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featuring two first time guests here

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on the MK show. Remember that

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viral, you ain't black. If

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you're not voting for me, comment by

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then candidate Joe Biden during the 2020

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can thank my next guest for that one.

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the new book, Get Honest or

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I mean, welcome to the show. Please, Megan, thank you

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for having me. How are you? I'm great, it's

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so nice to meet you. You've made so much

2:06

news with politicians and other cultural figures

2:08

over the year, many of which we

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played on this show, the sound bites

2:12

thereof. That one with Joe Biden

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just went completely viral.

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And then I saw you on The View

2:20

yesterday where they were trying to zero in

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on you and Biden and this presidential race.

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And those ladies really, really, really wanted you

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to say that you endorse

2:29

him. You didn't wanna do

2:31

it, but eventually you admitted,

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okay, it's kind of a binary choice here.

2:35

I mean, it's basically a binary choice and

2:37

that you're not gonna vote for Trump. So

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why wouldn't you just be explicit about

2:42

it? I wondered about the hesitation. Simply

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because I'm not a fan. And

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I don't think that an

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endorsement, like for people think that me not

2:54

wanting to endorse means that I'm not voting,

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which I think is the strangest thing ever.

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There was another moment in that conversation where

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I even said, hey, that's third party candidates.

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Whoopi told me she'll beat my behind if

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I bring up third party candidates. So

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I just think it's kind of strange

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where we are as a culture and

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as a society, where it's almost like

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there's either one of two extremes. And

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if you're a person who just simply chooses

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to be objective, simply chooses

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to look at both

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candidates and say, hey, I think there's some

3:25

right things here, there's some wrong things there,

3:27

there's some good things here, there's some good

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things over here. Like just me being able

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to explore both options are all

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options that are out there. For some reason, it bothers

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people. And I don't understand why. They

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were really pressing you. They were like,

3:41

dude, Biden is solid. They wanted you

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to go to your audience and say

3:45

vote for Biden. And it was

3:47

very strange. Like, you've got some magic wand

3:49

that's going to turn that thing. If you

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just say, I endorse. Can I

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ask about third parties? Would you consider

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RFKJ? I

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mean, I've looked at all of them. I've looked at

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Mary Ann Williamson. I've looked at Cornel West. Like

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I've looked at all of them. I've been looking

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at third party since, you know, 2016. Like,

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you know, like 2016, people

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would say we didn't have the best options,

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right? But I felt like Hillary Clinton was,

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you know, overly qualified to be president, but

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it's not like I didn't explore everything. I

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explored after, after president Obama, I explored everything.

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I explored conservatives. I explored, you know, the

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Green Party. I explored Democrats. I feel like

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that's what you should do as

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an American citizen. You know, I don't think the

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two party system, you know, has been,

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has been the best thing for us here

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in America. And I don't think there's anything wrong

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with exploring, exploring everything. I'm actually shocked that there

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hasn't been a third party candidate that's been able

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to come along and like really

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galvanize people, especially being that America seems

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to be, you know, so disappointed in

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the choices that we have now. Mm-hmm.

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Do you think that there is like

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more pressure on you to

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quote, endorse because you're black and

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there's a presumption that you have

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some influence with black voters who

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not by huge margins, but by

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some margins are migrating from the

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Democrat to the Republican party, or at least from

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Biden to Trump? I

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think, I think people, I don't know if people are,

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and I see the numbers, like I think I said,

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like 22% of people, 22% of

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black people may vote for Donald Trump. I think

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that number's overstated a little bit, but my guy,

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Tim Ryan, you know, who used to be a

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congressman in Ohio, Tim Ryan always, well, senator

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in Ohio, I'm sorry. Tim Ryan

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used to always, he talks about the

5:31

exhaustive majority. And I think that's

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what most people are in this country,

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where the exhausted majority. So it's not

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even just about being tired of, you

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know, Democrats are being tired of Republicans.

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People are just tired of politics, period,

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you know? And I think that's what

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you're seeing a lot of now, like even,

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you know, having the conversation about, you

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know, who I'm choosing to vote for. Listen,

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I've said it over and over, what I think

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about both candidates, right? And

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it's only... I

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don't know what's going to happen between now and

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November. I don't think much is going to change,

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but if these people want people to be, if

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these parties want people to be more energized about

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their candidates, maybe they should just run better candidates.

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I don't think it's that.

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I don't think it's rocket science. You,

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in the book, you write about

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your background. You grew up pretty

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poor in a single

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wide trailer and spending most of your time

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running around through the woods and

6:28

had very hardworking mom had a more complicated relationship

6:31

with your dad. Did you ever think that that

6:33

kid, right, who was learning how to catch a

6:35

rattlesnake on his spare time, would

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be in the position now where it's like your

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magic words of, I

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endorse this candidate would

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be so important to

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political TV shows and pundits? No,

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not on that aspect. I always knew

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that I was here to

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do something. I always felt that in my spirit.

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I used to be in my grandmother's yard in

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Munchkin, South Carolina, and the field, like there used

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to be a field in front of her yard

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that used to separate my grandmother's house and like

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my cousin Gloria's house. And it's back when I

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was smaller, the field seemed so big, but it's

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actually not that big. But I used to always

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be acting like I was on a stage and

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I used to be acting like, you know, I

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was performing right and it was always like I

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was in a rock band and then, you know,

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as I got older, it was like I was

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a rapper. So I always knew that I was,

7:24

you know, supposed to be

7:27

delivering some kind of message. And this is, might sound

7:29

kind of crazy to some people, but I remember meeting

7:31

a medium back

7:33

in 2006. And,

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you know, he said to me, he goes, you know, he was

7:38

just talking to me and he said, you know, you're going to

7:40

achieve a lot of your goals relatively easy, but I just want

7:42

you to know that, you know, when

7:45

you get the way you're supposed to go, you're here to deliver a message. And

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that same medium told me that he

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saw like a microphone in my future

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and he was talking about radio and

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he said he was

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naming different radio personalities and it was not just

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a radio, but a radio. spooky at the time,

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but it was just like, he even told me

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I was gonna have a daughter. And

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that was in 2006. I had my first daughter until

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2008. So long

8:09

story short, I always knew, I ended

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up having four. Long story short, I always knew that

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I was here to, you know, be

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on a platform of some, some sort. But I

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didn't know that it would be, I

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didn't know I would be Captain Saver Joe in an

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election. You

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know, I think I read the book and I

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really enjoyed it. And I think what

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makes you special is your extreme

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ability to be introspective, reflective

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about your life, to

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keep challenging yourself, to keep changing,

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keep growing. And you're very,

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very honest about what you perceive as

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your own shortcomings, whether it was early

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on in your marriage, something you addressed,

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whether it was the life lessons you took from

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your dad and your uncle, and you're sort of growing

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up, which you realized as an adult weren't so

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great. Or even write down, Joe,

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we don't have to get into it. But like

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the size of certain man parts that you like,

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Howard Stern, put it

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out there, Charlamagne, I have to say you're

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a brave man. I

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don't know if you call it brave. I just I

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think that we lack self-awareness, man. And I think that

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one of the main reasons that, you know, a lot

9:14

of people just aren't being honest

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with themselves, which is why the book is called

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Get Honest or Die Aligned, is because it's so

9:21

easy to be real with other people, but it's

9:23

so hard to be real with yourself. And you

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know, they have all of these cliche terms, like

9:28

I keep it real. But usually the people who

9:30

keep it real can only do that with others.

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But man, when that mirror gets in front of

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them, it's very hard for them to have those

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like super honest conversations with themselves. And my whole

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life, that's what I've, you know, challenged myself to

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be just honest. Because, you know, my dad used

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to always tell me something when I was young,

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he was like, man, when you lie to me, you're

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not lying to me, you're lying to yourself. And

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that's something that just always stuck with me. And you

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can kind of tell the people who

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are lying to their self in our society. And

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I went away on a spiritual treat

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earlier this year, me and my wife. One of the things that

10:03

came up for me during that

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time away was, stop lying to

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yourself and stop volunteering those lies

10:10

to other people. That's literally

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what I wrote this book for. I wrote this book for

10:14

people to stop lying to themselves and stop volunteering those lies

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to other people. All right.

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I've got to read you this because my fourth

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grade boy was at

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an end of year ceremony just two

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days ago and my husband and I went. Their

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fourth grade teacher read to this class of boys,

10:30

the following poem, which speaks exactly to what

10:32

you're saying. I cried, I'm not going to lie. You're a

10:34

dad, you can be able to relate, but it's

10:36

called That Guy in the Glass. It's by

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Dale Wimbrough and it goes as follows. When

10:41

you get what you want in your struggle for self and

10:43

the world makes you king for a day, then

10:45

go to the mirror and look at yourself and see

10:47

what that guy has to say. For

10:49

it isn't your mother, brother, or friends whose judgment

10:52

you must pass. The person whose

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verdict counts most in your life is

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the one staring back at the glass. You

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can go down the pathway of years receiving

11:02

pass on the back as you pass, but

11:04

your final reward will be

11:06

heartache and tears if

11:09

you cheated that guy in the glass. That's

11:12

exactly what you're saying. That's the theme of your book in some

11:14

ways. Powerful words. Whoever

11:16

that was who wrote that, they remixed Michael

11:18

Jackson's Man in the Mirror. I

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just want you to know I'm

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talking about the man in the

11:24

mirror. Yeah.

11:26

I'm telling him to change his

11:29

way. That's all that is. But whoever wrote

11:31

that is absolutely, positively true. The hardest thing

11:33

for us to do is look in the

11:35

mirror every day and be honest with ourselves.

11:37

I literally challenged myself every

11:39

day. I wake up every day and before

11:42

I'm honest with anybody else,

11:44

before I'm telling anybody else about what I

11:46

think they may be doing wrong, or if

11:48

I give them compliments on what they're doing

11:50

right, I talk to myself first. That

11:53

inner voice in your head, the things

11:55

you tell yourself are really the most

11:57

important. That's what I do every morning. It's

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something you've worked at, you've cultivated.

12:05

You talk in a book about the therapy you've

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been through all the way down

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to, I don't know if this didn't exactly come from

12:11

your therapist, but you have a spiritual guru

12:13

in your life as well. And the

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tree hugging, you're a tree hugger,

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but not exactly in the Green

12:20

New Deal sense in a

12:22

different kind of way. Yeah.

12:25

It's a chapter called Tree Hug the Black. And

12:28

I just talk about the benefits of

12:30

doing things like forest bathing, walking around

12:32

in your yard with your shoes off

12:34

and your socks off and just doing

12:36

grounding exercises, going up to trees, putting

12:38

both hands on the trees, putting your

12:40

forehead on the tree, taking a few

12:42

deep breaths, saying a prayer. Sometimes

12:46

just sitting shirtless with

12:48

your back to the tree. Me

12:51

and one of my spiritual advisors, her name

12:53

is Yadiaba, we laugh because she always says,

12:56

straight out in the ground, face down, ass up.

12:59

And just let the earth, just feel

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the earth. And man, you'd be surprised

13:03

how when you're stressed out or if

13:05

you're battling about a depression

13:08

or your anxiety levels are high, you'd be

13:10

surprised how that just brings you right

13:12

back to center. And we used to laugh

13:15

back in the day at the people who

13:17

used to consider themselves tree huggers. You'd

13:20

be like, oh man, they just high. Everything

13:22

is great when you're high. And guess what? Making

13:25

me right. Making you high. Walking around, doing some

13:27

grounding in the backyard. Even when you're not high,

13:30

it really does feel great and it really

13:32

does bring you back to center in a real

13:34

way. I like the beach too. I

13:36

like walking barefoot on the beach. I

13:39

would hope the only time you're

13:41

walking on the beach is barefoot. But walking on the

13:43

beach barefoot, going in the ocean, being

13:46

in the ocean, looking right up at the sun, saying

13:48

a prayer directly from the water to the sun, man,

13:50

all of that brings you back to center in such

13:52

railways. I know you say in the

13:54

book, if you're feeling

13:57

self-conscious about hugging a tree, of actually

13:59

hugging a tree. putting your face up against

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the tree. Start small, maybe just sit with

14:03

your back up against the tree so people

14:05

don't think you're crazy, but you could kind

14:07

of graduate to a full five minute hug

14:09

of a tree and it actually could be

14:11

transformative. That's such a beautiful way of dealing

14:13

with anxiety, which you admit you have dealt

14:15

with for years, versus just

14:17

taking a pill, which is what the medical community will

14:20

push on you these days. Oh,

14:22

absolutely. You know, I'm not against, you

14:24

know, anybody who needs medication, you know,

14:26

for certain things, but you know, personally,

14:29

I've never had to use it. I remember my father,

14:31

even when I was young, when they were trying to

14:33

put me on like Ritalin as a child, you know,

14:36

my father was like, no, you know, back then, no,

14:38

it wasn't, you know, he don't

14:40

need Ritalin because he don't need to just

14:42

be on medication. He don't need no Ritalin,

14:44

he needs Asby, right? So, but even now,

14:46

it's like, I don't, we don't, we don't

14:48

necessarily, medicine shouldn't be the first option

14:51

all the time. You know, I feel like, you know, this is a

14:53

glorious earth that we're on. And

14:55

like, there's a lot of natural remedies and

14:58

holistic remedies that we could be, you know,

15:00

tapping into that bring us those

15:02

same results, a lot of those things in

15:04

the pharmaceutical world too. So

15:08

how did you make it so big

15:10

in radio and now podcasting too, with

15:13

the kind of anxiety that you

15:16

suffer from? And as you were growing up, you

15:18

talk about how it was very much social anxiety.

15:20

How did you get over that? How do you deal

15:22

with that to this day? That's

15:25

the strangest thing about anxiety, right?

15:27

Like anxiety creeps up on

15:29

you at weird times. It's those times

15:31

when you're just literally laying

15:33

on your couch at home, and

15:36

then all of a sudden you get up and you start

15:38

checking to see if all the doors are locked. Right?

15:41

Or, you know,

15:43

like you can be laying on the

15:46

couch and there's a ceiling fan going and you

15:48

just start thinking to yourself, what if that ceiling

15:50

fan, you know, flies off and like cuts my

15:52

head off? Like it's just the stupidest, strangest things.

15:54

But when it comes to like getting

15:56

in front of a microphone and

15:58

talking to millions. of people.

16:00

Yes, there's a level of anxiety there.

16:03

But for some reason, it doesn't give

16:05

you, you know, those

16:07

same panic attacks of

16:10

just going through regular everyday life. I

16:12

have no idea why I'm able to

16:14

get in front of a microphone and,

16:16

you know, talk to millions

16:19

of people effortlessly. But I

16:21

can't be in a party with 50

16:23

people without wanting to go home,

16:26

you know, because I'm already having a

16:28

panic attack. Because I'm thinking about, you

16:30

know, the worst possible scenarios happening. I

16:33

am too, but it's usually that guy over there is going to come

16:35

over here and talk to me. It's not about the ceiling fans. Oh,

16:37

God, I don't want to do that. That

16:40

is actually another reason I wrote

16:42

this book. That's why I think small

16:44

talk sucks, because I don't think

16:46

they understand when you're a person who's

16:49

already dealing with anxiety, and you've

16:51

had to say prayers and do breathing

16:53

exercises and put your beads

16:55

on, right? And all your other things

16:57

just to show up in the world.

16:59

The last thing I want to do

17:01

is have a meaningless conversation

17:03

with a stranger. Like at least come

17:06

into my life or come up to

17:08

me and bring me a conversation of

17:10

value that may ease, you know, whatever

17:13

it is I got going on. I

17:16

tell a story in the book about – I tell

17:18

a story in the book how I was at the airport, and

17:20

you know, I'm a person who's been

17:22

attacked in the street a couple of times, right? Like right

17:24

here in New York City, you know, just for things that

17:26

I've said on the radio. Like, you know, back in the

17:28

day, though. Not anything recently, but like over a decade ago.

17:31

And you still have that PTSD from things like

17:33

that. So I'm at the airport, and this guy

17:35

comes up to me, and he's

17:38

trying to talk what he's like not

17:41

really saying anything. So automatically,

17:43

I'm on alert. And

17:45

then he finally goes – he's stuttering,

17:47

and he's telling me that he has a

17:49

speech impediment. So he's asking me

17:51

to bear with him while he gets out

17:54

what it is he's trying to get out. He

17:57

cut the small talk, you know? told

18:00

me exactly what it was from the

18:02

beginning. So that one little moment eases

18:04

my anxiety and lets me know, okay,

18:06

this person isn't a foe. He's

18:09

not any type of opposition in any way, shape,

18:11

or form. He just has something he wants to

18:13

say to me and it's hard for him to

18:15

get out. And if that individual who has a

18:17

speech impediment can let me know that,

18:20

we can do the same thing. We should be

18:22

able to tell people, hey, man, I don't wanna

18:24

talk about that right now. And if

18:26

we ever- We never linked social anxiety

18:29

to the hatred of small

18:31

talk. I have to say, I too

18:34

hate small talk and have

18:36

a fair amount of social anxiety, not anxiety

18:38

in the regular lane, but social anxiety. And

18:41

I had never linked the two. This is

18:43

actually an insightful

18:45

thought that one is

18:47

causing the other because I like you and

18:49

much more comfortable when the conversation is substantive.

18:53

Yes, and you think about it, right? It's a

18:55

link because when somebody says,

18:57

okay, Megyn Kelly, you have to be

18:59

this place at seven o'clock at night,

19:01

you're already dreading all the things you

19:03

know you have to do in order

19:06

to get to this place. And if you

19:08

got something to do the next day, you're

19:11

like, I'm going at seven, I'm gonna be

19:13

out by eight, I wanna be back home

19:15

in my bed by nine o'clock. And I

19:17

hope when you get there, you're thinking about

19:20

all the conversations people wanna have with you,

19:22

you're thinking about what people are going to,

19:25

try to get from you. Because a lot of it is people just trying

19:28

to take from your energy

19:30

at these places. It's not a lot of pouring

19:33

into you when you

19:35

go to these events. Go ahead. So

19:38

stuff like that, man, it's like, yes, it does cause

19:40

a lot of social anxiety. And it's another reason why

19:42

I keep telling people, small talk

19:44

sucks. I do not like it in any

19:46

way, shape or form. And it's not even just about the small

19:49

chitchat either, Megyn, it's about how we make

19:51

these micros, macros nowadays. So most of the

19:53

things these people are coming to talk to

19:55

you about, they're not big issues, but folks

19:57

act like they're the biggest issues in the

19:59

world. And so when the actual big issues come across

20:01

our desk, we don't even know how to talk about them, you

20:04

know If we even choose to talk about them at all Mmm,

20:07

and that you sound right now to me

20:09

like jocko willing the badass Navy

20:11

seal who's like the godfather of all Navy seals who

20:13

he came on the show and I was talking to

20:15

him about All the stuff we argue about

20:17

all the day every day all the day and he was like

20:20

just don't give it any energy whatsoever You

20:22

know, you just the way you solve these things that you just

20:25

you don't even talk about them You don't I'm like, well

20:27

there goes my whole career. I mean doing

20:31

No, I don't think you talk about small

20:33

talk I think I think that there's a

20:35

lot of macro issues that you discuss that

20:38

we both discuss, you know And it's not

20:40

that you're not gonna ever have any small

20:42

talk I just want us to cut down

20:44

on it and I want us to get

20:46

into you know Just talking about the big

20:48

issues talking about the macro issues and things

20:50

that actually matter the things that actually You

20:52

know impact us as a society

20:54

and I think social media does a

20:56

horrible job, you know at discussing the

20:58

macros I think social media is the

21:00

place where micros go to

21:03

become macros and if these Small

21:05

issues that really don't even matter and you know,

21:07

you know, they don't matter because the conversation about

21:10

them doesn't even last It'll

21:12

last 12 hours at best

21:15

give it 24 24 hour news

21:17

cycle is Stretching

21:19

it nowadays if something lasts 24 hours, I'm shocked

21:24

There's a lot of good advice in here

21:26

for young people who and

21:28

you make fun of yourself And I could relate to

21:30

this too about how every generation is like this next

21:32

generation sucks They're lazy back in my

21:35

day, you know barefoot to school both ways

21:37

No But you do raise

21:39

the point of like telling younger people today and

21:41

you have a lot of fans who are young

21:43

in your audience You're not entitled

21:45

to anything. You should

21:48

bring a fair amount of humility to your

21:50

next job It's hard work and elbow grooves

21:52

grease that are gonna get you ahead and

21:54

not a sitting around thinking why is life

21:56

so unfair? That's right.

21:59

Yeah, the more things change, you know, the more they think the same.

22:01

So, you know, as we

22:04

live in a society where everything looks like

22:06

it's easier than what it actually is, because

22:08

of social media, like, you know, my guy,

22:10

you know, Pastor Steven Purdy, he's

22:12

actually from my hometown, Moscone, South Carolina, he has this

22:14

quote, when he says, social

22:16

media is literally everybody's highlight

22:19

reel. So you're comparing your real life,

22:21

you're comparing the process that you're, you

22:23

know, going through in life to somebody

22:26

else's highlight reel. And because of that

22:28

highlight reel that people are constantly

22:30

posting, we feel like we can

22:33

just skip steps, we feel like we can just,

22:35

you know, skip the process, like everything, you know,

22:38

takes time, like, there's no such thing as,

22:40

you know, getting pregnant, and then having the

22:42

baby the next day, you know, you get

22:44

pregnant, and you carry that baby from for

22:46

nine months for a reason, there's this, there's

22:48

different trimesters for a reason, it's a process,

22:50

you know, there's a process of coals going

22:53

to diamonds, right? Like, it's all a process.

22:55

And this generation, you know, feels like they

22:57

can just skip the process, only because of

22:59

social media, because it's so easy to walk

23:01

down the street, and see somebody else's fandom,

23:03

and take a picture in front of it,

23:06

if that's your thing, and then post it,

23:08

and then everybody will be putting 100

23:10

emojis in your comments, like you're out here

23:12

doing the, you're out here

23:14

winning, it's not even your car. It's like, I

23:17

just try to tell kids, I try

23:19

to tell the younger generation, you can't

23:21

escape the process, and you got to

23:24

have patience, patience is another lost art

23:26

nowadays, because of social media,

23:28

because you have all of these people

23:30

lying about where they are in life.

23:33

Right, and how they got there, and it's definitely not,

23:36

you, you write in a book

23:38

about how you had a time

23:40

in which you were dealing, doing drugs,

23:43

and I think dealing drugs. And that's

23:45

sort of the birth of your stage

23:47

name. A lot of our audience

23:49

was asking in the comments before you came on,

23:51

what, where, what is Charlemagne the God? And there

23:53

actually is a very interesting explanation

23:55

behind it. Can you tell us? Yeah,

23:58

I come from a very small town in Mont- North, North,

24:00

South Carolina, the population now is probably like 10,000, 11,000 people.

24:03

When I was growing up, it was like 6,000 to

24:05

7,000. So like everybody knew

24:08

each other. And so when I did

24:10

get into, you know, selling, selling crack,

24:12

like I would wear a hoodie and

24:15

I would tell people my name was

24:17

Charles because I knew that

24:19

if I told them my name,

24:21

Leonard, right, they would be like, Oh,

24:23

that's Larry's son or Oh, that's,

24:25

that's Julie's son. And it

24:27

was so funny, Megan, that the people who

24:30

were buying crack would go tell my parents

24:32

that I was selling it. Okay. When

24:34

they wouldn't tell my parents that they were buying it,

24:36

you know, even though people knew. So Charles was just

24:38

like a Monica that I, that I started running with

24:40

and that I was in night school because I got

24:42

kicked out of two high schools. I got kicked out

24:45

of Berkeley high school and then I got kicked out

24:47

of Scrapodai school. So I was in night school reading

24:50

a history book and I saw the

24:53

Roman emperor Charlemagne was

24:56

French for Charles the Great. And

24:58

he went about spreading religion and

25:01

education. And I literally just said to myself,

25:03

that is a cool name. I already called myself

25:06

Charles. So I'm going to just start calling myself

25:09

Charlemagne. And, you know, back then I used to

25:11

rap. So it was a cool rap

25:13

name and I always said it would look good

25:15

on a marquee or on the front of a book. And

25:17

I think I was right. And

25:20

it does. It's that. And where did the guy come

25:22

from? My husband, Doug has resolved to start using that

25:24

after many phrases after having seen me reading your book. I

25:28

study, I study the five percent teachings, you

25:30

know, and in the five percent teachings, they

25:32

teach that, you know, God is a Greek

25:34

word, the rhyme, the Aramaic words, which means

25:37

with the strength and beauty in the first

25:40

letter of each word was used by Greek

25:42

students when they would identify their Egyptian teachers.

25:44

And so it kind of really doesn't make

25:46

any sense because Charlemagne is Charles the Great

25:48

and Dennis the God. So it's Charles the

25:50

Great, the God. But, you know, man, I

25:53

was 17 and smoking

25:55

a lot of weed back then. But you know what, it

25:57

also makes sense to me because the book does spend some time on. Positive

26:00

messaging and how you

26:02

talk about the astronaut theory and how when we're raising our

26:04

kids We can't we don't

26:06

want to overcorrect so much against everybody gets

26:08

a trophy society That

26:11

we veer into cynicism with our

26:13

kids like now you I

26:15

mean, let's be realistic You're not actually going

26:17

to the NFL. Maybe you should channel your

26:19

energies a different way. You're very much against

26:21

that I think the positive uplifting name

26:24

for yourself is totally in line with now.

26:26

I know how you parent your own daughters

26:29

Absolutely. And you know, I got I got four daughters

26:31

and when they ask me when they tell me they

26:33

want to do things I don't shoot it down because

26:35

I had older people in my life who did that

26:38

to me I tell a story in one of my

26:40

my first books this is my third book, but I

26:42

tell a story in my first book black privilege about

26:44

how Um, I had a I had a

26:47

Cousin aunt she was like my mom's my mom's

26:49

cousin, but she was also like an aunt to

26:51

me as well. And I remember just Talking

26:54

about all of these big plans I had and all

26:56

of these things I wanted to do with my life

26:58

And I remember she said to me don't set your

27:01

goals so high You know don't

27:03

set your goals so high because if you don't reach

27:05

them You're going to be disappointed and I paused for

27:07

a second and I said that is the stupidest shit

27:09

I ever heard in my life Like

27:11

why would you ever tell a child that like I

27:13

wasn't even a child? I was like, I

27:15

don't know 1920 but I was like, why would you ever tell

27:17

anybody that so my thing with my kids when

27:20

they want to do something? Yo,

27:22

let's try it out. Like I got a one

27:24

of my one of my daughters recently started soccer

27:27

and you know, she she liked it at first

27:30

Past couple of practices. She don't want to go why

27:32

she said it's too hot out I

27:35

don't want to be out there in that heat I'm not going

27:37

to force her to go out there And then

27:39

do the sock if she doesn't want to if

27:41

she because if you genuinely love something you're going

27:43

to want to do it Regardless, right? That's how

27:45

I was with radio. It didn't matter that I

27:47

wasn't making any money. I've been doing radio 26

27:49

years I just started making money really really in

27:52

radio till probably my I don't know 12th

27:56

year in radio. So it took a long time, you

27:58

know, I started doing radio in I

28:00

didn't start really making money until probably 2010. But

28:05

I loved it. So that thing that you love

28:08

to do that is probably going to change your life

28:10

is that thing that you're going to do for free.

28:13

So if she doesn't want to go

28:15

do soccer, I'm not going to pressure to do

28:17

it. But I'll give it an

28:19

opportunity to commit

28:21

to that at this point in your life. So

28:23

I want to ask you this because you're very

28:26

positive in your messaging. You're real, but you're positive

28:28

in your messaging. And then there was a chapter I wanted

28:30

to ask you about, which is 16. This

28:32

wasn't you. It was Aaron Magruder,

28:35

who was the man behind the Boondocks comic strip. And

28:38

it was only chapter I was like, wow,

28:41

well, this is not positive. This

28:43

is some stark stuff. And it's about

28:45

race. It's about defamation. Yeah,

28:47

it's about race in America. And it's about

28:49

us allegedly

28:52

being a white supremacist

28:54

country and Republicans

28:56

don't do shit for poor white people,

28:59

but they still vote Republican and they do

29:02

it because if they were to vote Democrat,

29:04

the N word would benefit. It's got a

29:06

lot of incendiary thoughts on how evil Republicans

29:08

are because they really just exist to keep

29:11

the black man down. And

29:13

it's not you, but you put it in

29:15

your book by this guy, Aaron Magruder. So what

29:18

are your feelings on that? I

29:21

think Aaron is expressing an

29:23

emotion and feelings and saying

29:25

things that a lot of people

29:27

feel. A lot of people in the

29:29

black community absolutely, positively feel like that, but it's not

29:31

even just Republicans. I

29:33

just feel like government in general. I think

29:35

that there's been a lot of systemic things

29:38

that have been done to black

29:40

people in this country to put black people

29:42

in certain positions in this country. And there

29:44

hasn't been enough systemic things done to get

29:46

us out. I think one of

29:48

the main critiques of the Democratic

29:50

Party is they are

29:53

supposed to be the party that

29:55

represents us and supports us and

29:58

people don't feel like they have... that we've

30:00

fought hard enough for black people.

30:02

That's why every presidential election cycle,

30:05

we're back having these same conversations

30:08

about Democrats going out there

30:10

and earning the black vote.

30:12

Like if Democrats had done

30:15

historically what they say

30:17

they are going to do for black

30:19

people, they wouldn't

30:21

be in this position every four years where

30:23

they're out here trying to push me to

30:25

endorse. What do you think that is? Like, what do you

30:27

think that is? Because I know there's a divide between the parties

30:29

and some factions of the country that the

30:31

Democrats, when we keep hearing them saying things,

30:34

we heard Biden at the Morehouse College the

30:36

other day saying with a very dark message

30:38

about this country that the country doesn't love

30:40

you back as a young black

30:42

graduate and talking in

30:44

very negative terms about what their futures look like.

30:47

And you contrast that just to what

30:49

Barack Obama said in front of the

30:51

same audience eight years ago, was very

30:54

uplifting and also empowering. Like, you

30:56

can do it. You can make a difference in this

30:58

great country. You have nothing but blue sky ahead of you. Very

31:01

different stark messages. What's

31:04

in chapter 16 sounds more like Biden. So

31:06

how do you see it? More like Biden,

31:08

more like Obama? Well,

31:10

I think I would like to see it

31:12

more like President Obama. And the reason I

31:15

would like to see it more like President

31:17

Obama, because as he said, these are his

31:19

words, the audacity of hope. Like you have

31:21

to be optimistic. Like I'm optimistic because I

31:23

was raised on a dirt road and you

31:25

know, Mount's corner in South Carolina. My mother

31:27

was an English teacher. The

31:30

most she ever made was $30,000 a year at

31:32

one point. My father was a

31:34

great guy who had a lot of flaws,

31:36

right? And he was a construction worker, but

31:38

he also had his own mental health issues.

31:40

And he dealt with substance abuse.

31:43

And I'm not supposed to come out

31:46

of that circumstance, but

31:49

because I was able to come out of that circumstance and

31:51

just because of Other conversations I've

31:53

seen from people who come from environments like

31:56

mine, I have to have the audacity of

31:58

hope. I have to have... The door

32:00

optimism but also have to deal with

32:02

reality to been a source. Is this

32:04

the interesting that you have club President

32:06

Biden would go to more house and

32:09

you know make those statements when a

32:11

lot of those issues those problems teeth

32:13

contributed to the know what it was.

32:15

He noted that the eighty six mandatory

32:17

minimum sentencing you a weather was the

32:19

a crack law the night before crime

32:21

bill is a lot of things that

32:23

he though girl contributed to and regard

32:26

to keeping the old Doug that the

32:28

of the black man down. For.

32:30

Six the whole though this is interesting that

32:32

he would go to more house and and

32:34

and top like that you had President of

32:36

the United States of America. You are a

32:38

person that you know we are looking to.

32:40

You know. It and and least. If

32:42

not change some of those things to

32:45

speak the choosing somebody thing because you

32:47

contributed to so much that. When

32:50

you think and ten scott his South

32:52

Carolina at. Still reportedly on the

32:54

shortlist toward becoming Trump's V P.

32:57

He says is firmly believes America's not

32:59

a racist country. At belief I share.

33:02

You. Know

33:04

a highly disagree with that a me. And

33:07

quoted Systemic racism in the country. I

33:09

don't believe every single white person in

33:12

America is races, but there is. There

33:14

has been systemic racism like viewed like

33:16

a yes or one hundred percent sure

33:19

have nothing. Look at it every. everything

33:21

from he those slavery the you know

33:23

jim crow laws turn red lining to

33:26

the a war on drugs I guess

33:28

like the act the act like they're

33:30

is that systemic racism in this country

33:32

is still eleven fool the day. Twenty

33:35

Twenty Four and is like to think

33:37

that Democrats who run the education system

33:39

and largely the criminal justice system and

33:42

so many so much of government today

33:44

who pride themselves and being deion in

33:46

our anti racist and all that that

33:48

that they're running these massive racist organizations.

33:51

Would seem as well as which is even some of them.

33:54

Will. You have to have the the I programs

33:56

because the emigrated. From. something like

33:58

that tell you that these systemic

34:01

racism still exists because you still have to have

34:04

programs like that to ensure that there's

34:06

diversity, to ensure that there's equity, to

34:08

ensure that there's inclusion. So

34:10

yes, systemic racism absolutely still exists in

34:13

America. It's not something, it's something that

34:15

we can dismantle, but we have to

34:17

want to dismantle it. And the only

34:19

way we're going to dismantle it is

34:21

if we first acknowledge that

34:23

it exists. Like as I say in the book,

34:25

and it's a great quote, you just can't heal

34:28

what you don't reveal. I don't think

34:30

any of us do ourselves any favors

34:32

by acting like these things

34:35

don't exist. I

34:38

think the difference between where you are and where I am

34:41

is I acknowledge everything you said about this

34:43

country and its history. We had a couple

34:46

rough 200 years from

34:49

the foundation with slavery and then through the Jim

34:51

Crow laws. But then we got to a place

34:53

where we passed the 1964 Civil Rights

34:55

Act, and we had

34:58

a revolution in the country to start

35:00

looking at this differently. And when I grew up in

35:02

the 80s and the 90s, race

35:05

relations had vastly improved.

35:08

We were hanging out with one another, not thinking

35:10

about skin color all the time. We actually instituted

35:12

affirmative action programs, which were upheld under law, even

35:14

though they're not totally consistent with our constitution. But

35:17

we did all of that because we understood

35:19

the history. And now we're in

35:21

this place where it seems to

35:23

be flipping to what Kendi says, which is

35:26

anti-white racism. That's fine. That's how

35:28

we're gonna remedy the remnants that

35:31

are still left over the past. And I think that's causing

35:33

more racial division. Am I wrong? I

35:37

think social media makes us

35:39

think that certain things, I

35:44

think social media amplifies certain things on purpose.

35:47

And we have to be very careful about

35:49

that because we don't even know a lot

35:51

of these conversations are real on

35:53

social media. I Still

35:55

believe that Cointel Pro is alive and well. And

35:57

I Think that a lot of times these conversations.

36:00

That have been on social media really

36:02

just happened to keep was all having

36:04

a whole lot of small talk. Having

36:06

a whole lot of small talk about,

36:08

you know. Foolishness

36:10

and nice is like the it like anti

36:12

white racism. Like what? What is that? You

36:14

would have to tell me what that is

36:16

like, What is what it's like. I like

36:19

when. He's. Pushing Care What Candy says is

36:21

the answer to past discrimination is future

36:23

discrimination and present discrimination against those who

36:25

perpetrated at notwithstanding the fact that. We

36:28

have nothing to do with what happened in

36:30

the eighteen sixties that we weren't around. It

36:33

wasn't as if wasn't Most of our ancestors

36:35

and most of us have a completely open

36:37

minded attitude toward are black and brown friends

36:39

and would never do anything to hurt them

36:42

or see them as less than and we

36:44

don't want us or our children being punished

36:46

because of sins of the father, grandfather, great,

36:48

great, whoever. Got. Of yeah

36:51

can't I can't speak well. Blurb you will cause all

36:53

black people aren't monolithic. Would you know all of

36:55

black people that I know. Leaders. Only quality

36:57

you know they want to be. they they they

36:59

want to be treated. You. Know fairly. they

37:01

don't want you to walk outside and now

37:04

you know a police officer harassed him just

37:06

because of the color, the color of their

37:08

skin. You know the don't want to be

37:10

you know denied a job Law know a

37:13

place to stay. He go just because of

37:15

the color scheme. Will want to be black

37:17

supremacists, We don't want hooks We don't want

37:20

to. You know be would you know white

37:22

supremacists words to black people like that night

37:24

in the lead. The black people I know

37:26

that not would would would would were up

37:29

there in in in any way shape. Or

37:31

form. While I

37:33

think the messaging of the

37:36

block on empowerment and possibilities

37:38

and. Getting. Honest as as

37:40

it's called, getting honest are dying. lying on

37:42

Israel. A ton of sense and I hope

37:44

we can continue this conversation. I know you

37:47

gotta run, but. I. Have so much more I

37:49

want to tell you about. It so please come back. We. Got

37:51

aca com america like symbol minutes if you want

37:53

to talk and are you now have grown. Out

37:56

there in a lot less slip. Keep rolling.

37:58

The hence are. You owners and. Can

38:01

we spend a minute on politics? Because I am interested

38:03

in your thoughts on it. Because I know you're not

38:05

a fan of Trump. And

38:07

I think that you think he's

38:09

racist, but you tell

38:11

me because I look at Biden's history of comments

38:13

and I'm like, Oh my Lord, including to you,

38:16

that thing about if you're not going to vote

38:18

for me, you ain't black that's listed on the,

38:20

on the tally of the racist or racially insensitive

38:22

things he said. You know,

38:24

what's, what's the more interesting conversation for me?

38:27

And this is, I'm glad you brought

38:29

that up. In regard to Trump,

38:31

why does nobody ever talk about him

38:33

being unpatriotic?

38:36

Like not, like not being patriotic. And what I mean by

38:38

that is if he says he

38:40

wants to suspend the constitution to overthrow

38:42

the results of an election, or, you

38:44

know, his lawyers were in court and his

38:47

lawyers were like, well, he never agreed

38:49

to support the constitution. Or we saw

38:51

him, you know, uh, attempt to lead

38:53

a lead and attempted coup of this

38:55

country, like there's, that's

38:57

just unconstitutional. Like why does

38:59

nobody ever say he's

39:01

not a patriot? Like why does that

39:03

discussion never come up? Because when I

39:05

think about it, when I think about how mad, you

39:07

know, uh, you know, uh, conservatives seem

39:10

to get sometimes when they see people,

39:12

you know, taking a knee, right

39:14

at, at, at football games and they

39:16

call that, you know, not being patriotic,

39:18

how come nobody ever says, you know,

39:20

wanting to suspend, you know, the

39:23

constitution to overthrow the results of an election?

39:25

How come nobody ever says that's not patriotic?

39:28

Yeah. Well, I mean, there's no question. I don't

39:30

know what specific you're referring to,

39:32

but I've seen Trump truth social posts

39:34

that speak to exactly what you are

39:36

saying. I don't know about in court,

39:38

but he's suggested things like that. Um,

39:42

I'm not going to defend that. I

39:44

think, but, but

39:46

here's the thing. So, and I don't defend Trump's

39:48

behavior after January 6th at all. I don't think

39:51

he behaved well in any way, shape or form,

39:53

but I just think that there are bigger issues. And I

39:55

think if you're going to talk about actions

39:58

that are extra constitutional. There

40:00

are sins, I mean grave sins

40:03

on both sides, but especially on Biden's side.

40:05

You know, the end around he did on

40:07

the Supreme Court on some of the COVID

40:09

stuff, on the rent

40:11

abatement possibilities, on now the

40:13

student loans that he's not allowed to be

40:15

doing, but he's trying to find a way to

40:17

do it anyway, on trying to get Trump

40:19

off the ballot so that voters can't vote

40:21

for him on using the justice system for

40:24

the first time in almost 250 years to

40:27

go after a political opponent, all

40:29

those things. They don't make me say, yay

40:32

for all the stuff Trump did post

40:34

January 6th, but even the

40:36

playing field for me more where I'm like, I'm

40:39

just going to vote on who I think is

40:41

going to get the country in the best shape.

40:44

I think that's what most people are, but you know, even what

40:47

you said just now, it's kind of like

40:49

the Spiderman meme, right? Because you know, you

40:51

can say those things about President Biden, but

40:53

then you point to Donald Trump in January

40:55

6th, you can also point to Donald Trump

40:57

trying to find 11,000 more

41:00

votes in Georgia. And

41:03

you know, we always know voter suppression is a thing.

41:05

So it's just like, listen,

41:07

man, I just don't believe in politicians period.

41:10

And as I said

41:12

earlier, anybody that wants me

41:14

to endorse a politician at

41:17

this point, then y'all have to put out

41:19

some better candidates and put out some people

41:21

that I believe in. Because

41:23

I don't believe in any of them. But to

41:25

your point, I'm not sitting

41:27

out the election in November,

41:29

which is something that I would also like

41:32

to just put on record. I've never told

41:34

anybody not to vote. Now, I've had conversations

41:36

with people and I've said, I understand

41:39

why people don't want to, but

41:42

I think that you should still get out there

41:44

and vote for, you know, who you think can

41:47

keep this country on course. You

41:49

know, like for me right now,

41:51

I feel like I'm voting to

41:53

preserve democracy because

41:56

I've read Project 25. I don't know

41:58

how you feel about it, but, you know, Project 25,

42:00

it's very terrifying

42:02

to me. And like I

42:05

said, we've seen what Donald Trump has

42:07

attempted to do on January 6th. And

42:10

hearing rhetoric like, I want to suspend

42:12

the Constitution to overthrow the results of

42:14

an election. That's scary.

42:16

That's not the kind of America

42:19

I want to live in. Well,

42:21

what do you think about Joe Biden bragging

42:23

that he's doing ends around the Supreme Court,

42:25

which is what he just said this week

42:28

on this so-called student loan forgiveness, which essentially

42:30

means the truckers listening to us right now

42:32

are going to have to pay off the

42:34

student loans of the rich college elites, something

42:36

he was told by the Supreme Court,

42:39

he didn't have the power to do.

42:41

He's not a king. And he's out

42:43

there bragging that he's doing ends around

42:45

them, notwithstanding rulings he's forced to follow.

42:47

Like, that stuff too is extra constitutional.

42:49

His refusal to enforce the border

42:51

law, extra constitutional. I mean,

42:53

he could have been impeached for just what's

42:55

happening along the southern border alone. Not to

42:57

mention him having classified documents and all the

43:00

other laws that he has allegedly broken. I

43:03

look at him and I think he's got no

43:05

moral high ground. I

43:08

don't think either one of you cannot talk about

43:10

anybody standing on a moral high ground when Donald

43:13

Trump is on the other side. I

43:16

don't think either one of them

43:18

can talk about standing on moral high ground.

43:20

But when it comes to doing things like

43:22

the student loan debt, this

43:24

might sound crazy. But I know this

43:26

is why people like certain elected

43:29

officials. I feel like this is why

43:31

some people like Trump. I

43:33

think people have no problem with

43:36

you bending the rules or

43:38

breaking the rules if there's

43:42

a tangible benefit to it. I think

43:44

that a lot of people like Trump

43:46

and they support Trump because they know

43:48

Trump is willing to go hard for

43:50

who he

43:52

considers his base. Now, like

43:54

Aaron said in Defibitation in my book, he's

43:58

convinced, he's poor. You

44:00

know, white voters, and he is for

44:02

them, but their conditions aren't getting any

44:04

better either, you know? And I think—

44:07

But I have to say that the economy

44:09

was much better under Trump, and the voter—poll

44:11

after poll after poll reflects that. Sure,

44:13

but it never trickles down to the poor. And

44:15

I don't even understand why we keep acting like

44:17

it does. Like, you know, it's like you'll

44:20

see people say the economy is great. You know,

44:22

stocks are up. The people I'm talking about

44:24

don't have no stocks. The

44:26

people I'm talking about that live in those rural

44:28

areas and most corners of South

44:31

Carolina, like where I'm from, they don't know nothing

44:33

about no damn stock market. They can't see past

44:35

their bills. All they're trying to do is keep

44:37

some food on their table and a roof over

44:39

their head. My first—and we've been laughing about this—

44:41

No, but, Sean, under Biden, inflation

44:43

has risen to plus 17 percent,

44:45

and then some still hovering what—and

44:47

these people are paying almost 30

44:49

percent more on certain things like

44:51

foods, and not to mention gas

44:53

prices. That's all under Joe Biden

44:55

because of his spendthrift ways, because

44:57

he's just dumping the people's money

45:00

on all sorts of legislation, the so-called

45:02

Inflation Reduction Act and the COVID relief that

45:04

didn't have to go through when he first

45:06

took over. All those things

45:08

have consequences. Trump— Listen, I'm not—

45:11

He kept on slow. Listen,

45:14

the poor was still poor under

45:16

Trump, and Trump had—Trump, they convinced a

45:18

whole bunch of poor white people to go out

45:20

there and vote for him, but their conditions have

45:22

not changed. I guarantee you, if you would do

45:24

amazing— I think they changed for the worse. I'm

45:27

not saying Trump solved it. Yes, absolutely. But

45:29

they changed for the worse under Joe Biden. And

45:32

the thing is, they think they worry about immigration, right? Immigrants

45:34

coming in with cheap labor, taking the jobs that

45:37

were available to them. That's

45:39

all happening under Joe Biden in record

45:41

numbers now. Like,

45:43

they—the kitchen table issues

45:45

that people vote on have gotten

45:47

worse under Biden, were better under Trump. There

45:50

was A black focus group in—what

45:52

state was it, Steve? Was South Carolina—no, was

45:54

it—it was Georgia. That Happened just the other

45:56

day. The MSNBC Went down and conducted, and

45:58

they asked these black people— Voters were talking

46:00

about all voters not just black. But

46:03

why would you vote for Trump? like what do

46:05

you think? Think as they said they're going to.

46:07

Here's what he said. We executed up. Easily

46:11

support Donald Trump. Or lose

46:13

yourself review as this file change

46:15

your opinion even cause you to

46:17

waver. Plus that at all know

46:20

if I'm actually cause me to

46:22

report him more about I just

46:24

don't believe as a coincidence that

46:26

are we have a trial our

46:28

in there were no are we

46:31

have one happening in New York

46:33

Photo Christian people are beginning to

46:35

ask themselves whether the if I

46:37

want now. I talked to many

46:40

people who formally identified as a

46:42

democrat. They have changed their political persuasion

46:44

to independent and they are looking forward

46:46

to running for Trump fighters and now

46:48

they find something in common with a

46:51

political candidate at that level. When you

46:53

say they find commonality, what a what

46:55

is that commonality. Persecuted

46:57

by the system or the mountains.

47:00

And just as it's not a

47:02

stretch for them to think that

47:04

Trump may be a victim as

47:06

well. And

47:08

it was more on his Charlemagne where they said they think

47:10

you'd be a stronger leader. In dealing

47:12

with some of our adversaries, Ah

47:16

yeah I can see what he was sure

47:18

that their way about this groggy lead a

47:20

boy or I hate that whole conversation about

47:22

slow people. Agree with black people gravitate towards

47:24

drugs because you know we've been feel persecuted

47:26

by the system need be birth it's been

47:28

people do but as he uses the know

47:31

style job as a person who has reaped

47:33

the benefits of this is to be the

47:35

white male. Rich privilege, admit.

47:38

That. Is the reason that you know

47:40

these trials have even taken so long

47:42

to happy because they were even dragging

47:44

their feet. America has no a system

47:46

in place the even prosecute a person

47:48

like like like Donald Trump they never

47:51

thought to be would have a former

47:53

President of United States of America by

47:55

date. They like. low so

47:57

i i i disagree with or without a

48:00

I disagree with all of that wholeheartedly.

48:02

Now I do feel, if

48:04

you ask me why people, the

48:06

black people, some black people I know have

48:09

gravitated towards Trump, a

48:11

lot of them talk about money, right? Like

48:13

they talk about the stimulus checks and they

48:15

talk about the PPP loans, right? And what

48:17

I would tell them is, yeah,

48:20

you got some extra money in your pocket, but

48:22

at what cost? At

48:24

what cost? Because think about the circumstances

48:26

that happened in order for you to

48:28

get that money in your pocket. Millions

48:30

of people had to die because

48:33

of COVID, because of Donald Trump's poor planning

48:35

in regards to COVID, of him getting rid

48:37

of pandemic teams. The stretch to blame COVID

48:39

on him. I mean, I think we have the Chinese for

48:41

that one. But he did

48:43

get rid of the pandemic teams that were in place to kind of

48:45

at least slow down things, slow

48:50

down and help people. Oh, come on. What do we

48:52

have Anthony Fauci? I think that's a fair thing to

48:54

blame on Trump because he should have turped that guy

48:56

out long before. I

48:58

feel like, I think Trump could have handled COVID

49:00

better. And I don't wanna see, I do, I

49:02

want more Americans to

49:06

get more money in their pocket, but now that

49:08

the expense of millions of people

49:10

dying because of, let's just say

49:12

poor planning from the government and you have

49:14

to say the administration that was in place

49:17

at that time, because it was the Trump

49:19

administration in place during that time. All right,

49:21

well, we'll put a pin in that one and going

49:23

back over COVID is just a bummer in general, but

49:25

there is a lot more to discuss. You've got a

49:28

busy day ahead promoting the book and I wish you

49:30

all the best on it. To be continued, I

49:32

hope, yes? Yes, but that's why

49:34

I like these conversations. That was not small

49:36

talk. We did not have small

49:38

talk the last 10 minutes and we

49:41

disagree and didn't disrespect each other in

49:43

no way, shape or form. We had

49:45

conversation and wasn't confrontation. Can't America learn

49:47

something from this, Megan?

49:49

Yes, right on. All

49:51

right, don't forget, buy the book today. It's

49:54

called Get Honest or Die

49:56

Lying by Charlemagne the God.

49:58

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51:01

across the country, parents are fighting

51:03

against the sexualization of their children

51:06

in the schoolhouse. It's absurd. It

51:09

keeps happening over and over and

51:11

over. Many school

51:13

districts allow sexually explicit,

51:15

and I do mean

51:17

explicit, pornographic books disguised

51:20

as children's books in school

51:22

libraries. Our next guest

51:24

has played a unique and special and

51:26

important role in trying to get these

51:29

books removed from the school libraries. You

51:31

want to feed your kid this stuff

51:33

off of Amazon in your own time?

51:35

That's up to you. To me, it

51:38

looks like child abuse, but we don't

51:40

want it in our school libraries, something

51:42

my next guest knows personally and has

51:45

been working to stand. He's

51:47

also worked to promote Christianity in the

51:49

process. His speeches at school board

51:51

meetings have gone viral. That's how we first got

51:53

to know him. We saw some of these, and

51:55

we've played some here on this show. He may

51:57

be familiar to you. John

52:00

Amanchukwu is a preacher and activist,

52:02

and he's also the author of

52:04

the new book, Hoodwinked,

52:06

10 Lies Americans Believe,

52:09

and The Truth That Will Set Them Free,

52:12

which is out next week. John, welcome

52:14

to the show. Thank you

52:16

so much for having me on,

52:18

Megan. I feel like I have

52:20

arrived. I feel like I'm

52:22

in a Michael Jackson concert. I'm shaking and

52:25

trembling. I'm about to fall out of my

52:27

chair, so please come catch me. Thank

52:30

you so much. The

52:32

pleasure is all mine. I feel like

52:34

I'm meeting one of my heroes. We've

52:37

been watching you from afar, celebrating your

52:39

moments, your viral moments. No

52:41

one does it quite like you do it,

52:43

and you have left school board after school

52:45

board flabbergasted and not

52:47

knowing what to do. It's

52:49

brilliant. So just give us

52:51

a little bit on your

52:53

background and how you got

52:56

to be this fierce warrior against the

52:58

nonsense we're seeing in the social lane

53:00

right now in America. Well, at

53:02

the age of 19, I joined the

53:04

Upper Room Church of God in Christ

53:07

and met who is now my father-in-law and

53:09

pastor and bishop, Bishop Patrick Lane Woodin, Sr.

53:13

And back in the early 2000s, before

53:16

these things became a pandemic as it

53:18

relates to the pornographic materials that are

53:20

in our schools, he was going

53:22

out to school board meetings then, early

53:24

2000, talking about it. And

53:27

so I went to the right church, and

53:29

we're taught to have a

53:31

biblical worldview and to

53:33

see the world through the lenses

53:35

of scripture. We're called

53:37

to engage the culture. And

53:40

when there are cultural issues that are taking

53:42

place, the church is called to speak to

53:44

it, not to hide in the tuck tail

53:47

and run from it. And so

53:49

I've been a part of this ministry for the past

53:51

20 years. And about

53:53

two years ago, I heard word that there

53:56

was a young lady at a school in

53:59

Chatham County who was being... demonized because of

54:01

her Christian faith. And so after

54:03

hearing about that, I drove 45 minutes to a

54:05

school board meeting, spoke and gave

54:07

an address there, not knowing that that

54:09

message would go viral. And they'll land

54:11

me as the number one voice speaking

54:14

out at school board meetings nationally. Yes,

54:16

I mean, honestly, if I see anything in our schools,

54:18

I don't think I will because we chose non-woke

54:21

schools. I'm calling you first. Like,

54:24

you can deliver the message like no one can.

54:26

Let's give the audience just a little flavor. Let's

54:28

play the montage of John reading from some

54:30

of these pornographic books in front of these school boards

54:33

so people can get a flavor. 13

54:36

Reasons Why by Jay Asher, currently

54:38

in Storm Grove Middle School and

54:41

Freshman Learning Center, page 265. As

54:45

if letting him finger me was

54:48

going to cure all our problems. I'll

54:51

stop you there. But in the end, I never

54:53

told you to go away. Please, sir, stop it.

54:55

Roll back and forth from here to here. He

54:59

needs to be removed. Yeah, go black

55:01

now. Please, please. Page

55:03

127. My clits,

55:05

my clits swell up. Thanks, daddy.

55:08

Daddy, sick me. Disgust me.

55:11

But still, he sex me up.

55:14

Page 53. My pee pee

55:16

open, hot, sticky down. My thighs

55:18

splatter, splatter. I'm seven. Seven,

55:21

she said. Look you,

55:23

look you, don't even bleed. Virgin

55:25

girls bleed. This needs to

55:27

be removed tonight. We

55:30

have six men on this board. And

55:34

I want to say to these men that's on this

55:36

board, if you don't remove this

55:38

book, you're either a punk or pervert. If

55:41

you leave it in here, you're a punk or

55:43

a pervert. You gotta go, let's go, let's go.

55:45

Go, go, go, go, go. And

55:48

the police are removing you from the

55:50

microphone by that point. It's incredible

55:52

that they've been sicking the police on

55:54

you to get you so offensive are

55:56

the words you're reading from the books

55:59

in our children. children's school

56:01

libraries. It's

56:03

so true. I've now spoken in 14 states,

56:05

amassed nearly 300 million views. I've

56:08

been able to flip two school boards,

56:10

one in Pennsylvania, one in New Jersey.

56:13

We were also able to strike down a transgender

56:15

policy, policy 5756 in New Jersey. We've

56:19

been able to remove dozens of pornographic

56:21

books all around the

56:23

country. But what I'm seeing is

56:26

that the cops are being weaponized against me.

56:28

I went to Idaho to

56:30

speak at a school board meeting there.

56:32

And I sat in the school board meeting for nearly two

56:34

hours, and then I was called out by a sergeant.

56:37

He takes me outside and he tells me that I have

56:39

been notified that you were coming. And

56:42

keep in mind, I live in Wake

56:44

Forest, North Carolina. That's thousands of miles

56:46

away. But he was informed that I

56:48

was coming and that he was instructed to remove me

56:51

from the podium if I were

56:54

to get off of topic. Keep

56:56

in mind, he told me this

56:58

before I spoke. And

57:01

what that was was an attempt to

57:03

scare me, to see if

57:05

I was going to be shaky

57:07

and flaky and spineless like

57:09

many of our preachers today who won't say

57:11

anything about these issues because

57:14

they are cowards, you know? The Bible says

57:16

in Revelation 21.8, it gives us

57:18

eight reasons why people will be thrown into the lake

57:20

of fire. And number one is

57:22

for being a coward. People

57:25

are afraid to speak up because they don't want

57:27

to be canceled. They don't want to be deplatformed.

57:30

They don't want to be labeled. They

57:33

want to soft-pedal conversations, even when

57:35

bringing on people like Charlemagne

57:38

the God, who was

57:40

afraid to talk about the true history of

57:42

the Democrat Party because he

57:44

doesn't want to lose his black support. Instead,

57:47

he cowards and talks

57:49

about how favorable Joe Biden is.

57:52

But at that school board meeting— Charlemagne, no.

57:57

Yes. No, no.

58:00

Me, I believe in his sincerity. I

58:02

don't think he's pandering. He says a

58:04

lot of things that his audience may

58:06

not like. He's pretty courageous, but I

58:08

think he may be hasn't seen films

58:10

like you know, the. We talk about the

58:12

other day: What killed Michael Brown? Maybe hasn't read a

58:14

lot of Shall Be Steal or. On you

58:16

know some of our our leaders who

58:18

have been so bold on some of

58:21

these issues, right? Like they're not promoted

58:23

in schools and so they and I

58:25

think a lot of people only have

58:27

one view of race in America and

58:30

they blame Republicans. And. Sometimes

58:32

White's for all the ills of

58:34

society as opposed to zeroing in

58:36

on present day it's the Democrats

58:39

as Thomas Soul. Exactly

58:41

Charlemagne the dog was a dune.

58:45

Was. Very soft on the issue.

58:48

He didn't speak the truth. He's very

58:50

intelligent. The guys brewery is broken. clock

58:53

is right twice a day. that's true,

58:55

but he knows the history of a

58:57

democrat board. He knows that the Jim

59:00

Crow laws that we had in this

59:02

country it's were drafted by democrats. He

59:04

knows that it was the democrats who

59:07

wanted to cheap slavery going. He knows

59:09

that a lot of the red lining

59:11

in a lot of the Jim Crow

59:14

ideologies and principles that was held onto

59:16

for so long say was supported by.

59:18

The Democrat. Party. Team

59:21

knows that the economy under.

59:24

President. Trump vs Joe Biden.

59:26

It was much better under President

59:29

Trump. Inflation is it is merely

59:31

at an all time high. Today

59:33

he knows his the Democrat party

59:35

that does not want black students

59:38

to have school choice so that

59:40

we can remain subservient to the

59:42

Democrat party. He knows that what?

59:44

Because of racialized social constraints. He

59:47

would much rather not take

59:50

off his community. To. keeps

59:52

favor with this community aki care

59:54

less about having favor with my

59:56

commute it's i just want to

59:58

be faithful to god There's a

1:00:00

difference between being a nice Christian, a

1:00:03

nice Christian, and a faithful Christian.

1:00:07

Nice Christians or people

1:00:09

of faith, you know, he says that he's the

1:00:11

God and man can't be God. I

1:00:13

think he's Muslim. I'm pretty sure he's Muslim. Yeah,

1:00:15

5%. That's what he said. He

1:00:19

calls himself Charlamagne the God, but at the end

1:00:21

of the day, God does not suffer from social

1:00:23

anxiety. So you're not God.

1:00:25

There's only one God. He's only saying that

1:00:28

tongue in cheek. I mean, it's an empowering thing. I

1:00:30

know a lot of people find that offensive. He's

1:00:33

trying to, he had a rough child. He's trying

1:00:35

to lift himself up and give himself like a

1:00:37

different persona. And then he learned to live inside

1:00:39

of that and find his voice. And

1:00:42

he needs to get to know the

1:00:45

God of the Bible and to find

1:00:47

a peace that surpasses all

1:00:50

understanding, the contentment

1:00:53

that comes from Jesus Christ. We

1:00:55

don't have to stay here. So let

1:00:58

me tell you this. The thing that I took issue

1:01:00

with Charlamagne on, which I raised with him, is

1:01:03

the condemnation of America today. You know, there's

1:01:05

no question that 200 years ago, the country

1:01:07

had massive problems. You know, we're not living

1:01:09

up to our founding ideals, but we are

1:01:11

the only country in the history of the

1:01:13

world to ever fight a war to end

1:01:15

slavery. Multiple countries had slavery and

1:01:17

still have slavery. We're the only ones to ever fight

1:01:19

a war to end it. And

1:01:22

those beautiful founding ideals in our constitution

1:01:24

and our Declaration of Independence, we ultimately

1:01:26

got back to them and found a

1:01:28

way past slavery and past

1:01:30

ultimately the Jim Crow era and

1:01:32

wrote non-discrimination right into our laws. And I'll tell

1:01:35

you something, I want to play this. It's

1:01:37

a long sound, but it's like two minute sound.

1:01:41

But somebody who really said this beautifully, and he's

1:01:43

been like a guru to me in terms of

1:01:45

my own thoughts on race has been Glenn Lowry,

1:01:48

now as an economics professor at Brown, was at

1:01:50

Harvard. And he and John

1:01:53

McWhorter have this show that if you want to

1:01:55

hear sense talked about racial issues in a very

1:01:57

honest way, you'd be well served to tune into

1:01:59

them. He came on our

1:02:01

show early on, we didn't even have video

1:02:03

at the time, and take a listen what

1:02:06

the way he defended America against this charge,

1:02:08

which was in the times that day. This

1:02:10

is still 2020, not that far past George

1:02:12

Floyd, about how racist

1:02:14

and white supremacist America is.

1:02:17

Listen. The narrative

1:02:19

about the American story,

1:02:21

the American project, is

1:02:24

fundamentally important. Is this a good country,

1:02:27

or is this a country

1:02:29

that's founded on genocide and slavery?

1:02:33

The impact of

1:02:35

Western settlement in the Western Hemisphere, the

1:02:37

European settlement in the Western Hemisphere, on

1:02:39

the Native population was devastating. There's not

1:02:41

any doubt about that. And

1:02:43

the commerce in Chaddell, which was

1:02:45

transatlantic slavery, was of a huge

1:02:47

scale, mostly going to Peruvian

1:02:51

and South America, but of

1:02:53

a huge scale, and was monumental in

1:02:55

world history, was monumental in the foundation

1:02:57

of the events that

1:02:59

led to the American nation-state. There's not any doubt about

1:03:02

that. But the founding

1:03:04

of the country, 1776, 1787, the

1:03:10

creation of the United States of America was

1:03:13

a world-historically bent, in which

1:03:15

the Enlightenment ideals got instantiated in government

1:03:17

institutions. And as a matter of fact,

1:03:19

within a century, slavery was gone. And

1:03:21

you know what? The people who had

1:03:23

been African, Chaddell became citizens of the

1:03:25

United States of America, not equal citizens,

1:03:27

not at first. It

1:03:29

took another century. But they

1:03:31

became, in the fullness of time, equal

1:03:33

citizens of the United States of America.

1:03:36

The United States of America fought

1:03:38

fascism in the Pacific and

1:03:41

fought fascism in Europe. And

1:03:44

saved the world. American democracy

1:03:46

became a beacon to, quote-unquote,

1:03:48

the free world. We stood

1:03:50

down under threat of nuclear

1:03:52

annihilation, the horror which

1:03:54

was the union of Soviet socialist

1:03:56

republics. We

1:03:58

have had the great transformation in

1:04:00

the social status of a circle of

1:04:03

people, which was what

1:04:05

the emancipation affected in the creation

1:04:07

of the Negro of the African-American,

1:04:10

probably that you could find anywhere in

1:04:12

world history. 40

1:04:15

million strong, the richest people of African descent

1:04:17

on the planet by far. This

1:04:19

is a question of narrative. Are

1:04:22

you going to look through the lens of

1:04:24

the United States as a racist, genocidal,

1:04:27

white supremacist, illegitimate force? Are you

1:04:29

going to see it for what

1:04:31

it is? Which

1:04:33

in the last 300 years is

1:04:36

the greatest force for human liberty

1:04:38

on the planet. That's

1:04:41

worth fighting about. That

1:04:44

these people at the New York

1:04:46

Times lay down to a latter

1:04:48

day woke ideology and debase their

1:04:51

country is

1:04:53

despicable. Love

1:04:56

him. He's coming on in two weeks again,

1:04:58

but that's the first lie

1:05:01

in your book. It's about the top 10 lies

1:05:03

in America is that America is

1:05:05

a racist nation. That's why you're taking such

1:05:07

issue with some of what Charlemagne was saying.

1:05:10

Exactly. And it's necessary that we do 360,000

1:05:13

Union soldiers gave

1:05:16

their life to save this

1:05:19

country and to end slavery. And

1:05:22

so that can't be glossed over or

1:05:24

overlooked. People claim that

1:05:26

America is a racist nation. And

1:05:28

they do that intentionally to keep

1:05:30

blacks on the liberal plantation. Blacks

1:05:33

have become the cheap prostitutes of

1:05:36

the Democrat party. They screw us

1:05:38

and barely pay us and we keep coming

1:05:41

back for more. What does that

1:05:43

mean? That means that people

1:05:46

like Charlemagne suffer from

1:05:48

Stockholm Syndrome. They

1:05:51

are in love with their capture. They

1:05:54

are in love with the ones that seek

1:05:56

to abuse them. It's a Democrat

1:05:58

party that pushes. genocide,

1:06:00

black genocide upon us

1:06:03

in particular. And

1:06:05

to celebrate Barack Hussein Obama, a

1:06:07

man who didn't seek to do

1:06:09

anything to reduce the abortion rate

1:06:11

in America for all people,

1:06:13

let alone for his people, is

1:06:16

rather asinine. Exactly by

1:06:18

black genocide. Exactly

1:06:20

by black genocide. The abortion rate in this

1:06:23

country as it relates to black people is

1:06:26

stupendous. There are nearly

1:06:28

20 million black people that have

1:06:30

been aborted since the inception

1:06:32

of Roe v. Wade in 1973. Blacks

1:06:37

make up only 13% of

1:06:40

the overall population in America.

1:06:42

Black men account for 5% and black women

1:06:46

account for 8%. Of

1:06:49

the black women who are ovulating, that's about 2-3%,

1:06:51

they account for nearly

1:06:53

40% of the overall abortions. Before

1:06:58

a person can experience

1:07:00

racism or a racist

1:07:02

nation, first and foremost,

1:07:04

they have to be born. And

1:07:07

if you're not talking about

1:07:09

the black genocide that's being

1:07:12

propagated by the Democrat Party,

1:07:15

you are doing nothing but

1:07:17

wasting time. And

1:07:19

everyone wants to talk about racism. Let's

1:07:21

go there. Margaret Sanger, in

1:07:23

a letter to Dr. Clarence C.J.

1:07:25

Gamble in 1939, said

1:07:28

that she did not want the

1:07:30

word to get out, that

1:07:32

she wanted to exterminate the

1:07:34

Negro population. And

1:07:37

she said that she would use the

1:07:39

black charismatic preacher to assist

1:07:41

her in doing so. So who

1:07:43

has she used? Raphael

1:07:46

Warnock, a black pastor

1:07:50

who claims to be a pro-choice

1:07:52

pastor. There's no such thing as

1:07:54

a pro-choice Christian or a pro-choice

1:07:57

pastor. The Bible is replete on

1:07:59

what it says. about the killing of

1:08:01

the unborn and murder. We have

1:08:03

this thing called the Teen Commandments,

1:08:05

number six, tells us thou shall

1:08:07

not kill, thou shall not murder.

1:08:11

When you look at men like Reverend Jesse Jackson, in

1:08:13

1977, you know, he went and spoke

1:08:16

for the March for Life, and

1:08:19

he was very, very much so pro-life. You

1:08:21

know, I'll quote him right here. He

1:08:24

says, human beings cannot give

1:08:26

or create life by themselves.

1:08:29

It is really a gift from God. Therefore,

1:08:31

one does not have the right

1:08:33

to take away through abortion that

1:08:36

which he does not have the

1:08:38

ability to give. That

1:08:41

sounds like a

1:08:43

pro-life statement, an

1:08:45

anti-abortion statement. But,

1:08:48

you know, when he campaigned to run for the

1:08:50

office of presidency in 1984, he

1:08:54

sold his community down a

1:08:56

river to gain favor from

1:08:58

white liberals so that

1:09:00

he could be the president. The

1:09:03

same way that Reverend Al Sharpton

1:09:05

has, and many of

1:09:08

these black personalities and talking heads,

1:09:10

Whoopi Goldberg and lying

1:09:13

Joy Reed, you know, who has a

1:09:15

complex. I've never met a real blonde

1:09:18

black woman in the first place when

1:09:21

you consider people like Big

1:09:23

Fanny Willis. These individuals and

1:09:27

Stacey Abrams, Stacey

1:09:29

Abrams as well, these people

1:09:31

are pro-abortion, but

1:09:33

they don't understand that the infancy

1:09:36

and the inception of the abortion

1:09:38

industry was to kill people that

1:09:40

look like them. Well,

1:09:43

how about Kamala Harris, John? She Can't get

1:09:45

on a plane fast enough to go make

1:09:47

her case when they're speaking in favor of

1:09:49

abortion or the first sitting vice president to

1:09:51

ever go to. Planned Parenthood, speaking of Margaret

1:09:53

Sanger. And We're supposed to be like, yeah,

1:09:56

you go, girl. This is a moment of

1:09:58

female empowerment or black empowerment. Howard

1:10:00

and. She's. Shucking

1:10:03

and jiving. She

1:10:05

has bowed. To. The Donkey.

1:10:07

And she's made a donkey out of

1:10:09

herself by doing so. Black

1:10:11

people. Need to listen

1:10:14

from the middle. I'm sick and

1:10:16

tired of people telling us that

1:10:18

this nation is us, races, nation

1:10:20

one at the same time. You

1:10:22

have black immigrants and brown emigrants,

1:10:24

insane immigrants fighting and risking their

1:10:26

lives to get into this country.

1:10:28

Or talk about this in my

1:10:30

book. Hoodwinked. Go get a copy

1:10:32

of a talk about the fact

1:10:35

that a Pew Research Center study

1:10:37

was done and twenty nineteen in

1:10:39

his shows that there are Tim

1:10:41

their one in ten people living.

1:10:43

In America are black immigrants.

1:10:45

Nearly four point six million

1:10:47

black immigrants are in the

1:10:49

Us today. And by

1:10:51

twenty sixty, that number is going

1:10:54

to balloon to nine point Five

1:10:56

million. Why are people trying to

1:10:58

get into America? If America is

1:11:01

a racist nation outta you want?

1:11:03

because they want life. They

1:11:06

want liberty and the pursuit of

1:11:08

happiness. They want the bless it

1:11:10

midst of a nation founded upon

1:11:12

Judeo Christian principles. They

1:11:14

want to work to live in

1:11:17

a nation that less a constitutional

1:11:19

republic where they have through freedoms

1:11:21

and liberties. They want

1:11:23

to live in a nation that is

1:11:26

the apple of God's I. Got.

1:11:28

Her smelled upon this nation.

1:11:31

But it's marxists. It's Marxists.

1:11:33

Atheists is communist. We have

1:11:36

crept into American. Church

1:11:41

as well as church at

1:11:43

large to convince us to

1:11:45

shout death to America. Eight

1:11:47

America Eight Israel but while

1:11:49

at the same time screaming

1:11:51

being that they are pro

1:11:53

Hamas. And. Pro: Palestine several

1:11:55

a really makes no sense and

1:11:57

so to them to your listeners.

1:12:00

out there and black Americans, we

1:12:02

have to listen from the middle

1:12:05

and keep in mind that we should

1:12:07

not support any politician that

1:12:09

wants to support abortion

1:12:12

laws. We should not do that

1:12:14

because it damages and kills us

1:12:16

the most. I've worked at abortion

1:12:19

clinics in the Southeast trying to save babies.

1:12:21

I did that for almost 12 to 13

1:12:24

years. And you would

1:12:26

see a constant flow of

1:12:28

black women coming to the abortion clinics. Oftentimes in

1:12:31

my studies I have found that nearly 65% to

1:12:33

70% of the overall women coming to the clinics

1:12:39

that I went to and that I worked at

1:12:41

for nearly 13 years, they

1:12:43

were primarily black, but

1:12:46

nearly 70 to 80%

1:12:48

of the people outside of the abortion clinic

1:12:51

trying to save these black

1:12:53

babies were white. White

1:12:57

Republicans have done more to

1:13:00

save black babies than the

1:13:02

NAACP, the Congressional

1:13:05

Black Caucus, and

1:13:07

BLM combined. Those

1:13:10

three organizations that I just mentioned,

1:13:12

when Roe v. Wade was overturned,

1:13:14

they all came out with that

1:13:16

fear-mongering speech and that talk and

1:13:18

that rhetoric that, oh, because of

1:13:20

the black maternal health crisis, black

1:13:23

women are going to be unsafe and

1:13:25

they're taking away your liberties and all

1:13:27

of that junk because at the end of

1:13:29

the day, and Malcolm X tried to tell

1:13:31

us that the

1:13:33

white liberal hates black

1:13:36

Americans. And so I'm giving

1:13:38

this the just do

1:13:40

that it needs. I am saying what

1:13:42

needs to be said, regardless

1:13:44

of pigmentation and color. And here's another

1:13:46

thing that we can talk about beyond

1:13:50

just labeling America as a racist

1:13:52

nation. They want to say that

1:13:55

we are all victims. Blacks are victims. We're

1:13:57

proverbial victims. We can't make it in America.

1:14:00

There was a time in this country where

1:14:02

the black marriage rate rivaled that of

1:14:04

whites from the 1890s up to the 1950s And

1:14:08

the black marriage rate rivals that of

1:14:10

whites, but it wasn't even

1:14:12

Johnson There you

1:14:14

have it Lyndon Johnson came along and brought along

1:14:16

the Great Society And

1:14:19

he said himself that he would

1:14:21

have these Negroes. He said something else

1:14:24

He would have these in words voting for the Democrat

1:14:26

Party for the next 200 years He

1:14:28

found a creative way to remove the black man from

1:14:30

the home and replace him with a 300 to 400

1:14:33

dollar check now Government

1:14:37

has become God and Daddy,

1:14:39

the Bible says if a man doesn't

1:14:42

work neither shall he eat But

1:14:45

from the 1890s to the 1950s

1:14:47

we were blacks were under great suppression

1:14:49

and oppression in this country That

1:14:51

is true, but we

1:14:53

fared better then Than

1:14:56

we do today why because

1:14:59

we focused on faith Family

1:15:03

and education void of special

1:15:05

interests. We built our own

1:15:07

school consider Booker T. Washington

1:15:10

The man was in lived through

1:15:13

times of slavery He

1:15:15

overcame a lot He

1:15:17

overcame much injustice, but he died

1:15:20

a millionaire how? And

1:15:22

so for any black man out there that says

1:15:24

I'm a black man I can't make it and

1:15:26

all this junk walking around with your pants

1:15:29

around your your knees You

1:15:32

know, you're probably not able to get

1:15:35

employed because you haven't done the necessary

1:15:37

work to study

1:15:39

to prepare yourself to be accountable

1:15:41

and not to put the Responsibility

1:15:45

on the white man to do for you what

1:15:48

you should be doing for yourself That is

1:15:50

the message that needs to be heard Wow,

1:15:54

John so so well said again just for those

1:15:56

of you who are listening. It's called

1:15:59

hoodwinked I'm going to try it

1:16:01

again. It's John Amanchukwu. Amanchukwu.

1:16:03

Did I get it right, John, this time? Perfect.

1:16:06

You always get it right. I

1:16:09

just want to make sure everybody knows what to

1:16:11

look for when they go to Amazon to order

1:16:13

it right now. Hoodwinked. You can see why

1:16:15

we fell in love with John from afar and he's

1:16:18

even better up close talking about all

1:16:20

these issues. Um, let's go

1:16:22

back for a second to what's happening in

1:16:24

the schools, because I do want to show

1:16:26

a couple of other clips because they're gold.

1:16:29

This is one we played from May of 2023 and it happened

1:16:31

in Asheville, North Carolina,

1:16:34

where John went into the school board

1:16:36

meeting there to take issue with

1:16:38

a book that,

1:16:41

I mean, ironically is called

1:16:43

It's Perfectly Normal and yet

1:16:45

the contents were anything but.

1:16:47

Watch this. This

1:16:49

book here, it's called It's Perfectly Normal.

1:16:52

I'll read some of this for you.

1:16:54

It says after a bit, a person's

1:16:57

it becomes moist and slippery

1:16:59

and the couture becomes hard.

1:17:01

After a bit, a person's,

1:17:03

becomes erect, stiff and larger.

1:17:06

Sometimes a bit of clear fluid

1:17:08

that may contain sperm comes out

1:17:10

of the tip of the and

1:17:12

makes it wet. Can we, sir,

1:17:15

I'm sorry. I was it something I

1:17:17

said. If

1:17:19

you don't want to hear it in a

1:17:21

school board meeting, watch your children be able

1:17:23

to check it out of the school system.

1:17:25

We have perverts that are

1:17:28

perverting our kids and

1:17:31

you won't sit back in your chairs,

1:17:33

but you don't want me to read it. Why

1:17:35

does it bother you? Ah,

1:17:38

yes, yes, yes. So

1:17:42

you're saying that though it has made change, it's not

1:17:44

all for effect that you're saying you actually did manage

1:17:46

to flip a couple of school boards and while they

1:17:49

may be dragging you out by the cops, which by

1:17:51

the way, I'm told is the ultimate Karen move right

1:17:53

to call the cops on a black man when no

1:17:55

crime has been committed. They're

1:17:58

listening at some level. least the

1:18:00

constituents are listening. By

1:18:03

all means, I hear from parents every day.

1:18:05

I have invites to school

1:18:08

boards, school board meetings all

1:18:10

around the country. I have more opportunities than there

1:18:12

are days on the calendar. We

1:18:14

are winning because we are

1:18:16

showing the world what's

1:18:18

really going on at the school board meetings

1:18:21

and what's going on behind the scenes as

1:18:23

it relates to these curriculum and materials that

1:18:25

are being placed at the fingertips of our

1:18:27

kids. That book that I was reading from

1:18:29

is right here. You

1:18:32

know, it's perfectly normal and

1:18:34

it's not perfectly normal to

1:18:36

mentally rape a child. Hear

1:18:38

that. Some people call

1:18:41

it grooming. Some people

1:18:43

call it indoctrination. I call

1:18:45

it mental rape because it

1:18:47

assaults the soul, it stains

1:18:49

the brain, and it robs

1:18:51

children of their innocence. They

1:18:53

are forcibly removing

1:18:55

their innocence

1:18:58

and they are doing it with

1:19:01

government support. When

1:19:03

you consider even a book like this, I went

1:19:05

to Missouri just two days

1:19:08

ago. This book is entitled

1:19:10

Jack of Hearts and Other Parts. This

1:19:12

book gives you explicit

1:19:14

details on how to give the

1:19:17

best, what some call sloppy toppy,

1:19:20

oral sex that a man

1:19:22

could possibly have. That's what this

1:19:24

book is about. All right. It

1:19:26

talks about a young man going into

1:19:29

the rear end of another guy and

1:19:31

go figure when he pulls out,

1:19:34

there's feces all over the condom.

1:19:38

Then it tells you to... And this is in school libraries?

1:19:41

Oh, it's in school libraries all around the

1:19:43

country. It is. It

1:19:46

is. It's everywhere. It's in Wake

1:19:48

County, North Carolina. I talked about

1:19:50

this book twice in North Carolina

1:19:52

in what is called Wake County.

1:19:55

This book even

1:19:57

teaches kids when you're giving oral

1:19:59

sex. You use both of your

1:20:01

hands and don't don't just sit there and do

1:20:03

nothing Use a finger

1:20:05

and insert it into the person's rectum. Why'd

1:20:07

you give an oral sex? This

1:20:10

is trash This is

1:20:12

trash. That's what this is. And this

1:20:14

is the fruit of DEI. That's what

1:20:16

it is And I call

1:20:18

I want to ask you that so why why now you're

1:20:20

getting to the crux of it Why

1:20:22

why is it important to

1:20:25

as you point out these perverts to

1:20:27

have these books in our children's schools?

1:20:30

And just for those listening in case you're

1:20:32

thinking it's just high schools It's not we

1:20:34

don't in case after case where it's in

1:20:36

middle schools and sometimes even elementary So

1:20:39

why you're so you're so right? Well,

1:20:42

this book is perfectly normal is for

1:20:44

kids 10 and up, you know So

1:20:46

that's that's elementary. The why is this

1:20:49

we have to make the

1:20:52

homosexual community feel

1:20:55

accepted so

1:20:57

therefore We have

1:20:59

to allow kids Who

1:21:02

are not homosexual? Who

1:21:04

are not even thinking about oral sex and

1:21:07

anal sex as a child

1:21:09

We have to corrupt their

1:21:11

existence in education just to

1:21:14

make the LGBTQIA

1:21:17

Plus community feel welcomed

1:21:20

loved seen and heard that's

1:21:23

why and We're

1:21:25

getting ready to go into what is called

1:21:27

Pride Month yeah,

1:21:29

well we where we will see a Parade

1:21:33

of individuals celebrating

1:21:35

and gallivanting about and sharing

1:21:39

over sexual deviancy And

1:21:42

if you disagree with them, you're

1:21:44

labeled as a homophobe. I talked in my

1:21:47

book about Disagreement

1:21:50

means that we can no longer talk, you

1:21:52

know, if you disagree with a person in their

1:21:54

lifestyle You can no longer have a conversation You

1:21:57

know, and the reality is in life at

1:21:59

some point you're gonna be offended

1:22:02

and being offended is not a sin

1:22:04

it's reality people are going to disagree

1:22:07

with you I don't think

1:22:09

we should talk about heterosexual sex

1:22:11

nor homosexual sex in the public

1:22:13

system this book right here

1:22:15

the place it's not

1:22:17

this book right here is called let's talk about

1:22:20

it why

1:22:22

do not need to why

1:22:25

do kids need to

1:22:27

hear about how to insert

1:22:30

a butt plug how is

1:22:32

that gonna help us on

1:22:34

the EOG test score does

1:22:37

that increase your SAT it

1:22:39

does it you know how

1:22:42

was that gonna help us compete in

1:22:44

a global economy yes

1:22:47

right gonna help raise up more

1:22:49

children who would be

1:22:51

proficient in science and technology and

1:22:53

engineering and math it's

1:22:56

not going to do it I can't even open this

1:22:58

book and then you have this book

1:23:00

is called queer the

1:23:02

ultimate LGBTQ guide for

1:23:05

teens this book is in Wayne County

1:23:07

and all around the country as well

1:23:10

and it

1:23:12

teaches you how to properly

1:23:14

sanitize objects that you insert

1:23:16

into your body it also says

1:23:18

to you know put it in the dishwasher

1:23:22

oh god be sure

1:23:24

to let it cool down before

1:23:26

you use it again Megan this

1:23:28

is trash also

1:23:30

written for dummies like

1:23:33

what who are these morons like

1:23:35

a Darwinism should take care of these people

1:23:37

no book should intervene I

1:23:41

agree with it but I'm

1:23:43

now labeled as the book banning

1:23:45

pastor by right-wing watch they

1:23:48

love to write about me and talk

1:23:50

about me and say negative things about

1:23:52

me because I view this as garbage

1:23:55

it is garbage and I

1:23:57

say this to men and women everywhere if you

1:24:00

think that this kind of content

1:24:02

is acceptable, you're either a punk

1:24:04

or a pervert. There's

1:24:06

no in between. And I

1:24:08

said that same line in

1:24:11

Midland, Texas, and a school

1:24:13

board member left the school

1:24:15

board meeting, came outside and

1:24:17

wanted to fight. Because

1:24:20

I said that you're either a punk

1:24:22

or pervert if you

1:24:24

keep the filth in the school system.

1:24:26

And my response was this, sir,

1:24:30

I don't know if you heard what I

1:24:33

said. I said you're either a punk or

1:24:35

a pervert if you keep the books in.

1:24:37

The question is, are you going to remove

1:24:39

it? I don't care about the snowflake emotions

1:24:42

of these board members. I can care less.

1:24:44

I care about the children first. I

1:24:47

want to do what's best for the kids to

1:24:50

heck with the adults. I'm

1:24:52

in this for the children. Who

1:24:54

is going to put the children first? And

1:24:57

I talk about this in my book, Hood Wing. Go get

1:24:59

a copy of it. And he told me, he said, you

1:25:02

know what? But you don't have to

1:25:04

insult me. You don't have to insult me. I'm going to

1:25:06

help remove the book. I said, now listen, are you going

1:25:08

to get it out tonight? He said,

1:25:10

I'm going to do everything I possibly can to remove this

1:25:12

book. And guess what? He's not a

1:25:14

punk or a pervert. He's a protector. Because in

1:25:17

less than 24 hours, the

1:25:19

book was removed. Wow. But

1:25:22

it takes someone being willing

1:25:25

to go toe to toe with

1:25:27

these tyrants. I

1:25:29

was targeted in Sugarland, Texas. I

1:25:31

was followed. Someone broke into my

1:25:33

vehicle and stole my bag. I

1:25:36

lost my book bag. I lost my laptop. I guess

1:25:38

they thought I had Hunter Biden's laptop in there. I

1:25:40

don't know why. And

1:25:42

they took my bracelet and glasses.

1:25:45

And most of all, they took a

1:25:47

Bible that I had kept for the

1:25:49

past 18 years. Who

1:25:52

robs a preacher of his Bible? And I'm

1:25:54

sure it was marked up and had

1:25:56

all your favorite passages clipped. So

1:25:58

those are personal, very personal. Very

1:26:01

much so. I had the Bible

1:26:03

for 18 years. I can almost

1:26:05

tear up talking about it,

1:26:07

you know, but when I

1:26:10

think about that, it reminds me

1:26:13

that persecution will come if you

1:26:16

do good works, right? It's

1:26:18

impossible for us to live

1:26:20

righteous and not experience persecution,

1:26:23

but I'm willing to stand. I'm willing to go

1:26:25

toe to toe. I'm planning on going

1:26:27

to another 12 to

1:26:29

15 more school board meetings this

1:26:31

year. I'm launching a program

1:26:33

to help raise up warriors to come

1:26:36

alongside me. And I say to

1:26:38

your listeners, those of you who

1:26:40

are on the fence and even to the

1:26:42

men who are cowards

1:26:45

and won't speak up and won't

1:26:47

say anything as women are being defrauded

1:26:49

in our country. And as

1:26:52

fake women,

1:26:54

men trying to be women, are

1:26:56

robbing them of their dignity, at

1:26:58

some point you're gonna have to

1:27:00

speak up for our women. And

1:27:03

so I'm on a campaign to

1:27:05

bring revival to America and Meghan,

1:27:08

we are winning. We're turning the

1:27:11

tide. Even Bill Maher has

1:27:13

reviewed my messages and videos and even

1:27:15

he could see himself that you know

1:27:17

what, something is going wrong

1:27:20

in this country and we need

1:27:22

to speak out against what DEI

1:27:24

truly means as it relates

1:27:26

to putting filth in the public school system.

1:27:29

Wow, John, you're a hero.

1:27:32

You're a brave guy and an

1:27:34

important voice in this

1:27:36

conversation. I admire you and I

1:27:38

thank you for everything you've been

1:27:40

doing. Again, for the audience, the

1:27:42

book is called Hoodwinked and it's

1:27:44

by Pastor John Amanchukwu. And get

1:27:46

it now, Hoodwinked, 10 Lies Americans

1:27:48

Believe and the Truth That

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Get it now to support John and

1:27:55

all these efforts. John, thank you. All the best.

1:27:57

God bless you. Thank you so much. I'm

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mind. Oh, I am so excited to

1:30:02

be on this call with you a long time.

1:30:04

Listen, our first time caller. Very,

1:30:07

very blue mainline suburbs of

1:30:09

Philadelphia, where everybody's insane. There

1:30:12

seems to be I love your guests. They're

1:30:14

amazing. There seems to be

1:30:16

like, um, an a special hatred. I

1:30:18

have a, the only

1:30:21

thing better than one mother in law too. And

1:30:23

I have a set mother in law who's a

1:30:25

retired Ivy League professor, who is

1:30:27

very convinced by the New York Times

1:30:30

by all the lies. But she has

1:30:32

an a special hatred of moms for

1:30:34

Liberty and standing books

1:30:37

and it never seems to stop. So

1:30:40

is your guests still on? Like where is he with

1:30:42

moms for Liberty? How does he, Oh, I'm sure

1:30:44

he loves them. There's no question he loves them.

1:30:46

You remember them doing battle with Scott Pelley with

1:30:48

all of his lies on 60 minutes about how

1:30:50

they were book banners. And this wasn't actually happening

1:30:52

in the schools. They're like, they took

1:30:54

him on right. Went right in Alliance den. There's no

1:30:56

question. My mind, John loves them. So

1:30:59

they keep doubling down and doubling down.

1:31:02

And now they've added, they keep trying

1:31:04

to change the name of the DEI

1:31:06

initiatives. And now they added the

1:31:08

letter B we're like in

1:31:10

Sesame Street brought to you by the letter

1:31:12

B, the letter B for belonging. And

1:31:15

they changed it in our school too. Now

1:31:17

it's not DEI, not our current school, our

1:31:19

old school got rid of DEI because it's

1:31:21

been so targeted and stigmatized with good reason.

1:31:23

Now it's just belonging. How can you be

1:31:25

against belonging? Yeah.

1:31:28

Yeah. So every day

1:31:30

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm with him all the way.

1:31:32

We all need courage and they

1:31:35

look at you like deer in headlights. We

1:31:37

have to memorize the facts in this book

1:31:39

and keep the fight up. I respect you

1:31:41

so much. Thank you so much, Megan. You're

1:31:44

doing such a good work. I'm shocked that,

1:31:46

you know, the wasps in the main line

1:31:48

of Pennsylvania, I'm shocked that they're buying into

1:31:51

this nonsense. They've got to reconsider and fast.

1:31:53

We'll get your mother-in-law eventually the step and

1:31:55

the real Michelle. Thank you. Okay. Let's see.

1:31:57

Let's go to Felix in Connecticut.

1:32:00

it where I am right now. Hi Felix, what's

1:32:02

on your mind? Hi

1:32:04

Megan, second time callers. I was in

1:32:06

love with it, I don't know if

1:32:09

you remember, but anyway, what

1:32:12

is on my mind is when

1:32:14

he had a little mirror on,

1:32:17

I was shocked, typical of other

1:32:19

roles, when people sit on certain

1:32:21

issues, he is go

1:32:23

to, well I'm not so sure about that,

1:32:26

I hadn't heard that or I don't know

1:32:28

that, and it seemed

1:32:30

at one point you were exasperated when you said Bill,

1:32:32

I used to be an attorney, I deal in the

1:32:34

truth, this is what I do, and

1:32:37

it's like their go-to answer, oh I

1:32:39

didn't hear that, anytime you talk to

1:32:41

a liberal they're ill-informed on

1:32:44

the issues, it's appropriate to

1:32:46

try to even have a conversation with them.

1:32:48

Thank you for that, I feel like people

1:32:50

who don't know me, who you know say,

1:32:53

oh because Bill spoke I think of the

1:32:55

92nd Street, why the next night, and

1:32:57

apparently he brought me up and said something to

1:32:59

the effect of he was surprised at how far

1:33:01

right I've moved, and I

1:33:03

really think, it's not that I've moved

1:33:06

right, it's just that I'm committed to

1:33:08

facts, and the facts are

1:33:10

as I said them, I know the cops

1:33:12

were not killed on January 6th, and

1:33:15

we could go down the list, but you know to

1:33:17

people who really hate Trump, that sounds

1:33:19

like you're like a Trump thick event,

1:33:22

and they can't make that distinction very easily,

1:33:24

so yeah I think that's where he was

1:33:27

coming from, Felix thank you for calling, appreciate

1:33:29

that. All right let's see Scott

1:33:31

in South Carolina, that's where Charlemagne's

1:33:33

from, what were your thoughts today

1:33:35

Scott? Yes, being

1:33:37

a 50-year citizen of South Carolina,

1:33:40

listening to Charlemagne,

1:33:42

apparently he needs some more education,

1:33:44

he needs some more looking into

1:33:46

the truth as opposed

1:33:49

to what he has been told

1:33:53

is what has happened, he needs to

1:33:55

look into the truth like you know

1:33:58

old Sergeant Friday from drag

1:34:00

that, only the facts, nothing but the facts.

1:34:03

But then again, the balance of

1:34:06

hearing John afterwards certainly

1:34:08

stopped me from writing an

1:34:11

email to you about the show

1:34:13

and about Mr. Charlemagne. Well,

1:34:16

you know, I have to say, I appreciate, I love

1:34:18

being in a position, Scott, where I

1:34:21

can bring you different points of view. And I

1:34:23

never want the show to get to a place

1:34:25

where you're only hearing your own worldview reflected back to

1:34:27

you. You've got a million options like that. But

1:34:29

part of what's special about this show, I

1:34:31

think, is we can get people from all

1:34:33

different sides. And we

1:34:36

get to hear their worldview. And as long as I can

1:34:38

keep it respectful, they'll keep coming on. You don't have to

1:34:40

like them or agree with them. But

1:34:42

it's important, right, just to hear this is

1:34:44

what the other side feels and how they're coming

1:34:46

at it. And I think Charlemagne was sincere and

1:34:49

in earnest. We have to be careful of not

1:34:51

doing what the left does with the, you just

1:34:53

need to be educated because isn't it so irritating

1:34:55

when they do that to us? I

1:34:57

think he's educated. If you read his book, he knows a

1:34:59

lot about a lot. He just has different opinions about it.

1:35:03

Well, you know, both exposing

1:35:05

what they have to say on

1:35:07

your show, I think,

1:35:10

is enough for people to make their own

1:35:12

decisions. Yeah, I agree.

1:35:14

And it's good to keep them on the course line on. Even once we hear

1:35:16

what they have to say, then it's

1:35:18

not just hearsay.

1:35:21

It's coming directly from their mouth. Yeah.

1:35:24

He speaks to a totally different audience.

1:35:26

So his inputs may be different. Anyway,

1:35:28

Scott, thank you. Let me

1:35:31

go from South Carolina down to Georgia and

1:35:33

Linda. Hi, Linda. What's on your

1:35:35

mind? Oh, hey, Megan. I love

1:35:37

the show. I listen to it every day. I

1:35:39

was going to say about Bill Maher. I listened to that.

1:35:41

I didn't really know that much about him because I don't

1:35:43

follow his show. But in

1:35:45

my opinion, I felt he was

1:35:48

very disrespectful. He was all over

1:35:50

the place. He totally had Trump

1:35:52

derangement syndrome. I

1:35:56

didn't like when you would say your opinion

1:35:58

about something. He goes, oh, then will you? just,

1:36:00

we can't, we can't be. You know,

1:36:02

he'd almost stop and say, oh, we

1:36:04

can't be friends then, or we can't

1:36:06

do this because he's just like the

1:36:08

left. They don't want to hear anybody

1:36:10

else's opinion. They don't, they're not gracious

1:36:12

enough to say, oh, okay, I can

1:36:14

accept your opinion. Here's mine. I just

1:36:16

kind of found, find him very irritating,

1:36:18

you know. Well, he started the exchange

1:36:20

by saying, you know, you can hate Trump, but

1:36:22

you shouldn't demonize his voters. You know, you shouldn't

1:36:25

hate, hate his supporters. But I

1:36:27

do think something switched for him when he realized

1:36:29

I was ready to vote for Trump,

1:36:32

that he, like, I got moved into

1:36:34

a category of maybe like, okay, nutcase

1:36:37

or someone I can't talk to or I disagree

1:36:39

with. But in the end, he got back. Like,

1:36:41

I think he, he does wrestle with his anger

1:36:43

over Trump. And in the end, you know,

1:36:45

when we got off of Trump, we

1:36:47

found some common ground and landed it in a

1:36:49

good place. And that's, that's the best

1:36:51

you can do, right? People are, you know,

1:36:54

it's like people feel so passionately about politics

1:36:56

and Trump in particular, you know, pro and

1:36:58

anti. So I was glad, you know, by

1:37:00

the time it was all over, we, you know, behind the

1:37:02

scenes, we shook hands, we had one of those, you know,

1:37:05

polite hugs, supposed for a picture together

1:37:07

and wished each other well. So hopefully

1:37:09

he meant it too. Linda, thank you.

1:37:12

Thanks for watching and thanks for calling

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in. All right, let's go to Dan

1:37:16

in Indiana. Hi, Dan. What's on your mind?

1:37:18

Hi, Megan. Love your show. I

1:37:21

listened to that interview with Bill Maher and

1:37:23

I, when

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he said, I see

1:37:28

the elephant, your sea in the mouths.

1:37:31

And that was in the context of the

1:37:34

election fraud and

1:37:37

democracy in this country. It's

1:37:40

just so infuriating. I don't know

1:37:42

how you stayed in your seat.

1:37:45

Honestly. I

1:37:47

don't want to find common ground with a guy

1:37:49

like Bill Barr. He is an atheist. I'm

1:37:51

a believer. I believe in a creator. So

1:37:55

I see the elephant. You

1:37:58

and I see an elephant. the

1:38:00

mouse, you're Catholic, you believe in a

1:38:02

creator. Um, the

1:38:05

other thing that

1:38:07

really set me

1:38:09

off like, but

1:38:12

how many Republican red

1:38:14

state secretary of state have tried

1:38:16

to take Biden's name off the

1:38:19

ballot? Yeah. How many, I

1:38:21

know if you want to get down into the democracy.

1:38:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got it. Sorry, Dan. We're we're at,

1:38:26

we gotta go. Cause our serious XM time is ending,

1:38:28

but. Agree. I mean, that's talk about,

1:38:31

you know, undermining democracy. That was a shocking one.

1:38:33

Dan, thank you all of you for calling

1:38:35

and listening. God bless you. And thank you so

1:38:37

much again, the Bill Maher interviewer

1:38:40

at his past Tuesday, if you want to

1:38:42

check it out on podcasts or youtube.com/Megan Kelly

1:38:44

tomorrow, Jesse Kelly joins us. See you then.

1:38:48

Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly

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