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Hello,

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and welcome to the new conspirators,

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the show that's really spooky

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and weird and full of werewolves because it's

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Halloween. My name is Julian Reuben

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Stein. And beside me is the

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ghost of James Wall, the real

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James. sadly passed away in the week,

0:26

but luckily his spirit has joined me

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here in the studio. James James

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James James James.

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I mean, I I'm moderately worried this could be

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is it is quite scary. It is him. He

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Yep. Or anything? Nothing changes.

0:47

So on this week's show, we are joined

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by comedian and Podcaster, Rachel

0:53

Fairburn. Now, Rachel, as I'm sure you

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So Joel, what is it that we're gussing with Rachel

1:35

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Rachel Furbine. Welcome

2:43

to the show. How are we?

2:45

Thank you. I'm very well. Thanks for having

2:47

me. Yeah.

2:47

It's a gray old day in London. How are you feeling

2:50

inside your body?

2:51

you know what? I'm Yeah. Yeah. I'm not

2:53

hungover. I'm not ill. I'm feeling fine.

2:55

It's pretty grim. Yeah. Impossible to Whereas

2:57

also, also, Northern. There

2:59

you go. Yeah. Confident all the guests. Oh, yeah. You're gonna

3:02

see me coming in. How do you think to keep you in mind? Alright.

3:05

So, Rachel, before we get into this week's fascinating

3:08

and scary question. Do you have to

3:10

say spoo. What do you

3:13

guys do? We'll come to that later. What

3:15

would you say was your, like,

3:18

entry level conspiracy theory? Like, what was

3:20

the what was the first one you kind of remember hearing

3:22

about? So

3:22

I've I've always been a bit of a I was a

3:25

very strange child. I was always reading sort of, you know,

3:27

supernatural things and, you know, reading

3:29

true crime stuff that I really shouldn't have been reading

3:31

because I was too young. But the first

3:33

one I remember was when I used

3:35

to read the me grandkids have a collection of

3:37

the illustrated police news

3:38

sort of Victorian thing. Yeah. And

3:40

as you they're looking at it. In the street, you

3:43

know, you said they were Is this a northern

3:45

thing? You could still find my old

3:47

copies of it. It said it was

3:48

like a a trashy paper

3:50

that

3:50

was I'm excited to hear. It

3:52

was all Victorian crowd. But I would remember

3:54

looking at it, and I got ready to sing Jack the Ripper.

3:56

And then I ripped the first Profit

3:58

conspiracy I remember

3:59

was the one where it's like, well, Jack the Ripper

4:02

is a member of the royal family. Yeah.

4:04

But I don't know why haven't we

4:06

done that one. We're

4:08

gonna have to do that one day. Yeah. My producer

4:10

my executive producer. I'm both losing it with

4:12

mouths open wide, ala, family

4:15

guy characters. Whereas we all know that

4:17

Jackler ripple was actually to Ted Cruz.

4:19

What? And JFK

4:21

Junior is coming back on the next flight. JFK

4:24

Junior is our guest next week. You gotta

4:26

say that is the first time, that one's

4:28

come up. Like, when you when you got to, like,

4:30

union, I think. Like, did you what was your

4:32

kinda, like, first smoking weed one or union one or

4:34

whatever? Like, what was your first time? things.

4:36

I've not been to university. I've never smoked weed.

4:38

Big. So you guys have, you

4:40

know, eight plus research on this podcast.

4:42

Right? I'm just actually Did you get hit

4:44

by the wave of nine eleven when happened

4:46

or was it like To be

4:47

honest, I I do still read nine eleven

4:49

conspiracy

4:50

theories even now. I do still

4:52

read those now. For entertainment or just because you

4:54

think you're gonna solve it.

4:55

hate to say probably entertainment.

4:58

Right. Yeah. Same. I mean That's what I already said. But

5:00

but also the other, you know, Roswell and aliens

5:02

and stuff like that.

5:03

That's, of course, What I'm all What

5:05

I can't like is the the illustrated

5:08

sort of crime news things. They would basically

5:10

like the take a break of very rare. III

5:13

know properly, but probably a little bit

5:15

more accurate. They used to do so

5:16

obviously make stories up as well in illustrate

5:19

police news. It'd be things like, you know, a woman abducted

5:21

by a gorilla at zoo, and it'd just be a drawing

5:23

of that. And it was just and

5:25

it oh, horse and and it have it have

5:27

pictures of light skeletons with with

5:29

shrouds on speckling in,

5:30

like, hills or wells or something

5:32

like that. Was it That's my idea of a

5:34

good, you know, Christmas season, you know, skeleton

5:37

bird drink about girls are not in all

5:39

the things like skeletons coming out of wells,

5:41

beckoning quietly. We do. We

5:43

do believe all of the malls. James,

5:46

what are we gonna be discussing

5:48

this week? Well, it's actually this

5:50

is this is our consumer protection

5:52

week. It's just coincidentally near

5:54

Halloween. Whoa. Whoa. We

5:57

are we are looking at the serious consumer

5:59

question of when or not the

6:01

two billion dollar psychic

6:03

medium industry is a

6:06

scam. So Rachel, why did you choose

6:08

this question? I always been really interested in the

6:10

supernatural,

6:10

anything spookier, anything creeper. And

6:13

I have been to psychics

6:16

in the past I

6:17

my family have been psychics.

6:19

I've had it's

6:20

something that I've been interested in. I do

6:23

sort of dabble a bit with

6:25

doing readings and stuff like

6:27

that. I don't know if I believe any of it,

6:29

but I am fascinated by it. But it's just

6:31

something that I've had experience on a sort

6:33

of flip between going, oh,

6:34

this is this has to be true.

6:36

Uh-huh. This is the biggest odd issue

6:38

that I've had in my life. So I I did

6:40

I did have a slight it

6:43

might shock you to hear that I was a bit of

6:45

a shit and a bit of a wind up merchant

6:47

as a teen. No. I

6:49

I was quite fucking shocked. I was

6:51

I was reasonably good at doing

6:53

fake card shuffles. And

6:56

we we tended to always have Taro cards

6:58

in the house around the place. So

7:00

if you just if you just do a little

7:02

rigged taro card shuffle,

7:04

say that people get death

7:06

and the campaign and that I've

7:09

never seen this before. I'm

7:11

really really, really fucking fucking fucking fucking

7:13

fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking ass

7:15

ass. So you telling me you grew up in a house with

7:17

loads of time. And oh, and

7:19

like essential oils, an alternative.

7:22

You name it? You name it. No. I

7:24

am shocked that in purposes, James

7:26

Ball. Is that why you're such a deep emphasis?

7:28

No. That was my teenager and ballet

7:30

here. It was science. But

7:33

but they are ex excellent to fuck with

7:35

people because they'd be quite

7:37

nice I mean, terror cards could be

7:39

properly gorgeous. Like, I'll I'll go in for

7:41

the art. Yeah. But but what you do

7:43

as well is you make a big thing of going, well,

7:45

I I only know how to do the five card

7:48

draw because the proper one is doing a grid

7:50

and it's takes forever. What's the cross,

7:52

isn't it? The the cross is the one. You did the

7:54

cross, so the great order. But I'd just do a

7:56

simple five card drawing. You and

7:58

so you bring death out.

7:59

don't worry. It actually means change. It's,

8:02

you know, it's it's only worrying if

8:04

other ones come next to it and then, you

8:06

know, coffee. James

8:08

Dede as the host

8:10

of the new conspiracies podcast,

8:12

a podcast that tries to put

8:14

conspiracy theories to the

8:16

sword that it may be slightly problematic

8:19

that you spend your time spreading

8:21

asshole conspiracies in your

8:23

youth breaking the soul of

8:25

numerous people with your mysticism. Yeah.

8:29

Hi. I've got

8:31

to be honest. When we said when we looked

8:33

at the size of this, a two

8:35

billion dollar industry, I

8:37

was pretty shocked. Were were

8:39

you shocked, but I don't think so. No.

8:41

No. There's a lot

8:42

of needy people out there who want answers.

8:45

Yeah. But if you think about it, if you

8:47

think about selling tarot cards, if you

8:49

think about people going to see, you

8:51

know, psychic salary, all that kind of

8:52

stuff. Oh, yeah. You

8:53

know, what's them calling

8:56

fry all these kind of people? They sell

8:58

out huge, huge venues.

9:00

So I'm not and and it's like, you know, it's huge

9:02

in America, it's big in Britain. It's

9:03

He's like the David Ike of of the

9:06

spiritual world. I I sort of I

9:08

find a people go to the stadium was

9:10

quite weird. You know, a sort of woman

9:12

who wants to hear each week how,

9:14

you know, her wedges did on the other

9:16

side. It's sort of just a nice

9:18

fiction. Isn't it? Yeah. You're sort of going

9:20

just to get a bit connection, a bit company.

9:23

Yes. The person who, you know, you see the

9:25

same psychic, one on one every week, she

9:27

knows that this played, you know, there's never

9:29

go actually, he's having a fucking awful time.

9:31

He's being tortured for his sins because

9:33

he has Actually, he's saying if

9:35

you won't mind coming, he's having his neck.

9:37

Figuredel's ripped off or buy one at

9:39

the moment. No. It's never that.

9:41

It's it's How skinny

9:42

can you pray a bit harder for

9:44

you. It's like your prayer

9:46

at the ballboard. Yeah. Yeah. Says,

9:48

go up one more tier. You know, Gold tier

9:50

is not doing it platinum. says if

9:52

you give me a tender, I can put a

9:55

word in for you. It's quite weird, isn't it?

9:57

because I've always thought that with all of

9:59

this kind of,

9:59

you know, mysticism. You know,

10:02

literally whether it's either people getting into the

10:04

kind of yoga vadors or, you

10:06

know, terror or, you know, I mean,

10:08

Madonna was into all of it. So I'm not even

10:10

gonna go there. There are some

10:12

people who seem to have a sort of chronic

10:14

lack of agency in their life

10:16

and therefore look for

10:18

some sort of guidance. And there are other

10:20

people a bit like a lot of conspiracy

10:22

theories who just kinda do it for a

10:24

bit of a laugh. I

10:25

think

10:26

that is true. I think most people that

10:28

do engage with it though probably,

10:31

like say, need

10:33

something, like you're looking for an answer. you

10:35

might be quite vulnerable. I mean, the times

10:38

I've gone to psychics. It's

10:40

been either I've been

10:42

thinking about ending a relationship.

10:43

Oh, is it? Or I've come

10:46

out of a relationship. Interesting.

10:48

So what

10:48

I really wanted was

10:50

someone that I didn't know to say to me

10:52

leave the relationship. There's a

10:53

bucket of them right now. And

10:56

then, you know, coming out of the relationship, you

10:58

want someone to go everything's gonna be great.

11:00

Yeah. So this

11:02

is it.

11:02

It's like, you know, nobody I don't think anyone

11:05

goes to engage with these kind of things

11:07

because they're really happy. and

11:09

they're positive about

11:10

the future. That's so interesting.

11:12

Yeah. Although although, like, I

11:14

this is a classic been of family myth

11:17

making, but my grand would tell this quite

11:19

often until, you know, she

11:21

dies when she stops. But,

11:24

like, when shortly after

11:27

she was sort of married and my mom was a

11:29

baby and and she was there. They

11:31

went to Blackpool for a holiday,

11:34

you know, sort of gibsy huts on the

11:36

sea kind of thing. This is the

11:38

classic. And they sort of did the spontaneous

11:40

thing of, let's get a reading and

11:42

she got got one for her husband and

11:44

my granddad. And

11:46

she did the thing of giving the money

11:48

back and saying, you know,

11:51

I I can't see a future sort of

11:53

thing. Oh, wow.

11:55

Line And he died within the

11:57

air. He was run over

11:59

by a tank. No way, mate. He

12:01

was a tank driving instructor. Okay.

12:04

So I I don't go in for this stuff.

12:06

But my grand told that story, and I

12:08

mean, it's sort of it's an amazing one to get

12:10

a bit of a story and get people from

12:12

you. But he did die.

12:14

Lot smarter than that. See,

12:16

then I then I have an experience with

12:18

this. So when someone or my aunties used

12:20

to go to psychics, be upset

12:22

not frequently, but, you know, in all times for me

12:24

to remember. Only five times a

12:26

week. Only five times a week. I've got my mom is

12:28

not in doesn't believe anything

12:30

to do with anything supernatural things. It's

12:32

all a lot of rubbish. But should you go see your

12:34

psychic? because I almost been about six

12:36

years old at the time, And was really shy

12:38

child just, you know, reading me murder books and

12:40

stuff like that. Okay. That's a little

12:41

weirdo. And I was so shy, but

12:44

the the psychic she went to told my

12:46

mom, she said, oh, you've got She

12:48

said, oh, you've got two daughters and she said something

12:50

about my ancestry was only a baby at the time. Well

12:52

then she said about me. She said, oh, you've got you're

12:54

the daughter. He's very quiet, very shy. But

12:56

I'll tell you now she's gonna have a career

12:58

in entertainment, and I think she's probably

13:00

going to be a stand up comedian.

13:02

No wonder. So And

13:04

of course, my mom's name Jenks on that, you're like, berry.

13:06

Go ahead and slice it to me

13:08

like bread. Really? It's shit. Oh,

13:11

my budgets. Oh my god. That I

13:13

mean, no. It's actually slightly of

13:15

that range. See, we're all

13:16

maybe we're all a bit psychic. Well, yeah. So my mom was

13:18

like, well,

13:18

if did occur. I know. I always thought

13:21

James was a spiritual medium. I've

13:23

got that kind of comic con. It's got that

13:25

vibe about him. Yeah. I I am

13:27

literally wearing a new robe or a I

13:29

mean, there you go. There you go.

13:31

Oh, what's that? It's the snake that's

13:33

eating itself. It's like the eternal

13:35

symbols. We are learning a lot.

13:37

That's all I mean, about the true nature of

13:39

James Ball today. It is actually

13:41

That's revealing. Yeah. I mean, just

13:43

an interest. Straight off the

13:45

bat, who

13:46

believes that any psychic

13:48

power is possible around this

13:50

thing? Yes. I do believe that that

13:52

there are

13:53

that that has to be for certain

13:55

things that of of of

13:56

have like, Abbott experienced things that I've gone.

13:59

When I was weird, I think it was definitely

14:01

something that we could tap

14:02

into, but we don't necessarily Okay,

14:04

Jamesie. Not

14:05

quite sure. I think the stuff that

14:07

we don't understand about how Conter works,

14:10

about how time works, how all sorts of shit

14:12

works, So let me stress, I think, ninety

14:14

nine point 9999 percent of

14:16

anything that we'd look at it. There's

14:18

a much more obvious explanation. It's

14:20

usually a gifters. But I

14:22

think you're a bit arrogant to completely rule

14:24

it out, especially when things like

14:27

that can feel like intuitions or premonitions

14:29

are just bits of your brain pieces

14:31

to gather information in a way you're not quite sure

14:33

of. Have every review ever taken Ayahuasca

14:35

or DMT? because I have I have

14:37

night, miss Motwe, a bit terrifying. So

14:39

I've I've only done things that are strictly legal. What

14:41

I found absolutely fascinating was

14:44

an immediate understanding that

14:47

in the same way that, like, a dog

14:49

whistle. Mhmm. We can't hear it. Mhmm. I mean, it

14:51

gives you a sense that, you know, there was a whole

14:53

color spectrum. We weren't just

14:55

capable of sort of enduriting. And

14:57

I get that that is, you know,

14:59

it's it's literally true. Yeah. That's it's literally

15:01

true. We Cool. Is that you we've

15:02

never seen you saw when you One

15:04

hundred percent. And and and that's in, like, immediate

15:07

contact with them and and and the fractal

15:09

reality that, you know, all things are

15:11

alive and you are you are because DMT

15:13

exists in every single sort of living

15:15

organism. But it also led

15:17

to something really interesting,

15:19

which I'd been doing a lot. Now I'm sure

15:21

a lot of you have had experiences listening

15:24

where you are thinking of someone and they

15:26

call you or you know,

15:28

me and my mom massively have

15:30

this. Like, it happens all the time. But have

15:32

you ever had a dream about

15:33

something and then gone, well,

15:36

that's weird because that's like, a cup.

15:38

And it's not conscious, not that you wake up going.

15:40

Oh, I've had a vision. It's it can

15:42

be really small things. Mhmm. You know, it can

15:44

literally be like, seeing someone or something like that and a

15:46

couple weeks late something clicks or

15:48

something like that. Have you ever had anything I've not had it

15:50

where it's been the dream, but I've had it where and

15:52

III said I get it with my mom quite a

15:54

lot. but sometimes I ring to me and she goes, oh, I

15:56

just picked up the phone then because I knew

15:57

you were gonna call. Exactly. So that

15:59

kind of

15:59

thing, all like I you know, she

16:02

sometimes she sort of senses

16:04

things or, you know, but but I think that's just

16:06

mothers and and children. I don't know. But there

16:08

was one time that something really freaked

16:10

me out. So I've I've left

16:12

school a good sort of seven

16:14

years. I was walking through Manchester City

16:16

Centre where I lived at the time.

16:18

and I was I suddenly thought

16:20

about a girl that I hadn't thought about since I

16:22

left school. A girl that wasn't friends with, made

16:25

no impression on me. Five minutes

16:27

later, she walked around the corner.

16:29

madness. And I just you know what? I

16:31

got old goosey. I went

16:32

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I Why

16:35

did

16:35

it why has that happened? That freaks

16:37

me

16:37

out. Is that what she's called normative

16:39

determinism? Like when something actually

16:41

happens that then is sort of a self fulfilling

16:44

not your thinking of nominative deterrent.

16:46

That's it. But that's like if you're called Chip and

16:48

then kill people in the wood chipping

16:50

or whatever. Why is this

16:52

language just fucking going on? Why was why was

16:54

that word? Why am I worried about it? If

16:56

you wanna out yourself as a as a fucking

16:58

serial killer, we'll get so many

17:00

likes. That's so funny. This is

17:03

it. Do you wanna do you wanna because True Crime is

17:05

smashing it at the minute. So yeah. But We'll just

17:07

pivot into a true blind book. It doesn't

17:09

mean it's the first runway. It could

17:11

be ridiculous. Because you say it looks like a bit

17:13

of a hobbit. He's now a tallie's girlfriend,

17:15

snaking itself from his neck. And

17:17

and

17:17

you you're very unassuming. Like,

17:19

you you just it would be like, What?

17:21

No. No. No. No change.

17:23

Things I've seen him festival. Oh,

17:25

I know it is possible. I'm I'm very

17:27

Bikram older festivals. Yep.

17:30

Yeah. I'd you know, well, there are these

17:32

things. I think almost anyone who makes

17:34

money off it is an absolutely ox

17:36

stowage. I like there's nice ones and then

17:38

there's the absolute shit. who have

17:40

earpieces in and will get on to those. But

17:42

I I can't remember being out

17:44

in Rome with friend of

17:46

the podcast Nikki Wolf. who This

17:48

is from the opposite because they You too, you know,

17:50

there's a few in early in previous

17:54

seasons. And we'd

17:56

sort of decided to go out in the sort

17:58

of gay bits and be weird

18:00

for you. Yeah. Just not like me

18:02

at all. There was

18:04

sort of this elderly psychic in the street who sort

18:06

of was really playing her her

18:09

hustle. So he gave her a ten year

18:11

raise and she went woman

18:13

that you love, she will come back to you. You know, the

18:15

break up. So I was like,

18:18

no. No.

18:20

I'm sure just right. Just

18:23

But I can't decide if she was just

18:25

like a marketing genius or

18:27

just the worst I can get because we were quite

18:29

drunk. And so we gave her another ten

18:32

year. you know, do you wanna try again?

18:34

You know, lucky

18:36

too. Oh, god. And she, you

18:38

know, and she just kept dumpling down on

18:40

the fact that this female love

18:43

would come back to me. Man,

18:45

it's it's like it's, you know, it's not just you

18:47

know, where it's like, okay. Maybe

18:49

you could just kinda go, she's going, you'll end up,

18:52

you know, married to a woman or

18:54

whatever. But I haven't

18:56

been in a relationship with a

18:58

woman ever. So there's no one that could have quite a repressed

19:00

straight man. But maybe I just

19:02

need the courage to come out. That's how you

19:04

read into

19:04

it. Don't it? Maybe she didn't mean a

19:06

woman and that you were relationship with.

19:08

Maybe she just meant a woman that

19:10

you were friends with or or

19:12

a woman from a maybe

19:14

you missed out the car accident.

19:17

Maybe

19:17

mister character from

19:20

childhood

19:20

from a book, and you think you

19:22

might go

19:22

to market advance. So he can just read it

19:24

anyway.

19:24

This is I fucking love about all of SCC is

19:27

it's like that's a relatively specific statement. Right?

19:29

It's like, yeah, but maybe it's a Yeah.

19:31

But maybe it's a Well, I I

19:33

do quite like it when people leave the

19:35

mod in the audience. If you get the red, you guys

19:37

get it there. So I was like, I I'm

19:39

getting something from a a

19:42

jest And it's like there's five hundred people in the audience, of course, that

19:44

suggests, but I can't like it, so it goes. Yeah.

19:46

That's it. She's saying she's happy on the other

19:48

side. It's like, well, she's she's

19:50

out at home in the kitchen. So, you know, just years.

19:52

So listen, I wanna ask you a question. So

19:54

what percentage do you think

19:56

of Americans believe in at least

19:58

one of

19:59

four sort of concepts identified as a new

20:02

age. So I'll take, like, you know, we're in Croatia and

20:04

astrology. What's all percentage

20:06

checking? I'd

20:07

say.

20:08

seventy percent. It's a bit less than sixty

20:11

two percent. Okay. But about

20:13

forty lower than I would have thought. I think it was a bit

20:15

lower as well because I've been to work a lot of the

20:17

times, they're batch it crazy. But it

20:19

was forty one percent believe

20:21

in psychics, one market analyst found

20:23

that psychics services industry has

20:26

been growing steadily over the past five years

20:28

or so, almost like a lack of hope in the

20:30

world, reaching over two

20:32

billion in revenue in the US

20:34

by twenty eighteen from activities

20:36

like reading and public talks.

20:39

But meaning, it should be such stress to global

20:41

industry's gotta be fucking huge because, like, South

20:43

America, Latin America, this stuff seems

20:45

like big. And, you

20:48

know, there's less of it here, but there's

20:50

loads of it. Well, recently, every

20:52

so often, I like seeing you know, because we're living in a

20:54

cost of living crisis. And I am a stand up comedian,

20:56

and I and I earn money through doing this

20:58

as my job. However, sometimes I have a panic and go, oh my god, what

21:00

other jobs are out there just in case? And

21:03

just two weeks ago,

21:03

I was looking on a job website and

21:07

then they were looking for Psyche.

21:08

Psyche phone line for some Yeah.

21:11

What mystic Meggings just for, like, but

21:13

like, telephones. But yeah. All

21:14

it said was like them. Yeah. We

21:16

need psychics for this phone line, genuine

21:19

experience needed.

21:20

But then also

21:23

immediate start. So,

21:25

you know So, I mean, did you ever

21:27

hear the the sort of famous one

21:29

where Kelvin Mackenzie sacked

21:32

the son's astrology when he was still the

21:34

editor. Oh, no. He

21:36

wrote to her as he will no doubt

21:38

have foreseen. Oh, boy.

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22:44

podcasts. This

22:47

blew my fucking mind. So on

22:49

TikTok, That's hilarious.

22:51

So look How how to tell them

22:53

that Remember these podcastes and these porties?

22:56

They use with their TikToks.

22:59

So on TikTok, the hashtag spirituality

23:01

and spirit has

23:03

how many billions -- I'd

23:05

I'd go for spirit. -- respectively.

23:09

Yeah. You could sell

23:11

virtual TikToks if you want. Wait. Does it just TikToks

23:13

like Listed and Listed? You're actually getting Oh

23:15

my god. That's such a good market.

23:17

So how many billion

23:19

views, direct and on

23:22

TikTok, the well known social

23:24

media company, the hashtag spirituality

23:26

has.

23:26

Oh.

23:28

fifty two. Fifty two billion.

23:31

Yeah. Okay. Now Look, I'm really going

23:33

for it in. I mean, I've I've read the

23:35

notes. Oh, wow. actually fifteen billion, but

23:37

that really always fucking mind. And

23:40

medium, three point six billion

23:42

views. So it's clearly I mean, it is

23:44

kinda weird. Is it I mean,

23:46

what what what I just quite like here is in the

23:48

notes put together by evil

23:50

producer Michael. We

23:52

have here according

23:54

to a scientist on

23:56

goop. Gwyneth Alteryx

23:59

modernized house. It's that bloody

24:01

and isn't that old, Gwyneth.

24:03

Yeah. try Yeah. Greater paltos. This is the

24:05

the vaginal eggs and all of this stuff, but

24:07

I can't even see that on the trusses.

24:10

A scientist. as endorsed by

24:12

a executive services production

24:14

team, and I quote,

24:16

the rule of thumb is that all mediums

24:19

are psychic. but not all psychics are mediums. Amazing.

24:21

While anyone can potentially have

24:23

medium mystical psychic experiences,

24:25

mediums experience regular communication

24:27

from the deceased. and psychics

24:29

regularly experience information about or

24:32

from living people, distant locations

24:34

or events, and or times in the future

24:36

or past. brackets that they did

24:38

not originally experience. That

24:40

is apparently the science part. That

24:42

is incredible. Because, you know, I've

24:44

just I've just finished this

24:46

amazing book. Do you really have you ever read

24:48

any Immacune books? I of course, I

24:50

have. I love Immacune. Do you ever read

24:52

any of these? So is this book lessons that's just

24:54

come out recently? and part of it.

24:56

I won't spoil anything, but one of the

24:58

characters dies and watches someone

25:00

die. And he's a kind of a meditation

25:02

on the medical industry.

25:04

and religion. And you

25:06

sort of forget or I certainly do

25:08

anyway that until very very

25:11

recently, the medical establishment was

25:13

basically seen as heretical. Mhmm. And

25:15

and

25:15

religion, essentially mystics,

25:19

was saying, oh, it's ungodly. to

25:22

vaccinate someone. It's ungodly to give

25:24

them pain killers. It's against you

25:26

know, it's not right. Their spirit in one of

25:28

the the the sections. He talks about whether your

25:30

spirit would not go to heaven if

25:32

you have any painkillers. And this is

25:34

all kind of part of the same thing that you

25:37

think. these things end up in a real

25:39

contrast because if you're if

25:41

you're trying to sort of go, there's

25:43

more to work than what you can measure and what

25:45

you can and the scientific sort of method is

25:47

what you can prove, what you can evidence. The

25:49

two are going to be in philosophical opposition.

25:52

So they're going to end up in quite

25:55

direct opposition. And I think the sort of

25:57

clever and nice harmful

25:59

ones kind of take the view

26:01

of well the spiritual

26:03

level is as well

26:05

as. And so you do all the things for good

26:07

health that, you know, evidence points you

26:09

towards, and then this is a bonus one.

26:11

the ones where it becomes almost totalitarian

26:13

-- Yeah. -- are like the ones where it's like they.

26:15

You've got to do our thing fully --

26:17

Yeah. -- or else. And that's what fox people are.

26:19

See that that's where it becomes cult like.

26:21

Yeah. Yeah. That's the you know, when people start

26:23

and say, actually, you know, and and deep down, a lot

26:25

of these people know, I think. They

26:27

just they love having the power of

26:30

it. And, yeah, and I think some people

26:31

do this because they do like to have

26:33

a bit of power over people, and they do like

26:35

to sort of be like, well, I know.

26:38

I'm ever so wise and you don't know in that kind

26:40

of thing. So I think there

26:42

are a lot of dodgy

26:44

people spiritualism was, like, massively

26:46

in the vague -- Mhmm. -- in in, like,

26:48

the sort of second half

26:50

to nineteenth century, early twentieth.

26:53

And so Queen Victoria was big into it.

26:55

It's not surprise. Fairly understandably.

26:57

It's people who've been chosen

27:00

by God. you become the

27:02

queen. But it's also it's heresy.

27:04

Right. You know, if you are the you

27:06

know, she is an audience of the

27:08

connection between God and the

27:10

church. Yeah. and she's sort of going and saying, you know,

27:12

samances and so on. But she

27:14

would get advice from her late

27:16

husband, Don Light, political matters.

27:18

No. Now This is real.

27:20

Yeah. No way. Yeah. No.

27:22

That that would happen. So in in in in in in in

27:23

it comes to her late husband. So somebody

27:26

is talking to queen Victoria and going well,

27:28

he

27:28

actually thinks so. Yeah. I mean, look. That's gonna

27:30

be your go level shit, isn't it? And this

27:32

is why we don't have women in Chuck. Why

27:34

is it? I'm not going to say

27:37

access today. I don't believe any ambition.

27:39

So after listening to Andrew Take

27:41

Paul costume Arthur coded Men's

27:43

rights, Joel. Men's rights.

27:45

Arthur Cote and Dial sort of

27:48

Sherlock authors -- That does surprise. --

27:50

really, really famously a

27:53

a spiritualist. And, yeah, he he

27:55

was quite into it. Thomas Edison? This

27:57

blows my mind. So the

27:59

thing with Edison was he was a complete

28:01

grypter and a complete salesman. And

28:04

so people aren't quite

28:06

sure whether he was into

28:08

it because it was high fashion -- Okay.

28:10

-- you know, Queen Victoria's into it all

28:12

of this. but he tried to sort of

28:14

create a spirit phone

28:16

so that, you know, as well as the telephoned

28:18

across distance. Okay. You could go

28:20

across the bail but he sort of thought you could do a kind

28:22

of scientific spiritualism. And

28:25

then the last one we'll go to just because I

28:27

think this is quite a pleasing sort of thing

28:30

was Mary Todd Lincoln. And I'm gonna

28:32

tell you who this is. Who is this?

28:34

I mean, the surname's a clue. Okay. Right.

28:37

Aves. Aves. Aves' wife.

28:39

I mean, actually corrects the sheet here.

28:41

She was Mary Lincoln. People would add

28:43

to Mary Todd Lincoln to diminish

28:46

her. And, like, sort of slag slagger

28:48

off basically. It was just suggest she was

28:50

a sort of country bump kid named

28:52

into the Tard and she made the top

28:55

She went by Mary Lincoln, but

28:57

it's obviously, she had pretty much the

28:59

worst trip to the theater on

29:01

camera. Yeah. But she lost

29:03

her son three years before that as

29:05

well. Oh, no. And so she's

29:07

believed to conduct at least eight

29:10

sciences in the White House.

29:13

Wow. That's got to

29:15

almost be the most sacrilegious plate because

29:17

obviously it was, you know, it's built to not

29:19

have any religious artifice.

29:21

Yeah. That is quite fascinating. Yeah.

29:23

I mean, look, we've the various people have

29:25

fucked with the White House in quite a few ways over

29:27

the over the time. I mean, we the British burned

29:29

it downwards. This is true. I mean, maybe

29:31

Monica Lewinsky should have said that what

29:33

was on the dress was a exel cousin.

29:36

000

29:38

man. I was just doing a seance. It's

29:40

the Oh, it's it's it's not the that's not the

29:42

president. I mean, she has she has dance relations with

29:44

that woman. She was commuting with

29:46

some sick. Yeah. She fucking was.

29:49

Now, as many listeners, may

29:51

have realized throughout the course of the series. Have I been

29:53

betrayed during numerous times? Numerous

29:55

times. James has strung on

29:58

me, quizzes that I had

30:00

no idea what happening. But

30:02

today, it's my turn because

30:04

today, we're gonna play

30:06

James gets his camera reading.

30:11

That's right. We are going to

30:13

do live on the podcast. Okay.

30:15

It's our reasoning. And to my Paul Daniels, Rachel would

30:17

be my fabulous Debbie McGee. Now,

30:20

James, I have realized today

30:22

that you are no stranger. to

30:24

the tower cards. So I'm gonna pass James

30:27

to tower cards now. We're gonna do

30:29

the diamond formation,

30:31

but could you please read us

30:33

what the diamond formation?

30:35

It's for The diamond. Okay.

30:37

The

30:37

letter is used for more clarity on a

30:40

specific issue,

30:40

number one, the issue. That is in

30:42

the middle.

30:43

Two, internal influence that there you

30:45

are unable to see. external

30:47

influence of which you are aware. Four,

30:50

what is needed for the resolution. Five,

30:53

resolution, the understanding.

30:54

Is there any this

30:57

spiritual question you think -- Well, I thought. -- the sec this

30:59

the central one will presumably tell us what

31:01

we're asking. That's true. So the issue what is the issue,

31:03

James? It's a picture of a haunted

31:05

looking jolian screaming. a hunted looking jogging machine.

31:08

Otherwise, lives. Pause.

31:10

Wow. So let's go to past lives. Let's see.

31:11

Okay. Oh my god. The

31:14

hands of existence form the shape

31:16

of the female genitals. The

31:18

opening of the cosmic

31:20

mother revealed within our

31:22

many images Why

31:22

is it with psychics and female? And

31:25

female? Maybe it's going

31:27

straight. I'm sorry, but the

31:29

entire psychic realm is homophobic. We is

31:31

so dead. While it might

31:32

be entertaining to fantasize about

31:34

famous past lives, it is just a distraction.

31:36

The real point is to see and understand the

31:38

karmic patterns of our lives and their

31:40

roots in an endless repetitive cycle that traps us in

31:43

unconscious behavior. The events in

31:45

your life are trying to show you a

31:47

pattern as ancient

31:48

the journey of your own

31:50

soul. James and I'm feeling

31:52

about that. I I because that's the issue.

31:55

That's that's the main issue that we're

31:57

dealing with. bit of a vague ish shoot. I don't know about the

31:59

scrap clinker. It's never a big pattern. It

32:01

means that this Well, the issue that we're looking at

32:03

today, you need a wake up call. Yeah.

32:05

We've got some rainbow lizards

32:07

to bang into it. Yeah. And there's

32:09

some people on the card who look a

32:11

bit pissed off in your part's lives. I mean I

32:13

mean sort of you know, knowing Hi

32:15

listeners, producer Michael here.

32:17

As you can probably guess, this went

32:19

on for quite a long time.

32:22

So to save you precious time in your busy

32:24

lives, we're skipping through most of it. But

32:26

we did learn some interesting things along the

32:28

way. It's like just Yeah. Yeah.

32:30

Just done it. Yeah. Awesome. No so

32:32

much for waiting. You

32:34

know, you know, no sadverts that used

32:36

to always be marketed to women for,

32:38

like, women pooing. I like what she

32:41

take she beat just doing that very sadly

32:43

and then take on it, then they'd be like

32:45

falling leaves.

32:46

And In fact, the one and only result of

32:48

postponing

32:48

things is a dull and depressing feel

32:51

and

32:51

and being stuck.

32:52

James, I I think this

32:55

is about charity contract. Okay. Let's go for

32:57

trust me. It's better for everyone if we move

32:59

on. So here's the conclusion we

33:01

arrived at. I think it's no. I think it's

33:03

more literal than that. I think you were actually

33:05

your body, you're frozen in

33:07

ice, your spiritual self was put into

33:09

ice. And then you were

33:11

reborn. That's a pretty daisy. As a

33:13

pretty pretty,

33:14

pretty, daisy. Nice. Hit

33:16

me. That'd be two hundred and fifty

33:18

quickly.

33:19

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33:22

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33:25

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33:27

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33:29

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33:35

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Everything that was

33:53

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33:56

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33:58

in the world that

33:59

could never change or

34:02

Steinbergs like he or Steinbergs. The

34:04

family was

34:07

drawn together by the money. I

34:09

was so aware this could come to

34:11

a screeching vote. You think I would

34:13

have stopped? And then all of

34:15

a sudden, about Keno erupts. I'm Aria

34:18

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34:26

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34:26

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34:28

the power of spirituality. I have to,

34:30

you know, if if you found that

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great, listen to just tea nights later. You listen

34:36

to our bonus episode. Each week,

34:38

Julien will analyze what we do.

34:42

over the course of the two hour

34:44

recording, which is what that took

34:46

without the edit. Now it's really interesting, isn't

34:48

it? Because the in in sort of

34:50

modern medium, there's actually

34:52

now laws to protect.

34:55

So genuine mediums have been

34:57

protected since nineteen fifty one. by

34:59

the fraudulent mediums act under

35:02

which prosecutors had to

35:04

prove frauds and

35:06

dishonest intent to secure a criminal conviction,

35:08

which was definitely very difficult.

35:10

Right. I mean, it it's yeah. It's

35:12

insane in essentially, you could

35:14

find false tapping

35:16

devices and stuff like this, which a

35:18

lot of people would have. You know, they'd have

35:20

little contrivances. And

35:23

you would think that that would be a sign, or in

35:25

modern sort of era, someone would have an

35:27

earpiece and a sort of accomplished who was

35:29

kind of going, oh, I said on

35:31

here, but they've written down their problem as they

35:33

come in. Yeah. That wouldn't

35:35

be enough. Because if the

35:37

person could convincingly say yes, we do

35:39

some theater, we do showmanship, but

35:42

we still believe it's real. Mhmm.

35:44

You essentially would have to have

35:46

the person on video. or in

35:48

writing saying, all of this is a scam. I'm hoaxing the

35:51

example. I'm short of that. You

35:53

could show all of the contrivance and all

35:55

of this sort of

35:58

fakery. and you still wouldn't get a sort of offense.

36:00

And so that sort of ran

36:02

through in the UK

36:04

still, I mean, but the

36:07

EU sort of added, you can only market this

36:09

as entertainment. You can't say it's

36:12

information or healing. Yeah. Because, look,

36:14

you know, if people had had the gift, then

36:16

it's that accurate and uncanny that people should take advice on

36:18

it. You know, why isn't there a

36:20

psychic hedge fund? Well, let's get

36:22

into let's get into

36:24

this deep shit because this is

36:26

where my friends of the podcast are

36:28

gonna get really excited.

36:30

Now,

36:30

Rachel, would you like to hear

36:32

about what the US army set up

36:34

in the Stargate project in nineteen seventy eight. Absolutely. Because

36:36

this is the shit that I

36:38

like. So a secret unit was

36:42

set up to explore the possibility of psychic phenomena

36:44

in military and domestic intelligence

36:47

applications, which I think is only vetted

36:49

really by the dolphins. that

36:52

minds

36:52

are no. The dolphins work.

36:54

Who says this doesn't work? So what what

36:56

what did they do? So it's a really

36:58

good sign that the cold war is going badly at

37:01

this stage. Yeah. Yeah. And also I

37:03

told you, all people

37:04

wanna go to psychics when something's gone.

37:06

It's But also

37:08

a sign that the US Army had too much

37:10

funding. Yeah. They did sort of

37:12

they they set up this unit and genuinely tried

37:15

to find the people among different

37:17

units who thought they were predisposed to it and

37:19

sort of set up out in the middle of

37:22

nowhere. And they tried to sort of look

37:24

into whether they could do psych intelligence

37:26

gathering, but they also sort of

37:28

most famously tried to kind

37:30

of do

37:32

psychic weaponry. Yeah. This is So

37:34

could you have psychic assassins who could

37:36

be sitting in Nevada and,

37:38

like, you know, kill --

37:40

Wow. -- credit to John Ronson, his book on

37:42

this is excellent. It's just it's old hat now. The men who stay in

37:44

stocks. Oh, yes. They've got you not shitting him

37:46

off. They they had people to

37:48

spend hours and hours

37:50

and hours. staring

37:52

at a go tried to kill it with red terror of their

37:54

mind. Have you ever tried to knock someone

37:57

out with Psyche evils? You know, when

37:59

it was when it was Tina, tries

38:01

send bad vibes. Did you did you buy vibes

38:03

from us? He tries it bananas. What did they

38:05

do to you? Oh, it'd be something trivial

38:07

like, you know, oh, someone taught something out

38:09

in a pencil case at school. Oh, you know, nothing. Do we think that

38:11

the kind of mass? Because I

38:14

think it's really I mean, like, the last five,

38:16

ten years. Right?

38:18

That, like, mass cultural yoga and

38:20

wellness -- Mhmm. -- and, I mean,

38:22

the rise of goop that we were talking about with the

38:24

the majority. And so when the paltro's

38:27

fault. Yes. And Yeah. Maybe he's absolutely. A lot

38:29

of things. I mean, actually, the Peltro family have a

38:31

lot to answer for She almost ruined the

38:34

game because, like, we work That was

38:36

hard. We work That was a

38:38

paltrow. Yeah. Yeah. Goop.

38:40

Paltrow. Yeah. The paltrows are a

38:42

death cult. Wow. Oh my god. That's a season

38:44

for it. I'm sorry. The the paltrows are a

38:46

death cult. I've got to say, though, if I met out, I'd

38:48

be so nice to her. III would

38:51

sort of got straight back to

38:53

her. Professional. You're professional.

38:56

Oh, dear. I wanna talk about one of my favorite psychics, which

38:58

is actually Anthony William.

39:00

Now, you may already know about him because he

39:02

claims, and I love this. He's a

39:04

medical medium.

39:06

Do you know about this guy? He's got four point one million Instagram

39:08

followers. I you wanna And no.

39:11

Although I have seen his stuff on other

39:13

people's things, and he it's true.

39:15

It's always after a freight car. Yeah.

39:18

Someone's going to. It's like when you see the

39:20

self help memes coming and you're

39:22

like, oh, babe. Yeah. Are you

39:24

okay? You can this isn't. You can sense

39:25

a break. I can do it. I do it all the time. But

39:27

do you know

39:27

what the You're saying even worse

39:29

because I see of, like, mates who are

39:31

younger me. I and stuff. Who literally

39:34

post stuff with them crying? Oh

39:36

my God. No. And I'm, like, have

39:38

some decor especially when you

39:40

know it's their third take. You know what

39:42

I mean? And this is the,

39:44

like, genuinely thinks of a girls or the

39:46

worst of this. that when the mascara

39:48

is running -- Oh, John. -- annualized Medical

39:50

medium. But the medical okay. The medical

39:52

medium. Some of the

39:54

people

39:54

who claim to do it. Now I'm gonna

39:56

give you any number of guests I want, but

39:58

I you've mentioned one of them.

39:59

Who do you think? He's a

40:02

singer? He has doetted

40:04

with Darth Punk. Who

40:06

do you think is ballsy enough to

40:09

give them

40:09

praise on their website,

40:11

the medical medium?

40:13

Can you ask?

40:14

I'm finding a

40:15

good thing there. I mean, at this point,

40:17

it is the right answer for relevant ones.

40:19

Okay. It is a wasn't who's

40:21

getting lucky. Kinda kinda just so cute. I did not

40:23

I did not get that from the Oh, no

40:25

cheating here. Actually, I

40:26

think to prefer to Kanye West. I think he'd think it

40:28

was a lot of shit, actually. I think he's got a likely

40:30

to be like Kanye would like to drive by. He

40:32

probably probably get you know what? Too many

40:34

jeez. You know what I mean?

40:36

Yeah. Who do you think?

40:38

words have endorsed this site as well. Would it be generic

40:41

or pacino? What? That's

40:44

right. Both. No. It it.

40:46

Who do you say much? I'd say Elpacino.

40:48

Unfortunately, it's not. It's our favorite Robert

40:50

De Niro. I mean, I'm very surprised.

40:52

Unbelievable. Four point one million

40:56

people. He claims that

40:58

spirits told him celery

41:00

juice could extend your lifespan. Omar, is that the

41:02

best you've got tell us. Do you know what I'm

41:04

saying? Yes. They have to tell us. Do you

41:06

know what I'm saying? Well, listen. We

41:08

have come to that part of the

41:10

podcast where we need to decide.

41:13

whether psychics are

41:15

absolute bullshit or

41:18

legit first rate absolutely

41:22

back on. And particularly, I think that we've gotta get in the money, don't we? Because I think

41:24

what James said is really important

41:26

because we're not really saying because all of us

41:28

feel we've got some psychic vibes.

41:30

Right? Mhmm. So III

41:32

I'm definitely saying, look

41:35

at Hark at this one

41:37

today with this psychic giant. So

41:39

all I'm saying is, we we are now talking about

41:41

the people that are profiteering. Oh, we're not. We're not like

41:43

just cutting everything. Say

41:44

about a psychic moment. because in mass

41:46

of psychic, who don't charge for their services, aren't

41:48

there? There are some people who are like, this is a gift,

41:50

and I have to share it with people. I mean, they are few and

41:52

far between. Before we actually get to

41:54

the end, have you ever ever met someone on

41:56

that? No.

41:57

Have I was paid

41:58

for the

41:59

year? I

42:00

did have someone that used to

42:03

know did claim to be a a psychic and a and

42:05

a spiritualist once, and I was like, oh, this is it. Now is it?

42:07

Was he trying to get off with you? No.

42:09

It was a woman. But Was

42:11

she trying to get off then? No. I

42:12

don't think so, but she had a history of

42:14

sort of, oh, this is what she's

42:16

doing

42:16

this week. I see. We've all

42:19

got that. Okay. Yeah. We've all got that

42:21

this

42:21

is it this week. Oh, we'll we'll just write this

42:23

out and then we'll wait

42:24

for the next thing. Yeah. Anyway,

42:26

back to the ambassador

42:28

at hand, is the psychic

42:30

realm. Is it

42:30

a full game y? Is it conspiracy

42:32

theory? Or is it an actual

42:34

conspiracy japes? I'm gonna go

42:36

full remainder inside with the EU on

42:40

there. I think it's fine for entertainment and bollocks

42:42

for everything else. Bollocks for everything else

42:44

profound. Okay. I I

42:46

think I agree

42:48

with you. I think there is something

42:50

else that we can't yet tap into, that

42:52

we have the ability to, that some people can,

42:54

but I think that some people did

42:56

take advantage of. So I I do

42:58

think it exists on a level

42:59

that we don't understand.

43:02

It's psychic centrus. If that makes

43:04

sense. The psychic centrus

43:07

is brilliant. Well, I think as I've been saying that

43:09

there are lots of things within the

43:11

lived human experience we have no

43:13

understanding of and I

43:15

think consciousness and the ability to cognate things. But

43:17

no, I do think that sort of

43:19

I find it impossible to believe

43:22

that there is not a whole

43:24

world that we don't understand in terms of

43:26

consciousness. Thank you for joining us

43:28

this week. Now, Rach. Where can

43:30

people find you on your social

43:32

media. Well, I'm on

43:34

Instagram, Twitter,

43:36

TikTok, tactic,

43:37

whatever you called

43:39

it. And I think you will find it in TikTok. I

43:41

don't I don't do anything on TikTok though.

43:43

I'm just there, but you've got to

43:45

mention, aren't you? Am I I'm

43:47

just at Rachel Fairburn? and tell

43:49

us a bit more about the amazing podcast you

43:51

do with Curry Pritchard McLaren. No. I

43:54

do

43:55

pop called all killer, now filler, which has been it's come

43:57

up to its seventh birthday on

43:59

Halloween. And

44:02

that is a It's about

44:04

serial killers. Yeah. It's it's very

44:05

popular. And I've heard that you

44:07

have another podcast coming

44:10

up about goasting. I do. A recent

44:11

link where it's coming out on the thirty

44:13

first October Halloween again. Handy

44:16

coins. And

44:16

I know. And it's called

44:18

Guglguide.

44:20

And basically, it's a series where I visited haunted places

44:23

around the UK. Did you fuck? Did you actually

44:25

do that? Yeah. You're

44:25

not shitting yourself? Yes.

44:28

I was. because

44:30

I

44:30

am absolutely terrified of it. I'm terrified of it. At the

44:32

fascinating, you put terrified. Visit all these different

44:34

locations, and I get told three

44:37

stories about

44:38

the location, and one of them is

44:40

the true story in Invuity. Oh, that's

44:42

really good. True story. And I have

44:44

to because, obviously, I have

44:46

day after night, I have to explore, and I have to guess which is the true story.

44:48

Oh my god. Which

44:49

one did you shit yourself in those? God, this

44:51

is so we went

44:52

to a place called Donich.

44:55

which is near The other way I can

44:57

describe is it, well, it's just near where a latitude festival is.

44:59

But it's a seaside town and

45:01

I'd never tiny little village actually.

45:03

I'd never

45:04

been on a beach in the UK so late at night.

45:06

I was really frightened about and

45:08

there was a forest that we

45:09

went in

45:10

as well. I really

45:12

didn't mind. We advised speeches at the dark. We

45:15

But she saw just a big fire. Yeah.

45:17

But there's nobody Not a soul on

45:19

the beach, and it was it was really yeah. It was great. It

45:20

was really good for me. And

45:21

so where where can we listen? You

45:24

can find

45:25

it on global player and

45:27

wherever you get your podcasts.

45:29

Excellent. Lovely. Thank you. Listen, thank

45:31

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45:33

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45:54

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45:58

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46:00

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