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1:29

good evening roommates and welcome back to

1:31

a special bonus edition of behind

1:33

the door with gray rooms purchase

1:36

i'm your host in life from my bedroom

1:38

arthur up the tables have turned

1:41

for one special night i've put down the

1:43

pin and picked up the mice with

1:45

me tonight as my dear friends and plunder

1:47

by the books that the ,

1:49

of the interview show on the gray rooms podcasts

1:52

you may have heard of this is entitled

1:55

entitled the door

1:58

how are you this evening

2:00

he he he thinks it's weird

2:02

to be on this other side of

2:04

the door but i'm doing fucking fantastic

2:07

thank you how are you arthur ah

2:09

yeah now since the tang and out

2:11

getting rained on enjoying

2:13

the wonders that is a the inside

2:15

my dahmer trial today as hanging

2:17

on your bedroom during a thunderstorm sounds

2:19

like what we all did as kids well

2:21

you know i had to recreate some

2:24

of that first season magic it's

2:27

, and sunny over here it's like eighty five

2:29

so i'm drinking and a cold

2:31

beer to to com my spirits

2:33

here well of course it's always sunny

2:35

in california why you think that is nasty about

2:37

the whether it's always sunny saw

2:39

is more oil in in

2:43

yeah yeah it's absolute fucking terrible and

2:46

people hate california nobody wants to

2:48

live here it's ridiculous it's not like we have like

2:50

fourteen million people here out why the

2:52

most beautiful places i've ever visited

2:54

l think i could ever live there though he is

2:56

sarah actually that's very common than

2:58

many people say they love to visit but really

3:00

with him taxes are pretty ridiculous

3:03

out here we have massive infrastructure

3:05

so gotta pay for an awesome and

3:07

i used to drive semis and every

3:10

time semis and into california had always gets

3:12

stopped and harassed by the california

3:14

police what's

3:15

in your truck what's in your truck open

3:17

up your truck is

3:19

, where you got some of your your oh that's right

3:21

you did you got some of your ideas for

3:24

a a it the ride

3:26

for something i swear you had told us before

3:28

a behind the door about your truck

3:30

driving experiences influencing

3:33

something in one of your writings that's cool

3:35

and all but this isn't about me it's

3:37

about you brooks man i'm

3:39

i'm going into question mode already my bad

3:41

let me go into answer mode now nope

3:44

nope nope i got into brooks i brooks

3:47

so i do have some burning

3:49

questions that i feel that everyone

3:51

would benefit from so need you to

3:53

prepare your brain as

3:55

we dive deep inside

3:58

brooks brutes brooks head it

4:02

it's so echo in here somebody on

4:04

flights i don't know

4:07

that we got lot of space work with you

4:09

gotta pick for as i don't know or

4:13

after way my friends absolutely

4:15

, as you know very rooms podcast

4:18

just is an amazing milestone

4:20

we had our two million downloads mark

4:23

mark congrats everybody's

4:26

a i just wanted to know your

4:28

thoughts on reaching the two million downloads

4:30

mark i mean it shows how much

4:32

square loved as a as podcast

4:34

that we're doing something correct they were making

4:37

were , that has been downloaded

4:40

two million times and that's definitely

4:42

feat i know that i know i've

4:44

had couple family members maybe

4:46

make up about couple hundred thousand of that

4:48

least a

4:50

, sixty six i

4:52

know you've definitely downloaded couple your episodes

4:54

least three four hundred thousand and time so that's

4:56

why we've made it as far as we have today but

4:59

while hits you know i just set up my

5:01

spotify playlist when i go to sleep just

5:03

repeat over and over his and cinema

5:05

say it's not play it's not a player

5:07

town it's definitely a download counts but

5:09

but but yes seriously it it shows

5:11

that we've made some thing that

5:14

really hits in the podcast community

5:16

in we see it all the time with all of

5:18

our fans on discord and and social media

5:20

just how much this podcast

5:23

does mean to them how much meaning neil they

5:25

get out of it you know enter our interactions

5:27

with authors so how is important it is

5:29

even as an outlet for people

5:32

to right so right mean to for

5:34

us hit two million thank you

5:36

i'm not surprise and not don't mean that in

5:38

some kind of like pompous way

5:40

but i'm not surprised we not surprised a good thing

5:42

going here we're absolutely

5:45

and usages

5:46

the to just see the all the pieces

5:49

are are quicken every day

5:51

we always guys everything

5:53

right where it needs to be and that's what i

5:55

really love about it because really translates

5:58

crossed and i mean the

6:00

amazing i'm together like vulture on absolutely

6:03

absolutely so we've

6:05

recently had gray com and also

6:07

down in nashville we all got

6:09

together to the

6:11

neck and meet space i wanna know

6:15

have your opinions about us as staff

6:17

changed or has it is

6:19

like solidified what you think about

6:21

us after getting the cs and person

6:24

with cheese and solidified it's made

6:26

me feel more like we're all family

6:28

because we did get to meet

6:30

you know in , space and

6:32

it was like was interesting like with you

6:35

to sit sit know and hammer out

6:37

our season five you're

6:39

figuring out with stories we needed in in

6:41

all of that and be able to like

6:44

see all of the facial expressions

6:47

and body expressions that don't

6:49

get if you're just doing like meeting

6:51

you know through zoom or something come

6:53

to this way that you can interact fully

6:57

, real time you cannot replicate

6:59

over the phone or over over the know an internet

7:01

connection i'm so i

7:03

sell So comfortable in that physical

7:06

space with the whole team that we

7:08

are just old college buddies.

7:10

I hadn't seen each other in a while and we were getting

7:12

together again to

7:14

take care of something. So it definitely solidified

7:16

to me. Like we really do work

7:19

well together, there was not

7:21

to me in my own feeling. There was

7:23

no weirdness or

7:26

uncomfortableness you know about anything.

7:28

It was very intuitive. I felt how

7:31

we sat together in real space

7:33

and dealt with everything together. Our

7:38

local Midwestern grocery store.

7:40

I

7:42

mean, they're all the same, right? I mean a

7:44

a store is the grocery store. i

7:47

remember a single thing in Nashville,

7:49

that was a call. This is totally different than where

7:53

I'm from other than maybe just the liveliness

7:55

of all man is a shit ton bars

7:57

in in like every other

8:00

the building was like a bar that's what through me

8:02

a little bit more we're walking around downtown

8:04

well you know it's it is the midwest

8:06

brooks we're we don't have anything

8:08

pretty to look at so he drink he says

8:11

it's it's that makes everything pretty have zulu

8:14

oh , even burning the midnight

8:16

oil doing all this behind the scenes

8:18

stuff and so much other things

8:22

is there any particular moment

8:24

from this current season that

8:26

sticks out as out moment

8:28

for you oh yes when you join

8:30

the team issue i mean than the honestly

8:33

not to blow smoke up your ass boots

8:35

like

8:36

the think he was amazing what he was riding

8:38

in created this massive giant world

8:40

for us you know and then due to time constraints

8:43

and other obligations he couldn't work

8:45

as well with us anymore and so he needed

8:47

to he'll take a step back from it

8:49

all and that feeling of

8:51

like or oh shit what we gonna do here

8:53

like were losing like are kept our

8:55

co captain of this this boat the ship

8:58

were what's gonna happen now like

9:00

, knew for a while that we kept talking

9:03

before you join team like are you know what about

9:05

our through though like what about what about

9:07

bringing him on we thinking of he writes to

9:09

sway any so interactive he knows everything about

9:11

characters in this the show he like

9:13

is already like writer

9:15

was how being writer he knows too much

9:18

like interacting with you for those that sort

9:20

couple of weeks before you are actually told

9:22

you were brought on was hard for me keep

9:25

tight lipped close so excited

9:27

you know to know that you are about

9:29

to become a part of the team i've always

9:31

definitely enjoyed your company

9:33

and your spirits and so

9:35

knowing that was like very exciting

9:38

moment for me like i absolutely

9:40

sell that like even of zinc estate

9:42

on there was some way that we

9:44

needed bring you into the fold anyways

9:46

because you would just bring such

9:49

a bigger ah larger

9:52

body of palin

9:54

see no to this entire pontiff

9:56

to the to the story to the main characters

9:58

health that was my favorite

10:00

mom and well , i

10:02

appreciate that i

10:04

did notice when we were down in nashville

10:07

which was by the way my favorite moment of the season

10:09

and get into meet everybody

10:12

so many big personalities

10:14

under one roof i

10:16

gotta admit i was little scared to meet you

10:18

guys not because i was afraid

10:21

of like what might say or

10:23

do but i was scared

10:26

the all of our personalities all

10:28

being under one roof i

10:30

was just surprised how we all just

10:33

we just jailed it's like we just clicked

10:35

like we knew each other forever yeah that's

10:37

what i mean about that feeling of being very intuitive

10:40

the

10:41

nobody was like whoa whoa whoa arthur

10:43

settle down with your ideas over there that's

10:45

not how we do it here to gray room that there

10:47

was no single possession of

10:49

the podcast illnesses all jason's

10:52

dream or slashed nightmare that

10:54

has turned into this podcast is you

10:57

, by default this is his podcast

11:00

and even jason is like shares

11:02

in that and is like what do you have

11:04

to say about this heat to trust us

11:06

as a family family uphold

11:09

the greater missing of this podcast so yeah

11:11

even with our big giant personalities

11:14

you know interacting with each other it works

11:16

so normally and you fit in immediately

11:19

in my opinion you you are awesome

11:21

is seems very comfortable i thought

11:23

and in your you know me you revealing otherwise

11:25

but i thought you were be felt pretty

11:27

comfortable sitting with us and adding

11:30

you never like stopped herself her will accompany

11:32

their son say this or bubble i salute

11:34

you are really good at commanding

11:36

present say you needed to get

11:38

your new job done with the podcast

11:40

the absolutely we're we're

11:42

big family now malia one

11:45

big happy family so

11:48

, know that happy family

11:50

the crowd your favorite moment from the season

11:53

but have a favorite story moment

11:55

from season because know you have to

11:57

go through all these stories before

11:59

you talk to the there is he a new read

12:01

on you read listen to on do

12:03

you have a favorite story moment

12:05

i think of one thing that i've

12:07

learned

12:09

each each time feel like i've hit

12:11

like whoa this stories the best

12:13

the story is my favorite ah

12:16

another story will will will come along

12:18

i'll talk to that author and then it's i got wait not

12:21

not now this is my favorite so i think

12:23

that i've learned not that i'm saying that they're all my

12:25

favorites but maybe

12:27

i should stop saying that out loud

12:29

because invariably i'm and hit upon

12:31

my next favorites you know i i definitely

12:34

love all of our stories

12:37

but they're like dependent down to

12:39

a single one single don't know i

12:41

i think what i could say is this

12:44

is that in terms of my favorite interview

12:47

i , say that my favorite interview for me

12:49

was interviewing matthew fowler

12:52

are just because he was an older gentleman

12:54

that doesn't necessarily listen to podcasts

12:57

podcasts doesn't and really

13:00

partake in today's personal

13:02

type of of horror and yet

13:04

he was able to craft a really interesting

13:07

story that's to me

13:09

bro oldest nostalgia back from like

13:11

the days of the original twilight zone episode

13:13

of just like classic horror and

13:16

so talking with him i was i was very

13:18

excited and happy to share in

13:20

this very intelligent

13:24

and this of wisdom individual

13:26

who who know could talk to me

13:28

about how he felt about horn had decades

13:31

worth of things to say about horror so

13:33

that would have been my favorite interview nice

13:37

so when he also be of

13:40

your your favorite are not your favorite

13:42

by your guessed

13:45

that you'd want to have dinner and conversation

13:47

with

13:48

he absolutely yes yes yes yes

13:51

because again he he

13:53

, just the style of

13:55

how he would talk that

13:57

i really much enjoyed and

13:59

i myself

14:00

can ramble on and on and on so to

14:02

meet someone who has a lot to say

14:04

as well i , like would

14:06

be my match in so yeah sitting down to

14:08

dinner with him would have been very

14:11

very interesting experience especially because

14:13

like said the level of wisdom that i felt

14:16

that he had with just

14:18

as you like our conversation would just continue to

14:20

unfold because would continue to find more questions

14:23

to ask and you know more things to talk about

14:25

now i am men hammers message the

14:27

few times back and forth on discord

14:29

and he always i'm not saying he throws

14:32

me curve ball every once awhile but

14:34

awhile definitely have to sit down and i'm like

14:36

thinking about my response to him

14:38

some like wow there's

14:41

this to be go in any number of ways

14:43

i'm like i love it i want yeah he

14:45

deserves a proper response to what he's talking

14:48

about yeah he is a very you know high intelligence

14:51

ah high intelligence to his

14:53

conversations says so matt this

14:55

every scissor years we love he

14:58

very much so , kind of

15:00

leaves me into some questions

15:02

that i've always wondered about i

15:04

got a little taste of it beforehand

15:06

but there's beforehand lot of preparation

15:08

that goes into behind the door

15:11

what sort of is your process

15:14

like either get in your head space

15:16

or things that you have to do before

15:18

you sit down and you talk with i mean

15:20

it it's basically once week you're talking

15:22

to a new author every week so how

15:24

do you prepare for these interviews to

15:26

i really have to be dialed in

15:29

to , story story

15:31

i don't know what the author is

15:33

going to say to me about the story or

15:36

what they might reference and i for

15:38

sure wanna be able to reference all of the things

15:40

to ask them questions so

15:42

use the right before with

15:44

the day of and then a few hours few

15:48

to the interview that have with each author

15:50

i will listen to story twice story keep

15:53

it fresh the audio of it in my head

15:55

so i can referencing the jason dear

15:57

if they mentioned some and they liked about you know

16:00

hearing the story and then i

16:02

also will listen to it as i'm reading

16:04

the script and then i will just

16:06

read the script by itself to

16:08

the episodes am at least two

16:10

or three times that day so like

16:12

that just everything it's like taking

16:14

a test preparing for your test so

16:16

that almost like i'm the one taking

16:19

the test and i don't know what the authors

16:21

gonna say or ask or describes

16:24

but want be able to say oh but then your character

16:26

this oh that's just like this other part

16:28

of the story where this happened and

16:30

i gotta keep all fresh in my in

16:32

brain you notice to accomplish

16:34

that so

16:36

like i said listen to the story multiple times

16:38

and read the script several times

16:40

a day of the interview is what is do

16:43

what would you say is the biggest difference

16:45

between when you're actually listening to the

16:47

episode and reading the script

16:50

because reading know you've approach me

16:52

and some other people and couple times that sometimes

16:54

the script don't match what comes out the

16:56

right words the same as

16:59

watching like movie version i think of

17:02

block when you're reading the book so

17:04

when i'm reading the script ah

17:06

, brain will make what

17:08

the character looks like and for me

17:10

make what their the voice might sound like

17:13

like what the scene looks

17:15

like in my head and then when hear the story

17:18

all this is now kind of jason's

17:20

interpretation of what the

17:22

scene looks like and then it's the interpretation

17:25

of the voice actor who plays the character

17:28

you know who might be more jovial

17:30

with the words were in my head he might have

17:32

been more serious you know something like that there's

17:34

lot of different nuances so

17:36

the difference nuances so is like reading

17:39

script first hearing the story or sometimes

17:42

i've read the script so long ago in

17:44

on and story kind of i hear the story first and

17:46

go back to read the script i guess

17:48

doesn't work exactly the same because then the script is just

17:51

reminding me of what i heard the story but pursuer

17:53

when i read script first a definitely

17:55

always differs insulates fun because

17:58

i get from the sky what i

18:01

you know interpret and then

18:03

hearing me audio kind of fills in

18:06

you know and then or nino changes in and ultimately

18:08

solidifies the entire story

18:11

for , right and i know use

18:13

interviewed myself and sankey

18:15

during the season is there

18:17

a difference between right

18:20

when you read

18:22

the script from one of our door authors

18:24

vs something like mirrors

18:26

inky pushed out the

18:28

season deserve is or a difference

18:30

between that

18:32

oh for sure i mean when you hear

18:34

an author right there their story

18:36

you know their their door

18:39

it's always a wildly different voice

18:41

from the prior author air b authors

18:43

very unique and ,

18:46

and you get all kinds different shades

18:48

in terms of how the story unfolds

18:51

how the characters are created how

18:53

much detail vs pulled back looking

18:55

been objectively the whole thing the story is told

18:58

ah but when it's either reading their

19:00

the narrative script as and he writes with a

19:02

you rates are it's much more

19:04

dial then it's it's

19:06

those same terribly hard though those characters

19:08

that we love that we come back for every week

19:11

like bob is bob always an

19:13

bob will change as grows and learn

19:16

new things and that's based upon

19:18

how you know you and you com

19:20

or you know even in those the first season how

19:22

brian had written bob omb

19:24

but it's still bob and so you

19:27

get a certain satisfaction from

19:30

hearing the different ways that

19:33

bob has been written and how he is evolving

19:36

but that's a separates i think how

19:40

would you say this the separate

19:42

enjoyment from the

19:45

anthology style of each

19:48

unique author telling their story

19:50

while for me it's anthology

19:52

versus a cyril as serialization

19:56

oh my god care facilities either

19:58

species ah

20:00

the realize asian fight pronounce

20:02

in the college name of loyola i have

20:04

to say it really slow loyola

20:07

yeah i can't say that word processed but

20:11

for me is the difference between

20:13

a what

20:15

we call one off like standalone

20:18

story and something that

20:20

you know was gonna continue forward

20:22

the fight like you mentioned with the familiar

20:25

characters you know these people are gonna be coming

20:27

back in some shape or form most

20:30

of many were aiming just about little bit later

20:32

or a p todd's see our

20:34

episodes and

20:36

a few others bush had that that's

20:39

really the the difference

20:41

is in my mind is

20:44

you can't really when you hear a door

20:46

story has a beginning and then it then

20:49

when you hear the the

20:52

frame story the narrative story that we got

20:54

pushed through you're like oh what's

20:56

gonna happen next what's gonna happen

20:58

next you know hey this there's

21:00

as expectations yeah you you connect

21:03

with the narrative characters

21:05

like they're part of your family and your vested

21:07

in knowing that they're just going continue

21:10

going like

21:13

whatever their passes whereas with

21:15

an anthology like you said there's a beginning

21:17

and there's an end so you

21:19

will invest will invest but you know that you're

21:21

disinvested for the short term your disinvested

21:24

to see what the conclusion is nobody

21:26

is like damn i been listen to bob for

21:28

four years figure what the hell's gonna happen to

21:30

him at the end because you

21:32

don't have a family member or you're

21:34

just waiting for them and

21:36

to die if die if if know your does your

21:39

does every day or like oh yeah that's my family member

21:41

and what we doing today war at exciting

21:43

stuff as ahead of us when you listen to the

21:45

anthology stories yeah you're more like okay i'm

21:48

i'm invested in this to the end to see how he

21:50

concludes now so from talking

21:52

with four seasons of authors from

21:55

all different walks life what

21:57

have you learned about the creative writing

21:59

process

22:02

what did you were what what's

22:04

one of them more exciting things as

22:06

i say the you didn't realize or

22:08

with something that you've learned about

22:11

maybe just riding in general

22:13

third is a the you didn't know

22:15

before ah so what

22:17

i have seen and

22:19

witnessed is that there are some authors

22:22

who

22:23

they are good at just coming

22:26

up with a plot fleshing out the plot

22:28

making a really fun side

22:31

that

22:31

translates well to audio like know it's

22:33

a great horror story there

22:35

other authors who dumped their soul

22:39

into these characters and

22:41

they are

22:43

the only was something of their own

22:46

getting that story out you know and then it happens

22:48

it'd be a lot of are newer authors i feel

22:50

that there's something in their real

22:53

day to day life that they're working through

22:55

and them writing the story that

22:57

we've turned into a an audio drama

23:00

has helped them kind either

23:02

overcome something or to see something

23:04

new about themselves versus just

23:07

the authors who are just kind of oh i'm just

23:09

writing a blockbuster here you know i know this

23:11

know this get turn into audio drama so boom

23:13

here you go wrote this a here you

23:15

go there's a new story so i've i've

23:17

seen the the gamut

23:19

of how different authors function

23:22

you know and i don't yet know whether

23:24

the authors who just know to describe blockbuster

23:26

actor blockbuster im

23:28

from that were there early stories were

23:30

much more personal and i for sure

23:32

know that even if you've written a hundred stories when

23:34

you're right that one hundred and first story and still

23:37

be personal about it and put

23:39

put you know your your own feelings

23:42

into as i don't mean to detract and say

23:44

that know establish authors

23:46

don't do that anymore but i definitely

23:49

feel like are you are newer authors or

23:51

ones that haven't done too many things yet

23:53

and are working there to figuring out what they are

23:55

as an author there's definitely

23:57

a difference to their stories

24:00

in terms of just how they crossed

24:03

that that ultimates theme that's running through

24:06

their door basically nice

24:09

so what is it exactly

24:11

the got you either excited are interested

24:14

in podcasting and general bike

24:16

what what started this whole journey

24:18

for you where did it begin for

24:20

brooks bigley so i mean i

24:22

briefly touched on this think

24:25

the last of the second to last behind

24:28

the door but

24:29

when i was growing up i listen to man

24:31

named joe frank and

24:33

, was from the eighties and nineties and

24:36

i don't know if he was the am

24:38

or esam i think i heard his stuff

24:40

on as and when i was little kid at nights

24:42

but he would basically write stories

24:45

and the narrate them and then just have

24:47

is very simple as

24:50

not spooky but is very dark ambient

24:52

in the background

24:54

the and his stories are three fantastical

24:57

like one story was just about a

24:59

guy who would look out his window all the time

25:01

at some woman that he saw the window of

25:03

the apartment building across street and

25:05

then uses forming in his mind what the story

25:07

was behind this woman that he would see every day

25:10

studio glint new glimpses of her

25:12

through her window and and ultimately

25:14

wanting to meet her and bring

25:16

flowers sir but had to figure out what our apartment

25:18

was and then suddenly he wasn't seeing her in the

25:20

window anymore as who's afraid that seem

25:22

as symbols who is creating this whole narrative of

25:25

this person and just found stories like that stories be

25:27

fascinating because he had this

25:29

still frank that is very

25:31

steady

25:33

a deep voice that he would narrated

25:35

as to what he did wouldn't you know he wouldn't am

25:38

differently , different characters who was

25:40

very steady voice and and

25:43

he would set the mood mood

25:45

with his army this dark ambient sound and

25:47

so i don't know maybe me

25:49

or enlistment early two thousand enlistment early when

25:51

was like oh hard cash that's

25:53

where they just talk about shit rights

25:56

and someone on media wasn't

25:58

even person might it has been several islam horror

26:00

so think i mean for sure no sleep was

26:02

one of the very first podcast i listened to

26:05

in some might been like two thousand twelve or thirteen

26:07

they were only

26:10

maybe a couple seasons in like three or four

26:12

so they are new am and

26:14

i was like why is this these there

26:17

there's music and and they're

26:19

acting but it's scary it's it's

26:21

but not just silly monster

26:24

horrors light speculative fiction so

26:26

seems like sits that could happen to me

26:28

start with good yeah i'm starting to get

26:30

disney vibes from you wait

26:32

is what state are no way that

26:35

way when the phone so that was

26:37

a nightmare before christmas

26:39

right right yeah yeah yeah yeah not disney but

26:41

some very few timber or yeah

26:44

like oh my god what is he

26:47

i was very tantalized by

26:50

a , new medium of podcasting

26:52

and then i realized wait minute can download this

26:54

to my phone and can listen to in the

26:56

car my commute a

26:58

i could listen to it you know in ear bud while

27:00

i work you know is very passive can

27:02

do it while doing other things but still

27:05

you're mostly focus on it and

27:07

so it suddenly wasn't just that podcasting

27:09

was just bunch of sports guys talking about sports

27:11

or a bunch a you

27:13

know people talking about the news and their own

27:15

version you know i i realize what audio

27:18

drama was a and it

27:20

was rekindling that love rekindling i had for

27:22

joe frank and also i listen abbott

27:24

and costello i'm laurel and

27:26

hardy were more visual were i visual to watch

27:28

laurel hardy stuff on tv but used

27:30

to love listening abbott and costello my

27:32

grandma introduced me to them and she had

27:34

bunch of old tapes of abbott and

27:36

costello so that i wouldn't call that audio

27:38

drama listening to

27:41

people

27:43

put together entertainment vs

27:45

watching it has always been

27:48

part my life and so once podcasting

27:50

came along and was ultimately exposed

27:52

a true horror i was like fuck i'm all in let's

27:54

do this hell yes so what

27:56

would you say is the biggest inspiration

27:58

behind the way you the

28:00

interview your guess now like what

28:02

did you take from those podcasts

28:04

and how you incorporated into the way you

28:06

interview people for behind the door

28:09

i mean i don't know if i

28:11

don't know if i've ever like a married the to

28:14

because with

28:16

me interviewing authors you know

28:18

and i added does come into the gray

28:21

rooms like i know how to interview authors give

28:23

me job let me do this like this was an evolution

28:25

as media , around

28:27

with the team so though he gets his discuss

28:29

this story that we made in season

28:32

one and ultimately was season three

28:34

where it turned into just me being the solo

28:36

host host just having just

28:38

the author on sometimes the actor i'm

28:41

the what i have learned from that process

28:43

i think is is how it

28:46

will it's that the authors

28:48

have story to tell and i mean that in

28:50

the way that like every person has

28:53

a story to tell but are authors

28:55

have figured out how to put down

28:57

on paper per se what that story

28:59

is in i wanna

29:01

hear that story but i

29:04

don't just mean that let's just talk about

29:07

your horror story itself

29:09

and then you'll hang up phone per se

29:11

it's like will why did you write

29:13

this horror story what happened

29:15

to you that made you think

29:18

to write this horror story and so

29:20

i've learned how there's

29:23

so many other things that go

29:26

into why a person rights

29:28

are saying that they right and

29:30

, think i've kind of learn how to may be

29:33

you know pocket those strings a little bit to kind

29:35

of get more you know sound out

29:37

of that that just

29:39

like said the very generic to slake ah

29:42

that was funny how you made that sound effect

29:44

chasen ah as i love that music

29:46

jams that we used used i'm

29:49

in the first season see we're

29:51

season happy so

29:54

happy were like this as awesome as

29:57

might as a sense right you you

29:59

i'm viewer the part about season one

30:01

to there was an interview i wasn't in that

30:03

particular interview by yeah when you did i station

30:05

bravo yeah i remember exists

30:07

there was no no one knew what the

30:09

hell they were doing interviewing you

30:11

and think wasn't david

30:13

david also yeah the

30:15

winter vs it was me brian

30:17

black david us feel anna

30:19

michael rigs was the host as

30:22

rails right michael rigs is

30:24

an awesome awesome person

30:27

only like you don't have activated a writer

30:29

the i did the copper horror a couple

30:31

other things that are slip from my brain at moment

30:33

but michael rigs was

30:35

an awesome person remember that day

30:38

and it was just like hanging out with

30:40

your best friends and it was you

30:42

know i'll be honest

30:44

with ya i kind of wanted to impress people

30:46

colors like this is my first interview ever

30:48

so i might have been little bit extra

30:50

i don't know it's my god i've read

30:53

by the way there's no es oh my god

30:55

he's gonna find me now and kill me earlier

30:58

died my the suit and forgive

31:00

me please forgive me

31:03

i'm

31:03

sorry the his his duly

31:05

noted the i so

31:08

yeah so the concept back then i'm

31:10

just having six people

31:12

chatting about the story i mean it worked

31:14

i guess i don't know we got a lot of funny

31:17

stuff on social media like is so boring

31:19

to listen to behind the door and all

31:21

they do is self congratulate each

31:23

other and patty each other on back of noises

31:26

not son what i think the big thing

31:28

was to is

31:30

let's admit it some authors or weirdos

31:33

so he always had another person

31:35

there in case the author was just you

31:37

know too far above and beyond what

31:40

was the needed for the moment so

31:43

what does that say about when i interview you though you're

31:45

a weirdo we don't have anyone as a contingency

31:47

plan yeah but around

31:49

or i'm or i'm i'm that that

31:52

i'm i'm i fall into that special group

31:54

probably need a helmet to

31:56

you're the best weirdo i love you it's okay that

31:59

worth

32:00

your buddies i get married again and

32:02

so what , you what

32:04

do tell your friends and family about

32:06

the work that you do for the gray rooms are

32:08

you just like on the interview guy or

32:10

you know how do they would as synergy

32:13

think about what you do see

32:17

definitely the boards what i do

32:19

i commonly tell people

32:22

that

32:23

know all i all i do is interview

32:27

, that right audio dramas for

32:29

my podcast and i

32:31

help them and discuss why

32:33

they wrote would they wrote who they are as

32:35

a writer you i mean i i don't

32:37

feel like there's anything special i do

32:39

they i mean i if i just sat

32:41

and talked myself into microphone that

32:43

would be very boring very quickly i'm

32:46

not the mean center of

32:48

entertainment it's not about me it's about

32:51

the person that i'm talking to you

32:53

know so i commonly tell people that

32:55

i just happen to help the

32:58

i guess i got a mouthpiece

33:01

you , for for people who are authors are people

33:03

who write that we give chance

33:06

for these authors to talk you know like to

33:08

be amazing if the other no sleep even have

33:10

the time to do that me lazy has

33:13

five six seven stories per episode

33:15

week for themselves out be lot

33:17

of authors to interview but

33:19

just general know the wicked library either

33:22

does or used to do something similar

33:24

were

33:25

they would have their main story of

33:28

, week and then they would interview

33:30

kind of with our the author

33:32

the author afterwards but was very informal

33:34

feeling in the river professional and

33:37

have no idea how professional i sound or not

33:39

not is do i do but anyways

33:42

i i just do tell people

33:44

that hey i work with this whore podcast

33:46

we do lot of suspense thriller stories not

33:48

just for an my

33:51

an fun job is to

33:53

get them to talk about what they

33:55

did and what they do and that's

33:57

all that it is i get other people to talk

33:59

as when i people

34:00

i'm dying to know who's your

34:02

favorite gray rooms character

34:05

whose i mean everyone

34:07

says bob sled sides you

34:09

have to take that off the table to that's not fair

34:13

seen

34:15

like raymond just

34:18

because knowing jason

34:21

and then knowing how he acted raymond

34:23

it blew my mind that

34:25

he was he , raymond

34:28

so well that i yell

34:30

for coming from where jason had only

34:32

done like regular

34:35

radio and and other things

34:37

in the past he would have an actor per se

34:40

this blew my mind with this

34:42

this character raymond has listening to

34:44

resume and i just i celts the

34:47

sadness has salt the confusion

34:49

the confusion the anguish said was going through

34:52

the entire arc and season one

34:54

nobody would say that jason phoned it in

34:58

and keep time adjacent because he made

35:00

raymond so real

35:04

edit didn't feel like there was an actor

35:06

playing raymond i felt like i was stuck

35:09

listening to this guy

35:11

named raymond go through what he was going

35:13

through such testament to what states

35:16

an accomplished a because of

35:18

that i think that connected

35:20

and it's not for any other reason i

35:22

in go through anything that raymond

35:24

went through but i connected

35:26

so much with that character just based

35:28

on the acting alone and just

35:30

feeling that's that's sadness

35:32

and connecting to that like man

35:34

went way what the fuck is happening

35:37

to him he's he's he's desperately

35:39

trying to hang onto his sanity to

35:41

out all of this torture and

35:43

all this shit happening to him and

35:46

he know he could be a bit of pussy about

35:48

certain things but he's not he's just

35:50

giving in the all of the human emotions

35:53

and so

35:54

to me will always be the classic character

35:56

that really went

35:58

through the ringer

36:00

in gray rooms know like samantha as arc

36:02

see she survivor she was going

36:04

to have made her better meet her stronger

36:06

see no seats became an equal to

36:08

bob is not even higher than bob

36:10

ah

36:12

know back it is now a part of

36:14

the gray rooms projects like he overcame

36:17

that you know so

36:19

everyone is going through what they need to go through

36:21

but to me raymond still that quintessential

36:24

human that just got fucked with an

36:27

experienced you know lot

36:29

of sit that maybe we feel in real life

36:31

when we're frustrated by not

36:33

understanding what's happened to us in

36:36

our in our actual daily lives and so

36:38

that's what i connected to solve forever

36:40

i think we're him and will be my favorite

36:42

character of the bedrooms exactly

36:44

so you

36:47

mentioned about change

36:50

you mentioned bothers change you've mentioned

36:52

the rooms of chains you've mentioned that

36:55

behind the door keeps evolving

36:57

what sort of changes or implementations

37:00

are thinking about doing for season

37:02

five of behind the door or is that a

37:04

secret assists both

37:06

arm

37:08

i honestly because we just finished

37:11

the season and i just did the

37:13

last interview with the episode

37:15

nineteen authored like a week ago from

37:17

us recording now i'm

37:20

, do have ideas for

37:23

not changing the format but is updating

37:25

the format but nothing

37:27

that i think is concrete that i can

37:29

discuss i yeah i'm i'm

37:32

very happy with the format of

37:34

getting the author on an

37:36

asking the author all the things ah

37:40

sometimes i miss the group

37:42

session where we had the author and

37:45

the actor so , you like

37:47

and i'll always be a possibility guess

37:49

definitely guess just having

37:52

the actors on doesn't happen very often

37:54

you know we do focus mostly on

37:57

the author and that's that was unlike

37:59

anything anyone that down and said we should

38:01

only talk to authors has always are interested

38:03

in it , has evolved that

38:05

way way of course

38:07

without the authors we would not have stories

38:10

and yes without the actors who would have

38:12

story either but we would just get other actors

38:14

so anyways hundred i'm

38:16

so anyways nothing

38:18

specific here it's i'd

38:20

i'd some ideas how and

38:22

always it was pyro poll about

38:24

as isn't as i barely keep talking if you

38:26

don't either that or thirty does avoided so

38:28

he doesn't wanna say things he's dancing

38:31

kite liberal still speaking guess i

38:33

have no oh yeah i remember

38:35

few things that we've discussed where

38:37

you are dance beautifully around the subject

38:40

because it's a little too close to home

38:42

actual and you understand my process

38:45

and yes yes yes absolutely

38:47

so look

38:49

go little bit deeper what's your

38:51

worst memory a craig bought from

38:53

the season all

38:56

, them so

38:59

greg my is a bottle

39:01

use on discord to record

39:03

that are behind the door episodes his

39:06

his door we go we his we go into a voice

39:08

channel and then this bottle record

39:11

that interview at

39:14

the end it will give me separate audio

39:16

files freeze person so can

39:18

then produce the show and

39:21

, whatever reason and especially the

39:23

season crack much like dime is

39:25

not gonna play fair you know what oh

39:27

you're deep in a really good conversation fuck

39:30

you in a disconnect now so this bot

39:32

keeps leaving our server in the middle

39:34

of of an interview and it doesn't make

39:36

sense does no one that we can reach out to and complain

39:39

about the service i mean it is free so

39:41

what alley in a do assess

39:43

so i

39:45

will say this the interview

39:47

this the with you and tassie

39:50

there was one of our like narrative

39:52

wrap up interviews we

39:55

probably talked for talked good

39:57

and this has happened prior to that we talk

39:59

for good

40:00

one he minutes i think until i ultimately

40:02

realize wait a minute craig is not even

40:04

it crag bots is not even in

40:07

the voice channel we've been talking to nothing

40:09

nothing has been recorded and we had a

40:11

fantastic exchange about couple

40:13

of things and so then we had

40:15

to bring pragma back in

40:17

the record and then try and

40:19

backtrack figure out what we have been talking

40:21

about when last i keep saying he

40:23

is the thing the stupid fucking by

40:26

then i don't know we we it was like

40:28

we were like rushing through trying

40:30

to relax you can never get

40:32

back that organic talk that

40:34

was missed the are you had me running

40:36

through it had me running through sealed

40:39

chasing after it is so

40:41

i mean badly as last forever

40:44

the audio was there is is wasn't

40:46

recorded and so we really

40:48

missed out on inopportune

40:50

situation because greg bought was like

40:52

oh yeah whenever i miss him to leave this conversation

40:55

and i don't know why hi i've googled

40:57

it googled it no definitive answer

40:59

as to why these mishaps happens

41:02

sometimes the internet is just fucking asshole

41:04

so

41:05

there have you tagged fuck you craig's heir

41:08

to the season ,

41:10

we will do it some other way or a now

41:12

that i got y'all angry and out of sorts we're

41:14

going play a game do what a game

41:16

with me brooks ah yes

41:19

but it wasn't worked since so

41:21

this is a fun game we would like to call

41:24

would you rather

41:29

though

41:32

would you rather

41:34

works be ugly have a hard

41:37

be the entertainment at your kid's birthday

41:39

party would you rather have the warden

41:41

cater it so the warden would be in charge

41:44

of like food

41:45

the drinks anything that people consume

41:49

okay so for sure i would rather have tied

41:52

be the entertainment because

41:55

the just gonna make stupid sexual innuendo

41:57

jokes and mostly

41:59

just

42:00

like a really is silly obnoxious

42:02

clowns whereas the warden would probably

42:04

try to make the kids eat eyeballs

42:06

and other gross dead body parts

42:09

and that's is not a fun thing

42:11

i think kids need to deal with well

42:13

i mean the warden to bring a certain form

42:15

of entertainment to curtain cake with

42:17

chainsaw see , with

42:20

with just really he'll do more damage to

42:23

the psyche of kids

42:25

they will hold on still need more therapy

42:27

as they get older by interacting with the warden

42:30

verses having todd be todd

42:32

to , them i'm

42:36

just imagining them has hilarious

42:38

so what's your sadistic f

42:40

we stick with are tired and warden same

42:42

for one more question would

42:45

you rather let rather warden

42:47

choose where you get a new piercing

42:49

let tired choose tattoo for you

42:55

okay , loses a dilemma

42:57

because because mean clearly

42:59

the warden is gonna lie minutes get

43:01

a piercing on some kind of genital area

43:04

or somewhere very painful but

43:07

you know i mean that's how once in lifetime

43:09

thing that happens when he does live with it's

43:12

odd , sure might pick some asinine

43:14

reason for some asinine tattoo

43:16

that's very visible that just makes me

43:18

like an ass for the rest of my life

43:21

so i'm

43:24

trying to think of was what

43:26

he would take for he tattoo he cites

43:29

or something sexual absolutely

43:32

school and on your face of

43:35

says school have hello kitty either positive

43:38

or be either would rather do that and good certain

43:40

things pierce so if that's

43:43

while you know the wardens can be like you know

43:45

on when appears you with this chair through

43:47

your midsection so that's what i'm

43:49

saying that's the guy he'd be like how high you

43:51

said piercings will surprise

43:53

as little money used pierce you would be thing

43:55

that used wouldn't ultimately think about so

43:57

them yeah maybe again i'd pick pod

44:00

just because how

44:01

did not inherently evil so is

44:03

not gonna do the worst thing the

44:06

warden is for sure going to figure out just

44:08

how to absolute fuck you up in the worst

44:10

way possible for the longest time possible

44:13

so fuck the warden i guess i'd

44:15

pick the tattoo by todd absolutely fair

44:19

, births begley would

44:21

you rather

44:23

the the next guest in gray rooms

44:25

or would you rather be the architects

44:27

in turn do i mean i

44:29

really love strong woman that

44:31

tells me what to do i'm to surrounded by

44:33

them and life i feel like how

44:37

moon that almost might be pleasurable

44:39

to have the architect tell be my boss

44:41

while it remember it

44:44

remember now you do have cries as

44:46

one of the people in the great

44:48

room she could tell you what do know

44:51

i mean does not a bad thing is

44:53

c c spicy the way you

44:55

been writing her lately

44:58

i listen , is the

45:00

quad you need need

45:05

think i would rather be the

45:07

architects bits absolutely bring

45:09

it bring are you go you're going to

45:11

be the next day's night

45:15

and that we got one more and them

45:17

or winded down would you rather

45:20

have

45:21

to tell cassie that you have to push back or

45:23

release deadline would you rather

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tell jason the the audio for his story sucked

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oh , mean

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but they're still

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in telling jason is audio sucked is a

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lie so i could never do that

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so i first heard

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so i , russ

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the she's listening fuck you arthur's

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a sissy sissy

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i would rather tell damn

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a his

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she's listening to

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his you wish and that currently

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listening somehow

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, feel an adage about ready to have

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less know we all

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of this will stay stay you

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saying you somehow this question

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didn't make it i don't know what happened we

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ran other times it's the

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interview was only twenty minutes i'm sorry i

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don't what say ah i

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to i mean man

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if i ever said anything to jason it would like

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oh hey you forgot to clip this portion

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of their sir so or that i've never felt

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like why the hell did you choose to

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do this sound why did you choose to do

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it that way i've never felt that way so

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by default i would probably does be like asks

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cassie i i like produce

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this thing according the

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calendar please forgive me bubble bubble

46:45

bath see i'd rather talk cassie something

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as a be talk out some shit all

46:52

, well as we're winding down

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i guess said you have any social

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media or of were several times you outside

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the break room for us to

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have never been asked this before mean

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my instagram

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in in in facebook or a private

47:10

i mean post family pictures and whatnot

47:12

so you have to like pretty much

47:14

no me in real life to to find me their

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blood i can be found on twitter

47:20

i how do kids add add

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, have to dont kids kids

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have into kids the add dont

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add into feel

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the add relevant dont everybody

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have to into into i dont add

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to add kids do i dont

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the have like to the

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have like like into into relevant

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to dont like feel like i

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have anything relevant i add into

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the the to have add feel anything

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the feel have to the i do

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the everybody i dont anything everybody i

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feel anything to into everybody

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the the relevant how into add the

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the everybody

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add

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legally on twitter or some joined

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discourse he's on their to very

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or you could find me on the discord we're a we're active

48:07

on the discord sure right well

48:10

it was great of you for joining us tonight brooks

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tonight appreciate you taking time to sit and chat

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and i thank for sharing your old with us here

48:17

in the great ones well you know thank you for

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having me arthur i'm arthur big fan of

48:21

your show and size was

48:23

really excited the you ask me to be years

48:28

you're always always welcome in

48:31

my bedroom and , usual

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the biggest thank you goes out to our fans

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and followers who listened daily and spread

48:38

the good word above me languish

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laments and low but always with

48:43

love hashtag staggering

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take care and enjoy your evening bruce

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director and ,

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night close by