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Welcome to episode 367 of

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the Intermittent Fasting Podcast. If

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you want to burn fat, gain energy, and

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enhance your health by changing when you

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eat, not what you

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eat with no calorie counting, then

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this show is for you. I'm

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Melanie Avalon, biohacker, author of What,

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When, Wine, and creator of the

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supplement line AvalonX. And

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I'm here with my co-host,

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Vanessa Spina, sports nutrition specialist,

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author of Keto Essentials, and

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creator of the Tone Breath

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Ketone Analyzer and Tone Luxe Red

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Light Therapy panels. For more on us,

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check out ifpodcast.com, melanieavalon.com, and

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ketogenicgirl.com. Please remember, the thoughts

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So number three hundred and sixty

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seven of the intermittent fasting podcasts

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And Melanie, Avalon and I'm here.

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Vanessa Spina Hi everyone. How.

7:04

Are you today? Vanessa has the

7:06

weather's changed in Prague? Is it

7:08

warm? Yeah We had this amazing

7:10

heat. it was like a summer

7:12

preview last few weeks and it

7:14

was amazing. We were like to

7:16

doing all of things outside and

7:19

do picnics and but it's only

7:21

a process like very. Bizarre.

7:23

And now it's back to cold, which,

7:25

until. You love that I don't.

7:28

So unlike I. Really please come back or

7:30

flick of the summer weather to combat Schools

7:32

and I saw a preview of what's to

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come. How. Bout you. How cold is

7:36

it right now? Cold. right now? It's just

7:38

like cool. like a cool daily for windy

7:40

day. like you need a jacket kind of

7:43

thing. like a follow day. But yeah, how

7:45

bout you. It's warm and not

7:47

about it. My. Air

7:49

conditioner already broke. Ones who was not

7:51

good. Why does not somewhere cold for

7:54

the summer? With. Iceland?

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Yes! I'm like

7:58

I'm like weighing the entered. Eric mental

8:00

emotional stress, costs of the he

8:03

vs of moving soon moved around

8:05

a lot growing up. He. Ah

8:07

yeah actually I don't know what is

8:09

a lot in other to that question

8:12

because inequality like you've been back in

8:14

for as like. With. L A in

8:16

Atlanta and there was somewhere else and inc.

8:18

See. I yep agger more. Three

8:20

allies Atlanta mostly on something going

8:23

to Austin to get decided. It's

8:25

too hot up. A

8:27

really hot realize. That I said when

8:29

he first went in and put yeah I thought he

8:31

must have had a good at a good reason to

8:34

the other. Issues like the

8:36

bio hacking podcasting place. I

8:38

feel totally like everybody lives

8:40

there. All the people. Yeah.

8:43

We'll see, We'll see how the. Life.

8:45

Continues to unfold. When are you going back to

8:48

the Us to hang out? With. Me:

8:50

oh. And next visit is probably

8:52

gonna be were thinking about Christmas time.

8:55

And Damien of the around

8:58

One Nine. So. That's.

9:00

What we're talking about right now:

9:02

Planning fed. Yeah right

9:05

now I'm looking for to not

9:07

traveling anywhere for at least like.

9:09

Three. Four months except for local saying is

9:12

and then in the fall would probably

9:14

the back to here place in Greece.

9:16

but I just like really don't want

9:18

to go for base and we have

9:20

a lot of families as a thing

9:22

like all summer pretty much so I

9:24

just wanna be like not doing any

9:26

packing just like enjoying still like somewhat

9:28

of the newborn phase Liquid Damien and

9:31

just like. Being. Here

9:33

a guy really just want that. It's funny.

9:35

Like how you get is it cravings you

9:37

know? for travel or he had cravings for just

9:39

being a home. Yeah actually yes I

9:41

do understand that a little bit. Getting to

9:44

move back to the U S it'll be

9:46

a we talk about at all the time

9:48

like we were at the Psyche let the

9:50

sleek and about me who were we want

9:53

to go and we have so many different

9:55

like ideas and plans and you know. when

9:58

we'd like to be closer to friends

10:00

and family. That's the main thing.

10:03

But otherwise, I think we prefer the

10:05

lifestyle in Europe. So

10:08

it's going to be like both

10:10

have so many pros and cons. You

10:12

know, we're constantly like talking about what

10:14

we want to do, but we really don't

10:17

know yet. Like that's it's kind of a

10:19

question mark right now. It's kind of a

10:21

mystery. Well, I learned yesterday where you should

10:23

not move. Oh, where's that? This

10:26

actually blew my mind. This was something I

10:28

was just I had no

10:30

idea about. I was so wrong. So

10:32

wrong. So Rob

10:34

Wolf, who we both love. Have

10:37

you met the people at Rome Free

10:39

Ranch in Montana? I haven't. But that's

10:41

where he's building his like campus, right?

10:43

The new kind of OC building something

10:45

there. Didn't he build it? Isn't he

10:47

building an element campus there? Well, he's

10:50

in Montana and they're building something

10:52

element related. I don't know how close

10:54

it is. Oh, is it at the

10:56

ranch? No, I know. Oh,

10:59

Montana. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes.

11:01

The state. Correct. Apparently

11:03

Montana is beautiful have not been. But

11:06

so yesterday I was interviewing, he

11:08

introduced me to them. They raise

11:10

regenerative bison. I learned so much about

11:13

bison who knew there was so much

11:15

to learn about bison. But in any

11:17

case, I learned that. So

11:20

I guess there's like this trend of like

11:23

farmers and stuff in Montana or

11:25

places like that, like having

11:27

a lot of farmland and then they'll like not

11:30

want to farm anymore. And then they'll sell their

11:32

farmland to people who will be like, I want to

11:34

like own a farm. And then

11:36

people will like buy the land and just like casually

11:38

like I don't know, raise a

11:40

goat or something. Hobby farm. Yes, yes.

11:43

Gentleman's farm. Yes. So like, prior

11:45

to this conversation yesterday, I'd be

11:47

like, Oh, yeah, that's great. Like,

11:50

regenerative agriculture for the everyday

11:52

person like supporting the environment apparently, and

11:54

like apparently don't do that. That's what I

11:57

learned. Because

11:59

apparently, takes the land because

12:01

you're not going to do it right. Like you're

12:04

not going to, apparently like actually do it right. It

12:06

needs to be done by like farmers.

12:09

And so they said doing that

12:12

actually takes away from the land

12:15

that is needed for, you know, changing

12:18

everything in this sphere. So they were like, if that's what you

12:20

want to do, it's really better that

12:22

you like stay more

12:24

in a city and like greenify

12:26

your land or enter like

12:29

a co-op situation or enter just like

12:31

a really nice country,

12:34

you know, place. But like taking like the

12:36

ex farmer land and turning it into your

12:39

own farmer land is a no, which I

12:41

did not know. It makes sense. Yeah. I mean,

12:44

I don't know how many people are probably

12:46

doing that. But just from like the

12:48

small amount of people that I know who've done

12:51

it and like seen it on Instagram, I

12:54

still think it's probably like a small number.

12:56

But I totally understand that if that's a

12:58

trend, probably something that's, you

13:00

know, not great for

13:03

the land. But what's the alternative? Like

13:05

it just gets abandoned. The alternative I

13:07

think would be people

13:09

like John and Brittany who I interviewed, who

13:12

are actually having these

13:14

regenerative farms. So selling

13:16

it to not to like

13:19

big corporations or anything, but to

13:21

farmers from farmers to farmers. Right.

13:23

Yeah, that makes more sense. Yeah.

13:25

So they were so cool.

13:27

I learned so much about bison. Do you

13:29

like bison like eating it? Yes, I was

13:31

when I used to always get bison burgers

13:34

and grill them when we were in the

13:36

US. It's not something that I

13:38

get so much when we're in Europe, but

13:40

it's a great, extremely nutrient

13:43

dense meat and super

13:45

lean. So it's right at my alley.

13:48

And I would probably eat it every day if it was

13:51

available in Europe. But we do

13:53

when we're in the US for sure. Well, I also

13:55

learned bison and buffalo are the same thing. Yeah, I

13:58

was learning all about the nutrient profile. And I

14:00

was like, this sounds like one of

14:02

the most perfect red meats. Like you said,

14:04

it's super lean. It actually has

14:06

the fat is intramuscular rather than

14:09

outside of the muscle, like in cows. So like

14:11

in a ribeye where there's all that fat around

14:13

the edges, for the bison, it's all

14:16

inside of the muscle. And

14:18

they said that it cooks out actually easier.

14:20

So it gets even leaner when you cook it. The

14:22

nutrient profile just sounds amazing. And fun fact, at one

14:25

point there was only 300 bison left in the 1870s,

14:27

I think. Isn't

14:32

that crazy? Yeah,

14:34

I thought it almost went extinct. I

14:37

remember that. But I know two people,

14:39

two very prominent people like in our

14:42

space, who are women, who

14:44

are extremely fit. And both of

14:47

them, like mostly just

14:49

eat bison. Oh, really? Like

14:51

they're like carnivore and they eat like bison? That's

14:55

like all they eat. I want to try that.

14:57

It made me think of you until I

14:59

said saying it. I'm like, it sounds like

15:01

something you would tell you. One woman I

15:03

interviewed last year, and she said it's like

15:05

the best meat and also like the safest

15:07

and for so many different reasons. Like

15:10

she was like, I don't eat poultry anymore. I don't eat

15:12

this and that. And she's like, I only eat bison. And

15:15

then the other is someone that we both

15:17

know in this space is like very prominent. I

15:19

don't know. She doesn't really talk about like

15:21

her diet that much. But I know that she personally like

15:23

that's all she eats. So

15:26

and then when I talked to the other woman,

15:28

she kind of explained to me why and it

15:30

is just like the perfect food. So so are

15:32

there numbers a lot larger now? Like what is

15:34

it at now? I

15:37

think they said it's at oh, wait, I had it

15:39

written down. There's a big

15:41

difference between half a million and 50 million. That's

15:44

a big difference. We were

15:46

watching this show last night with Luca

15:48

about our great national parks, great national

15:50

parks. And that's like probably a lot of

15:52

people have seen it. Obama narrates

15:55

it and oh, he does.

15:57

Yeah. The Buffalo in Yellowstone. Oh,

16:00

there's approximately 20,500 on the plains. And

16:04

oh yeah, this is what I learned. So 420,000 and commercial herds. Apparently

16:09

eating, I mean, this sounds

16:11

a little bit contrainduitive, but raising bison

16:13

is what's keeping them alive. Like

16:16

if, if we weren't doing that, they

16:19

probably would go extinct. Yeah. That's

16:21

really, really interesting. Yeah. If you're in the

16:23

U S probably should take advantage. I remember

16:25

we used to get it like at our

16:27

local health food store. We'd just get bison

16:29

burgers and they were really delicious.

16:32

It was, yeah, it was great. I almost,

16:34

I wish I could have more access to it, but

16:36

I know. Like we

16:38

should have some right now. Wait, what did

16:40

you learn in that documentary? Sorry, I interrupted. Oh

16:43

yeah. No, we were just watching it with Luca because we, we

16:45

watched a lot of nature shows now. Like

16:47

we've always have, but especially like with,

16:49

with kids, it's like, it's just a

16:51

great thing to watch because there's like

16:53

lots of animals and something we can all

16:55

enjoy together and it's like quality programming. But

16:58

yeah, I just remember they were like in

17:01

the, in Yellowstone and Obama's like, I remember

17:03

the first time I saw a bison, it

17:05

was magical or something like that. We

17:08

were just laughing about it. They're like kind

17:10

of a mythical, but like a, what's

17:13

the word for it? Like a. Like prehistoric

17:16

feeling. Yeah. Like there's

17:19

an F. I think he

17:21

said they are, they're the oldest mammal

17:25

on the U S continent. Is that

17:27

correct? Yeah. There's something not

17:30

magical, but just special about them that

17:32

yeah. Probably maybe takes you to another

17:34

era or yeah. Like a

17:36

bygone era. Yep.

17:40

How romantic. That's cool.

17:42

You learned all about them. I know. So

17:44

now listeners know last two fun facts, then

17:47

we can get into questions. One, I grew

17:49

up in Memphis, Tennessee, and there was

17:51

like a random, like

17:53

when I would drive to school, there was this like patch of

17:55

land and it had. I sent on it. I

17:58

always thought that was so random. They're

18:00

just everywhere and not

18:02

everywhere. Second thing was, oh, and

18:05

they went on a tangent. Oh, they don't have

18:07

Costco in your upright. That's just a US thing.

18:09

Yeah, definitely not here. Oh,

18:11

do you miss Costco? Yeah. Especially

18:14

when my cookbook was like in Costco, I

18:16

wanted to go. Your

18:18

cookbook was in Costco. Did we talk about this? I

18:21

don't think so. I don't know. Did we talk

18:23

about this? Oh my goodness. Yeah, it

18:25

was there. And so I was

18:28

always asking my family and my friends who

18:30

went to Costco all the time, they

18:32

would go and they would take videos from me all

18:34

the time. And they would be like,

18:36

here we are. Like, here's this. He would send me

18:39

these videos. I was like, I just want to go

18:41

to Costco. Every time we were home, I was like,

18:43

can we just go to Costco so I can

18:45

see my book there, please? Even though I saw

18:47

it at Barnes and Noble's and chapters and all

18:49

over the US when I went on my book

18:51

tour and blah, blah, blah. Like I saw it

18:53

everywhere, but I wanted to see it in Costco

18:55

for some reason. And it was like maybe because

18:57

there'd be like a lot of them. I don't

18:59

know what it was. I just like, there was,

19:02

I was just dying and I never got to

19:04

actually see it there because like we were always

19:06

traveling. And so I just have a bunch

19:08

of videos and like, you know, being tagged

19:10

on social media, like when people would go

19:12

there and get the book and stuff, but

19:15

I love Costco. I love how keto,

19:17

like pro keto they are. Like

19:19

there's so many pro keto

19:22

keto foods. I've done, sorry. I've done interviews

19:24

with different publications that are just like all

19:27

the keto finds that test at Costco.

19:30

Sorry. There's Tesco is what we have here.

19:32

It sounds very similar, but it's a British

19:34

supermarket and that's where we

19:36

were today. Actually, but Costco is very

19:39

low carb and keto friendly too. Like I

19:41

really loved that about them. Now

19:43

they're selling gold bars, which

19:45

is something exciting, like in our family.

19:47

Cause it's like my husband's involved in

19:49

like the gold market. That's how he

19:51

originally met. And they're also now selling those

19:53

them big. Like it's like, what do they not do? They

19:56

have wedding rings. They have like, they literally

19:58

have everything. So I can only imagine. in

20:01

the future, it's going to be like maybe just Costco's going

20:03

to run the world. I don't know.

20:06

Well, I will say apparently, that's the other

20:08

thing I learned because they have their bison

20:10

in Costco as well, their products, and

20:12

more of like the Pacific Northwest, but also down

20:14

to like some more

20:17

Southern states. Apparently Costco is

20:19

like an amazing corporation, just

20:22

in general with everything they do, as far as

20:24

like the margins they take from

20:26

brands and like their principles and ethics. And

20:29

so I felt really, and this was coming from

20:33

Brittany and John at Rome Free who

20:35

were very, they were very like revealing and

20:37

it was very eye opening talking to them about,

20:40

you know, greenwashing and human washing versus what's

20:42

actually real and sustainable and happening and

20:44

they were big Costco fans. So awesome

20:47

that you had your book there. That's

20:49

amazing. Yeah, I love Costco. I'm

20:52

so glad to know that about them too. Me

20:54

too. Me too. And I feel like

20:56

the three places that are like a

20:58

moment for having your book would be Costco, Target,

21:01

and an airport. Yeah,

21:04

I never got the airport one. Was

21:07

yours in Target? No, no, I just mean the

21:09

airport one was like one

21:11

sort of over. Yeah. It

21:14

may have ended up in one. I just don't know, but

21:16

definitely wasn't in Target. But

21:19

yeah, big fan of Costco. Shout out

21:21

to Costco. I actually

21:23

have a story maybe I'll save it for next

21:25

time. You weren't here during the Whole Foods Guys

21:28

era. That was in

21:30

the Gen era. Listeners know about my crush on the guy

21:32

who worked at Whole Foods. I have a story that relates

21:34

to this and books and Whole Foods. So maybe I'll

21:36

just put a teaser there. Friends will probably like to

21:39

hear again about Whole Foods Guy. Yeah,

21:41

I think I know about Whole Foods Guy. Oh, you might have

21:43

been listening to the show then. Oh,

21:45

it was like some guy that

21:47

you either always saw there or did he work there?

21:49

He worked there and I had a major crush and

21:51

I would like get dressed up when you

21:54

go. I would like pretend that I was going in

21:56

to get wine on like a Friday night and dress up and

21:58

like go in and like wait. Did

22:00

you ever? Oh, I did. I did awful. I

22:02

did embarrassing things. Like I, yes, I talked to

22:04

him. Yes, I walked up and was like, do

22:06

you have a girlfriend? I did so much. I'm

22:08

so embarrassed. Like what happened? Like, did you actually

22:10

you guys ever go on a date? Like I never

22:12

heard? No, he had a girlfriend. Yep.

22:16

Long story short, I'll just close out that loop.

22:18

Basically, when he finally left, once we got over

22:20

the awkward time of me, like, attacking him in

22:22

the parking lot, not attacking him, but like, you

22:25

know, forwardly, approaching him in my car,

22:28

to inquire about his relationship status. Once

22:30

we got past that, I

22:33

did. It was so bad. I, it was one of

22:35

the nights that I like, one of

22:38

the nights that I went in like all dressed

22:40

up and I went out, I was sitting in my car, then he like

22:42

left and I saw him in the parking lot. I was like,

22:44

I cannot, I cannot not go up to him in my car

22:46

at this moment. I

22:49

do crazy things. Long

22:53

story short, when he was leaving, I

22:56

gave him a copy of my book. And

22:58

then I will never know I

23:00

don't know to this day, did he like

23:02

accidentally leave it there? Or did he on

23:04

purpose leave it there? But in any case,

23:07

he left it at Whole Foods. My sister

23:09

on another day finds it in the book

23:11

section, text me a picture and it's like,

23:13

Melanie, your book is in Whole Foods. And I

23:15

was like, I was like, I know what this is. I

23:21

like, I like ran to Whole Foods, found the book,

23:23

opened it because I had signed it. I was like,

23:25

oh crap. And I like, awkwardly grabbed it. I'm like,

23:27

they're gonna think I'm stealing but I like put it

23:29

in my bag and like walked out. So embarrassing.

23:33

It's kind of funny. I wonder now

23:35

if anyone's ever done that, like gone into a

23:37

store that they wanted their book in and just

23:40

like put a book in the book. Like, it's

23:42

like that guy last week who put

23:44

his art in some major gallery.

23:47

Oh, he did. He worked there and he, he

23:50

switched out one of the paintings of his own. Did

23:52

it did he get away with it for a while?

23:54

No, he's like, like a, Like

23:56

a, yeah, huge no no, like.

24:00

The only during the years

24:02

including. Kids. Took like one

24:04

of them. He tried to buy it. you know? Like

24:06

would it's can I don't know. Who

24:08

did you say about that saga flashback

24:10

from the listeners? I totally forgot about

24:13

that experience. Oh my goodness. I'm glad

24:15

I got closure on that story because I

24:17

just remember he talking one day about how

24:19

it there was a cute guy, a Whole

24:21

Foods and I was like she's gonna get

24:23

him like they're gonna talk like the book

24:25

like it's the book at Whole Foods in

24:27

the probably and said the same stuff like.

24:30

You know, dignity? Oh there. Was

24:32

a guy I like Matt I did tell. A story

24:34

on the show once about I met like my

24:36

perfect man a Whole Foods by it. It

24:39

was a story of like I thought I met my

24:41

perfect man and his can come back and my life

24:43

and we were going have a romance but that never

24:45

happens So. I. Just met him

24:47

once in. That said, V. Like new bi

24:49

optimizers, my comments on my bullitt blocking

24:51

glasses and, like, new all the things,

24:54

and he was beautiful what I heard.

24:57

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24:59

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25:01

you to several family and know if is

25:03

that a different houses location they normally go

25:05

to think that's also an alien. I was

25:08

like that such a cute lake meet you

25:10

there. It's things like that where I'm like.

25:13

Maybe. There's not some lake, overarching

25:15

gray purpose, everything. Maybe everything is

25:17

just random. Efforts

25:19

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25:22

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this is really hard question. Okay. I'm

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torn between I love it

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31:41

of eating. I'm. It before elements

31:43

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31:46

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31:48

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aspect was not fun and now it's.

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want like the slices feast every night and

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it's so delicious I never feel deprived and

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then I'm not hungry during the day and

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it helps you maintain I can a nice

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body weight so. I'm

32:12

torn between that and.

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That. Time. I

32:17

saying that you get back like the time and

32:19

mental energy of just not having to deal with

32:21

suit all day. It makes you so

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much more productive. I think. About

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you gathers. There's so many things that come

32:28

to mind but recently in I've been kind

32:30

of switching back and forth. All of it

32:32

between doing like two meals and some the

32:34

that you one meal and when into the

32:36

one meal a day ago. have to say

32:39

that I feel a me as a he's

32:41

I don't have to thing about food all

32:43

day. I don't really want to have to

32:45

mills either, but there's definitely more profit thought

32:48

that goes into it. so I feel really

32:50

energized. really clear like I just had. My.

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Mean me all right before

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we started recording else like

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least faster because six think

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so much more quickly and.

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I'm just way better. Absence has seen

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from and it's assets and we better

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at everything is offensive switches like probably

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not the case for everyone but personally

33:11

and I think. You're like that you

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eat, just are able to. Your

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really this tactile senate isolate them when I'm an

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official said I'm in my best the a cutting

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as how we're kind of. Designed.

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To be a lot of the time. like

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just add sexually to So I like silicon.

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Thriving for sure when I. Am.

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Far said, I love doing my work on

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fasted. I love how little.

33:34

Meal prep there is how little at

33:36

work goes into it I would say

33:38

also it helps to is like just

33:41

food and everything but for me that's

33:43

like really the protein Pisa did it.

33:46

And. Just like feeling see seated that

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it's like the two together that synergistically

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work together. sick. the high protein, the

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quito, the tetons, the fasting. I still

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like they all work together so well.

33:58

That. I feel amazing. All throughout

34:01

the day isn't very energized.

34:04

Don't have to think about food like

34:06

all those things and just being able

34:08

to maintain. The. Same size

34:10

all the time. like I. Just.

34:13

Have one. Pretty. Much

34:15

like the way my body is now is

34:17

is how it is all the times as

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a both like fluctuating and going up and

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down or it or that kind of things.

34:23

I think that that also liked. And

34:26

thing I really love. I. Love that everything

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is that I feel. The. Same

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way I got to stop myself because I

34:32

could probably talk. I

34:34

hope. I know if you're talking

34:37

of like alice are crying it's it's

34:39

the reason I love know I I

34:41

I feel the exact same way monsieur

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what other people say Okay so

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a really intense interview tomorrow. It's like

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it's you. It's crazy to think

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of Dna was. Not. In

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our lifetime. But in the lifetime of people

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who are alive right now. It's crazy how

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much we've learned. A good discovery

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Susan. Yeah, Like said that

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the game interviewing tomorrow it's to People

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Sleep Price and Nathan Hide. They have

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a book out called the Age of

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Scientific Wellness. It's crazy

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because believe hood my the

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authors, he's like. He's

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like an original like Heats, so he

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literally talks about remembering when they discovered

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Dna and then he. He did. so.

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Much work developing law technologies that we

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use a sequence. Dna.

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And. Stuff. Like that. Today my

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my time at this Oaks, he has a

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whole chapter about. Alzheimer's.

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And dementia and it's really really interesting to

35:41

see them, the history of that and how

35:43

little we seem to know in that scientific

35:46

history of and you know what might help.

35:48

While my be preventative user i don't think

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he talks about fast same we do know.

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the brain. The. Autopsy process

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is likely helpful. say I do

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they There's Perino said assets. Hopefully.

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like dementia. With that saying i'm not

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making like up medical statement but. Okay

36:14

Alice sad so many less brain

36:16

fog, more energy better scan know

36:18

joint pain and it's and freeing

36:20

that time spent thinking and planning

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meals know counting points or calories

36:24

and makes life less complicated. To

36:26

said two years ago I was

36:28

having severe. Knee pain and the doctor

36:30

talked about doing a partial. Or full knee

36:33

replacements. I decided not to go back

36:35

and instead took up spend classes three

36:37

times a week and quip wearing heels.

36:39

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36:41

I hope to fight off the information

36:43

and my knee and today I relatively

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know knee issues can be City had

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a similar story that her doc said

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36:56

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be time restricted. That's funny like that.

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37:23

eating or see needs to bring with

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37:27

that's something as we get a lot

37:30

of questions or yap In the past.

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39:36

the Only Thing That's where. Kathleen

39:39

says a one see an insulin

39:41

levels are now and the optimal

39:43

range. That reminds me of a

39:45

tangent about insulin Theresa not having

39:47

to make breakfast. Nydia.

39:50

She. Says he's not sure she's and fast

39:52

saying on and off. She. Does

39:55

it for two years without stopping. Didn't really

39:57

see any difference except the loss of way

39:59

that she. In back didn't you stop

40:01

for a while but now she's back

40:03

at it so she's going to see

40:05

a will welcome back Nydia Randy's as

40:08

up say correct san. San an

40:10

a simple vice her life Kimberly, grocery

40:12

store, savings or to instill better Zebra

40:14

says he aged backwards. I love that

40:17

she says her face doesn't sag so

40:19

much as before with determined by saying

40:21

she just looks until the younger. And.

40:24

John says sugar control to

40:26

prevent diabetes. Who? That was

40:28

A. As a lot of

40:30

benefits. Thoughts about the

40:33

benefits I've been hearing. Them and

40:35

you know I think that's one the said.

40:38

I first started listening.

40:40

To this podcast he held

40:42

Macklin Jin Boys your cohost

40:44

was I just loved. Talking.

40:47

And hearing other people talk about the benefits

40:50

because it's so nice when you're doing something

40:52

that may be don't know as people are

40:54

undies, do it to and and sometimes you

40:56

feel awkward about a are like you know,

40:59

Everyone. Else lives are like so differently

41:01

than ideal. I mean, I know a

41:03

lot of people. Professionally.

41:05

Or in our community. That do, but

41:08

I don't know lot of people in

41:10

my actual data. The lights. Although there's

41:12

more and more lately something isn't happening.

41:14

Eyesore with intermittent fasting like my mom

41:16

was just doing it earlier in Spain.

41:18

And then we went to. Branch.

41:21

with some friends on the

41:23

weekends and. Some

41:25

my husband's best friends partner with saying

41:27

that she said a d and passing

41:30

with i feel like it's. Getting

41:33

Maybe it's like starting to hit

41:35

and horribly the mainstream like people

41:37

who don't for necessarily in these

41:39

communities anyways is is nice to

41:41

hear other people doing it. I

41:44

loved. Listening. To you

41:46

engine answer the questions of people had

41:48

and just relating to either the benefits

41:50

of a the questions that people have

41:52

about it. So it's really fun to

41:54

hear all the benefits it that people

41:57

experience with it. As like, privilege.

42:00

A half of a thing of it you

42:02

just read I was like yep yep yep

42:04

me feel about twice or I'll hear is

42:07

kids leave like found this lifestyle hack that

42:09

is so amazing and you know once you

42:11

do it in you live in an inner

42:13

you experience the benefits of and I think

42:15

to sleep you don't really want to live

42:17

any other way so yes is really fun

42:20

to hear everyone's. Comments and

42:22

such well thought out replied i

42:24

agree so much. So. Thank you

42:26

everybody for sharing. It was really interesting are

42:28

so many people talked about the surgeries. That

42:31

was really interesting. I thought yeah it's

42:33

it. I have heard that as a

42:35

recurring theme and over the years and

42:37

also in I'm In there is a

42:39

lot of the more things to that

42:41

a hear about like Quito. I think

42:44

you know a lot of these. Lifestyles

42:46

and approaches like they. Tend

42:49

to bring us back to and homeostasis

42:51

ugly get out of the way. Our

42:53

bodies and credible intelligence and natural healing

42:55

snl of them are setting a passing

42:57

last thing on say is that it

43:00

like it. You get out of the

43:02

wave, your own bodies, incredible powerful ability

43:04

to heal and just thrive and you're

43:06

like wow my I am meant to

43:08

thrive. I meant to feel amazing in

43:11

my body when I was doing things

43:13

that prevent it isn't. Eating

43:15

to as far as. To

43:18

why it's I broke up like a lot of our

43:20

modern Lasalle. It's like always said that you wake up

43:22

and. You're either you know, eating

43:24

or drinking something every hour

43:27

of the day. And that that

43:29

definitely gets in the way of our

43:31

body's natural ability to thrive and feel

43:33

amazing. Sucks when we get rid of

43:35

that are we. Do. Something different you

43:37

realize like wow I really cancel amusing all

43:39

the time I'll have to deal with all

43:41

these issues are in a like I used

43:43

to things. Like. Everyday I wake

43:46

up in there would be something something

43:48

in my body that like her to

43:50

earn wasn't. Ray and now it's like

43:52

the opposite. It's It's weird when I

43:54

wake. Up and something is off In I mean.

43:56

Yeah. Same. Here and I'm

43:59

going back to. The Eating The

44:01

Eating. Thing: I think it's really,

44:03

really. Telling. Her enter

44:05

saying because I think of many people have never

44:07

tried intimate fast saying. That. Might sound really

44:10

scary or if you think that you'll be

44:12

like really hungry or so he can seem

44:14

very foreign and you might not be able

44:16

to imagine yourself and to weighing it or

44:18

that it would be something that would actually

44:20

feel good and be quote easy. I find

44:22

it so interesting. To see how much your. Paradigm.

44:26

Can shift completely because once you

44:28

experience it like I just it's

44:30

just so much so. Much easier

44:32

at least for me personally. And I was

44:35

thinking. About how much my paradigm has shifted.

44:37

And maybe when I say this, some people are holiday

44:39

like well I really like that so I don't want

44:41

that assange and in which case more power to you

44:43

fights for example, like. Some me like go

44:45

to a brunch I used to love like I

44:47

would. I would love to go to our parents

44:50

arm and just like pick out and. Everything

44:52

we know right upon weakening, which

44:54

ah, now I like. shudder now.

44:56

And I see. For. Answers I just.

45:00

You cannot cannot pay me to go to a

45:02

branch. Again, since evil School of

45:04

That and. They might notice a change. Of

45:09

we went on Saturday and on

45:12

Sunday and sisters looked. At

45:15

least Monday to Friday. like. this is kind

45:18

of what I've been doing lassie. Monday to

45:20

Friday of Indian. One meal a day and

45:22

dinner. And. Of insulin.

45:24

Great doing that and it hasn't been

45:26

affecting like my breasts on supply or

45:28

anything like that. Although I did

45:30

go back for like about a month to

45:32

doing two meals a day and then on

45:34

Saturday and Sunday. We had friends and

45:37

that we had dinner is that it was

45:39

again back to my other pattern of like

45:41

breakfast and dinner and to months. In

45:43

between so I know the like a. Variation

45:46

of enter into thing that I've kind

45:48

of a call it like circadian rhythm.

45:50

Fancy. it'll be different. Bad. I love.

45:52

like one of the listener said, the

45:54

flexibility of it and that's how I

45:56

feel like. You know I can

45:58

and just are like some these. Have. A

46:01

big lunch and then I'm not hungry for dinner.

46:03

The battle be my main meal of the daily

46:05

get just. It's adaptable. It's flexible. You know

46:07

if you can. Worker But

46:09

I love Brand so I went to

46:11

his on the loved one of Britain's

46:13

I find it's like such a fun

46:15

social activity are usually. Don't have

46:18

a huge meal. They're like I used

46:20

to have a huge meal. When we go

46:22

for range now I usually just have like a

46:24

small. Protein. Be seen like some.

46:26

Eggs or bring some protein bread with me.

46:29

And. It's like a relatively smaller protein meal for

46:31

me. To Brentwood I would have of my

46:33

one meal or or when I would have

46:35

at home and I like the flexibility that

46:37

by select you can kind of still stayed

46:39

in things like that into your life. If

46:41

you want you and you don't have to

46:43

toilet coke and I'm passing is still make

46:45

it work for you. I'm really glad you

46:47

said that. Have that experience because I think

46:49

that covers like all the options. And that

46:52

can manifest, You know? There

46:54

is a path for everybody. I

46:57

know, I sort of. maybe. I wish I

46:59

was like that for me if I. Break

47:01

from my. Normal. Potter and

47:04

it just messes up everything for me.

47:06

like circadian rhythm wise and like hunger.

47:08

Why is it just throws me for

47:10

a loop? I mean it doctor such

47:12

intent as very strict about like. He

47:15

should have. The. Heat See says the

47:17

researchers like the best When you do your time

47:20

restricted eating at the same window every day and

47:22

you eat at the same time every like and

47:24

like. There's no way I'm eating at the same

47:26

time as he put some he views and I

47:29

am much older. I get out some kind of

47:31

program like that or. Maybe.

47:33

You are other people a thing could

47:35

eat at same time the plate for

47:37

as there's like a target you know

47:39

and it happens like everyday and differently

47:41

to Switzerland. two little ones that like.

47:44

When I hear him say that are when I

47:46

interviewed him line and the reasons but like I

47:48

know he says is it the same time or

47:50

a with this the think there's no he has

47:53

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47:55

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47:57

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back to the sell. Off.

51:33

Of it. So I'm so glad he said that

51:35

I was not that he the that was his.

51:38

Belief. System M S. I

51:40

like hearing it just because I feel like

51:42

I. So often shearer.

51:45

The. Officer was, I'm all about. Find

51:47

what works for you. I have been reading a

51:49

lot of. Many. Palaces books

51:51

right now because I'm interviewing her.

51:54

Soon. Did you have her on

51:56

your show? Know so she's more about

51:59

like cycling to. types of fasts.

52:01

And actually, we have a

52:03

question, I'll go in and read it because it

52:05

relates to what we're talking about. Nicole wanted to

52:07

know, should you cycle your length? I go from 12

52:09

to 20, depending on my

52:11

days. So okay, so like, so

52:13

like we were saying, lots of

52:15

different opinions and perspectives here. And

52:18

before even you and I right now

52:20

had this conversation about Dr. Panda, when

52:23

I was just thinking about this question, I was

52:25

thinking about how I really feel like it's more

52:28

intuitive than not. And by

52:30

intuitive, I mean, once you

52:33

have your fasting muscle and know what fasting feels like

52:35

and know what feels good for your body, I like

52:38

a more intuitive approach. So like, for me

52:40

intuitively, I feel the best doing

52:42

the same thing, the same window ish

52:45

every day, whereas Vanessa feels best changing

52:47

it up like she was talking about, I think

52:49

it gets confusing because there are people who have very

52:51

specific protocols. So like Dr. Peltz, who I'm

52:54

going to interview, she'll be on the Melanie

52:56

Avalon biohacking podcast. She's like very

52:58

specific and like fasting according to your cycle.

53:00

And, you know, you fast less

53:03

right before your period and right before ovulation

53:05

and you fast longer term ever

53:07

when you fast longer first 10 minutes

53:10

your cycle probably, okay, actually, that doesn't

53:12

make sense. So a lot of

53:14

people will have that approach. But then we have Dr. Panda who's saying,

53:16

you know, do the same thing every day. I'll

53:19

just talk about the reason I like fasting

53:21

the same every day. Maybe Vanessa can talk

53:23

more a little bit more about what she was just talking about with

53:25

what she does. For me, I

53:27

like it because I do find that

53:29

my, my hunger hormones like ghrelin and

53:31

leptin, well, leptin is a satiety hormone,

53:34

but we have seen studies

53:36

that they tend to follow like a circadian pattern.

53:38

And so like with ghrelin, it

53:40

gets released based on

53:42

your anticipated meal times. So it's

53:45

one of the reasons that if you have been

53:47

eating constantly or say you've been eating breakfast, lunch

53:49

and dinner, and then you switch to like dinner

53:51

only, you're probably going to get hungry at

53:54

breakfast and dinner. Part of

53:56

that could be because your ghrelin pattern is

53:58

still going. And so I think there is

54:00

a benefit to sticking to something where

54:02

you will wipe out that hunger

54:05

cue, which might be happening at

54:07

a different time. That could be a thing.

54:09

That's something I experience. And then on the other hand,

54:12

some people will make the argument that it's nice

54:15

to vary things up because you keep your body

54:17

guessing, which

54:19

I do agree with that.

54:22

I guess for me, what I would probably do,

54:24

I don't know, for me, I'm just so like, I

54:26

just so enjoy the pattern that I have that it's

54:28

hard for me to really diverge from. And I think

54:31

if I were to do anything, I would just fast,

54:33

like do a longer fast. But

54:35

I really think people in the end should be intuitive.

54:37

And maybe that's too much of a casual approach.

54:39

But Vanessa, do you have any, any

54:42

more thoughts about it? Definitely. So

54:44

I think one of

54:46

my really good friends, she works with

54:50

Dr. Jason Fong, Megan Ramos, and

54:53

she has always advocated

54:56

switching up your fasting when

54:59

you want to lose weight. So

55:02

your goal is fat loss. She

55:05

definitely believes what you just said that if

55:07

you do the same thing every single day, like she

55:09

says, do all mad if you have like 10 to

55:12

20 pounds to lose. If

55:15

you have more than that to lose, it's not

55:17

a good idea. It's just do all mad every

55:19

single day because eventually your body will adjust. So

55:22

she talks a lot about switching things

55:24

up. Like she usually recommends that people

55:26

do like two 36

55:29

hour fasts a week, which

55:31

has got all these different

55:33

permutations and like different approaches

55:36

and recommends that people

55:38

switch it up so that your body doesn't

55:40

get used to it. Just like with

55:42

exercise, like our bodies are adaptation machines, like

55:44

they do adapt to what we do

55:47

on a regular basis. So I

55:50

think that there's definitely a case to be made for

55:52

that. Like if you are doing fat

55:54

loss, like I just had a baby. I

55:56

didn't really gain a ton of weight,

55:58

but I didn't. actually gain much

56:00

weight at all during this second pregnancy.

56:03

The first one I did gain a little bit, but

56:05

this most recent one I didn't gain,

56:08

but I don't feel as toned as

56:10

I was before because I wasn't

56:13

able to do the

56:15

same amount of activity. I

56:17

tried to, but I just feel

56:20

a little softer. I don't know how

56:22

to explain it exactly.

56:25

I don't think that I necessarily

56:27

have gained weight, but I just don't

56:29

feel as like my body says

56:31

like, what's the word for it?

56:33

Like tone? I guess maybe tone. So I've

56:36

been switching it up a little bit and

56:38

I am noticing things feeling

56:41

more toned since I started doing the one meal a

56:43

day again. For me though,

56:45

long term, I probably

56:49

will switch back and forth between doing two

56:51

meals and one meal a day because

56:54

once I'm back at my whatever

56:58

body composition that I feel my best at,

57:01

I'm just going to want to be maintaining there. So

57:03

I'm not too worried about having to switch it up

57:06

all the time. It's just that more social

57:09

things will come up or we'll

57:11

be going out for brunches on

57:13

the weekend or we'll be going on vacation when there's

57:15

a breakfast buffet and a dinner buffet. There's things like

57:18

that that I'll be switching up for, but that's

57:20

kind of the way that I look at it is like, what

57:22

are you optimizing for? What are your goals? If

57:25

it's just to enjoy the benefits of intermittent fasting

57:28

overall and you're not necessarily like

57:30

looking to lose weight, then I don't

57:32

think you need to switch it up all the time. But

57:35

I do think that if you want

57:37

to switch it up, you can. Like there's no hard

57:39

and set rules. Like that's one of the things we've

57:41

kind of been the theme of today's podcast is like,

57:44

what's so great about intermittent fasting is it's like this

57:47

ability to not snack between meals and

57:49

to feel this food freedom and to

57:52

really enjoy your meals when you have them, but

57:55

you don't have to do the same thing every single

57:57

day. So you know, there's kind of

57:59

a. a few different like thoughts there and you know

58:02

I think it just comes down to like what

58:04

you're primarily optimizing for and

58:06

if it's just for the benefits that come with

58:08

intermittent fasting I would say like

58:10

you could do different windows but you don't have

58:12

to like it sounds like in your question you're

58:15

asking if you need to be switching it

58:17

up and I don't think like that's a requirement.

58:19

That was so helpful. Yeah I

58:21

really like that I really like Megan Ramis's perspective.

58:23

I'm actually I'm interviewing her again as well we

58:26

we had to keep pushing it back a little

58:28

bit. Did she just wait did she just have

58:30

a baby? Yeah okay yeah cuz

58:32

I was gonna interview her right around I

58:35

think when she had the baby so that's

58:37

awesome. Love it love it

58:39

love it I did want to comment

58:42

as well on something that the breastfeeding

58:44

park because I found this

58:48

I was doing a lot of prep because this

58:50

week I was on not this week

58:52

last week I recorded

58:54

for an upcoming menopause summit where

58:57

I talked about so I talked about intermittent fasting

59:00

for menopause so it was really fun actually

59:02

it has not aired yet so I

59:04

think you can still sign up and it's completely free

59:06

so definitely so definitely

59:09

sign up I'm a speaker JJ

59:11

Virgin is in it my friend Catherine

59:14

Arntston at Energy Bits and then a

59:16

lot of other really fabulous women as

59:18

well as some men so you can

59:20

go to Melanie avalon.com/ menopause summit

59:24

and it's called the over 40 and

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fabulous women's summit so I

59:28

talked about intermittent fasting for menopause while

59:30

doing research for that and look trying

59:32

to find the studies I did come

59:35

across a study relevant to weaponists so

59:37

it was talking about which was

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it was looking at prolactin

59:42

which is a hormone responsible

59:45

for milk production and

59:47

mammary gland development and

59:49

it did a review of that for diet

59:52

and fasting and how things might affect it and

59:54

so it said that

59:56

accumulating evidence suggests that weight

59:59

loss diets Sorry, that weight

1:00:01

loss through dietary interventions

1:00:03

does not significantly affect prolactin

1:00:05

levels. So just in general, that's just

1:00:08

dieting. At the point that this

1:00:10

article was written, there had only been one study on

1:00:12

intermittent fasting and prolactin, but it was

1:00:14

in, it was a 5-2 approach. So

1:00:17

that's where you're eating normally for five

1:00:19

days and fasting for

1:00:21

two of the days. And

1:00:24

this was for 24 weeks and it was

1:00:26

in premenopausal women who were overweight and obese.

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And there was not any effect

1:00:32

on their prolactin levels. So they

1:00:34

said that the results, although very

1:00:36

limited, suggest that intermittent fasting may

1:00:38

be safe for lactating females. There

1:00:41

was also another study on the effect

1:00:43

of a 5-2 diet on weight loss

1:00:46

and gestational diabetes risk reduction in breastfeeding

1:00:49

women. And that study

1:00:51

also showed that intermittent fasting was safe

1:00:53

in that population group, was well tolerated

1:00:55

and led to no adverse changes in

1:00:57

their milk production. So they

1:00:59

said that the findings warranted that basically they need

1:01:01

more studies, but the studies to date

1:01:04

did not show any adverse effects. So

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I just wanted to comment on that.

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Yes. I thought you were going to be

1:01:10

talking about this because I did a couple of episodes, I think it

1:01:12

was like a year ago, just on

1:01:14

how intermittent fasting affects women's hormones.

1:01:18

And one of the, I think we probably were

1:01:20

talking about the statement paper and it found that

1:01:22

it had no effect on prolactin, which I thought

1:01:24

was really cool. And it only had beneficial

1:01:27

effects on all of the other female

1:01:29

hormones. So that was really cool. Oh, and we can

1:01:31

put links in the show notes. You said those were

1:01:33

episodes on your show. Yeah. It was

1:01:35

about like, I remember it was right when you and I first started

1:01:37

recording. Oh my God, we're coming up on

1:01:39

a year. I was thinking

1:01:42

about that. Yesterday, somebody asked me

1:01:44

how long we've been recording together. And I was like, I was

1:01:47

like, um, I was like, I think

1:01:50

a year. And then I was like, wait,

1:01:52

Vanessa literally went from like not pregnant to

1:01:54

like carrying a child to like delivering a

1:01:56

child. So it was at least recording

1:02:01

last May. So yeah, we're coming up on

1:02:03

a year already, or anniversary,

1:02:05

but I remember when we first

1:02:07

started recording together last May, I had just

1:02:09

been doing a

1:02:11

bunch of episodes on the Ultimate Protein

1:02:14

podcast about how intermittent fasting affects

1:02:16

women's hormones, because it's a question that we

1:02:18

both get all the time. And

1:02:20

I think at the

1:02:23

time it had been getting some negative

1:02:25

headlines about that. So I purposely

1:02:28

dedicated some full episodes to going

1:02:30

through the research and showing that

1:02:32

in most cases what's happening

1:02:34

is beneficial effects on sex

1:02:37

hormone, finding globulin, on estrogen levels,

1:02:39

on all of the androgens,

1:02:41

like reducing androgens and all of

1:02:44

those hormones that, you know, levels

1:02:46

that you don't want to have, the bad estrogens

1:02:48

and everything else going through all of that. And

1:02:50

I remember seeing that more

1:02:52

research was being called for, but that it

1:02:54

did show that it did not have an

1:02:56

adverse effect on prolactin, which I saw with

1:02:59

both times that I did, you

1:03:02

know, breastfeeding with Luca and

1:03:04

now with Damien, like it didn't affect the levels

1:03:07

at all. And I

1:03:09

think I was saying on one other

1:03:11

episode that we had that I was like scared to

1:03:14

try to go back to doing OMAID, even though

1:03:16

I was like feeling called to it, like longing

1:03:18

for that, like not eating all

1:03:20

day, like feeling the freedom and the time to,

1:03:22

you know, actually get other things done. And

1:03:25

I was a little bit nervous too, but then I got

1:03:27

like the stomach flu for two days. So

1:03:30

I couldn't eat for two days and I

1:03:33

totally lost my appetite and my breast milk

1:03:35

was great. So there was, it didn't affect

1:03:37

it at all. And I'm not saying

1:03:39

that's going to be the case for everyone, but

1:03:41

it's good to know that there is research actually

1:03:43

supporting that. It doesn't have any adverse effects

1:03:45

on prolactin. Yeah, no, that's amazing. We'll

1:03:48

put links in the show notes to those episodes

1:03:50

that you did so people can dive in deep.

1:03:53

I redived in for that menopause summit, although

1:03:55

I was looking specifically for studies on

1:03:57

menopausal women and there was...

1:04:00

less than in premenopausal women,

1:04:02

but in general, it seems

1:04:05

to be that there's not, like,

1:04:08

there's either not an effect or there's

1:04:10

a beneficial effect or there's like slight, I

1:04:13

couldn't find anything that was like, that showed

1:04:15

a really, you know, detrimental

1:04:17

effect. And there's all this

1:04:19

fear surrounding it. And maybe we can

1:04:21

talk about this more in a future

1:04:23

episode. Yeah, I'd love to. So, yeah,

1:04:26

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