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One is called Chinatown. There
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is China City. There's
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also China Centre and China Square in
1:20
other parts of Nairobi. Chinese
1:23
infrastructure is visible almost everywhere
1:25
in the city. Particularly
1:27
in this area. Across the
1:29
road is a famous Chinese-owned hotel, the
1:31
Eastland Hotel. And right next
1:34
door, towering over these
1:36
mini China hubs, as if to oversee it
1:38
all, is the Chinese
1:40
Xinhua News Agency. For
1:47
this episode, the team, Krista and I,
1:49
traveled to the Kenyan capital Nairobi to
1:51
get a sense of the Chinese influence
1:54
on the ground. We
1:56
understand why Beijing has chosen it as a
1:58
hub for its media operations. in Africa.
2:01
There have been hints of a cooling down
2:03
of this friendship. We wanted to
2:05
take the temperature. I'm
2:13
Krasit Tweek and this is the
2:15
Global Jigsaw from BBC monitoring, where
2:18
we look at the world through
2:20
the lens of its media, getting
2:22
past the narratives, the propaganda and
2:24
the disinformation. This
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place is called Guardian, with the
2:28
important Cree word west. ESERI
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into bumpy It's
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a feast for the eyes, beautiful people, amazing
2:49
landscape, some romance and a bit
3:09
of blood. TV
3:15
drama is called Welcome to Millele.
3:18
Millele is a fictional village. It
3:21
talks about a group of Chinese
3:23
doctors being sent for a medical
3:25
aid project in a fictional African
3:27
country, but it was actually filmed
3:29
in Tanzania. Tom Lam is
3:31
one of our Chinese media experts.
3:34
He can tell us what this drama is all about.
3:37
So it's part of a long
3:39
promotion of China's medical aid to
3:42
Africa. So the TV
3:44
drama was aired in 2023 and it was
3:46
actually the 60th anniversary of
3:48
China's medical
3:53
support to the African continent.
3:56
First batch of doctors was
3:58
sent to Algeria. The area
4:00
in Nineteen Sixty Street and
4:02
since then Detritus has claimed
4:05
that they have treated two
4:07
hundred and ninety million Africans,
4:09
and these people are often
4:11
described in the state media
4:13
as. An. Josie and White.
4:16
Welcome to me! Lol I was released at
4:18
the end of last year. The. Humanitarian
4:20
work China did in Africa
4:22
starting from the sixties is
4:24
clearly something Beijing is proud
4:26
Us. It was sponsored
4:28
by the state and tell
4:31
the people stay that which
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is t most piece of
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does Chinese communist party crazy
4:37
as demonstrating the corn coast
4:40
him and his take care
4:42
of the Chinese medical workers
4:44
to was Africa Nine They
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see their saliva bigger projects
4:48
of China Nice international emails
4:51
to promote how China is
4:53
receive internationally as Aids South
4:55
Less Friends to the Africans.
4:58
And. Who is this drama for? Who
5:00
was it intended for? Where was it
5:02
broadcasts? It was broadcast it
5:04
ain't various Chinese tv channels
5:07
and also a social media
5:09
platforms and the Chinese state
5:11
media also sad that we're
5:13
talking about a do being
5:16
different language additions including a
5:18
swahili version. During our visit
5:20
to Nairobi we wanted to find out
5:22
how lasik an audience is. Responded didn't
5:24
make a splash. We sat down with
5:27
one of our colleague some ot and
5:29
know or or t to have a
5:31
talked about all things China from a
5:33
gnostic and prospectus. Were comes from
5:36
Lilith village with elements for events
5:38
were hearing is not as on
5:40
any local channels as far as
5:43
be unaware I've looked at it
5:45
and you tube it doesn't have
5:48
that many views but on the
5:50
comments section there some phases excited
5:52
people talking about seeing the Tanzanian
5:55
landscape seeing the Tanzanian people of
5:57
black people in it. There are.
6:00
People who just happy to the show was
6:02
shot was insane and in china on that.
6:04
That. Ever want to see that as
6:06
the need me what they use
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of awful C C C. C
6:11
C C What I've reason is that
6:13
there would be avoided. Tough lesson. Of
6:16
the film athletes up on some chinese media
6:18
outlets from that from your are unable to
6:20
see the made in Tanzania know adding and
6:22
doesn't a television than would have a better
6:25
away to analyze of to gauge the kind
6:27
of reception is guess. We double
6:29
checked and we couldn't find it
6:31
on digital Tv schedules. The ambitious
6:34
sweets the producers might have hoped
6:36
for hasn't materialized yet, which could
6:38
be down to a lack of
6:41
dubbing in local languages. So what
6:43
would the Chinese Communist Party wants
6:45
to convey with it's China? Was
6:48
the first country that go
6:50
to Africa and set we
6:52
are your friends and partners
6:54
because he did article lead
6:57
to have like similar anti
6:59
colonial anti imperialist past and
7:01
try to consider itself as
7:03
part of the mile describe
7:05
as the third world so
7:08
China thing that they share
7:10
a similar development pass and
7:12
simmer historical background with Africa
7:14
you. Could argue that Welcome to
7:17
Me Les Les is designed to
7:19
spread China's message and aging does
7:21
make a convincing argument about what
7:24
it sees as it's selfless help
7:26
to Africa. Tom explains the historic
7:28
background the China's first steps on
7:30
the Continent. Back. In
7:32
nineteen sixties China during all
7:35
these great leap forward which.
7:37
Caused. a great time
7:39
and but they still send
7:41
workers and and material to
7:44
tanzania to help them beauty
7:46
tanzania zombie of a away
7:48
and the most famously as
7:50
to decide that you have
7:52
your difficulties and we have
7:54
ours we will help you
7:56
to beauty swear weights even
7:58
if we have sick
8:00
building our own. And
8:03
it sounds like a very selfless
8:05
and very humanitarian outfit.
8:12
The building of the Tanzania Zambia
8:14
Railway or Tazara with mouse pictures
8:16
still set to be hanging in
8:19
its headquarters was a
8:21
mammoth undertaking as so many communist
8:23
projects have been. It
8:26
was done by a country that had its
8:29
own enormous struggle at the time. As
8:32
Tom mentioned what is known as the
8:34
Great Leap Forward was China's efforts to
8:36
modernize its economy within a short period
8:39
of time which led to
8:41
the starvation of tens of millions of people.
8:44
So the main message behind the construction
8:47
of the Tazara seems to be about
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China being a selfless friend. Although
8:52
to state the obvious selflessness
8:54
is not a geopolitical currency.
8:57
But Tanzania did
8:59
pay back. Guinea? Yes.
9:03
USSR?
9:06
Tanzania? Yes.
9:09
United States? No. Cameroon?
9:11
Yes. Canada? Where? Dendrope
9:13
Resumition. In 1971 Tanzania
9:16
was one of the active African countries
9:22
to support Beijing's efforts
9:24
to join the UN because the
9:27
PRC which is the People's Republic
9:29
of China was not part
9:31
of the UN because the Republic
9:34
of China which now based in
9:36
Taiwan was the member and there's
9:38
the one China rivalry going on
9:40
between these two regimes of
9:42
the resolution that quote-unquote
9:44
restore PRC right and
9:47
status in the UN in
9:49
1971. the
10:00
People's Republic of China, all
10:02
of its rights and to... Diplomatic support
10:04
is just one way to return a favor.
10:07
China has other pragmatic reasons for
10:09
its megaprojects in Africa. Back
10:12
in the 1960s, China helped
10:14
Tanzania to build the Tanzania
10:16
Zambian Railway. Zambia at that
10:18
time was famous for its
10:21
copper reserve. So this railway
10:23
helped China and other
10:25
countries also to go into
10:27
Zambia to mine copper there.
10:30
And as China's economic
10:32
rise started in the
10:34
early 2000s, China
10:37
needs a lot of market as
10:39
well as resources from
10:41
Africa. So
10:45
the Bell and O'Neill Initiative
10:48
that was launched in 2013
10:50
was actually based on this
10:52
idea that China needs overseas
10:55
market and resources for their
10:57
economic engine. The
11:02
DRC, Mali, Ghana,
11:05
Namibia provide lithium metal
11:07
reserve of 3 million
11:10
tonnes. And the reason
11:12
why China expanded their partnerships
11:15
and acquisition in Africa is
11:17
ensure the supply chain
11:19
of this raw material and
11:22
consolidate its position as
11:25
the world leading lithium battery
11:27
manufacturer to make electric vehicles.
11:30
And they need markets to sell it
11:33
because the weak domestic consumption
11:35
and Africa provide a huge
11:37
market for Chinese goods. From
11:40
the construction of one railway
11:42
to lucrative megaprojects across the
11:44
African continent, Beijing
11:46
has left a lasting impression over
11:48
the last few decades. Auti
11:51
has seen it happening. central
12:00
business district to the airport. There's
12:02
a super highway that was built
12:04
before. Those are much more visible
12:06
in terms of what China is trying to
12:08
push in terms of its soft power. Interpreting
12:11
soft power in action is
12:13
our territory. These wouldn't mean
12:15
much if not communicated. And
12:18
China has plenty of reasons to
12:20
want to tell its side of
12:22
the story. Here are some tweets
12:24
that we have voiced up from
12:26
the so-called wolf warriors. They are
12:28
Chinese diplomats who have adapted a
12:31
confrontational tone in recent years. It
12:33
is Gaza, not Xinjiang, and it
12:35
is plagued by conflicts. In
12:37
the smidgen of Muslims in Gaza, not
12:40
Muslims in Xinjiang, that suffer
12:42
from hunger, deportation and killing.
12:45
Applying salami tactics or crossing red lines
12:48
on the Taiwan question and other sensitive
12:50
issues is like racing cars on a
12:52
cliff's edge, where a crash is
12:55
almost inevitable. China strongly
12:57
deplores and opposes smears
12:59
by any country or
13:01
organization against Hong Kong's
13:04
safeguarding national security bill. Such
13:07
smears and attacks will never
13:09
succeed. Nowadays when
13:11
the West accused China
13:13
of human rights abuses, for
13:16
example, in Xinjiang, in Tibet, in
13:18
Hong Kong, and also its
13:21
military aggressions towards Taiwan,
13:24
then if they put into a vote
13:26
in the UN, then China would get
13:29
all this help from its African
13:32
brothers. So that's
13:34
also helped China in
13:37
their international standing and
13:39
their ideological rivalry with
13:41
the West. China has its eyes
13:43
set on a much bigger price.
13:45
And it is this ambition that
13:47
is underpinned by its megaprojects. China
13:50
has seen itself as a leader
13:53
of the global South. They see
13:55
itself as a conduit of Western
13:57
dominance and Western narrative.
14:00
and roughly so they see
14:02
itself as the spokesperson
14:05
of African interests. We
14:08
have decided to invite the Argentine Republic,
14:11
the Arab Republic of
14:13
Egypt, the Federal Democratic
14:16
Republic of Ethiopia, the
14:18
Islamic Republic of Iran, the
14:21
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and
14:23
the United Arab Emirates to
14:26
become full members of BRICS. Last
14:31
year, BRICS has invited six
14:34
new members, two of them
14:36
being African country. China wants
14:38
to form a non-western
14:41
bloc that could be
14:44
a counterweight to the
14:46
US-led G7, so I
14:48
think Africa is considered to be a great
14:51
asset for China to compete
14:53
with the US for global
14:55
leadership. The colonial power would
14:58
be code-wide for all of these other
15:00
countries that were on the continent at some
15:03
point, who are not doing the same things
15:05
the Chinese are doing. The goal
15:07
appears to have been set. Now, how
15:09
do you sell it? Here's
15:11
where Nairobi comes into play. So,
15:13
Kenya is very strategic in terms
15:15
of its location, first of all,
15:18
and then also in terms of democratic
15:21
stability. It's been a very stable country.
15:23
There was a time when Kenya was
15:25
being referred as an island of peace.
15:28
There was also an open environment for
15:31
media. Kenya is one of the
15:33
freest media environments in the region. Even
15:35
before CGTN came, the BBC had
15:37
one big bureau here. The AP
15:39
have a big bureau, Reuters, all
15:41
of the media outlets have big
15:44
bureaus. You can deploy anywhere from
15:46
Nairobi easily. You can use
15:49
the same kind of technology to deploy to the Middle
15:51
East, to Central Africa, to Southern
15:54
Africa. Then there's the enabling environment.
15:56
One of the fastest developing All
16:00
of these factors played into CGTN
16:03
being set up here in Nairobi. CGTN
16:05
stands for China Global Television
16:08
Network. It's part
16:10
of Beijing's big media expansion, launched
16:13
in 2016 as the International Division
16:15
of the Chinese State Broadcaster under
16:17
the auspices of the Communist Party.
16:21
China, since 2008, has
16:24
put a lot of funding
16:26
into the international media to
16:28
portray China in a battle
16:30
light. For example, CGTN, which
16:32
is an English language edition
16:34
of CCTV, and they have
16:36
different language editions and continent
16:39
divisions, and one of
16:41
them being the CGTN Africa, which
16:43
is based in Nairobi. So
16:46
they specifically target these African countries,
16:48
and also they have like a
16:51
partnership with local broadcasters that
16:54
would air the news report
16:57
of the Chinese State News Agency,
16:59
for example, Xinhua. And
17:02
that certainly helps China to
17:04
get a foothold of media
17:06
presence in Africa. CGTN
17:08
has a big, big office in Nairobi.
17:11
I think there are about three floors
17:13
of a big establishment in Nairobi. From
17:16
what I understand, there are about 300
17:18
journalists working there, and
17:20
there's many, many more correspondents across
17:23
the continent. So you will
17:25
find people in South Africa, people in Ghana,
17:27
people in Egypt, in Sudan. Someone
17:29
would actually be in the Central
17:32
African Republic corresponding for CGTN.
17:34
So it's a big, big operation. This
17:37
does sound like a big media empire
17:39
that China has built over the last
17:41
decades. Do we know how much money
17:43
they have put into it? The
17:46
Chinese are quite opaque in terms of the
17:48
expenditure on the continent. I mean, we will know
17:50
about the loans they're giving countries
17:52
because it makes them look good. But
17:54
we'll never know how much they're spending
17:57
in their media operations. They're paying journalists
17:59
quite highly. especially when they came
18:01
into Nairobi, for instance. They
18:03
put some of the best or the
18:05
highest ranking journalists across local media. We
18:07
do know that the hardware costs a
18:10
lot of money. Having correspondence across the
18:12
continent, I think, in some 40-plus countries
18:15
out of 54, and they also
18:17
deploy heavily, so that
18:19
also costs some money. I think it
18:21
goes into the millions of dollars, yes,
18:23
but we do not know the actual
18:25
figures that the Chinese have spent. They
18:27
don't tell anyone that. Here's
18:29
something to give you an idea
18:31
about the scale of this externally
18:33
focused media operation. CGTN
18:36
broadcasts in English, French,
18:38
Russian, Spanish and Arabic,
18:41
with international hubs in Nairobi,
18:43
Washington and London. It
18:48
has six television channels and 58
18:50
radio outlets, available in more than
18:52
160 countries and regions. Setting
18:59
up a media operation like this
19:01
is no mean feat. The
19:03
Chinese media's big, big push in Africa begins
19:05
somewhere around 2000, and
19:08
it begins with the creation of
19:10
the focus for the
19:13
China-Africa forum, FOCAC. And
19:15
that is around the same time when China
19:17
begins to give massive, massive loans to the
19:20
African continent. So when this
19:22
happens, China wants to tell
19:24
its story, saying, okay, this is what
19:26
we are. China tries to present itself
19:28
as one of the leading developing countries,
19:30
and Africa is home to a lot
19:33
of developing countries. So part
19:35
of it is trying to press its own
19:37
narrative, and China, I think, has
19:39
always been skeptical about what the Western media will
19:41
say. So they're partly
19:44
correcting, perhaps, what they view as skewed
19:46
interpretation of China on the continent, that
19:48
they want to say, this is what
19:50
we are doing, and part
19:52
of it is Chinese audiences, what they're
19:54
doing in Africa. CGTN comes to Nairobi
19:57
in 2012. It's
19:59
making a huge... and now it's much,
20:01
much bigger across the continent as well. In
20:03
terms of local employees, these
20:06
are people who have had big careers
20:08
in local media. So part of
20:10
it is building on these brands,
20:12
people who had names in the local
20:14
media, using that brand to bring
20:16
it to CGTN, who then employ them to
20:19
do the same work, but in a different
20:21
platform. I think part of it is also
20:23
seeing that if some people have a following,
20:25
then that following might follow them to CGTN.
20:28
CGTN is not the only
20:31
Chinese-controlled news outlet in Africa.
20:34
Beijing's media presence on the continent
20:36
goes back decades. In the
20:38
news media, there's a lot of three or
20:41
four state and media agencies
20:43
operating in Africa. So
20:45
there's the CGTN, China Global
20:47
Television Network. There's Xinhua,
20:50
which is the news agency. There's China
20:52
Radio International, or CRI, which is also
20:54
operating in local languages. There's also
20:56
the CRI, which is also operating
20:58
in the UK. There
21:01
are Swahili programs, Hausa
21:03
programs in Nigeria, and then
21:05
there's China Daily, which is a weekly one. Now,
21:08
the other one is Start Times,
21:10
which distribute students, and then there's
21:13
also Chinese channels,
21:15
so they distribute across
21:17
Africa. So Start Times
21:19
is a big, big distributor of
21:21
programs. Start Times is
21:23
just as important as the actual
21:25
media operation, if not more. It's
21:28
a provider of digital and satellite
21:30
TV services. And guess
21:32
what? CGTN is included
21:34
in all its basic packages.
21:37
It's the hardware that is the vehicle
21:39
for the soft power. And
21:42
Beijing has come up with other ways to
21:44
sway public opinion. Since 2016,
21:46
China has been training African journalists,
21:48
so they are flown to China.
21:50
They are trained there. It's been
21:53
done before with scholarships to the
21:55
US, the UK. People come back
21:57
and then they become like proxies
21:59
or surrogates for the Chinese people.
22:01
government here. They report for their
22:03
own news magazines, publications, talking about
22:06
China's involvement in Africa and they
22:08
have very, very positive outlook. They
22:10
report themselves are very, very glowing.
22:12
The Chinese establishments in African
22:15
media also have very, very close
22:17
working relationships with African
22:19
editors. So like in Kenya, they
22:21
have involved with the editors'
22:24
guild in Nairobi. So they are very, very
22:26
close there with that. Now
22:28
China Daily also has a very
22:30
interesting relationship with the local media. For
22:34
instance, in Kenya, there is Capital FM,
22:36
which is a big radio. It has
22:38
a website, but on its own website
22:40
there is a section with China Daily,
22:43
which publishes content from China Daily directly.
22:49
You're listening to the Global Jigsaw
22:51
from BBC Monitoring. Oti
22:55
mentioned that CGTN employs 300 people,
22:58
some Chinese, many African. What do
23:00
we know about the chain of
23:03
command? What we know is
23:05
that in the higher roles, there are
23:07
roles of editor, they are usually
23:09
Chinese people. So I think part of it
23:11
is to try and see what goes out,
23:14
because the editor has the last word on what
23:16
goes out. Here's a curious detail.
23:18
They are not called editors, they
23:20
are called supervisors. The
23:22
channel produces one hour long bulletins twice
23:25
daily, as well as political talk shows.
23:28
We watched a bit of their
23:30
output while in Nairobi to get a
23:32
sense of their journalism. And I'm Beatriz
23:35
Marshall from CGTN. What is the
23:37
significance of this 60 years for
23:39
Tanzania? 60 years
23:41
of friendship between
23:43
Tanzania and China. The
23:47
one cover Taiwan on the continent, unless
23:50
of course it is to say the
23:53
one China policy. So we saw
23:55
the Taiwanese elections, but any reporting
23:57
from here was about Burkina Faso.
24:00
pledging or iterating the
24:02
One China policy. Kenya the same,
24:04
the One China policy. Nigeria, One
24:06
China policy. So the actual
24:08
news spec, elections in Taiwan, that wasn't
24:10
mentioned at all? You wouldn't
24:12
see it anywhere in Chinese media. So,
24:16
yeah, the point is always the One
24:18
China policy. It feels like a requirement
24:20
for African countries that you need to
24:22
pledge your belief in the One China
24:24
policy to be able to get the
24:27
kind of things you need from Beijing.
24:29
What we have seen with Chinese media
24:31
is what I think they
24:34
call constructive journalism, the journalism
24:36
that does not offend, does
24:38
not want to expose partners. These
24:40
are African countries in any bad
24:42
light. So, of course, they
24:45
cover the whole spectrum of topics. It would
24:47
be tech, it would be politics, it would
24:49
be sport, it would be culture, but it
24:51
has to be very sanitized version of what
24:54
is happening. So what is
24:56
the message that Beijing thinks would appeal
24:58
to the local audience? How
25:00
is it making itself kai, or
25:03
lovable on the African continent? China
25:05
wants to present itself as the fastest
25:08
growing developing country. So we
25:10
are a developing country, you are a developing
25:12
country. Look, we've brought this number of million
25:14
people out of poverty in a very short
25:16
time. You can also do it. We've built
25:18
roads. Let us show you how to build
25:20
roads. You need money for something.
25:22
We can give you this money, and we can
25:24
send some engineers to you. There's all
25:27
of this narrative of we are helping
25:29
you, supporting you, but we are
25:31
not lecturing you. We're not talking to you about
25:33
human rights. We are not talking to you about
25:35
what you should do as a country, which
25:38
is the greatest criticism they have about
25:40
the West, that the West is always
25:42
interfering in the affairs of other countries.
25:44
After all this investment, who
25:46
is the message reaching? How
25:48
popular is CGTN? Let's
25:51
talk about the holy grail
25:53
of broadcasting, viewership figures. In
25:56
terms of viewership of international media, the
25:59
BBC, CNN, CNN, Al
26:01
Jazeera are the top three. Media
26:03
viewership, for instance, of CGTN,
26:05
it's very difficult to ascertain. But
26:08
what we have seen from some
26:10
scholars who have done surveys, see
26:13
very low viewership rates of below
26:15
10 percent comparatively to the other
26:18
media organizations. It tells you
26:20
that the reach is not that huge. First,
26:23
because it's syndication, for
26:25
instance, through local television stations,
26:28
local media outlets, but this syndication
26:30
is not sufficient. In terms of
26:33
viewership, there
26:35
is competition and they are
26:37
not the first go to media for
26:39
news. Yet many with
26:41
a special interest tune in to
26:44
CGTN. So these are traders,
26:46
for instance, who import stuff from China. They
26:48
want to know what is happening in Chinese
26:50
markets. People who are in academia want
26:52
to know what are the narrative that Chinese are
26:54
peddling. So these are the people who will be
26:56
going to see the television. Now, on
27:00
another end, there's people who go
27:02
to Star Times, which has soaps,
27:04
dramas and Chinese kung fu shows.
27:06
Now, those people are going there
27:08
to see the cultural side of
27:11
stuff. But still the viewership,
27:13
as I said, is a little lower than
27:15
we expect. Audience reach is
27:17
not just about numbers. And here
27:20
comes the more subtle push, relying
27:22
on pundits with China background.
27:25
The pundits would come back. They would be
27:27
on hand from time to time to push
27:30
Chinese narratives. So for instance, when
27:32
there's BRI, the 10th anniversary,
27:34
we saw a lot of articles in
27:37
Kenyan media as opinion
27:39
pieces appearing in the
27:41
newspapers. They'll talk about the debt, especially
27:44
because the West has always been saying
27:47
that the Chinese loans
27:49
are a debt trap. So China debt
27:51
trap diplomacy, they'll come and count and
27:53
say all of these tangible things
27:55
that the Chinese are giving us have done.
27:57
So they'll talk about the roads. They'll talk
27:59
about the education schemes that talk
28:01
about funding for education and Confucius
28:03
institutions and things like that. Let's
28:06
look at the story from the Chinese perspective
28:08
again. What can be
28:10
gleaned from Beijing's recent official narrative?
28:13
China is not buying Africa, it
28:15
is building Africa. This
28:17
CGTN clip was tweeted by the
28:20
Chinese Embassy in Nairobi. Xi
28:22
Jinping met with the leaders of
28:24
the African Union and it
28:26
said China's policy towards Africa
28:29
was based on the
28:31
principle of sincerity, real
28:33
result, amity and good
28:35
faith. What
28:42
does it sound like in Chinese? So
28:44
in Chinese it is called zhèn
28:46
zhè qīn chān. So
28:48
zhèn is being real and
28:51
zhè is substantial firm. So
28:53
I guess it means like pragmatic and
28:56
real result and qīn I think is
28:58
like dear. And then chān
29:00
is sincerity. So
29:02
basically I think it's just like a
29:04
literal translation but in Chinese it also
29:08
means very good but doesn't mean
29:10
anything that substantial. But
29:12
it kind of gives you the vibe of
29:14
what China sees Africa as a
29:17
partner, really warm feeling
29:19
you know friendly. Warm
29:21
friendly. Warm friendly, dear
29:23
friends and also real and
29:26
pragmatic and providing real
29:28
result. And there's more of
29:30
this kind of language coming from the
29:33
Central Propaganda Department which Tom will decipher
29:35
for us. At the CCP's
29:37
20th National Congress in October 2022
29:39
Xi instructs the Central Propaganda
29:44
Department to accelerate the
29:47
development of Chinese discourse
29:49
and narrative system and
29:52
effectively communicate the voice of
29:54
China to portray a credible,
29:57
lovable and respectable image of China.
30:00
of China. So what
30:02
jumped at me here is the
30:04
word lovable, because we are talking
30:06
about geopolitics and that's probably the
30:08
last words you'd expect. And in
30:10
Chinese, kai, lovable, which
30:12
also means cute. It
30:14
was proposed against the background that
30:16
in recent years, China's
30:19
image internationally has
30:22
not been very good since
30:24
the COVID pandemic and
30:26
also what China has been
30:28
accused of. It's a
30:31
conduct in Xinjiang and also in
30:33
Hong Kong, so they want to
30:35
change that narrative. But
30:37
also the debt trap
30:39
that the Western media has
30:41
accused China of by giving
30:44
loans that the African country could
30:46
not pay, then in turns they
30:48
would take control of
30:51
those infrastructure projects that
30:53
China financed. They
30:55
also want to change that narrative in
30:57
the continent as well. And
31:00
that's why they are having this
31:02
campaign of portraying China as a
31:04
credible, lovable and
31:07
respectable country. And this
31:09
is what lovable means on the ground. Back
31:12
to Orte. In my village or
31:14
somewhere near my village, about
31:16
370 kilometres from Nairobi, there
31:19
was an irrigation scheme done by the Chinese.
31:22
And everyone in the village knows that this has
31:24
been done by the Chinese. It's a tangible thing
31:26
that people see. So
31:28
if it is a hospital, people will tell you,
31:31
we were walking this many, many kilometres before to
31:33
get to this hospital, but now we have something
31:35
close by and it has all the equipment. And
31:38
if there is a Chinese doctor involved, then say,
31:40
well, these Chinese people are doing fantastic job. So
31:42
all of these are the kind of narratives that
31:44
they want in their media. China
31:48
wants to project itself as one of
31:50
the bigger powers. And if
31:52
there's any opportunity for them to try
31:54
and poke holes into the ideals that
31:56
are being espoused by the other global
31:59
powers, then... do it. China
32:01
thinks it has an opportunity to tell
32:03
its narrative. And this narrative is in
32:05
the Belt and Road Initiative. Its narrative
32:07
is the doctrines it's sending to Africa.
32:10
Its narrative is also the fact that
32:12
it's not interfering with anyone. And
32:15
part of it is also like all of
32:17
these people-to-people ties. The soft power they want
32:19
to show is nice, friendly
32:22
power who's not coming to lecture
32:24
you and who has the
32:26
kind of things you don't have as a
32:28
continent which they can't provide for you. China
32:31
might have started using its
32:33
old anti-imperialist credentials. To ask
32:35
the questions, many politicians on
32:37
the continent might find timely.
32:40
What did the West ever do for you? I
32:43
think to a large extent it
32:45
has to do with the chance
32:47
to tell its own stories.
32:50
Because China mistrusts the West, of course.
32:52
I mean, it's a competing global power.
32:55
And part of it is trying to correct or
32:57
to tell the narrative that it wants to project.
33:00
So if the US are saying, dead
33:02
trap, China will come and counter that
33:05
and say, no, we are not actually
33:07
doing dead trap diplomacy. We are building
33:09
actual roles and are doing for the
33:12
people. The media is just one of
33:14
those, but big investment in terms of
33:16
loan, the big investment in terms of
33:19
scholarships, Confucius Institute, the
33:21
international collaborations, the flying of
33:23
journalists to China. All of
33:26
those work together to
33:28
tell the Chinese story better than say
33:30
its other media. And
33:33
how is China perceived by people on
33:35
the continent? So
33:37
there have been some surveys that
33:39
have shown that China is one
33:41
of the most preferred big powers on the
33:44
continent. We understand
33:46
its declining since COVID. I
33:48
think the fact that COVID came out
33:50
of Wuhan beats its image to a
33:52
large extent. During COVID
33:54
also, China wasn't
33:56
the go to country for vaccines,
33:58
although it did. supply vaccines
34:01
and around the same time China had
34:03
to dial down on its landing to
34:05
African countries Zambia defaulted during
34:08
the Covid period. So
34:18
there was a massive anger there in
34:21
Kenya as well for instance the reduction in the
34:23
amount of money they were sending in meant
34:25
some projects were stalled and so
34:27
there were all of these feelings of not
34:30
being the partner that it
34:32
had promised to be. As
34:34
the world was dealing with the pandemic Zambia's
34:37
default was somewhat lost in the
34:39
news and I thought he was
34:41
saying there was a lot of anger there towards
34:43
China the single biggest
34:46
creditor. Let's
34:50
look at the other case study that of
34:52
Kenya to see if the weather cock has
34:54
changed direction. 20 years
34:56
ago Nairobi articulated its pivot
34:58
to Beijing in a policy
35:01
called Look East and the
35:03
president Moai Kibaki. There was
35:05
some bit of an economic recession and
35:07
then when Kibaki comes it starts with the Look
35:09
East policy. Now Look East
35:11
is look to China basically so
35:14
China becomes a very big partner
35:16
to Kenya's development. It's
35:18
also coincides with the time when China
35:21
is doing a lot more on the
35:23
continent in terms of loans in terms
35:25
of making inroads diplomatically. Then
35:27
came more loans with very few
35:29
strings attached. By 2010 China
35:32
became Africa's largest trading partner.
35:36
Fast forward to the Kenyan
35:38
presidential campaign of 2022 and
35:41
one of the front runners William Ruto
35:43
had been big on Chinese loans while
35:45
he was vice president but
35:47
as a presidential candidate and
35:49
later as president he somewhat
35:52
changed his tune. One
35:54
of the things he did was to bust
35:56
Chinese loans he was criticizing
35:58
the debt saying that they
36:00
were going to make sure that the
36:03
debt is restructured. Then he was also
36:05
talking about Chinese businesses coming into Canada
36:07
to do retail trade. And they were
36:09
saying that once we get to power,
36:12
we won't allow these small traders to
36:14
take the small businesses from our people.
36:16
Of course, China was noticing what's happening
36:18
there. So President William
36:20
Brute, when he came to power, he said
36:22
he found an economy that was, to use
36:25
the words of his deputy, dilapidated. Because
36:28
of the shrinking economy, they
36:31
asked to restructure the debt. But
36:33
that doesn't happen. But in the
36:36
period between him taking over and
36:38
on the back of the campaign rhetoric, Ruto
36:41
started to look west. And looking west
36:44
is going back to the
36:46
U.S. and the U.K. allies. China is not
36:49
our largest debt
36:51
holder. We have huge
36:54
relationships with the World
36:57
Bank, with IMF, with European
36:59
Union, with the U.S. I
37:01
think Ruto is trying to
37:03
diversify his chances economically. Kenya
37:06
has signed big, big deals with
37:08
IMF. But also
37:10
President Ruto went to China and
37:13
tried to renegotiate some loans. A
37:16
year into his presidency, the Kenyan leader
37:18
is off to Beijing. And
37:20
his rhetoric there seems quite different.
37:23
Kenya and China have been friends.
37:26
And that friendship has
37:28
not stagnated. It's been growing. William
37:31
Bruto, during his trip to China
37:33
in October 2023 to
37:36
commemorate the 10th anniversary of
37:38
the Bell and Roa Initiative,
37:41
was coded by Chinese media
37:44
as praising China's BLI, including
37:48
the Mombasa-Nairobi railway. Ever
37:51
taken a ride on the train
37:53
yourself? What was it like? Oh
37:55
yes, it's quite an experience. To
37:57
further helping Kenyans and Africans in
37:59
the world. industrialization and
38:02
also agricultural modernization. And
38:05
he was also called as supporting the
38:08
One China Policy and support
38:10
Beijing's position on their
38:12
domestic human rights issues.
38:16
And in an interview with
38:18
Chinese state news agency Xinhua,
38:20
Ruto was also refilting the
38:22
notion in the Western media
38:24
that China was using this
38:27
debt trap. While
38:29
he was bigging up China's role in
38:31
Africa for Chinese audiences, Ruto
38:33
might have felt snubbed by his
38:35
hosts upon arrival. He was
38:38
met at the airport by the transport minister
38:40
when other people were met by presidents, was
38:42
given a shorter red carpet when he went
38:44
there. Shorter red carpet.
38:46
Ouch. In contrast, the Ethiopian
38:49
Prime Minister, Abi Ahmed, was greeted
38:51
by traditional dancers at the airport
38:53
when he landed for the same
38:55
event. We
38:59
at BBC Monitoring often observe this.
39:02
The message changes depending on the audience.
39:05
So let's have a last look at
39:07
China's image in Africa. What's
39:09
the perception after 20-odd active years
39:11
on the continent? Africans
39:14
in general still view
39:16
Chinese relatively positive. For
39:19
example, we have these
39:21
Afro-barometer national surveys in
39:23
34 African countries from
39:26
2019 to 2021. The
39:29
surveys show that 63% Africans
39:33
hold positive views of Chinese assistance
39:35
and influence on the continent, which
39:37
is higher than the US, which
39:39
is at 60%. And
39:43
China also remains second to the US
39:45
as the preferred development
39:47
models for Africans. In
39:50
the Chinese Communist Party HQ in
39:53
Beijing, this is viewed as a
39:55
job well done. So what is
39:57
left to achieve in Africa? to
40:00
Oti for his thoughts on the future
40:02
of the Chinese media operation on the
40:04
continent. Since the pandemic, what
40:06
we have seen is that the Chinese media
40:08
empire, so to speak, is not expanding as
40:10
it used to be. We
40:12
understand that some bureaus for Xinhua, for instance,
40:14
have been closed. We are seeing
40:17
what would be stalling in terms of its
40:19
investments, in terms of its deployment, in terms
40:21
of its coverage of the continent. For
40:24
the next couple of years, China is
40:26
still going to use CRI, the China
40:28
Red International. CIGI-Tien is still
40:30
going to play a big part of
40:32
Chinese media operations on the continent, to
40:35
deploy people who look
40:38
like me across the continent,
40:40
talking on televisions that are
40:42
watched by people from
40:45
all walks of life. You
40:47
won't have to go to CIGI-Tien to get
40:49
information about China. When you can
40:51
get that from a commentator who, as
40:54
an individual who is not smart enough in
40:56
terms of media literacy, will not understand his
40:58
picking on the bureaus for China, but
41:00
silently the journalist China
41:02
is training, the media houses
41:05
is partnering with, the surrogates
41:07
or the people who are being
41:09
deployed across the continent to
41:11
say the Chinese narrative that
41:13
they want to convey would
41:16
be playing a big part in the kind
41:18
of soft power for China.
41:22
Beijing seems to have settled in Africa for
41:24
the long haul, just as
41:26
the Chinese workers I came across
41:28
in Nairobi's Chinatown. contributors
42:00
Shem O'Tiano and Tom Lapp.
42:03
Research was by Alison Oniango and
42:06
Vincent Kiesunya. The producer is Krista
42:08
Chatteri and the technical producer is
42:11
Elchin Solleimano. The sound
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