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Hey, where are the two Johnnies? We've got big news.

1:32

Most will be familiar with the phrase,

1:34

good things come in trees. But

1:37

for our national broadcaster, the departure

1:39

of three top acts from the

1:41

two FM schedule in recent days

1:44

has blindsided bosses at RT and

1:46

left the national radio station in

1:48

crisis. They're saying, you know,

1:51

nothing to see here. This is just part of

1:53

a changing world. Whatever way you

1:55

look at it, this is a massive crisis for

1:57

the station. But why exactly are the countries top

1:59

talent? The casing the Montrose Studios

2:01

And is this just the tip

2:03

of the iceberg for things to come.

2:06

Save huge earning power eyesight or

2:08

see and soaks. I mean even

2:10

if you look at deron seconds

2:12

for companies eight cans Snow has

2:14

trust in Us for over five

2:16

hundred ties and that's a nominal

2:18

I've seen on C and and

2:20

today undies. Bonus: Indo daily. I'm

2:22

joined the studio by Neve Horn

2:24

journalists with the Irish dependent to

2:26

discuss a very bad week for

2:28

Ortiz to Fm and how we.

2:30

Are now beginning to see the long

2:32

term effects trickles down from the ryan

2:34

top. Payments can. Leave.

2:40

Between. Old crisis in to Fm.

2:43

We. Got our first big

2:45

announcements back at the start

2:47

of me. So. Who

2:49

was Das and what of what? what was happening?

2:51

That's Rice on the eighth. As me

2:54

a press release the sentence I don't

2:56

think anybody saw coming to say that

2:58

Theron gar he was leaving to s

3:00

and I'm just personally it was a

3:02

massive zoc you know uses the hear

3:05

rumors or talk about things and that

3:07

of course attacks the call start going

3:09

and everybody seems to have been blindsided

3:11

by that so that's just seems you

3:13

know? Wow that was a massive loss

3:16

for the. The station and then

3:18

and she was in the mornings.

3:20

Loss: basically. She. Was she was in

3:22

our sixty nine with add on a

3:25

cell, Callahan and Tylenol and and dots

3:27

mean o' Sea Really kind of was

3:29

the the cornerstone of that. so stir.

3:32

Since. I was be close to Mark overhyped

3:34

and that so go on as it is with

3:36

eyes are you know she will be big loss

3:39

there. And then last

3:41

week we got another one. Absolutely

3:43

yeah, this is that wasn't enough. Then the

3:45

to Johnny's and as they were leaving and

3:47

then. Suddenly people starts and up and

3:49

saying okay, there's something. Something.

3:52

Weird is going on here, especially

3:54

given a contacts das center some

3:56

Bradley had been off on extended

3:59

least said. April has as well,

4:01

and there had been. A little bit to talk

4:03

around on. And you know what was happening

4:05

there and whether or not she was coming

4:08

back. So in the to Johnny's and Nine

4:10

Stay were leaving. I. Think that's

4:12

when you. Things. You know

4:14

and you know people start to read, question

4:16

what's happening and to Aspen yeah an uneven.

4:19

The to Johnny's were same. Oh Will would

4:21

like to do Radio against it. it wasn't

4:23

even really get out the word and say

4:25

look radio doesn't suit us or or whatever

4:27

or this the slotted they had the afternoon

4:29

three to six it a gun really well

4:31

for them into two years they've been on.

4:34

That's right and and really well. I mean they're

4:36

figures. were flying and and they were. You know

4:38

there's a lot of talk by diversity in that

4:40

and radio not a standard. He had the Rural

4:42

Kindness and they say it's such huge. Numbers of

4:45

he only needs to look at their tourists and

4:47

mean they sell ice skates and it was a

4:49

big tv I'd can be due to the branding

4:51

was was it was heavy breathing really good brand

4:53

there for to hours and to have and they

4:55

are kind of see know they were. On Like

4:57

a strong point in that says set

4:59

schedule and then so. You got your

5:02

morning sloss, which, you know, He

5:04

growth since they're in the next are

5:06

these there and then you have the

5:08

street sock on where you know this

5:10

big empty seat. you probably the most

5:13

essential and. To us and gone as

5:15

well Satan the phrase in the Sabres and

5:17

so like it was. Very obvious that says

5:19

apprentice the some happening here and thing happening

5:21

and then we now have another name. Satirize.

5:24

I think this was less the shocked because

5:26

it had been rumbling for a couple of

5:28

weeks. People were just waiting for this and.

5:30

As for with this one but last night and for.

5:33

Trump rally and I see to was going.

5:35

So that means you've got your sixty. Nine

5:37

Star The Six Nine suck on. Jennifer's.

5:40

On Braley with massive star into that Sam gone

5:42

from nine to twelve and then the to. Johnny's.

5:44

Down from three to six so

5:46

all across your suits your schedule

5:49

Monday to Friday he thought i

5:51

would def me argue for of

5:53

this dared to us and biggest

5:55

most important stars and they're gone

5:57

now and to offend mean water.

6:00

The thing you know nothing see here

6:02

this is part of retaining world's you

6:04

know trying to trying to say this

6:06

is all just as a state of

6:08

flux and their be opportunities for more

6:10

people whatever way you look at this

6:13

is a massive crisis for the say

6:15

since get it it's probably the biggest

6:17

thing that the to of him since

6:19

did they decide passing of of Jeri

6:21

Ryan who is very much associated with

6:23

at did the station he was very

6:26

was the link between the deal is

6:28

what to have him was and. In

6:30

terms of of d J's don't have

6:32

to ranks and and having judge shows

6:34

and did dicta current crop of presenters

6:36

very much of of of.modes there were

6:38

people who are big personalities who were

6:40

into dune in two years and have

6:42

it was about having a bit a

6:45

crack. Really was an absolutely yeah and

6:47

you know there's. That Oakley say that

6:49

of nobody's irreplaceable. Any tunnel with that

6:51

somebody else I'd I don't bite us.

6:54

and especially with Tv and radio presenters,

6:56

I don't think. People's know had or

6:58

how much work or how difficult it

7:00

is to present yourself and few people

7:02

can actually do lists. It looks easy

7:04

cause they make and of easy but

7:06

there's very few people let them bring

7:08

in the numbers that they were bringing

7:10

in and I mean Daves. Like

7:12

my. Own their skills over years

7:14

and years and say war. all genuinely,

7:17

each and every one of them

7:19

Exceptional silence and I do believe that

7:21

you have to hang on to

7:23

valuable. People and. In

7:25

organizations and thought you need some favors. Nurse

7:28

them and grow them like look at the

7:30

like south. Of. Attorney

7:32

or deeper and or like he said Jeri

7:34

Ryan works or tablet that's station over years

7:36

and like there are very few people in

7:38

that part of our and I would say

7:41

each and every one of those people that

7:43

were have less to us and now since

7:45

they were the best at what they do.

7:47

So you know it is a

7:50

massive loss to say Since know

7:52

week we have a discernible pattern

7:54

here. No, no question that. So

7:56

people are asking why and. We're.

7:59

Looking at one gone on into a

8:01

fair mind in our to it will

8:03

minutes and is this is as part

8:06

of itself After to Ryan Toby that

8:08

this I guess we had this follows

8:10

were dispersed I sell another party organizations

8:13

such as and In into As and

8:15

where people were doing products to the

8:17

promotions use the two of them Brandon

8:19

In in the background and as a

8:22

result of all of that we've had

8:24

a register of interest and a register

8:26

of extorted activities launched for our T

8:29

staff and and contractors. Sti just

8:31

happy to how to how was

8:33

that works and we attribute das

8:35

in part to some of these

8:37

to purchase. So it's very important

8:39

to make the distinction between measure

8:41

of external activities and red star

8:43

of interest. so the red serve.

8:45

Interests aren't thing is divide lancet

8:47

to tears of pay it around

8:49

eighty five or anybody over a

8:51

five none anybody over think it's

8:53

about hundred and twenty five in

8:55

in the organization have. To declare

8:57

their interests whether they have

8:59

you know own property or

9:02

whether they have shares, whether

9:04

their spouse has. Property. Or

9:06

shares and their children. You know there's a

9:08

whole list of things that to go trucks. I

9:10

know from talking to people in there there's

9:12

rocks and though for that alone this idea that

9:14

they have to reveal all of this. Private.

9:17

Information states which or sees as we won't

9:19

show to the public's that's very important. Meeting

9:21

notes while they are not going to tear

9:24

really sets the public's it's as foresees I'd

9:26

only spot. You know assists as

9:28

in people are you man organizations and

9:31

Boston understand why People we you know

9:33

worried about settings. You know their private

9:35

affairs which have been it's been said

9:37

to me you know they're not that

9:40

tests. Secondly send you back to read

9:42

starve external interests which is sad if

9:44

you do outside to Murcia work if

9:47

you do against used to say what

9:49

it is and sandwiches are paid so

9:51

you might. Not have to say specifically but

9:53

it will be common ban. So between in

9:55

a one in five thousand five and ten

9:58

thousand ten and twenty thousand and or. Huge

10:00

money to be made from these. Anti case,

10:02

especially if. He or somebody

10:04

like Aaron Gar he i mean the

10:06

singer and was twenty seven thousand that

10:08

she was paid by the horse racing

10:10

industry of Ireland that phenomenon money and

10:12

you know and so she can make

10:14

those type of things she'll have to

10:16

say Okay, it'll go between the two

10:19

Hershey Ban Just save horse racing Ardent.

10:21

Fans and so they're the to thinks

10:23

it's and that will be made public

10:25

So there seems to be a bit

10:27

of an issue around this and this.

10:29

Was parse oz the decision

10:32

making process. Times.

10:36

As it was arsonists and you know

10:38

during diary has had more than anybody

10:40

else I'd say seat and sauce. You

10:42

know a lot of criticism over the

10:44

last year old on over external activities

10:47

you know one was that is she

10:49

was making more and more money than

10:51

most but also just absolutely the with

10:53

other people that were totally over doctor

10:55

and you know that they were men

10:57

who are overlooked with different you know

10:59

I think Jennifer Zap rarely who's always

11:01

very an. Outspoken and she's

11:03

not afraid to say what he thinks type

11:06

you know Marcy Lead and not getting the

11:08

same coverage as to see somebody like Aaron

11:10

Gary you know and so see my should

11:12

be looking down the road and scene. Is

11:14

this worth more? Why am I putting myself

11:17

through this? I can make just as much

11:19

money without the headache eyesight as you know

11:21

to mean she doesn't get paid extra for

11:23

criticism. Why would you put ourself up for

11:26

lasts vs about a barrel bomb in his

11:28

last year was a did lift the lid

11:30

on on this whole area. We'd love he

11:32

rhyme. Promoting. a car and monitored

11:34

as he had are indeed clearly

11:36

in d r t campus we

11:38

had dern gary promoting a porridge

11:40

sitting at her desk in two

11:42

of em studio with two of

11:44

em logo in the backgrounds and

11:46

then we had the same as

11:49

marty marcy care issue souls with

11:51

an entire at looks as this

11:53

whole area of external activities naughty

11:55

naughty busy down to say we

11:57

have to be asked to to

11:59

see or hear in terms of

12:01

where we're going. The

12:03

man at the center of all this,

12:05

the executive winner in RT, who now

12:07

has to manage this whole turmoil, who

12:09

is he and what does he do?

12:12

Dan Healy is the head of 2FM.

12:15

And so he would have been at the center of

12:17

all these negotiations. So his

12:20

job was to kind

12:23

of head on talent and also to

12:25

hang on to the talent that was there. So

12:28

I mean, negotiation is finding

12:30

compromise, finding something that everybody

12:32

is happy with. I

12:35

can't imagine that everybody, I can't

12:37

imagine that or if you're happy

12:39

that 2FM lost four of its biggest

12:42

stars in space for four weeks. They're not. And

12:45

I can't imagine that the four

12:47

stars are happy with having to

12:49

walk away from a job that they seem to

12:51

have loved and spoken very highly of. And

12:53

so you'd wonder what went wrong. And

12:57

I don't know how anybody could

12:59

look at negotiations and like with

13:01

four big stars walking at the end of

13:03

it and say, well, that was a success.

13:07

And I don't know, did Orsi

13:10

play the hardball too much? Have

13:12

they kind of thrown the baby out with a

13:14

bat water here? Could they have come

13:16

to some kind of compromise? And

13:18

that question has to be asked now. Orsi

13:22

and 2FM in particular have gone down a particular

13:25

route in

13:28

recent years. In the old days, it

13:30

was very much experienced DJs

13:32

who were the mainstream

13:34

presenters on

13:36

2FM. So Larry Gogan

13:39

for very many years, the

13:41

likes of Dave Fandling,

13:45

Tony Fenton and so on.

13:47

And more recent times, they've

13:49

gone down the role of

13:51

comedians, social media influencers. What

13:54

path are they now likely to take in terms

13:56

of finding replacements here? much

14:00

going to go down the influencer route still,

14:02

but know what they're dealing with when they

14:04

bring them in. They mightn't stay too long.

14:06

You know, you heard Dan Headey today already

14:08

saying that he's looking at other influencers. So

14:11

that hasn't scared them off. And,

14:13

but what happens when you get somebody really good

14:15

and you, and that you want to hang on

14:17

to? I mean, I think they're probably, or she

14:19

might learn from this, okay, maybe we'll have to

14:22

make a bit more of a compromise, you know,

14:24

that I don't think, I think

14:26

just because I think, I

14:28

think the stars that left were more

14:30

than influencers. They were brilliant presenters and

14:33

they were great at what they do. And I do, there's

14:35

other influencers that my God, why, you know, why

14:37

are you going to put them on air? You

14:39

know, they just don't have that kind of X

14:42

factor of what it takes, but these guys did,

14:44

but I'm sure they're going to start looking for

14:46

other people in that, in that,

14:49

in that line of work. I will say something else

14:51

though about the external, the register

14:53

of external activities. I've

14:56

heard that it mightn't just all be the star saying, okay,

14:58

I don't want to release what I have. You

15:00

have to think of the companies as well. The companies and

15:03

the brands involves saying, well, I don't want my

15:05

name on that list when we're

15:08

going to receive huge criticism first and our brand

15:10

is going to just be hammered. And

15:12

I also don't want what we're

15:14

paying different individuals out there because then

15:17

you'll have another influencer saying, well, how come she's

15:19

getting that and I'm not getting it? So it

15:21

would have led to all kinds of problems. So

15:23

you know, you just, you just, I,

15:26

I, I, yeah, you, you'd wonder, I just

15:29

can't see how this happened. It just seems like,

15:33

you know, a big mess that could have been,

15:35

that could have been

15:37

handled another way. But are we

15:39

writing saying basically for these people

15:43

who can do social media activity,

15:45

promotions and events, their

15:47

RTE salary and their RTE contract, wouldn't

15:50

they may not even be the bulk of the money

15:52

that they earn. No, and so was nothing,

15:54

oh no, Absolutely.. They have huge earning

15:56

power outside RTE. And So, I mean, even

15:58

if you look at. Baron. The

16:00

Kinds and she said wanted to see she's

16:03

a young girl for company these kinds. So

16:05

the company now has cast and us worth

16:07

over five hundred ties and that's phenomenal. You

16:09

know she's. Doing stream be. Well done. You've

16:11

got the to Johnny's am I was up

16:13

there. Are figures further their to are

16:15

and what they're bringing in. They recorded box

16:18

office of four hundred sixty two thousand, five

16:20

hundred and sixteenth for the. Day. Get their

16:22

three arena or so and that was a

16:24

sellout for for more than eight Math and

16:26

Science Sony can see the type. Of earning

16:29

power that these guys have. there's a reason

16:31

they have. it is because they it attract

16:33

attention and even more now more than ever

16:35

when you got so many outlets. And

16:37

podcast Nesting Fine for attention.com You

16:40

know these guys and and turn

16:42

ons and present Braley. Produce

16:44

and so is just a matter of

16:46

finding. As you know you know what

16:48

would work for both sides, which they

16:50

couldn't. that stupid a crystal ball gazing

16:53

anybody else let you leave. I

16:56

wouldn't be surprised, I wouldn't be surprised.

16:58

And the road and not systems. And.

17:01

To As am I would say season. More

17:03

so in or see. In general, down the

17:05

road and. And you know

17:08

that salary cap that. Cousin Buckhurst as broad

17:10

and you know true down a marker you

17:12

know I think more as time goes on

17:14

were going to be are more exits yeah

17:17

for sure. Yes forward name is common in

17:19

so it looks like as of this morning

17:21

that lower of Fox people will know her

17:23

as the new presenter of our and said

17:25

a summary and she's been been working and

17:28

in to as an hour. She looks like

17:30

she's the replacement for Jennifer's emperor Least that's

17:32

right and center for Zap rarely center show

17:34

this morning niger time so it looks like

17:37

he knows she's going to be narrowed. Her.

17:39

Funny odor names of can or own

17:41

that the zebra talking about. not. That

17:43

I've heard. I wouldn't like to be done Healy

17:45

Now. Trying to source i the summer

17:48

schedule, you know I wouldn't like to

17:50

have to. ah, there's gonna be good

17:52

to sell, you know, and Das and

17:54

you can imagine how everybody works nutshell

17:56

and the two guys who work returns

17:58

are wondering what's gonna happen next. You

18:00

know? So. Adam

18:27

And my

18:53

thanks to Neve Horn. I'm Fianan

18:55

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