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It's Tuesday, February seventh twenty

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twenty three from Peach Fish Productions. It's

0:38

the gist I'm Mike Pesca. Tonight

0:40

is Joe Biden's speech to both

0:42

Houses of Congress where he will certainly

0:45

reveal that the state of the union

0:47

is inattentive. I mean,

0:50

we've got balloon gazi to pick over.

0:52

And look, I know I should give time, attention,

0:54

resources to previewing the speech

0:56

and then post mortemming the speech

0:59

and asking questions like Mooch will this

1:01

help Joe Biden and the Democratic agenda?

1:03

But I remember last year. He

1:06

delivered the speech just as Russia was

1:08

rolling into Ukraine. And the coverage

1:10

that night was something like, yeah, we probably

1:12

won't even be talking about this speech next

1:15

week, but they were wrong. They

1:17

weren't even talking about it later that week.

1:19

That Sunday, on meet the press, Chuck Todd

1:21

wondered to the chuckles of his panel.

1:23

Stay tuned in. Is anybody writing about morning.

1:26

It is Right. -- you know, amazingly lost

1:28

Robin. So there is no new

1:30

invasion of Ukraine by the Russians

1:33

this time. But there was an invasion.

1:35

Oh, no. Not just an invasion. An incursion.

1:38

A balloon incursion. And

1:41

for the right, there was at least three busloads

1:43

of disapproval to keep upon

1:45

the president's inaction. As Biden's

1:48

cowardly, reckless response to

1:50

this crisis continues to unfold

1:52

in real time. Sean Hannity alleging

1:55

feklessness. Flat

1:58

feklessness. But

2:00

if you shot the balloon down over

2:03

a population center, then

2:05

the criticism would be recklessness.

2:08

So do you proceed without

2:10

fact or without wreck? Like a millstone

2:13

around his neck discharge of lack of fact?

2:15

I know. Right? What the heck? So factless or reckless

2:17

As we spoke yesterday, Marco Rubio's

2:19

framing was that this just shows

2:21

that the US is a nation in decline. Most

2:24

of the other Republicans, I heard talking

2:27

about this, were saying the same thing,

2:29

week week leader, by which they mean,

2:31

our leader. So what must they

2:33

be saying in China about their

2:35

leader? Well, if Biden's weak,

2:37

he must have shown himself to be strong. Nope.

2:40

Financial Times headline, Chinese

2:42

balloon fuhrer puts focus

2:45

on Xi Jinping's leadership concerns

2:47

emerge about decision making atop of

2:49

Beijing's policy apparatus. And

2:52

the New York Times describing the, quote,

2:54

Chinese balloon that bumbled this way across

2:56

the United States, reported that

2:58

the balloon might be a lighter than

3:00

air touchstone, quote, focusing the world's

3:02

attention on the prospect that the communications

3:05

and control within Chinese leader

3:07

Xi Jinping's government and his vented

3:09

security apparatus maybe less

3:11

coherent or even less functional

3:14

than the image he so confidently projects.

3:17

So in the US, our most patriotic

3:19

Republicans are bemoaning US dysfunction

3:22

in the face of Chinese guile. While

3:24

over in China, the same incident is

3:26

seen as a side of Chinese dysfunction

3:28

and lack of guile. Balloon or

3:31

rorschach test, unpiloted

3:33

surveillance craft or empty

3:35

vessel to pour one's domestic complaints

3:38

and insecurities into. The best

3:40

phrase, I think, was in the financial times.

3:43

Keep in mind the old adage that the Chinese think

3:45

in terms of centuries, f t says,

3:47

quote, Chinese analysts downplayed

3:50

the long term ramifications of the confrontation,

3:53

which they say was likely to blow

3:55

over. Though By their own admission,

3:58

Chinese estimates of which way the wind blows

4:00

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designation is unique among just

6:06

guests He's a unit of time, eleven

6:08

days, the Scaramucci, Anthony Scaramucci

6:11

joins us to talk about cover

6:12

story, the new podcast, and his career.

6:15

Thanks for coming on the chest.

6:17

Hey, man. It's a you you first of all, you have an

6:19

amazing show. I love listening to

6:21

you. You're fresh and authentic And

6:23

I love the fact that you described me as self promoter

6:26

because are we all self promoters from Long

6:28

Island, Sean Hannity, Mike Peska,

6:30

Anthony Skaramucci, Rosa Donald Howard

6:32

Stern, or or the Howard

6:34

Stern. I mean, come on. Who could be more promotional?

6:36

So I have been listening to the new podcast,

6:39

but, you know, I also listened to the

6:41

old podcast. TMI. And

6:43

in an early episode, you

6:45

had on a mental health expert named

6:48

Harold Copelowitz, and you were talking about

6:50

the candidate pool of twenty sixteen This

6:52

is about the time where Trump had sewn up the nomination,

6:54

but you you hadn't yet endorsed

6:57

him. Copley says that

6:59

he was very disturbed by

7:01

Trump's thin skin, he thinks it's a terrible

7:03

quality and a person and a candidate. And

7:05

you rebut copyrights and you

7:07

say, You don't think he has thin skin.

7:09

He's just a good street fighter, and that's

7:12

a tactic that worked for

7:14

him. So looking

7:16

back on that, what was

7:18

going on there? I would say you got it

7:20

wrong, but was there was there some sort

7:22

of self motivation

7:24

on all. Yeah. Because mean, I I love I

7:26

love doctor Cappellis. He's way smarter

7:28

than me. But, like, you

7:30

know, and you know this from the grid of Long

7:32

Island and, you know, where you grew up and where

7:34

I grew up, you know, there's

7:36

different types of smarts, the street smarts,

7:38

his intuition, there's academic smarts.

7:41

Trump, okay,

7:43

it does not have a thin skin. And people could say

7:45

whatever hell they want. I can prove

7:47

that he has a skin like armadillo. He's

7:50

gone through tabloid. He's

7:52

gone through lawsuits. He's been

7:54

grinded by the media for

7:57

fifty years. It's

7:59

a tactic. It's a feature.

8:01

It's not a bug of his personality. He

8:04

actually enjoys it

8:06

But what he is is a fucking bully.

8:09

Okay? Now that's different from being a thin skin

8:11

guy. Okay? So he's a bully. So

8:13

if you're hitting him, he's gonna get

8:15

into a counter punching position and hit

8:17

you back like twenty times, okay,

8:20

to show you who's boss. Okay. Now

8:22

I love that. Because when

8:24

he started to fight with me, I had to

8:26

deal with boys. Right? So, I mean, he completely

8:29

immediately boomed, stopped the fight with

8:31

me, once I you know,

8:33

first shot was I said he was the fattest president.

8:35

This is William Howard Taft. I knew he hated

8:37

that. I got knocked off of Twitter for twelve hours

8:40

because you can't. Fat shaming people. And

8:42

then he came back at me and then I said, geez, you're

8:44

getting old because I know hates being fat and

8:46

old. I said, these retorts

8:48

are, like, lame. You know,

8:50

you're talking to a fellow Yorker. I'm not Ted Cruz.

8:52

You're gonna have to come up with better retorts. And

8:54

then I smack them hard. You wanna hear what I said?

8:57

Don't I said I spoke

8:59

to Stormy because

9:01

she was on a Bill Mar show with me and everyone's

9:03

got a nickname and your nickname is

9:05

tiny Trump. Okay?

9:07

And so we know that's why you're over masculine

9:10

and that's why you're wearing the high heels and

9:12

you have the orange war paint done and all that

9:14

stuff because you're hiding from,

9:17

you know, what the Italian would say, Piccolo

9:19

Pisca deli. You know what I mean? The poor guy. Right?

9:21

Once I did that, Mike, the game was

9:23

over Okay. Because what happens

9:26

with bullies like Trump, they will fight

9:28

back, and they'll get nasty until

9:31

they meet up with somebody that's ready to fight with

9:33

them. They're ready to take I'm on. Okay? So

9:35

so what what Kaplowitz should have

9:37

said is that due

9:40

to his narcissism, and

9:42

due to his intellectual wholeness, he

9:45

should never have been in that position. And

9:47

somebody like me or General Kelly

9:49

or Jim Mattis or Mike

9:52

Pompeo, Kellyanne Conway, we

9:56

as responsible people, more normal

9:58

than Trump at least, should have never supported

10:00

him. So I have to own that for the rest of my life

10:02

and I do. And I've apologized for

10:05

that, but I can't go back on that.

10:07

And I would say to anybody listening to your

10:09

amazing podcast, if you've never

10:11

made a mistake in life, shell

10:14

me and throw rocks at me. But if you have

10:16

made a mistake in in life, I hope

10:18

you at least respect me for

10:20

owning my mistake and being accountable for

10:22

it. And then I did go after the

10:25

guy when he was the sitting president of

10:27

the United States, the most powerful person

10:29

in the world, I was hitting him as hard as

10:31

I could hit him on every national

10:33

television network that there

10:34

was, okay, to try to prevent him

10:37

from getting reelected. I wanna unwind

10:39

a couple aspects of your answer. One

10:42

is not to get into semantics.

10:44

What counts as thin skin and what doesn't.

10:47

And I take your point that if

10:49

what we count as thin skin is, how much does

10:51

it bother him? It doesn't. Yeah. I I

10:53

believe that it doesn't really bother him

10:56

in his soul for reasons of I don't

10:58

know how in touch with any kind of emotions

11:00

he is. Fine. Putting that aside. But

11:02

I think cop Lewis was saying is it's a very

11:04

bad quality for a leader

11:06

and I subscribe to this because you

11:08

allow yourself to get distracted. And

11:11

rather than keeping your eye on what's important,

11:14

if anyone comes after you, you feel

11:16

obligated, you can't stop yourself

11:18

from going back at them. And so it might not

11:20

bother

11:20

you, but it totally undoes your agenda.

11:22

You

11:23

know, a hundred percent right about that. And if that's

11:25

the point that Harold was making But

11:27

it overall seems to have rather bad

11:29

quality, not just in terms of morals, in

11:31

terms of leadership. It will shit on

11:33

me all the time. They write nasty things about

11:35

me on Twitter. They they try to

11:37

mischaracterize me in reality shows

11:39

though. And it's it's fine. You know what

11:41

I mean? At the end of the day, if you're in the public

11:44

domain, you

11:46

have to expect that. You know, it's like Danny and

11:48

Mendola became a friend of mine because we

11:50

were on a special forces show together.

11:52

And I said Danny, you know, he said, well, politics

11:55

man sucks. You get your ass kicked. You said Danny, put

11:57

a helmet on in the NFL. You get a concussion.

11:59

Guaranteed, unless you're the punter

12:01

or the kicker, you're gonna end up with

12:03

at least one concussion in the season. And

12:06

my point is if you go into politics,

12:08

you're gonna get defined, you're gonna get two dimensionalized,

12:10

you're gonna get carrikyard. I

12:12

guess, the only issue that the Cuomo's have

12:15

and the Scaramucci's have is

12:17

that they go after the Italian's heart. Hard,

12:19

man. You know, they say shit like

12:22

I'm a mafia dog. I

12:24

was Tony Soprano on the potomac.

12:26

I was a gym. I was a Jim Tan

12:28

Laundry, Georgia Shorepass member

12:30

in the White House. I've

12:32

been called a Guido, slicked

12:34

back So they don't do that for

12:37

blacks. They don't do that for Jews. Right?

12:39

Because they got anti defamation league

12:41

and double ACP, all this stuff. They don't

12:43

do that. But the Italians, for

12:45

whatever reason, they can come

12:47

at you with the racial infective and

12:49

the racial slurs. And by the way, I'm

12:51

a big boy. You know, I'm I sit

12:54

down the Columbus Citizens Foundation

12:57

and these guys are upset with the Sopranos and

12:59

just anything. I'm believe it in the first amendment. No

13:01

problem. Say whatever you want. But

13:04

but at least the the problem is you can't

13:06

reciprocate. Like I said to reverend

13:08

Sharpton, What if we had a

13:10

show on HBO, nine o'clock on Sunday

13:13

nights? We called it The Jacksons, and

13:15

we were up in Harlem. We shooting at each other.

13:17

We had spinners on the escalades. We had

13:19

golden our teeth. We had hoes everywhere.

13:22

We were smoking crack pipes, murdering

13:24

each other, shooting a heroin, And

13:26

we took every black negative

13:28

archetype, every black negative stereotype,

13:31

and we broadcast it on HBO nine

13:33

to ten o'clock every Sunday night. You guys

13:35

would be marching on Washington. Marching

13:38

on Washington. Not the Italians. No

13:40

problem. Let's go. We can take

13:42

it. And and and I'm just

13:45

mentioning it and observing it,

13:48

but I'm a big boy. I can take the beaten,

13:50

and Trump cannot take the beaten. But

13:53

he's not taking the beating because he's thin skin. He's taking

13:55

the beating because he's a bully.

13:58

See, and and I think your point and maybe

14:00

Harold's point is leaders should

14:02

not be bullies. A leader,

14:04

good leaders should be tough. No question,

14:07

but they have to love humanity If

14:09

you're going up against flatter reporting, you gotta be tough,

14:12

but you also have to demonstrate that you love humanity.

14:14

That's why I'm I'm up I'm up set with the scientists.

14:16

Don't fly to people tomorrow's vineyard.

14:19

Don't fly him there. Because they're they're people

14:21

that could have been my grandmother. Don't fly

14:23

him for more this venue. And then he'll say to

14:25

me, well, why shouldn't I fly in more this venue? They're

14:27

flying Joe Biden's moving the people

14:29

all over the country. Okay. Two rooms

14:32

don't make them right. You're better than that.

14:35

Great leaders don't do that. Great leaders

14:38

They they win the people in the

14:40

intellectual marketplace of free

14:42

ideas. They don't have to

14:44

do bullying things Okay.

14:46

It it it reflects poorly on the

14:48

country, to be honest. It's not it's not the country that you

14:50

and I grew up in when you're doing shit like that.

14:52

When you get called a Guido or

14:55

Mafia Don or subscribing to

14:57

concepts of Omerta. Does that actually

15:00

offend you ethically? Or is

15:02

it more that you see the injustice that

15:05

these sort of slurries can't be directed

15:07

at others?

15:08

Yes. This is a double standard. I laugh,

15:10

hey, I named my restaurant the hunt and

15:12

fish club. I named it after John Godie's

15:14

social club and queens. Because I said, if

15:16

you're gonna stereotype me, let's go to the full

15:19

monty. You want the full monty named

15:21

the clays, the hunt and fish club, continue

15:23

to stereotype me. I got no problem

15:25

with it. Okay? And, you know, stallone

15:28

said something in CBS Sunday morning,

15:31

said, well, you know, for fifty years, I thought I was a mobster.

15:33

I never played a mobster. So I'm now finally

15:35

playing mobster. He's on Tulsa King. Right?

15:37

My my my my point is I

15:40

don't care, Mike. I don't

15:42

care. I'm just bringing it

15:44

up to emphasize, we're in a weird culture

15:46

now. We have a canceled culture. You

15:49

can't say certain things about certain people, you

15:51

can't use certain words, but you

15:53

want to steamroll in Italian with

15:54

negative, infective, and stereotypes. No

15:57

problem. That's still have licensed

15:59

to do that. I'll just note that, you

16:01

know, the Sopranos and and

16:04

the Godfather were made by Italians

16:06

and their great works of art, and so maybe

16:08

that that contained somebody. And I'll also

16:11

note that Ryan Lizzo,

16:13

who was the reporter that you did your

16:15

faithful interview

16:16

with, he's Italian. Well, no. Well well,

16:18

not only was he Italian, his father

16:21

was close personal friends with my dad,

16:24

they worked in the traction industry out

16:26

here on Long Island, and they met

16:28

each other in nineteen sixty seven.

16:30

So we had a fifty year

16:32

relationship with that family.

16:36

Okay? And so okay?

16:39

You know, what can I tell you? He made a decision.

16:41

And when he he said to me what he was gonna

16:44

do that he recorded me. And

16:46

I said, well, you didn't tell me you were

16:48

recording me. Well, it's a one party state,

16:51

blah blah, I said, okay. I said, if

16:53

you put that out, it was a legend

16:55

that relied about Steve Bannon, by the way. And it

16:57

was obviously vindicated because look what a nuke case

16:59

he is. But if you put that

17:01

out, it was a fun legendary

17:04

line. I'm gonna get fired. Put

17:07

it out. Your transactional guy

17:09

and a fifty year relationship between our two

17:11

families on Long Island is gonna end.

17:14

And you know from our relationship

17:16

and the camaraderie of our relationship

17:19

that that was off the record. But go ahead, put it out.

17:21

I'm gonna get fired. He put it out.

17:24

I got fired. But, Mike, let me say this to you.

17:26

I never blamed him. Blame me.

17:28

I took full account a build only forward. I didn't

17:30

blame Trump, I didn't blame Kelly. I'm personal

17:32

friends with John Kelly. I do speaking

17:34

engages with them all over the country. No

17:37

problem. I made a mistake. I

17:40

did something that embarrassed the president

17:42

or the office that I was sitting in and I got

17:44

fired. That's my fault. I

17:46

own it. Well, wait, the journalist where

17:49

your family knew the family for fifty years?

17:52

He did it to you. No. No. I

17:54

should have protected myself if you're

17:57

if you're sitting in a room with

17:59

a Scorpion and a Scorpion bites you,

18:01

hey, move away from the Scorpion. You follow what

18:03

I'm saying? You gotta do responsibility. So

18:05

I'm not a victim. I own the I own

18:07

the mistake. I was accountable for it.

18:09

But yeah, he was Italian. And he decided

18:11

he was gonna hurt me. He thought it was important for

18:13

his career. He's lost three jobs

18:17

since then. And he's

18:19

a little way word in his current job because

18:21

people don't trust them because, you

18:23

know, of what he did to me and and Howie

18:26

Kurtz, who is on Fox, who's

18:28

been in Washington for forty five years,

18:31

said to me, he's never

18:33

seen a White House correspondent, do

18:35

that to a White House official, like Ramamuel,

18:38

didn't say the FOM every seventeen seconds,

18:40

was, you know, they decided to do it to

18:42

me, God bless. You know, move on. I've

18:45

probably Ram's Invective

18:47

was not quite as colorful as you telling

18:50

telling the world that Steve Bannon performs,

18:52

let's say, self Felizio. But you know what you

18:54

are? Right? Audio Oh,

18:57

you're on the right side of history with that one,

18:59

and maybe he did you a

19:00

favor, getting you out of there. Yo.

19:03

God bless. Look at all everything works out, Pascal.

19:05

Let me ask them, do you believe in God? Nope.

19:08

Okay. But I'm gonna tell you why you should believe in

19:10

God. You wanna know why? Tell me. Okay. I'm gonna tell you

19:12

why. Okay. Because Steve Bannon

19:15

is charismatic. And Steve

19:17

Bannon is incredibly well read

19:20

And if you were listening to Steve Bannon on a podcast,

19:22

you didn't see him. Oh, you Mooch by

19:24

the guy. But God made him so motherfucking

19:27

ugly. To save the civilization

19:30

from Stephen.

19:31

You can't cover up that amount of ugly

19:33

people. No matter how many sure that you put

19:35

on? Contemporary whole bow with the bulbous

19:37

alcohol whole of nose and and

19:39

and so so god put

19:41

him he encapsulated them in a carcass

19:44

that is very homely

19:46

to save the civilization from

19:49

Steve Bannon. That

19:50

is the theological explanation for

19:52

Bannon and you're you've convinced me

19:54

more

19:54

than all those You should believe in God, because

19:57

God. I mean, how could you not believe God if I told

19:59

you that? I mean, come

20:00

on. God saved us from this jacket.

20:02

I wanna go back I

20:04

I wanna hit a a few things, but

20:06

you talked about you mentioned

20:09

that Trump came at you and you you

20:12

said he was the fattest president since Taft. Now

20:14

that happened in a time

20:16

of your career when you were post

20:18

White House but still

20:21

a public voice for much

20:23

of the Trump agenda. In fact, on that

20:25

Bill Mar episode, you know, seven eighths

20:27

of what you said was supporting what Trump

20:30

was doing, but but you did take

20:32

issue with him his racist

20:34

go back to your home country statements about

20:36

the members of the squad.

20:38

Yeah. I thought I thought that was racist, the

20:40

Nativeist, and I said the president shouldn't

20:42

talk like that. When I came off the show,

20:45

Bill looked at me and

20:47

he said, oh, you dead. Trump's gonna light you up tomorrow

20:49

on Twitter. I said, no way. not gonna light

20:51

me up on Twitter. He says, let me tell you something because you were

20:53

seven for eight for Trump tonight. You

20:56

gotta go thirteen to ten for a guy like Donald

20:58

Trump. And and and he watches

21:00

my show. He's not gonna like what you said.

21:03

And he's gonna light you up on Twitter

21:05

tomorrow. And I said to Bill, no

21:07

way I'll bet you dinner. I lost

21:09

the bet. We took I took him to dinner. But when

21:12

Trump hit me, Let me tell you

21:14

something that's very honest. Okay? And you can't see

21:16

what I'm I was as white as

21:18

the board on my desk or as

21:20

white as the door behind you. I

21:22

don't care who you are. He

21:25

was the sitting president of the

21:27

United States with a hundred and

21:29

fifty million Twitter followers.

21:32

And when he or eighty million, so whatever the

21:34

number was, when he hit me, I

21:37

went white. Okay. I

21:39

was in Craig's arrest front in LA

21:41

with my wife and I went

21:43

white. I got up from the table

21:46

and I went into the bathroom and

21:48

washed my face. And

21:50

then I responded to him. And then

21:53

what happened to me is that Long Island

21:55

thing kicked in and being Italian

21:57

and growing up the way I grew up. I said, wait a minute.

21:59

This guy's a we, yeah, he's the president of the United

22:01

States. But Mike, let me tell you the beauty of this

22:03

country. They still work for us. We

22:05

don't work for them. If we were in Russia,

22:08

you could first of all, I've already been taken out. And

22:10

if we were in Russia, I I can't

22:12

talk like that. You you you follow what I'm

22:14

saying, but we're here. I do. Okay. We're in a

22:16

free nation. So once he hit

22:18

me like that, I said,

22:19

okay, let's go. No problem.

22:21

But doesn't this show doesn't this show

22:24

that you broke

22:24

with Trump not out of principle, but because

22:27

of personal insults. And maybe

22:30

you've changed and maybe that was No.

22:32

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. I

22:34

broke with Trump because he's

22:37

crazy. And I broke with Trump

22:39

because what he did

22:42

to me was a sign of that craziness

22:45

I broke with Trump because he kept

22:48

moving the goalpost. But

22:50

that very show where you gave him loved

22:52

one insult at him. You were defending

22:54

all the rest of his

22:55

part. Hold on. Let me let me address

22:57

this. That this is very important.

22:59

I should have broken with Trump when

23:02

he was talking about the Mexicans on

23:05

the announcement of the

23:07

candidacy. Okay? But

23:09

I didn't because I morally

23:11

equivocated. Okay? I didn't.

23:14

And and Nikki Haley didn't. And

23:16

my Pompeo didn't. And so We

23:18

said to ourselves, okay, we're Republicans. What

23:21

he said was morally reprehensible

23:25

but we're gonna tolerate it because

23:27

we like him versus Hillary Clinton.

23:29

That is completely wrong. I have to own

23:31

that for the rest of my life. That decision

23:34

making was born from

23:37

moral expediency, political

23:40

expediency, and ego. Okay.

23:42

So I have to own that. I can't sit here

23:44

and tell you that I did something right.

23:47

I did something wrong. And it kept

23:49

going. He kept moving the

23:51

goalpost. It kept getting worse and

23:53

worse. And worse. And

23:56

what he does is he prays on your

23:58

loyalty, Mike. You're from Long Island. So

24:00

we don't know each other, but I guarantee you're a

24:02

loyal guy to your friends. Okay. But

24:04

loyalty is symmetrical. To

24:07

Trump, it's asymmetrical. So

24:09

what he does is he prays on your loyalty.

24:11

He says, okay, you're loyal to me. Let me

24:13

move the goal post. Does that upset you? Or doesn't

24:15

upset you yet? Okay. Let me move the goal

24:17

post. Oh, that doesn't upset you? Let me

24:20

move the goal post. Okay. So we pushed the goalpost

24:22

out into the parking lot past the end zone,

24:24

into the stadium, and I should

24:26

have broken from the guy in

24:29

twenty sixteen and never supported

24:31

him, but I didn't. So I have to

24:33

own that. Okay. So if you're making the point,

24:35

I only broke from him because

24:37

he personally attacked me, I'm

24:40

gonna make the point that I should have broken

24:42

from him earlier, but I used that

24:44

as a catalyst to break from him. Yes, I

24:46

did. Once he did that, I said,

24:48

this guy is completely batshit crazy.

24:50

I gave him a million dollars of my money to help

24:52

him become president. Hundreds of hours

24:55

of media time. If he's attacking

24:57

me, he could attack anybody. And that's what

24:59

I wrote in the tweet. I said, so right

25:01

now, he's attacking me. And

25:04

someday he'll be attacking you

25:06

because he don't care about anybody. He's he's

25:08

he's he's the narcissist. The narcissist,

25:11

you're an object in his feel the vision. These

25:13

supporters don't understand that about them,

25:15

but he don't care about them, could

25:18

tell us about them. He wants to feed

25:21

the bottomless pit of money

25:23

and attention and fame. That's what he wants

25:25

to do. Yeah. You don't even Mike, he didn't

25:27

even like the job. He hated the job. Wouldn't

25:29

even read the daily brief. He did the

25:32

job. And tomorrow, Mor merchandise,

25:34

we get into being ripped off by Samuel Bankman

25:37

read, and if that or his time spent

25:39

with Trump made the mood to recalibrate

25:41

his personal bullshit detector, Anthony

25:44

scared Mooch again tomorrow.

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And now the spiel, The growing

27:00

sentiment to decriminalized sex work

27:03

has led to a consequence that few in the

27:05

city of San Francisco seem to have anticipated.

27:08

It's that if sex work is no

27:10

longer prosecuted, then

27:12

sex work will no longer be enforceable

27:15

as a matter of law enforcement.

27:18

Because law enforcement will

27:20

no longer be involved in

27:22

regulating sex work. Policeing

27:24

it, if you will. As

27:26

a result, neighborhoods and streets where children

27:29

and families live have become open

27:31

air markets of sex workers parading

27:34

their wares. THE RESIDENTS LIVING

27:36

ON CAPSTREET IN THE MISSION DISTRICT

27:38

TALK TO THE LOCAL FOX AFILIATE.

27:40

VIOLENCE OF THE PIMPS THAT THEY not

27:44

only intimidate the women

27:46

and men handle them

27:48

aggressively, they also sometimes

27:50

intimidate the neighbors. ABC

27:53

also reported, quoting residents who

27:56

didn't know what you tell their children

27:58

as prostitutes were having sex

28:00

on the front steps of their houses and

28:02

their houses were being broken into.

28:05

We have a sanctioned

28:08

red light district on caps street.

28:10

We see women walking down the middle

28:12

of the streets pretty much naked. The

28:16

line of bumper to bumper cars

28:18

all towards three in the

28:20

morning. It looks like the Las Vegas

28:22

Strip fed up with what they say

28:24

is a lack of action by city officials

28:27

in SFPD. Five residents

28:29

agreed to share their stories. They

28:31

fear for their lives and asked to remain

28:33

anonymous. I'm scared. I'm

28:36

scared. OF THE PIMPS.

28:38

THE SENTIMENT WAS SHARED BY MANY

28:40

OF THE ALL ANONOMOUS RESIDENTS

28:43

THAT ABC. TALK

28:44

TO. For now, these residents say

28:46

they're trapped inside their homes until

28:48

something changes. It's like every

28:51

night,

28:51

Pinks and prostitutes come and take our street

28:53

hostage, and neighbors are shut

28:56

in. San Francisco Police Site Bill,

28:58

SP3 fifty seven, is the reason

29:00

they're unable to stop OP THIS FROM GOING

29:02

ON. SPONSWERED BY SAN FRANCISCO

29:04

BASED LEGISLATOR SCOTT WEENER

29:07

AND SIGNED BY GOVERNMENT NEWSOM,

29:09

This bill repealed the provision of California

29:12

law, criminalizing, quote, loitering

29:14

with the intent to engage in prostitution. As

29:17

Weiner's press release says the criminal

29:19

provision arrests for which

29:21

are based on an officer's subjective

29:24

perception of whether a person

29:26

is acting like or looks

29:28

like a sex worker results

29:31

in the disproportionate criminalization

29:34

of trans black and brown women. Maybe,

29:36

but you know who else looks like sex

29:38

workers? Sex workers. Both

29:41

ABC and Fox and

29:43

the San Francisco Chronicle showed images

29:45

of these sex workers and they obviously

29:48

are sex workers now I suppose technically

29:50

they just seem to obviously

29:52

be sex workers. To me, who,

29:54

by the way, might well be

29:56

disproportionately trans or black

29:58

or brown BUT IN ANY CASE THE

30:00

POLICE CANNOT NOW STOP THEM

30:03

FROM LOITERING. SO WHAT THE

30:05

CITY WILL DO IS BARACKADE THIS

30:07

PARTICULAR BLOCK FROM CARS. Which

30:09

will, of course, only push the trade a few

30:11

blocks away. So a new set of residents

30:14

will regret what might be the overall

30:16

laudable goal of legalizing what

30:18

was once called prostitution. And

30:20

it also seems that even as

30:23

we're reconsidering what to think

30:25

of sex work, we haven't

30:27

reconsidered so much of what we

30:29

think of sex buying, an

30:31

activity engaged in by what

30:33

are still called John's. The

30:36

customers are not sent to

30:39

sex consuming school. It's

30:41

literally called John's school and it is

30:43

a condition of criminal sentencing. So

30:45

in San Francisco, it's the Johns

30:48

versus the Karens. Most of

30:50

us, if not all of us, don't really have

30:52

a problem with the sex workers even

30:54

their business itself. It's really

30:57

the fact that this is a residential

30:58

neighborhood. In all actuality, these

31:00

women like the one quoted here. They're just mothers

31:02

and residents who don't want their neighborhood

31:05

to become a red light district. They're not

31:07

Karens. I was just making an hilarious joke,

31:09

but it has a point. That just

31:12

as we're making efforts to destigmatize

31:14

prostitution by not calling it prostitution.

31:17

We still continue to stigmatize. In fact,

31:19

newly stigmatize those with

31:22

concerns by inventing derogatory

31:24

labels for them. Maybe there's permanent

31:26

amount of judgment that any one society

31:28

possesses and it can only be re attributed,

31:30

never lessened in any case. The big

31:33

villain isn't the sex worker.

31:35

It's not even the person on the street who

31:37

doesn't wanna be be set by sex working.

31:40

It's the pimp. And by the way, that

31:42

label is still the pimp, not sex management.

31:44

What effect of the success of the shifting

31:47

of blame and stigma away from pross institutes

31:50

sorry, sex workers. Such that we don't

31:52

even say prostitute. We say sex

31:54

workers, is that more blame

31:56

than ever is laid on the pimp. Or

31:58

the shadowy and possibly imaginary

32:00

apparatus above the pimp. The idea

32:03

of sex trafficking has become

32:05

something of an obsession occupying

32:07

the place of concern that prostitution

32:10

itself used to occupy. So what's

32:12

happened is you see the phrase and the idea

32:14

of sex trafficking everywhere. Often

32:17

untethered to the reality of how

32:19

widespread it really is. It's become

32:22

a QAnon trope. It's become

32:24

a big right wing talk POINT EVEN

32:26

APART FROM Q1 ON. THIS IS SUPER

32:28

BOLWEAK WHEN SEX TRAFFICKING STORIES

32:31

AND SUPPOSED STATISICS ARE RAMPANT

32:33

but impossible to verify. In fact,

32:35

they're not even hard to rebut. What

32:37

I would like is a more methodical approach

32:40

to all of less emphasis on changing

32:42

words and more on thinking out ramifications.

32:45

Advice to the advocates of the world when

32:47

you ask for a reform and it's a

32:49

pretty big form and the reform happens

32:52

and the situation is shocking,

32:54

appalling or just bothers them to

32:57

the citizenry media, other

32:59

elected officials, you've got

33:02

a problem on your hands. And of course,

33:04

you'll always be able to use phrases like

33:06

just growing pains or changes

33:08

hard, but also maybe you should anticipate

33:11

that radical reforms will bring with

33:13

it, radical outcomes. That was

33:15

the point of radical change. But the outcome

33:17

won't always be in the direction of progress

33:19

as you define it. And rather than blame

33:21

moms and homeowners with a distaste

33:24

for being thrust into a pop up outdoor

33:27

brothel have a bit of a plan beforehand.

33:29

Anticipate that this is going to happen,

33:32

and that not everyone is as on

33:34

board as the most dedicated among

33:36

you. Decrementalization is

33:39

almost never and should almost never

33:41

be an end goal. What do you have

33:43

after crime stops becoming

33:46

a crime. Decrementalization just

33:48

means you're not going to be arresting

33:50

people engaged in activity, but that activity

33:53

will continue. In this case, people

33:55

are engaged in a robust, multilayered

33:57

marketplace. Ask yourselves,

33:59

what happens then? You might wanna think out

34:01

the consequences if sex

34:04

workers are as free to work

34:06

their work as any other vendor,

34:08

especially considering the guy who runs the coffee

34:11

cart distribution network where the pretzel

34:13

vendor syndicate doesn't kidnap

34:15

anyone or force any worker into a lifestyle

34:17

they'd never have chosen for themselves. And

34:19

look, Maybe that doesn't happen with

34:21

every or even the vast majority of

34:23

sex workers either, but a disturbing

34:26

number of people are worried about it. Just

34:28

the very fact of widespread worry

34:30

can't be discounted. It's a concern

34:33

and it's part of the reforms that you're advocating

34:36

for. It seems to me, that thinking

34:38

about how the decriminalized market

34:40

will function as every bit as important as

34:42

achieving the decriminalization. In

34:45

fact, you might want to think about that beforehand.

34:47

It's not a problem. You can forever shunt

34:50

a few blocks away. And

34:56

that's it for today's show, and I do wanna tell

34:59

you about the go fund me

35:01

that we've launched for this lovely family,

35:04

the Denushkinas who are

35:06

living with us. We have taken them in

35:08

from Ukraine where they fled

35:10

a war that's now a year in the making.

35:13

And my friend, Eric, gave

35:16

quite generously to the GoFundMe we

35:18

have that you can find on mike pasket dot com.

35:20

He gave, I think, two hundred fifty bucks, and I thanked

35:23

him. I said, thank you for your donation,

35:25

Eric. So nice. And he said, what's nice? Did you

35:27

opening your home to people? Nicely done. And I

35:29

said, well, we have a basement apartment,

35:32

and we were contacted to

35:34

be able to host this family for a Mooch. And

35:36

we thought we could and because we could, we thought we

35:39

should. But what we found out

35:41

and what we didn't realize upon

35:43

saying yes is that most of the

35:45

work is not in the category

35:47

of landlord activity. Most

35:49

of the work is in category of something

35:51

like social work or government liaison.

35:54

And we willingly, my wife and I,

35:56

Michelle, who you know from such credits, is coming

35:58

up. And we put ourselves in this situation,

36:01

and we do so willingly. But what we

36:03

need to do is get the

36:05

Danish Kiena's permanent housing.

36:07

We need to get them to navigate to

36:09

the schools. We need to get them

36:11

on their feet as Sergei

36:13

gets his proper accreditation as

36:16

an electrician. Everyone gets their

36:18

Social Security numbers. The

36:20

two little kids and the wife have one, but

36:22

the guy who actually needs it to work. We're still

36:24

working on getting it for him. So that's why we

36:26

have to go fund me up. I've probably

36:28

gone on too long. Go to my pesca dot

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36:33

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36:38

Joel Patterson. Michelle Peska

36:40

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