0:00

There was pressure with Brown's

0:03

and Calves.

0:04

Now Lebron though Lebron is it

0:06

is especially this Yeah, I think that's why.

0:08

I was trying to like competition though, right, you have

0:10

the same city City coet.

0:12

We had the same so

0:15

it's funny though, there's a funny story about that. So

0:17

we both had Bentley coops.

0:18

This is all.

0:19

I had a Mulliner. He had the same exact

0:21

car as different real wheels. I

0:23

remember parking my car in Valet and they

0:25

had me parked up front. By the time

0:27

we came out, I was about to try to get in the car.

0:30

My key's not working. It was, Oh, no, that's not yours,

0:32

it's Lebron. I was like, where's mine? Said, we parked

0:34

you was down the street. I was like, why do you move

0:36

mine? Come on, don't

0:38

don't do that too. I'm like, it's levels

0:40

to this level, us to this.

0:53

Thank you for tuning in to the NFL

0:56

Player's Second Acts podcast on

0:58

Peanut Tillman and we got more Town's

1:01

mayor right here, mister Roman Harper.

1:04

Dude, I'm only being to Detroit like twice. Yeah,

1:06

you know what I mean. If y'all want to vote me in I'll do it. I'll

1:08

clean it up. There you go. It's nice out here.

1:10

The only thing I can't change is the weather, which is pretty

1:13

cold right now.

1:14

It's just.

1:18

Okay, next case I already tried to tell us, does

1:20

herb and get to him? Man, First and foremost

1:22

is get out here to our listeners.

1:24

And all of our viewers.

1:25

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tell us how we're doing. We love to keep bringing the heat

1:37

man, and uh, we need the heat right now. It's a little

1:39

cold outside, Peanut, who is our guest? It's cold

1:41

outside and it's cold in here. But I do believe

1:43

this next guest is going to bring the heat. Okay,

1:46

like I did that.

1:47

I like that. Yeah, I like.

1:48

That so earlier it was terrible

1:53

on me. Anyway, back to the show. He

1:56

was the third overall pick in

1:58

a two thousand and five draft out

2:00

of them out of Michigan. Still holds the schools

2:02

all time or he is still the schools

2:04

all time. LI Receiver didn't know that until I read

2:06

that.

2:06

I didn't know that either. I didn't realize that.

2:09

Uh yeah, I played nine years in the NFL

2:12

Pro Bowl All Pro and

2:14

now he's an author and he's

2:16

probably Detroit's biggest voice.

2:19

Ladies and gentlemen.

2:20

Braylan Edwards, Welcome, thanks,

2:22

welcome to the show to the city. Yeah, thank

2:24

you, literally said, bro, you played in

2:26

Chicago.

2:27

I'm from Alabama,

2:29

brom

2:34

from Alabama, and we soft. Yeah,

2:37

I mean it's just hot, like it gets told in

2:39

Alabama gets down to forty.

2:41

Yeah, okay, but like not right

2:43

now though, that's true. So right now, it's about

2:46

seventy five.

2:46

Yeah, seventies eighties so, and

2:49

I live in Charlotte now, so it's in the seventies.

2:51

They will always be in the South. South guy, always

2:54

will always be a.

2:55

South Caroline is a beautiful state. I was out there

2:57

for the Dreaming Jacob's

3:00

Yeah that was man. Me and my girl

3:02

went beautiful time. I just loved the greenery

3:04

trees.

3:05

Yes, I was actually in Raleigh and

3:07

didn't know the dream Like I knew it was going on, but

3:09

I didn't really think about it until I

3:11

was staying at the hotel I saw album.

3:14

Kamara and his people were there and

3:16

uh it had a whole bunch of the people from Dreamville

3:18

staying at the hotel.

3:19

I was actually at a wedding day.

3:21

Uh yeah, it

3:23

was Actually we stayed.

3:26

Small World after

3:28

this. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, man,

3:31

that was it was just crazy. But yeah,

3:33

yeah, so you want to tell this whole first

3:35

story.

3:37

Yeah, I gotta ask him now, Okay,

3:39

I'll tell you what you asked him.

3:40

Since you you you you're doing my job,

3:43

so I'm gonna let you do it.

3:44

No, if you want to do the funny story, you go ahead.

3:46

I was gonna go to football, but I'll let you

3:48

do the fun funny. I can't wait to get the spice. I

3:51

went to high school with Spies really down the street.

3:53

Yeah, we did our last

3:55

podcast and he was calling me on the phone.

3:58

I talked to him the other day.

3:59

He's been the best. I meant, Spiders when I was twelve,

4:02

been friends there.

4:03

So y'all been friends. You've been friends with dubbed

4:05

that long. I did not know that. So

4:07

you guys went to the same high school. I went to King I was

4:09

a fresh leader. Yesterday or last night, I was

4:11

not.

4:12

I called him when I got in sound and he's like, I

4:14

was like, yeah, man, I'm in this, you know,

4:17

my mo vacation and I'm in Detroit.

4:19

He was like, come on, man, chill out, relaxes

4:21

Detroit.

4:22

What you do. And he's like, I remember old high school.

4:24

Come through.

4:24

I'm like, uh no, I'm going to my hotel

4:27

right now.

4:27

It's funny. It's literally down the street. But right now

4:29

with all the traffic and.

4:31

Yeah, things are blocked off, it'll

4:33

take you forever to get there. But if it's no traffic,

4:36

four minutes. Yeah. Yeah.

4:38

So what I do want to talk about is

4:41

the ymc A. You know, there was

4:43

a there was an incident. It

4:45

was that that happened. There

4:48

was an elderly person that was

4:50

I would assume we could say it was.

4:52

Was being attacked.

4:53

Yeah, and you you stepped in

4:55

and stepped up to get involved

4:57

in intervene and help this to help this person. You

5:00

know what what made you want to get

5:02

involved and help this person being attacked?

5:05

You us three around the same age, you know,

5:07

and this newer generation

5:09

everything is recording, this new era

5:11

twenty four, everything is recording. People aren't helping

5:13

people are, you know, like standing and watching

5:15

and not doing anything and I always

5:18

complain. I see things online

5:20

or you see things on the post, It's like, why they record,

5:22

Why won't they help.

5:25

That's why the Alabama bro was so special because people

5:28

stepped in.

5:28

You know what I'm saying, so.

5:29

Shut out,

5:32

just write down mate for me.

5:33

Respect. So when man,

5:38

let's go time. But when I.

5:40

Instinctively, I just think some people are like

5:42

I think football players are built like that, you

5:44

know, yeah, extinctively go do call

5:46

to action.

5:47

So so it wasn't right, and

5:49

I made it right.

5:50

I saw I read that article too, and

5:52

it was you were like, I mean, it's just what

5:55

I was supposed to do, just like the

5:57

old only man this young dudes jumping on him.

5:59

It's just like that man. Dude was young guy was

6:01

about twenty twenty two or so. He was twenty

6:03

two. He was in shape. Other guy was like

6:05

eighty or seventy two seven. It

6:08

was all about loud music.

6:10

That's exactly what it was. And this is the other

6:12

side of the thing. I couldn't say this when I

6:14

was on the news and the other places. Sometimes

6:16

like stop trying to enforce rule though, because you

6:19

never know how people are wired.

6:20

You never know for sure.

6:21

He don't don't go and be all, hey,

6:23

hey, turn that down and yelling at people. You never

6:25

know how people are wired. I'm not saying what that guy was

6:28

right. It was totally wrong. Yeah, sometimes

6:30

it's not your business, like, yeah, how long were you in the locker

6:33

room for it? Just put your trunks

6:35

on, go swimming, or take the clothes on, go home,

6:37

like sometimes stay out people's business. But it

6:39

was the right move, man. I'm glad the guys okay actually

6:42

made out the hospital a couple of weeks ago.

6:44

Good. Good.

6:45

So I want to talk about this because

6:48

you were going to mention I guess the first time we played,

6:50

Yeah, seventy five yards to the crib.

6:51

First play, tore my a cl and five.

6:54

It was my rookie year.

6:55

I toured in December, actually on my mom's birthday, December

6:57

fourth, Jays's birthday, too. Worked

7:00

my way back, went through the rehab process

7:02

the first time I'd ever been injured, so I didn't know what to

7:04

expect.

7:05

I thought my career may be over.

7:07

Obviously now ACL is nothing,

7:09

but got all the way back. First

7:11

game of the year going against Reggie Bush obviously

7:14

the Saints, but it was Reggie's first game. I know that you

7:16

personally, and I'm excited. First

7:19

play of the game, seventy five yard

7:21

touchdown. I call it was an motion post

7:23

route boot boot seventy five yard touch

7:25

I'm excited.

7:26

It was holding on our left tackle.

7:28

I was like, this is gonna be a

7:30

bad season, like this is just an omen But I

7:33

remember.

7:33

Look at one play, you just knew it was gonna be a bad season.

7:35

Did we finished season five and eleven?

7:38

I think you guys won by four?

7:40

I think yeah, But I remember looking at the

7:42

Scoleton Report. I've always been heavy and looking

7:44

at the Scoleton Report seeing like sizes like

7:47

well guys went to schools, you know about

7:49

guys and get.

7:50

Into their head.

7:51

Looking at the picture, I was like, who's this old dude

7:53

playing safety out here? Roman

7:55

Harvey had the white hair that I'm like, this

7:58

dude ain't no rookie because it is by

8:00

his name.

8:00

I said, that's the typo and it's

8:04

not. You know, still looks the exact same

8:06

looks great, bro.

8:08

Appreciate it. But it was

8:10

funny. It was my very first game was versus

8:13

Cleveland.

8:13

He hit like the old man too, Yeah I did, and

8:15

uh, Roman strengths he got that still

8:17

too.

8:18

I actually had a sack to seal the

8:20

game for us. My boy Rob Nikovich.

8:22

We had a little Yeah

8:24

he is last night. Yeah, he was at the little

8:26

thing last night with the MGM.

8:28

So he uh.

8:29

He took the tight end, which was Kellen Windsor,

8:31

who I like I told you earlier.

8:33

I love guarding him because he always talked trash

8:35

and he literally talked the whole game. He's

8:37

not gonn and he's not going to shut up. And he'd

8:39

be like, oh I got you on that. I'm like, dude, they didn't

8:41

even look over here. He's like, I don't care. All

8:44

right, It's just me and him in our old world

8:46

for like sixty minutes.

8:47

It was great.

8:47

I got a thousand windows stories. But this

8:49

is a funny quick one. So we're playing the Chargers.

8:52

This has been the same years six tight

8:54

game. We're out in San Diego. This is before they obviously

8:56

in LA and he's yelling at our coaches.

8:58

He said, hey, run that play, running play when

9:00

the play we do in practice. Because he's trying to get the game

9:03

winning play, which is a good play for him. I'm

9:05

laughing. Give him to play, don't you know. We get

9:07

in getting the actual game. He

9:09

ran the wrong route. You

9:12

asked for this play, You've been running this play.

9:14

He ran the wrong round. I ended up being open. He's like,

9:16

hey, son, I forgot.

9:21

That's only that's all shty

9:23

k T. I appreciate the honesty.

9:26

He got too hyped. I forgot.

9:28

I forgot. I'm gonna hype hisself up and forgot

9:31

to play.

9:31

You know you're

9:34

doing like mannerisms like him though, because

9:36

that's what he was like. When I would be guarded,

9:38

he was like, hey, I got here, just.

9:40

Like I didn't know him personally, but he

9:42

worked I worked.

9:43

Out with him a couple of times in in uh Schrist

9:46

ranching in California

9:48

with Sprolls and everybody like that was

9:51

l t or yeah dame.

9:53

When we all worked out there. He didn't

9:55

speak to me my rookie year. So like he's

9:57

drafted, oh four, I'm five.

10:00

He was like big Tom Venue on his

10:02

second year. Hold on, hold up, because this is why

10:04

this is so funny. He got hurt.

10:06

The motorcycle thing happened the

10:08

week after the draft. I get drafted to Cleveland,

10:10

and I'm like, damn Cleveland. But

10:12

then I'm like, all right, I was like, well, K two. I

10:14

was like, it's real. But I'm like, all right, Well K two's

10:16

at Keller Ones. I'm like, all right, video

10:19

team and we'll figure it out. A week later,

10:21

the actually happened, so he didn't play that whole year.

10:23

He didn't talk to me, like when he came in for

10:25

treatment I was seeing him, wouldn't speak, didn't

10:28

speak. I guess he felt like I was a guy

10:30

coming in. You

10:32

know, the first time he spoke to me, I'm

10:35

sitting in the stool on the shower tearing

10:37

my a cl He came in the shot. He was like,

10:39

hey dog, Hey, hey, hey son, we're gonna rehab.

10:41

We're gonna get right next You're gonna be all year. I oh, you speak

10:44

to me now. My answer is injured.

10:46

But great dude had great rehab process.

10:48

And that's why I can do all his mannerisms because I spent

10:50

a lot of time together.

10:52

Oh I totally get it, So

10:54

go ahead, Nope, all right,

10:56

I won't to know how this whole thing with Michael Phelps did because

10:59

you him that, yeah, you

11:01

would have double the touchdowns right

11:03

true? And he about

11:05

his gold medals, which seems like a doable

11:07

thing.

11:08

You know, if he wins four, you just gotta

11:10

get eight. You'd just come off.

11:11

A big year.

11:12

What you had fifteen or six sixteen, sixteen

11:14

the year before. And he goes out and gets eight

11:17

gold medals? How did that whole conversation

11:19

go? And have you actually paid up because

11:21

you didn't get sixteen?

11:23

I damn sure didn't. I didn't.

11:28

Yeah, my boy, he was a freshman

11:30

in my senior year, so we hung out.

11:32

I swim a lot in the mornings with him. Old

11:34

you would go over there and swim. Yeah, I swim.

11:36

They swim. They get in the pool like.

11:37

Five No, no, they up every morning like five thirty's

11:40

five thousand swim.

11:42

But I would go with that like I would swim.

11:43

I could swim, but not like that, you know, like

11:46

when they would get in the part, jump in, do a lap

11:48

or two. I'm all right, I'm on the platform. I'm on the

11:50

spring board, like I'm just on the diving boards. So

11:52

we got real cool. We got tired. He comes

11:54

to that next year. I had sixteen

11:57

off season. I'm talking stuff to him, like, hey, you

11:59

know, base Jean's coming up. What you're gonna do?

12:01

I did sixteen last year. I said, I bet I double

12:03

whatever you do. So we put fifty k on

12:05

it, and I think I had

12:08

six touchdowns.

12:09

Maybe you're not even that man, Cleveland. We sucked,

12:12

but I paid up. Okay,

12:14

you paid up. Yeah that's my guy. Okay, I love

12:16

that. I love that, like Mike's my guy. See we

12:18

didn't get the whole scope of the

12:20

end result.

12:21

I love that you did that because I

12:23

mean, last time we seen Michael Phelps,

12:25

he was at the Masters behind behind

12:28

Tiger, right, was that behind Tiger on sixteen?

12:30

That's why you paid up. So you pay up because

12:32

you know his access is you

12:34

know what I mean him Now I still have that access

12:36

too.

12:36

You don't pay up, I can't go to the Masters, I

12:38

can't go hang out with Michael Jordan's Yeah, I pay.

12:41

He's a good dude, man, I've heard great

12:44

Yeah, great family man.

12:45

He's great. He's a great friend to have.

12:47

I ran into him in Michigan two years ago,

12:49

I think the High State game. He was the same dude,

12:51

same dude as a big ear kid.

12:53

When I made it. He was eighteen years old, same

12:55

guy he is now as a father and a.

12:57

Husband, big broad shoulders. That's about

12:59

swimmers. Bro, he's a funny, funny story.

13:02

Since we're talking about swimming this,

13:04

dude, you want to see a funny

13:06

story or you want to see something funny.

13:08

Can't swim?

13:08

Oh my god, well I can't swim.

13:11

I'm not like, I'm

13:13

not saving lives winning races,

13:15

Okay, but I can swim like I'm good.

13:17

You can do with take what it takes.

13:18

I'm good, I'm great, I'm confident.

13:21

But you also got to understand what the situation is

13:23

that we stepped into. Okay, we're

13:26

in the Brevnick and Croatia Great

13:28

Couples truck. We're doing that thing, you know what I mean.

13:31

And Peanut has this great idea where we're gonna uh

13:34

water Polo. I don't know

13:36

why, but he's like, dude, when else.

13:37

Are you wanna do this? Yeah? About energy?

13:40

Too much energy, it's exhausting. Line

13:42

were you at? Where were you at? Not try?

13:45

Yeah?

13:45

Because the

13:49

boat somebody should have been there to

13:51

tell me. I was like, thank

13:53

you appreciated bon because he didn't. So he's

13:55

like, come on, man, the guy. It's not

13:57

even about the speed up, but we had you know it?

14:00

Yeah, but you have the country.

14:01

So yeah, that we go appreciate

14:03

it, you know what I mean. You have the country that appreciated.

14:05

You know what I mean? When in Rome do with the Romans agree?

14:08

You know what I mean.

14:08

So we're out there and man, we get

14:10

out there and I'm

14:13

like, bro, where the bottom at?

14:14

Like, ain't no bottom? He didn't

14:16

know that, but no, no, no, Bro, you thought

14:18

you was gonna something in there. It was like,

14:21

no, it ain't no bottom,

14:23

but it ain't no bond. They got

14:26

to tread water. Brother, Yeah, I don't know how to do

14:28

that. I don't know how to do that. The

14:30

first thing they teach you at the why speaking

14:32

of yeah, let's

14:35

get that. I ain't had that.

14:36

So I get out there like I know how to swim, but I

14:38

don't know how to tread. So this

14:41

is clearly a difference. And so I'm out

14:43

there and I'm like, bro, this ain't it?

14:45

Did you know? Bottom? Not? It almost

14:48

like is this a D way? Is this a D way?

14:51

Lebron James Carmelo store where

14:53

they were like on the banana boat, Like Lebron had

14:55

to save Carmelo.

14:56

Yo know that. I know. Yeah I didn't.

14:59

Almost drown, but I did have to use like one ball to

15:01

throw another ball, because I was like, I don't know how to just

15:04

trade water like that, and so that was

15:06

a good time.

15:06

It was. It was a great time. How did you do because

15:08

that's that.

15:10

Yeah, I can trade. I'm I'm pretty straight at it.

15:12

I mean, I didn't want no gold medals or something like that, but I'm

15:15

deep. When I

15:18

can trade for about ten I can, I can, I can trade

15:20

for about fifteen minutes.

15:21

Okay, you can survive.

15:23

You almost when you almost couldn't get on the little

15:25

boat thing that the girls were on, you almost

15:28

fell back in the water and was hurting.

15:29

I didn't almost drown though, though anyway,

15:31

forgetting on it. You didn't deny that you almost failed it.

15:34

Yeah I did. I did fall, but just it was

15:36

bad.

15:37

It was both of us, honestly, it

15:39

was more for me crazy.

15:41

Yeah, No, I

15:43

won't do water polo.

15:45

Yeah meither. We'll be back

15:47

in a minute.

15:49

What I do want to know is who's the most, uh

15:52

the biggest celebrity you have in your phone right now?

15:54

Since you you you your.

15:56

Name dropped a little bit, Who's who's probably the

15:59

big what you got on your phone?

16:02

Bat phone? The rock? Okay,

16:05

on the bad phone. Okay, the bad phone,

16:07

the rock. Most folks don't admit to the bat

16:09

phone no more. Yeah, that

16:11

phone, dog I

16:14

located, I located. I tried to like,

16:17

let I try to let it go.

16:19

I tryed to let that one go, like okay, yeah, follow

16:22

up with another question or two, or say something, say.

16:24

Something different, okay

16:27

about that's my dog

16:30

wrap. I appreciate. All

16:34

right.

16:34

So was there ever any well coming

16:36

out of college or excuse me, coming out of high school.

16:38

I didn't get a thousand offers.

16:40

You probably got a thousand offers y'all.

16:43

Y'all were y'all were that good? I'm sure

16:45

you got a lot too, So was there

16:48

no?

16:49

My My journey was unique because I was I

16:51

don't want to use the words short, but I was short, like basically

16:53

I was five six and a half when I got to high school.

16:56

Yeah, five eight.

16:57

My sophomore year, I was like five nine

16:59

whatever, and I shot up

17:01

and I broke my knee my sophomore year as well,

17:04

So that delayed me my junior

17:06

game. So going into my senior year,

17:08

I had done the Michigan camp. I did some camps and

17:11

it was all mac offers and it was HBCUs

17:14

n's Howard Hampton nose and

17:16

then you know Central Eastern Michigan

17:19

Toledo. And then I went to Michigan

17:21

camp the summer going into my senior year

17:23

and turned it up a notch and so

17:26

Michigan State offered, Vanderbilt

17:29

offered cal offer. But I didn't

17:31

have any major major and I'm not trying to knock Michigan

17:33

State.

17:35

I'm not trying to knock them. But I didn't have any.

17:37

Major major offers, and I

17:39

think blessing disguise. Reggie

17:42

Williams, who went played at Washington,

17:44

got drafted by Jacksonville Jaguars and four

17:47

he ended up decommitting to Michigan and

17:49

then going to Washington, and so there's

17:51

a spot to open up. Lloyd Carr offered

17:53

me a scholarship based on my performance at

17:57

the camp and then how I played on defense.

17:58

I was a defensive standard out senior

18:01

year. Just say this.

18:03

I went to a small school. I played d N safety

18:05

and linebacker d N D. I

18:07

had eleven sacks my senior year.

18:10

I had like two touchdowns receiving all

18:12

my stats with defense. So Reggie pulls

18:14

out Paul and then I

18:17

go to Michigan and then the rest of Sitry. I had to work

18:19

though to get there. It wasn't easy once moved.

18:21

I can't believe you shot up that much. Yeah,

18:23

I mean I was like five seven my freshman year.

18:25

How big is it? How tall was your pops stands

18:28

six foot, six foot and a half. My mom

18:30

short.

18:30

My dad's side of the family though, his uncle

18:34

six ten, his cousin six

18:36

ten, his cousin's brothers seven

18:38

foot. It comes from that side of the

18:40

family. But my dad six foot, my mom's five

18:42

three.

18:43

Yeah, and your pops, if I'm not mistaken, your pops

18:45

with the Michigan too.

18:46

He did seventy seven eighty two, got drafted

18:48

in the third round, and eighty two to the Oilers now

18:51

the Tennessee Titans.

18:52

So football lineage is there. Yeah,

18:55

So you grew up around the game. I did.

18:57

I was always at somebody from Michigan's

18:59

house and warm Moon I was that's

19:02

unk.

19:03

Yeah what I'm saying.

19:03

They played in Houston together, So I was

19:06

always around the game, always in an arbor.

19:08

Jim Harbor, I remember him when he played

19:10

in Godge. You know what I'm saying. I was on

19:12

the sidelines running around. I was that bad kid.

19:14

But I will find my way back to the little

19:16

sidelines.

19:17

Would you were you able to enjoy

19:19

it though, because I know, like when I tried, like

19:21

we got room son here.

19:22

Right now, he's all about football. He's all basketball

19:25

right now. Though there's other two cads.

19:26

But I love that though, because my dad was

19:28

in the army, so I was all about whatever my dad

19:30

did, like I wanted to do.

19:31

He was at work.

19:32

I would go to his job and just be around

19:34

all the soldiers and everything. And I remember

19:36

it like vividly to this day, like I really

19:38

wanted to be around my pops and all

19:40

his friends. So luckily

19:43

or unfortunately, my kids were young enough

19:45

and I got girls, so they couldn't just

19:47

like hang around me all the time in the locker room and

19:49

whatnot. Do you actively do

19:51

you have like vivid memories of like your

19:53

dad, the stories, locker

19:56

room, going over someone's house, like just being

19:58

around the game.

19:59

I remember days to take me to the locker rooms in Michigan all the

20:01

time I met Desmond with Desmond was a freshman, Yeah.

20:04

At Michigan's.

20:04

I used to go in there and I remember crazy Ricky

20:07

Powers, Tyro Tyrone Wheatley, what

20:10

number six like? Look, I love like Tyron

20:13

Wheeley was my favorite player in Michigan history. Like if he

20:15

doesn't break his ankle his junior year, the rest is history.

20:17

But Jamunga, But I

20:19

remember when he was in the play for the Lions.

20:21

Yeah, so I remember silver my first jersey

20:23

ever bought Carolina. There

20:25

you go eight overall, I think

20:28

in ninety five. But yeah, you're

20:30

right, man. Just being around Pops and being around

20:32

the players, learning the game and coaches and

20:34

it just was fun.

20:35

Like I actually was a better baseball player than football

20:37

player.

20:37

But yeah, baseball is my first love because

20:40

my parents they separated, mam

20:43

re married and we moved to Georgia and I lived

20:45

in like throwing you in the country, like I

20:47

had six to twelve. So I fell in

20:49

love with baseball, man. Atlanta Braves love

20:51

my Tigers, Atlanta. I'm

20:54

a Braves fan.

20:55

So because the TVs though they had that contwork,

20:59

you could just all the time, and that was.

21:01

The great years when the Braves were great.

21:02

Though they left so many World Series

21:05

on the table, like Smokes

21:08

Maddox Glavin and Fred McGrath,

21:10

Fred McGriff, Teddy

21:13

penalty, Yeah, said Ryan.

21:15

Yeah, Chipper Jones is young Jones.

21:18

Andrew Jones later on, Yeah, Bobby

21:21

cox Man, he left.

21:22

He left too many World Series on today

21:25

pictures coach like they had.

21:27

Literally, I mean we

21:29

legitimately used to watch full baseball

21:32

games when I was a kid, Like you said, turn turn on

21:34

TBS, watching anyone to

21:37

the ninth in and going to sleep.

21:38

Yeah that's what now I can only watch like seven

21:41

and nine.

21:42

I feel you, dog, I

21:44

want to know this though, your time in

21:46

Cleveland. Yeah, uh,

21:49

you stayed relatively close to

21:52

you were there around the time Lebron and

21:54

all those guys were there. And

21:57

did you feel any like added pressure because

22:00

because of what Lebron had

22:02

brought to Cleveland that like,

22:04

man, the Browns we need to pick it up too. Or

22:06

was it because the Cavs weren't

22:08

that big of a deal either and all of a sudden, Lebron,

22:11

the home grown product showed up.

22:14

I didn't feel any pressure at all. Like Lebron was,

22:16

you know, one of a kind. He still is one

22:18

of the kind. I remember the Chosen Magazine, I

22:20

remember ESPN, I remember Sports Illustrated,

22:22

the King and all that.

22:24

Like the pressure that he had on him. He had

22:26

all the pressure.

22:27

So I didn't feel pressured, like this guy is supposed

22:29

to be transcendent, he's supposed to be better

22:31

than Jordan when it's all said and done. So nah,

22:33

I didn't feel any pressure with him.

22:36

But when they turned that thing around, like once he

22:38

got there, three, I got there, No. Five,

22:41

like they started getting good. Then they dethrown

22:43

the Pistons and O six yeah,

22:45

which is my team, So that hurt had

22:47

the root against him. But that's when you

22:49

started seeing us kind of like all right, look, they

22:51

not even that good outside Lebron, Like we gotta do

22:54

something with that. We got win some games,

22:56

and seven we finally did. We went ten

22:58

and six, didn't get into the playoffs with just grazy.

23:00

But there was pressure with

23:02

Brown's and Calves, not Lebron

23:05

though Lebron is it.

23:06

Is especially this Yeah, I think that's why

23:08

I was trying, like competition though, right, you have

23:10

the same city city, We

23:13

had the.

23:13

Same car like that, so

23:17

it's funny though, there's a funny story about that.

23:19

So we both had Bentley Coops. This is all.

23:21

I had a Mulliner. He had the same exact

23:23

car. It's different real wheels. I remember

23:25

parking my car in Valet and they had me parked

23:27

up front, like I asked, hey, put my car

23:30

right here, to put my car right there. By the

23:32

time we came out, I was about to try to get in

23:34

the car. I was like, my

23:37

key's not working. It was oh, no, that's not yours, that's lebron.

23:39

I was like, where's mine? So we parked us down

23:41

the street. I was like, why do you move mine?

23:44

Come on, don't don't do that too.

23:46

I'm like, it's love us.

23:48

To this, loves us to this.

23:50

I said, y'all won't get my business anymore. Oh

23:52

that's funny. Have y'all crossed pass since?

23:55

Uh?

23:55

Yeah.

23:55

We used to cross paths a lot. Then I got traded

23:57

to actually got into it. One of his dudes go

24:00

to words about that. Dude, look that up,

24:02

and I ran into him last night too. You

24:04

can you can bring that up.

24:05

Oh it will go ahead, No, tell us what happened.

24:08

I crossed paths with him in New York a lot, and when I got

24:10

traded to the Jets, he was always I thought

24:12

he was gonna be a nick like. I thought that was gonna

24:14

happen, But uh, just

24:16

one night, Man, we were out, We're downtown Sunday.

24:19

You get tired of losing. He's tired of the same

24:21

old routine.

24:22

Doubt.

24:23

Uh, you know, practice

24:25

all week, try to get a game plan.

24:27

Think you got a good game plan, and you go in the game

24:30

on Sunday, you lose, like they not getting on

24:32

for So we go out and I

24:34

just wasn't feeling. Said I'm ready to leave. I'm

24:36

tired of this man, Why are we partying. I'm

24:38

sitting here spending money with drinking

24:40

and blah blah blah said and we getting ass

24:43

like on the day in and day out. I said, So I'm ready

24:45

to go. I left early that night and

24:47

his friend was outside Edward Givings and

24:50

it was one, two three. It was four of them and the two security

24:52

guards that are always there. He was like, what's up being man,

24:54

why are you leaving early? I was like, man, because I'm

24:56

tired of the city, I said, the city week, I

24:58

said, this club's week.

25:00

I said Ebody.

25:02

I'm like, I'm like city Week. I said,

25:04

I'm just homesick. I'm tired of losing.

25:06

So they got mad because they're Clevelanders. They

25:08

was like, man, you week we think you corny,

25:11

that's not what you want. And so I'm

25:14

from Detroit born and yeah, yeah, yeah,

25:16

they surrounded me.

25:17

It sounded like a fourth grade fight, just out of nowhere.

25:20

It was, it was,

25:22

and they surrounded me and I hit

25:24

two and the other two didn't

25:26

do anything.

25:27

I jumped the crowd and I left.

25:28

But I'm from Detroit, like see

25:30

you swinging be swung on And it was just

25:32

me out there. Everybody else was in the club party and my manager

25:35

was playing the tag.

25:36

So I dropped, dropped him,

25:38

dropped Tim. The other two backed off.

25:40

I left and next thing I know, it's

25:42

on ESPN and I ain't gave him concussion and I

25:44

jumped them so well.

25:47

I I wasn't expecting

25:49

that, but I mean, I'm glad we're able

25:51

to address that as as adults now.

25:53

Yeah, I see him last night last

25:56

night, so him last night, his name ever, give

25:58

you tied me? He said, what's up? Bea much

26:01

different space now. I was like, what's going on at how you doing

26:03

as well?

26:04

And that's so good?

26:05

Yeah that's what we're

26:07

in our forties now. Yeah, bro, you should

26:09

be happy you got me for one hundred and fifty K. But just

26:12

neither here nor there. I'm

26:15

trying.

26:16

I'm trying. I'm better, I'm

26:19

better be better. Hey, how you

26:21

doing wrong to see you? Buddy?

26:24

Can I bout your drink tonight? Yeah? It

26:27

stings a little, you know what.

26:28

I will say this because we're talking about clubs a little

26:30

bit. So the first experience I have a Braylan

26:32

Edwards.

26:33

I knew it was a club experience. You said

26:35

it was definitely

26:37

a club. It's gonna be a good one because the sun's right there. It

26:39

was. It was clearly awesome

26:41

though.

26:42

So this was after my rookie year

26:44

and me and my college roommate, we're

26:46

in Vegas, and so we

26:49

like it might

26:51

have been club Twist, and so

26:54

we're out there and like me and my boy put our

26:56

card down.

26:56

We got a group of like five or six of us, and we get

26:58

a couple of botles. We're just trying to do it easy.

27:00

We're just trying to just trying to feel like we're

27:02

fitting in right, because I don't, you know, it's

27:04

the first time in Vegas period.

27:07

Dude. I look over, I'm like, oh.

27:08

That's brailn Netwards. I know

27:10

who that is. Like, oh, you are having

27:13

a glorious time. You were also the

27:15

first guy that I saw stand up on the section

27:18

where like, you know, that's how you get out there

27:20

as you stand up, and.

27:21

So I was like, Okay, so that's what I need to do.

27:24

Allegedly these are all allegedly

27:26

too. Yeah, I'm not one hundred

27:28

percent sure this is Brailer Netwards, Okay, but I'm

27:31

pretty sure this is Brailer.

27:34

Anyways, it was great.

27:36

I think I said what's up to you one time in passing

27:39

you, trying to say what's up?

27:40

It was all good, nothing but love.

27:41

But dude, when I saw you pulled the move, We're

27:43

like, I don't even

27:45

know how to say it, but like it was like, I mean

27:48

you had pants on, but like your pants fell

27:50

down and you were dancing in the club. You had other

27:52

pants on underneath that, but it was

27:54

still like broy pants on. I

27:56

mean he had like his underwears

27:59

or stuff on.

28:00

Yeah. Sure, yes, the way he wasn't naked

28:02

in the club, bro, this is wild.

28:04

Yeah yeah, but he was wild. Bro. It was like great,

28:07

it was a great time in Vegas.

28:09

He kind of set the tone in the tempo for

28:11

everybody else in the room that night. So

28:13

I honestly wanted to say thank you for like

28:15

being that light because it was a great night.

28:18

Thank you for being the light. But

28:20

you know what, I get what you said.

28:21

Like, so being from Detroit,

28:24

like growing up like Detroit's

28:26

party, like the era BMF is from

28:28

here in southwest Detroit.

28:30

I know who BMF is if you don't look it up.

28:32

Uh, this era was with Tommy Hearns the

28:34

hit Man. Like it's a big party city.

28:36

So cats me going out drinking champagne at the bottom

28:39

doing that since the eighties, et cetera.

28:40

So I kind of saw that growing up and it just

28:42

was fun. Yeah. I think a lot of times when I

28:44

was saw you were.

28:46

Yeah, you were like having a good time, like you

28:48

were the light that we all needed to see.

28:50

A lot of athletes, a lot of entertainers that go out

28:52

when what I noticed when I was younger is like

28:54

they were scared to have a good time or they wanted

28:56

to be reserved. I was like, look like, I'm gonna

28:59

just be me. I'm gonna have fun. I bring my friends

29:01

around. I hung out with more of my people from like

29:03

my city and my friends in actual NFL

29:06

player, I was cool with everybody yeah, but I hung

29:08

out my boys from the crib, you know what I'm saying, And we would

29:10

just go out and just live life, like

29:12

I'm blessed to be in this situation, bless to be

29:14

able to, you know, take trips to Vegas from Miami

29:16

or whatever, drive cars. So we

29:19

just wanted to have fun. And I had fun.

29:21

And I'm got it out of my system because now I

29:23

ain't staying up as ten unless

29:27

I'm watching the show. But I got out of my

29:29

system. But it was a lot of fun back there man Vegas,

29:31

trist the Waterfall, and.

29:33

Yeah, yeah, it was my first time in there, bro.

29:35

And I'm telling you, like, I'm like, bro, this is

29:37

how I'm supposed to have fun.

29:39

That's what I'm saying. Like I had never been

29:41

around it. I was my pants. But outside

29:44

of that, it was, it was, it

29:46

was, it was. It was a great night. That's all I want

29:48

to say.

29:49

Uh. Moving on though, back to football, Howard

29:53

juvenating was it? You talked about

29:55

how whack Cleveland had got for you or it was

29:57

weak?

29:58

How are juvenating was it?

29:59

When you got traded to the Jets as

30:02

a career, as a mentality, what did that

30:04

do for you?

30:05

So it's funny that that we're

30:07

giving situation story outside the

30:09

club. So the week before that, every

30:11

man Genie had asked us. He said, Hey, if

30:14

anybody wants to get traded or

30:16

they want to move, they want to see what they could do, come

30:19

talk to me and I'll make something happen. I have

30:21

been in Cleveland five

30:24

nothing, O six nothing. We didn't make the

30:26

playoffs all every ten and six, O seven eight

30:29

nothing, and now we're on three. So I'm

30:31

just thinking I need a change the scenior. You know how there's sometimes

30:33

you just need that change the scenery, new coaches,

30:36

new voices, new air whatever.

30:38

And so I said, hey, Coach, if you meant that I

30:40

would like to see you if you could do that for me.

30:42

I said, it's nothing against you.

30:45

I just don't think Cleveland and I

30:47

we jail, we vibe, we bond.

30:49

He said, Okay, I see what I can do.

30:50

Fast forward a week later, that situation happens

30:52

outside the club.

30:54

He calls me into his office at Wednesday,

30:56

early in the morning. He called it six am.

30:58

I'm like, well, I love hey Gray,

31:00

when when you come in, could you could you see me?

31:02

It's coach.

31:03

I was all right, bet So I go see him

31:06

like seven in the morning. He says, now we've

31:08

moved you to the New York Jedi. It took

31:11

everything and not to just

31:13

jump up and start like doing the robot like

31:15

I'm literally excited. I'm about to doug he here

31:17

the move, but but he

31:19

traded me.

31:20

I was so excited.

31:21

Wrong, pet Nut, I didn't

31:23

even go to the locker room, like I didn't go

31:25

downstairs. I left like I

31:27

didn't go downstairs. I left my Sony viol

31:29

I had I'm the DJ in the locker room. I'm one of the DJ's

31:32

locker room. So my speakers you can have it, Sony

31:34

Via have it, all, my cleats have

31:37

it. I left everything in Cleveland, got

31:39

in the car, called my mom. She said, I know your

31:41

agent told me last night. I didn't want to tell you.

31:43

So uh. It was great.

31:45

I go from being z and four to three

31:47

and one. Rex Ryan was a

31:50

player is and it will be players

31:52

coach, somebody you could talk to. Just

31:55

everything was different, like from the

31:58

cleaning staff was different. The

32:00

equipment managers were different,

32:02

like the cooks, the chefs great

32:04

conversation. The training staff was cool. John

32:06

shout to John Melly John Mellody.

32:09

So it just was it was great man, and then

32:11

people on the team. I said,

32:13

Okay, I'm not saying we're gonna win

32:15

anything, but I'm saying, what this is a playoff

32:17

team, and I feel at home. It's something I want to give all my energy

32:20

to and ball out. So it was brother

32:22

fresh.

32:23

A, Well, you brought up Rex Ryan.

32:24

Give me a great Rex Ryan story, because

32:26

you're already good at really good at imitating people, so go

32:28

ahead and give me one.

32:31

Okay. So Rex loved

32:33

me because I because I like, I'm a blocking receiver,

32:36

like.

32:36

I love like y'all know that, Like I love hitting the

32:39

defense.

32:41

So uh, he used to tell me.

32:43

He's, hey, hey, hey, look yeah

32:46

twenty four, you knock him out, you knock him

32:48

down, I'll let you be late for beating. You

32:52

know, I missed a couple of video neither

32:54

here nor there. So every time I would

32:56

knock players out or knock DB's out

32:58

or whatever, or defensive ends on a crack back,

33:00

I go up there. She was like, oh,

33:03

he said, you don't have to come into about nine fifteen

33:05

to day, but he was great.

33:07

Then I dropped, I dropped the touchdown.

33:09

Uh.

33:10

The playoffs. One time we playing the Bengals. We won

33:12

the game, I dropped the playoff. I come to the

33:14

sideline. I'm like, dangn all right, I got to

33:16

figure this out. I'm one when I dropped

33:18

a pass, like like, stay away

33:20

from it, like I'm gonna figure it out.

33:22

I'm figured it out to stay away.

33:23

If Rex comes up to me, he says, well,

33:26

you can hit, but you can't catch. For so

33:30

he like living me up and instantly is

33:32

what I needed. You know what I'm saying, You get out your own heads.

33:35

So great dude.

33:36

Man, he just knows what a player needs and he's

33:38

just he's a great dude.

33:40

How much does a sting to go to two AFC

33:42

Championship games and almost

33:45

like you're just one game away? How

33:48

much is that sting?

33:50

I love what happens on these podcasts because people

33:52

they get on here and they try to like not to tell

33:54

the truth.

33:55

I'm a I'm a blamer. I'm gonna go ahead and say, yeah,

33:58

thank you. The reason why blame

34:00

I'd be blaming.

34:01

The reason why it sucks is because it's Brian Shotenheimers.

34:04

Fuck Brian Schottenheimer's offensive

34:06

coordinator the two years I was in New York Jets.

34:08

Cool dude, but it couldn't get

34:10

it done. First year we played

34:12

the coach right, they're playing

34:15

man and man coverage. I had one hundred yards

34:17

at halftime. Yeah, I had one hundred

34:19

yards a halftime. Thomas Jones,

34:21

It gets hurt, Jones.

34:23

TJ.

34:23

You know, TJ gets hurt. He

34:26

threw me one pass and the second half and

34:28

we lost. It was just the way

34:30

in which they went it by.

34:31

I give you an example.

34:33

We get into uh

34:35

it's it's the first half. We're

34:37

up four points. We

34:40

get a turnover, so I'm like, okay, cool,

34:42

we can go for a shot. Yeah, let's just take a shot.

34:44

Or actually we're up ten or four, four,

34:46

seven, one or two. Let's get the end

34:48

zone. They played for the field goal. Guess

34:51

what happens. They feely missed

34:53

the field goal. Guess what happened? Peyon

34:55

man and we were up ten. It was ten, That's

34:57

what it was. We were up ten. Jay feel missus

34:59

the field shout at Jay University, Michigan.

35:01

Goblu Peyton goes down fielding

35:04

thirty seven seconds right before the half and they score. So

35:06

now as opposed to being thirteen to zero,

35:09

or seventeen to zero. It's

35:11

now ten to seven. We get the ball

35:13

after the half. Don't you know that locker room was

35:16

dead, sad. We're up and

35:18

get the ball dead silent. But that was Brian

35:20

Schinheimer once again, and he threw me one pass

35:23

in the second half.

35:24

Second AFC Championship game, defense

35:27

did their thing. Defense did it thing.

35:29

We played the Stillers the second time, we

35:31

had just played them four weeks prior.

35:33

I had one hundred and eighteen yards. Antonio did

35:36

his thing. We took advantage because Troy was

35:38

injured. Troy had I think you want to say

35:40

Achilles was bruised or something like that, so

35:42

he didn't play in that game. Took advantage,

35:45

destroyed them in the AFC Championship,

35:47

changed the whole offensive game plan.

35:50

Threw me one pass and it was on the fourth

35:52

down.

35:52

I converted and then Jaco Jerichocatri shot

35:54

at Jacob one of my favorite teammates ever.

35:57

He had one hundred so dudes,

36:00

man, he want them dudes. He was coaching thing too.

36:03

But he scores a touchdown. We can't come

36:05

back. Emanuel Sanders actually called a

36:07

third down conversion kind of in the game for it

36:09

I'm not saying he had to get me the ball, but why

36:12

I go away from something that's working. One hundred

36:15

in the first half, nothing in the second half. One

36:17

hundred and eighteen in the first game, and then one

36:19

pass in the second.

36:20

So I blamed Brian Shot.

36:23

I agree with you. I accepted. I

36:25

actually.

36:27

We learned from you guys that

36:29

first year versus the Jets what

36:32

not to do. I bet

36:35

we learned what not to do,

36:37

especially playing against Peyton Mann. Can you guys defense

36:40

was great first half yep. But

36:43

then by like the middle of the second half,

36:45

he kind of learned what you guys are doing.

36:47

Because our offense wasn't.

36:48

Yeah, I wasn't helping the defense on

36:50

the field, they're standing defense.

36:53

Yeah.

36:54

So eventually he kind of figured things out, and

36:56

then he started getting nicking us apart. So

36:58

then it was like, all right, well, we got

37:00

to have enough bullets in the chamber to

37:02

be able to do something in the third or fourth quarter

37:04

that.

37:04

He had

37:08

this nine this has been nine Super.

37:11

Bowl Yes, when we paid

37:13

against the Colts, and so when Tracy

37:17

Porter picked him off the end zone, that was just something that

37:19

he hadn't seen. And so we ran

37:21

a different version of a man and man coverage. So but

37:24

we learned from what the Jets

37:26

did, and you guys had him. You

37:28

guys had them. But then you guys just kind

37:30

of yeah, and you know, now

37:33

you're over here like Peanut with two conference

37:35

championship, ten appearances.

37:37

You know he got he got got

37:39

one too. Was that shot?

37:40

It was?

37:42

It was?

37:43

What do you think the biggest

37:46

misconception is about you as a

37:48

player?

37:50

Oh, as a player, I think it's the position as

37:52

a whole. I think it's the diva.

37:55

Yeah, I think it's a misconception of I

37:57

totally thought you would have been a diva.

37:59

I like hitting, bro like, I

38:01

like like blocking whatever, making

38:04

first downs, going over middle, catching like I

38:06

just love. But at the same time, I like getting in

38:08

zone, I like dancing, like doing all that.

38:11

I'm not a diva, you know. And I hate it when

38:13

they said that, like, I just played. I played

38:15

the game. Played the game. I played the game. So BIG's

38:17

misconception is devn. I think it's just a tag

38:20

for why those that wouldn't me.

38:22

We're going to take a short break and we'll be right

38:24

back.

38:26

So I retired in what twenty I'm retired

38:28

in twenty sixteen, were you're twenty seventeen.

38:31

Yeah, I probably say the hardest part.

38:33

About leaving this game or walking

38:36

away from it is accepting it. And

38:38

twenty thirteen you were in you

38:40

were in New York with the Jets and

38:42

the end up releasing you. I think you had hurt your knee

38:46

or I'm sorry ankle. What

38:49

was the hardest part about

38:51

accepting that it was over?

38:54

Like it's it

38:57

as a hell of a question, and I like, I love

38:59

how you asked it. This is our identity,

39:02

And I think that was the thing for a lot of us, a

39:04

lot of guys that didn't necessarily set up

39:06

things as they were playing and kind of already

39:08

have the phase out.

39:09

You know. I was that guy. I never focused on anything

39:12

but football.

39:12

Same so I focused on like football is.

39:15

Football is what gave me confidence to talk to women.

39:17

Like football is what gave me confidence just to

39:20

like to wake up.

39:21

I was. I was insecure

39:23

and shy as a kid.

39:23

I told you I was five six and all these other

39:26

stuff. Football gave me confidence,

39:28

you know, football, Like when I finally found myself,

39:30

it was football going number three

39:32

overall, I'm like, yeah, like, and

39:34

so much of my persona was number

39:37

third pick overall, you know, having

39:40

this and having that and being able to do this and that.

39:42

So now that it's slowly but surely

39:45

being taken, like damn,

39:47

who am I?

39:49

Damn?

39:49

What do I do next? Like you know when I walk into

39:51

a room, how am I be perceived?

39:53

Is it? Hey?

39:53

That's Braidlyn was always like man, you know,

39:56

you know you just got cut or you know

39:58

he he don't playing league no more. So I

40:00

think for me it was like trying to eventually

40:04

tell myself that

40:06

that's not who you are. Football is

40:08

a vehicle, Like football is a vehicle

40:10

that drives you to the plane that's ultimately going to get

40:12

you to where you are and like for who you're going to be. So

40:15

just working through that like that was tough, like

40:18

because I had to disassociate myself from

40:20

the player, Like I'm way more than

40:23

the football player. Football actually was a small part

40:25

of who I am. But it's telling yourself

40:27

that. It's having the confidence, having

40:30

my mom, having God, having like my father

40:32

and the.

40:32

People around me. Eventually you get there.

40:34

But in twenty thirteen, like I a

40:37

lot of time in Miami trying to run from

40:39

that next step.

40:41

Yeah, how long do you think that process was

40:43

for you before you started like

40:46

liking the Brailn nevers that.

40:48

You saw them.

40:49

Okay, thirteen, I officially

40:52

retiring. Fourteen fifteen,

40:54

I'm working with ESPN. I'm doing some hits

40:56

for Fox and start

40:59

to balance it feeling good. All right, cool, I'm still in shape,

41:01

still got money in my pocket. You know what I'm saying. I can do this

41:03

broadcasting thing and we can pivot

41:06

this and do some other stuff. No pun

41:08

intended, by the way, and for

41:11

the slows. I got DUI in twenty sixteen

41:13

and eot A fifteen Arizona. So

41:16

once that finally like knocked

41:18

out my agent,

41:21

then it Fox didn't want to do anything.

41:24

ESPN didn't want to do anything for a while. Then

41:26

I go right back into dang,

41:28

Now who am I were going to do? So it

41:31

was a while, and it wasn't until I went back to

41:33

school, going back to school.

41:35

I went back to school twenty seventeen to get my

41:37

degree. And when I went back, I said, oh,

41:39

okay, all right, stop, what's

41:41

all this pity parties?

41:43

Yeah, it was like like you.

41:44

Were with something before football, you'll

41:46

be way more after football. So going back

41:49

to school is it was like okay,

41:51

and getting going back to school, I start working at mental Health,

41:53

I started working in the

41:55

digital space again with media. So going

41:57

back to school is when it finally clicked again. It was

41:59

like, man, all

42:02

right, how many years has it been? Fourteen

42:04

seven?

42:05

What about school made you like

42:07

snap back into it? Because I look, I went back

42:09

after my second year in the league and finished

42:11

my degree.

42:12

I had three classes. I went back.

42:14

It was like the best experience

42:16

ever for me because I was

42:19

I wasn't working out like a normal football

42:21

player. I was doing on my own terms, but

42:24

I was like normal and I

42:26

was like, dude, I got so much more time. I

42:29

had so much more clarity. I could

42:31

do things on my terms. It was just different

42:34

and being in that classroom with other students and

42:36

kind of just seeing it work, and you actually

42:38

like, damn, I got a huge advantage

42:41

because everybody in this room at least that's how I.

42:43

Feel life experience I had.

42:46

Yeah, it was like everybody in here

42:48

is doing this just

42:50

trying to get this education.

42:52

To get their dream job. I'm like, dude, I already did

42:54

that.

42:54

Already did that. I got my dream job.

42:56

I'm just getting this paper.

42:57

Yeah, that's what it was. It easier

42:59

though it was easy for me.

43:01

It's the same same, and I'll get

43:04

into that in a second. But you bring up someone and I don't want to forget

43:06

it. That's a hard part

43:08

for us. So many people have

43:10

to go to school. Then once you go to school

43:12

route they're twenty two. Now, they struggle

43:15

to get the job or to get the placement, and

43:17

then they get the job at least to the next job.

43:19

Yeah, they're forty five before

43:22

they finally get to where they want to be or where

43:24

they get to their goal or fifty or et

43:26

cetera.

43:27

What do you do when you achieve your dream at twenty two?

43:29

Yeah, See, no one told us to move

43:31

the goal post back for ourselves. And I think

43:33

that's a conversation for these young kids

43:35

to tell them, like.

43:36

Look, keep moving that goal post.

43:37

That's a great point because when you achieve

43:39

it, it's already so like it's

43:41

done so anyway. But wide school did

43:44

it because I was able to put energy

43:46

and other stuff, like I was a good student when I mean, I talked

43:48

all the time when I was younger, but I was.

43:51

A's b's hecame easy.

43:53

But I saw myself put forth effort in other

43:55

things and enjoy it, whether it was writing

43:58

a paper, whether it was figuring out this, or whether

44:00

it was taking a stance in this class.

44:02

And then you were regular students that get away

44:04

from sports, Like were just sitting there talking

44:06

about you know, some some random girl from

44:08

Oregon and what it was like for her growing up, and this

44:10

is what she wants to do. Her cat from Maine,

44:13

Bangor Maine, and you kick it with doud like I'm

44:15

talking to this kid from Bangor Maine. So I

44:17

think being able to dive in classes, dive

44:19

in rhetoric or curriculum excusing,

44:22

and just meet random people that were

44:24

not in between those hashes that one hundred

44:26

back fifty four. Yeah, that's what kind

44:28

of like, all right, this is cool, Yes, it's

44:31

okay. Yeah, I'm gonna be okay. And would

44:33

you get your degree in language and arts? Language,

44:35

Language and arts speaking the other languages

44:39

I speak of.

44:40

Cash

44:43

a big coin. I

44:45

mean, I think that's a great a great subject.

44:47

Just not for my Would

44:49

you get to business business man business management?

44:52

I mean, but he already had his money, so he don't need to

44:55

like get a degree.

44:56

That's gonna like do that it's gonna be two.

44:58

Tis like I'm gonna get degree. I'm

45:00

not unless you're a doctor. Yeah,

45:02

lets you get your NBA. That's you're a doctor. Unless

45:05

you're with law, unless

45:07

you're those You're you're going to get a

45:09

degree and go do something completely different. Away, I wanted

45:11

more multiple experience.

45:12

I want to talk about one more part of the

45:14

transition and the struggle, and that

45:17

is you talked about this in your

45:19

book as well, that you wrote about

45:22

how bad this the reliance on the opioids

45:24

and maybe that led to some of your erratic

45:27

driving. Also on your uh, your Wikipedia,

45:29

it's pretty open and candidate about how

45:31

many speeding tickets you got, Like.

45:33

With everybody

45:36

knows you can pity at eight ten

45:38

year period you had, like I mean I

45:40

had to, I had to.

45:42

One was more extreme now yeah, yeah,

45:44

it was one tall Nights.

45:47

First it was like one sixty five,

45:49

I mean sixty five. First of all, why

45:52

is your free way sixty?

45:52

I agree? I agree that sounds like a DC thing.

45:55

That's a funny story too, That actually

45:57

is a story.

45:59

Tell it so going one

46:01

twenty five in the sixty but it's

46:03

a Bentley Bentley goes to twenty So I get

46:05

pulled over and the

46:07

cop is like, what

46:10

are you doing? What?

46:14

He said, what are you doing? I was like,

46:17

sir, the car goes to twenty. I was going one hundred and

46:19

twenty. Average car goes about one twenty at sixty,

46:21

So technically, i'm you're driving

46:23

faster than I am.

46:24

He's said, license and so

46:29

he gave me it, gave me a ticket for seventy

46:32

But oh good see.

46:33

But that's because I signed an autograph unbeknowing

46:35

to myself for his son who had cancer

46:38

and not his son, his nephew. He came and

46:40

camut science. He was like, man, you're a very nice so

46:42

I'm gonna cut.

46:43

You a break. I say, dude, I mean,

46:45

but I said, hey, I ain't say nothing. That's pretty I

46:47

appreciate it. Yeah, I was sober

46:49

though.

46:50

Yeah that's true, but I

46:52

want to know about that though, just your uh.

46:57

How bad was your op yo?

46:58

And like you also said the mental health thing, like these

47:00

are all the things that you learned and it

47:03

helped you get to where you are now.

47:05

Yeah, one of percent.

47:06

It never got to the point of like craziness,

47:10

but it definitely became a dependency.

47:12

For a second, right, I would say two, because

47:14

you know how Miami is. Yeah, yeah,

47:16

So.

47:17

When you're retired, I'm

47:19

now twenty twelve, I'm contemplating

47:21

what.

47:21

I'm gonna do.

47:22

I'm in Miami, I'm hanging out, hanging out with different

47:24

crowd, different people. I'm actually getting away from

47:27

the people that I hang out that I know players.

47:30

Yeah, and now you start to hang out with other people that

47:32

are in other things, and you know, you start dibbling,

47:35

you start dabbling, start trying things, and it just

47:37

it's that release.

47:39

Right, you know, it's like the getting away.

47:41

You're the escapism as they call

47:43

it.

47:43

So you know, from twenty twelve to two

47:45

thousand fifteen,

47:47

when that incident happened in Arizona and then

47:49

I had house arrested in this great

47:51

state of Michigan twenty sixteen,

47:54

that's when started to clear up.

47:55

And then when I went back.

47:56

To school, it was good, but

47:59

it was it was me realizing

48:01

I'm running away from people for a reason.

48:04

It's realizing I'm not going back to Detroit

48:06

for a reason. I'm not talking to my mom

48:08

or my brothers or certain friends

48:11

for a reason because I'm trying to escape.

48:13

I'm not trying to deal with, you

48:15

know, being mortal. I'm not trying

48:18

to. I'm not trying to deal with my mortality. I'm not

48:20

trying to deal with this sport

48:22

will not last forever and what's next.

48:24

I'm running from all that.

48:25

So I drink, you do other

48:27

things, and it's an escapism. But

48:29

when you come down from that escapism

48:32

like it is now you're depressed. Now

48:34

you're going to this depressed state. Now you're retiring.

48:36

Now now I'm not even working,

48:39

So now I'm able to do what I want. So

48:41

now it's just you don't have family,

48:44

if you don't have God, man, if you don't have good people

48:46

around you. And that's what I ultimately left

48:48

Miami in twenty fourteen. I come back to

48:50

Detroit, still working on myself. But

48:53

your mom ain't My mom's Detroit. She's strong

48:56

woman. It's always so long she will.

48:57

Let me run. Finally she look me in the marijuana.

49:00

They say, get you together. He was like you,

49:03

He was like, this is what what do you? What

49:05

are you? That's it? Yeah, like

49:07

what are you doing? And so then you're like, I

49:10

can't even lie. Yeah, I had nothing.

49:13

It's like K two at that play.

49:17

So but by the grace of guy, my mom, my

49:19

grandma. They stayed praying and stay work and he just he

49:21

was all right, cool, like you know, let me get out of it. So for me,

49:23

it was a phase. Yeah, And that's why I

49:25

chose to work a mintal health because you see a lot of football

49:28

players, a lot of athletes, a lot of people in general. It

49:30

starts small and then if they

49:32

don't have the people around them, and it turns into something totally

49:34

different.

49:35

Man.

49:35

So work with the NFL, I'm not association

49:37

here in Detroit, working with SMA, working

49:39

with some other groups. When I went back to Michigan, I met

49:42

some people over there at the Eastern Medical Wings.

49:44

So working in space for a minute,

49:46

man, and yeah, good people. Man. Thanks. Man.

49:48

Is there any advice you would give any former

49:51

player about staying on

49:53

top of that mental health aspect of it? I think

49:55

we talk about physical all the time, but

49:57

the mental part of it. Do

49:59

you just say,

50:01

what advice would you give the

50:04

former players? Yes, don't

50:06

be afraid to talk to people. Like and when I

50:08

say talk to people, it doesn't.

50:09

Have to be a therapist.

50:10

It could be uncle, be eyed,

50:12

and it could be your grandmother, it could be your girlfriend could be your wife,

50:14

it could be your son or daughter. Don't

50:17

be afraid to talk to people because I think we're

50:20

so ashamed a lot of times, or you're

50:22

so embarrassed, or you feel that

50:24

you're being embarrassed.

50:25

You feel that you be ashamed, and so.

50:26

You hide your corner and you're corner

50:29

from people that are not gonna judge

50:31

you.

50:31

You're cornering from people that if you get

50:33

it out in the open.

50:34

I think once you start talking, once you start having

50:37

dialogue, you can you can help yourself.

50:39

People can help you.

50:40

So don't be ashamed, don't be embarrassed.

50:42

Like we all go through it. We all have some

50:44

level of mental something that we're dealing with. So

50:47

don't be ashamed it. Don't be embarrassed because it's nothing to

50:49

be ashamed or embarrassed about.

50:51

Start open your mouth. I love that. I

50:53

was good. I just never really loved that. We'll

50:55

be back in a minute.

51:00

I want to know what made you want

51:02

to write your book, so

51:05

that innovation behind that.

51:07

So they came to me, that publishing company came

51:09

to me and my mom before about writing a book,

51:11

and I was like, because I

51:13

put that book out nineteen They came

51:15

to me in seventeen.

51:17

I was like, what am

51:19

I going to talk about?

51:20

Talk about Michigan, what I did in the NFL and

51:22

double speeding tickets and kids.

51:26

And also I didn't like the space I was in. Yeah,

51:29

you're still in that escape. It

51:31

was ending, but I still was

51:34

there. So I was like, the

51:36

book isn't complete. Like if I write a book,

51:38

it does book has to have a beginning and middle,

51:40

and then like this book would have had a beginning

51:43

and it would have had a middle, and so

51:46

I didn't.

51:46

I was it serves no purpose.

51:49

Fast forward, finish my degree,

51:52

start working again, start doing some good things,

51:54

start feeling good, start working in space and mental health.

51:56

And they came back to me again about writing the book.

51:58

I said, yeah, let's do it.

52:00

Let's do it. I said.

52:01

Also, I talked to a couple people that written books and they said,

52:03

b real, it's therapeutic. They

52:06

said, it's therapeutic, and so I said,

52:08

all right, I'm down for some therapy.

52:10

Yeah. Man, I got to writing that book. I cried

52:13

some of it.

52:14

It was beautiful because you realize you

52:16

blame yourself sometimes for a lot of things

52:18

that aren't your fault.

52:19

You realize a lot of times you blame other people,

52:22

the stuff is your fault.

52:23

So it allowed me a chance to, like

52:26

men's some fences with friends,

52:28

allow me men some fences with myself,

52:31

and be able to really look at myself

52:33

again, all right, feel good about this,

52:36

and talk to people.

52:36

So it was fun. And I chose that because I love

52:38

Frank Sinatra.

52:39

So I mean, it's doing it my way, like I did

52:41

it my way, like like you said in that club, I'm

52:44

always do.

52:44

It my way. Yeah, on my own

52:46

terms.

52:47

But it was very Therapeuty

52:49

allowed me to deal some stuff for my childhood in terms

52:51

of when we moved to Georgia.

52:54

Like I'm a city boy. We moved to a country

52:56

area.

52:57

Everybody was two years old, two years older than

52:59

me, and all these boys grew up together. So when

53:02

I get down there, I'm six, get my ass

53:04

with two years jumping.

53:06

I got jumped. I was small, I was.

53:07

You know, beat me up to play baseball at

53:09

first, So I had to deal with that. I never looked

53:12

back on that til I wrote the book. I start

53:14

writing a book, and I'm like, Dann, I wonder what happened. I

53:16

got six three and I'm in the gym and I'm just lifting

53:18

like out of control, like I'm

53:21

trying to be prepared for that moment.

53:23

Again, I think that's what happened at the Why that

53:26

day. That's how you saw that,

53:29

and it just went back to that moment. So writing that

53:31

book let me get in touch with some

53:34

things. I think I bottled up and never

53:36

even knew.

53:37

I mean, that's crazy because

53:41

I didn't know y'all was gonna do this to me. Man, Man,

53:44

I mean, I'm just listening here. I

53:46

have something I want to go to.

53:47

But what you just said so important

53:49

because you know, my wife has

53:52

talked to me about dealing with some of her

53:54

child childhood issues or childhood.

53:56

Traumas likes to call it.

53:58

And so how a lot of times

54:00

when you deal with childhood trauma, like you bottle

54:02

up and like you don't.

54:03

Even address it.

54:04

It's yeah, you don't, it's

54:06

not even you didn't have to, didn't

54:09

even happen until all of a sudden you rehash

54:11

it, and then all of a sudden, these emotions

54:13

and all these things happen and you don't know where it came

54:15

from. And then all of a sudden, you

54:18

know, you look back on this book that you're writing. It's

54:20

like, dude, all these things lean back to.

54:23

This, and so is

54:25

it being able to say that now

54:28

did you think you'd ever get to this place when you were like

54:30

twenty fifteen sixteen, when you were running,

54:33

like where now you're able to just sit up here and

54:35

be so open and candle with us, because not everybody,

54:38

like you said, a lot of people get on these things and.

54:40

Try and lie and sugarcoat.

54:41

You're like, nah, is this

54:44

this is where I'm at?

54:45

I know because I'm still in that escape

54:47

as a mindset, like my dream,

54:49

which I'm in a better place, I still have

54:51

this dream. But to a certain extent, my dream

54:53

was to leave the country and go to the islands,

54:56

like I'm not just out there, yeah, just like living islands

54:59

man, like open up a sport, borrow on the beach, man just

55:01

just chill kind of like bad send Billy,

55:05

Bob Thornton.

55:06

But that was it. But it was still that escapeism.

55:09

I was right still trying to get away because I feel like, all right,

55:11

cool, you know what if I leave, if I go over here to the

55:13

islands and chill, like I don't have to deal with whatever

55:15

the past was, Like I could leave everything in the past,

55:17

and I could leave it stateside as

55:19

they say, But like,

55:22

yeah, that was to be that then,

55:25

and to be on this podcast with you guys man

55:27

brothers in arms and just having its

55:29

talking it out like it's

55:31

the long journey here, journey's not done.

55:33

But I love it though.

55:35

Like you, I

55:37

know, Peanuts got one last question for him to get

55:39

this out.

55:40

Uh, how does it tell me.

55:41

About being the voice of Detroit

55:44

sports radio talk man?

55:47

From the voice but the chosen

55:49

one.

55:50

Yeah, I appreciate it about you homegrown brog

55:53

man.

55:53

I love it and I appreciate it. I was just with Jerome Betta

55:55

last night and two seconds ago he was down there at the Detroit

55:59

It's Big bro with to McKenzie High School. He

56:01

ran me over one time. He ain't the only

56:03

one. He's got a bunch of

56:05

people in the Hall of Fame bus tour. But

56:07

uh, I just love being from

56:09

the city man. Like a lot of black people that have voices on

56:11

the radio and sports airways, you know what I'm saying.

56:13

We shout out to to Terry

56:16

Foster, who is one of the first

56:18

ones, Drew Sharp.

56:20

Those guys kind of set the tone.

56:22

But now to be able to have this space, have his voice

56:25

say what I want to say, as long as I'm backing it up

56:27

with some research, long as I'm backing up with some uh,

56:29

some actual facts mixed in with the

56:31

opinions.

56:32

It was good because it feels like the city listens.

56:35

I think even when they don't like, when

56:37

they disagree, they still listen to

56:39

me and give me a chance.

56:40

So I love it. Man. I'm from the city, born and raised.

56:42

Three on three? What up though? What

56:45

up? Deugh? What

56:49

up? Deugh? Well,

56:52

my I got a simple fun question for you.

56:54

Thank you all this other Yeah, yeah, well,

56:57

let me just say this. I appreciate you being vulnerable

57:00

like it's it's some people can't

57:03

do that.

57:03

I think that's just growth.

57:06

Friend.

57:06

It shows the growth that you've come,

57:09

how much growth you've grown since then, you

57:11

know.

57:12

So I appreciate you guys married, correct, Yeah,

57:15

good women will do that. I'll just say that.

57:17

Yeah, I gotta I gotta go. I'm

57:19

not married yet, but she is. She's

57:22

the last boss, as they say in video games.

57:24

Okay, yeah, yeah, they're usually

57:26

the toughest ones. Just know that.

57:31

I call yeah

57:33

Mount Rushmore. Right, You've had a successful

57:36

life you know, some good, some bad. Who

57:38

are the four people on your personal Mount Rushmore

57:41

that has helped you become

57:43

who you are today?

57:45

Mom is not one, two, three,

57:47

or four? But uh my

57:49

mom? Yeah, my

57:52

stepfather why

57:57

so my dad has always been around Like I was just with my dad

57:59

last night played in the NFL. We talked about great

58:01

guy. But my dad was always it

58:04

was like sports. Like with my

58:06

stepfather. He came in at an early age as well,

58:08

and it just was everything you know,

58:10

and it was academics,

58:12

it was how you feeling.

58:14

It was this is how you tie this tie,

58:16

this is that.

58:17

So it was when you come more well rounded, and

58:21

the care was always there, you know what I'm

58:23

saying. So, uh, I

58:25

wouldn't be who I was to dead for my stuff

58:27

and my father as well. Yeah, uh

58:30

stepfather, father it

58:32

is three. My

58:34

grandmother yeah, my

58:37

grandmother, my grandmother before my

58:39

grandma.

58:40

Yeah, I'm saying why why grandma?

58:43

Grandma always made me feel special, but

58:45

she never she never sugarcoated

58:48

anything.

58:48

And my grandma wasn't like, oh

58:50

that's my baby, that's just my baby. Grandma.

58:53

She beat your ass if you if you need it, like

58:55

she don't do that now I know your mama

58:57

said this, but this was going on. Like when I stayed to

58:59

Grandma's. It was fun, but it also

59:02

was you know, he's gonna get this discipline because

59:04

my mom wouldn't whoop me until

59:06

my stepdad came with log. But

59:10

Grandma was spiritually like devoted

59:13

to like I never like everything

59:15

she dealt with. I looked at her childhood. You know, she had

59:17

five kids. She had five kids by the age of twenty

59:19

three. Ford it he father.

59:22

My Mom's gonna kill me for putting that out there. But everything

59:25

that she went through at that age, you know, she

59:27

got into church later and she just kept

59:30

trucking. She kept trucking. She kept trucking.

59:32

She kept being the matriarch for our family.

59:34

You know, she kept us strong, she kept us together. Whenever

59:36

I would like I feel like I was going through

59:38

something high school, I go to Grandma's house.

59:40

We pray, we cook man and you know, I'd

59:42

be good. Same thing in college.

59:44

And I noticed in the NFL when I started

59:47

messing up, when I stopped picking

59:49

up Grandma's phone call when she was trying to pray for

59:51

me in the off season. When I'm coming home,

59:54

I'm like coming home to come downtown

59:56

and hang out. But I'm not stopping by Grandma's

59:58

house. So that connection

1:00:01

that my grandma and I have, like I

1:00:03

just get these moments, let.

1:00:04

Me call Grandma, should tell me, hey, don't you know

1:00:06

I got in the car? Actually I was.

1:00:07

I knew it. Like our connection is

1:00:10

like that. So that's why Grandma. I

1:00:12

like that over rub my hand and.

1:00:14

Nervous tell no, hey

1:00:16

man, I like that

1:00:18

though, the openness, the vulnerability. I think

1:00:20

it takes a special person to

1:00:23

be courageous and be strong enough to

1:00:25

share all those personal stories with us.

1:00:27

And I appreciate that. I know Rome

1:00:29

does. Thank you for blessing us. Appreciate you, guys, man,

1:00:31

your presence.

1:00:32

And your energy and the stories. Man, this was

1:00:34

This was dope and I hope to do it

1:00:36

again. And I wish you nothing but success,

1:00:39

and you know, post post football

1:00:41

career, and I love that you're back home,

1:00:44

homegrown, being

1:00:46

the voice of this great state.

1:00:48

I don't think I ever beat either one of you, guys. I

1:00:50

was just thinking that.

1:00:51

I've been thinking this the whole hour we've been talking.

1:00:53

I'm like, I don't think I ever

1:00:55

beat the Saint No.

1:00:57

And I know for a fact, so I

1:00:59

got a I got a quick thirty second story when

1:01:02

so y'all played us, Yeah, no,

1:01:04

no, no Jets, the Jets, the snowblzard

1:01:07

y'all played us. There, we got stuck and

1:01:11

we were on the end zone. It was it was a goal line play.

1:01:14

Sin said, he threw you the ball. I

1:01:18

was why I should have scored. I don't know how,

1:01:21

and I'll try to find it later, but I don't

1:01:23

know how. It's like I dove for it, but

1:01:25

I think my foot kicked it or something, and

1:01:27

I caught it like you called it,

1:01:30

and I'm just like and I remember and I looked

1:01:32

back, was like how, oh

1:01:34

my god.

1:01:35

This was so mad. We still lost that game.

1:01:36

I think Santonio scored in that game, but

1:01:39

we still I was pissed on that play. You know why

1:01:41

is when I saw the replay, so I

1:01:43

guess I thought you were going to get the interception. So

1:01:45

I kind of was like, oh, Peter

1:01:47

about to pick it up, and it got through them and I

1:01:49

caught it like this. When you look behind me,

1:01:52

there's nobody but the end zone. So like

1:01:54

I'm looking like I'm doing.

1:01:56

Like this peanuts on the ground right

1:01:58

here. I can't remember who was literally

1:02:01

they were over there. It's nothing but ends

1:02:03

on if I would have just fell back.

1:02:05

Yeah, but I was so like called up guard by catching

1:02:07

the pass. A lot of everybody come back, I.

1:02:10

Know exactly, Oh my god, and

1:02:12

get back up there. I've never scored a social field,

1:02:14

so I was. I'm still pissed about that. It

1:02:16

took a touchdown away from me when I was in Seattle. Yeah,

1:02:19

never turned that one. That one, that one hurt me.

1:02:21

That would have been like one of the few

1:02:23

picks that I dropped to get me to forty. I was

1:02:25

like, I finished, No,

1:02:28

I finished with thirty eight. I would have been the only

1:02:30

would have been only. I call it the forty forty

1:02:32

club forty forty and forty fourth fumbles.

1:02:35

That's that forty fourth fumbers. Wow. Wow,

1:02:37

don't you know? I guess we I

1:02:39

make this thirty second? Don't you know?

1:02:41

Every team I ever played on, Like when

1:02:43

you're playing against the Chicago Bears, you ain't know what

1:02:45

story was talking about all week in practice,

1:02:49

all week in practice, the punch all

1:02:51

week in practice. You gotta walking around all the football

1:02:53

like doing the halls, like doing practice,

1:02:55

and they just try to punch it out if you get it punched

1:02:57

out. Different fees, different teams

1:03:00

did different stuff, but they preach. They preached

1:03:02

he's.

1:03:03

Gonna punch it out. He's gonna

1:03:05

punch it out for.

1:03:06

Four pressures or five points, for five

1:03:08

points of the ball. It didn't matter with you.

1:03:11

You can be like, this.

1:03:12

Will still go out. Tom Payton said, I

1:03:14

don't even want yack this week. Get

1:03:17

down. I don't even want it. I'll call

1:03:20

it better play. If I want more yards, I'll call

1:03:22

it better I don't even want yea. So uh,

1:03:25

you definitely affected the game that way, brailor

1:03:27

man.

1:03:27

Appreciate you. Man. Next time

1:03:30

the weather's better, we need to golf. Say,

1:03:32

let's all right, I heard you. I

1:03:34

heard pickle ball. Get golf to play

1:03:36

tickle ball. There it is I water

1:03:38

polo, Me

1:03:40

too, Me too, waiting

1:03:43

man, let's get up out here. Man.

1:03:44

Thank you as always for our viewers, our listeners.

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up your podcast with the Apple Podcast. iHeartRadio

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app Man, thank you so much, Brailor Man, you

1:04:04

are awesome.

1:04:06

Dude, you were awesome. Man.

1:04:07

You definitely uh man, it's something

1:04:10

to be said about somebody. I thought I came in with great

1:04:12

expectations and you over delivered.

1:04:14

So thank you for that. Man, great job. Appreciate

1:04:16

your brothers. Hey, I'm Peanut. That's Brailan.

1:04:18

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himself. You know this is the most Roman Roman

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