0:00

In the next five to eight years, there'll

0:02

be ten, possibly

0:04

seven to ten Hall of Famers.

0:06

Out of that draft.

0:06

Can you give me a couple of names?

0:08

You know, I'm not.

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Going to say myself, but hello, Hi. I

0:11

think Cam Hayward's on the cusp.

0:14

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the twenty eleven draft class

1:34

is somehow the best draft class, draft

1:37

class we'll see. He has his own podcast,

1:39

Off the Edge with Cam Jordan. Ladies

1:41

and gentlemen, Cam Jordan, appreciate

1:45

what's going on. Welcome to the Welcome to the pot. Why

1:47

now, why do you think the two thousand eleven draft classes?

1:49

You know, there's there's there's great draft class.

1:52

So yeah, I'm sure you guys can mention all thes

1:54

we're part of. That doesn't

1:56

really hold a candle bars, you know.

1:59

Is it just because you're saying, did you have like something

2:02

to say that first round was stronger? Yeah?

2:03

I mean some would say in the next five this

2:06

eight years, there'll be ten, possibly

2:09

seven to ten Hall of famers out of that draft.

2:11

Can you give me a couple of names? I don't know this draft

2:13

class. You would say von Miller, von Miller,

2:15

Okay, lock A.

2:17

De Green may get there. I'm not going to say lock may

2:20

get there. We're going to say Peterson,

2:23

Julio might get in there.

2:24

Julio, Pat p Julio,

2:27

you know, JJ Watt.

2:29

You know, I'm not going to say myself, but Hello, Hi,

2:33

I think Cam Hayward's on the cusp. You

2:35

know, there's if you look, if you look at

2:37

our draft class, it's just was hard to miss,

2:40

you know, it was just unless you said the quarterbacks,

2:42

because after Cam, then.

2:44

Yeah, it got real slippery.

2:46

Man.

2:46

Hello, can

2:48

we did he just gloss over that? I'm

2:50

not going to introduce myself. Hello, Hi,

2:53

Well I was a good one.

2:55

First of all.

2:55

I like that. I love that

2:57

because I think Cam has had it outstanding

3:01

career up to this point. It's

3:03

been a real blessing for me to actually saw

3:05

and sit here and watch his whole

3:07

maturity and his growth and all

3:09

those other things. What I really have a question about, because

3:12

I do think you will be in the Hall of Fame. You've got the numbers,

3:14

yes, and your numbers one hundred and seventeen

3:16

and a half sacks that's outstanding. I didn't

3:19

I didn't realize until after you hit one hundred how happy

3:21

I was for you.

3:22

But anyways, what was your first like welcome

3:24

to the NFL moment?

3:26

Oh man, Because

3:29

that's weird because your dad played in the league. Yeah, I know you've

3:31

been around in the NFL.

3:32

There were so many of them.

3:33

But I think now with you

3:35

just sitting here, I know for sure it

3:38

was probably like it took

3:41

sixteen weeks for me to get.

3:42

A sack, no doubt. You know. I

3:44

saw this guy push Cam. He pushed Cam

3:46

Newton like he was like Cam, I'm just going to push.

3:48

I didn't push Cam Newton. I smacked Cam

3:50

Newton like he was.

3:51

Going to fall.

3:52

He didn't wrap up. He just hit him and like but

3:54

not hit him. That was three hundred

3:57

pound Camp. That is fifteen pounds

3:59

heavier than a what I normally play at. Now, this

4:01

is like a grown man, you know.

4:03

And I and I sat Cam hit

4:06

him dead in the chest and this man like

4:08

Cam ate it like lifted a

4:10

couple of feet, landed, turned,

4:13

ran, completed the pass like it.

4:14

Was I said, oh telling you,

4:16

I don't realize we

4:19

all looked at.

4:19

It like Cam that was it. That

4:22

was it.

4:22

He just my bad guys.

4:25

That was my rookie was a very was

4:27

It was a series of could have probably ended

4:30

with like five or six and ended

4:32

with one.

4:32

Was that your first season ever only having

4:34

one sack?

4:35

I have no idea. I just had this last season

4:37

being destroyed as I was on the leg.

4:40

I ended up with two. So like, okay, it

4:43

was better. There's humbling, there's humbling moments,

4:46

and rookie

4:48

year was one and this last year was the other.

4:50

Okay, okay, So do you remember your first

4:52

and only touchdown? Do you know that?

4:54

That?

4:54

Yeah, Detroit, matt Matt Stafford.

4:57

Matthew Stafford, this is the twelve

5:00

bat and ball by the Saints.

5:02

What and ever by Cam Jordan's was.

5:04

Able to see all off? You got the unsports for

5:06

like Conda after the touchdown?

5:08

That makes sense, That makes sense. I was originally

5:10

I was literally just so hyped.

5:11

I was.

5:12

I was about to I was about to like.

5:13

Like elevate and like hold it up like it was a trophy

5:15

and do a little dance. And then the teammates grabbed me and I was like, next

5:18

had a dunk and I was so I went to I went

5:21

for a dunk, had to clear it and then nothing.

5:23

What was it to say?

5:24

I was going crazy that game.

5:26

It was like two or three sacks, It was like four

5:28

or five TFLs. It was four

5:31

or five pass deflections. It was one of those games

5:33

where you were just like there's nothing that

5:35

I can't do, you know, like when you enter that

5:37

element, that zone and you're just.

5:38

Like you had to glow last,

5:41

the last drag, had to glow. You

5:43

had to clean when you go into the sideline, You're like, fade

5:45

me. Coaches like you're down this series.

5:48

You're down this series.

5:51

Yeah, there's way too much choice.

5:52

So how did you? How did you?

5:55

You know, because you talked about getting

5:57

to that zone all right early on

5:59

in your career.

6:00

Was not that, but you worked at it, Like

6:02

the one thing was it?

6:03

Not that? It just wasn't that for sacks?

6:05

Right, I know?

6:06

No, I was killing the run.

6:08

Yeah, I was gonna say, I've never seen anybody

6:11

as greatest shape that you've been in as a defensive

6:13

lineman. Like, I know you take a lot of pride in your your

6:16

ability to run and play every snap the

6:18

way that you do. How what do

6:20

you think that comes from? And like, how

6:22

have you just continued to grow?

6:23

It came from you Rome, It came

6:26

from you and Malcolm Jenkins

6:28

and John Vilma.

6:30

It came from all you old that way I asked

6:32

that question, but that.

6:33

Being said no, no, no no, because rookies

6:36

would not yet, rookies would not make it. And

6:39

the way that I came into the league, like they

6:42

like when I entered the draft, right before

6:44

before all this draft stuff happened, I thought I was gonna be a top

6:46

fifteen pick. I went and visited the Saints and

6:49

Bill Johnson was the d line coach at the time, sat me

6:51

down, was like, hey, baby, love your game.

6:53

I don't really don't know why you're here. You won't be here.

6:55

Twenty four and I said yeah. He's like yeah, so we're

6:57

just gonna catch them Bevine's and like literally had

6:59

a great time. Sounds like ji and sent

7:01

me on my way. I get drafted twenty

7:03

fourth overall. Bill Johnson, you know

7:07

whatever it is. We're sitting there talking, I'm

7:09

like, man, He's like, man, I didn't think you come now now

7:11

look at you. And all that day I was like, damn. The Saints

7:13

really loved me. Like they said it was gonna come get

7:15

me. They started, They stopped me from falling. I entered the building,

7:18

you know whatever that is after you signed the contract during

7:20

camp because there was a lockout year, so I really didn't

7:22

see anybody till whatever that was.

7:25

Getting to the building, I'm like, yeah, I was like,

7:27

Bill loves me.

7:28

I was like, you know, they want me to start, He's already given

7:30

me a plan like all this other stuff. I walk in

7:32

and I'm like, okay, I know some of the guys, coach

7:35

Joe Vitt at the time. You

7:37

never met this man a day of my life. Hey,

7:40

hey, hey bro, I'm like, you know, and I'm just like I'm

7:43

happy, go lucky. I'm I'm drafted, I just signed.

7:45

I'm about to get a check, you know, bank

7:47

bank, gonna be nice. And then so

7:50

I walk in, I'm like, my good morning, like just on

7:52

some typical like just happy to be here, smiling,

7:54

ear to ear a little heavy because all I've

7:56

been doing is eating the whole time. And then you know

7:59

Joe Vihit, Hey, hey, Roamy, jav

8:01

who's this guy over here? Who

8:04

is this guy who's those third base talking to me

8:06

like this? And I'm just like, bro, all I said, it was good

8:08

morning. You know, we had

8:11

who's our decordinated at the time, Greg Williams, Greg

8:13

Greg Williams.

8:14

Was there, No, No, that might have been Yeah

8:16

it was Greg Greg Williams.

8:17

So Greg Willams there and he hit He just resounds

8:19

the message. Yeah, these rookies they've come in

8:21

entitled for the rest of that year.

8:23

Would be like, you know this this third base j

8:26

j V John Filmo, third base

8:28

isn't even right for this guy, this guy born with

8:30

the with the diamond spoon in his mouth.

8:33

For those that don't understand, all right,

8:35

he's correct, he's correct. He's very

8:38

correct. So in our locker room at the time,

8:40

none of us had had parents or anybody that had actually

8:43

been in the league.

8:43

So Cam was the only one.

8:45

No, he wasn't Mark was.

8:46

It was me, But he was on.

8:47

Offense and we didn't we didn't get down with it.

8:49

He had a royal time that he had a great

8:51

tip over there with the offense, they probably loved him all

8:53

the time, not on defense. So Cam

8:56

comes in and we made Cam

8:58

like earn it like it was like the

9:00

first But he's a first round pick that

9:02

was supposed to be starting. We let him start, but we

9:05

didn't like really talk to him, and we said

9:07

that he started on second or third base because his

9:09

dad played in the league Silver Spoon blah

9:11

blah blah. But I think it made him a lot more mentally tough.

9:14

And then when now I see him react with like young

9:16

people now and he's like, dude, there's no way these

9:18

people could have made it. When I came in, like Jesse

9:20

couldn't have did it.

9:22

Man, I'm just the

9:24

guys come in and like they want to talk to you on the side, like hey,

9:26

bro, like you don't have to go that hard, Like

9:29

first of all, you're being yeah,

9:32

you know. Yeah, it was like, so I need

9:34

you to pull your britches up and be a big boy. Yeah, I

9:36

get it. I get it. You've been coddled your whole life, you know, Like

9:38

now now like younger guys like you

9:40

have to you have to worry about the mentals. I love it,

9:42

you know, I love how the game has changed.

9:45

Yeah, I hate it at the same time, like, you

9:47

know, I love how you know, we focused on

9:49

prehab, right, you know. I love

9:51

how the evolution of the training facilities

9:53

has changed. Coaches are tuning into hey,

9:56

make sure you're getting your massages and your treatments

9:58

and all that. When I first get twenty eleven, that

10:00

wasn't happening.

10:03

Eleven.

10:03

Sean Payton kept our training

10:06

rehab facility at like fifty five

10:08

degrees. It was every freezing cold,

10:11

no TVs. He didn't want you to enjoy

10:13

rehab. And he was like, hey, the longer

10:15

year out here, the more chance of guys coming

10:17

to take your job. And he made it clear, and you were like,

10:19

but I'm a first rounder, like not

10:21

going anywhere.

10:22

Clearly, I got at least three years.

10:25

We'll be back in a minute.

10:27

So if the twenty eleven draft was

10:30

done over again, where do you think you would go?

10:32

Hopefully still New Orleans now that

10:35

being said.

10:35

He went last to twenty four though, yeah, yah, I mean hopefully

10:38

to get up. Would you be a top ten?

10:40

I think that, I mean the top fifteen already.

10:43

And when I saw you know, you know,

10:45

guys like Alden Smith go to San Francisco,

10:47

I really wanted to go to Frisco at the time. I mean I was

10:50

at Berkeley all then.

10:51

Kind of ball too early he would fastest

10:53

to forty five sacks.

10:55

Ball they really missed at our class,

10:57

you know, like I

10:59

remember, Yeah, it'd probably

11:01

been somewhere in there. I thought I was. I

11:03

was like praying to God the Vikings

11:05

didn't draft me because its noos.

11:07

You know.

11:07

You know how I feel about the cold.

11:08

Yeah, right, So I want

11:10

no smoke with anybody that has a day

11:13

to day under seventy degrees. If you if

11:15

your winter is under fifty, I have problems

11:17

with you. I'm a very sweater

11:20

and shorts and flip flops guy.

11:22

Come to New Orleans has totally just

11:25

messed you up like that

11:27

from Arizona. Yeah, my life,

11:30

California, Chicago, New Orleans.

11:32

Guess what I've never.

11:33

Had to do? Die on the inside.

11:35

Guess what you do with Chicago, Cleveland, the

11:38

Ohio, the New York.

11:40

I'm sure you die on the inside every

11:42

day. You're like, oh, it's so lovely out here.

11:44

It's a Chris thirty three terrible.

11:47

It's my oh you.

11:49

I'd be calling him when I'm shoveling to drive and I'm like,

11:51

yo, man, this is what it is.

11:52

That's where you get to work out. It you don't have to work out because you're

11:55

shoveling the driveway.

11:55

Yeah, ain't none wrong with it is terrible. Ain't none wrong

11:57

with it? So what's been the key to your success? Though? Playing

12:00

at a high level for so long?

12:03

Since twenty eleven, in that draft class,

12:05

you played two hundred and nine games

12:08

and counting, you still.

12:09

Got out of possible What though to eleven,

12:12

I feel like I've missed.

12:13

That's the most of anybody. That's the most oft

12:15

anybody in that draft class. You you have it

12:18

out of that whole twenty eleven draft class.

12:20

Draft class, you got two hundred and nine

12:22

games and you're still going, I

12:25

believe with one hundred and seventeen and a half.

12:27

So I don't really understand how half sacks work.

12:29

But you share them somehow, like this

12:33

is a huge thing with him and Junior Gallett with oh

12:35

my gosh, this is a people were trying

12:37

to dive on quarterbacks and get up fast

12:39

first today.

12:40

Hey whoever could get up first to the Like

12:44

it was all so me and

12:46

you touched room at the same time, Like how does

12:48

how does the sack work? But who touched them?

12:50

For who?

12:52

That's how you split it if you if you and.

12:54

Me, I'm going I got the tack time, I'm going

12:56

down, but they come over and try

12:58

and just hop it, just hop on,

13:01

just just got to get in there.

13:02

Half it.

13:03

We really was in there, like we both did

13:05

all the work. So like, you know, it's really ours.

13:07

It's a group truck project. Come on, everybody. Everybody

13:09

deserves a little little yeah, a little something. But

13:12

what's been your secret though?

13:13

For just playing out a high level for so long?

13:16

Man blessed, highly favored.

13:17

You know, I feel like I feel like my God would

13:19

work some mysterious ways. I

13:21

told all my old heads. I was like, look, man,

13:24

I was like, like, poss play in the league thirteen years,

13:26

he's six Pro Bowls.

13:27

Got to get at least.

13:28

One, Yeah, you know, and I came in.

13:30

I feel like I came into the right group.

13:33

Like I said, all the coaches sort of hard on me that

13:35

first year where they told me, like, you know, they told me

13:37

young guys had to earn third down, nothing would be

13:39

given. And it was like, oh, we don't let rookies play

13:42

third down. And then after that I saw nothing

13:44

but rookies on third down. It was,

13:48

yeah, it's a chip that I'm gonna carry for the rest of my life. Should

13:52

but just the idea where

13:54

I had to earn that third down, like I was given a

13:56

chance to start first and second down.

13:58

They wanted me to be a four.

14:00

Eye, which is more like a D tackle hybrid, and

14:02

I want to be a defensive end and prove

14:04

my point that I was like, yo, me on the edge.

14:06

Is a problem.

14:07

You know.

14:07

The thing that I appreciate about Cam

14:10

and the young group with Lightning d linemen

14:12

that we had in New Orleans

14:14

was that every single one of them had like

14:16

their own very unique celebration. And

14:19

so I remember, like it was yesterday, I told

14:22

Cam and like, Cam, like, you're starting to get

14:24

sacks. Now, you got to do something to kind of separate

14:26

yourself, Like what's your celebration

14:29

going to be? I don't think he had actually thought about it.

14:31

White Lightning had where he would like

14:33

unscrew a lightning bulb.

14:35

I had never understood what that was.

14:36

I was like, well, he's hite lightning, So maybe

14:38

is that is that him he's doing?

14:40

He's doing work, Lightning.

14:41

He said, he's doing work. He's just working.

14:44

I thought he was, so he was unscrewed

14:47

down.

14:47

Yeah, Junior Gled had something, Will Smith

14:50

had something like everybody. Cedric

14:52

Ellis had something like everybody had

14:54

something, and so this was like big because now

14:56

I see Cam do the same celebration consistently.

14:58

Now he's on Madden, you know, leveling

15:01

up, and so this is

15:03

like I love it because

15:06

like I've seen this man and you talked about all

15:08

the things that is going into and how the hard work

15:10

and so it's just been really cool to see Cam continue

15:12

to grow and now be not only like a face

15:15

in New Orleans, but like a face in the NFL, which

15:17

is crazy crazy.

15:20

I like it.

15:20

Yeah, I mean it's just crazy to think about, you know, like

15:22

especially as a defensive end, especially

15:24

as coming out of New Orleans where.

15:26

We're one of the smaller markets.

15:28

Yes, it is for sure, you know, and

15:30

I think a lot of things just sort of story

15:33

hit our hit our favor. Yeah, you know, we hit

15:36

a strong playoff stretch where I

15:38

felt like we were clearly going to win one for like three

15:40

years straight, and even though we didn't, you

15:42

know, you got to take advantage of those opportunities.

15:44

Things had to stop us, like a Minnesota miracle,

15:47

you know, a referee going

15:49

blind. Maybe he was looking at the solar eclipse

15:51

the other day, you know, he was

15:53

like there was there was there was clear cut,

15:56

you know, reasons why we didn't go and just

15:58

you know, but because of that, we also

16:00

hit a hot stride. And

16:02

when you hit a hot streak, you got to you

16:04

gotta enjoy the ride.

16:05

Okay, do you have a number

16:08

in mind as far as like sacks are concerned,

16:11

where you'll be like, all right, this is the number.

16:13

Yeah, seventeen and a half ago.

16:15

So you wanted to get a hunt.

16:16

This is land yep, Like in my life,

16:18

this is all land yup in my mind. When

16:21

I first got to the league, I wanted I was like, yo,

16:23

if I can get fifty sacks, I was like, fifty

16:25

sacks, that's a hell of a career. I was like, you know, there's

16:27

guys in this league that never get more than ten.

16:30

I was like, I gotta get more than ten, all right, because.

16:31

Then you're like as the first round, you're you're a bus

16:33

You're.

16:34

Yeah, oh yeah, you gotta hit twenty. Yeah, like

16:36

you there's like there's somewhere in to stay off that list.

16:38

Yeah, of like top ten bus.

16:40

No, No.

16:40

I like thirty five to fifty was my range of Like

16:42

I was like, hey, like solid career.

16:44

I was like, I gotta I was like, I gotta get a Pro Bowl, like

16:46

I.

16:46

Can't be a failure kid, like you know, in

16:48

my mind, it was like, you know, in my mind, it was a failure

16:50

not to hit a Pro Bowl. Not like didn't

16:52

look at any other metrics of like, oh you could have a

16:55

seven, eight to ten whatever, five

16:57

year career, A year in the league is still successful,

17:00

you know, like you start in the NFL. Absolutely,

17:02

But in my mind, I'm like, I'm so, I was so jaded.

17:05

I was like, gotta get a Pro Bowl, possi plate for

17:07

thirteen, Gotta make ten years, gotta

17:09

gotta lead, like you know, my I wasn't

17:11

looking on the outside of like racing against anybody

17:14

except the Jordan last name right, I'm

17:16

like, like, what I

17:18

don't want to be is you know just that? No, that's

17:20

the That's Steve's kid. I said,

17:22

I want to grow out of that. That whatever Steve's

17:25

kid is, Like, I don't want to be that. And

17:27

that was my metrics. I was like fifty sacks. So once

17:29

I hit fifty sacks, I was like, all right, I gotta

17:31

I gotta change my dream up. It's about me now. I

17:33

was like, okay, I hit one hundred sacks.

17:35

You can't tell me I'm not top thirty defensive

17:38

end. Ever, there's thirty

17:40

two team in the league. If you pick

17:42

a franchise, I'm still up there.

17:43

Yeah.

17:44

So I was like, one hundred sacks, that's the new

17:46

goal, and I worked my ass off to get it. Now, one hundred

17:48

sacks, I said, okay, I got to reshape

17:50

the dream.

17:51

So where are you at now?

17:53

I didn't. I didn't shoot high enough.

17:54

I was like, like, where are you at now?

17:56

I was like, I was like one fifteen. I was like, I was like, all right, one fifteen

17:58

and a half is the Saints record. I gotta go win sixteen.

18:01

So here I'm at one seventeen and a half. I'm like, okay, what's

18:03

the next what's the next number? What's the level

18:06

up?

18:06

Are we ready to announce it right now? You

18:08

said that I want to go two more years.

18:10

I'm gunning for one thirty this year?

18:12

Okay, yeah I like that.

18:14

Yeah all right.

18:15

Now now I'm just on a year by year. So now

18:17

I'm gunning for one thirty. I don't hit one thirty.

18:19

Literally, I'm going to watch every Saints

18:22

game just because of you. Now, I appreciate that

18:24

just because of you. Because I'm gonna be at the crib

18:26

and I'm gonna be calling Rome on face up, like yo, he

18:29

got another one. He got another one,

18:31

and I'm gonna send it to you every game this year

18:33

because of you.

18:34

It's gonna be me called Grandison, Chase Young,

18:37

Brian Berzi. I love I

18:39

love the odds.

18:40

I like it though, man, I like the challenge.

18:42

That's that's what's up. I want to see these The

18:45

kid's gonna be a good player.

18:46

What my guy, My guy, Brian Ziz

18:48

is nice.

18:50

He's a good player. Yeah, I agree Grandison

18:52

as well.

18:53

We're gonna take a short break and we'll be back

18:55

in a minute. So we

18:57

started our podcast. Well yeah, we started

18:59

this podcast as I brought Rome over because

19:01

I sucked doing it by myself and I felt like I needed

19:04

the Batman Robin Combos so we could do this thing

19:06

together. We could tag team.

19:08

Our message really is about players in their second

19:10

acts. Clearly you are far from that because you're

19:12

still playing and you have your own

19:14

podcast. Now, what made you want to

19:16

start that podcast while you were still

19:19

playing?

19:19

Oh man, me and uh Me and my

19:22

guy mark.

19:23

Ingram had a same best

19:25

friend.

19:25

Yeah, that's my dog. Just you

19:27

know, just was in Liberia with him. That's that's

19:29

my that's my dog. Kids

19:33

about the same age, you know. I think

19:35

he got married relatively around

19:37

the same time.

19:38

Like, life is just great.

19:40

What's the name of your podcast?

19:41

Off Off the Edge with Cam Jordan

19:43

and what you just said. It's different

19:46

doing it alone, Like it's it's so much easier

19:48

with the friend.

19:48

You know, you got you The vibes

19:51

are always top tier when

19:53

you're doing it with yourself. Just

19:57

lost.

19:58

Yeah, but okay, okay,

20:00

that's.

20:00

What this is what I signed up for.

20:02

Bring the juice.

20:03

He's like, Hey, we're gonna talk about how he just

20:05

blew this bag against Spring Bay somehow,

20:08

but I'm gonna.

20:09

Bring the Jews today.

20:10

I don't know how he lost to this team because they were abysmal

20:13

and we were the reason that we the gain confidence

20:15

and all of a sudden became a playoff contender.

20:17

I assume it was our game. When you

20:19

blew, you know, you blow a seventeen lead.

20:22

Yeah, I saw you talk to Jordan Love about that, man.

20:24

Yeah, that'll grind my gears for the

20:26

rest of my life, you know, hopefully not hopefully

20:29

we win one this year and all I talk about is Lo.

20:31

Yeah, I remember that you have the Saints want the Super Bowl twenty

20:33

twenty four.

20:35

Yeah, you know what, I'm not even going to hate,

20:37

but I kind of want to hate because the longest

20:39

New Orleans goes without winning another championship,

20:42

they just make my year that much better. So, not

20:45

trying to be a hater, but it's kind of the

20:47

thought process of a Highlander, you know, where they

20:49

can only only be one, only

20:52

only one. It's kind of cool. So

20:55

but not hating on you, Camp, I mean I

20:57

would just this situation. Yeah, he

20:59

hated. Dude,

21:01

young players ever come to you now and try

21:03

and pick your brain about how you got to where

21:05

you at some of your technique, things

21:08

like how do you take that now? Because you truly

21:10

are, you're the captain, You

21:12

got all the years on it that you can have filled

21:15

up.

21:16

Yeah, he's that guy. Now you a

21:18

jet at man.

21:19

So but I've seen this whole transition

21:21

and now you're coming full circle. So how do you treat

21:23

that and how does that go about? And how often

21:26

does it happen?

21:27

Man?

21:27

Probably since what year two

21:30

and fourteen when you guys left when'd you

21:32

leave two thousand from the Saints twenty What.

21:35

When I left?

21:35

Yeah, twenty fourteen, thirteen fourteen,

21:38

yes, so thirteen is my last time.

21:39

That was That was the huge culture

21:42

shift, right, twenty thirteen? Roman

21:44

Harper leaves, So that was fourteen. Yes, So after

21:47

thirteen fourteen, Malcolm Jenkins

21:49

leaves, Roman Harper leaves, Jonathan

21:51

Vilma leaves, Will Smith leaves. I

21:53

look around and I go from year three four

21:56

from being just like all right, I'm figuring my shit out

21:58

to everybody looking at me like all right, how do

22:00

we figure our shit out?

22:01

Yeah? I'm like so that was a huge culture shift.

22:04

But since then, so since year four ish.

22:06

Guys been come my way, hey man, like, how do

22:08

you how do you take care of your body?

22:10

Hey?

22:10

Bro?

22:10

Like, I don't take care of my body just yet? Bro,

22:12

Like this actually worn's perfectly

22:15

fine.

22:16

How much do cold tub? I don't cold tub?

22:18

Is that weird for you though? For God to ask

22:20

that?

22:20

I mean, yeah, because you're twenty five and

22:22

you know everybody looking at you like, all right, well

22:24

how do we do this?

22:25

Is this?

22:25

You got a massage?

22:26

Guy?

22:26

I don't really I don't need all

22:28

that yet, you know, like and you're you're

22:30

sitting there, got to figure my stuff out, but it made you rapidly

22:33

figure shit out right to where

22:35

you're like, all right, well this is what this is my plan and this

22:37

is what's worked for me, and this is how I can help you.

22:40

And you know, you had young guys at

22:42

the time like John Jenkins and a Keen Hicks

22:44

you're behind me, which was great and

22:47

coral and everything, and you know, just that

22:49

sort of culture shift. So I've been

22:52

leading these, you know, my D line

22:54

for ten years now. So at

22:56

this point it's routine. Guys come in and

22:58

I want to push them to their highest levels. Yeah,

23:00

I'm like, you know, I'm on them, like you know,

23:03

like I'm gonna coach myself. I'm like,

23:05

you know, I don't like your hand placement, and I tell

23:07

them though, I'm like, oh.

23:07

If you don't like my hand placement, tell me. At

23:10

worst comes worse.

23:11

If you say nothing, it makes me worse and makes us worse

23:13

as as a unit because we're a D line unit,

23:16

you know, And so it's

23:18

sort of easy. It's now it's different when now

23:21

you know you got just young guys in general, linebackers

23:24

wide receivers.

23:24

Whatever. It's like, all right, well what do you do? All right, well let's talk

23:26

about it.

23:27

And it's it's sort of like I said, but it's an easy it's

23:29

an easy progression because it became a natural

23:31

progression.

23:33

You were forced into it, forced into snicker

23:36

swim.

23:36

Hey what, I didn't choose this life. This life chose

23:38

me, you know, I said, Okay, let's respond.

23:40

Thrown right in the fire. My my,

23:43

My next question for you is, with

23:45

all your success and where you've been and

23:48

how you've transformed your your your

23:50

game, who would you on your mount rushmore

23:53

of just sataness.

23:55

NFL period,

23:56

but period period period

24:00

life.

24:01

Okay, it could be, it could be live, it

24:03

could be for football. Yeah, I mean, I mean, make

24:05

it whatever you want.

24:06

I mean, there's probably gonna be Steve Jordan right

24:08

there, right, because like if without

24:11

him, there's no me. Yeah, and

24:13

even even like even if without saying

24:15

that, like that was always my like north

24:17

Star, right, that was like my like chasing the dream

24:20

was Steve Jordan. And

24:22

then right beside

24:24

him, I probably put in Russell

24:28

Peace, rest in peace. Chris Dolman.

24:30

Yeah, grew up born born

24:32

in Minnesota.

24:32

Grew up watching this defensive

24:35

monster of a front Chris Dolman,

24:38

John Randall, Keith Millard.

24:40

At one season between

24:43

this D line they had like fifty

24:45

five to sixty sacks between just the D

24:47

lineman.

24:48

It was and it was like it was

24:50

like Keith Millard had nineteen, John Randall

24:52

had like thirteen fourteen. It was

24:54

Chris Chris Dolman with another twelve. The

24:57

other the other defensive end had like another eight

24:59

to nine. Rotators had another like five

25:01

or six. And you're just sitting there, You're like, as

25:04

a kid, you look back at it, You're like, this was bananas.

25:06

But as I grew up in you know, high school, whatever,

25:08

it was those reconnections with Chris Doman, those

25:11

those chats, those textas as texts

25:13

as I got older, even into the league.

25:16

My guy, So rest in peace, Chris Doman

25:18

up there. Then you you

25:20

know, you you probably you probably

25:23

say you know my wife is up there, right,

25:26

Nicki, Jordan is up on Mount Rushmore because

25:28

she has to deal with my like the same

25:31

competitive person you see practice

25:33

I bring home and she matches intensity you've

25:35

seen, NICKI, Yeah,

25:38

my wife is the most competitive person

25:40

I know, which I only assume is

25:42

going to make all four of my kids monsters,

25:45

and it's not gonna be me. It's gonna be her propelling

25:47

them. Like she's she's uh McDonald's

25:50

all American out of a school out here in La

25:53

Marble, Marlboro, all women's basketball,

25:56

Yeah, basketball, all American playing basketball,

25:59

goes to rough, ends up whatever

26:01

that that career was, but she ends up playing

26:03

ball out in Finland, m Javascola,

26:06

Finland, like just the need

26:09

to continue competing, Like why you

26:11

out here?

26:12

I went to go visit her. It was Neglave thirty.

26:14

I said, I can't stay long actually actually

26:17

actually goodbye.

26:20

But then so she's up there and my son

26:22

is like he tells me, like like

26:24

it's his day job to tell me.

26:25

He be like, well, Poppy played football, Daddy

26:28

played football. I'm gona play football.

26:29

And I'm like, actually, it's okay to be a lawyer, bro, Like it's

26:31

okay to be a doctor. Probably we're gunning

26:33

for this basketball money. Like but

26:36

anyways, so that's my three and then my fourth.

26:38

I'm probably gonna just insert myself then,

26:41

like I feel like I have to be up there.

26:43

If it's a if rushmore, I have to be up there.

26:46

That is a first. That is I

26:48

was like, as he said it speaking, I'm

26:50

like, I don't think I've ever seen or heard someone

26:53

put themselves up there on the Mount rushmore so, I

26:55

like it.

26:55

Now you look in the mirror. I like what I

26:57

say. We're doing all right.

27:00

I love that nobody's done

27:02

that, and I love that.

27:04

Yes, Cam, you always continue to surprise

27:06

me. I always

27:09

continue to surprise me.

27:11

I appreciate you.

27:12

We're gonna we're gonna leave it at that.

27:14

We're gonna leave it at that. Thank y'all for listening.

27:17

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27:29

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27:31

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