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Jill and Man Tonight we got

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a very special guest. Man. He's aware of respected

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individual not only Lost Angeles,

1:25

but throughout the United States and the rest of the world.

1:27

He's the owner of unique records and unique

1:29

entertainment. He's giving us our first

1:32

glimpse of artists such as the late Nipsey Hustler

1:34

Corrupt. He's also a hell of a community

1:36

activist. In his nonprofit, Developing Options,

1:39

conduct several activities for the city's youth,

1:41

and he's pushing the area against gang violence,

1:44

crime, and drug abuse. That's welcome.

1:46

Eugene Henley, also known to the rest

1:48

of the world is Big Youth. What you what's happening

1:50

with you? Man? Man, I'm good. What's

1:53

good?

1:56

What's the word? Man? What we're gonna do about

1:59

this football? Man? Man?

2:01

And man, my, you know what's crazy. Some of my

2:04

my receivers that turned the linement. They're

2:06

gonna have to switch it up and do stuff. And I see

2:08

and my linement that turned to digg lnement.

2:14

Yeah, it's crazy, man. You know you

2:16

we were just talking about the football thing. Man.

2:19

And I got to commend you man on what you're doing

2:21

over there, man for developing with Developing Options.

2:23

Man, and I found that was something just to date,

2:25

man, you developed that after

2:27

you did your prison stint. Man, was that something

2:29

that you thought about when you was inside and nothing

2:32

thinking about you was gonna start changing the community

2:34

around definitely? Um,

2:37

when not what I did with developing nice and I

2:39

already talked about and planning it out when I was

2:41

when I was in there. Oh wow, And

2:44

you've done a lot of stuff with that, man, I know.

2:46

Um, people always table

2:48

tendency to think about the football when they think about

2:51

what people doing their nonpross and everything.

2:53

But you coordinate a whole lot of different services

2:56

for the community. Man, m

2:58

hmm, yeah, we do. We do football,

3:00

we do community, community get back.

3:03

We're currently feeding the elderly every

3:06

week. Um, we

3:08

do a lot of food drives. Like we're real strong

3:10

around Christmas time and trying

3:12

to help everybody have a good Christmas. All done the

3:14

Muslim Montal practice. And but

3:17

I tend to try to want to see you know, people have

3:19

some specially little kids have something that they

3:21

can't have nothing at that time, we focused

3:23

a lot of energy on that. Um.

3:26

But more than anything, man, it's really like you

3:28

know with the Gang of Eventure just being an example

3:30

of of how red, blue and green

3:33

and all can can that marriage together

3:35

and get along. Yeah,

3:37

you've always been a big voice in that. Man.

3:41

What did you think we can do as a society,

3:43

man to just make that better? Man? Just all

3:46

start living as black men. Man.

3:49

It's crazy because we just had

3:51

like in the last nine were

3:53

the last six

3:55

months, Man, we had a bigger spike that

3:58

we didn't had in years, like in in

4:01

in decades. Right with

4:03

with with with the violeus and the violus

4:05

is different because right now it's

4:08

neighborhood on neighborhood. Its neighborhoods

4:10

fighting that didn't never fight each other. And

4:14

I think that comes because

4:16

of the the youth. Like when

4:19

we was younger, we understood and we honor. We had

4:21

a little more respect on how we do it. These

4:23

kids don't have that, you know. And it's

4:25

not that they don't have respect for the

4:28

elders are their homeboys. It's

4:30

just that it's not really no honoring. And I was

4:32

crazy I had to say that, but it's not no honoring mong

4:34

thieves. You never

4:36

thought about taking some boxing gloves to

4:39

the neighborhood and uh

4:41

get them up, man,

4:43

Look that this is the problem

4:45

it's not you know what I mean. These niggas ain't

4:47

fighting. The nigga's gone then from using all these

4:50

different drugs. They ain't none

4:52

of they know they can't fight. It's

4:54

only one or two of the kid. But

4:57

if you look at these kids, these casts, man, these

4:59

cast is this seeing that right?

5:02

You know what I mean? And it's because it was ship

5:04

they put into their system. And you

5:06

gotta remember, man like and

5:08

this this is the real key. When we

5:11

was younger, it wasn't it wasn't fashionable. We

5:13

used in cocaine, tuning and

5:15

and and tuning and smoking and taking

5:17

all appeals. That's what we didn't do. We

5:20

looked we looked at that as

5:22

bullshit. For you to be indulging

5:24

in that lifestyle and want to be a gangster claiming

5:26

the neighborhood. You was looked off. You.

5:29

You were straight up as the clockhead. You feel me,

5:31

the clockhead. Now

5:33

we're living in the air. We're living in

5:35

the air with these dudes is older

5:38

heads and all this ship in this in the state thing,

5:41

you know, and um,

5:44

you get seven eight of them is doing the same

5:46

thing. They got a crew that's a crue, you

5:49

know what I mean. I mean, you know, I'm gonna pull up

5:51

on minds, but it ain't. Dudes

5:54

can't do that everywhere else, right,

5:57

Yeah, exactly, And like you said, the drugs

6:00

big thing because these cats, they're not on y'all you're

6:02

smoking weed, man, They on the lane

6:04

um snort and cocaine. Now, of course,

6:07

like you said, cocaine wasn't fashionable

6:09

when we was coming up. You was like eight said, he was

6:11

a cluck if you was doing that. And it's

6:13

definitely the drugs man. You know, you

6:15

hear a lot more music. You know, back in the

6:17

eighties and nineties it was you

6:19

know, it was frowned down upum man. Not the music

6:22

is condoned and everything, and it's pretty much put out

6:24

there in front of our kids at an alarming rate.

6:26

Well, you know, our music, our music, our

6:29

music promoted promoted using

6:31

marijuana, but we didn't promote

6:34

using cocaine. So we're in that middle. The

6:36

music before us that we grew up on. They

6:39

was talking about heron Angel

6:41

does PCP. They

6:43

was talking about all of that, but

6:46

our music what

6:49

what he was talking about? Pushing it? Yeah,

6:53

what do you what a big you? What do

6:55

you think it leads the kids into that

6:57

role of advocation,

7:00

sipping on Lean now and the motherfucking

7:03

doing all the drugs that they promote with a popular

7:06

music, it's it's it's popular music like

7:08

it's popular music like right now on

7:10

the South zone. So if you remember

7:13

that Lean came from there, right

7:15

that that that Lean and treads, you

7:17

can see we used to dictate

7:20

the culture. To look at the culture Penalton's

7:23

Khaki's five ones golf

7:26

hats. We dictated that for a whole era.

7:29

So but when you look at it now, our

7:33

kids look and sound like they're from the

7:35

South. Yes, real

7:37

ship because Lean and

7:40

and and and taking this and and and and

7:42

justin Lean didn't come from us. That's

7:44

some ship that came from the South. We

7:46

dictated all of that, man, you know what I mean. Yeah,

7:50

it's crazy and it's out of controls. The epidemic

7:52

right now, we're losing a lot of people. It's

7:54

like this opioid epidemic is like the crack

7:56

epidemic was in the eighties. There's a lot of people

7:58

falling off man from that stuff. Man, between them

8:01

pills and that leaning stuff, because it's all

8:03

here when at the end of the day, right,

8:07

you know, it's all here, and at the end of the day, you

8:09

got you gotta you gotta find a way

8:12

to reach the young cats in the neighborhood,

8:15

especially with you Big Year. You got a lot of influence

8:17

over there. So you

8:19

can't pull up. You can pull up and

8:22

and and put them the niggers in the

8:24

huddle and hold a conversation. Most

8:27

of the big homies, these little cats

8:30

don't respect the big homies no more. The

8:32

big homies can't tell them ship because

8:34

they don't want to hear it. They want to get down

8:37

like they get down. Yeah, I

8:39

mean, look at the way they dressed. Now, they're sagging

8:42

way harder than than we came back

8:44

in the days. And that ain't even

8:47

at even like real talk.

8:49

I look at these dudes, man, that don't mean that no more.

8:52

Ye, the way these dudes where they closed don't even it.

8:54

Don't represent like we used to represent. Saggy

8:56

used to need something U sagument

8:58

that you was banging ship. Sagging was like I

9:00

know, if me a horseman. In ninety seventy nine,

9:03

when hip hop first came, we

9:06

couldn't wear a cake. It was all the different

9:08

ways we tried to represent you couldn't

9:10

wear the rags no more. But it took the rags.

9:12

You'll get the writer for the rag. I

9:14

came with the cake cutter. You'll get the Rider

9:16

family cake. If you had a cake cut out to a left pocket,

9:19

right pocket, they write you up for that.

9:22

Then we tried to put studs on our pants

9:24

and put six dozen put studs

9:26

on one side and put up golf hast to the side there

9:28

right, you up for the The only thing they could not write

9:31

us up with for a Horseman middle

9:33

school was if we left for our building home

9:36

on that you know, you know, you say, you

9:40

know, give me the rid. I love my bill.

9:44

Remember we cut our pants up.

9:48

Then they give you a sword

9:50

or they give you a need with thread t sow that

9:52

shut up right there, yeah, right to

9:55

me. I don't know where nobody

9:57

else sag and came from. And that's definitely where

9:59

we got sag It from. Because they couldn't tell

10:01

us nothing. You know what they

10:03

couldn't tell us like we pull your pants and we pull

10:05

our pants that we still you're gonna see them see

10:07

the underwear and see what we gotta. You're gonna see something.

10:10

But so today

10:13

I look at these dudes. Man, you think it's just they

10:17

just show their ass everybody,

10:20

all of them that I honestly

10:23

to make a second hard with shi

10:25

things in their draws. Yeah,

10:29

just during But

10:32

it's it's a shame though. So how

10:34

do you react to those little cats over

10:36

there? Because then look what I'm

10:39

gonna say this man, And you always cheat you home.

10:41

It's always a given a take, you know what I mean. There's

10:44

never nothing perfect. We ain't perfect.

10:46

I ain't perfect. I'm not living a perfect

10:48

life, man, you know what I mean. I'm

10:51

striving forward, bettering everything

10:53

that I do and greatness and everything

10:55

that I do. I know they respect

10:58

me because they

11:00

see where I am

11:02

and they see I'm still right here. I'm still up tainable,

11:04

I'm still touching, but I'm still in the hood. I'm

11:07

still I still live in the hood. I live right on top

11:09

of the hill. I'm still obtainable if

11:11

you want to get somewhere. So it's

11:13

it's like, you know, you you respect the dude

11:16

that's around. You know what I means,

11:18

You expect the dude who who's showing

11:20

you would have grown. Man can do like I'm

11:22

around, but I ain't around like I'm buying property

11:25

over here. Um, I'm

11:27

actually in one of my properties right now

11:29

in my neighborhood. And know that

11:32

I just got about a year ago, and

11:34

I'm just chilling right here. We're gonna start

11:36

building this out and change this out.

11:39

A couple of months. I was waiting for line

11:41

up the line and line for the building. But

11:44

they understand. They're like, okay, you're big

11:46

on me, you know what I mean, He right

11:48

here, first generation, and still

11:52

I give him a couple of them if I have to. But

11:55

they got to respect that, you know what I mean, Like,

11:58

I ain't no need gonna you know, you're need gonna tell me

12:00

he ain't listening to me. And I said

12:02

that because I feel like Nigga,

12:04

I was here first and I ain't never fell on. So

12:08

when I fall off, then you can say you ain't listening

12:10

to me, Nigga, but you ain't gore to come around here, and

12:12

you ain't been around here for ten years. And

12:14

now you've been around here ten years, Nigga, been around

12:16

fifty and now you now,

12:18

I ain't on the block. Ain't gonna tell you how to run the block.

12:21

But I daitily gonna come and say, like, man, look,

12:23

why are we beating with these names? And what'st up with this?

12:25

You know, I'm gonna definitely say that, I'm

12:28

gonna definitely get it, you know. I mean, I feel

12:30

like a lot of g niggas. I

12:33

don't want to have to go through that. And I can respect

12:35

that, but it's necessary

12:38

for somebody to be there a common fortunate.

12:40

I mean, when we was younger man coming up and

12:43

we was going to get in the tour with other dudes

12:45

that we got along with the homies and be like, man, hold

12:47

on, man, y'all slow up right, you

12:49

know what I mean. Don't don't go over there tripping on them

12:51

niggas. We've been get along to the niggas for years, man, don't.

12:54

And that's always right.

12:57

Well, you don't have a plan like that in the neighborhood

13:00

no more. And you know, like

13:02

the ship isn't going on in company right now. These

13:05

cast is dropping like flies, just killing

13:07

each other for nothing. And you

13:10

know, I believe

13:12

you can never You ain't gonna never be able to stop

13:15

gang banking. That ship is just there.

13:18

But you gotta find a way to fix

13:21

how the ship is going right now. And

13:23

and and nobody got a solution

13:25

for that. You know what I'm saying, Because

13:28

I got a solution for it. What's

13:30

that we gotta get involved. That's for

13:32

real, bro, I'm gonna tell you like

13:34

this real talk. It's

13:37

more niggas is not doing the bullshit,

13:40

then it is niggas is doing the bullshit on

13:43

any given time on the streets. That's

13:46

the fact, because if a nigger is

13:48

doing the bullshit, he's

13:50

evasically gonna get locked up. So

13:53

at any given time there

13:56

are more niggas from every set that's

13:58

not on the bullshit it on the streets

14:01

just free. Then the niggas just is you

14:03

got gang bangers and got gang members.

14:06

Yep, you got you got some some cash,

14:08

more into the game

14:10

banging ship than the other ones. Is some

14:13

niggas ain't gonna getting no car and go, you know, drive

14:15

by. You know what I'm saying, They just

14:17

ain't gonna do it. And then you got

14:19

the hit us. You know what I'm saying, Them

14:21

the ones you gotta talk to. But them

14:23

the ones that don't want to listen. But every

14:26

neighborhood only got about keeping one

14:28

hunting. Every neighborhood got too three clicks of the

14:30

kid as it depends on beating the neighborhood is

14:33

and then you know what I'm saying, you only

14:35

get you. It ain't every neighborhood

14:37

ain't clicked on where everybody's going. Now

14:40

something can happen to you

14:42

can hit the right nigga in

14:44

a certain neighborhood and now everybody's

14:46

gathernized and going, and

14:49

then that's the last for a period. But

14:51

just on a regular basis, it's

14:54

not you know, every nigga

14:56

that is going, so to keep it one hunted with

14:59

everything everybody, it

15:02

could be changed. It ain't over because

15:05

and the reason why I really why I would never say

15:07

it's over and it's not doable, is

15:09

because we did it in the Pan, did

15:12

in the Pan for years, doing it in there.

15:14

They're still doing it in there. You gotta watch

15:16

each other. But when you come

15:18

home, it's right back to the same thing. If

15:21

if if brothers brought that home, that

15:23

same mentality home with him. No, they're

15:25

just saying, how we're getting down. We ain't get we gotta

15:27

look out for each other. But how

15:30

how do we change that? Those mentality

15:33

from the niggas who come home and want to be

15:35

on that But the niggas who still stuck on.

15:37

Like you said, how do we change nigga's

15:40

motherfucking mind. Well, you gotta

15:42

look at it like this eight gangbanging

15:45

has has has took a turn for the worst.

15:48

You got you got gang bangers with

15:52

gang bangers like on some

15:54

faulty ship. You've got guys

15:57

that's dying their hair and when

16:00

ends with twelve zippers you got.

16:03

I mean, it's just so fucking different.

16:06

Why gang bang? If this is the look

16:09

and this is the way. You know what

16:11

I'm saying, you got you and

16:13

and I don't want to bring it up, but you

16:15

got cats. I don't know if they're

16:17

coming from prison with this motherfucking attitude

16:20

or mentality or you know, messing

16:23

with boys. You

16:25

know what I'm saying. That's not everyday

16:29

thing in the neighborhood. You

16:31

know what I'm saying. So and

16:33

and a lot of these cats is getting locked

16:36

up on g P ship, you

16:39

know what I'm saying. And they just don't have nobody

16:41

to guide them the right way, you know what

16:43

I'm saying. And and everybody out

16:45

there, the majority of think that

16:48

you have to do a drive by to be solidified

16:51

in the hood. That's not what

16:53

it is. You have to

16:55

put in work. No, no, everybody

16:57

ain't built for that. The

17:00

answer is really in us, bro, Yeah,

17:03

it really can't. And and it's crazy

17:05

because I hear dudes talking all

17:07

the time like we're trying to get a program

17:10

to go into the county jail, right to

17:14

try to address the phase. You

17:16

gotta go in and get three phase and all this

17:18

and all that. Then these things just getting these

17:20

phase coming out and feeling like,

17:23

you know, it didn't go their way or they're

17:25

feeling feeling some kind of way about it. So

17:27

we're trying to create a program to help that.

17:30

That was that way in my mind, and my mind. It

17:32

called me and asked me what was one way

17:35

I felt we can affect change in

17:37

South Central and the fact and I said that stop

17:40

the phase, go into the county

17:42

jail. Stop these nigs from comedy and get

17:44

beat up. Dudes, get beat up who don't know

17:47

they ain't even really from thehood. They just grew

17:49

up and they asked him to tell them over the wrong place where

17:52

they grew up. Now you gotta get a phade, three

17:54

phades. You gotta get beat up. You might

17:56

get stabbed if you win too many fights. You

17:58

can't win because you're in you're in a

18:00

bad situation. So if you win, you

18:03

know you're gonna get your ass kicked. When

18:05

they're doing that, that boxing program and

18:07

and focusing on solid Dad, then

18:10

they have a boxing program like that. Now

18:13

that ain't the boxing program. When you come to the county

18:15

jail right now, if you from certain

18:17

neighborhoods, you're gonna get some phades.

18:20

And ain't

18:22

no boxing program

18:25

we got, yeah, yeah,

18:28

they got to non affiliate, non affiliate

18:30

fights. But what so this

18:32

is just something. This is another program then I'm getting

18:34

involved in to help go

18:37

address those things just happening

18:40

within the county jail, you

18:42

know what I mean. And so we're trying

18:44

to put something together to get to

18:46

get inside there, to to

18:49

to you know, affect changing there. Then

18:52

they're about affecting change out here, because

18:55

on the west side of l A when Nikkas come home,

18:58

you know, from Inglewood all

19:00

the way to the east side. If

19:03

you didn't, if you didn't, you you affiliated

19:05

with neighborhood or the neighborhood cord

19:07

against the cards on and

19:10

and and and

19:13

you're gonna get touched. All right, let's

19:15

take a quick commercial break. We'll be

19:17

back still. James

19:20

eight. Y'all neggas better give me my fire,

19:23

Donald, I put that on set. I need

19:25

to go give me some Wateramera, my

19:27

motherfucking feet, fucking with me, gangster

19:30

chronicles of my ass pay granted

19:32

her money, just gangster granny.

19:34

Y'all know me where you are dealing

19:38

with, dealing with the music and

19:41

ship and where we come from

19:43

and ship like that. Do you

19:45

feel like how you feel when niggas

19:48

say, um, the music that

19:50

we put out in our time or

19:52

whatever. Do you feel you're responsible

19:54

for what you are

19:57

participating in or the music they

19:59

pushed it? Do you feel responsible because

20:01

of what you went through and what you pushed

20:03

as far as you know, with nipsy

20:05

or with corrupt. I'll

20:08

be honest with you, man, I feel more responsible

20:10

for the game the music, Yeah,

20:12

but I feel more responsible for just

20:15

the game app attack, like the affiliation.

20:18

I feel that bothers me more

20:20

than than than than the music. Just my

20:23

involvement in in

20:25

gang life as a whole

20:29

is more what makes me not

20:31

sleep, what makes me trying to continue

20:34

to do what I'm doing and to get to heaven. It there's

20:36

a there's a heaven and yamicky, y'am I want

20:38

to go. So I don't. I don't

20:40

pretty much tend

20:42

to like saying

20:44

music, although I feel like, like

20:47

I said earlier today, music

20:49

there's a great responsibility

20:52

for violence along

20:54

with the film, because see, the music is

20:57

the tender box of the mind,

20:59

that is you a vision of

21:03

violence, but the actual

21:05

cinema photography

21:08

gives you the actual picture

21:11

of death. I could talk about

21:13

in the song uh rolling

21:16

down, killing and doing with all this ship,

21:19

but but leath the weapon.

21:22

The movie um

21:25

um fucking King of New York had

21:27

more of a daunking effect on me

21:31

than any rep Zone because

21:33

when I've seen dude and lethal weapon working

21:35

them nine millimeters at seventeen

21:38

eighteen nineteen Harbor, I was when

21:40

I seen uh,

21:43

Laura's Fishburne and King of New York

21:45

working to nine millimeters, I'm

21:47

like she and we was already

21:49

in the streets. But before that, we

21:52

had already all seen guy fire, We

21:55

had already seen how they deal. We had

21:57

already grew up on Clint Eastwood. So

21:59

these is the pictures. Well

22:01

we came with was just the rap

22:04

music. So niggas was killing well

22:06

before rap music got to here

22:09

right so

22:11

true? You know you while

22:14

we're on music right now, what

22:16

makes you? Because you have unique records

22:19

and unique entertainment, when did

22:21

you kick the music? But I

22:24

was I was just like every last one of us on this

22:26

phone. Man. They had to see the choir. They

22:30

had a drums. Everyone us had a drum

22:32

set. Yeah you know,

22:34

I'm saying we all had. We all had something

22:36

that we picked though. That did it. We all sun with the

22:38

homies before we got four, before we

22:41

was four, or full game before we

22:43

was til we all thought we was gonna

22:45

be like the tempt tasos did

22:49

that, and

22:53

we did, then we'd be walking thanking you. I

22:57

was old of us, you know, I tell people

22:59

on time, man, we all grew up the same. Man. We

23:02

were children of the South who moved to her

23:04

parents moved to the West to find something

23:06

better, and uh so

23:09

we all grew up exactly the same. I'm

23:11

not the nigger who think I grew up different than nobody

23:13

else. I'm just I'm I'm the guy

23:16

who feels like everything

23:18

I did, we all did it. And

23:22

then we all plucked at different opportunities

23:25

to slow different thoughts down and made

23:27

them things manifest in

23:30

a different way. I think only one thing

23:32

that separated me from

23:34

everybody else was martial arts. I think

23:36

that's that's it, and that's where it starts

23:39

and it stops because martial arts

23:41

and studying fighting and martial arts, it

23:44

gave me a different swag and a different confidence

23:46

when I was around people. But

23:49

other than that,

23:51

that's exactly where it stops. Like who

23:54

anybody can pick up a gun, anybody

23:57

can go to jail, and don't tell anybody

23:59

can go fight and do this anybody. I mean,

24:01

you know, that's the only

24:03

thing that's separated me. And because I think

24:05

because of that confidence it

24:08

gave me and my crew, because all

24:10

of us knew it, and all of

24:12

us was on the a G which was in the sixties,

24:16

and we all knew how to fight. We all

24:18

like, I'm a black belt and my cousins

24:20

was all built it up. We all went

24:22

to go fight. We trained, we we we we

24:25

If you got a trouble, you gotta trumble to critischool.

24:27

So you have six niggas who

24:29

are all first cousins who came run who

24:32

all even if it were three of us and we were in

24:34

the room with twenty niggas were feeling like U

24:38

yeah, I mean, so that

24:41

gave us a different swag, and that gave a roll the sixties

24:43

a different swag when we went places

24:46

and people made us roll the sixties

24:48

or we was aligned with that, so we're like, okay,

24:50

what we're doing and we

24:53

you know what I mean. So that was the I

24:55

feel like that's the only difference. And

24:58

opportunities. I didn't have a lot

25:00

of opportunities. Man. We came up hustling like everybody

25:03

else, and we was on the West side, so we

25:05

kind of took our opportunities, right.

25:09

Yeah. So at what point

25:11

did you say, you know what, man, I got

25:13

some little homies over here, this rapp and everything. I'm

25:15

gonna start unique records. Who was your first

25:17

artist? Papa

25:20

l Q n

25:25

right there man, nineteen

25:27

eighty nine. To tell you, look, I don't

25:29

even I

25:31

didn't get him. He got me. Papi

25:34

Q signed me. Let me tell you I

25:36

came on nine eighty nine and

25:39

ninetiest and and and and hate to tell

25:41

you when when Papa l Q had that hit

25:43

song the B Side, I

25:46

ran into him in the Fox Hill More. I

25:49

was in the Fox Tea mall he walked into me. Just got

25:51

a motherfucker. He got a flat top and

25:54

he walked into me. Say, I

25:56

was with a couple of the homies. You know, we've mobbed

25:58

in the Foxy Maro thatime like, welcome to me

26:01

through all the squad. He're like, what's up

26:03

so you And I'm like, what's up? I mean like you

26:06

you used to work for my pops. And I'm like, that's

26:08

the word for your pops, Like, man, hain't the work for

26:10

nobody. Ben was saving but I'm looking at

26:12

that and he only could have only been seventeen,

26:15

sixteen eighteen, and he said, yeah,

26:17

man, used to work for my pops. And see what's your post

26:19

name? He said, Mr Green? I

26:22

said, O G. Green? He said, I said, oh, yeah, I

26:24

doesn't work for your pop. But

26:26

anyway, nevertheless, man, your post is

26:28

how are you doing? Because his father just got locked

26:30

up and he knew

26:32

I had a bag, so he came

26:34

to me in eighty nine, eighty

26:37

nine ninety. It was like, I want you to start

26:39

managing me once you start halping with my music.

26:42

I had no clue about

26:44

music, didn't give

26:46

a damn about music. I was in the morning, I was getting

26:48

the bag out of Minnesota, and

26:51

you know, so he started actually he

26:53

come to my house, him and Mike tyson

26:55

nephew, and now he asked

26:57

me every time he's doing the video of going to the videos

26:59

with learned a little bit more about the video. I'm

27:02

showing up at shows with him going to shows.

27:04

So I started getting it to it and

27:06

then my Broomfield came shortly

27:09

after that. It was like, Bro

27:12

funk with me on the on the homie Corrupt, and

27:15

I'm like, all right, but

27:18

I was I'd already be going in out of town messing

27:20

with the Quan, and the Quan

27:22

was on another level at that time.

27:25

He was he was flying high. So then

27:27

I'm like, okay, I'm gonna mess with Corrupt. And

27:29

that's when I started dealing with Corrupt. And

27:32

we was in the process of getting the paperwork together,

27:34

doing everything, and I left. I

27:36

got I got kidnapped, and I was gone for thirty

27:38

years. But because of me and Corrupt, small relationship

27:43

it it stayed with it with Corrupt,

27:46

and and Corrupt didn't even have to shout

27:48

me out. Bro. He didn't owe me nothing. I

27:50

hadn't gave no money one thing I did

27:52

a corrup I call grew up in the car with the little homies

27:54

and they are about to go get cracked. And

27:57

I told him, I said, man, ain't you the rapper because

28:00

you know, you know you can't come how Let mean, I was on my ignor

28:02

ship halfway on and off and

28:04

I'm like, ain't you the rapper? Me like yeah, messie, me get

28:06

your ass out of the car, bro And

28:08

I snatched him out the car. I

28:10

told him to go back around there and get your wrapping on what

28:12

you posted be doing. If you want to help

28:14

these niggas when you're making, you bring these niggas with you.

28:17

And he kissed that stuck with it. So

28:20

when I finally failed, I'm

28:23

on the yard and niggas

28:25

just coming up to me to my man, you

28:28

know what I need to corrupt. And I'm like the

28:30

little young rapper like, man, the nigga got you in the

28:32

stone. The nigga wo. And I'm like then

28:35

next, I mean, I'm I'm on the

28:37

yard level four yard.

28:40

I get some pictures one day, No,

28:42

I got an envelope and

28:45

the envelope had just somebody has sent

28:47

me three thousand dollars on you

28:50

know how they tagged me back. Then they put on the envelope

28:52

and you don't get that you you don't get the pictures

28:54

on the letter or none of that. So I had to wait

28:57

for the picture of the letter. It just sent me the thing. Let

28:59

me know I could make wrong. I'm like, damn

29:01

sorry, But we was on lockdown, so I couldn't even call

29:03

wifey and asked her, you know what what? Who

29:06

was that? Then the letter came

29:08

and another envelope came and

29:11

it was pictures from him and

29:14

and it was it was on then,

29:16

man. But he didn't even have to come back and shout

29:18

me out of no way because before I

29:20

had left me Harryo

29:25

and I hadn't met Area yet, but we was

29:27

talking from from them and Jil. They was

29:29

trying to sign the kron pop

29:33

l Q and that's when I failed. So

29:35

I was just really getting into it. So I

29:37

was really in it before I

29:39

left. Oh wow,

29:41

Man, and you've been you know, a lot,

29:44

did a lot of powerful stuffs. We all know what

29:46

happened with corrupt Man. And you

29:48

also been dibbling Devil in the movies man

29:50

for the last few years too. Yeah, I don't

29:52

know if a lot of people know you don't hate your hands and a

29:54

whole lot of stuff. Yeah, I'm

29:56

not getting all this ship. Look you, huh,

30:00

how do you getting all this ship? Every time I turn

30:02

around, I see, man, you got this cracking?

30:04

Got that cracking? What's

30:06

the secret? Bro? Sleep? No sleep?

30:09

I looked for the opportunity. I study and I make

30:11

sure they ain't gonna backfire, you know.

30:13

I'm like, yo, man, I'm like, I can tell you, man,

30:15

I promise you like eight eight. I

30:18

know, eight end the day with all kind of ship. And

30:20

sometimes you gotta look through that ship and see what's

30:23

really right and what's not right, you know. And and

30:25

I looked at it like that. Then I try

30:28

to stay true to my name. And

30:30

that hurts me a lot, because

30:32

you know, it hurts me being big you. And

30:35

then it helps me being big

30:37

you. But you know it

30:40

when I said when I said, it hurts me. It hurts

30:42

me because most people

30:45

don't want me to be don't don't even realize I

30:47

can read and right like most niggers want

30:49

me to be just oh, big you. He

30:51

gonna do this, he gonna take that, he's gonna do

30:53

I'm not taking nothing, but what's mine

30:56

I'm not going through no door, and I'm not supposed

30:58

to go through. But when I am gonna do

31:00

was hold a man to his word, to a

31:02

t if you if it's supposed

31:05

to be right, didn't

31:07

let that be right? Then? I just

31:09

I called lead forward. Before

31:13

we started this showing, I was talking to

31:15

him and I was telling him, Yeah, we're about

31:17

to uh do a zoom with big you. He

31:20

oh yeah, that's my dog man. He good, he could he You

31:22

will see the difference when you watch, because all

31:25

I heard about big Ers or

31:27

big you as a bully, but you take ship

31:30

and I've seen you on black once

31:32

before. He told me, don't even mention

31:34

it. But I gotta ask you.

31:38

You had said there

31:40

wouldn't be a death road if I

31:42

was out with Should, And

31:44

I'm like, I gotta ask you, what do you mean by that?

31:47

Because from my knowledge, you and Should

31:49

was working with each other. Yeah,

31:51

but not before I went to prison. When

31:55

you go to I went to prison of nineteen

31:58

Okay, that was I was right at the

32:01

beginning, Yeah, I was. I went to prison

32:03

of ninety one. So you were

32:05

with him before that? No, not at

32:07

all. You gotta remember, man, you gotta remember

32:10

you gotta remember my mentality was was

32:12

was was one of sorts, you

32:14

know, like one, he

32:16

wouldn't have had corrupt, He

32:20

wouldn't have never had corrupt, so he wouldn't

32:22

have had a connection to us on the West

32:24

side. Two, You wasn't

32:27

You wasn't gonna run through l A in

32:29

Hollywood and all those parts where I

32:32

was and where we was running

32:34

the Compton part Router, That's

32:37

what I mean. And I mean and

32:40

and and because we were strong.

32:42

I was very strong with that time when

32:44

I left, and you know what I mean.

32:47

And and unless we had

32:49

an understanding, but

32:53

and like me, I said it to you me and still

32:55

used to talk about it, you know what

32:57

I mean, Because you couldn't have came

32:59

out here at that time doing that from our

33:01

tick, you know what I mean.

33:04

That's just realistically, It's

33:06

like when no, l A needn't

33:08

come to the the comfident bouncing up and down Compton

33:11

Avenue and doing all that. He was

33:13

gonna have confident, bloods, competent crypt Compton

33:15

everybody like. It wasn't

33:17

a lot of niggas coming from there coming to l A

33:19

doing that either. It

33:21

just wasn't. I'm sorry, So

33:24

it was basically respect the territory.

33:27

You ain't Benna coming just disrupt

33:30

the our spot like

33:32

like you think you own the ship. The

33:35

things I heard would have made

33:38

me focus on him

33:41

and the person I was come.

33:53

That's for the guy. I just I

33:55

just wanted to know from your

33:57

point of view, because you didn't go into details

33:59

with with black and and my

34:01

whole thing was like that

34:04

would have been you know, niggas

34:06

would have had to accept the confrontation. And

34:09

that's what you're looking for when you're out there game

34:11

banging like that. That kind of you

34:13

gotta understand, bro, I was on the whole another

34:15

level. I wasn't.

34:18

It wasn't even though when the I was,

34:22

you know, it was it was. It was. We

34:25

probably could have been way. It probably could have been

34:27

what he was. And I came home, you know what I mean, You never

34:29

know, you just because

34:32

y'all wound up being actually really young,

34:35

real tight, didn't y'all he wounded up looking out for

34:38

you and everything like that? Yeah, definitely, Like

34:40

no, no, we wound up and I love him like a brother,

34:42

you know what I mean, Like he looked out for

34:44

you better than he looked out for the wounds that

34:47

was that was that funny ship I

34:49

was and I think I think

34:52

I think people think he looked out for me more

34:54

than he did. Because he looked

34:56

out I didn't want a lot of ship. Like

34:59

the reason why I'm not filthy risk to this day

35:01

is because I don't want to be advocated to me. So

35:03

I didn't get looked out for like niggas

35:05

thought I was, and in it's hard for

35:07

me to go chase That the first money

35:09

I ever got when I got home, more

35:12

than thirty thousand dollars. I

35:16

got it from from Games.

35:20

M hm. I never got

35:22

nothing more than

35:24

that from my brother, but

35:27

when he helped me with a case, you

35:30

know what I'm saying, and I was and that was more

35:32

than that. So I didn't get no money

35:35

to go make it in the world from

35:37

him. I never got a dime from me because

35:39

I didn't want it. I

35:42

got money from

35:44

Games three one we

35:47

want those shoe deals. That

35:49

was the most money I got almost

35:53

at one time in music living to this day,

35:57

right, I never got nothing more

36:00

in that from anybody in this industry.

36:02

Then I got from the Games and

36:05

a lot of people don't know that, you know what I'm

36:07

saying, I made like round about three hundred

36:09

with that deal with games. You

36:12

know what I'm saying. And that hit me at

36:14

the time that people thought

36:17

I was signing because of my because

36:20

it should I wasn't. I was signing,

36:23

you know. No, Now let me take that. I don't want to. He

36:25

definitely helped me, but to

36:29

be able to move and do other things I wanted

36:31

to do and help get nuts nuts

36:34

out there saying and stand up a

36:36

little bit and breathe a little bit and be able to say

36:38

now no to the world. I know,

36:40

I don't want to do this now, I don't want to do that. Now I'm

36:42

gonna do this. That was gay. That

36:44

was a game shoot deal. M

36:47

hmm. So he had

36:49

looked out for you. Uh, let's check in

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with our sponsors. Where

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are you at? This is og Gangster

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Grinny and the Gainst Chronicles

36:59

podcast is back in effing

37:01

getting ready for some of that g ship

37:04

and blaze up some wannam. I

37:08

saw something, man, I'm real excited about,

37:10

man, M that you got involved with. First,

37:12

I'll tell you about about the hip hop and coverage thing.

37:14

I think it comes out. Does that come out

37:16

this month? Yea on the month

37:20

and that was big man, and

37:22

I was that The reason I like this

37:24

man is because guys like

37:26

you, Trick Trick, I think

37:29

they get misunderstood man, because y'arell

37:31

all good dude, you know what I'm saying. Like my

37:33

talk to people, you're all almost like mythical figures.

37:35

But I think it was important for them to talk about

37:38

you guys, because a lot of the stuff that's shaking the

37:40

music wouldn't be shaking if it wasn't

37:42

for y'all. How did you get involved in that project?

37:46

Again? A Pyreu out

37:48

of Compton can't

37:50

tell me, Jimmy Cris what the idea

37:53

to do a management show? And

37:55

it's round about the same time that we're always

37:57

trying to pitch shows and everybody

37:59

was trying to come up with something the next love

38:02

and hip hop and we were all

38:04

trying to like shooting and with dudes

38:06

is just starting to do podcast and it was just

38:08

all trying to figure out. Look, it's trying to get behind his camera

38:11

and not just Mike. So he

38:13

came to me because like I said, this thing started four

38:16

years ago. We actually started on this four years

38:18

ago. He came to me, asked

38:20

me to shoot the pilot, and I

38:22

had owed him because I

38:24

had shot some stuff when I was trying

38:26

to do a game show in his

38:29

neighborhood and he

38:31

ain't let me shoot over there, and

38:33

I'm going away. I did the three times and did

38:35

damn. I did all the and Jimmy

38:37

Chris actually a kid,

38:40

jim Bob. He came to me. So I did

38:42

it, and Ky returned the favorite to

38:44

him, and and when

38:46

I did it, I was like, look, I'm

38:48

gonna do it, but I needed to look a certain way along

38:51

with the message. You're trying to tell this the message I want

38:53

to tell, and I'll help you do it. So we

38:55

shot the pilot and went out there with

38:58

a bunch of different places. We got a bunch of old

39:00

you gotta change this, and came back

39:02

and reached out again and it was me. It

39:04

was really just me. And then people was like, man, we don't

39:06

we don't know who he is. So the people

39:08

that run hirep hop right now, the white people was like,

39:10

well, I no idea was big, like

39:12

who is he? Like what has he done? And

39:15

something happened on the internet or something that people started

39:17

talking about my money. I don't know what it was. And then they like

39:20

some of the executives quote

39:22

it and then they called back, was like, oh

39:25

y'all have a party? Was that's the guy? And then they went

39:27

on and did it. So we came. So

39:29

we came to the table and we was in negotiations

39:33

and we signed or deal with

39:35

them for for

39:39

a lesser deal than I would have wanted to take

39:41

three weeks before Nissey died. When

39:44

when Nissey died, when Nissy

39:47

died, we was already locked in the deal

39:50

and I was like, probably quadruple

39:53

or whatever it inst got going on to

39:56

keep it one hunted. And I mean not to not

39:58

to say it like that, but if this,

40:00

if I hadn't sign the deal before

40:03

before a little bro died, out

40:05

of hit him for a bag. But I

40:08

mean, it's just like life was were signed

40:10

that deal. I swear to good disgraction. I had signed

40:13

the three weeks me and Nip was talking about it because Nip

40:15

wanted to do the documentary or Big You, and

40:17

it was like, got the people, I'm gonna line it

40:19

up. Bro, I'm sitting down with the Blessing Company.

40:22

I'm gonna introduce Big You. And

40:24

and that's why when you see us in the studio or some

40:26

of it. You see me

40:28

and him in the studio. We're talking about that. We had leaked

40:30

up and we was rolling like you know, right before

40:32

he passed. Man, it was the weird thing,

40:35

is like, right before

40:37

he passed, it

40:39

was almost like he was in a different

40:41

place with with

40:43

with with with life and and his his philosophy.

40:45

He was he calling me every morning, I'm

40:48

for the road out on you and he come picked me up,

40:51

you know what I mean. And he was just like, man, yeah, we're gonna

40:53

do this. We should have do it like Top Dog and kids

40:56

tomorrow bringing you back. And I'm like, man, I

40:58

ain't coming back to manage you man, And

41:00

he's like you got to And I'm like, what about

41:02

my old contract? He said, you still got the contract.

41:05

You will be big you who will tell you

41:07

that? And

41:12

then it was um. So

41:14

that's really how we got on the show. That's how the

41:16

show started from Jimmy Chris. He came

41:19

to me, I shot the pilot. Then

41:21

I got involved. I said I got to be on the execta

41:23

side and I gotta make it look a certain

41:25

way. And it ended up being a

41:27

hell of phenomenal project. It started

41:29

off as a one episode and

41:32

we're just gonna break all five people down, and

41:35

um we

41:37

end up luckily getting a really intelligent

41:40

and involved team. And it's what

41:42

you've seen now. Have y'all seen it any episodes?

41:44

I haven't seen this ship, but I'm going to go chap into

41:46

it, like as soon as we get done with this. We're

41:49

doing it because I saw something the better and I said,

41:51

when is this coming on? But then you know, you get caught up

41:53

from life and everything like that, I'm

41:55

saying, well, this is this is a y'all already.

41:58

No, it's not out. It looks episode

42:02

Our episode is episode one, West

42:04

Coast episode is three and six

42:07

Episode three is. To me, it's

42:10

like the representation that when when

42:12

y'all come in, when eight them come in, when Snoop

42:15

come in, when the West Coast, because it's the East Coast

42:17

version and you see

42:20

that East Coast influence. And then so

42:23

the first question on it is where

42:25

was you at a nineteen seventy nine? So

42:28

imagine that being the question where

42:31

were you in nineteen seventy nine? All of us can

42:33

ask for that. Yeah, I was

42:36

a horseman middle school and

42:38

in nineteen seventy nine, when Rappers Delight

42:40

hit, we was all trying

42:42

to go back home

42:45

learn that song come Back, and it was the first rap

42:47

song we had ever heard. But

42:50

also in nineteen seventy nine,

42:52

for me and Horseman, middle

42:54

school was the start of the war between

42:58

the Crypts and the crypts. So

43:01

when hip hop hit us gang

43:04

banging like we didn't like,

43:06

we was fin about to meet was

43:09

coming. The Crypts

43:11

started fighting the Crypts and the

43:13

death told in l A went crazy

43:16

and we started seeing the honesty had never

43:18

seen and that came with hip hop. And

43:21

then crack went with hip hop. When

43:23

when when? When crack grew, it

43:26

went across the country, and hip hop went

43:28

with it around the country,

43:31

and West Coast hip hop went

43:33

with crack around the country, West

43:36

Coast policing paramilitary

43:39

police, and Style with Darrel Gates

43:41

went across the country. We

43:44

then became the epicenter of what hip

43:46

hop looked like for the next fifteen years. Right,

43:50

that's some real ship man, right, And

43:53

it was it was crazy about everything.

43:55

Man is um I laughed

43:57

when I hear about people, because you, like I said, for

44:00

you're almost like a mythical figure. So

44:02

when I'm talking to some of the cats back east

44:04

and down so and they admission your

44:06

name. He always asked me, man, what's

44:08

up with Big You? When I'm saying, man, big you was a cool

44:10

nigger, probably over their coaches some kids. That was some football

44:13

and talking some ship. Because

44:15

he's been avoiding my faith. He's been avoiding

44:17

the faith with the all money coach still for

44:20

a long time. And I love him.

44:22

You let me,

44:26

let me go only get stealers credit. Man still have

44:28

probably beat me for sure. And that's

44:30

because it is I cannot

44:32

recruit kids and still can recruit because

44:35

I live in recruit.

44:39

I live in the sixties. I'm from the sixties.

44:41

It's just people not gonna let their kids play for

44:43

me. Chris Yaws

44:45

can always have a stick, but

44:48

let's say this, You're gonna have

44:51

at least six of mins on your

44:53

team to play against me. So

44:57

that don't work. So I mean, no matter how much

44:59

work we do in our community, y'all still

45:01

come filter and filter impel our

45:04

community. We

45:06

go. Some of my

45:08

hardest kids come from over there. But what

45:11

if I was able to keep my kids and

45:13

they because most of these parents, they don't know me,

45:15

so they think I'm sitting around telling kids get the

45:17

blue rag picked up you

45:19

got. So this is really how any any

45:22

coach can't get the kid not to come

45:24

to me all these he gonna have your game back.

45:28

And I and I fight this every day. You

45:31

know, I fighted every single day.

45:33

And I mean it's unfair. I can stand

45:36

down and cry about it, but you know what I do.

45:38

I'm just gonna coach with I'm gonna coach will come.

45:41

You know. One thing I want to say, man and wind

45:44

go hold you no long time because I know you're a

45:46

busy dude and we appreciate you coming on.

45:48

One thing I will say is I'll

45:50

pulled up for you over there and that felt

45:53

nothing but loved on. Got the most free

45:55

hot dogs I've ever gotten. It's been a wonderful

45:57

environment. And so I want to say that to say

46:00

this man. We can't believe everything about our

46:02

black people. Man, and we see online or

46:04

some stuff, because it's always deeper

46:06

than what you knew. You do a lot of

46:08

incredible stuff for them kids over there. I saw

46:11

one time that you was on getting

46:13

the little young sisters they prom dresses

46:15

and stuff, and a little boys they suits and stuff. Yeah,

46:17

that was a two years ago and feel like

46:19

you you you you just got to getting all the

46:21

kids shoes and you get hook up with all the niggers

46:24

and get the kids shoes and all that type of ship.

46:26

Man, there's a lot people perceive, you

46:28

know, your reputation from what it

46:31

was then what you do now because people don't

46:33

want to look beyond. But that's

46:35

what people have to be able to do. They

46:37

have to be able to just like with you, James, the

46:39

same ship. You hear your fucking name

46:42

and people be like they think the same fucking

46:44

affiliation. They don't know. I

46:47

mentioned the suits and the shoes

46:49

and all that. So if you ever need a donation,

46:52

let me know. The only person I

46:54

go through now is uh, You're none.

46:57

You know. She got severa angels over there,

47:00

and I took a

47:02

gang of ship answer turkeys. Uh,

47:06

I bought a gang of ship for backpacks

47:08

and all that ship show. Anything

47:10

I can do to help with kids and

47:13

homeless people, you can come

47:15

me in. I drop it off anyway.

47:19

So yes, I know what, especially

47:21

with the stuff my son doing out. You

47:24

got always talked to Chris about him having to give

47:26

back the community, right, I say, man, you know you

47:28

go ahead and bus to check down. I said,

47:30

who you want to help? He said, Pops, you know I'll be checking

47:32

out. You know, he called you

47:35

Coke Hempley. You know, the kids

47:37

know he was coaching. And I'm saying, he said, I want to go over and help

47:39

coach Henley. And then because you do it, cause

47:41

y'all look out for them kids over there. Sc man.

47:43

Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. M hmm,

47:46

because you know my son was at a gas station

47:48

he should have been at one night and he said, Man, I

47:50

know your pops, you know, take your ass.

47:52

What is you doing over and take your ass back over the campus?

47:55

You know? But man, I got

47:57

one more question. I got two more questions to

47:59

ask. What's up with the checking

48:01

the in podcast? Man? Oh

48:04

man? So really,

48:06

um, I just really just put it together

48:08

with the idea we'll figure out we're doing. And um

48:11

the name came out. It's

48:14

uh, the name is udid.

48:17

So it's like, I want the

48:19

podcast to talk about the streets.

48:21

I mean, look, it's exactly what

48:24

y'all do. I looked at what y'all was doing, and

48:27

when you was telling me about it, I didn't really want to do what I want

48:29

to get a mite. And I figured a lot of people are telling

48:31

men they don't wanna hear what you got to say. And

48:33

they talked me into doing and I stand down and I did a

48:35

couple of pilots, and I'm like, man,

48:37

I think I can do this. I think I can

48:39

make people feel comfortable enough to

48:41

really express theirselves and

48:44

to be able to you know, chop it up on the couch

48:47

and asking a hard question in in

48:49

in the right way, you know what I mean. I

48:51

don't want to do lad, I ain't trying to get nobody

48:54

locked up. I don't want to do nothing shocking

48:56

and and insistive. I

48:59

want to do I won't be be at it really stopping

49:01

up with a g That's

49:05

that's what they're listening for. They just

49:07

want to hear your your one hunt and

49:10

and love. As you're giving them that man,

49:12

you got them all, you got them, They're gonna listen.

49:15

Yeah, yeah, man. That's the beautiful thing about

49:17

this podcast and stuff. It's really allowed

49:19

us to have a voice for us, not going through

49:21

no motherfucker where he can shop it up and make it sound

49:24

like he wanted sound. No this coming straight

49:26

from us and filter the raw. How many

49:28

times were y'all shooting, like, how do y'all what's

49:30

the platform? Man? Shoot we

49:32

um we shoot um. Like this week

49:34

this is our second episode. We don't done this. We did

49:37

the one that dropped them today already

49:39

and this one we're doing now man to drop you know next

49:42

week. This is

49:44

drop on Thursday. So we do it once a week and sometimes,

49:46

man, we've at times when we don't knocked off two and

49:48

three shows in a week. Sometimes it's just

49:50

like, you know, because like the

49:53

convenient time for you to do the interview was

49:55

Thursday at seven o'clock. Okay, that's when we

49:57

go do this interview, you know what I mean? Because it's a pride,

50:00

right, you know what I'm saying, a lot of times

50:02

it just be me James h Is sitting shopping

50:04

up and that's our normal show we're doing every

50:06

Tuesday. Man. But man, it's

50:09

you know, it's the beautiful things that ain't remember the conversation.

50:11

Don't even look at this interview. Yeah

50:14

it's still good though.

50:16

It's feel you know, it's feel good. Yeah,

50:20

you know what I'm saying, Just natural, you know

50:22

what I'm saying. We're not trying to We're not

50:24

trying to put him niggers up on some bullshit

50:26

where people can come and express theirself, talk

50:29

about their past, or talk about

50:31

their positive inputs on their positive

50:33

effects on what they're doing right now. So,

50:36

like I said, a lot of motherfucker's when they

50:38

hear your name or they hear who associated

50:41

with ship, they already get uh estimation

50:43

of who you are. So we try to change

50:46

that with this podcast and give people a

50:48

platform where they can come and express

50:50

theirselves and people can be like, man

50:53

niggas is highly intelligent. Motherfucker's

50:55

You feel me, right? You know?

50:57

You just see that people? Is is? You know? Is

51:00

my biggest thing with this ship is I'm

51:02

trying to look but the outside of people. Look at

51:04

people when they see a black man, don't look at it. You

51:06

don't see just a crip or blood. That's a man

51:08

right there, because we all men before

51:11

you anything else. You come into the world as a man

51:13

or a woman. You know what I mean? Nothing else? Right?

51:16

You know what I'm saying In this last question

51:19

I got for you? What did

51:22

what in your definition? Man? What did Nipsey

51:24

mean of l A? What he meant

51:26

to l A is? I don't know what he meant to

51:28

the world, you know, asked you to the world. But just

51:31

he just icon like he's l A's

51:33

icon. Well, let me, I gotta separate that

51:36

because he what he meant to

51:38

us is different, and what he meant to me is

51:40

different, you know what I mean. I gotta

51:42

tell you what he meant to me. He was my love. He

51:45

was the one I seen first and I said he

51:48

can do m you

51:50

know what I mean. He was the one that I said, out

51:53

of all the people I looked at, I

51:56

said, to me, put

51:58

your money on this. A

52:02

lot of people don't know how hard. You know what I mean,

52:06

because you And

52:08

that's the thing. People gotta understand that

52:11

it took somebody to say

52:14

this the one. So what the world

52:16

seen is

52:18

what I already see, you

52:21

know what I mean, Like you

52:24

saw that from the beginning exactly

52:26

I saw it. I saw what

52:29

the world had to later come to see.

52:32

You know. I met him when he was a baby, and

52:35

in my mind I knew he could become this

52:37

because when I first met him, he was

52:39

talking about bullets ain't got no name. He

52:41

was talking about crip walking. He was talking about

52:43

sea walk and he was talking about that and

52:46

in the conversations we had in the

52:48

natural and the natural growth, he

52:51

became what everybody else can respect

52:53

and then try to equate the pocket and all that.

52:56

But I've seen it first. That's

52:59

the program still. But

53:01

the most appropriate answer is I've

53:04

seen it first, you

53:06

know what I mean. But out of all

53:08

the artists in the world, you gotta remember I

53:10

had I had been around Snoop, I had

53:12

been around m C eight, I had been around

53:14

Game, I've been around all these dudes. I've been around all

53:16

these dudes before I wouldn't got him,

53:20

and I had to in my mind say

53:24

who could ride with them?

53:26

Who am I gonna place my my

53:28

my one shot on? You

53:31

know what I mean. So, and that's what people do when

53:33

you when you see this show, you're gonna see in

53:35

the documentary it's a lot of people taking in putting

53:38

their word behind these artists, and

53:40

these artists is gonna blow up because it

53:42

got to be somebody say,

53:44

looks, Ray, it's the one, right,

53:46

it's the one. A Game m the one.

53:49

And when it was my turn, I

53:52

told the world, no, he's the one. So

53:55

I can say to the world, now, you're always

53:57

late. I already knew he's

54:02

he is definitely your contribution to hip

54:04

hop. And I tell people that all the time. I say, man,

54:06

you was he just wasn't know over night stuff

54:08

because I thought it was genius what you did

54:10

two handle holds. No, no longer, I just thought it was

54:13

genius. You kind

54:15

of threw people off at first because sometimes

54:17

you would have warning red based phone caps

54:19

in the videos and other

54:21

stuff. It wasn't like you, No, it wasn't

54:24

like no, like what you did was genius.

54:26

That was a fight in the hood too. Let's keep

54:28

that one hunted. That was a

54:31

fight in the hood. That was a fight because

54:33

you gotta remember when I came home, I

54:35

don't want nobody. I don't want to set trip and I

54:37

want my sons to feel like you know blood

54:40

you know, because you know this like I was. That

54:42

was purpose That was purposeful. I

54:44

purposely did not make sure I

54:47

watched every video in

54:49

his early videos, I listened to

54:51

every lyric. We

54:53

can't put that out. We ain't

54:55

gonna sub this these niggers, we

54:58

ain't gonna cross this out of the wall. When

55:01

because when we came with this, you don't understand,

55:03

bro. We was the first

55:07

movement to not claim a city,

55:10

we claimed a set. So

55:13

it was very difficult because we

55:15

didn't claim Compton, we didn't claim

55:17

Watts, we didn't claim the Long Beach,

55:20

we didn't claim l A. We claimed

55:22

Rolling Sixties. And

55:24

so it was a lot of people that was like, no, you can't

55:26

do that, you can't do it. And I'm like, why

55:29

were this and nobody went

55:32

for the this, nobody with the Llena, Nobody

55:35

We're gonna do and it was and when in the

55:37

beginning he didn't want to do no songs

55:39

with nobody, but wrote the sixties

55:43

and dudes, it was affiliated with us. So

55:46

it was put into like, now, man, we gotta

55:48

do this. We god, you know, and he was he

55:50

had us. Yeah, he had his feeling. He was young, he was

55:52

a tiger man. He was you know, he was a cup

55:54

he's ready to get on. But he

55:57

got it. He got it. We

55:59

need to do this, you know, we gotta do this

56:01

to make this. We gotta do this, we gotta They

56:03

started seeing it was a bigger picture without

56:09

without you doing that, though, just

56:11

imagine where he would have been. He probably

56:13

would have made it if he didn't have that understanding

56:16

or got that understanding from the big homies, you

56:19

know what I'm saying. So you

56:21

pretty much gotta get yourself credit for what

56:24

you created, and that's

56:26

showing him that he had to be

56:29

like versatile in the game to

56:32

to be successful. And he

56:34

did that got you shocked.

56:37

He had he had to be able to

56:39

receive it and then put

56:41

it back out, and he was great. He

56:44

took he took what little I gave

56:46

him, and then what what

56:48

a bigger example I gave him?

56:50

And he made it work. You

56:53

know, we were together for a short

56:55

period, but my influence in my neighborhood

56:58

and my example in my neighborhood still

57:01

poor than to him. When we had the beef.

57:04

You understand, it was very short lived. It was

57:06

longer to everybody else

57:08

in the world because the end of it made it

57:10

long. You know what I mean. We had

57:12

a we had a we had a one

57:14

day beat that people made long. But we

57:17

always talked and we

57:19

always built all the whip

57:22

into the day past, you know what I mean. You

57:24

know, so I love that I'm

57:27

not the one who has

57:29

to say I didn't get to tell him my love you. I

57:32

don't have that. I don't have that

57:34

that demon. I'm not the one

57:37

who who who? Who? Gotta

57:39

say I missed him

57:41

and I gave him his award while he was

57:43

living. I gave the only award he ever

57:45

guy. Ye know, I mean,

57:50

man, were you man? I

57:52

can't thank you enough man for coming on the show. I

57:54

know this is gonna be big, man, because we got to do that

57:57

pretty much. You know. It's anonymous with the face

57:59

of l A. They look at the map, but probably

58:01

a picture You'll ask from that motherfucker for

58:04

you know what I mean. They gotta be high in the

58:06

back, like man,

58:08

be glad to get you on your man because you like, like

58:10

I said, I don't know you a long time man, and

58:13

I'm just real, I can't say enough

58:15

good stuff about you. If you do a lot of incredible stuff

58:17

in the community and we appreciate your brother. I'm

58:20

back after the thing dropped, after offensively

58:23

dropped, I'm coming back right

58:29

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58:32

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