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Oh , what's going on everybody ? Welcome to another

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episode of the Lambs Hill USPSA

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podcast . My name is Daryl

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and I will be your host

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, so this

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episode of the podcast , we

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have got the September 18th,

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2023 USPSA

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Board of Directors meeting minutes . But

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before we get into that , if

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you have not logged

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into the USPSA website and voted

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either in the runoff election

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for area six director if you

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live in area six or the

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runoff election for president

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, make sure you get in and

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vote . This

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is going to be the last week

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for voting . Voting ends

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Saturday , September 30th

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2023

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. So make sure , if you have

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not voted already , get on

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the website and

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get that vote in . So

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, moving on to the meeting minutes

1:23

, we have September 18th

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2023

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, 7pm

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Zoom meeting . We have everybody

1:33

in attendance the president , areas

1:35

one through eight , Managing

1:37

Director , DNROI

1:39

, DME , DIT

1:42

and DSC . The

1:45

agenda for this meeting is going

1:47

to start off with some director reports

1:50

, committee reports , some

1:53

old business that includes NROI

1:55

Discipline , appeals process , form

1:57

990 , question 11A

2:00

, category

2:02

qualifications

2:05

and member discipline . Then

2:08

we're going to go on to some new business with

2:10

the review of the 2022 990,

2:13

vote on the bylaws

2:15

change, 2024

2:17

nationals schedule and employee

2:19

discussion . President

2:22

Ted Murphy opened the meeting at 7.06pm

2:26

Eastern time . There

2:29

was immediately a motion to

2:32

add discussion about

2:34

corporate name change by area

2:36

six , Bruce Wells , seconded by area

2:39

eight , Russell Fortney , passed

2:41

unanimously at 7.08

2:43

. We'll get into that in just

2:45

a few minutes . There

2:48

was then a motion to add the financial

2:51

committee update by area three

2:53

, seconded by area eight , and passed

2:55

unanimously at 7.08 . A

2:58

motion then to approve the agenda by area

3:00

six , seconded by area four , passed

3:02

unanimously at 7.09 . Now

3:06

we go to President's

3:10

Report . There was some discussion

3:12

about Open PCC Nationals

3:14

match and the President worked

3:16

a stage at the match . Not

3:19

sure why , that's important . Director

3:22

Reports . Managing Director talked

3:24

about the changes they're making to

3:27

month end processes . Then

3:31

went to the Director of Media

3:33

and Events , talked about 2024

3:36

Nationals . Area

3:38

five submitted

3:40

the request from Member

3:42

Christopher St Clair to

3:45

cancel all Nationals

3:47

. I'm

3:50

not exactly sure where that

3:52

request came from . I

3:54

know where it came from . It came from this Christopher St

3:57

Clair . But why

3:59

? Why does this one person want to

4:01

cancel

4:04

Nationals ? I

4:06

mean Nationals is like the

4:08

pinnacle of USPSA competition

4:10

. That's just kind

4:12

of weird . This request

4:15

was called "out

4:17

of order due

4:19

to the contradiction with the bylaws

4:22

which require we

4:24

have national championship events . There

4:29

was a detailed discussion regarding

4:31

whether we should have two or

4:33

three Nationals , and

4:37

the following items were considered

4:39

each event that was originally

4:41

scheduled Interesting

4:44

. So now we get on to this corporate

4:46

name change , the

4:49

something

4:52

occurred . For

4:54

those of you that are in the

4:56

know , and

4:59

it's not a big secret , uspsa

5:01

is technically based in Washington

5:04

State that's where the headquarters are , but

5:07

the organization is actually incorporated

5:10

in the state of Delaware

5:16

. The

5:19

way they had some of the wording here was kind of weird

5:21

. So the

5:23

organization is actually registered Delaware

5:26

as a corporation . Somehow

5:30

, the 2018

5:33

annual report was not filed with

5:36

the state of Delaware , resulting

5:38

in the corporation being placed in a delinquent status

5:41

. When this was discovered

5:43

, the corporation was revived

5:45

by the managing director filing petition for

5:48

revival and submitting the past two

5:50

annual reports , resulting

5:52

in USPSA being backed in good standing

5:54

in Delaware . However , during

5:57

the process , an

5:59

individual this

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is coming right from the meeting minutes during

6:03

the process , an individual not associated

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with USPSA in any

6:08

official capacity reserved

6:11

the corporation's previous name

6:14

, that being United States

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Practical Shooting Association , slash

6:18

IPSC . That's

6:22

interesting . Wonder who

6:24

that was . Therefore

6:26

, the petition for revival they

6:30

had to use the name United States Practical

6:33

Shooting Association dash

6:36

International Practical Shooting

6:38

Confederation , so

6:41

that was substituted for the corporation's previous

6:44

name . The board of directors

6:46

here by ratified

6:48

and approves the aforementioned

6:50

name change and directs that the appropriate

6:52

documentation be filed with the Delaware

6:55

Secretary of State and the

6:57

IRS to legally effectuate

6:59

the name change . There

7:03

was a motion to

7:05

change the name officially by

7:08

area 8 , seconded by area 5 and

7:10

passed unanimously at 841

7:13

pm . We

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go to the director of IT open

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PCC Nationals registration

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successful new process . They're

7:26

setting up an auto option for auto renew

7:29

of your membership . This process

7:31

will be packaged up with the legal

7:33

documentation be presented to the board of future

7:35

meeting . There is an asterisk

7:37

here that there will be an easy

7:41

opt-out option . So

7:43

when this goes into

7:45

effect , if you don't want to automatically

7:48

renew your membership every

7:50

year or three years of whatever

7:52

, you can opt out of that

7:54

and just do it manually every time . They

7:59

gathered the final required items

8:01

needed for the new member experience so

8:03

that the programmers are able to move forward

8:06

and finalize that . That

8:08

is something I look forward to seeing

8:10

. Director

8:12

of Steel Challenge . Talked about

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the area 6 Steel Challenge Championship

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this weekend , which

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is now I think that's actually

8:21

going on today , sunday , and

8:24

there will not be an area 4 Steel

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Challenge Championship this year

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unless an

8:31

affiliated club within area

8:33

4 steps up to host a

8:35

tier 3 slot qualification

8:37

match during the

8:40

2023 calendar year . Motion

8:44

to table the 2022-990

8:48

tax . Approval until the next meeting by area

8:50

7 , seconded by area 2 . Let's

8:55

see , there was

8:57

a motion to make the by-law's

9:00

changes that were proposed in the last

9:02

meeting Check

9:05

out the previous episode of this podcast

9:07

if you want to learn about that but basically

9:09

they wanted to change it to

9:12

take out the requirement to

9:15

be a certified range officer

9:17

in order to be president or

9:19

an area director , something

9:22

that they put into the new by-laws

9:24

when they approved them not too long ago , and

9:28

then had the , let's

9:31

just say incident with

9:33

Eamon Lin , who was

9:35

president at the time , or

9:38

at the time that he lost

9:40

his RO certification , had it revoked

9:43

, and now

9:45

he very well may win the presidential

9:48

election and be back president . So they

9:50

kind of had to do something there , because

9:54

you know how can

9:56

he be president again if he doesn't have

9:58

an RO certification ? So they're

10:00

trying to backpedal on the requirement , let's

10:07

see . So there's this motion

10:09

to make the by-law changes that were discussed the last

10:11

meeting by area 8 , seconded

10:13

by area 1 . Let's

10:17

see area 2

10:19

, area 4 , and

10:23

that was it . Everybody

10:25

else voted yes . Area 2 and area 4 voted

10:28

no , so there must be a super

10:30

majority to carry . The motion does

10:32

not pass , and

10:34

that was at 948 . Let's

10:38

see , I'm going to

10:40

scroll down a little bit here we go to

10:42

committee reports . The

10:45

finance committee chair . A

10:47

motion by area 2 to

10:50

go into executive session

10:53

, seconded by area 4 . Executive

10:56

session was entered at 958

10:58

. Jake Martins , rick

11:00

Brotsel and Zach Jones exited the meeting

11:02

at 1004 . There

11:05

was an motion by area 6

11:07

to exit executive

11:10

session , seconded by area 8 , and

11:12

they exited that at

11:15

1036

11:17

pm . Here

11:21

is where things

11:23

start to go just a little bit

11:25

askew . President

11:30

vacated the chair and

11:33

the vice president assumed the chair . Motion

11:38

by area 3

11:40

to

11:42

immediately remove

11:45

Ted Murphy as president

11:47

of the organization and

11:50

appoint the vice president

11:52

to serve as president pursuant

11:55

to the bylaws , to faithfully

11:58

fulfill the duties of president . This

12:03

was seconded by area 7 . Motion

12:06

was called out of order due

12:08

to this not being on the agenda . The

12:14

vice president then vacated the chair and

12:16

the president assumed the chair . So

12:21

apparently they just tried to

12:23

throw Ted Murphy out and

12:28

make the

12:30

vice president , who

12:32

is area 2 , late

12:35

in , not going to try to butcher his

12:37

last name . Basically

12:41

, it almost sounds like

12:43

something happened

12:45

here with Ted Murphy and

12:48

they basically tried to

12:50

basically area 3 , tried

12:53

to boot him out as

12:55

acting president and

12:59

of course , pursuant to the bylaws

13:01

, if the president gets booted , the vice president

13:03

automatically kind of moves up

13:05

as president in the interim . So

13:09

no idea exactly what happened there . There's

13:12

nothing in here that

13:14

says what happened . All we

13:16

know is the president vacated

13:18

the chair of the meeting , vice

13:20

president assumed the chair and then all of a sudden bang

13:23

, area 3

13:25

makes this motion to

13:27

kick Ted Murphy out of the president spot

13:29

, which was seconded

13:32

by area 7 . The

13:35

motion was called out of order , so

13:37

then suddenly the president re-assumes

13:40

the chair of the meeting . What

13:46

is going on here ? I'm

13:49

sure there's a lot of people out there that

13:51

are apparently more in the know

13:53

than I am , but

13:56

that's mainly because I don't have

13:58

all day to just search through social

14:00

media and look through the Brian Hemos forums

14:02

and all that . I actually have a day job

14:05

. So

14:08

yeah , that

14:10

was interesting . There's

14:12

another motion to enter executive session

14:14

by area 8 , seconded by area 6 . They

14:18

go into executive session at 11.06,

14:20

. Area

14:22

2 makes a motion , seconded by

14:24

area 1 , to exit executive session

14:26

and they come out at 11.21

14:30

. There

14:35

is a motion to remove

14:38

area 3 , scott

14:41

Arberg , from the financial committee and

14:44

add area

14:47

8 , russell Fortney . I apologize to

14:50

the finance committee as the chair of the

14:52

committee . This motion is by

14:54

area 6 , seconded by area 2

14:56

. Areas 6 request

14:59

a roll call vote . Area

15:03

1 yes . Area 2 yes . Area 3

15:05

abstains yeah

15:07

, because he's the one that's basically getting

15:10

booted from the committee

15:12

. Area

15:14

4 yes . Area 5 no . Area

15:16

6 yes . Area 7 no

15:18

. Area 8 no

15:21

. Now , that

15:23

is funny . Russell Fortney , this

15:27

vote is about him being

15:31

added to the finance

15:33

committee as the chair

15:35

of that committee and

15:37

he voted against his

15:39

his own appointment

15:43

. That's funny . The

15:46

president abstained . Motion

15:48

passed as there's four yeses

15:51

and three noes at 11.33

15:54

. Here

15:56

we go into executive session again

15:58

. Motion by area

16:00

8 , seconded by area 5 . Probably

16:05

, my guess would be because area 8

16:07

didn't want to be on the finance committee as the

16:09

chairperson and

16:12

so they went into

16:14

a collective session at 11.34

16:16

. Troy McManus exited

16:20

the meeting at 11.42 . Area

16:23

8 motions to exit executive

16:25

session , seconded by area 6 , at

16:27

three minutes past midnight . Area

16:30

6 then makes a motion to adjourn

16:32

, seconded by area 2

16:34

, passed unanimously at 12.04

16:38

am . Wow

16:44

, so

16:46

a lot's going on here that

16:49

a lot of you don't know anything

16:51

about . They basically

16:54

tried to toss the president . I

17:00

don't know what that was about . Obviously

17:07

, ted Murphy knows that

17:10

there was something going on , because

17:13

he vacated the chair of the meeting and

17:15

handed it off to the vice president before

17:18

this motion , it appears . So

17:23

I'm

17:25

not sure if he wanted to quit

17:27

or

17:30

what the hell happened . I

17:35

don't know whether he wanted to

17:37

give up the spot as interim president

17:39

or if they tried

17:41

to hang

17:44

him out to try , but

17:46

either way it didn't work because the

17:49

motion was rolled out of order . And

17:54

then Russell

17:57

Fortney voting

18:00

against his

18:03

appointment to the Finance

18:05

Committee . Now , in

18:08

my personal opinion , he actually should have abstained

18:10

from the vote . I

18:15

mean , you look at area 3 , scott Arnberg

18:17

. He was the one that

18:19

was being removed

18:22

from the committee and he abstained . So

18:24

why didn't the person being added to the committee

18:27

abstain also ? So

18:29

trying to get my head wrapped around that , yeah

18:34

, very , very

18:37

interesting meeting . One

18:41

thing that I don't see any

18:43

mention of in here was

18:46

apparently at

18:49

one of the most recent nationals . Some

18:54

things were said on social media , apparently

18:58

about Troy McManus . I don't know

19:00

what was said . All

19:04

I got was Troy's

19:07

apology on

19:09

the believe it was the latest

19:12

edition of the NROI podcast where

19:14

he basically said that some

19:17

stuff was said that

19:19

was mostly just

19:21

complete , flat out false

19:23

information and

19:26

he ended up running into

19:28

the person that said it at

19:31

this , at this national event , and

19:33

basically went off on this

19:36

person in front of

19:38

the entire squad . So

19:43

Troy apologized

19:46

to this

19:48

person for going off on him

19:50

the way that he did and

19:53

also apologize to the squad and put

19:55

out a public apology on the podcast

19:58

. You

20:00

know he said he he could have

20:02

, or he should have , handled

20:04

that a little more professionally than he

20:06

did . But

20:09

you know , you just get caught

20:11

in the moment sometimes and this that the other

20:13

thing . I

20:17

Don't know how much I buy

20:19

his apology

20:21

. It's

20:25

always easy to go

20:27

back and say , well , I

20:29

could have done this

20:31

differently , I should have done

20:34

this differently . Well

20:36

, you could have and you should have , but you didn't

20:38

. Now

20:41

I get it . Troy

20:44

is human , just like everybody else , and when

20:47

someone , when someone is saying

20:49

stuff about you , that

20:52

is not true , yeah , you're gonna

20:54

get a little irritated , you're gonna get

20:56

a little pissed off and if you actually

20:58

run into that person , I Probably

21:01

go off on him . But here's

21:03

here's another point . Again

21:08

, I don't know what was said

21:10

. I Don't know if it was

21:12

something said about Troy personally , or

21:14

if it was something said about NROI

21:16

or the organization or whatever . But

21:19

Troy claims that

21:22

what was being said was

21:24

false information . Prove

21:29

it . Prove

21:33

that what this person was saying was

21:35

false . Because

21:38

now we've got your

21:40

version of events and we've got this

21:42

person's version of events or

21:45

Versions of whatever

21:47

is going on . Well

21:49

, you can stand there and say this

21:51

person's lying , all you want

21:53

, but

21:57

you need to be able to back up your

21:59

statement . But

22:02

on the flip side of that coin , the person

22:05

that is supposedly giving

22:07

out the false information , they

22:10

need to prove that

22:12

what they're saying is true . So

22:16

it ends up as kind of a he said , she

22:18

said thing . But you know

22:21

, if , if

22:24

what , all right . If you're

22:26

saying something , you

22:29

need to be able to prove

22:32

that what you're saying is

22:34

is accurate . But

22:37

at the same time , if I'm

22:40

calling you a liar , I need to be

22:42

able to prove that what you

22:44

are saying is BS . I Mean

22:49

I can call you a liar all I want , but

22:52

to a third party , okay

22:56

, this guy saying something , this guy

22:59

saying that what the first guy is saying

23:01

is not true . Well

23:03

, I don't know if it's true or not

23:05

, because neither one of them have proven

23:08

what is true and what is

23:10

false , so

23:12

we'll see where that goes . Yeah

23:17

, just just kind of

23:19

interesting

23:21

, really

23:24

really interesting the fact that I haven't

23:26

yet seen an

23:28

actual . Well

23:31

, first off , I haven't seen an actual

23:34

like Sent out written

23:36

apology From

23:39

Troy . I mean , you would think

23:41

that he would

23:43

put something out there , but

23:46

I also haven't seen what was being said

23:48

or who it was

23:50

being said about , or what Troy

23:52

got pissed

23:55

off enough about to

23:57

go after this person at

23:59

a national championship level match

24:02

or not even a level

24:04

match , a national championship match

24:06

in front of an entire squad

24:09

of people , instead

24:11

of just pulling this person to the side and

24:13

saying , hey , what you're

24:15

saying is BS

24:17

and you need to cut the crap . Yes

24:23

, that's what he should have done , obviously , but

24:26

apparently , by Troy's

24:28

own admission , that's not what he did . So

24:33

I mean , I've seen it on social

24:35

media all the time , people

24:39

will say this and they'll say that and

24:41

they'll say the other thing , but

24:43

you need to prove your accusations

24:46

. You

24:49

need to , just , like , the

24:51

person that's calling

24:54

you out on your BS needs

24:56

to prove that what you're saying

24:58

is BS . So

25:01

yeah

25:03

, we'll see where that goes

25:06

. A lot to

25:09

sift through in

25:11

this version or this edition

25:13

of the USPSA meeting minutes . If

25:16

you have any thoughts , comments

25:18

, suggestions for future

25:21

episodes . I know a lot of people enjoy

25:24

this kind of not

25:27

really deep dive into the meeting minutes . I'm literally

25:30

reading the minutes but

25:33

I do

25:35

want to put more

25:38

stuff on this podcast than

25:41

just reading meeting minutes . So

25:43

if you have any thoughts for future content

25:46

, drop me an email lamseillshootingatgmailcom

25:51

. You can also find me on Facebook

25:53

, instagram . Check out the

25:55

YouTube channel . Hopefully

25:59

at some point I will get around to posting

26:01

more videos on there . I do have a couple of product

26:03

reviews I want to do . Also

26:06

, rumblecom . It's

26:08

basically a YouTube knockoff that

26:11

is , let's just say , two-way

26:14

friendly and whatnot

26:16

. I'm also on there . I'm working

26:18

on getting more and more of the

26:21

YouTube videos posted on

26:23

rumble as well , so

26:25

you'll find them both places . That

26:28

process does take a while , unfortunately , but

26:31

check me out there . Check out the Discord

26:33

server if you haven't already

26:35

. Yeah

26:38

, be sure to listen to all the other

26:40

episodes here on the

26:43

podcast and

26:45

until we see each other on the

26:47

range , shoot

26:49

safe guys .