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Welcome to a new week of The Insiders.

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Here's your Monday edition. Judy Batista and Ian

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Rapaport joining me. Mike Garofalo,

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Jamal Williams Saints running back. You're

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always going to want to see him when he's on camera, and

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he will be coming up shortly. And Brown's

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general manager Andrew Berry

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will join us. Or is it his twin brother

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Adam Berry. We'll explain that one later

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in the show, but let's get right to the news. Bengals

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wide receiver t Higgins,

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he had a franchise tag placed on him

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back in March. He has now officially

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signed that tender. It is a one year

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contract worth twenty one point

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eight million dollars.

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It is fully guaranteed.

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It is not a long term deal that

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is what Higgins was

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looking for. Does not seem like that is in the

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offing in the near future, But at the very

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least the Bengals know, Judy they're going to have their

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wide receiver for the start of training camp.

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Yeah, it seemed inevitable really, from

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the minute that the franchise tag window opened.

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They put the tag on him about as quickly

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as a team could do it.

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It doesn't appear that a long term contract

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is in the off thing right now, because it certainly

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appears they want to work on Jamar Chase

1:14

first. They want to keep the band together

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though for another season never seemed

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like they were going to trade him. They want

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to make another run for it, and then we will

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see what happens next offseason.

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But in the meantime t Higgins back

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with the Bengals, they will have Burrow and Jamar

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Chase. This is what happens when

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teams have young players and they play

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really well. Everybody wants to get

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paid and everybody cannot get paid at the same

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time.

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That's exactly right.

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This is why it's really hard to keep really good

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championship teams together because the great players

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want a lot of money. And this feels significant

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for t Higgins obviously, as Mike mentioned,

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wanted that long term deal. The fact that he signed

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his franchise Tag Laxman

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one year fully guaranteed means

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he's going to show up to training camp. Had

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he not, he could have stayed away, arrived

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whenever he wanted, just

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would have got paid essentially for the games that he played.

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Now he is under contract like every other player,

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and my understanding guys. The situation

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here is it is considered unlikely

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that T. Higgins will end up getting the long

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term extension that he wants,

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and he saw all of the receivers,

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all his brethren, get paid

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right before him. All this does

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is just raise the bar and raise the bar

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for when Higgins eventually gets paid, perhaps

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in free agency next year.

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Yeah.

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T Higgins agent David Mullageta

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had Jesse Bates a franchise tag

2:35

safety for the Bengals, so he's been through this dance

2:38

with Cincinnati before wound up getting Baits

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paid in free agency.

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To head to Atlanta.

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This could happen with Higgins as well

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elsewhere on the wide receiver. I

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don't want to call out the market because he's not on the market.

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Brandon Ayuk is under contract.

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Will he get a contract extension? He's been

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looking for one from the forty nine ers, we've been

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trying to get one done. Here's Ayuk though, talking

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to his longtime friend and former

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ASU teammate Jade and Daniels, quarterback

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of the Commanders.

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Camp bro.

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Cam.

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He got me vlogging me.

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What they

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said.

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They said they don't want me bad the

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Sun.

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Jayden Daniels very excited because he's saying, let's.

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Go now and trade for Brandon. I give him

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the long term deal he's looking for.

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I would put a little asterisk on the end

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of that.

3:36

Sorry to be uh the spoiler here,

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Ian as I throw it to you.

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Uh.

3:40

The Uniteds do want him back, they just

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don't want him back at the number that he wants.

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Right now, they are still apart.

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My first reaction to this, seeing it was on

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TikTok, was like, wow, who filmed

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this and posted it? But it was

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literally Brandon Ayuk who filmed it himself.

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I don't know if he was actually doing the filming, but he certainly

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did the posting, clearly sending

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a message to his former team and maybe

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everyone that in his mind, the forty

4:04

nine ers don't want it, but they do want him.

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They just want him at their price.

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It is not a negotiation to my knowledge,

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that has been completely dead. They just

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have not done a deal yet. And it's pretty

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clear that Brendan nu Yuk wants the kind of money that

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aman Ra Saint Brown ended up

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making about twenty eight million dollars average over the

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first three years of his deal. The forty nine

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Ers are not there yet. They like him,

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they really like him. They just have not been able

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to come together on a deal. So maybe that's kind

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of the feeling that Brendan nu Yuk

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was trying to give out.

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You know.

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He also when he posted this,

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he said, I'm laughing, but I'm

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really crying or crying really laughing something

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like that. Negotiations

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can include sharp elbows, right like feelings

4:46

get hurt. Things are said in negotiations.

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Teams want players at the

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price they want them at. It doesn't, as you said,

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they want him. They just want him at a

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price that it does not meet the price

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that he wants to get. As

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we had said before, the market for wide

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receivers has exploded. He

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obviously has a number in mind. The Niners

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have a different number in mind. It doesn't

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mean a deal cannot get done. We

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had set it over and over again. The Niners

5:14

have been comfortable in the past letting their superstar

5:16

negotiations go all the way through the summer.

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So stay tuned.

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I should add also another connection in Washington.

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Adam Peters with with San Francisco now the general

5:25

manager in Washington. So you start to put

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the pieces together and say that could be a destination

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for.

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Him, but it could have been a destination a while ago.

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The Niners have never had any fruitful trade

5:35

talks with any other teams. Again, like

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you said, I and these negotiations, they are not

5:39

dead, but at some point we got to figure out are

5:41

these sides going to move together moving forward

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or do they have to go.

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Their separate way? Ian beat it a second.

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I'm going to bring in Jane Slater here

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to join me and Judy because we want

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to talk another wide receive. We got a wide

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receiver thing happening here. If you haven't

5:55

figured out the theme, So Jane

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get in here. Let's talk about Cedee Lamb, who

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is not at present for mandatory

6:02

minichamp and obviously wants his own lucrative

6:04

contract extension.

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Where do we stand on that one?

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I feel like it can almost just roll the tape

6:10

back from your segment on Brandon A Yok and say

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all of those points also apply here

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to Ceedee Lamb. Like Judy said, they

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want him here, but maybe not necessarily

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at the number that Ceede Lamb and his agent

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are looking for. We'll see

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how this thing shakes out throughout the summer.

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You know, as you said, he wasn't here. They were

6:28

able to get the two Jalens involved, the Jalen

6:30

Tolbert and the Jalen Brooks. Well,

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I'm old enough to remember when they didn't think that

6:35

Ceedee Lamb.

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Was the guy.

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Remember, guys, we were talking about OBJ

6:38

and the sweepstakes to bring him to Dallas. After

6:40

that discussion, I remember it very vividly. It was

6:42

right around when they were getting ready to play Green

6:44

Bay. Remember that was Mike McCarthy's first game

6:47

back. All of a sudden, CD stepped out as

6:49

a bona fide one, and I think a lot

6:51

of people could argue that he is in line

6:53

with some of these receivers that are getting paid this summer.

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A lot of agents I've talked to have said

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he's going to be a little bit below just and Jefferson,

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and things have gotten contentious as

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it relates to, you know, Judy, bring us up.

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It is a business.

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There hasn't been a lot of tough talking on either

7:08

side though. I thought that's everyone's been kind of respectable

7:10

on this one.

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But we'll see if this gets done.

7:13

Closer to camp, typically they do.

7:17

Well.

7:17

This is a little bit more complicated because the

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Cowboys have a whole lot of contract issues

7:21

to deal with. Dak Prescott also, and

7:24

of course the quarterback market has also

7:26

exploded, so they're going to have to prioritize

7:28

what comes first, Dak, CD

7:31

Michael Parsons, which way do you go? And in the meantime,

7:33

CD Lamb is sitting there and again watching

7:36

each wide receiver contract go up,

7:38

up, up, makes it harder and harder to

7:40

get these guys under contract.

7:42

Davie running running

7:44

back.

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Sorry, the vision in the wide receiver room, the running

7:48

back room, Gead take it?

7:49

You got?

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Yeah, the running backs thing. I wanted to jump in here.

7:53

Guys, as we're talking about sort of the uncertainty of CD

7:55

Lamb, how about the uncertainty of the starter

7:57

at running back. They keep talking this to

8:00

be a running back by committee. Well, the last time in Dallas

8:02

we saw the true running backs by committee was

8:04

the year I was born. No, let's go back to nineteen eighty

8:07

when they had you know, guys like

8:09

Tony Dorset, New House, Ron

8:11

Springs. Any of those names sound familiar

8:13

to our younger audience, Probably only Tony

8:16

Dorset. The point I'm trying to make here is

8:18

they sorted did this running backs by committee thing last

8:20

year didn't work. Now Ezekiel Elliott

8:22

went to New England. He was splitting

8:25

the roll up there, took over the starting position at the

8:27

end of the summer. I still think he's going

8:29

to be your lead back.

8:30

I just don't think they're.

8:31

Going to be asking him to do as much as they did.

8:33

In the past.

8:33

But they've got a number of guys on the roster right

8:36

now, Royce Freeman, I got to use my notes

8:38

ric O'donald Doucevawan Hunter, Lepkey, Malink

8:40

Davis Snoop Connor, and then they added

8:42

Nathaniel Peene. So as many as seven here

8:45

they're going to be battling out at camp. Certainly, what we're

8:47

going to be talking about a lot as we have itc.

8:49

Come to you.

8:51

Shout out class. In nineteen eighty it was

8:53

a great year to be born, Ain't that right?

8:55

Ian Rappaport, Yes,

8:59

it was.

9:00

As a matter of fact, that's when I was born. Did you know

9:02

that anyway?

9:03

I think Tua Tamo was born

9:05

maybe a little bit later as a young man, unlike my

9:07

old self.

9:08

Let's turn our attention go from.

9:10

Dallas all the way to Miami

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and welcome in a couple of my buddies. Cameron

9:15

Wolfu is of course based in Miami and very

9:18

very in tune with everything that's going on with

9:20

the Dolphins. And then Mark Ross joining us

9:22

from parts unknown with that

9:25

very very colorful shirt.

9:27

He is our front office expert.

9:28

I want to go from the big contract

9:31

that Ceedee Lamb has wanted and

9:33

has not yet gotten to Tua, talk

9:35

about Lola Cammon and obviously this has been a storyline

9:37

we've been discussing the last several months.

9:40

We saw last week Trevor Lawrence

9:42

got paid fifty five million.

9:44

Dollars per year, So

9:47

then we got to ask about Tua. What

9:49

is the latest on his situation.

9:51

Yeah, and the Dolphins in Tuatungue of Bilo's

9:54

agent Ryan Williams, continue to discuss

9:56

a long term deal. Nothing done yet, but

9:58

I'm told it's the dolphins number one PROBA and

10:00

there's still a hope from both sides to get a deal

10:02

before the start of the regular season. But seeing

10:05

quarterbacks like Jared Golf and Trevor Lawrence get

10:07

those huge fifty three to fifty five

10:09

million dollars a year and new money deals

10:11

only adds to the urgency. The last

10:13

time we spoke to to a couple of weeks ago at

10:15

Dolphins Mini camp, he struggled to find a

10:18

word to describe his emotions before settling

10:20

on antsy, and he also said the market

10:22

is the market in regards to golf's

10:24

extension, well to us, probably the most

10:27

polarizing quarterback I've ever covered in terms

10:29

of public opinion, but his numbers tell the story.

10:31

He played all.

10:32

Eighteen games last year, staying healthy, let the NFL

10:34

in passing, led Miami to a number one

10:36

passing offense. Really, he's in the

10:39

market as far as stats of the golf

10:41

and the lawrences. The next mark is training

10:43

camp six weeks away. It was notable

10:46

that he did practice during the spring, but didn't

10:48

do eleven on eleven drills. If it's not done

10:50

by then does that continue into training

10:53

camp. All of Miami's star players have

10:55

been vocal to it needs to be claid, including

10:57

Tyreek Hill, and so I don't think there's

10:59

any concerned from what I hear, But

11:02

ultimately they have to get this deal done, and

11:04

I think they will before they start of seeing.

11:07

One hundred percent agree with you that they have to

11:09

get done, and they will get it done.

11:11

And despite all the consternation and polarizing

11:15

opinions about Tua. Whoever

11:17

the next quarterback up is, they

11:20

get paid and it doesn't matter if you're

11:22

better than this guy or that guy. Unlike

11:24

we were, what we're seeing in the wide receiver market

11:26

where there still is a little bit of that, well,

11:28

what is the true value with the quarterback?

11:31

It's just the next guy up. It's just like

11:33

going to pay gas for your car.

11:35

Whatever the price is, you're going to pay it. You may complain,

11:37

but you're going to put gas in your car. And I

11:40

was a part of in twenty fifteen

11:42

talking about a polarizing quarterback with Eli

11:44

Manning. We gave him that four year, eighty

11:47

four billion dollar extension at the time

11:49

that twenty one million dollars a year hide

11:52

Aaron Rodgers for an NFL record, And of course

11:54

people were saying, well, Eli's not as good as Aaron

11:56

Rodgers, why are you paying him?

11:58

But on front edge of what.

12:01

The trend is now e and of if

12:03

you got a guy, you gotta pay the guide because

12:05

if you don't pay him, then where do you go.

12:08

So that's where it is right now with the quarterback market.

12:10

And I'm in Dunnet North Carolina

12:12

at my niece's house, an old Confederate

12:14

soldier's house.

12:15

This was on the wall when she bought the house. Is i'tle

12:17

two three hundred years?

12:18

Well, I don't know how old this house is, but it's old,

12:20

it's beautiful, and it's historic, and it's

12:23

my niece Jerry and done, North Carolina.

12:24

Anyone wanted to visit.

12:27

Well, that was very heartwarming.

12:28

The shirt much more cold for than that painting

12:31

behind you, but still very lovely. Uh

12:33

Mark caam, thank you very much.

12:37

We learned today that Hard Knocks

12:39

the inn season version going to feature

12:42

the AFC North. We will tell you what

12:44

the most intriguing storyline in

12:46

that division is coming the next.

12:57

And now's on Monday.

12:58

Yes, that makes it newday the

13:02

Hard Knocks in season now. The NFL

13:04

had said it's going to be a division that they're going to follow

13:07

for the in season Hard Knocks, and they announced

13:09

today it will be the AFC North.

13:11

Ravens, Bengals, Browns,

13:14

Steelers, some legendary

13:16

franchises and some good storylines

13:19

to follow in there.

13:20

Get your Hard Knocks straight.

13:22

You got the Giants offseason, you got the Bears

13:24

training camp, you got the AFC North in season,

13:26

it's like CSI New York, that was Gary

13:29

Sinie, CSI Miami

13:31

that was David Caruso. Vegas was

13:33

Ted Danson at some point. Anyway,

13:35

Judy, let's talk about the AFC North

13:38

and what storyline you're looking forward to here

13:40

with hard knocks in season.

13:44

Well, every one of these teams has a star quarterback.

13:46

But I am going to be watching, especially

13:48

the Pittsburgh Steelers who have two star

13:51

quarterbacks.

13:51

And how that plays out.

13:53

Obviously Russell Wilson and justin

13:55

Fields. What will this look like in season?

13:58

What's it going to look like at the start of the sea Might

14:00

they make a change? There's going to be so much interest

14:03

in that quarterback situation in that

14:05

room, whether there is a change at quarterback

14:08

at any point in the season, whether Russell Wilson

14:10

resurrects his career in Pittsburgh, There's

14:12

going to be a lot of intrigue with that one.

14:14

When we think about these guys in the

14:16

Pittsburgh steel Is in the quarterback situation that they

14:18

have.

14:19

I want to stay in the AFC North and talk.

14:21

About in Cleveland, Deshaun Wasson,

14:23

Deshaun Watson signs that blockbuster deal,

14:26

a mega deal to come over to really end

14:28

the quarterback roles in Cleveland. And look,

14:31

he hasn't been available twelve games

14:33

eighty for a record, which is great, but a sub

14:35

sixty percent passer, fourteen touchdowns,

14:37

nine interceptions. You just don't know what

14:40

you're going to get from a player that played

14:42

at a pro Bowl level in Houston, was celebrated

14:44

as a top five pick. At some point,

14:46

the Cleveland Browns need to know which Deshaun

14:49

Wasson is going to show up, the one they used

14:51

to put it down in agehown, the one that got him excited,

14:53

the one that could get this team to a super Bowl,

14:56

or whether they get the middling mint

14:58

Deshaun Watson. It hasn't been available

15:01

and hasn't played at a high level. Keva Savanski

15:03

has to know because all oz on Deshaun

15:05

Watson, because as he.

15:06

Goes, so goes to Brown super Bowl hopes.

15:10

I just think there's great personalities in this one.

15:12

The Browns will start there, Bucky David

15:14

and Joe.

15:15

Ku, Miles Garrett.

15:16

You go to Pittsburgh Russell Wilson, even if

15:18

it's not your cup of tea, you want to watch him and see

15:20

if there's anything that you could potentially make fun of there

15:23

Cincinnati, He's got some personalities in the

15:25

receiver room in Baltimore. Lamar Jackson at

15:27

Derek Henry to the mix.

15:28

It's going to be a.

15:29

Great cast of characters for

15:31

Hard Knocks in season AFC North.

15:34

Speaking of characters, we've got.

15:35

Jamal Williams Saints running back coming

15:38

up. You are not going to want to miss this interview. We

15:40

start talking legos, Yeah, we start talking

15:42

legos.

15:43

Then we take it elsewhere.

15:53

Here you go, got Jamal Williams Saints running

15:55

back with the pink cleats. He's rocking there

15:58

and the promotional shot on these safe X

16:00

account right there. My man looks

16:02

season ready except

16:05

for the you know, lack of a helmet. We'll get him

16:07

a helmet before the season. Got a sweet

16:09

lid right now, you got a little Pokemon action. He's

16:11

a big Pokemon guy.

16:13

He's got some.

16:13

Legos going on right now. While he

16:16

was waiting to be brought out this interview, what happened

16:18

with the legos.

16:20

I'm still working on my boys head right now.

16:23

But his group slash

16:25

venom, so I'm working on it right now. But

16:28

the head, Yeah, I'm still.

16:30

Yeah, I'm working.

16:31

You know who Brute is, right, I am

16:33

Group Guardian of the Galaxy.

16:36

Oh I do know Brute.

16:37

Okay, so yeah, well I went on.

16:41

I went on the Guardians and the Galaxy ride

16:44

with my daughter, showing my age.

16:46

He was there.

16:47

It's a great ride. If you ever get down to Epcot,

16:49

go check that out.

16:50

You know what.

16:50

That leads me to my first.

16:51

Question, because Jamal Williams, you are

16:53

an entertaining guy.

16:54

I know that brain is always going.

16:56

How do you spend this downtime now before

16:58

training camp because.

16:59

I know it's gonna be.

17:01

Oh yeah, training gam is gonna be great, man, I

17:04

literally would be. I'll be thinking about it now

17:06

like year eight, and I'm just like so

17:08

grateful and humbled to be where I'm at right now. So

17:11

it's just like I just take this opportunity

17:13

and break to breathe and though that like it's

17:15

gonna be great.

17:16

I love what I'm doing.

17:17

I'm humble to do what I'm grateful, grateful.

17:19

To be doing.

17:20

I got my daughter with me, so we really just been

17:23

chilling, enjoying the time. Before you

17:25

know, things get hected and I gotta lock

17:27

in, you know, what.

17:27

I mean.

17:30

Tomorrow.

17:30

You're also doing a little work for us

17:32

the player's choice. You've taken over NFL

17:34

Network today with your programs,

17:37

your games of choice. I'm

17:39

perusing the less There's some fun ones on there, a

17:41

couple of big time performances from you taking

17:44

down Arrival on another one. Here's the

17:46

question I had you had the football

17:49

life Aaron Jones on there now

17:52

when you guys were teammates. I kind of thought,

17:55

maybe naively, that you guys would be sort

17:57

of like competitive or maybe like frontemies,

18:00

but you're actually really friends and you really

18:02

did.

18:03

When you were teammates support each other. Was

18:06

that something that came natural?

18:08

Do you have to work at that because you're in sort of a running

18:10

back by committee deal in New Orleans too, Like, how

18:13

do you handle those types of situations?

18:16

Well, I've always been just a team first

18:19

type of person in my positivity, and

18:21

I just try to bring great energy inside

18:23

of the team, and especially in a

18:26

running back position where we always know it's always

18:28

literally most of the time, there's just one running back

18:30

in there, so we take it as we get it.

18:32

But you take your opportunities as they come.

18:34

But with Aaron and when we came in together, we

18:37

both got drafted together, we had

18:39

both had the same agent at the same time, and

18:42

we still do now. But it's just like we

18:45

grow up together, and the positivity

18:47

and the competitive enough that we both had

18:49

for each other.

18:50

It was just on the field, like we're rooting for

18:52

each other.

18:52

We learned from each other's mistakes and experiences

18:55

on the field, and we're helping each other, and it's

18:58

just it was just a great.

18:59

Time being out.

19:00

He's just a great dude.

19:01

His manners is wonderful, Like the first

19:03

time I meeting him, you know, just being

19:05

around him, how he talks to people. Yes,

19:08

sir, No, sir, you know what I mean. He just

19:10

he was raised right, He had two parent household,

19:13

like they raised it. And I'm just

19:15

proud of that his parents for just how they raised him.

19:17

So it's just I'm just.

19:18

Grateful of having him as a teammate

19:20

for so long and then for our relationships

19:23

will still be going now. I'm grateful for him,

19:26

Like his family is my family. We stay

19:28

together, we do as much as we can,

19:30

but it's just we just have love for each

19:32

other, and it's just grateful that, Like it's not that

19:34

type of situation that you come into into

19:36

the league you think you'll have with somebody who you're

19:39

competing for a spot. You know what I mean, especially

19:41

as rookies. You know your mind

19:43

is a rookie like, I gotta make it.

19:45

I'm thinking of just me. I gotta make you.

19:47

I gotta do everything I do.

19:48

I gotta beat that dude, you know.

19:49

But for us, it was more of just we

19:52

can help each other and still be out here and

19:54

be successful for each other. And know

19:56

that like all the energy, all the successfulness,

19:59

all the blessings can happened to everybody

20:01

if you give it out there, you could You could

20:03

still be successful and help others

20:06

while doing it, you know what I mean. So just

20:08

keep just keep being positive, is what I learned

20:10

from him.

20:11

Did you help him this offseason because you've

20:13

been to two other teams since you

20:16

played for the Packers. He's now in Minnesota.

20:18

It's a new place for him. Did he lean on you at

20:20

all about playing for a different team? And

20:22

how fired up is he?

20:23

He's still in the division? Double revenge?

20:26

I know, Look, he get that, he get that.

20:29

That was motivation thing that chimp on the soda

20:31

boy, it's a good one.

20:32

Too.

20:32

It's a good one to have because like it gives

20:35

you that accent and.

20:36

You do it for me.

20:36

I don't even I wasn't even thinking about it yet

20:39

until I actually hit the field, and I was like, especially

20:41

that once I was in like the last game of Lambo,

20:44

just running again into the film, like I'm

20:47

back, I'm back where I started again.

20:49

It's time to get loose again, Like it'll it'll

20:51

hit me to I'm on the field and like

20:54

I'm really self motivated. I can find I'm

20:56

like Bobby Bouchet. I'll be just making imagery

20:59

of just anybody on the field.

21:02

So this is a great day.

21:04

But Aaron he got it, man, He just he's

21:06

just a great vet. He learns.

21:07

He's not too He's not. He'll

21:10

always learn from somebody.

21:12

He's not.

21:12

He's not errant enough to think he knows everything.

21:14

And at the same time, Aaron knows so

21:17

much right now and what got him to where he's at

21:19

now, and being a professional is what he's

21:21

going to keep doing.

21:22

So wherever you go.

21:23

And I'm mad too, because literally, like every time

21:25

I every time I left, the team had

21:27

the new jersey or they just showing a

21:29

new jersey.

21:30

I was never there for it, I tell you. But he

21:32

gets to the Minnesota, they got the all

21:34

whites.

21:35

I'm like, you

21:38

get the new Jersey. Oh my god, I'm

21:40

jealous. But he looked good at that all

21:42

white though. I just I can't wait to see how

21:44

you do. I'm wishing nothing but blessings for him

21:46

too. He know he will always be my boy, and

21:48

I'm just always wishing for him to do great things.

21:52

Jamal, by the way, I said today you're taking

21:54

over to actually tomorrow, So five

21:57

yard penalty on me, my

21:59

bad.

22:00

Another day to think about it.

22:02

Yeah, I did think about they even though

22:04

you're Aready said, all right, I want to ask

22:06

you about another running back in

22:08

New Orleans for Saints Mini camp.

22:11

Alvin Kamara had.

22:13

I guess a walk out sort of a holdout,

22:15

sort of a walkout the last day of mini camp,

22:18

a show of him taking

22:20

a business side and saying, you know what, I wanted

22:23

a new contract. I want to adjust the deal.

22:26

You have been through all sorts of situations

22:28

in the NFL. First of all, what do you think of this situation?

22:31

And then how how do the rest of

22:33

the guys see when someone like Alvin does something

22:35

like that.

22:38

Me personally, just as me as a man.

22:40

I respect everybody as the man

22:42

they are and decisions they make as a man.

22:44

So whatever they do is up to

22:46

them and me at all times I support

22:49

them and whatever they do because I just

22:51

love them for them and who they are.

22:52

As a person.

22:53

And Alvin is the tremendous, great teammate,

22:56

awesome person, one hundred percent.

22:58

He stayed ten toes down on his business

23:00

and what he believes in and that's

23:02

just him. So it's just I'm behind him

23:04

on under saying.

23:05

What he does.

23:06

And that's just because he's looking for his well being

23:08

and that's what all we want for each other and

23:10

so for but for our teammates and all we we

23:13

know what it is.

23:14

We know that it's just business.

23:15

And at the same time, we still got to keep pushing

23:17

and doing what we need to do for ourselves

23:20

to make sure that the team is good.

23:21

So the best thing that we can do for the.

23:23

Team is just keep pushing and doing the best

23:25

thing we can do is just keep making ourselves

23:27

better for the team. And then you

23:30

know, praying for our brother, make sure he's great. Nothing

23:32

but blessings, Like it's just it's

23:34

no hard feelings like it's just we're.

23:36

Playing a game that we love.

23:38

It's just part of the game that we do.

23:40

And these are the type of things once you believe in

23:42

something you believe in, and I'm with you one

23:44

hundred percent, that's that's your decision.

23:46

So clink Kubiak

23:49

in the house.

23:49

Your new offensive coordinator comes over from the San Francisco

23:52

forty nine ers.

23:53

Tell me what.

23:54

Tell me what this I can hear the excitement. Tell me what

23:56

this offense is going to look like in twenty four.

24:00

Let me tell you something.

24:01

I've been watching it.

24:02

When I was watching it, freaking feel or

24:05

oh my gosh, what I want to feel because

24:07

I.

24:07

Was like, I'm like, why

24:09

have I seen this before?

24:11

Because I because I'm on the other side on

24:14

the sideline watching it, right.

24:15

He go crazy and I'm

24:17

like, why is he running

24:19

like this? Why is he going crazy?

24:22

At the time like this is this type of game?

24:25

Why? I was like, Oh, but

24:27

then but now that I know that our boys

24:29

here, now, oh, I got me so excited.

24:32

It just gives me because I already know what type of mentality

24:34

it is because I've seen it from

24:36

the other.

24:37

Side of just be like, what

24:39

is happening right now.

24:41

And that's all like I've seen it before

24:43

and in person, so I'm

24:46

ready to just be on the other side of that

24:48

and get the calls on this side.

24:49

Man, it's gonna be

24:51

great.

24:53

Do you wake up like this?

24:54

I mean like I need five minutes in the

24:56

morning, Like, give me five minutes. There are you shot out

24:58

of account just like this? This came on.

25:01

Nah, in the mornings, I'm

25:03

worse in the mornings. In the mornings, I got real rbl

25:06

face. You gotta give me a minute, Like I say,

25:08

good morning, I'll literally be like,

25:11

dude, good morning.

25:12

How you doing.

25:12

Hope you're having a great day, all right, Like

25:15

I literally say all of that while I'm

25:17

walking because I got it.

25:18

I got stuff to do.

25:19

You know, you know you'll be able to time schedule,

25:21

so you just be like, I got to hurry up, make sure

25:23

I go, yeah, get in this oct to

25:25

make sure i'm warm.

25:27

Practice.

25:27

Yeah, so it's just they give me me. But once I get

25:29

the practice, oh I'm.

25:32

Locked in and you hit the ground.

25:33

Let's get to it. Yeah, yeah, we do. I

25:36

know. I know.

25:37

Even today, you've got stuff to do, like change that smoke

25:39

alarm battery Uh. We did an interview

25:41

with a couple of years ago,

25:44

Rachelle McCoy.

25:44

Had it going on. It must be a running back thing. Anyway,

25:47

Speaking of running.

25:48

Back, I think it's an environment

25:50

thing.

25:51

Is I'm just I'm just a I'm

25:53

just a what's it called a sample

25:55

of my environment from growing up?

25:59

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, I

26:01

think is what you were going for there. But

26:04

you're the running back tree. I'm

26:06

trying to make this transition here it is Jamal

26:08

Willis playing.

26:09

Now this is tomorrow.

26:10

Ian.

26:10

You got to reset your DV instead it

26:12

for today. It's tomorrow. Tell

26:14

us about the selections of these programs

26:17

that you chose.

26:18

All right, man, got b Sanders, Man,

26:21

I just had to give respect to I really try

26:23

to give respect to the places that I've been to and

26:25

from the people that I've held daily

26:28

to my heart.

26:29

So just as me being a running back, so

26:31

B Sanders for you know, Detroit

26:33

got to let him in there. Walter Payton was

26:35

always one of my favorites.

26:37

I just love his work, ethic in the off season,

26:39

and just how he handles business and everything.

26:42

Eric Dickerson of course, just because

26:44

you know rams baby.

26:45

But the Zail.

26:46

I just loved the way he was running at day. He was just

26:48

a strider.

26:50

And then you know, I had to put Jerome Benness on there just

26:52

because big bus man man. I like

26:54

big backs, and I just like big backs

26:56

with sweet feet, and he was definitely going out

26:59

there and giving the pain, letting them know every

27:01

time you tackle me, you're gonna feel it.

27:03

And so and then you know, I

27:05

always got I gotta put the you know, I got to put

27:07

the one on there and me crying, I guess I just

27:10

like that game. It was just a good just a good

27:12

way for me to just finish my season

27:14

off, especially for my great grandparents

27:17

and really just feel like I solidified

27:19

for them.

27:20

Just a good season on how to be a man,

27:22

how.

27:22

I handle my adversities that year and

27:25

just just keep trying to just be the best

27:27

me and understand, you know, things happen, but

27:30

we can get through them as long as we stay positive.

27:32

No, we got great loved ones around us, you

27:35

know, and keep the positivity around

27:37

you.

27:37

So well, that

27:40

is a great list. I enjoyed that.

27:42

I like big backs, and I cannot lie. I think they should

27:44

make it something

27:48

I love.

27:49

I love fullbacks and blocking tight ends too.

27:51

Please let them know that too.

27:52

I love them.

27:54

I will spread the word. Jamal, thank you so

27:56

much for hanging out with us and the insiders. Looking

27:59

very forward to your player's choice takeover

28:02

of NFL Network tomorrow and have

28:04

an awesome offseason.

28:06

We will see you in.

28:07

California actually for training camp and who

28:09

knows after that.

28:10

Oh yeah, we're gonna be real breezy

28:12

out there. Kelly again, Baby, I'm coming

28:14

home, Donald Dine and it is the

28:16

same way back.

28:17

Hey, we come it home.

28:22

You'll be good man, that's good.

28:23

Blesses, awesome

28:26

man. Thank you for joining us. I hope to see us soon.

28:29

All right, Andrew Berry, you gotta follow that right

28:31

there.

28:32

The Browns general manager joining us

28:34

next.

28:34

It's a contrasting styles, but it'll

28:37

be informative and entertaining

28:39

as well. The

28:47

Cleveland Browns wrapping up mini camp just

28:50

a short while ago. Eleven and six, last

28:52

season a playoff berth toughest

28:55

strength to schedule right there. If you look at last

28:58

year's winning percent, it is

29:00

for the teams that they are facing. But that's not going to

29:02

scare the guy that's joining us right now, because it's

29:04

the NFL and the schedule is always tough.

29:06

Isn't that correct.

29:07

Cleveland Brown's general manager Andrew

29:10

Berry joining us. He is live

29:12

from the Azzie Newsome General Manager

29:14

Forum, which is happening in Los Angeles,

29:16

representing the NFL's commitment to developing

29:19

a diverse and inclusive workforce and providing opportunities

29:22

for minority candidates. Andrew, we appreciate

29:24

you taking your time to spend

29:27

with us here. Tell us what's going on out there in

29:29

LA with this forum.

29:30

First of all, appreciate you guys, you

29:32

know, having me on today with

29:35

the Osse Newsom General Manager Forum.

29:37

It's a really

29:39

a time where we're able to gather a

29:42

number of talented minority

29:45

executives from around the league from different

29:47

disciplines player personnel, football operations,

29:49

football administration, research and strategy, and

29:52

really it's about sharing collective

29:54

wisdom with experienced gms other

29:57

people in senior roles to to

30:00

share best practices and also

30:02

just kind of build a build a stronger network across

30:04

the league. So it's it's been a great, you

30:07

know, morning session so far. Looking forward to

30:09

a nice productive afternoon. But

30:11

just a lot of talented people, you know

30:13

out here on the West Coast.

30:16

Well, before we let you get back to the summit,

30:18

we wanted to talk to you about your team. You

30:20

just wrapped up mini camp. Deshaun

30:23

Watson was out there and throwing. He was on a bit

30:25

of a pitch count and he hasn't

30:28

been fully cleared as

30:30

far as we know heading into training camp.

30:33

Where is he in his progress

30:35

returning from the injury and how has

30:37

he looked so.

30:37

Far to you?

30:39

Yeah, Judy, you know, first and foremost,

30:41

DeShawn has really worked his tail off, you

30:44

know, during the rehabilitation process over the

30:46

past several months. He's

30:48

really actually ahead of schedule. He he's

30:50

really chomping at the bit uh to

30:53

take the governor off, so to speak. But

30:56

really he's had a he's had a really nice spring.

30:58

He's thrown the ball well, did

31:00

a really nice job during our seven

31:03

on seven and team periods during this veteran

31:05

mini camp. So we're excited as he gets

31:07

into training camp and we get

31:09

the pads on. But he's

31:12

making excellent progress. And honestly,

31:14

if you didn't know he got hurt last year, you really wouldn't

31:16

be able to tell the difference. So we're very excited

31:19

on once camp starts.

31:22

Andrew.

31:22

A couple hours before you joined

31:25

us, we got the announcement from HBO

31:28

and NFL Films, Hard Knocks is

31:30

coming to the not you

31:32

guys only, but the AFC North,

31:34

So you and all your rivals in

31:37

season debuts the first

31:39

week of December. First

31:41

of all, how long have you known this? And second of all, what

31:43

did you think the fact that it's not just you but all

31:46

of your rivals as well? Does that make it more

31:48

fun easier? Are you going to be tuning in maybe more

31:50

than you might have?

31:52

You know, So, first of all, it's very

31:54

exciting. I think it's a pretty unique

31:57

spin on a classic

32:00

you know, NFL series, and

32:02

and honestly like it's it's it's an honor and privilege

32:05

to be among one of the four teams

32:07

that can be in this I

32:09

guess this iteration of of Hard Knocks.

32:13

Even though we're rivals, I think all four teams, all

32:15

of us, hold an immense sense of pride with the

32:17

competitiveness in the AC North and the

32:20

rivalries that you you establish. I

32:23

think it'll be pretty cool to see what you know, we believe

32:26

is you know, a very unique

32:28

uh you know division. I

32:31

can't say that I'll be necessarily tuned

32:33

in every week because usually by the time I get home, I'm

32:35

I'm a little.

32:36

Bit footballed out, so to speak.

32:38

But but it's gonna be a really great

32:40

opportunity for NFL

32:42

fans and fans of aart of our four teams

32:45

to really engage with the organizations.

32:47

Uh, you better not be footballed out because you're hanging

32:50

in this role for quite some time. You received

32:52

a contract extension recently. Congratulations

32:55

on that. I would ask you about the significance

32:57

of that, but I know how humble you are, You're probably not gonna

32:59

want to talk much about it.

33:00

So I'll tell you what. I'm gonna give you an out.

33:02

Why don't you talk about the other contract extension

33:04

that was announced that day, and that is your head coach, Kevin

33:07

Stefanski in the job that he's done to this point.

33:09

All.

33:09

Firstly, I cannot tell you how much I appreciate

33:11

that line of questioning Mike as opposed to the other.

33:14

So, first of all, Kevin is

33:17

he It starts with Kevin's just an outstanding

33:20

person, like you know, two time Coach

33:22

of the Year. Let us to the playoffs

33:24

too, you know, to for two seasons.

33:27

You know, we hadn't been there in twenty years. He's managed

33:29

and navigated a lot of adversity, and so

33:32

it's obvious he's an outstanding football

33:34

coach, but he really is an even

33:36

better human being. And I

33:39

feel very, very blessed. You

33:41

know that he's my primary partner

33:43

in the organization. You

33:45

know, there's nothing that we can't navigate together.

33:48

He's great with our players, he's

33:50

great with the staff, and

33:52

he defines the essence of leadership.

33:55

And one of the things I love the best about

33:57

him is he defines the essence of leadership,

34:00

but he does it in his own

34:02

way. He's not necessarily

34:04

this loud, boisterous, big personality.

34:07

But what he does, he's a master connector.

34:09

He builds authentic relationships with people

34:12

in the organization from top to bottom. He's smart

34:14

as a whip, and he's a problem

34:16

for over he's a problem solver. And

34:19

we're in really, really great hands for the foreseeable future.

34:23

All Right, we're going to stay on the contract

34:25

theme here and go with the contract. That's

34:27

a little bit in question. A Mari Cooper,

34:30

who was not around in the last few

34:32

weeks. Obviously, once a contract, today's

34:34

his birthday. Happy birthday, A Marii Cooper.

34:37

Where do things stand on maybe the birthday present?

34:39

A Marii Cooper would like most.

34:41

Yeah, So you know, I'll say first and foremost,

34:43

Judy. It's the standard

34:46

practice for me where I don't you know, comment,

34:48

you know, on contract specifics or discussions

34:51

that we have in our players in that in this realm, just

34:53

because I do think it's a it's a pretty deeply personal

34:56

manner for really anybody

34:58

when you're talking about compensation. What

35:00

I will say about Amar though, is since

35:03

he's been a member of the Cleveland Browns, he's

35:05

obviously been a high level Pro Bowl

35:07

calimber receiver, but he's

35:10

also a great teammate and he's a great professional,

35:12

and we're happy to have him as a member of the organization.

35:16

You know, sometimes, you know, all

35:18

teams will have periods where they go through these

35:20

type of situations, but it does not

35:23

change our affinity for Amri. You

35:25

know, we'll navigate, you know, call it the business

35:28

considerations and the business aspects as as

35:30

as it goes. But you know, he's

35:32

gonna he is a big part of our team, and

35:35

just as importantly, he's a big part of our culture.

35:38

Andrew I was reading the comments from Nick

35:40

Chubb when he met with the media I think about a week

35:43

or so ago.

35:43

One of the things that really struck me was he said, you

35:45

know, the.

35:46

Browns could have essentially come you

35:48

loose, could have just said goodbye. And he really

35:50

did have an appreciation I think for how you guys

35:53

handled this. His contractual

35:55

situation sounds like he's doing

35:58

well. What went into this decision

36:01

to redo his contract and make sure

36:03

that he feels like he does?

36:04

Honestly, Yeah, I think.

36:06

First and foremost, when we look at

36:08

any member of our organization, it's

36:14

it's important for us not to lose sight of the fact that

36:16

we're dealing with people. And what

36:19

happened to Nick last year was was was very

36:21

unfortunate. He

36:23

had no desire to be anywhere

36:25

besides Cleveland. We had no desire for that

36:28

to be you know, the last

36:30

snap that he would take in a Cleveland Browns jersey.

36:33

And just quite honestly, he's

36:35

the heartbeating pulse of our of our team. You

36:38

know, he is a selfless individual.

36:41

He works hard.

36:42

He's obviously an outstanding

36:45

ball career and outstanding running back. And

36:48

you know, I said this at the end of the end of my end

36:50

of season press conference. I had a coming

36:53

into the year, I had a respect level

36:55

for Nick Chubb it was a ten out of ten, and

36:57

exiting the season it was probably a twenty out of ten.

36:59

Because this was a person who

37:01

came in every day five

37:04

point thirty a m doing his rehab, mortalities,

37:07

working as if he was

37:09

preparing for Sunday. And I think

37:11

that says something you know about

37:13

him individually and as a professional. And

37:16

you know, one of the moments that we're all most looking forward

37:18

to is the first time he runs out

37:20

of that home tunnel for his debut

37:23

in the twenty twenty four season. So we're we're really

37:25

excited to have him back and can't wait to get

37:27

going with him.

37:28

Andrew Barry, before we let you go, a couple of

37:30

years ago, I'm in the airport after covering a Browns game

37:33

and here you come walking towards me in full Brown's

37:35

gear. You walk right by me as I go to say hello, and

37:37

I thought that was incredibly rude. Turns

37:39

out it was your twin brother, brother Adam

37:42

Berry, at the time working for Goldman Sex

37:45

now in the NFL on the fast track,

37:47

vice President of Football Operations and Strategy

37:50

for the Eagles.

37:50

A recent promotion. He's coming for

37:52

you. He's on the faster track.

37:54

Man.

37:55

I'm very proud of at him, Mike, and I

37:58

know he's in great hands, you know,

38:00

with with honestly one of my mentors in

38:02

Howie Roseman. He

38:05

is, he's a sponge. He's incredibly

38:07

smart. You know, he took

38:10

a risk really kind of changing careers mid

38:12

stream and he's

38:15

he's transitioned pretty smoothly and quite nicely.

38:17

And I'm really excited for the

38:20

what the future holds with him. And

38:23

uh, you know, when I'm not a you know, when I'm

38:25

not in Brown's business, I'm I'm an Eagles

38:27

fan, you know, just because i want to see him

38:30

do well. And I'm

38:32

really excited about his progress.

38:34

Apologies to the control room because I didn'tell him. I was

38:36

going to ask about that. They like to have pictures of these people.

38:38

It just he looks like that as I was saying, it's

38:41

easy.

38:41

In this situation.

38:42

It's easy in the situation. And

38:44

Yourew Berry, thank you very much.

38:45

We appreciate everything you're doing out there at

38:47

the Aussie newsome GM.

38:49

For for him and your time with us this

38:51

afternoon.

38:51

Now, thank you all for having me.

38:53

You guys have a wonderful summer.

38:54

Okay, And

38:56

coming up next, who could break

38:59

Calvin Johnson single season receiving

39:01

record?

39:02

Can anybody do it?

39:03

Bucky Brooks joins.

39:04

Us with a list of five candidates

39:06

that could potentially get it done. Calvin

39:13

Johnson back in twenty twelve nineteen hundred

39:16

sixty four receiving yards that remains

39:18

the high watermark for receiving yards

39:21

in a single season.

39:22

Tyreek Hill said last year he was going to break that.

39:24

He was gonna get all the way to two thousand, almost

39:26

got there. Seventeen ninety nine, I believe was the number.

39:28

He got injured late in the season that the around

39:30

him. So we turned to Bucky Brooks. Mark Ross

39:33

also with us, but Bucky Brooks nfl

39:35

dot Com backslash Scouts

39:37

notebook if you want to check out the full story. You've

39:39

got five receivers that could break Johnson's

39:42

mark this year.

39:44

Yeah, five receivers, And we talked about a hall of more

39:46

being able to get two thousand yards of something

39:48

that we just can't even imagine. If you think about

39:50

back in the day throwing it all over the yard. But in today's

39:53

time, it certainly can happen. I believe there are few

39:55

ingredients that are necessary to be able to get it done. You

39:57

have to be a number one receiver, but you have to

39:59

be able to do it in an offense that may not have another

40:02

playmaker so you can get all of the targets.

40:04

So the names that are up at the top of the board are the usual

40:07

suspects. You have Tyreek Hill, you have

40:09

Justin Jefferson, Amarra Saint Brown as

40:11

a slide receiver. But the one that I really got

40:13

a lot of pushback on is George Pickens

40:15

from the Pittsburgh Still this. How can George

40:17

Pickens get so many targets in so many yards?

40:20

Well, look, this guy averaged eighteen point one

40:22

yards for Cats last year. Last year they didn't

40:24

even really have a quarterback that could really throw

40:26

him the football. Now you have Arthur

40:28

Smith coming over taking over an offense where you're gonna

40:31

have Russell Wilson being able to sling it all over the yard.

40:33

I just think it's set up with the run game.

40:36

One on one opportunities for George Pickens could

40:38

lead him to be an egle to guy to push

40:40

for two thousand yards on the perimeter, even though

40:42

they may not thought it all over the yard.

40:45

Bucky, got tremendous respect for your work. But

40:47

just like when I put my list out on NFL dot

40:49

Com, there's always going to be complaints. So I'm

40:51

gonna be a fan now and complain and say,

40:54

where's cd Lamb. Where's cdee

40:56

Lamb on the list?

40:57

Bucky?

40:57

We talked about the situations that are

41:00

and some of those guys on your list, they've got shaky

41:02

quarterback situations and do have to

41:05

share the rock.

41:06

Well.

41:06

Ceedee Lamb was second behind Tyreeka

41:08

Hill last year. He had seventeen forty

41:11

nine yards and he's got Dak coming

41:13

back.

41:13

He's got that synergy with Dak.

41:15

He's going to be newly paid, so he's

41:17

going to be extra motivated to prove that contract

41:20

that he got. And you talk about a situation

41:23

and an offense that highlights his skills.

41:25

Ceedee Lamb since twoenty

41:27

twenty has the most yards in the

41:30

slot and he led the league in

41:32

yards after catch last year. So when you've

41:34

got a guy that you know, put him in a slot

41:37

NonStop just getting the rock, he's gonna

41:39

make yards. He's going to break the record easily

41:42

this year.

41:43

He's a guy. Bucky got anybody go on that list?

41:46

Wow?

41:46

Are you rapping? Did you just start it rapping?

41:48

There? Is that?

41:48

What happened there?

41:49

That's not my real life, bik.

41:51

If you're like Mark.

41:52

Ross and you like the poke holes and things, go check

41:54

out Bucky's article on nfl dot

41:57

com backslash Scouts Notebook to

41:59

see his five guys and his reasoning for

42:01

those five guys. Thank you very much, Bucky Brooks

42:03

Mark Ross. Be sure to check out the Insiders

42:05

podcast Monday through Friday. Scan that QR

42:08

code right there on your screen. Hurry up, quick, get

42:10

it now, because we got to move on quickly and

42:12

listen to the Insiders and the iHeartRadio app, Apple

42:14

podcasts wherever you get your podcasts. Ian

42:17

Rappaport, come back in here, Judy Batista, Ian

42:19

you can do that on television.

42:20

Go okay.

42:23

So my son Max is turning

42:25

eleven in July. Now he is

42:28

going to be a seven week sleep boy. Came along with

42:30

my other son Jude, so he didn't get a birthday party

42:32

with his friends. All he wanted

42:35

was to slime his friends and

42:37

be slimed. So today we

42:40

had a massive sliming party. It

42:42

was amazing, thanks to Nickelodeon.

42:44

For all the time.

42:44

It was so gross I can't even tell

42:47

you. And the kids absolutely loved

42:49

it. Did

42:52

you not get slimmed? You did not

42:54

slam yourself?

42:55

No?

42:56

Well, okay, I have been signed

42:58

before. I've actually been signed twice, and it

43:01

is excessively gross. I wanted to We

43:03

only have so much slime, so I don't want to

43:05

take it all for myself. So it was

43:07

really about giving it to the

43:09

kids. And here's the main thing. All these

43:11

kids had hair. If Mike Garafola was

43:13

slimed, no hair, it would just

43:16

just go right off of them. Might be a

43:18

good person to slime.

43:19

Actually, I don't think now is

43:21

the time to take shots at me, knowing I've got

43:23

a retort here.

43:26

I would just say, that's pretty liquidy

43:28

slime there.

43:29

I don't think you got the consistency

43:32

correct. We'll try again tomorrow on

43:34

that and other things. The Insiders join us

43:36

on Tuesday here in nfwork