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we thank you so much for being here. Today,

1:00

we have an extra special guest and Brazilian journalist

1:02

Adriana Kahunka, who's here to talk about her new

1:04

book, Soul by Soul, the evangelical mission to spread

1:06

the gospel to Muslims. But first, let's have some

1:09

fun. Are you guys ready to listen to some

1:11

clips? Not really, but

1:13

clips. I have to

1:15

tell you, with what we got today, I

1:17

really don't blame you for the, uh, Oh,

1:19

no. Alright, well, anyway, clips. So, uh, former

1:22

President Trump, kind of known to occasionally be

1:24

funny. But this one, I

1:26

don't think was intentional, but I was cackling. And I

1:28

think we have a good chance of winning New York.

1:30

We're going to give it a big flame. We're

1:32

going to the South Bronx to do a

1:35

rally. We're going to be

1:37

doing a rally at Madison Square Garden, we believe.

1:39

And we think we're signing Madison Square Garden to

1:41

do it. We're going to have a big rally,

1:43

honoring. Is

1:45

Madison Square Garden in the South Bronx?

1:48

Did he move it? You know,

1:50

we have a long history, uh, in New York

1:53

of naming party places after other New York monuments.

1:55

I went to a lot of shows at a

1:57

Shea Stadium that wasn't Shea Stadium. I can see

1:59

that. being a possibility. Oh, okay.

2:01

Well look famously in 1939 there was

2:04

a Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden.

2:06

Which is Pappy attendance. Yeah, so why

2:08

not? I mean the history is there.

2:10

I mean the fact that he says

2:13

he thinks they have a serious chance of

2:16

winning New York. I mean

2:18

that was the funniest. That was the first term. Yeah,

2:20

that was the funniest part of all of it, but

2:22

well maybe going into South Bronx that's pretty funny too.

2:25

Could either of you attend the R &

2:27

C protests when it was in New York?

2:29

No. No. I'm just envisioning

2:31

that wasn't a pretty scene those

2:34

days. Watching my friends get beaten

2:36

brutally by cops. Can you imagine

2:38

maggos walking through the South Bronx

2:41

and also how few old tend. I

2:43

gotta tell you I'd love to fucking see

2:45

it. You know what I'm saying? Like I

2:47

would buy tickets for it. You know like

2:49

so I mean by all means it's always

2:51

funny to me when these motherfuckers want to

2:54

hold like these rallies they do so in

2:56

the widest of places. Bring your hot shit

2:58

to the people's doorstep that you're talking about.

3:00

Bring it. A certain relative of mine just

3:02

this weekend would not come into New York

3:04

City because they watched too much Fox News.

3:07

So we had to meet them at the

3:09

American Dream Mall in New Jersey and I

3:11

imagine a lot of maggos

3:13

have heard a lot about the

3:15

South Bronx and I don't think after

3:17

watching Fox News I don't see them

3:19

attending. You know Donald Trump is

3:21

alluring though. They may they'll run up to

3:24

the old Navy get their flag shirts their

3:26

tiki torches from party city and just head

3:28

on over. You never know. Well

3:32

now I'm gonna enter my plea for sympathy

3:34

as producer of the show because it's hard

3:36

to keep the writing original when the same

3:38

people said the dumbest shit week to week.

3:40

Can I give you two one guess which

3:43

show we're gonna play a clip from? Your

3:45

best friend. Well my best

3:48

friend. All right I mean it's

3:50

either Jesse Waters show or The

3:52

Five. It's The Five. Okay. Yeah

3:54

okay. It is also Jesse Waters

3:56

on The Five so. Oh of

3:58

course. Oh here. guide. And

4:01

they caught him. They trapped him in a cage. We

4:03

called a courtroom, but it's a cage. And

4:05

he's like King Kong. And they're sending

4:07

Matt out down there and she's looking at him like an

4:09

animal. She's like, Oh man, his hair is

4:12

really orange. Look

4:14

at his eyes. Look at his lips. He's

4:16

angry. He's mad. He's upset.

4:18

Watching them. They're not providing any sort of legal

4:20

analysis. Joy Reed went down there. He's like, well,

4:22

he's bigger than I thought he was. I mean,

4:24

they're acting like it's like a zoo creature. And

4:27

what happens with King Kong? You remember? Boom.

4:30

It's not going to be good. So he's going to bust

4:32

out of this cage eventually. They're not going to be able to

4:34

keep him down. They killed King Koga. Yeah. He

4:37

took a white woman on top of a building and it

4:39

was found upon in the 40s. Oh

4:43

shit. You

4:48

know what happened to King Kong. You don't know

4:50

what the fuck happened to King Kong. Dummy. Oh,

4:54

he's so deliciously stupid.

4:57

When you're getting corrected by Tyrus.

4:59

Oh my God. It's

5:02

a bad day here for him. Which really

5:04

takes something for him. Oh

5:09

my God. That was

5:11

amazing. It was honestly like, he's

5:13

like, oh my God. They're looking

5:15

at him like a zoo animal.

5:17

Like now a courtroom is a

5:19

cage and he's an animal. Like

5:21

they're so fucking fragile. Like the

5:24

victimization. It's like you want, they

5:26

want to be both tough and

5:28

then like the flakiest, the

5:30

second flaky people. It's wild to me.

5:32

Oh, poor Donald Trump. People are looking

5:34

at him. He's made an entire career

5:37

of look at me, look at me,

5:39

look at me. Dehumanizing

5:42

people is the brand, which also

5:44

funny enough. What did Jesse

5:46

Waters get his stark television doing?

5:48

Oh, he was Bill O'Reilly's guy who would

5:50

go out and do racist segments where he

5:52

literally looked at people of color like they

5:54

were animals. All right. Well, I'm

5:57

going to admit I haven't kept

5:59

surveillance on. former heads of the arts, the

6:01

DNC's press tests are in their tenure. But

6:03

I'm going to go out on a limb

6:05

and say that red's previous and Howard deed.

6:07

We're not doing press hits like this one,

6:09

Lara Trump did on Alex Stein show. Get

6:12

back to Laura, get back to Laura. We

6:14

got to end this correctly. Okay. Laura, you've

6:16

been a great sport. You've been a great sport.

6:19

And I just, this last question, your father in

6:21

law, he, he used to

6:24

go on the show called the Howard Stern show a lot and

6:26

Howard Stern stuff now. And I got in

6:28

trouble by a few of the executives here. We

6:31

had a wholesome Christian comedian. Her name is Hannah

6:33

Cruz. She has a big tick talk and she

6:35

has a great lovely family, kids and everything. And

6:38

I wasn't thinking, and this is a free speech

6:40

network. So I don't ever want to censor our

6:43

guests or you. I asked her

6:45

if it was okay. If you're married to have

6:47

anal sex. And that was a big deal. I

6:49

asked that. I asked that because I said, is

6:51

that legal? And I would never, I

6:53

just want to say, Laura, I would never ask you a discussion question.

6:56

I would never say anything like that. This is a

6:58

free speech.

7:01

If you have, you know, if you want to say, if

7:03

you wanted to give your opinion on it, you're welcome. But I'm

7:05

not, I would never ask you anything about that. Hold

7:08

on. I have a question. Is it legal

7:10

to do? Yeah. Well, you know, they say

7:12

sodomy is illegal now. Yeah. And the Bible is

7:14

illegal in the Bible to do that. Like with

7:17

your husband, of course. I mean, as far

7:19

as I'm concerned, um, once

7:21

you were married, everything is legal.

7:24

And everything that everyone enjoys, whatever

7:27

it may be. I see it.

7:29

Oh my God. I love you. See, you're such

7:31

a good sport. Everything's legal. So my wife and

7:33

her boyfriend, whatever they do, it's totally legal, but they're

7:36

on a lot of drugs when they do that. So

7:38

when they do drugs, that's legal too. Even though my

7:40

wife and her boyfriend, I mean, you

7:42

know what? If they're in the confines of their own

7:44

home and they're not hurting anyone else, maybe you should

7:46

just let them do what they want. So when you

7:49

come home and kick them out, obviously, what

7:51

the hell did I just listen to? Like

7:54

literally Andy, you just beat me

7:56

to I Was going

7:58

to utter the same thing. What

8:01

The fuck. Would

8:04

I found this today? I was like can

8:07

even put this on the show this

8:09

is so demented and then I was

8:11

like know we have to show the

8:13

people who these people are, What the actual

8:15

fuck did I just listened to bunch

8:17

of other things I appreciate as I

8:19

couldn't find how long this she was on

8:21

this broadcast but they were still calling

8:23

her by the wrong name which everyone

8:25

does calling her war instead of Berra

8:27

Yeah I was actually wondering if I didn't.

8:30

Miss pronouncing it almost. no. I've

8:32

never heard of Out Stein before.

8:34

this by our terrific. Actually,

8:38

I need a pay increase the

8:40

like us subsidies air. You.

8:42

Don't I kept us a gig of

8:44

is the famous Paul Joseph Watson or

8:46

tweet that says that the left is

8:48

very worried because am right is getting

8:50

and learning. Nice uber if that's the

8:52

right already. Humor and edginess and really

8:54

not scare and he should ask her

8:56

about tagging. Said

8:58

oh my god a week. And

9:00

we. Are

9:03

we allowed to say this? And I. Think. South Protect.

9:05

Well, unfortunately that we're going to take a

9:07

much darker turn up to the phone we've

9:09

had. So I don't

9:12

often put trigger warnings from Eclipse but at

9:14

this point of your triggered by domestic violence

9:16

I would skip to the interview porsche the

9:18

show anyway. I think this is burnt as

9:20

here we have a white nationalist races child

9:23

virgin and so mix went as screw You

9:25

may remember from having dinner with Donald Trump

9:27

and Project and hanging out with Paul Ghosts

9:29

or Marjorie Taylor Green his guitar what he

9:31

thinks would make America great again. Guys

9:35

are those that pretend to

9:37

be the most tops lamps.

9:39

They've got their done it

9:41

twice. In

9:44

their ear. And we

9:46

both know I've never gonna punch

9:48

or the face, never had a

9:50

killer there's it's just like the

9:52

woman. Know. It's not even in the

9:54

cards. not in the deck. Okay, gonna open

9:56

up a pack of cards and it's not

9:58

in. there's. Zero for. chance. Okay,

10:01

it's never gonna happen. He's

10:04

never gonna cheat. There's

10:06

no rape. There's no, in

10:08

other words, there's no actually

10:12

male power coming

10:15

from the man. Like the

10:17

man is not a beast. The man is

10:19

not an animal. He doesn't have power because

10:21

he would never abuse whatever power that he

10:23

has and therefore he doesn't have it. And

10:27

so because the woman knows

10:30

the man totally, doesn't fear him,

10:32

is completely comfortable and kind of

10:35

bored with him, she doesn't ever

10:38

really respect him. And

10:40

that's when the power dynamic I think

10:42

changes. Again, what the

10:44

fuck did I just listen to?

10:47

This is disgusting. Honestly,

10:49

the fact that this

10:52

is even on anyone's airwave

10:54

and I say this

10:56

all the time. I'm not a lawyer. But

10:59

like, how are you promoting

11:01

domestic violence? How are you

11:03

promoting murder and rape and

11:05

there is no FCC charge?

11:08

How are you able to

11:10

just go unregulated to the

11:12

point where there are people,

11:14

there have been mass shootings

11:16

that have been executed by

11:19

these incel type of

11:21

men against women in

11:23

this country. And this

11:26

is what they are listening to

11:28

and just allowed to because what?

11:30

Like this is the protective freedom

11:32

of speech that we do here? That was beyond

11:34

anything that I have that I've ever heard. Yeah,

11:36

I don't really have anything to add to that.

11:39

I don't even want to make a joke. Because

11:41

that is just so fucking gross.

11:43

So I have the benefit of having

11:46

the visual of this is his background

11:48

is a fake skyline of New York

11:50

as if he's broadcasting from one of

11:52

the high towers that Fox and MSNBC

11:54

broadcast from. And the funny thing about

11:56

these people is that they were always

11:59

cosplaying. Because honestly, no

12:01

one would recognize him as it is

12:03

because no one pays attention to this

12:05

fucking loser. But if he ever was

12:07

walking the streets of New York and

12:09

people knew what he said in these

12:11

beliefs, it wouldn't go well for him.

12:13

No, I wouldn't think so. It's hard

12:15

to believe he's an incel. I

12:18

should also say the context of what was happening

12:20

there before is he was extolling that he is

12:23

a more tough guy than other men because he

12:25

doesn't have a woman in his life. He's

12:28

never going to have a woman in his life.

12:30

He's not going to have a fucking like AI

12:33

in his life. Do you understand? Like

12:36

not even a fucking hologram wants

12:39

that piece of shit. Like so

12:41

he don't have to worry. There's nothing, no

12:44

bit of fucking worry here that this man

12:46

needs to have. Danielle, you just gave me

12:48

the best idea for a sequel to the movie

12:50

Her. Oh my God. Not,

12:53

we call it Not Them. Yes,

12:55

yes. Not them. Where Scarlett

12:57

Johansson goes, I can't even fucking do this

12:59

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14:16

Folks, I am very happy

14:18

to welcome to the new

14:20

abnormal Brazilian journalist and the

14:22

author of Soul by

14:25

Soul, the Evangelical Mission to

14:27

Spread the Gospel to Muslims.

14:29

Adriana Kahanka. Thank you so

14:31

much. Absolutely. I

14:34

think that we are all aware for, I mean,

14:37

must be centuries, must be thousands

14:39

of years at this point of

14:41

the idea and the concept of

14:43

missionaries, of Christians

14:45

going around the world into

14:49

different parts of the world to

14:52

spread, quote unquote, the

14:54

gospel of Jesus Christ.

14:57

I think that for so long,

14:59

it had been characterized as goodwill.

15:01

We just want to spread the

15:03

word. Talk to us

15:05

about what you are reporting

15:08

on in this book, Soul by

15:10

Soul, and why it needs to be

15:13

something that is on our radars.

15:15

Yeah, like as you said, it has

15:17

been on for millennium,

15:19

right, more than a millennium,

15:21

more than two millennia. The

15:23

first missionaries were actually the

15:26

apostles, right, who started

15:28

spreading the messages that they believed

15:31

had learned from Jesus,

15:33

from the son of

15:35

God. And they started spreading that in

15:38

different directions. And

15:40

sometimes we have an idea of Christianity

15:43

as a homogeneous

15:45

movement, but it has

15:47

never been. It has always been a

15:50

very ethnically diverse

15:52

movement. So even

15:54

the apostles, they went

15:57

in different directions and they preached it

15:59

to different. groups of

16:01

people in the Middle East at

16:03

the time that who spoke different

16:05

languages and there were not a

16:07

church at the time, right? It

16:09

was just these people who

16:12

had heard Jesus and started spreading the word

16:14

and for 300 years it was like that.

16:18

It's like just the people

16:20

sharing this message. And

16:23

of course the message was

16:25

shared with different aspects,

16:27

with different understanding. So

16:29

you have like very

16:31

early Christianity, consoles that

16:33

were organized to decide on

16:36

what directions the religion was

16:38

going because there were actually

16:41

disagreement about the message

16:43

spread. So that was for

16:45

the next 300 years until

16:47

in Rome the emperor became

16:50

a Christian himself and then

16:52

allowed Christianity to spread throughout

16:54

the empire and to the

16:56

west. And then you

16:58

have in parallel to that the rise of

17:01

Islam in the Middle East. So

17:03

you have a religion that

17:05

starts in the Middle East but

17:07

moves western and becomes very much

17:10

linked with that advance of

17:13

western power. Europe and then the

17:15

US. It was brought to the

17:17

US by the Puritans, right? Who

17:21

were descendants of the Anglican

17:24

church in England and

17:26

they thought to reform that church.

17:28

They couldn't reform the church as

17:30

they wished. So they came here

17:32

to the US actually to with

17:34

the idea of founding

17:37

this godly Commonwealth. It was

17:39

pretty much a missionary enterprise

17:41

from the beginning. And then

17:43

you have in parallel

17:45

to the advance of the

17:47

United States as a superpower,

17:49

the advance of the missionary

17:51

movement as well. Because

17:54

those Things are linked together. Talk

17:56

To us about how and why

17:58

they're linked together. right? Because what

18:01

this really comes down to it

18:03

as I understand and and you

18:05

please correct me if I'm wrong

18:08

is about power. When we're talking

18:10

about initially, let's say colonialism. You're

18:12

talking about manifest destiny. You're talking

18:15

about land grabs. I write any

18:17

mention of land, but in the

18:19

way that you are discussing this,

18:22

this isn't necessarily about land is

18:24

about people, that about masses of

18:26

people. And when you look at

18:28

the numbers, Christians, Don't have

18:30

the same numbers that muslims

18:33

do. Islam has billions of

18:35

people so so talk to

18:37

me about the power and

18:39

all his inner length. So

18:41

if you if you look

18:43

at the beginning of the

18:46

missionary movement in the Us

18:48

it was really follow we

18:50

basically us diplomats and and

18:52

troops. Whatever the would go

18:54

meet certain areas would go

18:56

with them. Sometimes us foreign

18:58

policy benefited from missionaries. Because

19:01

they are in this on the

19:03

grounds that you know they relate

19:05

to people, they are among the

19:07

people. sometimes he was the other

19:09

way around it or a most

19:11

of the time the other way

19:13

around because it's theme costs you

19:15

know they you. Whereas advancing territory

19:17

elites these missionaries work or are

19:19

under the protection. Of the

19:21

power that was advancing. And

19:24

this happened in in a rope

19:26

as well. right? So the first

19:28

missionaries wait to eat it. Under

19:30

British rule want to Pakistan or

19:32

to those areas to India. right

19:35

to Britain, the former British Raj.

19:37

It That's when the first missionaries

19:39

are. Right there it's difficult

19:41

to the tangle with extension.

19:44

Of western power from

19:46

christianity and all. Just

19:48

as it's also difficult

19:50

to to the tango

19:52

to to separate. The

19:55

advance of his lung from.

19:57

The oil he is like

19:59

or the Arabia because both.

20:01

My the countries. That. Are

20:03

sign main thing. Missions and

20:06

Islam and Christianity are basically

20:08

the to missionary religion. Christianity

20:11

was born out of mission.

20:13

It's a central character of

20:15

christianity. see six beginning in

20:18

the air. In Islam you

20:20

has sectors of Islam that

20:22

are missionary like what the

20:25

Wahhabi ally? any of Islam?

20:27

Who who that was born

20:29

in that Saudi Arabia is

20:32

highly missionaries. So. They findings

20:34

are the building. Of mosques across

20:36

the Muslim world or even in Europe.

20:39

At the same thing else pastors

20:41

all I had am university him

20:43

Egypt's Also add those that to

20:45

be more modern times as Saudi

20:47

Arabia any around it began fighting

20:49

for the control, the narrative and

20:51

love the culture and for them

20:53

at power in the Middle east

20:55

and oh the two countries that

20:57

both are islamic it but they

20:59

follow different it's lines of slum

21:01

one is so need the other

21:03

East she here and was windy

21:05

begin they. They have site for

21:08

souls you feel will he

21:10

get to lot and face

21:12

if i'd be a both

21:14

started financing mosques and years

21:16

later. We saw in Iraq and

21:18

Syria, even armed groups. And so

21:21

Christianity is more of a the

21:23

same eighty something cause the Us

21:25

as a superpower. The rise of

21:28

Us as a Superpower was seen

21:30

by protesters as a sign of

21:32

God's power. Gods are choosing the

21:35

three times. actually they thought they

21:37

were.chosen people to build did this

21:39

kingdom of God to here. So

21:42

it's interesting that the Us with

21:44

although. There is a diverse

21:46

see. A flu that a t

21:48

of religion in the country the

21:51

Us was behind it. out off

21:53

a Missionary enterprises which was there

21:55

for the sun coming here. And

21:57

once in Serbia days, New Jerusalem.

22:00

if you will, and the advance

22:02

of the US happened in

22:04

parallel to the advance of

22:06

America as a superpower. And

22:08

then you have a turning

22:10

point in beginning in the

22:12

19th century, then you can

22:14

mention, you know, technology, the

22:16

advance of technology, the advance

22:19

of transport, who allowed

22:21

these people to really reach

22:23

out to the entire world.

22:25

And then you'll be gone,

22:27

what we call the modern

22:30

missionary movement, which has this

22:32

turning point of this watershed

22:35

moment, which is 1974, when Billy Graham convened

22:40

a conference in

22:42

world evangelization in Lausanne,

22:45

and Lausanne in Switzerland.

22:47

Why Lausanne? Probably because

22:50

it was closer to the headquarters of

22:52

the World Council of

22:54

Churches. And you began in

22:56

that moment, what we call

22:59

the modern missionary movement that

23:01

was basically led by

23:03

evangelicals, who are

23:06

the majority today among the

23:08

protestants. The World Council

23:10

of Churches was a more left

23:13

leaning organization. So you see

23:15

during the Cold War, the

23:18

World Council of Churches, they

23:20

embraced the revolution in Latin

23:22

America, they embraced this

23:25

very left wing movement in

23:27

Latin America that was head

23:30

by priests. That's called the

23:32

liberation theology that happened in

23:34

the Cold War. So Billy

23:36

Graham started to see

23:38

this division among, you

23:40

know, conservatives and liberals,

23:43

and he wanted to unite everybody

23:45

under his own tent, which

23:48

is evangelical and conservative. And

23:50

then he convened this first

23:52

major congress in

23:55

Lausanne. And from there, if you

23:57

look at that moment in Brazil,

23:59

for example, the largest Catholic

24:01

country in the world and the

24:03

largest country in Latin America. At

24:05

the time, Brazil had 36 missionaries.

24:08

Now, Brazil is the second

24:10

largest sending country of missionaries

24:13

to the world behind only

24:15

the US. That's extraordinary. Yeah,

24:17

and that's the moment the

24:20

turning point was exactly

24:22

there. It's interesting how Christianity

24:24

made a journey across the

24:27

world. So it begins in

24:30

the Middle East. It was

24:33

officialized, if you will, in

24:35

Rome, in Europe. It comes

24:37

to the new world with

24:39

the fully times. And

24:41

then you have the first

24:43

clash of religions

24:45

within Christianity, which is

24:48

the North America evangelical

24:50

majority evangelical, Protestant and

24:52

evangelical. And you have

24:54

the South, the largest

24:57

Catholic stronghold in the

24:59

world, the Catholic missionaries,

25:01

the Jesuits began arriving

25:03

in South America in the 1500s. Let

25:08

me ask you this about where we

25:10

are in the present day, where

25:12

you follow two newly,

25:14

right, I guess, converted

25:17

people, missionaries who are

25:19

right, Brazilians, luis and

25:22

jis, who are working

25:24

in Afghanistan alongside two

25:27

South Africans, right, and

25:30

Nigerians and all religion

25:32

and politics, and wealth,

25:35

and power are all intertwined.

25:38

And what I find really

25:40

interesting is the missionaries that

25:43

are in these countries that

25:45

have great conflicts. And when

25:48

the new refugees arrived, the rush

25:50

to try and convert them. So

25:52

can you kind of explain, like,

25:54

I guess the strategy that you

25:57

can't that you uncovered in the

25:59

profiles of these people? It

26:01

all goes back to this watershed

26:03

moment in 1974 where

26:06

evangelical leaders from around the globe

26:08

meet for the first time and

26:10

perhaps for the first time they

26:12

have a true sense of a

26:14

global family. You know, as they

26:16

call it, the global body of

26:18

Christ. So you have

26:20

this massive wave of evangelicals

26:22

going to Latin America and

26:24

to some extent to

26:27

Africa and converting these people

26:29

to evangelicalism. And

26:31

then their goal is to convert

26:33

the whole world. And

26:36

the way they see it, you

26:38

mentioned how they go to these

26:40

vulnerable places. The way evangelicals see

26:43

that is that vulnerability, war and

26:45

poverty has a single

26:47

reason, and that is not

26:49

knowing Jesus. That's how they see it. I'm

26:51

not saying that I agree. I'm a secular

26:54

journalist. So I'm not saying that I agree

26:56

with it, but that's how they see it.

26:59

So you have these

27:01

Argentinian strategists who live

27:03

in the U.S., Louis

27:05

Boushif, who organized the

27:08

Christ-crossed data about poverty

27:10

and war in the world

27:12

and the groups that hadn't

27:16

heard from the gospel, hadn't heard the

27:18

gospel yet. And what

27:20

appeared in his computer was this window

27:22

that was back in 1989. It

27:25

was this window that they called the 1040

27:28

window, the 10th parallel and the

27:30

between the 10th parallel and the

27:32

4th parallel, where the

27:34

majority of Muslims and Buddhists

27:37

and Hindus live and also

27:39

the majority of the 4th. So

27:42

the way they came to frame the mission

27:44

was that you are saving these

27:47

people from war and poverty by

27:49

converting them to Christianity. And

27:52

then you have a move turning to

27:54

the east to convert to the Muslim

27:56

people, especially after the Cold War, because

27:58

we saw the war. for the Cold

28:00

War, they were concentrated in communist

28:03

countries. After the Cold War, they

28:05

turned east to convert Muslims. And then you have

28:07

9-11. And what

28:09

happened after 9-11 was that

28:11

the fields became two dangerous

28:13

for American missionaries. This same

28:16

man, Louis Bush, at a

28:18

conference of the Lausanne movement

28:20

said, well, we have this

28:22

massive number of

28:24

people in Latin America and Africa who

28:26

could go in our place.

28:29

So instead of continuing

28:31

sending American missionaries to

28:34

the Muslim world, they started

28:37

equipping, training, financing,

28:39

mobilizing this army,

28:42

if you will, to fight

28:44

for souls in their place. And

28:46

that's the reason why Brazilians became

28:49

the second sending country of missionaries.

28:51

And you have Colombia and Mexico

28:53

among the five largest sending countries.

28:56

So they went to fight for

28:58

souls because it was too dangerous

29:00

for America, especially Americans, especially after

29:03

the Iraq and the Afghan wars.

29:05

But the movement is financed largely

29:08

still by the US. Your

29:11

book, and this has been incredibly

29:13

riveting, because I think, again,

29:15

what it goes to show

29:18

you is that the push

29:20

for power really comes back to

29:22

the numbers and really

29:24

comes back to the masses and what

29:27

areas. I personally say, I'm not saying

29:29

that you're saying this, but I'm saying

29:31

where there may be vulnerabilities,

29:34

there may be areas

29:36

of duress and war and

29:38

upheaval. And it's almost, I

29:40

will say, because we have to leave it

29:42

here today, is incredibly

29:44

opportunistic, but it's all intertwined

29:47

into the push of what

29:49

encases a superpower. And I

29:51

think that your book really lays that out.

29:53

And I'm just, I'm really thankful that you

29:55

came on the show today to give us

29:58

some insight, I really appreciate it. your time

30:00

today, Adriana. Thank you so much. Hope

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