Podchaser Logo
Home
ON THE VERGE OF WWIII?

ON THE VERGE OF WWIII?

Released Monday, 22nd April 2024
Good episode? Give it some love!
ON THE VERGE OF WWIII?

ON THE VERGE OF WWIII?

ON THE VERGE OF WWIII?

ON THE VERGE OF WWIII?

Monday, 22nd April 2024
Good episode? Give it some love!
Rate Episode

Episode Transcript

Transcripts are displayed as originally observed. Some content, including advertisements may have changed.

Use Ctrl + F to search

0:00

As people are watching this they may say

0:03

why the A Front row globally front running

0:05

health journalists show dealing with manmade disease or

0:07

talk about military things. Will sometimes you have

0:09

to pause because world events start to really

0:12

class really fast. Your deposit say what are

0:14

we doing here Let's look at some of

0:16

the evidence and was pay attention to something

0:19

has happened recently. As a lot of people

0:21

talking a lot of people pop in the

0:23

brakes and it was a Are Secretary of

0:25

State Tony Blinken. He said something during a

0:28

press conference that had people's ears perk. Up,

0:30

take a listen. Or it. Were. Also here

0:32

at Nato to talk about the

0:34

summit that are coming in them

0:36

in the summer in Washington celebrating

0:38

the seventy fifth anniversary of the

0:40

of The Odds are Ukraine. Will.

0:43

Become a member of Nato.

0:45

Our purpose of the summit.

0:47

Is to help build a

0:50

bridge to that membership and

0:52

to create a clear pathway

0:54

for for Ukraine. Moving

0:57

forward with a lot of work on that

0:59

over the last couple days here and Brussels.

1:01

Lot more work to be done between now

1:03

and the summit. But we

1:05

will see I think in the

1:07

summit very strong support for Ukraine

1:09

going forward in this relationship with

1:11

for with Nato. Now.

1:15

There's an interesting point there from people

1:17

that miss what's going on that some

1:20

it's gonna be in July by the

1:22

way, nine through eleventh in D C.

1:24

but having Ukraine join Nato Nato as

1:27

a defensive military grouping of countries thirty

1:29

two countries to be exact, and what

1:31

that means in plain talk, as if

1:33

Ukraine joined Nato is allowed into Nato.

1:36

They. Have they have a pact of

1:38

anybody in that Nato experiences and attacker

1:41

is under military conflict everyone will join

1:43

so he can do one plus one

1:45

equals to at this point because Ukraine

1:47

isn't military conflict if they joined Nato,

1:50

that means. The You and

1:52

the Us would have a green light to

1:54

join into this Conflict wise this problem? Well.

1:56

This is been a promise for very

1:59

long time. You Russian the Soviet

2:01

Union that Ukraine will not join

2:03

Nato or facts always called I

2:05

have read minds Thanks George Washington

2:08

University's National Security Archive. We actually

2:10

have the transcript. In Nineteen

2:12

Ninety Two Wind at that time Secretary Us

2:14

Secretary Stadiums Baker met with the right the

2:16

Soviet Union leader Mikhail Gorbachev and they were

2:19

discussing with the fall the Soviet Union just

2:21

a year prior. I'm sorry to the fall

2:23

of a Germany just year prior. They are

2:25

these Germany West Germany. They were unifying Germany.

2:28

At that point, a lot of superpowers had

2:30

vested interest in what direction Germany was gonna

2:32

go. the Us and Soviet Union primarily. So

2:34

is meeting took place in Moscow and we

2:37

have the transcript. Yeah, I'll rewrite from it.

2:39

This is that you A Sixers to gyms,

2:41

Bakery. Says and the last pull A

2:43

and the last point. Nato is the

2:45

mechanism for securing the Us presence in

2:47

Europe. If Nato was liquidated, there will

2:49

be no such mechanism in Europe. We

2:51

understand that not only for the Soviet

2:53

Union, but for other European countries as

2:55

well. It is important have guarantees that

2:57

if the United States keeps his presence

2:59

in Germany within the framework of Nato

3:02

and an inch of Nato's present military

3:04

jurisdiction will spread in an eastern direction.

3:06

So. To that Mikhail Gorbachev obviously agree

3:08

to that, so there is. There is

3:10

kind of a loose promise they're not

3:13

an inch further. I would imagine a

3:15

little conversation is happening because of attention

3:17

their Gorbachev is having. like wait a

3:19

minute, You know the the walls coming

3:21

down, your all moving in here, Nato's

3:23

taking over and frankly it feels like

3:25

you're all lined up against us. What

3:28

Is your plan? I mean we've always

3:30

been worried about like all these paranoid

3:32

people with their finger on the button.

3:35

Yeah. Exactly. And Russia has a

3:37

reason for that because rewards you.

3:39

Operation Barbarossa was comments by Germany

3:41

and which they invaded Russia partly.

3:43

Three, Ukraine's the biggest land invasion

3:46

in U S M. sorry world

3:48

history. so we're talking millions of

3:50

people with the biggest war as

3:52

known at that point throughout. We're

3:54

we're too. So what's also going

3:56

on is Prudent Has somewhat responded

3:59

to this. The movements and listen to

4:01

what he had to say. They gluttonous.

4:04

Nicorette. You should have to keep attribute it to

4:06

see ago I don't know new which imperfect it

4:08

was to believing it was loosely says if consequence

4:10

of is easily the this way to fertility to

4:13

leave with have to do infinite. Helping.

4:16

My telling us this is Ukraine a brutal,

4:18

Not that. It's volume and

4:20

put your boot with Russia severe.

4:22

Couldn't. You. Want peace

4:24

Israel may have to my teachers he

4:26

boarded them with the volume they complete

4:28

crises conditioner and the should to put

4:30

themselves are being in the vicinity and

4:32

I thing is for same room and

4:34

with doesn't if a new minestrone i

4:36

see a movie lucius they didn't didn't

4:38

have a fine you've been a companion

4:40

from passivity me on this to there's

4:42

a Mugger because it a busy to

4:44

be booted. You

4:47

look at it is down with him with a Catholic by

4:49

he must where you when it. Was.

4:52

A new species gloves Mcdonalds because of with

4:54

his own. It's been getting in earnings for

4:56

the don't have a spike in presented finished

4:58

with you which is as well as a

5:00

d Any pressure. You

5:03

can you fetch. I had the most

5:05

of I thought this enough. wouldn't say

5:07

he wishes meals risks of for a.

5:10

While. I was take a second

5:12

here because you know we are. we're

5:14

We're going into space that we you

5:16

know tend to avoid Jeffrey. We had

5:18

a lot of conversations this week is

5:20

this is his fit the courtroom with

5:22

the high was talking about but I

5:25

I think I said very simply when

5:27

we were discussing it. If we have

5:29

a new to the war and our

5:31

mission statement is dedicated to eradicating manmade

5:33

disease, we have a manmade Z. We

5:35

have a problem in which that so

5:37

many people across as world maybe all

5:39

of us gets sick. We. know where

5:41

this goes and for all of those

5:43

like i am not a sympathizer in

5:45

any way you know with potent in

5:48

fact i find it shocking that the

5:50

people who like he's a dictator a

5:52

lunatic is else warlord is a warmonger

5:54

whatever it is that they would say

5:57

the best thing we should do then

5:59

is back him into a

6:01

corner where this crazy person has no

6:03

other options. What he says there is

6:05

so chilling that

6:08

I know at that point if they join NATO, and

6:10

I'm in the middle of all, I mean, you know

6:12

in a war with Ukraine, I

6:14

will be outnumbered. You will now have every ability to

6:16

beat me. It's not lost on me that that's the

6:18

case. So what do you think I'm going to do?

6:21

I only have one option then because I still have some

6:23

of the best nuclear weapons in the world. And

6:26

we all basically know how that ends and

6:28

nobody wins. I

6:30

mean, it's really really chilling

6:33

stuff and I guess do we say oh he's bluffing. Oh,

6:36

he's bluffing. Don't worry about it. Really? I thought

6:38

you just said he was a lunatic. Which one is

6:40

it? Right and this

6:42

isn't something he did. This isn't a speech that just came

6:44

out of left field as we just showed since at least

6:48

1990. There's been talks about not doing this,

6:50

not expanding Ukraine and having

6:52

them join NATO. So this isn't something, this

6:54

is something that policymakers definitely know what they're

6:56

doing. And to really understand this

6:59

story, the recent history of this if you will, we

7:01

have to go back to the

7:03

Secretary of State, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria

7:06

Newland and at

7:08

the time in 2013 there was something

7:10

called the Maidan Revolution or the Maidan

7:12

Uprising in Ukraine. This was basically civil

7:14

unrest because at the time the Ukrainian

7:17

president turned away from the

7:19

European Union to sign a deal and turned

7:21

towards Russia to sign an economic

7:23

pact and that led

7:25

to an uprising in the country. The US

7:27

was heavily involved in parts that uprising

7:29

and in 2014 Victoria

7:31

Newland was caught on a call. This went

7:34

out to all the press. It was released.

7:36

She was caught on a call. This was the headline.

7:39

Intercepted F-bomb phone call shows the US

7:41

role in Ukraine. And she was on a

7:43

call with the US ambassador to Ukraine and

7:45

they were talking about which government to install,

7:47

which people they wanted to install that were

7:49

friendly to the West when the regime

7:52

toppled, which eventually it did. The president was

7:54

ousted. He had to leave the country. And

7:56

so from that point on the US was really

7:58

kind of in a pull position. the seat because

8:00

Ukraine, as you know, turned towards Europe

8:03

and the United States. But

8:05

Newland still had her hands in this

8:07

as well. So she helped with the

8:09

sanctions. This was the headline, US-Europe weighing

8:11

potential deeper Russian sanctions, that's Reuters. And

8:14

remember, the sanctions were to stop Russia from

8:16

invading Ukraine. We were told that's why we

8:18

were doing that. More on that in a

8:20

second, but obviously that didn't work. And then

8:22

in 2020, Newland penned this in Foreign Affairs,

8:25

pinning down Putin, in which she called in

8:27

this article for expansion of NATO, a wider

8:30

expansion of NATO with Ukraine involved in that. And

8:33

so that brings us to, you know,

8:35

so Newland's an interesting character in this

8:37

space because she's really just has

8:40

her foot on the gas in this

8:42

conflict, really charging towards this conflict with

8:44

a lot of, it seems like blunders

8:46

to make Russia really just cause this

8:48

invasion even faster. But we go to

8:51

the current headlines now. Biden warns, warns

8:54

risk of nuclear Armageddon is highest since

8:56

Cuban Missile Crisis, which is

8:58

ironic because during the Cuban Missile Crisis, that was

9:00

John F. Kennedy's tenure. That's when

9:03

Russia put military armaments in Cuba on our

9:05

border. So that was obviously a really big

9:07

deal for us. And that took about two

9:09

weeks to really figure that out.

9:11

But so let's look at some of the

9:14

headlines here, because we're not only talking about,

9:16

I can't believe I'm reporting on this,

9:18

but potential nuclear war, but we're talking

9:20

about military mobilizations for a greater war

9:23

in Russia and Europe. These are the headlines just

9:26

over the last two months. This is France. I'm

9:28

going to go through these. This is in February.

9:30

Macron stands by remarks about sending troops to Ukraine.

9:32

This is in January 24. UK Army chief

9:35

says citizens should be ready to fight a

9:37

possible land war. New York Times

9:39

February 2024. Germany braces for

9:41

decades of confrontation with Russia. March

9:44

24. Van der Leehen asks

9:46

Finland to prepare EU for war. And then

9:48

here's another one. UK and other NATO allies

9:51

urged to consider conscription. That's a

9:53

draft as Ukraine war enters third year.

9:56

I Mean, these are just one-off topics. This is

9:58

preparing me. We gotta understand what

10:01

the during the populations as well. This is preparing them

10:03

for. A potential engagement. I mean

10:05

I don't know if everyone into this

10:07

is where we were gonna play. Both

10:09

sides are so many people want to

10:11

go to war at this point. a

10:13

prolonged war with superpowers nuclear weapons. We

10:15

said you can to use them if

10:17

they exist. this happens. but Ukraine has

10:19

a problem at this point because this

10:21

is in March is the end of

10:24

March Draft dodging plagues Ukraine as keep

10:26

faces a cute soldier shortage so there

10:28

seems to be an inflection point here.

10:30

They have a soldier shortage of their

10:32

the running out of money. The

10:34

armaments. And so we're talking either peace

10:36

deal or to you know troops in

10:38

armaments from other countries have to join

10:40

this fight it seems. And for

10:43

the U S for the U S

10:45

purposes let's remember a just about a

10:47

month or so after the invasion and

10:49

twenty twenty two Russia's invasion Ukraine we

10:51

had Secretary Defense lawyer Austin who is

10:53

the had military guy that quote this

10:55

when Cnn awesome says us wants to

10:57

see Russia's military capabilities weekends So we

10:59

were told that this is supposed to

11:01

help the democracy in Ukraine and to

11:03

fight a you know why the world's

11:05

most brutal dictators than you avoid Awesome!

11:07

Thanks! We wanted basically see Russia weekend

11:09

to a degree it can do this

11:11

kind of. Thing so. That's. An

11:14

interesting angle: their women are not that

11:16

really com esses as a proxy war,

11:18

we just use a Ukraine to wear

11:20

down pool which means all of those

11:22

of you know they were in the

11:24

hundreds weren't weren't only reason someone your

11:26

us a half a million Ukrainians are

11:28

now dead in the middle of this

11:30

conflict as it olds really dire. I'm

11:32

is and really really bad and the

11:34

think that we're just. Ah,

11:36

using them and now pressing

11:39

Poodle to bring all of

11:41

the Nato military upon him.

11:44

It's. Are. We. I mean

11:47

I you know these things are me.

11:49

I grew up my my parents have

11:51

said it before. My parents were hippies. I

11:53

grew up anti war. I wars not the

11:55

answer of but these types of things.

11:57

I was always warned. Ah, if warmongers to.

12:00

I'll be your country. And you start,

12:02

you know yelled taking a hornet's nest.

12:04

That's how you start World War Three.

12:06

It's just it's really really silly because

12:09

these are commentaries and conversations Now that

12:11

we only heard about before I was

12:13

born first, I'm a really seen this

12:15

kind of conversations in my lifetime. right?

12:18

And these narratives do We vince you health,

12:20

well being, wellness because obviously what we talk

12:23

about the top there but for the U

12:25

S it with where they're checking the Senate

12:27

Foreign Aid package which is currently up for

12:29

a a vote is another sixty billion dollars

12:32

that's going to Ukraine self. The the Cato

12:34

Institute did some calculations of all the money

12:36

that has been has went to Ukraine including

12:38

if the sixty billion are packaged passes and

12:41

the interests. This is what they found the

12:43

high Cost of War Ukraine eight top two

12:45

hundred forty billion. The set a time when

12:47

the Us. Has extremely high inflation grocery

12:49

bills or through the roof of the

12:52

having a hard time even at affording

12:54

are buying houses at this point and

12:56

you know speaking about those the sanctions

12:58

those are supposed to stop all of

13:00

this from happening Sanctioning Russia Will It

13:02

actually did it is it caused them

13:04

to to run into the arms of

13:06

China this is writers just recently China

13:08

to foster new cooperation and consolidate friendship

13:10

with Russia and I get to the

13:12

largest commodity produces in the world that

13:14

has basically cozied up to each other

13:16

ends at at turn their back. On

13:19

the the West and the European Union

13:21

and made life harder for them As

13:23

far as energy and oil and things

13:25

like that so visits geopolitically. There's a

13:27

lot of things moving right now, lot

13:29

of big movements and it's It'll be

13:31

interesting to see other shakes out because

13:33

it's will have decades long consequences for

13:35

as several countries including ours. Wow.

13:39

All. right? Well as keep our eyes

13:41

on it. I mean is that these

13:43

are very scary developments. I'm certainly not

13:45

moving towards the Evolution of Humanity which

13:48

is is a way to establish peace.

13:50

Have a we had enough wars or

13:52

any way we can just say you

13:54

know to we all just get into

13:56

having strong economies and making sure our

13:59

population thrive. The gotta keep attacking each

14:01

other And man that nuclear I've a

14:03

bad I thought were beyond that. I

14:05

thought were beyond threats of nuclear war.

14:08

And we are exactly it's It's really

14:10

really. Radar Times is really sad times

14:12

to to have his conversations with these

14:14

leaders.

Rate

Join Podchaser to...

  • Rate podcasts and episodes
  • Follow podcasts and creators
  • Create podcast and episode lists
  • & much more

Episode Tags

Do you host or manage this podcast?
Claim and edit this page to your liking.
,

Unlock more with Podchaser Pro

  • Audience Insights
  • Contact Information
  • Demographics
  • Charts
  • Sponsor History
  • and More!
Pro Features