Steven Rinella talks with fisheries program manager Mike Ruhl, the pizza magnate Jimmy Doran; and Janis Putelis of the MeatEater crew.

Subjects Discussed: therapeutic wheat cutting in Montana; the end of establishing new non-native populations of sport fish; funding wildlife management; a brief history of the Dingell-Johnson and Pittman-Robertson Acts; the user-pay system; Pennsylvania: the 'huntin'est state'; managing native trout; 'horn-nose chub mussels'; managing ecosystems as a whole; slow-burning emergencies; John Mcphee's Annals of the Former World; the New Jersey cat lady rears her head...for the last time?; and more.

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