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week's show which is gonna be about

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slatter as and conspiracy theories since

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then this is true early

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panelists cold have he got illness

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and had to cancel yeah i met

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we'd made sitting on a show about

1:13

conspiracy theories the main guess

1:15

this is certainly gets is certainly

1:18

says he has food poisoning i

1:20

hear illuminati out

1:22

there somewhere so basically

1:24

as we discovered yet again the illuminati

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have used a complex system of slightly

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of vala bones to make sure

1:32

i was silence the truce get six

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and reinforce the narrative of the mainstream

1:37

media doesn't

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, the sell by date on some pastry

1:42

oh that is very much what

1:44

the scientists and experts

1:47

would say i would imagine anyway we we

1:49

postpone that so until the awesome can

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i just say i see that that because you used term

1:54

autumn used as someone who is where interesting

1:56

for earth interesting am also an autumn deny us

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ah i

2:00

think the screen or honestly

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million created by the leaf blower

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industry so

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today we're asking we're asking question

2:11

artsy brains better than one given

2:14

robbers introduction especially answer must be defense

2:16

which brain you choose so

2:19

how important the human mind is interaction

2:22

with other minds and what have we learned

2:24

from learned strange experiment of two

2:26

years of living in relative isolation

2:29

starts these questions were joined by to neuroscientist

2:31

and a new romantic and they are

2:33

my name says he's got i'm the director the institute

2:36

for cognitive neuroscience at university

2:38

college london and

2:40

, most underestimated

2:43

aspects of the policy the human brain is

2:45

the ability to grow insane she was

2:48

born with eighty six

2:50

billion neurons

2:52

the

2:53

there's a pretty much the ones you gonna have for your whole

2:55

life they do any

2:57

change any developments anything

2:59

different a happy

3:00

you and your experiences over

3:02

your life all of a is because a change

3:04

in your brain anything you remember from the season

3:07

will because your brain has changed

3:11

noise

3:14

the hi i'm or to frisk

3:17

i'm process of cognitive developed

3:19

so we're developing brain yes

3:21

big mystery that

3:24

my idea

3:26

of the most underestimated

3:29

amazing the few of the brain is

3:32

learning

3:34

some of us just by watching

3:36

them

3:36

having to make your own mistakes

3:39

all the time but actually letting other

3:41

people making those mistakes

3:45

hi i'm anna davis i'm a comedian and

3:47

actor and sometimes writer and

3:49

my most the underestimated feature

3:52

the human brain is i'm addressing it

3:54

said when the baseball pitcher from

3:57

the time it takes to get to the hitter

4:00

how quick it's impossible

4:03

the reflexes of the it it's a hit the ball this

4:06

shouldn't be or to move their hands in time yet

4:09

they do frequently

4:12

it's impossible how do

4:14

they know it's gonna be i'm a huge fan

4:16

of i've

4:21

been in the tradition of into a monkey cage

4:23

we should tear up the script to that point

4:25

and the first question said v to and sir

4:28

alan's question because it's an interesting question

4:30

sir how ten we

4:32

respond so quickly to something cook

4:34

up so complex as to fly at the baseball

4:36

it's such a good question

4:37

than and the answer is

4:39

the brain

4:41

and the mine

4:42

the same thing of

4:44

course the brain is

4:46

a prediction injecting

4:49

that's what it's doing all

4:51

the time so i'm not talking about production

4:53

next year will even next week

4:56

but , many second to milliseconds

4:59

milliseconds that's what the brain does all

5:01

the time and that been

5:03

millions and millions of

5:06

years of evolution for

5:08

this to get really resigned

5:10

from the very very simple organisms

5:13

or didn't have a have onwards

5:16

till we talking about

5:19

our own

5:19

human brain

5:21

and as it gets pretty much except

5:24

in our circle said yes prediction

5:26

is what the

5:27

wondering whether i would

5:30

make these predictions is because the ball doesn't

5:32

just leave the pitch his hands they've

5:34

moved to get to that point and

5:37

what you're doing is you're tracking everything

5:39

associated with that movements in there will be needs

5:41

to use that the at the brains and used

5:43

to work out

5:45

when it's coming and exactly where it's going

5:47

and that's something that's

5:49

we actually do all the time you when you look

5:51

at people moving you are working out what they're likely to

5:53

do next he hardly even have to pay any attention

5:55

to it your brain is always trying to predict

5:57

people's intentions or than isn't the

6:00

that to be able to hit that baseball

6:02

you have to have whether it's ten thousand

6:05

hours of practice or not you have to been

6:07

able to be on the receiving end of that pitches certain

6:09

number of times yourself talk about the brain learning

6:12

in changing him growing absolutely

6:14

support your skill so i remember haven't

6:16

played baseball a third rounders and i've had enough

6:18

going around is both bounce of my for it to

6:20

know that there is a certain degree skill involved

6:23

in actually being else notice where

6:25

that's coming from and how to me things but

6:27

of course told met your own reactions to that

6:30

they might be one brief action but actually everything

6:32

that led up to that is highly coordinated

6:34

and highly skilled i

6:36

would also add something about you know

6:38

my pet theory about how

6:41

, we are learning from others one

6:43

of the things we do is copying others

6:46

not necessarily consciously copying not

6:48

visibly copying thoughts when

6:51

you obsess somebody making a movement

6:53

you kind of make it internally

6:56

uses the almost controlled doing

6:58

that copying is

7:00

absolutely pervasive

7:04

sometimes , notice it see touch solar

7:06

cells sleep he might copy somebody

7:08

saxons saxons the way

7:11

they walk but most of the time

7:13

it's it's highly inside

7:16

that that the brain is just preparing

7:18

these things are these actions

7:21

in case it has to meet them and

7:23

pc example it's called upon

7:25

to catch

7:27

the series is is

7:29

well it is unconscious in a sense as they were

7:31

not aware of the sun know we're making

7:33

these predictions of retiring hit the ball

7:36

i'm he saw it's almost reason

7:38

too fast to have

7:40

to think about it but the interesting thing is

7:43

that we also have us another gear

7:45

baby town dickens's but that takes

7:47

quite a lot of time may have to really think

7:49

about it snowed the thing about copying

7:52

if , do it very very fast

7:55

and at very subtly what

7:57

the effect is that

7:59

the other person likes you

8:02

more

8:04

very interesting it's sort of gives don't

8:06

but if you do it in such

8:09

a way that the other person actually notices

8:12

, you're copying that

8:14

i'm okay

8:17

and you get very very upset

8:20

and that gets into the

8:21

the spirit which is always

8:24

oh the arena for

8:27

possible deception manipulation

8:30

and a lot of not so good always

8:33

interesting when i'm a remember when tetris

8:35

do is on the show and i asked if afterwards

8:37

about am angry and com says bang sing

8:39

and as gonna shoot and i soon as you do this

8:41

no this shakespearean plays and

8:44

he said you have to learn it to the point

8:46

where you are not trying to remember what you're

8:48

gonna sign that means because any look like

8:50

you're acting and the i it's terrified

8:52

me the idea that you would send up

8:54

and do hamlets has some bits and had no

8:57

idea what you're going to say but than the

8:59

sets me will you have no idea what you gonna say next now

9:01

he and i wondered whether you to either a hearse

9:03

hugely that was the has been

9:05

entertainment performers and and sportspeople

9:08

to is , those in in the

9:10

motor skills of racehorses the

9:12

moment of pressure the moment of opening

9:14

night or the cup final and

9:16

you have to perform their and then everyone knows

9:19

that they're of emotional presses

9:22

presses begins impact begins the

9:24

brain's ability to put your hands in the right

9:27

place and the right moment and that's quite

9:29

an interesting both of these things

9:31

appear to be unconscious

9:33

both moving your arm and the most of your emotions

9:35

moving it's like the wrong he did you that when you're actually

9:38

when you forget the lines

9:40

essentially so it lines when you sat

9:43

and you not know what you're going to say next

9:45

time some acting months you if you be doing

9:47

something for a while it's what's really hard as if

9:49

you are doing and play and you do you have

9:51

done it over and over over and over again i'm in

9:53

one night something happens in the corner

9:55

vi and rights and

9:58

the next lines gone

10:00

and it is absolutely not

10:02

retrievable

10:03

you look at the person opposite you and they think

10:06

oh it's gonna met her

10:09

, i'm going to say something

10:11

i doesn't between you and your eyes are

10:13

ya the your side you have you say something now

10:15

to the it will come back as you say something and

10:17

then now say something like did you meet talk

10:19

about the taps yes attacks languages

10:24

light languages nice as an unconscious

10:26

it's a wonderful example x yet you've

10:28

just given about and interact sense

10:31

where be computers so full sets

10:33

retreat as a except it's it's it's it was

10:36

and i would robin if you're if

10:38

you

10:38

cleaning about not being out you

10:40

know sports hero you

10:42

really are really of that book hero

10:44

onto you couldn't basically you know

10:47

never run out of worse

10:48

never run out which , no

10:50

actually so many people you know be a heroic

10:52

position that

10:54

you can also turns

10:57

the right moment you don't have a people

11:00

you or your interrupt them been at boring

11:02

which is very good saying that this

11:04

kind of interplay also depends

11:07

also lot on this secret copying

11:09

and i don't think that you

11:12

need necessary the lot of practice

11:14

but that's what we do a that's just their

11:17

from even from us

11:19

from after birth so

11:22

something like that

11:23

already puts us into the

11:26

world and that is social world

11:28

we are interested in what other people

11:30

are doing or saying where they're looking

11:33

because that dot is really our

11:36

world you know our habitats

11:38

the so it's not as if you never go back to

11:40

whatever acting or patricio said it's it's

11:42

easy rehearse enough enough enough enough

11:44

that it's so you really aren't thing that linux

11:47

what begins to emerge is

11:49

, and your confidence

11:51

in your skill you have her you

11:53

the person person then the audience might

11:55

connect with you the access through

11:57

the behind the ,

11:59

starmer respect , lock

12:02

in the speech to the labour compass aussie and he was

12:04

under arrest he didn't sound

12:06

like kiss nama he said about somebody

12:08

was giving a speech at been written perhaps be worked

12:11

on even late the night before before

12:13

i called up a friend of mine is a theater director said you

12:15

need to get hold of his of he's

12:17

it's a he needs to rest he

12:19

needs to practice this and rehearsing or

12:21

house and rehearse and when she's gotta hit who

12:24

he is gotta hit respected former

12:27

crown prosecution service head he

12:29

did it will come through but

12:31

at the moment he's trying to be something

12:33

is not is not practice enough and it's not working

12:36

it was that it's an interesting thing what

12:38

was happening there sophie's is there brain

12:41

the thing to do it so the scale

12:43

is sinking into your unconscious

12:45

in some sense he becoming less aware

12:47

what you're doing when your practice and you're getting

12:50

better as he was actually happening

12:52

the difference finity look at something like talking

12:54

because

12:56

it's always a performance some grieve

12:58

and that literally com sense the brain system so

13:01

humans have up a strip

13:04

of controlled a brain areas controlled

13:06

most her accent

13:07

the in a voluntary wife and we

13:09

can do things initiative

13:11

we have control over our body other primates and other

13:13

mammals them have supported in our

13:15

brains economy valves together to make a sees

13:18

terrifying little machines that we are

13:19

that means that when we do a voluntary

13:22

action it's always a bit

13:24

of a performance so until can see now and

13:26

i'm thinking well i'm to sounding like so say i'm

13:28

actually i'm not i would sound different

13:30

if i was back in then i would sound different

13:32

if is on shuffle market trying to buy fruit or

13:34

if i just been arrested or also to situations

13:37

where you might so three what the

13:40

us is it services as an elephant

13:42

a performance thera think of them what we resonate

13:45

to when we listened to people

13:47

talking is a degree

13:49

of their

13:50

for a nap performance so if you are

13:52

unsure are uncertain your

13:55

you've got a speech that you don't know well

13:57

see you're concentrating on reading it

13:59

and your attention will be that we very good

14:02

at selling is so i'm reading vs speaking spontaneous

14:04

lakes it's one of the secrets of that thing

14:06

is is that get to that point

14:08

so we

14:09

the ready to things always going on there's always

14:11

a performance and we his listeners of

14:14

very very good at picking up when

14:16

the something a bit in authentic that

14:18

performance someone's trying to do something that's not

14:20

quite working they might be trying

14:24

to make that was some different market

14:25

that she was famously instructed to lower

14:27

the pitch of her voice and often when you listen

14:30

to her now you can kind of here the ss she's

14:32

trying very hard stay down

14:33

i'm actually women in the west

14:36

have

14:36

in really done that they've lowered the pictures of their voices

14:38

as they believed in the workplace and most the

14:40

time to the some classes in authentic the she was

14:42

trying really hard and you're hearing the

14:44

asset you're hearing that you don't necessarily

14:46

know why it's happening but you're hearing

14:49

that something's not quite right

14:50

not some of not totally confidence

14:52

in that

14:53

home and pretty of never going to use that as one

14:55

so now has moved to show to which i

14:58

, because as as he said the beginning as you

15:00

saying that the mind and brain of us at pretty

15:02

much the same thing but i wanted was it is

15:04

there a divide though does it line which braun

15:06

always tells me of to align our seas over and over

15:08

again be ten campbell the great seats direct

15:10

my teeth sites you is just one

15:12

of the things your brain does so

15:16

the moink something in the brain rather

15:18

than saying the mind is the whole brain had we

15:20

define the difference between mind brain

15:22

is if we wish to change

15:25

would you can try to take his an analogy

15:27

the which isn't entirely what with computers and

15:29

say that the brain is the

15:31

the hardware and the mind

15:33

is the software and how how it runs

15:36

it's probably not quite as simple

15:38

as fast because

15:40

you can imagine you can think of the mind

15:42

is being some of the things that the brain

15:45

does

15:46

the brain does a lot more

15:48

than the things that we tend to think of as

15:50

mind so right now we're all

15:52

sitting in chairs were not sliding down

15:54

on the floor is actually a friend the huge

15:56

amount of work to maintain the muscle

15:58

control it keeps a surprise i'm sitting in a turn

16:01

against you have no way of accessing lessons

16:03

they should it's very hard set to make yourself

16:05

relax so much it slide on the so don't try

16:07

and services i'd settle for like

16:09

when you talk about walking going down second i

16:11

thought the whole audience would forget how to do and

16:14

we just moved in together

16:16

there we don't normally think of that the function

16:18

of the mines is this i think his his

16:20

business beautifully put their faith

16:23

and i would i would mention

16:25

i think anybody's talk about the brain we should

16:28

really all talk about the body the

16:30

brain and body and mean you know that there

16:33

and be quite often think

16:35

of the mind generally

16:38

as something sort of outside

16:40

you know outside everything to sort of

16:42

in a bar and and

16:45

it's , wrong we

16:48

, are totally sold

16:50

on this idea that

16:53

we are of a conscious says

16:55

the thing else is going on behind

16:58

you know the brain

17:01

the and me a link to do with

17:03

it kind of

17:04

but that's all the very start

17:06

the illusion

17:08

because that consists page is

17:10

a tiny tiny

17:12

percentage of what

17:14

really goes on not just in brain

17:17

and body but also in the mind

17:19

itself because we have queen

17:22

in their lap

17:23

to prove and

17:25

setting doubt

17:26

these things that normally don't never

17:28

see the light of dates these unconscious

17:30

processes sit up always going

17:33

on and be to know that there

17:35

is a the is a conversation

17:37

as it's dialogue between the the

17:39

unconscious automatic bates

17:41

doing all that different jobs

17:44

in it's amazing way and

17:46

they have out ways of communicating

17:49

something slightly wrong and then

17:51

control comes and says well

17:53

maybe slow down maybe oh

17:56

careful to something else

17:59

the right on top

18:02

he's an amazing interface

18:05

to of them lives this is

18:07

really very very useful

18:10

because i keep saying we'd learn

18:12

from others

18:13

they have so much more experience than

18:15

one person on their own and

18:18

we can take advantage

18:19

and we can sort of use

18:22

a lot of information that they for witty

18:24

filtered out is really important

18:27

really valuable which is get it immediately

18:30

he was set the so much in has it's

18:32

i saw can't let you go you

18:34

said we have ways in the lab sinister

18:40

just one example of the way he's usaf

18:42

didn't eleventh and

18:44

deep underground his assignments underground

18:48

in queens square subway

18:50

surfers

18:51

besides there are these scanners

18:54

and there are eg machines

18:57

and machines magnet to save fellow

18:59

grams and all sorts of devices

19:02

and devices and to be deep underground because i have

19:04

to be completely see

19:05

that she's , of those like

19:07

voice is amelia you

19:10

that is a technique to them transcranial

19:12

magnetic stimulate in and everything that uses

19:14

just describes his up the these

19:16

the amazing techniques taking pictures

19:19

effect leave the brain in doing

19:21

things so the gotta look at the brain's electrical

19:23

discharge is a look at west the brains doing

19:25

neural activity and we can guess phenomenal

19:27

amounts information about that and i'm show a comeback

19:29

to

19:30

but you can also try and directly

19:32

this the functions of

19:34

the brain by using transcranial

19:36

magnetic stimulation and that's basically involves

19:39

a sussex you have a a coil

19:41

switch your place in heaven as i don't

19:45

know i think know lessons as the most of

19:47

the most kind of a simple about

19:50

rich you have sees you basically have

19:52

a as as and and eight shakes coils

19:54

that youth place over somebody said

19:57

robin said oh my head as as we

19:59

both on it

19:59

and then you sundays very large

20:02

electrical signal through that coil and

20:04

then that generates a magnetic field

20:07

strong enough the penetrate

20:09

sue the scalp

20:11

i'm actually have enough

20:12

on the brain cells we sit underneath his your

20:14

brain cells are driven

20:16

by electrical charge they

20:18

they they send information in this way see can

20:20

get the sell studies brain cells to send

20:22

message

20:23

the all at once because he suddenly the says of

20:25

this discharge and you can either use that

20:27

to stop it said the brain

20:29

from working or to makes

20:32

them stimulate brought the brain said he moved

20:34

down seventies most strict that brain area that said

20:36

controls fallen tree actions you can be singers

20:38

and legs and things i can't recommend is not very nice

20:41

i love aware of and three boys

20:43

were annoyed when you couldn't find a bit the my sympathy

20:47

for then he's

20:48

if you get some really fancy that can go a little little

20:50

wrinkle in the much the motorcycle the hams

20:52

know the focus of humor

20:55

and you can move the thing is individually is

20:57

striking with enemies that we slightly food from

20:59

that on the left hand side of the brain down

21:02

here and you can

21:04

tell

21:04

the off somebody's his ability to talk robin

21:07

we did this i think i did it is you jebel him

21:09

some lot out of that was pretty am a slightly

21:11

toasted garen gimble in the waves or

21:13

memes he was a boy and

21:15

then as it was just and as you got

21:17

this like that you did about five or six

21:20

times didn't you get was and it was such

21:22

an intriguing thing because sometimes

21:24

you could see the words and you couldn't quite understand

21:27

why you can get understand then sometimes it was like a bank

21:29

and eighty nine susie's other slightly

21:32

wasn't an incentive nine really wish

21:34

that we've been able to get more information

21:36

from yet the times as he could see him moving

21:39

around very slightly around this area

21:41

the bicycle broken very because it

21:43

was discovered by neuroscientist year

21:45

old school brooker that discovered you just meeting

21:47

than that it's that very complex the subway

21:49

you could see the savvy slightly

21:51

different

21:52

experiences that you were having as you were trying

21:54

to talk said there's so much more going

21:56

on inside that we're going with a pretty blunt tool

21:58

that it was very dramatic

21:59

may i recommend it's you all

22:02

of you get know don't you really do suggest he was

22:04

unusual there and silly he said it

22:06

did didn't give the suggestion that there is

22:08

something complex about

22:10

robbins responses to finish

22:13

what we generally do is we say

22:15

we're going in and up bits of the brain and we give someone a tough

22:17

to do and we've been our economy your

22:19

eyes anymore you can't speak aloud anymore

22:21

you're you're slower twenty nine things what

22:24

we don't generally don't is to say what is what is

22:26

like

22:27

and it made me think we

22:29

should do that more particularly

22:31

with someone who's got lots of insights into their

22:33

ability to speak because

22:36

you were reporting savvy difference as

22:39

either aspects let you just said sometimes you new

22:41

exotic woods wants to decide that you couldn't certain

22:43

other times it was all just

22:44

on and the

22:46

jaime tiny

22:47

infants involved so you could be would have been very

22:49

interesting to actually spend more time mapping

22:51

around rather than single we got forty

22:54

people and we got this effect just do a journey into

22:56

your brain i'm available i'm happy i don't

22:58

care i don't know if it really movie i would like to

23:00

be a long are the very least i'd like to be a footnote

23:02

you know what that because it was also the inner

23:04

voice he stopped which was even better because they

23:07

do you

23:09

know i wasn't i as as that yeah

23:12

would you offer yourself up for these kinds

23:14

of experiments something because i find it quite

23:16

no

23:18

i find it you've got more to lose than i have

23:21

you , for your brain of reflects

23:23

on just has been a regular hobos so

23:26

it wouldn't buy that was a similar got a duffle

23:28

coat is fine young i feel

23:30

i would have never for example

23:32

wanted to be hypnotized and

23:35

i feel like anything with control was

23:37

taken away with alarm

23:39

they don't know how are you alarmed

23:41

by the idea that it does it strikes

23:44

me the fact that the ways people

23:46

for example the way people in london speak now

23:48

if i'm from the way people in london spoke forty

23:50

indicates that to leave the lucy might be happening

23:52

bit more quickly than

23:55

they more now he's going to come out of

23:57

wombs in the future

23:59

looking for a photo exhibit

24:03

, very everyone is right that miles

24:05

to spare screen or or completely

24:08

terrifying for there is absolutely no

24:10

evidence for evolution processes having

24:12

influence the modern human brain since be paid

24:14

cities swimming says so that

24:16

talking about cutthroat saints you

24:19

talking about cuts average you know the

24:21

medium that we're all living in and of course

24:23

se what is sexy changes

24:26

in conversations and language and an

24:28

hour you know and a lawful social

24:30

media at the moment as soon as we can get

24:33

hold of that that that's just would be always

24:35

wanted you know we

24:37

would be he had only few people with us no

24:39

we have minutes ,

24:41

villages and it's and

24:44

same desires on the same

24:46

interests but you know multiplied

24:49

so obviously we go for it is just like

24:51

having you know cream cakes

24:53

molson black brain have all

24:55

these people communicate with the

24:58

i'm an anxiety about who they all are

25:00

this have a nice and don't like them

25:02

critical and how do you decides

25:05

which is a more okay or not okay

25:07

and that is the loot leave

25:10

what we have to do all the time that's

25:12

what bs the background

25:14

kinda busy sort of evaluating

25:16

is this going to be somebody i can

25:19

collaborate with is this going to

25:21

, somebody who will take advantage

25:23

of me so we actually again

25:27

again , very

25:29

alert to would alert here other

25:31

people say about these potential collaborators

25:34

so if somebody assists a classic

25:36

playing assists a tweet gives

25:39

the impression that as not quite a trustworthy

25:41

person that has enormous

25:43

weight and actually experiments

25:45

have shown that , trump

25:49

the open

25:50

experience with that person that person might

25:52

be completely trustworthy

25:55

but you fat that bit of bad

25:58

stuff about

25:59

representatives of all heard someone say

26:02

how could you believe love me cs you

26:04

know me and someone told you something about

26:06

me and but you know me twenty years

26:08

you know i would never do thou say that but

26:10

they did the ndp all

26:13

collectors information it's very very

26:16

very important of course that we the

26:18

realize that we should be suspicious

26:21

of and skeptical of some information

26:23

but you know it's as hard work

26:26

the information as be get good

26:28

or bad from other people is

26:31

very often much bridges and information

26:34

north america can

26:37

become is just the person just by having

26:39

this you know do we know trust yourself

26:42

i'm should we trust

26:44

ourselves we might be in a bad mood me

26:46

might have provoked that person who knows

26:49

we , be uptown to make mistakes

26:51

unless they have a very very

26:53

long time we said other tests

26:55

and then be no sooner the consistency

26:59

of the consistency behavior will give

27:01

us really very good information but

27:03

you don't usually has such a long period

27:06

of time you need pretty quickly

27:08

sousa tell me why people tell so

27:10

many lies is there some physical

27:14

pleasure is it's something that's something

27:17

and nice somebody to suspect more president

27:19

lying little miss any other activists well

27:21

there , of course i'm white

27:24

lies which we can't do without

27:26

entirely otherwise it would be a

27:28

lot of friction friction

27:31

their i'm finished munson success

27:33

races in the mission so they are as enormous

27:35

amount of different kinds of life of kusa

27:38

lv the of the manipulations

27:41

and sports and so i'm yes because

27:44

we're all human beings who

27:47

are not just collaborative

27:49

the are lot of time collaborative year olds

27:51

of very competitive we do want to get

27:54

advantages over others and

27:56

somehow we've been need to be aware

27:58

of both sides

27:59

you met you mention the m that without

28:02

understand the brain without reference to the body

28:04

see considers a single system but

28:06

but also you years suggesting that you can

28:08

send the brain without the interaction

28:11

with other to in your brain end of the brain

28:13

sir alex really seats this

28:15

assume and network you

28:17

begin to understand our individual brains we have to

28:19

understand very well the answer and

28:22

people very often to talk about

28:24

culture as ,

28:26

medium for the it is human brain

28:29

particular people love to talk about animal

28:31

culture that's quite interesting but the

28:33

is a very big difference

28:35

and you know you get different kind of to

28:38

reduce in different types

28:40

of a chimpanzees for example

28:42

and that's known as kind of cultural

28:44

learning they imitate each other but

28:47

in but that

28:49

a something else that is cumulative

28:53

code sites seems to you know build

28:55

on other things so we're not just influenced

28:58

by the people who are present here

29:00

and now the also can be influenced

29:02

by people in the past swim

29:05

reading

29:06

literacy is one of the major

29:09

cultural invention that sort of

29:12

, the eunice beta up all the

29:14

changes that can occur the accumulation

29:16

of knowledge and in a giving rise to technology

29:19

which then again pushes ahead but

29:21

it it is our human

29:23

nature to be like that by

29:25

the way lying and deception is

29:28

of and dependent on

29:30

one of those amazing brain abilities

29:32

such it's not the

29:35

in talked about it would totally taken for

29:37

granted until about fifty years

29:39

ago earn and that sort of

29:41

known as theory of mind

29:44

so the idea that you track what

29:46

other people might believe

29:49

or no or not know

29:52

a think and again not sort

29:54

of tracking goes on be lonely conscious

29:56

we've talked about what he started talking

29:59

about the brain is

29:59

apparently mechanical he said eighty

30:02

billion neurons and so you could

30:04

imagine we can imagine instruct

30:06

thing that are simulation of

30:09

it you can imagine in principle

30:11

measuring everything and every molecule

30:13

every neuron and make in the construction but

30:16

also we talked about this the immense

30:18

complexity because we have to take

30:20

time but only by our bodies and and everything

30:23

else that goes with a human but also the

30:25

other humans in the culture in which we live

30:27

so do you think you know what when we talk about

30:30

an artificial intelligence and we think

30:32

well it's okay we could we could simulate to bring

30:34

them in their project to simulate brains as a

30:36

human brain project is miss how

30:38

much more complex is the

30:41

human condition than just this the

30:43

physicality and the structure of the brain partly

30:46

it's got to acknowledge the fact

30:48

that brains don't work out of the books they

30:50

are set to multiple your development so

30:53

if i could simulate the brain tomorrow i'd

30:56

still have to grow that the this

30:58

was a twenty five years to get to for

31:00

that lc spry in and and

31:02

it's not that you kind of grow your brain up to twenty

31:04

five years and then bill along happily

31:07

until editing rock your ,

31:09

he makes sense to think of the adult human brain

31:11

is i see continuously anastase a change

31:13

because your affected by minute to minute by

31:15

motions and by context but also have

31:18

a long time scale by experiencing things you learn

31:20

and needle cities think about well what

31:22

cultures that growing up growing what is it learning

31:24

about because i see where you grow up does

31:27

a sets how your brain works people

31:29

growing up people this him bucky me to see

31:31

know the namibia have very different attentional systems

31:33

from us we have no idea why and

31:35

that it also to doris and see find these cultural

31:37

differences aunts on how the brain works

31:40

and then of course it's never only have

31:42

never having an isolate

31:43

the when i can't emphasize this

31:45

point enough

31:47

we don't grow up in test tubes were

31:49

intensely social primates from

31:51

the minute that were born fully embedded

31:54

as brains developing brains the world in

31:56

these world created by the other friends around

31:58

you'd want that and you'll see me this is where we should

32:00

probably only make things harder if

32:03

, know it did we have a number you know if you talk

32:05

about the as gigabytes of

32:07

memory or that did appetites estimate

32:09

hamlets how many bits

32:12

are contained are is very very

32:14

interesting questions and it is

32:17

really interesting that because of this plasticity

32:19

is the human brain to sit and this ability

32:21

to consistency me forming new connections

32:24

there actually is no known limits

32:27

who the memory capacity the human brain

32:30

we'd never got to the end of it

32:32

now what you can do

32:34

the find it difficult to retrieve information

32:38

you can forget when it hits well

32:40

you can or meaning he plans to get of

32:44

a , moves often because he didn't

32:46

actually fully learn in the first place

32:48

that how your brain encodes information

32:50

is quite complex so everything

32:52

this happens here over today when you

32:54

go to sleep tonight

32:56

the lot of what you experience his dreams is in fact

32:59

you're hippocampus teaching

33:01

the rest of your brain about your day

33:03

that's why things happen to an incisive turn up

33:05

in your dreams and that's getting integrated

33:08

with and consolidated with the other stuff

33:10

that you know first that tomorrow

33:12

you actually have learnt better about the things

33:14

he did today than you do to days why you should

33:17

always revise the day before an exam guys

33:19

as nice as

33:21

as move to a ccs seats because these consolidation

33:24

processes so when you don't remember

33:26

something it's often because it didn't make it through

33:28

that consolidation process that

33:30

means it was never pass the memory of

33:33

my favorite things about memory is if

33:36

you meet somebody if you've done some of a long

33:38

time if you have friends for thirtieth and

33:40

then use meet some of what about that time and we went

33:42

to such and such a place a ,

33:45

did this new did that and we did you know

33:47

it is a bit like the song you i was wearing

33:49

blue know you as when good the

33:51

memories that they have that they you have no

33:53

memory of the memory that you have no

33:56

memory of you have your own individual

33:58

package it makes writing history and time moink

34:01

everybody's memories the same day the

34:03

same said experience are different

34:05

i even that i found my dollars from when

34:07

i was a teenager a make

34:09

read a little that was miserable and

34:11

it was really wanted to see if i could have been

34:13

written by somebody else

34:15

a complete stranger had come in who had

34:17

a general knowledge of some of the people in my family

34:19

and some of the things that happened in my school mostly even asked

34:22

me what happens when i was at school i would have mentioned or none

34:24

of the things that were in the dark slacks

34:26

a lot of it was also encode made of

34:28

stone sex stuff i don't know but the

34:31

book

34:32

different about me now a

34:34

me when i was sixteen ease

34:37

i want remember that differently

34:39

got different a some songs now of

34:41

being sixteen sixteen that the times

34:43

they are more hard going so i'm

34:45

what matter to me was different so i'm

34:48

remembering the same thing completely differently

34:50

a lotta of of the nothing on his read this

34:52

tracy thorns book trust

34:54

, from of thing that the go may have its wet she

34:56

was she went through had seen a stars months

34:58

i don't understand why put this down and not

35:00

a real events said this was a day where some

35:02

incredible things happens mates but all i

35:05

wrote down was i couldn't find the scarf

35:07

i wanted invent cross cross

35:10

was not question say bless not bar to run out

35:13

of out otherwise

35:15

gun sights the last question ah forgot that

35:17

that was good ah they mostly feel

35:19

that we are no it doesn't believe it will create

35:22

the illusion of an hour set off an asteroid

35:24

brains great happened so ago and the audience

35:26

listing ribbon scrape the patna disappearance be

35:28

a cohesive shows he has since he

35:31

been very quickly

35:33

wants to talk about that this period of

35:35

isolation and solitude that we've had

35:38

ah i wondered from from both outer

35:40

outer sorry and and and so if we did this sense

35:43

of what have we been able to

35:45

learn or have we been up to set of experiments

35:48

within this period of time during the pandemic to

35:50

see this very unusual social

35:52

situation to learn more

35:54

if i think the cyclists

35:57

have been surrey bc already

35:59

studying what happens to people and

36:02

am i think that would be much more research to

36:04

come so we may find

36:06

it

36:07

to begin with it was very

36:09

strange to have

36:10

the zoom colts

36:12

but now it's in every

36:15

day event and i'm i'm

36:17

sure we will continue to to

36:19

use that as in as instead

36:21

of saddling a lot

36:23

this and says just to give a talk or

36:25

two

36:25

listen to some speaker so

36:27

the question is what is different when

36:29

you see people on zune

36:32

well , funny thing is that you see

36:34

yourself as well which is

36:36

not the case when we speak and reverse

36:39

the other thing he said we can't really make

36:41

eye contact and

36:43

that is very disturbing but as was we sort

36:46

of could use to this or

36:48

we could not have side distance

36:50

from it be have little more ideas but

36:52

ideas think it took a bit of

36:54

learning to get on with this remote

36:57

interaction and

37:00

he thinks things is a you a you use

37:02

those things that have been we've evolved

37:04

over of hundreds of as as he as

37:07

those slicks yeah i lies

37:09

i'll contact is is the crucial for

37:11

us and , would get

37:13

said there will be techniques

37:17

developed a technology developed

37:19

that enables you to have papa i

37:21

check it a fun to have a conversation

37:23

with someone zoom and i noticed as a biscuit crumb

37:25

on my screen a com what the

37:27

of it feel to it so i'm actually

37:30

zero it i simply they say always fail

37:32

them isis what are you doing what are you doing why

37:34

couldn't help the first then my partner's

37:36

also neuroscientist smith said we really should be

37:38

scanning everybody shouldn't we we should be some somehow

37:41

we should be let's drive around the country with or them are i'm

37:43

since i like that where you pretend must only

37:45

during locked out about how to basket

37:47

he says

37:48

i think one of the things that

37:50

really made me miss physical

37:52

space the people because it having an interaction

37:55

somebody isn't just talking to them

37:57

so for example where you sit relatives

37:59

as he is quite strong

38:02

marker of how silly civil you feel some zoom

38:04

is giving you the straight face to face things she's actually

38:06

quite aggressive the the phillies his

38:08

position is side by side a

38:11

partner who's it also surfaces or to proceed

38:15

you need to have a know that you can tell have been by safer

38:18

for help and assistance

38:20

so say i'm not giving you very useful information useful

38:23

information that when i'm smith going for meeting

38:25

at work as the masses who are sit next to that's

38:28

part of the sodas the experience though it's

38:30

or your stripping all about whether laughter

38:32

seem is great for having a conversation it's

38:34

terrible for laughter because it's only

38:36

that's one person make a sad at a time you can't

38:39

a result laughing together then you'll learn you hear

38:41

yourself and it's said there's a lot of the kind

38:43

of the difficulty the

38:45

interactions for hard to manage and it's made

38:47

me so , more

38:49

enjoy being back in the room so one

38:52

concrete example my losses is made

38:54

me realize how good lex his are

38:57

are at city not just sharing

38:59

information with seasons but having conversations

39:01

his students and known was doesn't look like

39:04

and knowing what their voices sound like and so on

39:06

know that much and it's fantastic for than see me as

39:08

a soda this is

39:10

one of the positives says come

39:12

out of it that we can actually appreciate

39:14

more how important

39:17

it is to is to all of these

39:19

extra stimulates except feedback

39:22

i'm it's like for example i really think said

39:24

when when you give

39:25

whoop

39:26

the on soon

39:27

it is absolutely terrifying

39:30

that you have no idea how is

39:32

this is received do you clearly aminu

39:34

all in the dark here and i can't

39:36

really

39:37

the individual basis

39:39

it's due to get a sense

39:42

of that could be some feedback it could tell

39:44

me stop now talking that have

39:46

a seat in i don't do that or

39:49

, me just

39:52

by being with other people in

39:54

the same space that sounds like

39:56

one of those really awful moments you get into geek you

39:58

know when you're playing a town in stock

39:59

well and house married you just their guns

40:02

still guess since the could be some feedback

40:06

on a silver system so from we also

40:08

students question didn't we did which was

40:11

if i could change one thing about my

40:13

brain what would he be so

40:15

kate said the best the long term memory

40:17

so i can remember

40:19

where i put that kit kat bar in nineteen

40:22

seventy two been

40:25

bothering is busy with obesity and

40:27

totally says the blue cheese remember what i went into

40:29

a roomful he

40:31

said there is a his a

40:33

silly but to swap with einstein then

40:36

com obviously wasn't he was alive

40:45

harrell says ah the ability

40:47

to allow me to understand brian cox

40:49

lecture projects

40:52

, interest is very practical suggestion a removable

40:54

brain brain i could take

40:56

it out before i get a hang over us

41:01

prisons said it's location of

41:03

us wanted brian cox his body i'm

41:09

a good thing about that is the end of every series

41:11

we always auction off the old brian cox with

41:13

you get the updated model

41:15

so model so an eye on he buys one for heroes

41:17

is kimberley said to be more like

41:19

robin ends his infinite

41:22

knowledge of books glad

41:28

to , the ability to know the own some i was

41:31

really wants because then things can only

41:33

get better such

41:36

thanks very much for those and thank

41:38

you very much to our panel who have been to script

41:40

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41:47

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