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0:04

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0:06

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one super Bowl champion.

1:01

He is a part of the infamous No

1:04

Fly Zone defense.

1:06

He is an undrafted guy. He

1:08

was he made the All Decade twenty ten

1:10

team.

1:11

Uh.

1:11

He's from Kansas. He's an entrepreneur.

1:13

Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome

1:15

Chris Harris Junior to the

1:18

podcast.

1:21

You know, I've gotta be honest. You know, that was pretty good.

1:23

You never he hasn't really done that for a lot of our

1:25

guests, so that was good.

1:26

I got a gat. I'm feeling the energy right now. It's love.

1:28

It's all love.

1:29

Like I did my yoga this morning. I got my

1:31

tea right here. It's I'm feeling it right now.

1:34

dB. Love to be love too. That's

1:36

it. That's true.

1:37

That's true. I mean, I'm with it. He

1:39

said, you're from Kansas, but you're from Oklahoma.

1:41

Yeah. Well he went to Kansas, which is

1:43

cool to you.

1:44

That's why I want to get to Yeah, and

1:46

you started all four years.

1:47

Yeah. Yeah, I went in KU.

1:50

You know they they had to leave at

1:52

one corner and.

1:53

He was he on, like your recruit visit. I want to know if

1:55

recruit visit to Kansas that he

1:57

wouldn't.

1:57

Man. When I went on my visit

2:00

the KU, I was probably I didn't have

2:02

any offers until probably basketball

2:04

season really really more basketball.

2:07

Yeah, okay, so I had more basketball offers

2:09

first, and.

2:10

That was not in the bio. Yeah. Yeah, people

2:12

don't know that I got out of store, see

2:14

that.

2:15

So, man, Gino came to our basketball practice

2:17

and that's when I got offered. And then during

2:19

this it was like a dead season. Nobody was on campus

2:21

at that time. Yeah, so I went. I kind

2:23

of went like a sneaky visit when nobody was up

2:26

there. It was probably like a couple of players that from Kansas

2:28

that had me on the video.

2:30

Yeah.

2:30

I didn't see to leave until I got until I pulled up

2:32

the campus. But

2:35

it was just you know, it was just a great spot for

2:37

me be able to go and play early and

2:39

play in All Americans because he was All American

2:41

at the time and in his senior

2:43

year. So it was just a great opportunity

2:46

to go up there and compete.

2:47

So what made you choose football over basketball? You always

2:49

knew you were a football guy.

2:51

Oh, Man, I just knew I wasn't growing.

2:55

Yeah, man, I wasn't growing as much as everybody

2:57

else.

2:58

You know.

2:59

You see you see the point guards, You're not too

3:01

many five eleven point guards.

3:03

So I just thought football would

3:05

be my best way to go.

3:06

And I never really played corner

3:08

until I got to college. So seriously, yeah,

3:10

so I didn't know if I was gonna play what

3:12

position in college? You know, So coaches

3:15

just like, we'll just find you by the defense athlete

3:17

he be, and and that's pretty

3:19

much how. I just went in there and just went in there and started

3:22

that corner.

3:22

That's that's what's up. So what

3:24

did you play in high school? Was it confused?

3:27

I just played safety, man, I just was like a free

3:29

just wrong, you know, and just

3:31

go back, go find the ball.

3:33

You know, Hey,

3:35

it worked out? This is a true Is

3:37

it worked out? How this is? I

3:39

don't know how that happens.

3:40

Like I'm not only have football scholarship,

3:43

I'm playing basketball. They see me,

3:45

Hey, look, we just gonna find you a spot out here, athlete.

3:48

For you specifically?

3:50

Does it ever get tiring of you

3:52

being asked about being the undrafted

3:55

free agent guy that made it bah blah

3:57

blah, or are you just like, hey,

3:59

look, I'm just this football player that made

4:01

it, probably broke through some odds, but this

4:03

is who I am and this is who I be. But you

4:05

after hearing your high school story, I'm sure you don't.

4:08

Oh man, it's just uh, it's just part

4:10

of my journey, you know, especially within the NFL

4:12

circle. You know, a lot of guys know how I

4:14

came in the league.

4:16

You know, I think I had.

4:17

I had one of the lowest signing moments two thousand

4:19

you know, one of the last guys picked up on our

4:21

team.

4:22

Sorry to Laught, Sorry Laught. You know that's

4:24

how we do, Ricky. Yeah, you gotta come

4:26

out there. You got to stand up.

4:28

On that chair.

4:29

Two thousand dollars, Cansas University.

4:32

The clown had

4:35

some good vets, you know.

4:37

I had Dawkins, yeah, champ

4:39

Uh, you know, Boomerville, DJ

4:41

Williams, Yeah, yeah, a lot of good

4:43

vets.

4:43

So Hall of famers, Yeah, a lot of good vets.

4:45

Man.

4:46

So they didn't really clown me too much. They kind of took

4:48

me in, you know, couldn't have took care of me like a.

4:50

Little like a little little brother man, because they

4:52

know you ain't had no bread, champions, no money.

4:55

Come on, take care of him,

4:57

man, So he had tons of money, take

5:00

care of.

5:01

I like that. I like that.

5:03

So are you officially done with

5:06

football? And what are you keeping

5:08

busy with? Now outside of some other things, we'll go in.

5:10

Well, I wanted to kind of stay I

5:12

wanted to stay in shape and stay ready to go last

5:15

year just in case, because I felt like the year

5:17

before, even with New Orleans, I still play solid.

5:19

I thought I would be able to get picked up places safety

5:23

or Nickel.

5:23

I don't be like Jackson Kareem

5:26

Jackson. Yeah, I didn't even get a chance to do that.

5:27

You know, and I'm probably one of the top tacklers

5:30

in my era go back and look. But

5:33

it's just, you know, just not having the opportunity. That

5:35

was probably one thing I was probably regretting, not

5:37

being able to play safety a little bit like

5:39

a Ryan Day getting a chancefer from Nick you

5:41

know what I mean. I didn't get that opportunity.

5:43

A lot of cats got to steal like four or five years off

5:45

of that. Yeah, I didn't get a chance like straight

5:47

twelve years straight corner, you know what I mean.

5:51

Yeah, I

5:53

think I could have played safety, but my knees couldn't

5:56

let me. That is interesting. So how

5:58

many corners do you guys think? Both you guys,

6:01

how many corners? Looking like you know, when I'm

6:03

done playing corner, I want

6:05

to transition and play safety.

6:06

It's a few years in. Rod Woodson he

6:08

was the first to do it.

6:09

That I.

6:11

First, Rod Woodson, Charles

6:14

Charles, Charles Woodson did it?

6:16

Did it?

6:17

Kareem Jackson's doing it currently? Yep,

6:20

ma am I drawing a blank. Southern Hall

6:23

of Fame aneas

6:25

Williams's Williams, heang,

6:28

it's killing me. Would you count Winfield

6:31

and he played Nickel more,

6:33

I wouldn't say he played safety though, but.

6:35

Does Nickel Grande? I mean Ronde

6:38

is another one too, Yeah, Ronne.

6:40

I just wanted to know, like from a cornerback's perspective,

6:42

who, like, do you guys actually think about

6:44

these things? I never thought about it, I mean, because you

6:47

don't get to go from safety.

6:48

To the corner.

6:48

So I said it when I played, But

6:51

looking back on it now, if given the opportunity,

6:53

if if it would have gotten me another

6:55

year or two, I definitely would have played safety

6:57

for sure.

6:58

Yeah, definitely.

6:59

I mean I thought for sure I was gonna go

7:01

play safety, you know, just being

7:04

able to have the football, IQ,

7:06

being able to tackle in space, understand

7:09

the game, I thought i'd be It would be a smooth

7:12

transition to safety, you know, but you

7:14

know, just the way it is.

7:15

You know how the league is now. They're getting more of the veterans

7:17

out.

7:17

If you look at it, look at the free agent

7:19

list, it's all vents, you know something. So

7:22

that's just the way the NFL is going right now. And

7:25

that's just probably my only regret. But I

7:27

had a hell of a time at Corner, you know, yeah,

7:29

playing a great year. He had a great career, kind

7:33

of kind of reforming the nickel

7:35

right, because in

7:38

my air, I would say

7:40

it wasn't too me Nicholas playing straight man. Say

7:42

hey, coach, you can play couple one all day in the nickel

7:45

and have this guy covered these guys, you know, Ron

7:48

Day and them was more of a there

7:50

was a zone zone, vision

7:52

break, things like that. So I

7:54

didn't really get to do that too much in my career. That's

7:56

probably another thing I regret. Like Petera got to see

7:59

the ball a lot, you know.

8:00

Yeah, he got I totally agree with you.

8:02

I played going from a man to man scheme for

8:04

a majority of my career, then all of a sudden going to his own

8:06

teams, Like man, I didn't know it was so much

8:08

easier. It just feels so much more comfortab

8:10

when you got to see the ball and it

8:12

slows down because you see more, you get

8:15

more information, You get a ton

8:17

of information. So people

8:19

you used to always talk about how coverage are y'all

8:21

just a curve of two team? We might be,

8:24

but I guarantee you you ain't gonna play cover

8:26

two like we played, because it's gonna give us picks

8:28

forrest fumbles, take ways forst fumbles,

8:30

take ways we.

8:31

Off the fill on third down.

8:33

Rod Mayor Nell used to always say, if you can, we

8:35

used to do nine on seven cover

8:38

two.

8:38

Every time.

8:39

He was like, if you can play cover two and stop

8:41

the run and stop the run, you can stop

8:44

anybody. And we just hey, I'm tell

8:46

you the call curve two. Hey, y'all, guess what

8:48

the call is? Curver two. And that

8:50

was how we ran the defense. And so it

8:52

was a bonus when you played Cover one or Cover four

8:54

or whatever else. You know your bliss, You

8:56

got what's the corner opposite of you.

8:58

Because he was always one of the guys I always

9:00

looked up to him.

9:00

Tim Jennings Jennings, Yeah, a little

9:03

short guy, Georgia.

9:04

Yeah, you didn't have to lead off with a little short

9:06

guys. You have to.

9:10

Well that was our relationship because he was a

9:12

little like a little short guy.

9:13

He is shorter though, Tim is short. I

9:15

know Tim. It's

9:17

love Tim, you know I love you. Bro shout out

9:20

them had boss skills. Man, Why

9:22

you call him out like that? Man, I

9:24

called about you just said

9:26

it, you know what. I tried to just fly

9:28

under the radar like he did when he.

9:30

Was like, oh yeah, so you know I own a couple of Nike

9:32

houses, Nake warehouses.

9:34

Oh yeah, I got some real estate. So let's

9:37

let's dive into that.

9:38

Uh how do you get in the Nike owning

9:40

a Nike warehouse? We were talking about this earlier

9:43

and like that's just not your normal real estate.

9:46

Yeah, man, I got into it early.

9:48

You know early, man, my team was able

9:50

to find some great opportunity

9:52

to be able to get in and be able.

9:53

To get some warehouses.

9:54

Really it's it's it's pretty much they hold all their

9:57

stuff there, and right I get

9:59

to hold the hold the building, you know, make sure everything's

10:01

good, make sure everything is disputed

10:04

shipped out right. And man, that

10:07

we probably my financial of Isa

10:09

Mark Quay, he probably got me hooked up in that

10:11

one. Probably like twenty sixteen

10:13

after the Super Bowl. Yeah, and just being able to hop

10:16

in on those being able to get land.

10:18

I got tons of land in Oklahoma and

10:20

take a lot of man

10:22

it is and now they're they really

10:25

rebuilding a lot of it, right because you

10:27

know, we had that toss up Massac in nineteen

10:30

hundreds, right, trying to bring that back.

10:32

So yeah, so I got a lot

10:35

of land into that. So hopefully

10:37

we'll be able to develop some new things

10:39

for our people down There'll be able to help that

10:41

grow. But it's just you know, with

10:44

me, it's just been taking my time, you know, just taking

10:46

my time finding the right things.

10:49

You want to find the right partners in every situation

10:52

because that's when bad deals and things happen.

10:54

Right.

10:54

I never was the person. I always had to learn

10:56

because you know, I came to the league with two thousand dollars coming

10:59

up. I didn't come in

11:01

the league with twenty million dollars sign upon

11:03

this.

11:03

You know, I call that you're the guy who's you're not

11:06

from the lucky financial sperm bank.

11:08

So yeah, yeah, So I had to learn how to budget,

11:11

had to manage my money, had to be able

11:13

to say no, you know, at a fast

11:16

at a fast pace because I

11:18

didn't have it, Like nobody could just call

11:20

me Chris, give me, send me some money. I'm like,

11:22

I'm undrafted, y'all see what I got. So it

11:25

kind of helped me in that way too, but

11:27

it really helped me down into the line now

11:29

where I'm about to be. I'm done now, I'm

11:32

a year out now, so now I kind

11:34

of have a little bit more establishment.

11:36

Yes, for those that don't know, and y'all you listening,

11:39

got to learn to say no and what saying no means.

11:43

Any family member, relative, cousin,

11:45

best.

11:46

Friend, someone you went to high school, grade

11:48

school, you gotta tell him no because at

11:50

some point in time, if you're the guy that says,

11:53

you know what, he.

11:54

Would never do that, she would never do that, you're

11:56

wrong.

11:57

Somebody, At some moment in time, somebody's

11:59

gonna ask you for some money.

12:00

Quick question.

12:01

I want to follow with what's been your favorite business

12:03

venture since getting

12:06

to real estate?

12:07

In business? What's been your favorite one? Like, man, this

12:09

is this is really cool, It is really fun. Like what man? Just

12:12

getting the land? Man?

12:13

Okay, I think yeah, getting land

12:15

that my people's had lost, you know, over

12:18

just not being able to read simple things

12:20

like that. So being able to get that

12:22

back put the horses and stuff on there.

12:24

You know, that's been the funnest part right

12:26

there. That's dope be to

12:29

just rebuy the stuff back from yeah

12:31

loss. So now that's the whole generational

12:33

wolf.

12:33

And you can just pass it on in kids, grandkids,

12:36

yeah, uncles, cousins, whoever.

12:38

So you keep it all in the family.

12:40

How important would it be though, because you talked about

12:42

how they lost it, and so as

12:44

you want to get this back

12:47

and then keep it in your family to make sure they

12:49

understand how they lost it, and

12:51

so making sure you're having that conversation.

12:53

How important of a piece is that because you talked

12:56

about how.

12:56

You and your financial player, financial

12:58

advisor, you know, you guys some really smart

13:00

decisions and things that he's you know, pushed

13:02

you into and you've got to learn so much about

13:05

these things. How important is it

13:07

going forward to make sure that your next generation

13:09

of your children or your children's children

13:12

understand what all this intels.

13:14

And that's a key thing because you know, they grow up,

13:16

key thing, because you know they grow up. They didn't

13:18

grow up how we grew up. You have a group you

13:20

know, our kids are privileged. Their privileged

13:22

kids, private school kids. Yeah.

13:25

Yeah, with the Wi Fi baby.

13:27

Yeah, you know, I

13:29

passed early. You know, just

13:33

taking them back there, let them see it. Taking

13:35

them when I have events, uh you know, for

13:39

for homeless or anything like that, for community

13:41

events, taking them there with me. Let them put

13:43

in the work too, you know, and letting

13:45

them see things. You know, if

13:47

old are your kids, man, I have a I have

13:50

five kids who I have a nine to seven

13:53

five for and

13:56

uh.

13:56

One okay, came forget the one

13:58

came to get.

13:59

The one that's but yeah,

14:02

you know, just showing and they all girls. So

14:04

I try to take them girl dad okay, Yeah, So I try

14:07

to take them to the events and things like that. When we're

14:09

doing uh my wife's done that. She's doing

14:11

a great job just helping them develop them and

14:13

be women. Know, like hey, when I take them

14:15

there and letting them know, like this whole area,

14:18

all these lands was y'all was our

14:20

land at one point, right,

14:22

So just letting them know because we have a we have

14:24

our own family cemetery things like that.

14:27

Wow, it was just our own just my

14:29

family, just our family.

14:30

You got those deep Oklahoma, Yeah,

14:33

yeah, yeah, Yeah.

14:35

I think it's so cute cool that you

14:38

make sure you maintained by taking them back. My you

14:40

know, my dad's from the middle of nowhere, Alabama

14:42

and they call it like the black Belt. So every

14:44

time we've gone back, it's kind of similar what you're

14:46

saying. He's like, he's shown my kids where

14:49

like his great grandfather was buried, yeah,

14:51

in the cemetery, and like, oh, this is his uncle

14:53

and this is a brother that died when he was very

14:56

young, and just kind of making sure you

14:58

know all these things to be able to pay it forward and

15:00

that you you don't just kind

15:02

of just just kind of skip over these things.

15:04

I think it's very important that you continue to let your kids

15:07

and your daughters know all that stuff. Really cool

15:09

that your wife continued to support you too. I've

15:11

I've read a little bit on her too, and we'll get

15:13

into that. What's the name of the show on the Paramount

15:15

with Kevin Costner and he's got the

15:17

big ranch in Montana.

15:21

Yellowstone Yellowstone.

15:22

Yeah, you like the black version of Yellowstone, Like you keep

15:24

it in this family, keeping it all in.

15:27

I like that. That's that's what's up. That's what's up.

15:29

Yeah, we'll be back in a minute,

15:33

all right, So let.

15:33

Me let me pivot and change it real quick. So this

15:36

is our first time meeting. We played

15:38

against each other super Bowl fifty Now

15:41

after all these years.

15:43

Do you still hold true to what

15:45

you said?

15:46

You know, after the postgame, the postgame

15:48

interviews, you were saying some words. I don't

15:50

think you were talking trash or anything like that. You were just speaking,

15:52

you know.

15:53

He was telling them about their game. People, was just telling about the game

15:55

playing.

15:55

Yeah, And I think Cam might have got a

15:57

little salty about it because

16:00

the way the the way the setup

16:02

was your I guess your section was

16:05

like right literally right next to his. It

16:07

was behind the bad setup, back

16:09

to back with just a little sheet

16:12

in between.

16:12

And nobody knows that who's on the other side.

16:14

That was a bad set up, and he had he had heard

16:16

it, and I'm pretty sure he felt some type of way,

16:18

and then he ended up walking on stage like this.

16:20

Do you still you still hold true to how

16:22

you felt and what you said and how that

16:24

whole thing carried out or played out.

16:26

I never knew it was, honestly, I never knew

16:28

Camp was on the other side.

16:29

Yeah, So I was just talking mess you know, yeah,

16:31

which you should. Yeah, you know that was

16:33

the game plan. Yeah, it's it was

16:36

a good game. Heat, I hate to say it, bring the heat.

16:39

They always kind of always what

16:42

do you call it, have chippers in the back. They always

16:44

had extra blockers in the back of the camp play

16:46

action, extra blockers for camp, try to

16:48

get funtions Brown and take again on

16:51

space one on one routes. Right, So when

16:53

they did that, we would just bring the linebackers

16:56

late. Just keep bringing them late, non stop,

16:58

just keep bringing them late. And we know Cam

17:00

likes to hold the ball a little bit longer. Yeah, so

17:03

we just late delayed, blitz them all games,

17:05

play man the man press, get up

17:07

in them and we felt like but like me, Roby

17:09

and to leave could cover Tech Gang, Funches

17:12

and Brown and Olsen

17:14

And that was the game plan, you know, and

17:17

sick them dogs on them, sick d where

17:19

von Malik Jackson.

17:21

I was so mad that game because we was

17:23

what seventeen and one at that point,

17:26

you know, I would I want to know Chris's

17:29

opinion because I

17:31

know you guys won the game, but if we played

17:33

ten times, how many times do you guys beat that team?

17:37

And I didn't even play that game.

17:40

I would say, depending on okay,

17:42

is Peyton gonna be healthy?

17:44

Because he was not healthy. Was not what I'm saying.

17:46

He was not healthy. He was he couldn't throw the ball thirty

17:48

yards. So if we got a healthy Peyton

17:50

many I don't know.

17:52

I'm just saying, like, and we can't play

17:54

all in Denver too. I watched

17:56

We're not playing all in Denver. I go back there,

17:59

I go back and I look at that game.

18:01

Number one, you guys out played us all

18:03

right. Number two, I thought you guys out coached

18:05

us, and we're better prepared for all the situations.

18:08

You guys made adjustments better than we did. I

18:10

give you all the credit for winning the game. But I

18:12

look up and I still like, there's

18:14

no way that team was better than our team. I don't

18:17

care if Brock Oswald or Peyton man it was playing

18:19

quarterback.

18:20

It was just so.

18:22

Brandon was like, but that kind of lets you know exactly

18:24

the team that plays the best that day is the one that wins.

18:27

And these guys, you guys played better

18:29

period, and so but I look back

18:31

and I'm like, I think if we played them ten times,

18:33

they may win three.

18:35

We felt like our defense is the best. It was.

18:37

You guys definitely balled. We felt like it

18:39

wasn't nobody.

18:40

We had already seen the gutlet like, we've

18:42

already seen big being. Then we

18:44

had to see Tom Brady and the ain't

18:46

going to see We wasn't really scared of Cam at

18:48

all, right, because we had already seen Tom

18:51

Brady was the man. So if we got past Tom

18:53

Brady and Gronk, we f like, oh no, ain't

18:56

nobody beating us?

18:57

Right.

18:57

The first Super Bowl that we had, we

18:59

had twelve starters on defense that didn't

19:01

play against Seattle. That people forget

19:04

about that, right, Me and Van

19:06

didn't play a lot of a lot of a

19:08

lot of our defensive starters didn't play in that game.

19:10

So we wanted. We was hungry to get to that second

19:12

one. And it was a long

19:15

If people go back and look at that season, right,

19:18

a lot of our mishaps happened because Peyton, you know,

19:20

pay no doubt, he was hurt. You know,

19:22

we had to bring in broad Bracket did a solid

19:25

job coming in, but that was the main issue

19:27

was is Peyton gonna be healthy?

19:30

Right? So we got them healthy enough at

19:32

the end to be able to ride that wave.

19:34

At no doubt we knew that defense, Yes,

19:36

we knew that defense was gonna carry us there, and

19:39

we felt like we was nobody could touch us on defense.

19:42

That sounded like Chicago. We was always talking

19:44

about the defense. You know, love Smith will come

19:46

in games and say, I remember

19:48

when Pep first got to Pep, when we got

19:50

Pep from Charlotte. We're playing

19:52

the game or was game week, and Lovely

19:55

Smith comes in the defensive meeting room and he goes,

19:57

all right, defense, we got

19:59

to score two to and then

20:01

he leaves and then Pep goes,

20:04

hey, Yo, what are you talking bout?

20:06

Yo?

20:07

What about the offense? I was like, won't

20:09

care about the offense. We gotta score points on defense,

20:12

and if we score points, will win. That's the Chicago

20:14

man, that's just the Marnins the main way, that's what we do. And

20:16

he was so intrigued by that, but he was also mad.

20:18

He was like, but they paid him money

20:21

though they got us score points. But

20:23

that was just the mindset of how we were in Chicago.

20:26

It was just like, no, it's it's a defensive city.

20:28

We're defense first. We don't care about offenses.

20:30

We got to get these points and it

20:33

carried over.

20:33

Well. They scored that game too, so yeah, I

20:36

give you guys credit. You guys scored.

20:38

You did score twice. There

20:40

it is. It's dam He just

20:42

stuck that key and.

20:43

Just Cam fumbled. They

20:45

Ward could have picked it up and scored. We could have had two

20:47

touchdowns.

20:48

Yeah, because he got it on like the three of the four ight

20:50

as well have been a defensive touchdown yea, I forgot.

20:52

About that one.

20:53

Yeah, and they did score before that, So

20:56

I think your defense actually outscored our

20:58

offense that game.

20:59

MA think we had like three or four Yeah,

21:02

three or four turnovers for sure. Yeah, let's switch the subject.

21:05

Switch the not mad. I'm not mad.

21:07

Y'all had a great defense too, Like the Panthers

21:10

was like one or two. Y'all were right there. What is y'all

21:12

would have been one scoring? I think

21:14

scoring y'all might have been number one. Giving

21:17

up points and stuff like that and then yards

21:19

and stuff. I think everything else was us. But y'all

21:22

were tough too, man. Luke Kinckley and Josh

21:24

was playing great. Yeah, man,

21:26

y'all had a solid secondary along with the D line

21:29

was crazy. So y'all definitely had a squad

21:31

man it was you know, he just ran up against

21:33

one of the top defenses.

21:35

Man. Yeah, man von Miller.

21:37

He owned that game. He did. All right, I'm

21:39

ready to move on there.

21:40

I don't know about career highlight, and

21:42

don't say that game personal

21:45

career highlight.

21:47

Man. I would say.

21:48

Something that you look back on and you see it now

21:50

and it still gives you goosebumps, like

21:53

damn man making

21:55

big play.

21:56

I had a couple.

21:56

I have about three big plays AFC Championship

21:59

game, especially the

22:01

fourth and one.

22:02

They had a fourth to one played with Brady.

22:04

And they kind of it

22:06

was like it was a rollout,

22:08

but he would faked the handoff and he brought

22:11

Edelmand behind the line and I left

22:13

my man and stayed back for to leave.

22:15

That was probably probably one of.

22:17

My best plays just because it was it

22:19

wasn't it was straight just playing off

22:21

playing off play.

22:23

This is an instance. Yeah.

22:24

So, and to be able to make that play in IFC

22:27

Championship, that would be probably one of my favorite

22:30

players.

22:30

All right, I got another one. Then.

22:32

If that's one of your favorite plays, what was your welcome

22:34

to the NFL moment? We're an undrafted

22:37

guy. Out of the University of Kansas and

22:39

you get to your team and it's just like all right,

22:41

rookie. Then you were just like, yo, this

22:44

is this is me. This is the NFL. Holy

22:47

Holy, this is this is the league. What

22:49

was moment like for you?

22:50

Man?

22:50

I got a couple you know, my

22:53

first game, you know, we played the Raiders

22:56

and they had fatten at that time.

22:58

It was Monday night, you know, it was.

23:00

The first Broncos Raiders game, my first

23:02

time experience at a Denver you know, for

23:04

getting that rival is a big you

23:07

know, like I'm looking at Dawkins champ

23:09

out here.

23:09

You know, I'm just watching that this time. I'm just straight gunner.

23:11

You know, at this time. I didn't started playing

23:14

until like week four I started playing.

23:16

But man, I seen sorry,

23:19

darc Man, Sorry, I

23:21

seen I see McFadden come over there and just

23:23

like boom, just gave

23:26

dunk one of them shoulders on the sideline and

23:28

I'm like, oh no, that to Brian

23:30

Dawkins mcfatten. And after

23:32

that, I was like, Okay, this is the NFL. You better be

23:34

you better be ready to hit. Yeah, And then I would say

23:37

my next welcome

23:39

to the NFL game would be against Aaron

23:41

Rodgers.

23:42

Right.

23:42

We went down to Green Bay. As soon

23:44

as I came in the game, we were getting killed. So they were

23:47

like, hey, just throw them in there. This is what

23:49

he can do, you know what I mean, just throw them in there.

23:51

Uh.

23:52

First player I came in there, I had damn what

23:54

was their receivers? They had driver Jennings,

23:57

Jennings that had Jennings.

23:58

I was on Jennings.

23:59

They threw him like a now route, like Aaron

24:01

Rodgers test me out, just throwing a little now route.

24:03

Now. I came in and just smacked him right out right

24:05

when he got it.

24:06

So that was kind of like my first time, you

24:08

know, really getting real, real game type

24:11

reps and going against Aaron Rodgers.

24:13

Man. So after that, man, that.

24:15

Was like, I'm not It's always funny to me,

24:17

like the plays that you remember because you can

24:19

get so many players, but

24:21

it's like, oh, but I remember this one time

24:24

and all he did was through a now route.

24:25

Now I just tackled it. But just you gotta

24:27

explain.

24:28

So the now route is the receiver just

24:30

he doesn't even run, He just stops staring.

24:32

And turns quarterba furs

24:34

and throws it out to it. It's really it's one on

24:36

one. We think our guys better. Yes,

24:39

what are you gonna do? Yes?

24:40

I have an interesting couple

24:43

thoughts I would like to know, because I experienced

24:45

has been a totally different way, and that is the NFL

24:47

lockout. So lockout

24:49

for me was I just won a Super Bowl

24:52

in two thousand and nine, I was gonna becoming a

24:54

free agent. I was gonna be a free agent

24:56

because my contract was up, but you had

24:58

to be U The owners opted

25:01

out, so then you

25:03

had to be six years to be able to come a free

25:05

agent unrestricted free agent, So I was restricted,

25:08

So I lost out on a little bit of money.

25:09

For you.

25:10

On the other hand, you

25:12

were supposed to get drafted. The year

25:15

that you got that the NFL had a lockout. Yeah,

25:17

you go undrafted. There's

25:19

no communication between agent and

25:22

ownership or whoever, and

25:24

you just sitting there.

25:26

So I want to.

25:27

Know what that felt like because I always

25:29

think about what was me in those

25:31

times? But what was you to be an undrafted

25:33

guy at that time, sitting back not knowing

25:35

anything about your future, and then

25:38

you get a call and you're like, bro, you got to be

25:40

somewhere in like twenty four hours or a day and

25:43

then let's go man that whole process.

25:45

You know, I was just confused.

25:46

I was hot really that whole time, because I'm

25:48

like, I started forty some games a big twelve.

25:51

I'm shocked by that.

25:52

I've already played Des Brian, Jordy Nelson, these

25:54

guys, you know what I mean. Jeremy Macklin, Yeah,

25:56

you know all these receivers. I'm already

25:58

crabtree. I'm already fail these guys, but

26:01

I'm not getting invited into the combine

26:03

and things like that. So I was, you know, I was already

26:05

hot about that, and then not having any communication

26:08

at all, you know, after

26:10

the after the pro date, that was it. We couldn't

26:12

talk to no scouts, you couldn't talk to no

26:15

gms. None of that was going on. So

26:18

after the draft, you know, after the draft, they usually

26:20

have undrafted get picked up, right, Yeah,

26:22

and uh that didn't happen that

26:24

year. You know, that year was no undrafteds picked

26:27

up. It was just a draft and you kept it moving,

26:29

right.

26:30

Uh.

26:30

So once we got to I just I just kept

26:33

my mind saying, you know, people were telling me how you might as

26:35

well just give it up as well. Start working on

26:37

to your next you know, you'll get to your

26:39

next job or

26:41

you know, going to school.

26:43

You know, the draft

26:45

was over. You know, the draft was over here.

26:48

They didn't really know about people didn't really know about

26:50

undrafted getting picked up things like that.

26:52

Did that weigh on you though? People telling you that constantly?

26:54

Oh yeah, I had to That's why

26:56

I wanted to know this. I really wanted to know this.

26:58

Yeah, all the time people, I mean, you just get

27:00

ready for your next act, you know, maybe one going

27:03

to coaching, things like that, And I'm thinking on the back

27:05

of my head, like maybe I should be thinking about this stuff

27:07

too, you know. And once July

27:10

came up, it was probably

27:12

like the end of July, I think, man,

27:14

I just got to call out of nowhere, you know, from

27:17

I had the Cowboys, the Dolphins, and

27:19

the Broncos. So I had those three like and they called

27:21

like in ten minutes, like you

27:23

know which one you want to come to, you know. And then

27:25

my agent thought that Denver

27:29

would be the best spot just because they had new

27:31

GM. You know, this is always first year, so

27:33

I was kind of like always first class,

27:36

you know, meet, so

27:38

we wanted to start fresh.

27:41

You know. We knew they had they had Champed,

27:43

they had Dawkins.

27:44

But they really didn't or they had Goodman too, and

27:46

Andre Goodman too because he was he played for about

27:49

good He played for like eleven years too at Corner. So

27:52

they knew that they had more older guys and

27:55

they were they were looking to make a

27:57

transfer, so they thought it would be a great

27:59

spot for me to go there and play. And that's why

28:01

I went with Denver right out of nowhere

28:03

called me next day pull

28:06

up. They had a we had a run

28:08

test, y'all. Remember y'all know from over

28:10

Hill. Yeah, I know, we all

28:13

had that run test. Man, all the vets everybody

28:15

came straight off, you know they were that was in

28:17

luckout.

28:18

Yeah, yeah, they do anything either.

28:20

No, man, I never seen all the vets out

28:22

of shape. Man.

28:23

It's that air though. How was the air when you

28:25

when you got there? How was that altitude when you got there?

28:27

Did it effect?

28:28

It's like, yeah, oh man, it

28:30

takes about it takes two weeks you

28:33

really get fully fully acclimated, right

28:35

because when you practice in the practice

28:37

field, it's.

28:38

Gonna be higher when you go to the male high, when you go to

28:41

the when you go to the stadium. It's gonna

28:43

be thicker up there there. So even though

28:45

you're training in Denver, right, you're training in

28:47

the valley, right, but still higher when you

28:49

get to the when you get to the stadium, So

28:52

you're.

28:52

Gonna feel it either way it goes.

28:54

I hate it playing Denver, no matter how I hated

28:56

it. It was the only time I ever came out

28:58

of the game as a dB is we went to Denver. We

29:00

had like three dB rotation because I just I

29:02

was just like, I can't typ

29:05

of my helmet, yo, coach, I need some air, Like,

29:07

couldn't do it.

29:07

Hate it playing in Denver.

29:09

If I was if I was an offensive coordinator

29:11

Denver, I'm no huddle every time I

29:13

would totally get just so winded,

29:16

just walking not doing

29:18

anything.

29:18

Like a fat person.

29:19

Yeah, He's like, man, what is wrong with me?

29:22

Well, this is my next couple

29:24

of questions. I'm gonna get up. I'm gonna let Peanut get

29:26

us up out of here. I

29:28

want to know do you still have that silver Avalanche truck

29:31

on twenty six because I heard about how you spent

29:33

your first million twenty sixes.

29:35

Yeah, yeah, I had to have in twenty sixty now. I mean,

29:37

I gotta get around Denver, Colorado somewhere.

29:39

So man, that and

29:42

that that tire is so thin. I had twenty

29:44

sixty too, so I can't.

29:45

We took those out. We definitely had to take You

29:49

ain't getting through no so and no twenty sixes.

29:51

We had to take those off. Oh man,

29:53

I had it for I still got it. You

29:55

still got my mom over right

29:58

now.

29:58

Okay, okay, you know that's kind

30:00

of it's kind of extra in case

30:02

we need it.

30:03

Yeah, I heard that. I

30:05

kind of used it as a work truck.

30:07

Yeah, it's a work truck now, you know. And it's

30:10

good for that, you know. It's it's one of the last

30:12

avalanches. That's why I want to keep it, because they

30:14

don't they don't even sell them anymore, you know.

30:17

I think you gotta it's hard to find those,

30:19

so I think mine's was like one of the last

30:21

ones. So I'm like, hey, we're gonna keep into

30:23

the to the wheels fall off. Man.

30:25

I agree. I agree. We're gonna take

30:27

a short break and we'll be right back.

30:30

And this is a question we like

30:33

to try and delve into with all

30:35

of our guests, and that is that who

30:37

is on your personal route Mount Rushmore

30:40

of influence, oh man?

30:42

And how many is on Mount Rushmore? For right? It's full?

30:44

All right? Not four? It's full. Okay,

30:47

it's four. Oh man, that's tough. I'm

30:49

gonna just go with.

30:51

Let's go with like Mount Rushmore teammates, good

30:53

teammates that I had. You know, okay, I

30:56

like that Champ Bailey, you know, being able

30:58

to have him Hall of Fame guy. But

31:01

give me confidence, you know, like, hey, you

31:03

can play, you can coach, throw him

31:05

out there with me. You know what I mean when you hear a guy

31:08

like that say that, you know that

31:10

gives a player of confidence.

31:11

Questions because you brought him up.

31:14

Champ used to do this like sideways

31:16

backpedal, kind of open thing. Then

31:18

I saw you start doing it. Did you Did

31:21

you learn that strictly from him? Because I

31:23

had never seen anybody cover or do Cover three

31:26

like this, and you guys were some of the

31:28

first ones ever doing it.

31:29

Man, Champ had every

31:31

tool.

31:32

That's That's one thing that he taught me is that you want

31:34

to have every tool. We want to be able to play sideways,

31:36

play square, inch on the line,

31:39

yes, reach step on the line, be

31:41

able to run and be able to cover on the

31:43

run and motion things like that to

31:47

him. Let me know that I had to put a lot of tools

31:49

to my game if I was going to be successful

31:51

like him. I'm not six

31:54

to one six two like chem Melly running

31:56

four two, So I got to be able to have these

31:58

tools tighten up. And that's one thing from

32:00

watching him, Watching

32:02

those guys, they were perfectionists when it comes to

32:04

technique fundamental.

32:06

So Champ Bailey, you got three more

32:08

man.

32:09

Let me think of some other ones. Wesley

32:11

Woodyard, Yeah, y'all know. Wesley Woodard,

32:14

great man, great vet guy

32:16

that definitely showed me the ropes, you know,

32:18

showed me how to come in and be a professional

32:21

as an undrafted what's it

32:23

gonna take on special teams to be able to kind of move

32:25

myself to playing defense? So

32:27

he was one. Let me think about

32:30

two more teammates. The

32:32

marriage Thomas dt Man

32:35

RPD dt Man.

32:37

Good dude. Me and DT went at it every

32:39

day. Every day.

32:41

It wasn't I. DT wasn't coming

32:43

there. I'm giving you a life day today. He

32:45

knew I wasn't giving him a life day, you know,

32:47

But it was just that constant competition

32:50

every day and then just knowing that we

32:52

can go out here and battle, then we go

32:54

go eat lunch at Flemings or death Frisk and

32:56

just cheer.

32:57

You know.

32:57

That's just my guy man, RPD DT. But

33:00

he was just he was quiet and just

33:02

a quiet assassin, yea. And he was always

33:04

the same. So that was good. That

33:07

was a good big brother to have that kind

33:09

of keep you calm kind of not he

33:12

never got too like emotional, you

33:14

know. He was never in his feelings things like that,

33:17

even though he had times that he could have, you know,

33:20

but DT man, he was a perfect He was a great

33:22

example of being a big brother in the NFL. How

33:24

to be a leader not just

33:27

vocal, not vocal, but just being a leader

33:29

period. Oh man, who

33:31

should I go with it on this one? I

33:33

would say, y'all

33:36

probably don't know him. Well,

33:39

y'all do no him?

33:43

Derek Wolf?

33:44

Yeah, Wolf Wolf

33:47

was such a he was an animal,

33:49

right. He brought that like kind

33:51

of he gave. He gave you that edge like I

33:54

know you can go out here and do whatever because I know you got this

33:56

big dual behind you.

33:57

He's gonna ready to fight for you, no doubt. Right.

33:59

He was like that big one of that. He was the little

34:01

brother, but the big brother. Yeah, you know, and

34:03

ab D we always went vacations

34:05

together.

34:06

You know.

34:07

That was just one of my one of my partners right there,

34:09

and he was just he

34:11

brought that. He gave you that intensity on

34:14

the field at all times. Right if you come

34:16

out here, you say, if you're not on your stuff, you

34:18

just you're going through the motions a little bit out here.

34:21

You not really got that firing in this game. Right,

34:23

Nah, we'll gonna let you know. Yeah, we'll

34:26

gonna make sure you get right, you know what I mean. He might

34:28

and he might be doing that another way. He might say,

34:30

hey, Rivers, I'm gonna eat your kids. What you're gonna do

34:33

it is trying to wake up, you know. He might say some crazy stuff

34:35

crazy, you know, but man,

34:37

just having him, Uh, those are

34:39

my Rushmore teammates, you know,

34:41

just because they added something to my game mentally

34:44

or physically and uh, you know, gave

34:46

me that little extra boost.

34:48

And those are my guys man right there.

34:50

Definitely, Chris Man appreciate

34:52

that. Thanks for coming on the podcast.

34:54

Man.

34:54

We appreciate you showing some love

34:56

and just giving us these stories and enjoyed

34:59

it. Learn a little bit more about you and your family and

35:01

the Tulsa Land and

35:04

all that. That's that's you know.

35:06

I like that. Got a lot of black history out there, man, it

35:08

is. It is.

35:10

Didn't even know about the the

35:12

Tulsa Master until I was older

35:14

in life, so there it is. I had heard about

35:16

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