscreen you know my feeling

57:00

with it is comes from a place

57:03

kind of twofold. Number one there are certain

57:06

ingredients in sunscreen that you want to look

57:08

out for. Oxybenzone and octanoxate

57:10

are very common chemical sunscreen ingredients

57:12

that are known to be potential

57:15

hormone disruptors and they're disrupted to

57:17

the coral reefs and so try

57:19

to avoid those in your sunscreen.

57:22

In general I recommend physical blockers like

57:24

titanium dioxide and zinc oxide. The problem

57:27

with the physical blockers is that if

57:29

you're a person of color it can

57:31

really change the color of your skin.

57:34

And so if you don't want to have

57:36

that kind of whitish hue to your skin

57:38

and you want to protect your skin then

57:40

I encourage you to go with a chemical

57:42

sunscreen that is safer one like avobenzone and

57:44

mexoral xl. Avobenzone and mexoral

57:46

xl are chemical sunscreens. You can

57:49

put them on your skin and it will blend into your skin. You're

57:51

not going to get that kind of thick

57:53

feel to it as much and it's not going

57:56

to discolor your skin and they have not been

57:58

shown to be hormone disruptors. So

58:00

those do appear to be safe. Big

58:02

thing you wanna avoid are the sunscreen sprays that

58:04

you see, people doing that at the beach where

58:06

their kids are spraying them down and now they're

58:08

breathing those chemicals in their lungs. Definitely

58:11

wanna avoid that, spray it into your hand and then

58:13

apply it to your child if you've got those. Now-

58:16

Do they block vitamin D? That's my

58:18

other concern. So they can and

58:20

I think the thing to do is get your

58:22

vitamin D, get your sun in the morning or

58:24

in the evening. A half hour a day, you

58:27

know, depending on what your vitamin D levels are,

58:29

I'm definitely a fan of supplementation. I know you

58:31

are as well as supplementing vitamin D. You

58:33

know, I'm a plastic surgeon and I tell you, Mindy,

58:36

I can't tell you how many people have come into

58:38

my office with a small skin

58:40

cancer on their face, like a basal

58:42

cell carcinoma or on their nose, they

58:44

go to a dermatologist and then they

58:46

come back to me with a huge

58:48

chunk taken off their nose or part

58:50

of their eyelid missing or part of

58:52

their lip gone. It is horrifying. You

58:54

do not want skin cancer on your

58:56

face, period. I am fearful. One

58:58

of my favorite actors, Hugh Jackman, he's had

59:01

so many skin cancers on his face, such

59:03

a good looking guy. I fear for the day where it's

59:05

going to be in the wrong place that's

59:08

going to create a deformity. So I'm a

59:10

fan of sunscreen. At the same

59:12

time, I understand there's so many therapeutic benefits of

59:14

the sun. You need to get vitamin D. You

59:17

know, it's like we talked about before, I do think

59:19

that there's a happy medium there for people. You don't

59:21

want to get burn after burn after burn. Yeah. Okay,

59:24

then finish. Were you done with the morning technique?

59:27

So that's morning. So morning, most

59:29

important thing, hydrating, milky

59:31

cleanser, vitamin C serum,

59:34

and then you want to do the sunscreen. And

59:36

ideally you want to apply moisturizer too, just because

59:38

your skin's going to be drier. Moisturizers

59:40

are not anti-aging, okay? They will not

59:42

reverse the aging of your skin. They're

59:44

purely for comfort. But you may need

59:46

that comfort as you get older because

59:48

your skin's going to be drier and

59:50

it may be a bit thinner, okay?

59:54

What do you do in the evening? If you only

59:56

cleanse your skin once a day, make sure you do

59:58

it in the evening because you got to get rid

1:00:00

of the days worth of grime. and dirt and pollution

1:00:02

and build up and especially the makeup. A lot of

1:00:05

people, as you get older, will actually do an oil

1:00:07

cleanse as well. Do a double cleanse or just cleanse

1:00:09

with oil. Oil itself is gonna

1:00:11

leave a lot of your essential, healthy oils

1:00:13

on your skin. It's going to

1:00:15

not disrupt the microbiome of your skin as

1:00:17

much. And especially as you're getting older, you

1:00:19

may find that an oil-based cleanser may be

1:00:21

more comfortable for your skin and it's great

1:00:23

at removing makeup. So think about

1:00:26

an oil-based cleanser. Follow

1:00:28

that up with, if you can tolerate

1:00:30

it, a retinol. Retinols are

1:00:32

derivatives of vitamin A. Retin A or Tretinoin

1:00:34

is prescription strength that's likely gonna be too

1:00:37

strong for your skin as you get older.

1:00:40

Retinol is a over-the-counter version.

1:00:42

It's much weaker. Ideally,

1:00:44

that can help to increase the collagen

1:00:46

in your skin if you use it

1:00:49

regularly. Okay, so a retinol moisturizer is

1:00:51

great. If, however, you're finding that that's

1:00:53

a bit too drying for you, then look for a

1:00:55

cream that contains bacuchiol. Bacuchiol

1:00:58

is an alternative retinol. There was a

1:01:00

study that found that bacuchiol and retinol

1:01:02

had very similar anti-aging effects, but

1:01:05

bacuchiol did not have the skin

1:01:07

irritating effects that retinol did. So

1:01:10

ideally, bacuchiol, you may tolerate better as

1:01:12

you get older, and then you do

1:01:14

wanna apply a good, powerful moisturizer after

1:01:16

that. A good night cream can really

1:01:18

be helpful to kind of soak

1:01:21

in that moisture and keep it in your

1:01:23

skin overnight so that that active can work

1:01:25

well. And very simple tip too, after you

1:01:27

get out of the shower, after your shower,

1:01:30

put your moisturizer on within two minutes of

1:01:32

accessing the shower on your

1:01:34

whole body, because that's gonna help to reduce

1:01:36

the dryness that you're gonna most likely feel

1:01:38

as you get older as well. Amazing, amazing.

1:01:40

Well, I could talk to you for hours.

1:01:42

Like I'm like, oh, and then I have

1:01:44

this question. I think probably everybody listening is

1:01:46

feeling the same way. Talk a little bit

1:01:48

about where we can find your book and

1:01:50

just you in general. I

1:01:52

watched you get real famous on TikTok a couple

1:01:54

of years back, and that really worked, that was

1:01:56

really an interesting moment. So anyways. talk about where

1:01:58

people can find you. Yeah, thank you. So my

1:02:01

book is Younger for Life. It's available wherever books

1:02:03

are sold. We do have a bunch of free

1:02:05

gifts at autojubination.com if you do get the book.

1:02:07

And then I've got my podcast, The Dr. Yoon

1:02:09

Show, that I'd love to have you on, especially

1:02:11

to help promote when your book comes out. And

1:02:13

that's The Dr. Yoon Show. Thank you so much

1:02:15

for having me on, Mindy. This was a lot

1:02:17

of fun. I know, I was gonna say we

1:02:19

have a lot of similarities, especially when

1:02:22

it comes to nutrition. And so

1:02:24

I just think, you know, I've been trying to

1:02:26

make things more simple for people. It was just

1:02:28

like, how do we take this noisy world of

1:02:30

nutrition and simplify it? And when I look at

1:02:32

what you did with Younger for Life, like you

1:02:34

definitely have done that. So thank you for that.

1:02:37

It's really helpful for all of us. So

1:02:39

my last question, this is one I ask everybody this

1:02:41

year, because I think it's

1:02:44

a simple question, but I

1:02:46

also think most people don't have a

1:02:48

very clear answer. And that is, what

1:02:50

does health mean to you? How

1:02:52

do you know when you are healthy? Yeah,

1:02:55

to me, I think there's so many facets of it,

1:02:57

the big thing I try to focus on, especially lately

1:02:59

is gratitude. I've got a son who's

1:03:01

actually graduating high school in a week and a half.

1:03:03

Oh God, congrats. And I'm just so grateful that he's

1:03:05

doing well. And one of the things we try to

1:03:07

do is give back. We adopt senior dogs. That's my

1:03:09

wife and I. That's kind of our big passion and

1:03:12

our mission. And, you know, one of the things, and

1:03:14

I put this in the book, but one of the things that you

1:03:16

notice is when you see, you know, we adopt dogs that are usually

1:03:18

12, 13, 14 years old, and

1:03:21

they're so happy. And you see

1:03:23

how they get a little gray around

1:03:25

the muzzle. They may not be quite

1:03:27

as mobile as they used to be, but they're

1:03:30

just so happy and they live in the moment.

1:03:32

And that's how we should be getting older,

1:03:34

just to appreciate and have

1:03:37

so much gratitude that we're on this world and

1:03:39

that we're enjoying it. And we've got loved ones

1:03:41

around. To me, that's health,

1:03:43

you know? It's feeling that gratitude

1:03:45

and that love and trying to give it as

1:03:47

much as we can to others around us. And

1:03:50

there's nothing more beautiful than

1:03:52

interacting with a grateful human.

1:03:55

So I think that is really, really well

1:03:57

said, you know? I've looked at older people.

1:03:59

women in their 80s and 90s.

1:04:01

My mom is one of them. I think she's

1:04:04

one of the most beautiful 84-year-olds I've ever seen.

1:04:06

And she just is bursting with gratitude. But yeah,

1:04:08

she's got a lot of wrinkles, but she's so

1:04:11

good. But beauty is health. That's the

1:04:13

thing. Beauty is health. And so you

1:04:15

don't necessarily, you know, you can have

1:04:17

a ton of wrinkles, that's okay, sagging

1:04:19

skin, and still be absolutely, gorgeously beautiful.

1:04:22

Yeah. Well, Dr. Yoon, thank you

1:04:24

so much. This was great. And I know my

1:04:26

audience is going to love all of this. So

1:04:28

appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thank

1:04:32

you so much for joining me

1:04:34

in today's episode. I love bringing

1:04:37

thoughtful discussions about all things health

1:04:39

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1:04:41

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