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1:09

Man. Today we have

1:11

a first time ever only on

1:13

the Gangst the Chronicles. Only on the

1:15

Gangst the Chronicles. When you see Big Gift

1:18

Cam, I gotta say West Coast Cam because I don't

1:21

want them confusion the dude that used to wear pink, and

1:23

that's no dis against him, but they're two totally

1:25

different guys and my blood.

1:28

Mm hmm.

1:30

And it's about to just get real

1:33

in the here today man, because you know eight, I'm gonna talk about

1:35

all that ship that you don't like to talk about.

1:36

I ain't talking my ship. I'm just gonna sit here and listen.

1:38

So you just want them serve you all my

1:41

ship today. I'm explicit today.

1:43

They don'et slap the sticker on my mouth today,

1:46

so I'm quiet. I'm

1:48

just here so I can get paid.

1:50

The beautiful it was gonna pinions you about

1:52

to hear on this episode, Yeah yeah, yeah,

1:55

then I.

1:55

Reflect the

1:58

sticker on this episod saw when you started

2:01

out.

2:01

I ain't gonna go to too much the

2:03

conspiracy lane. But what I do

2:05

want to talk about though, and it's something, it's a conversation.

2:07

It's kind of a continuation of the conversations

2:09

we have every day as

2:12

far as gangster rap goes, right. I

2:15

was telling someone the other day that gangster

2:18

rap is still the number

2:20

one genre in rap music, but

2:23

with people that have done they always segment

2:25

stuff. They start calling the trill, they

2:27

start calling the trap in some

2:30

cases crump, you know because to me, you know,

2:32

I I know, we had this debate. Three

2:35

six Mafia to me is gangster totally.

2:37

That was a gangster rap, you know what. To me, anytime

2:40

you're talking about elementary, the streets, poverty,

2:42

crime, you know, in

2:44

some cases even religion, you know that

2:47

gangster.

2:49

I mean, they were the first one I talked about. They were

2:51

the first ones I saw that

2:54

openly admitted to using cocaine.

2:57

Yeah. Three six Mafia was some wild boys.

2:59

Man and they was in the devil and

3:02

that was just something that a lot of people wouldn't

3:04

They didn't understand during those times.

3:06

So you think three six months he was in Satanism,

3:09

nigga, I thought, hey, he called

3:11

three six months broke. But that don't mean when the life,

3:13

stay at home practice and Satanism. But let's

3:16

talk.

3:17

We can open open up, yeah, exactly

3:19

identify who's whose satan is? Yeah, but

3:21

why yeah, why would you think somebody would even

3:23

call themselves see sixers?

3:25

Well to a rou's attention, you

3:28

know, thats attention, you know, because

3:30

you.

3:30

Know it's it's it's homies in the

3:32

hood called themself devil, little devil, o Gie devil

3:35

devil like they pushed they pushed that. Yeah,

3:37

but I'll be thinking when niggas I got a little devil

3:40

devil devil from really is like from the

3:42

hood and Elm Street.

3:43

It was like that they were probably here. It's

3:46

like one of them niggas really from the setting

3:48

from At the same.

3:49

Time there's a family from Okay.

3:52

So it's crazy, but like you know, but.

3:54

He's recognized, don't go there, gods

3:56

from and the Little Jesus is from

3:59

the hood.

3:59

Yeah, but

4:01

you know what I've been thinking.

4:02

I think that be you know, all the same

4:04

poverty floy of making other people fear

4:07

and respect like that.

4:09

I'll be so violent, nigga, I'm saving like

4:12

because.

4:13

That's a good question though, cam not to

4:15

cut you off. Why

4:20

Why because other

4:22

other other communities, the

4:24

communities outside of La they

4:27

recognized with the God God

4:29

him. See, I'm from the so

4:32

and so is the God. We never

4:34

got on that.

4:34

Why because

4:37

we was the worst of the worst, meaning

4:39

like once the rebellious

4:41

slaves, because it's all come down to slavery, most

4:44

unruly and rebellious slaves got drove

4:46

westward. You know what I'm saying, So

4:49

like yip, like you got some some Nat turners,

4:51

you got some people that stayed on in the South,

4:54

you know what I'm saying.

4:54

But then you got those ones that that had

4:57

to flee on the screw. Yeah, all the extra

4:59

screw that wasn't wise is gip.

5:02

You know what I'm saying here.

5:04

Yeah, so we got drove all the way to the west,

5:07

and as far west as you can go is California

5:09

can't go into the ocean, right, you know what I'm

5:11

saying.

5:12

So, so we was the most

5:14

rebellious and unruly.

5:15

And that's why West Coast gang banging,

5:18

doe pimping and all of that is most influential

5:21

because we the most rebellious of

5:23

the ones that that migrated.

5:26

You know what I'm saying.

5:26

The ones that stayed like I said, they stayed

5:28

like like like I said, ghipp and goodie

5:30

mob outcast.

5:32

You know what I'm saying.

5:33

You know what I'm saying, U GK like you know what I'm

5:35

saying. So we all from the South, we

5:37

all had to define. Yeah, every nigga

5:39

came from the South came.

5:40

Here stayed or you flee.

5:42

Yeah, I'm saying they first the first place in

5:45

Chicago, right, Philadelphia

5:47

and Plymouth Rock and all that.

5:49

Ye.

5:49

Yeah, my peoples from Guffport, Mississippi,

5:52

and three came

5:54

west the rest state planet

6:00

roots in the South. That's how I ended up in.

6:02

Uh crazy nigga to go there far west.

6:04

Yeah. Long.

6:08

And it was three females that came. It

6:10

wasn't no, there wasn't no uncles

6:12

or nothing. Three females came west,

6:15

my mom and my two aunties and

6:17

then they went to Banning

6:19

High School.

6:20

Yeah, nowhere they

6:24

came.

6:26

And I think that's because we already had

6:28

family here, like we had a couple

6:31

of second third cousins

6:33

here. So when moms and

6:35

them was like, man, I'm getting the funk up out of guff

6:37

Port, you know. And it's probably because

6:39

you know, in that time, you know,

6:42

the forties fifties, it was hell.

6:45

It was like if opportunity there probably wasny

6:49

is the head up with the slave master, like like

6:52

you ever kind of white president exactly,

6:54

So.

6:54

It was understood like nigger and cracker,

6:57

like you know what I'm saying, And Okay, we ain't gonna really

6:59

make and I respect that

7:01

to this day, Like that's why I respect Trump more than

7:04

Biden and s like, tell me what it really is.

7:06

I can I can understand that exactly.

7:08

You know what I'm saying.

7:09

I don't want to mix with y'all, and y'all don't want to

7:11

mix with Okay, respect our territory

7:13

like they like you. With

7:15

you, we

7:18

can do business that's.

7:19

Up North style to ask like

7:22

your friends.

7:24

It's just because, like I said, it's crazy

7:26

that we've never as

7:28

artists. We're in the hood Likena

7:31

be God Low Nigga,

7:34

young Godga Caul.

7:37

When God died, I still thought I was crazy. And

7:39

it was about a g It was a mix

7:41

of Hancho gangster

7:43

turtle then raising

7:46

a kid in the community, you

7:49

know, being taken on a little hommy. And I remember I

7:51

was explaining to steal the movie, like, but you can't

7:53

call the nigga God.

7:56

Another nigga.

7:57

We call that, but it's

8:00

not to do it.

8:01

But in every neighborhood, we have someone

8:03

that almost holds a god like mystique.

8:06

It's always the one tough guy

8:08

in the neighborhood. They just kind of

8:11

just run stuff. We normal. They got

8:13

him in every neighborhood.

8:14

But that's that's

8:17

something that really we didn't

8:19

do that. We didn't Yeah, yah, y'all

8:21

didn't do that. We didn't do the leader

8:23

and the one.

8:25

I see it off there in l A. No, that don't mean nobody

8:28

outside of that hood and scared them. I'm talking about that on

8:30

the clock.

8:31

But it's not really like that. It's it's.

8:35

The thing they make California like

8:37

there is like Jay Prince is like that.

8:40

Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

8:42

Certain places it probably if you the

8:44

nigga, you probably.

8:45

Gonna meet the fucked up the minds, you know what

8:47

I mean, like you want because it's always a nigga

8:49

that don't matter.

8:50

That's I think if people fear.

8:51

You, picking

8:54

give a fuck him out who nigga jack

8:56

you too?

8:57

I really think fear if you if

8:59

you really scared of somebody, if you didn't notice

9:02

people that people feared, met

9:04

the early demands most

9:06

of the time, more often than not on the West, most

9:09

of the time. I said in songs, a scary

9:11

nigga, kill you fast.

9:13

That's the whole game.

9:14

I mean, not no disrespect, but my

9:17

large majority of gang banging is

9:20

you know, homie little dudes that click up

9:22

because they still just stand on their manhood,

9:25

standing on their own test. Yeah, you know what

9:27

I'm saying.

9:28

I didn't realize that though. Like growing up,

9:30

I didn't.

9:31

I didn't really want to be from the set, like I

9:33

didn't really want to because you remember like that.

9:35

Well you didn't want to bang this. You was always

9:37

gonna be dumbis exactly.

9:39

But I didn't want to be.

9:41

I didn't really think I would be good at it

9:43

because it kind of seemed like it was like a

9:45

bunch of people drinking and smoking and

9:48

losing a wit to do stuff. So I

9:50

know for sure, even at twelve thirteen,

9:52

I wasn't gonna drink and smoke it never.

9:55

But that wasn't about it like you you realized

9:57

later that said, I've said, all of this

9:59

is what your

10:02

homies right, they chilling.

10:04

You don't really see him active all the time, see him

10:06

chilling the way they was chilling.

10:07

I didn't want to chill them, you

10:09

know what I'm saying.

10:10

It was different for me, like uh,

10:13

in Atlanta, we didn't really have games

10:15

like I didn't.

10:16

I didn't run into the gang coaches.

10:17

I got to Colorado, my brother,

10:20

my cousin and all my cousins. They was like

10:22

when I got to Denver, it was like thirteen

10:25

twelve thirteen. I just started watching my cousin

10:28

get up. He started pressing

10:30

his dickies and ship and I was like.

10:31

What did somebody? Somebody migrated.

10:34

They really banged down. I

10:39

got a niggas

10:41

didn't come right now, what's

10:44

crazy?

10:44

And you know

10:46

talk to the Yeah it's up

10:49

there. Yeah, yeah.

10:50

A lot of hardship was migrating from

10:53

Cali. When you start getting places

10:55

like the San Antonio's

10:57

and the Denver's and

10:58

went.

11:00

Up worse and went up worse. Devil,

11:04

I'm gonna.

11:04

Tell you those guys because they got

11:07

crips, some bloods in Cleveland. And I

11:09

would almost venture to say that the

11:11

crips some bloods in Cleveland places

11:14

like Detroit, they almost

11:16

might be a little bit worse now than.

11:18

The ones in But that's

11:20

because they at the beginning of

11:23

what it is.

11:23

If they want to match when you first you

11:25

strike it, when the first strike is gonna.

11:27

It's gonna go up, then it's gonna level out.

11:29

That's like for y'all in the eighties, like y'all seeing

11:31

game bang and way worse than I seen.

11:35

Kid said, niggas. It was bad I

11:37

saw in the in the eighties

11:41

seventies for me, fucking

11:43

like fucking eighty

11:45

four eighty three, that was man,

11:47

that ship, pet Trastius, Let

11:49

me ask your question. I'm talking about going to

11:52

school, standing on the bus stop, Niggas pulling

11:54

up, nigga boling our heat. Nigg I'm twelve

11:56

years old. Where the fuck you's from?

12:00

It was kid was kids, But you change

12:02

from fighting shooting.

12:04

This is something I never asked.

12:05

I wanted to ask still if it's okay, Hey,

12:08

you gone the right wise right?

12:11

Did y'all really know about when the sisters and nature?

12:14

Was that a conversation amongst your age

12:16

group or was that still kind of like a sectional

12:19

conversation over there?

12:21

Yeah? That was sectional.

12:22

Do you remember the first time I didn't come outside

12:25

the compton even, No, I

12:27

didn't come outside the hood.

12:28

So do you remember when when?

12:30

When when Crip started beefing? Do you remember

12:33

when that first time happened? That's a question,

12:37

so I could point it like right, as

12:39

far as I.

12:39

Could remember, we was always beefing

12:41

with ye.

12:44

Like, yes, I said, I never came from the time I

12:46

started claiming the neighborhood, track

12:50

News and Nutty Blocks as long as I can remember,

12:52

as long as I could remember all

12:54

the blocks in South Sound, as

12:56

long as I could remember. I'm not sure, so

12:59

I don't was it was. It was

13:01

just in the neighborhood. It was like, we

13:04

know who our enemies are. Like I

13:06

said, from the time I came from elementary school

13:08

to start claiming in thirteen years

13:10

old, the mission statement

13:12

was, we don't like them. We

13:14

don't like them, and we don't like them nigga.

13:17

I could be cool with them them.

13:19

It might be another blood hood like

13:22

I'm cool with, but we don't

13:24

get along with them for sure. Them

13:26

and them rules gonna

13:29

see you or you're gonna see them and it's gonna be on

13:31

on site.

13:32

Hey does the does the beef

13:34

that stays with between two

13:36

hoods? Is it because of they

13:39

killed the wrong dude or

13:42

because you know what I mean?

13:43

Because it's like some of the like

13:47

some of our beef started from, Like

13:50

we used to hang out in other niggas hoods.

13:52

We had a partnerships really whatever

13:55

you get social, we

13:57

partnered up with you know, we was cool

13:59

with the Poe, We was cool with the

14:01

front hoods. So that was

14:03

our click. Now if we happen to be in

14:05

somebody else hood and they

14:08

enemy come through, they gonna

14:10

dump. They not asking, Oh hold up before

14:12

we start shooting. Where you from?

14:15

Oh you from so and so? Watch out

14:17

you from it? We want him. They

14:19

didn't do that, nigga. We're just coming through

14:21

on one of those nights,

14:25

and a

14:27

lot of our ships started because, like

14:29

I said, we we co mingled with other

14:32

neighborhood. We might be having

14:34

a picnic today in the other neighborhood.

14:36

They enemy coming through, they dumping

14:38

on everybody. We get caught. Now

14:41

our beef is their beef too.

14:43

That's how I go because

14:46

I don't want straight too far from want

14:48

straight too far?

14:50

Would you remember when the gracious and the PJ shit

14:52

first have them?

14:54

Well, like I said, from my point

14:56

of view, and I you know, I gotta keep

14:58

it because on some blacks stuff, my

15:00

thing is always really

15:03

lynched the real enemy behind it,

15:05

you know what I'm saying. Trying not to stay on the branches

15:07

in the.

15:07

Leaves of of the you know the

15:10

effects.

15:10

Yeah, I try to stay on the cause

15:14

the foundation of what y'all saying is absolutely

15:16

correct. But really it's

15:19

some it's a greater it's a it's

15:21

a it's a cointeil

15:23

pro thing like all.

15:26

Some some of our.

15:29

Most active riders was

15:31

INFORMEDT was was working for them, folks.

15:34

You know what I'm saying.

15:35

If y'all know anything about the Black Panthers,

15:37

the Nation of Is Flying, any any organization

15:40

you had Asian provocateurs

15:42

that was that was flipped, that was turned, And

15:44

these niggas be the riders, They be the hitter, the

15:47

sliders, you know what I'm saying, even you

15:49

see it out outright today.

15:51

The snitches is the is the niggas

15:54

that.

15:54

So how you go, how you gonna you know, d

15:57

Peter, this nigga the gun from y'all

15:59

hood like, but he'll snitched like you can't tell him

16:01

that niggas is scared of the you know what I'm

16:03

saying. So this was all the way back in

16:05

the late seventies and the eighties or whatever.

16:08

We're gang banging.

16:09

So I tried not to get on it,

16:11

mentioning hoods and all of that. But

16:13

you know that's what Gangs the Chronicles is about. But

16:16

my take is the real

16:19

gangster, the real endemy.

16:20

You know what I'm saying.

16:21

Exactly. Rap

16:26

music had a profound effect

16:29

on every community across the nation, across

16:31

the country. I don't care here to New

16:34

York, right, And I

16:36

would be remiss to say, man, that

16:39

between the dope the dope trade,

16:42

you know, between I like to call it, you know, the

16:45

when the West Coast started important them

16:48

good prices, you know, and sharing them good prices across

16:50

the country.

16:50

Right.

16:51

They came with a certain attitude and it was different,

16:54

you know what I'm saying. So some of it stuck. Most

16:56

plays most places are stuck, right, You

16:58

got to think about it. The Crips and Bloods

17:00

came to Cleveland eighty.

17:01

Eight, eighty nine.

17:03

That yeah, that that lake Dog.

17:05

It came with a dope, you know, dope because they

17:08

were selling crack before that. I remember hearing

17:10

the little rumors about crack in

17:12

like eighty six, but eighty five, but I

17:14

was too young to even though what that was. I

17:17

know it was people starting it really get

17:19

on sliging stuff. Yeah, And

17:21

it wasn't around like it was. They wasn't full on

17:24

hitting the pipe. It came in the form of a primo

17:26

first. That's why it's almost like it

17:28

was planet the way they just but

17:33

but if you look back on it, it's like everybody

17:35

started on it. Because my brother thanked God that

17:37

he cleaning down and everything. But when he started,

17:40

he was just a regular dude.

17:41

The smoke weed right.

17:42

They was partying and one night they were sitting

17:44

at the lake and it was the fourth of July. He

17:46

said he never will forget it. He said that

17:49

he felt like that's when his whole life changed.

17:51

He said they were sitting there looking fireworks and he said,

17:53

it's home boy, somebody trust she

17:56

do said, man, try this, it's gonna

17:58

make this feel better. When he

18:00

put when he hit that man with that primo with

18:02

the rocks in there, dude, he said it was like an

18:05

explosions. He said, man, I had he said,

18:07

he said, I had an orgasthm in my brain. I

18:09

said, no, they.

18:11

Say it was great.

18:13

I want to ask you a question. But plug

18:16

and knowing him, so my older humies told me, like, you

18:19

know that it was just the thing, and you just tried

18:21

it right, just like the thing, And he said he

18:23

tried it right. They tried to. He was

18:25

like, man, it was too crazy. I ain't even messing

18:27

with this no more. But then certain people couldn't

18:30

get.

18:30

Away from it.

18:31

They couldn't because we all geared, man, an

18:33

attic, don't just become an attict. Bro when

18:35

he tried to think the first time, he's already an

18:37

addict. But it hasn't been activated.

18:39

Ship.

18:40

This is the thought I was gonna say that to your point with

18:42

gangster, this is a good question for

18:44

all of y'all. Do you remember the first time you heard about the interap

18:46

song crack? Yeahs

18:53

paid for y'all? Remember the first time you heard it?

18:56

Man, I think it might have been you

18:58

know what this was between two t and

19:01

and Carris, one of the girl he's all free,

19:03

but the crack costs money.

19:05

Oh yeah, the first time you heard about it in

19:07

the rep.

19:08

I just thought that was powerful, you know what I mean?

19:10

Like that, You remember

19:13

he was like, can what are they talking?

19:15

Probably? Yeah,

19:18

probably Quo.

19:20

Todd and Spade had all of us sold

19:22

up with with with drug tails.

19:25

And we wasn't even calling it crack. That was the white

19:27

man turned for It was rocks. Yeah,

19:29

it was it was rock. It was

19:31

rotten. White people called the crack.

19:33

And they always come up with these two.

19:36

Right, like against the

19:38

real turned against red. Then we just

19:41

start saying the same thing because Todd didn't

19:43

want to saying they were saying rock that

19:46

was like corny, like it was the

19:48

white people whe rock man, rock man,

19:51

and and yeah.

19:52

White people call it crack because

19:54

they heard a slang they heard like spade

19:56

and tidy t saying like like crack

19:58

was like a piece of like you you cracked a little

20:01

piece off the rock. And then when they called

20:03

call it cracked, we

20:07

never noticed when they hear you hear a little

20:09

crack on like like embers

20:11

burning, you feel what I'm.

20:13

Saying, definitely sound like it be crackling because

20:15

that was being close well, and I was hearing practice

20:18

from from us

20:21

and cracking me off a little piece

20:23

of that rock like crack, like crack a little like

20:25

you cracked the rock.

20:26

Yeah, the dope term was what we

20:29

were slanging. We were slanging

20:32

sweat was slanging lock.

20:33

If you had a fifty piece, we had a boulder, you

20:35

know what I mean.

20:37

We had a fifty piece, we had to double up what

20:39

was called the double up spend fifty

20:42

make you about a hundred back.

20:43

Yeah, we was doing that all day in the neighborhood.

20:45

I was temp them stories itself

20:47

so yeah, So so

20:50

the first record is the Chris record. Yeah,

20:52

and that record is tear Spain.

20:53

I know that.

20:54

Yeah, that record, that's that's

20:56

crazy. So everybody got introduced to it, the different

20:58

records.

20:59

Yeah, everybody got

21:01

introduced to Yeah, because we wasn't mean

21:04

the coat, the cocaine was that

21:06

was the white people thing.

21:07

It wasn't. Yeah, we

21:09

were.

21:11

Let me tell you this, not to cut you off, but do you remember

21:13

at one time snorting coke with

21:15

some baller ship they was that was the white

21:17

people baller shit, you know, because I think you know.

21:19

And why they really didn't press it hard when

21:21

it was just the white people snorting in the clubs

21:23

and all that ship.

21:24

Because nobody could afford it. And and

21:27

really you had a few

21:29

people that was cleaning, they safe out and that stuff.

21:31

But it wasn't really rise big because my daddy

21:33

showed me a ring, my pops, he showed

21:35

me.

21:35

A ring that he had. They had a little secret compartment and

21:38

that was like the.

21:38

Players you know in

21:40

the club, big

21:43

dog you know, yeah, the big

21:45

dog. Yeah,

21:50

then you take the little a little broad

21:52

head and put it up to her doll to get her little

21:54

head and then kissed the ring.

21:57

What happened was we got it. They

21:59

introduced it to us and the gang and niggas

22:01

started getting rich and just niggas, And

22:04

that's when they started coming down hard.

22:06

Because when it was just the white people in the club in

22:08

the studio fifty fours and shit was

22:10

cracking. Everybody was doing

22:12

it.

22:14

You're all the stories. You never heard nobody getting

22:16

all his time for selling no door.

22:18

They didn't trip off of that ship. Soon this niggas

22:21

started naked money.

22:22

Boy, gee, I'm gonna tell you the difference between that. Contrary

22:26

to popular belief, most

22:28

of those people were based in other countries. They

22:30

had people over the deal work, like you had Roselle

22:33

the Blanco over here that was doing her thing and whatever.

22:35

You had whoever else down there. But

22:37

most part Pablo was over there. Papla

22:40

was doing with hell he wanted to. He owned the gup and he built

22:42

his own jail and everything. So yeah,

22:45

couldn't nobody get to him. But he you know, his

22:47

u brisk was the cause of his demise though, you

22:49

know, he was just if he'd have just did that little

22:51

time in next jail he built, he probably became president

22:54

of that motherfucker and just chill.

22:55

He didn't have to he about science

22:57

though, like oh so so no,

23:00

no disrespect.

23:01

Niggas ain't scientists and we ain't eve important.

23:03

Like so

23:05

so so so Rocks.

23:08

Rocks is way more addictive

23:12

Rochester.

23:13

Rocks is way According to users,

23:17

Rocks is way affect you way

23:19

more than powder, like like Nigga's gonna destroy

23:21

their life trying to get that same feeling,

23:23

that that orgasm whatever, that extra

23:25

bomb feeling of rocks.

23:28

That that don't you don't get that from powder.

23:30

Oh no, powder don't geek. Powder is a whole

23:32

different high I believe. So who was the scientist

23:35

talk powder? By accident?

23:36

One time?

23:37

And I was pissed off? Listen

23:43

to me and I tried

23:46

to no listen to me.

23:48

Listen.

23:49

You know she hadn't started smoking weed till I was in

23:51

my fifties. You ain't never know

23:53

me to smoke no whed prior to I did. I

23:55

didn't notice you to smoke ship until I

23:57

start hanging around. You're not being a back to show.

24:00

Start going stick over

24:02

here?

24:04

Yeah because what no?

24:06

Because what it was, bro I found a remedy

24:08

for my need, right, you know, I write

24:11

his football entries right, So I

24:13

found something that was a cool alternative

24:16

that didn't feel like I was constipated

24:18

and that and see, I'm gonna tell you this, bro, and

24:21

I'm being one hundred. At one

24:23

time, my doctor was giving me a nine day supply

24:25

of Viking. Come

24:28

on my shoulder, it's

24:31

just time.

24:32

Come on.

24:33

Well, I had a cousin. I ain't gonna put

24:35

his name. No, I'm not gonna do

24:37

that. No it's not

24:39

okay, No, it's not a fool.

24:44

Still right.

24:46

He was the one that was known for really getting down

24:48

like this nigga. When we was thirteen, he was taking

24:51

fifths of a wild hours rolls for the head and the gonna

24:53

play football and get busy. So

24:56

he had some leaed one day and I

24:58

was trying.

24:58

To be cool.

24:59

We were saying and that was some brogs and

25:02

I remember they was playing this Shuve rock

25:04

song. Were in the projects,

25:06

Yeah, we we, we were in the projects. And

25:09

he said and he said, gone hit the joint.

25:11

So I hit.

25:12

It, Oh,

25:14

Primo, So you got it?

25:15

And I'm trying. No, it wasn't rocks.

25:17

It wasn't like you know, it

25:19

was powdered. No,

25:23

that free base explaining

25:28

to real quick. Freebasing

25:30

is when you got the powder. If they're

25:33

doing the same thing, that rocks, but it's a way

25:35

more expensive fire because you burned up a lot

25:37

of cocaine, you burning up a lot of dope.

25:38

Right.

25:39

So when I tried it, I didn't really

25:41

know it. Actually I didn't even know,

25:44

Like I didn't know how to smoke weed back then. I was

25:46

just like this got me.

25:48

I was on my way home and I

25:51

just felt like a numbness come over my

25:53

whole face.

25:55

And it's like my face was froze.

25:57

Man.

25:59

I didn't like it, bro because I wouldn't gotta

26:01

remember I wasn't I wasn't used to get.

26:03

I wasn't used to get because I

26:05

didn't get high. But I was just like Crump.

26:09

Was just like Crump.

26:11

Just imagine, just imagine

26:13

you can't.

26:13

Feel your face, man, and you

26:17

just up. I stayed up for like

26:19

two days and I didn't.

26:20

Care what was wrong with me?

26:23

I said, And

26:26

wasn't nowhere near going to sleep. And

26:29

I asked him. I said, man, I don't want to smoke

26:31

no more. He said, nigga, that was that powder.

26:35

I wanted to but big dogs

26:39

because.

26:41

I was mad.

26:41

I was upset because to me, that

26:44

was like being a smoker back then, and I didn't you

26:46

know. I was like, sure, I

26:48

was an athlete. I had to test the drugs because

26:51

it was embarrassing. How do you feel.

26:52

About people blaming rather

26:55

hip hop for spreading the messages?

26:58

Well, hip hop asked, being

27:00

like, like, let me be real right here, I'm gonna say

27:02

something that's real and it's gonna sound hypocritical

27:04

as hell. I

27:06

really believe that hip hop definitely

27:09

played the part. And I don't think

27:11

it's our fault, right, we was telling the story right.

27:13

But gangsterism

27:16

is intriguing. Bro selling

27:18

dope as hell of intriguing. I never

27:21

felt more alive than when I sold dope.

27:23

Dog.

27:23

To be honest with you, and I'm just and

27:26

I'm just because I'm.

27:26

Serious

27:30

and it was game. I'm talking about me.

27:32

I was a fog as I am now,

27:34

man, I was, I was young,

27:37

dog, I was a baby.

27:38

You had them bills in your pockets fold.

27:39

Up, and it's like and it's just

27:41

quick because you go from and

27:45

it's not like I was getting like fifty

27:48

sixty sevut there five

27:50

hundred. I just remember I went from

27:52

a dude trying to borrow two dollars from the hommie

27:55

in the locker room. Now I got thirty

27:57

five hundred in my pocket, man, just like that

27:59

quick, and I'm going to Tommy Berger

28:01

and I'm the nigga that the thing right, And

28:06

le Bron is looking at me like I'm the ball.

28:08

You know what I'm saying,

28:13

Tap into your man.

28:15

Like, nigga, I got money.

28:18

I can buy these bitches of a couple of value

28:20

facts.

28:22

Again, you know what I mean, like

28:25

that little chili cheese frog for everybody?

28:27

Was you?

28:28

Were you successful?

28:30

I don't know if you can be successful in that trade

28:32

because I think about it now and it's one of my life's

28:34

biggest regrets because I think about her now as a

28:36

grown man. I think about some of the people I encountered

28:39

when I was doing that, because contrary

28:42

with people say people always, you had different

28:44

people, Like I had homies that would beat

28:46

the smokers up. I would

28:48

never liked that though, because they you got a lot

28:51

of all smoker wasn't just raggedy

28:53

people, it'd be people. But I saw them

28:55

deteriorating that. I remember there was this

28:57

girl she used to just coming. She

28:59

was older, but she used to just come just

29:01

on weekends, on like Friday, and she was

29:04

like, hey, you got this, and she would get it. She would

29:06

be with her little friends. And I saw

29:08

go one. I saw Finby driving her car. That's

29:11

when I knew she was gone.

29:18

Some cluck calls down,

29:23

bro, and she can't DUBU

29:26

till tomorrow and she can't one

29:29

day dog, and you know, the hair started getting

29:31

telled and stuff, and she got a little shake and she

29:33

was trying to keep her composure because

29:35

we used to have conversations and I said, I

29:37

said you already.

29:38

She was like that minute society burger and

29:43

we asked you, she got you. I

29:45

feel contempt at my heart for her. And

29:48

that's when I realized, Man, I don't think I

29:50

had the conscious to be a good I could have been, because

29:53

the thing is, you don't have to have no hell of

29:55

traits.

29:55

To be no conscious, but

29:57

you don't have to have a conscious.

29:58

Dog. We come with a thing. You have to be a heartless

30:00

dude. Because I would see homies.

30:02

Man, I would see homies.

30:06

I'm gonna tell you that I've seen some

30:08

dudes do some cold ship.

30:09

No, no, listen, before

30:12

I get to that, did you ever make a rabbit boy selling

30:14

dope?

30:16

Oh yeah you did.

30:18

What was your best rabbit bou selling dope? What

30:21

was your best rabba by selling dope? That you remember?

30:24

Ship?

30:25

Man?

30:25

It was so many of them. See,

30:28

I was more over the reality of a dog.

30:30

I wasn't like no nigga. See every

30:32

rapper, you hear.

30:33

Everybody, everybody wouldn't selling no four thirty

30:35

forty keys.

30:36

Dog.

30:36

I never made the past the motherfucker zone.

30:39

You know. He was one of those

30:41

You was just getting that money.

30:43

I'm just a normal functional

30:45

drug dealer. I just need to get what I need

30:47

to get for to day.

30:49

And I don't even know if I had no interest, because you got

30:51

to think about it. I was a dude. Was just supplementing

30:54

my income because I wasn't out

30:56

there to be doing that ship. I was out

30:58

there just caught up in the wrong. Get you get

31:01

you, You see what I'm saying, Because you get some money, you want to get

31:03

some money. And my stuff was survival.

31:05

I didn't come from a background to where other

31:07

niggas in the apartment had parents send them one

31:09

thousand dollars a month or whatever. Man, I

31:11

was lucky if I got fifty dollars through Western

31:14

Union. You, my people just didn't

31:16

have it, so I ain't even ask.

31:17

I just knew.

31:17

I said, I'm a thuget out here and eat these

31:19

rhyma noodles and hommies rock. Because my

31:22

first hustle was weed. I

31:24

would get red hair says for forty

31:26

dollars an ounce, forty

31:29

dollars an ounce. I would bag that shit

31:31

up dog and I'm gonna tell you ain't

31:33

nothing like that Reggie dog. Because it was

31:35

an apartment for the long beats for twenty

31:37

five dollars, man, and they.

31:39

Would come over.

31:42

I got this deal for you for when

31:44

I was taking money, But then what happened

31:46

with that? I had roommates to smoke weed,

31:49

so they started stealing my shit, and so I

31:51

was whooping them niggas, asked everything. And then that money

31:53

is a little bit slower because yeah, I'm gonna make

31:55

a couple hundred dollars on a weekend. But

31:58

it's you gotta think about it. Dudes on the

32:00

team that drove I'm talking about

32:04

kill it out. We was them trucks.

32:06

They used to el caminos. They

32:08

had el caminos. Sam Rici's zokies

32:10

with the beat. I started looking at that. I said,

32:12

man, I had I'm out here,

32:15

I'm sad to sell a whole bunch of reading your

32:17

syls do something like that. And

32:19

then your boy fined

32:21

me. But fine B said,

32:24

you know far because that's

32:26

why I talked, Cuz.

32:28

You a big nigga. Ain't nobody gonna fuck

32:31

with us? You know? Because Fami was kind of spoke and

32:33

fire b. C far Be is a warmonger

32:35

and.

32:35

He got at you like how dash like how the nigga

32:37

got that dash on? I don't like to dream about

32:39

getting paid.

32:41

And he was like, mann't nobody's

32:43

fucking with us? We go go take this corner.

32:46

So me and Farnby really went to go take

32:48

Ohio and Ana hind I'm talking about from

32:50

some niggas that was older than us. Now we didn't

32:52

have to do much. Farre beas coached me up. He said,

32:54

still big, he said, still don't be

32:56

smiling and just staying out there and just goon and

32:59

that nigga And I was it up on the corner that nigga

33:01

came out there. You could tell they was coming and

33:03

they watched it come to the corner and look and

33:05

then Pete and then I did like this,

33:07

you know, finly gave him a strap. Let

33:10

them know, like like like I'm holding right down

33:12

to it. Next thing, next

33:14

thing, you know, I had the homie other homie out

33:16

there. It's about three of us, so finally

33:18

put homie in one corner right here. Then

33:20

at the end, a

33:23

little system Warren

33:28

get you.

33:29

Some dudes get in the game because they

33:31

want to make fast money or the imagery or

33:33

whatever. That was just the aspect,

33:35

like I just need to get some bread.

33:37

Man. I was hungry, dog. I didn't have no money. I'm

33:39

trying to go to school. That's why most people. I

33:42

was hungry, and it wasn't about greens there,

33:44

and I wanted to eat dog.

33:46

Yeah, I want I want to know, like

33:48

on this side, like how you

33:50

know what was what was the introduction

33:53

of I guess frankle Rocks.

33:55

You know what I'm saying, Like who

33:57

was the first person or people that

34:00

you see that. It's just the same

34:02

that dividus niggas making money like this.

34:04

It's always been there. It's always

34:06

been there. It's just that in the

34:08

South it stayed in the dope man

34:10

hands longer than it did everywhere else.

34:13

See it stayed in the grown people hands,

34:16

like they didn't give it the kids that

34:18

like everybody else was probably balling in New

34:20

York, it was like here,

34:24

you know, it's still had them old men in the neighborhood

34:26

like nah.

34:27

You can't do certain things.

34:29

So that's where it didn't really get

34:31

off the chain for us selling crack

34:33

to after like mere eighties, you know

34:35

what I mean.

34:36

So really I'm looking at the Miami niggas.

34:38

Was really what had this shit on our

34:40

thing? It was Miami

34:43

started out like ten nine. They

34:45

knew what crack was way before Georgia, did

34:48

you know, Like, so Miami was fast. Yeah,

34:52

they had to work. They

34:54

was coming. They were taking over George. They

34:56

took over every project back

34:58

then. They took every project.

35:00

That's kind of how they did in Cleveland. Man. But

35:03

it wasn't a hostile takeover, was it.

35:05

No, Because at the same time project

35:09

money. Yeah, everybody in the project eating. And

35:11

we also had the influx

35:13

of la at that time. See I

35:15

know yellow ice from from

35:18

Compton, Like yellow.

35:19

Ice been here since the eighties, like

35:21

it's.

35:22

Been shoreline crips been here since the

35:24

eighties, you know what I mean. So it's it's

35:26

Crip's been here and and Blood's

35:28

been here. But they moved with

35:31

they certain Atlanta dude and they

35:33

got money. They didn't they didn't bring

35:35

the hood. They just say yeah.

35:37

They they came in like ice team, Like I'm

35:40

here as an la nigga talked to

35:42

me.

35:42

That's it.

35:43

That's probably why the banging never got bad here, because

35:45

them dudes came out here with money.

35:47

Nah.

35:47

They would just come out here and late, they would come

35:49

out here to the West Side and they're laying the project

35:51

and they just la and we respect that.

35:54

But at the same time, it was so much

35:56

money the actual banging thing.

35:59

It was about money more what they was about banging.

36:02

Yeah, you don't come away out here though, bang.

36:04

You come here to get some money.

36:05

So that's what everybody was on.

36:07

We always had that conversation, like I know, like in

36:09

summer vacation, that's the conversation.

36:11

It's like a hostile takeover.

36:13

But I would imagine most of the things that

36:15

happened wasn't really hostile. You

36:17

come to somebody with an opportunity for them,

36:19

especially in Atlanta or Georgia,

36:22

probably in the eighties when the property was still

36:24

like Georgia, I remember Atlanta. I

36:26

remember somebody was like, when I got something that's gonna

36:28

get you five hundred a day, that's life

36:30

altering money, so

36:33

you ain't got to fight.

36:34

Nobody was like all ten of

36:36

us because Georgia tech was really

36:38

tech Wood.

36:41

That was the project, that whole all

36:43

the way.

36:44

From the middle of downtown all the way

36:46

back to this side, that was the project.

36:48

So you talk about tech Wood, that's interesting.

36:50

I've been watching the BMF,

36:52

you know, the whole little meets Ning with his son and everything,

36:55

and they mentioned tech Wood in there.

36:57

Because tech Wood was like four

37:00

cities inside of one place.

37:03

For it was like for Atlanta's, but it was

37:05

all project.

37:06

Was there really one dude from Atlanta to try to hold

37:08

them dudes out for the longest, Yeah,

37:10

because they said it was.

37:11

It was a dude named Terry White used to run that.

37:14

That's probably who they talking about.

37:15

That's one of to do. He was even the first.

37:17

He was the first dope.

37:18

But that they caught in Atlanta that had a million

37:20

dollars in the wall like he he

37:22

had been doing.

37:23

You know, you know what he was real man.

37:26

Back at home, my

37:28

cousin j T, you know, j T was

37:30

j T was a ball like

37:32

like my cousin, so he really got

37:34

busy. But I knew

37:37

enough real drug dealers

37:40

all that. Like you know, no, this

37:42

ain't no distant ross. But you know we talked about

37:44

all the stuff he do. How

37:46

new dudes that really was balling. They

37:49

didn't carry theyself like that.

37:50

They was very low key.

37:55

Who was walking around their motherfucking

37:57

work suits and ship driving bucket

38:02

pull.

38:02

Up at the crib.

38:03

Nigga got the cleanest low wider in

38:06

the garage and all kind of ship.

38:08

But when you see that nigga on the street, you'll be like

38:10

this niggas thinking about me and Jay

38:12

and all them. I don't That's.

38:16

I think niggas got the game fucked

38:18

up because because

38:21

of hip hop, hip popp is black flamboyant

38:23

jip Poppas is in your face.

38:25

You know, look at me, look at my chains,

38:28

look at my shoes. Streets is

38:31

like that l A Streets.

38:33

That's what I learned when I got to l A the

38:35

first time we got to l A

38:37

Street, I just.

38:38

Want to see somebody in the two extra.

38:40

He probably figured coping.

38:42

Up to my son.

38:43

He got those rules from Mike Casseiff

38:45

Jonah. As soon as we got to l

38:47

A, they brought us to Mike casseff Jong

38:49

house and he told us the rule, no

38:52

jewelry, no colors, and

38:54

stay with stay with Scottie Spencer.

38:58

That was That was the three things he told us.

39:00

Yeah, your school never had a problem,

39:02

got to spend some Scotty moved us around

39:04

l A like we went everywhere.

39:06

And you y'all still got that past the day in

39:08

that way because l A love goodie man, that

39:10

ain't even a past. That ain't

39:12

a past. Nigga citizen.

39:16

Like you would like the citizen.

39:18

Yeah, like you was citizen. Give

39:21

us. I'm part of im, part of

39:24

I'm part of all.

39:25

As soon as you jump off the plane, boat

39:28

or whatever, nigga's gonna stick you up.

39:30

Niggas. And but he look like

39:32

you got some money. We just want

39:34

some if you.

39:35

I mean the flash the flashes, l A, dude,

39:37

that I meant back then, ship Mac

39:40

ten Mac

39:42

Tim he was flashy l A out

39:44

here, hear him because coming

39:47

out here, you know, he was coming out here doing the

39:49

t B thing.

39:50

So I knew about

39:52

that. My nigga, nigga, my nigga,

39:55

my nigga, Mac you know he

39:57

was doing something I think about

40:00

I think they was out there doing something.

40:01

Who knows whatever.

40:02

Nigga, my nigga Mac, he gonna pull up today

40:05

in the rolls, they're gonna

40:07

jump out that motherfucking tomorrow he gonna pull

40:09

up to the same spot in the and

40:11

then the next day he's gonna pull up to the same spot

40:13

in the jag or he on the Harley.

40:15

You know, he

40:18

didn't.

40:18

Know, man, never know that you could like you can't

40:20

do that in there. Like so like we're

40:22

gonna carry the l A. We're gonna think that

40:25

niggas is just as it is dangerous,

40:28

you know, wherever you go as as you niggas

40:30

in l A, I'm not gonna try.

40:32

To do it.

40:32

So where you So Mac wasn't socializing

40:35

where it was a bunch of poor people that okay,

40:38

in the city, Mac is gonna were

40:41

gonna see that the lake when everybody used to go to lake

40:43

with them. But it's a lot of rich

40:46

you know people that there definitely you know, you talk

40:48

about some money,

40:51

so you know what I mean, it's different if he if

40:53

you the first he did the boulevard

40:56

was deal. That was the first

40:58

person I saw.

40:58

Do that something t like so mac he

41:01

had to already have done some Reconnaissanse

41:03

of Scout, and he did his homework to know.

41:05

Where he could do that or not do that at because

41:07

I can't. I can't.

41:09

I wouldn't try to do that nowhere. No, like just for

41:11

where we're from, like I just know what that.

41:13

Now we had I heart in the middle of Atlanta, and I'm

41:15

not finna come up here. I know.

41:16

I ain't gonna tell you the ice tea was the only

41:19

one I saw like that when I first hear La, like

41:21

the first person I saw on sunset in

41:23

the drop Top Point that was just.

41:25

Like that when we didn't go to sunset

41:30

first.

41:31

Want to tell you he knew where to do everything.

41:33

That's what I'm saying, Like I'm trying to let y'all know, like

41:35

that where we just just this

41:37

gangster chronicles, like not that it's gang banging,

41:40

but it's it's it's like we just we

41:42

just knew like we we like

41:45

like hey said, like niggas doesn't leave their neighborhood,

41:48

like their whole life, their whole world, Like he won't

41:50

even go to the beach. The beach is eight minutes of work

41:54

from anywhere, like like y'all go to the beach,

41:56

like no know, Like that's that's the

41:59

show lines of it that insane, like

42:01

say, like where you going

42:06

exactly? Yes, so so as far

42:08

as having money and all that inflexing and floss

42:10

and that's like you.

42:11

You you teasing niggas, like you

42:13

teasing wolves and that.

42:15

But you do it the way we do it, and then

42:17

the place you do that is on the bottom. Yeah,

42:20

where everybody is doing it.

42:23

I got those rules from from niggas

42:26

before me. It's like you,

42:28

we're not flossy. We're not

42:30

flossy.

42:30

We don't talk.

42:33

I don't like to be exposed when

42:35

I'm in the business of trying to make money

42:37

illegally.

42:39

Everything was quiet on you

42:42

one as much quieter.

42:43

Do you think this is a question because I always

42:45

asked still this.

42:46

Do you think that mentality kind

42:48

of made it a much more challenge for

42:51

you and cam like in the business because you like,

42:54

if you look at art, because I have the same problem

42:56

you all have, right everybody. I knew that

42:58

I knew about three or four people with a million dollars

43:00

personally, but I can't none of them wore

43:02

jury. None of them wore nothing. They just had the

43:04

money. They had some cars. It's gonna

43:06

have like being hommy gonna have the rag. Sixty

43:09

one got that, he got

43:11

the cabriole cut you want.

43:13

You know, he had it right, And I helped

43:15

some of them. Count Pluck had trade,

43:18

you know what I mean. And the Berdman that was a little too

43:20

new.

43:21

Why are you in this? It's kind

43:23

of new, you know what I mean.

43:24

So like the guys,

43:27

I knew that had the money, but do you think it made it

43:29

more of a challenge coming in hip hop because hip hop

43:31

is built.

43:32

On that New York premise of flossiness.

43:34

So that's it exactly what A said, like

43:37

West Coast do even with scrapping, a beefing

43:39

or whatever, like we're not gonna talk about We're not gonna

43:41

tell you about it. But hip hop, especially

43:44

East Coast, basis is talk talk talk.

43:46

Everything is the gift the gap and I'm gonna

43:48

popping. I'm popping my verbals like la

43:51

niggas is the opposite of that, like you're gonna do it?

43:53

Oh, like oh he gotta get mad, don't

43:55

say you know what I'm saying. It's feeling

43:57

like surprise nigga. You know, I did an interview

44:00

and they was asking Glass show. You know, they was asked

44:02

me about dot right.

44:03

You know they know boy, They like yeah,

44:05

you know if he got you in it. I said, well, I'm

44:08

a dis nigga and get this out shute and

44:10

well you don't just keep it hip hop. That is hip

44:12

hop here. Yeah, you know what I mean.

44:14

I think you said disrespectful

44:17

things about my mother. We're

44:19

supposed to pull up.

44:20

I don't know any other way this is supposed

44:22

to happen. Yeah, so all that.

44:25

Let me say something in the trio l

44:28

A hip hop well.

44:29

For business, business people

44:31

scared to invest. But but

44:34

pop that was the worst thing in the world.

44:36

Biggie and Pop.

44:37

That was the worst thing world to happened to West

44:39

Coast, West coast hip for

44:42

the South because they was like, we got

44:44

to go find somebody else.

44:45

These niggas is tripping.

44:46

And it was great for the It was

44:48

great for the what I call the sing

44:50

songy era at

44:53

in that era to where they

44:56

were frightened to deal with l A

44:58

niggas because we already had the

45:00

bad reputation from the gate

45:04

gang bangers. You did me that's

45:06

that just we saw a

45:08

lot of people up because of the fact

45:10

that niggas was gang bangs.

45:12

I'm saying, so, yeah, you played

45:14

the rowing and.

45:15

Biggie's death fucked us up

45:18

because it made the label dudes go, we

45:20

don't wanna fuck with them anymore, right,

45:23

But then it introduced.

45:24

That that era.

45:26

You know, girl, I

45:28

love you and hey, let's go and have let's

45:30

go, let's.

45:31

Go pop Champagnes and Platinum

45:34

rolelegs.

45:34

That's how I felt when I seen Q Dude I'm clubbing.

45:37

I'm like, no, exactly, Like

45:39

it started affecting everybody to

45:41

the fact that niggas.

45:43

Like I say, like, yeah,

45:45

but I seen you sit during

45:48

that Era's great.

45:49

No, it

45:51

wasn't that I didn't want to, but this

45:54

ship ain't working. They're afraid

45:56

of us right now if you consist

45:58

that at that time, oh, they didn't want fuck with us at

46:00

all. That ship, the labels

46:03

did not want to fuck with us at all.

46:06

Nigga who portrayed themselves coming

46:08

from Cali on some neighborhood

46:11

ship, nigga, they started killing everything.

46:13

Death Rock Gone Ruthless couldn't

46:15

get shipped. Any nigga who was speaking

46:18

street Ship when I fucking.

46:20

Game was probably the last one.

46:21

Niggas was nothing each other, you

46:24

know, party and they was

46:26

jewelry cut in and you know there

46:29

was the it was the flash era. You know,

46:31

cash money came out, was bling bling.

46:35

Each other, was kind of holding

46:37

the baby. And I hated

46:39

that man before

46:44

death Row like, you know, everybody used to be the

46:47

Montros.

46:47

But as as far as we win, you know what I mean.

46:49

But when they start going to the Beverly Hills

46:51

Hotel and.

46:53

All that other stuff, it was like, I

46:57

never been there. I ain't never pass

47:01

with them.

47:02

Bro.

47:02

He like, ain't come up to the hotel. I like where. He's like, I'm

47:04

like what, that's out of town.

47:07

That's out of town, you know, like come

47:10

here, Like, hey, you're gonna cross. I'm

47:12

gonna cross one team, talk

47:15

about it. Guess come up there.

47:16

I'm like, you got to send a plane. I

47:20

don't know, you know, a helicomists. Yeah,

47:22

I say, young nigga, I can go nowhere here This

47:25

question forget?

47:27

Can we getting older?

47:29

Right?

47:29

You know, as long as you live, you get older.

47:32

This generation the kids really scared me

47:34

because I be studying music, I making my business

47:36

to know who everybody is, and you

47:39

know, study what they're talking about. There

47:41

seems to be and I

47:43

think this all started with Wayne, you know, with the

47:45

whole lean movement and you know, and he picked

47:47

it up, you know, from the boys in Texas.

47:50

Right.

47:51

So there's a massive opiate

47:53

epidemic right now and hip hop dog and

47:56

nobody is paying attention to it. What

47:59

nobody but but listen, but listen to me. I'm

48:02

listening to what these kids are doing. And

48:04

I counted the references. You know,

48:06

remember I was listening to Detroit stuff you used, like all

48:08

the music. It's like everything

48:11

is murder. It's

48:13

like, you know, don't get me wrong. We talked about

48:15

killing up some shit. You know, I'm talking about the

48:18

you know, you know, so you know

48:20

that, but you can tell it was more

48:22

just in a boastfoot way, right like we're talking

48:24

about we holding some shit down these

48:27

kids right here. Man, it's

48:29

a sense of authenticity dog

48:32

to where it's like I believe these

48:34

little niggas is doing. And then you see the stuff

48:36

that happened with like the little kid of King Vaughn

48:39

down here, but that

48:41

wasn't really.

48:42

Hold I would I would just say this,

48:44

I would just say that a

48:46

lot of them are killers, A

48:49

lot of them, A lot of them, A lot of them are killers.

48:51

Like play with them and you want today

48:53

are killers?

48:54

You know what I mean. That's what you had to have

48:56

on the street here, you know what I mean.

48:59

And the labels started paying

49:01

for that.

49:03

That's the

49:05

labels just start paying for that, you know

49:07

what I mean. Once they understood that kids

49:09

reacted to that, then that's

49:12

what they start paying for. Because when

49:14

you you you got to understand, like Kodak,

49:16

that is a pop star.

49:18

That's a gangst rapper. So

49:21

is it?

49:21

Is it because he wanted to be that? Or they started

49:23

giving him records. It

49:26

might not be the records he make it, but they started

49:28

giving him the records. See, that's the only

49:30

thing that makes us different than all the other people.

49:32

That was probably most successful to us. We never

49:35

accepted them people records and their ideas.

49:37

That's why I think we lived in the greatest era.

49:40

We did it all our own, you know what I mean. And

49:42

I think most of these kids now they manufactured

49:46

at least five five five of those records

49:48

are manufactured. And if the if

49:50

the fixing, then shid the money

49:52

playing, So it don't matter about the rest of the

49:54

stuff.

49:55

You're talking about, and there's no silence, and there's

49:57

no and there's no element of silence to it, and

49:59

it makes me think it like, I go back to the sixties

50:01

when I think about that, right, I

50:03

say, damn, we in the sixties all

50:06

over again with the heroin academic because

50:08

I remember it. I remember

50:10

growing up in Cleveland. I can remember back to when I

50:12

was seven years old. I would walk to the back of our building

50:15

and it was all needles on the ground, a bunch of needles.

50:18

And my mama pupped my ass one day as I went outside

50:20

with no shoes on, and she saw me and it was like a

50:22

panic. She had them saying

50:24

those on them them and

50:26

whooped my ass because you know it

50:29

was heroin, you know heroin. It was needles all up

50:31

and down the street near needles all in the gutter and everything

50:34

else. And I see that right now, man,

50:36

And I think about, like how addictive that

50:38

stuff feels, and it's almost impossible to get off

50:40

of it once you it's really got you, bro, It's

50:42

hard. It's like they keep reintroducing

50:45

the same drugs to us all over again

50:47

in our community. But it's always in a different form,

50:50

and now they dress it up to where it's fashionable.

50:52

Because I remember when UGK and the cast in

50:54

Texas was doing it, it was cool.

50:56

But when Lil Wayne became a pop

50:58

star. I told

51:00

Glasses this, I noticed an increasing

51:03

the niggas. They had dreads and here the niggas walking

51:05

down the street with styrophone cups, even if

51:07

they didn't know what the hell he had. And the niggas had Hennessy

51:09

and everything else in there. But it became

51:12

almost like a culture

51:14

within itself. It's

51:16

like a drug coature.

51:17

Now, like I heard of the biggest drug

51:19

culture is doctor Fauci in there, that f

51:22

d A.

51:24

We just.

51:28

Well, the Faucy situation right

51:30

there just should let everybody know that

51:33

the drug game is the biggest game in America.

51:35

Trill. You you know, Trill, as

51:37

long that we not in on it? Are we in

51:39

on it?

51:42

Slide a bike and.

51:48

Right, and you niggas got going

51:50

on and they all in and they gonna have to worry

51:52

about the police.

51:53

Get and it's it's a different and it's a difference.

51:55

It's a difference. It's like it's like that's

51:58

why everything you understand me.

52:00

Yeah, you

52:02

want to be in mind to Roger, you

52:04

better do some coke, bitch. Get

52:06

that's what's going on, real talk, that's

52:08

what's going on. It's

52:10

even you likeing frit you.

52:12

Like thet tell you the pop a fucking

52:14

po right now and and and

52:16

sniff something right now.

52:19

So yeah,

52:21

but when it was really weed back

52:23

in the days, I'm saying, was it you remember

52:25

it?

52:26

Yeah?

52:26

I remember when Purple first first got orange

52:29

and Purple first.

52:31

Y'all remember the spot they had on NORDR

52:34

Chronic spot three for fifty

52:37

barrel three back

52:40

when we was.

52:41

We so what?

52:42

So tell me what was that week? Because

52:44

I remember the first time we bought some Chronic

52:47

and it was them little Christmas trees in

52:49

the bag.

52:50

We never had anything like that, never

52:53

had.

52:53

In the beginning. It was done.

52:55

But stress you might have you

52:57

a little indough maybe

52:59

some time. The only ones that really pocket

53:01

hoods had the end dog they

53:04

home me on the ninety six in

53:06

Normandy Nail Long

53:08

Drive Don't

53:11

fucking Around Man ninety six and Normandy

53:13

Nigga I was.

53:17

They had the fire. I

53:23

ate don't like stuff like this, but I think we should at

53:25

least touched on it because it's news and was crazy

53:28

that this whole thing that just happened

53:30

to dubad dog, that was crazy. No,

53:33

that's not a current talk dog. Yeah,

53:35

while they were seating them clouds and shouldn't caused

53:38

the instruction. Yeah, they was over

53:40

the Seaton. Did you year about that? They was over the Seaton?

53:42

Who said that.

53:44

They was over the seating the reporters white

53:47

people? M hmm, I'm

53:49

not saying they was. People said that, so

53:53

that wasn't they hold on?

53:55

The white media rebuked that. They said they

53:57

didn't have nothing to do with them seating the clouds.

54:00

All had everything to do with them with them clouds.

54:06

There were alternative news sources to say that,

54:08

and the news try to rebuke it.

54:10

Like I had a real issue with especially us,

54:12

like giving white folks to credit like they're

54:14

the super.

54:15

Scientists god, like they the gods and the weather

54:17

Like now all of a.

54:18

Sudden, anything that happened is hard or

54:20

it's this to see cloud Like

54:23

why why Nigga can't say it's the original man,

54:25

the black man that's doing that. You know what I'm

54:27

saying. Why is the white man got

54:30

the power to fuck up the weather and control

54:32

the weather and shit, and we giving them

54:34

God power. But we're the ones that's

54:36

on the pyramids, were the ones that God couldn't

54:38

make it to the moon, you know what I'm saying. So

54:41

why we can't say, like, no, that's that's black people

54:43

doing that. That's why people doing that, you

54:45

know what I'm saying.

54:45

Why So why

54:47

you think that you know what the

54:51

clouds?

54:51

I mean, that's a science, but you can't

54:53

contruct like how you gotta have clouds to

54:55

see them?

54:56

Motherfuckers?

54:57

Like if it's not no clouds in Dubai, what

54:59

you whatever? You

55:02

come to the ground. Have you been in the Baie before? I've

55:04

been over there, Bro, Do you

55:06

see when you go over there and see it, Bro, you

55:08

would just know that that's like an

55:10

anomaly that was very

55:13

strange. But this was because the way they weather,

55:15

of the way they climb. It was like you would think it would

55:17

be the last thing you would have maggined you Rode. You read

55:19

the Bible before, right, so it's gonna say earthquakes

55:22

and diverse places and weather all kind of shit

55:24

right in New York, right.

55:25

So so that's what I'm getting to.

55:27

So I'm saying, So, so somebody seen

55:29

that ship thousands of years ago. So

55:32

do that mean they seen white people developing

55:34

the technology to make that happen?

55:36

Or is the same people

55:38

like Heart only got came

55:41

online in nineteen ninety eight or some shit ninety

55:43

three or some shit. So what what was what was

55:45

causing all this shit before Heart?

55:47

You know what I think, man, and I'm being

55:49

honest with you. I think

55:51

that we get access to certain

55:54

technology that we steal and

55:56

we try to and we we

55:58

we you know, other people.

56:00

I'm trying always,

56:06

I'm always I'm

56:08

always sitting that there, you know American.

56:11

But you know, because I'm talking about it, right, I

56:14

think they messing with stuff they have no clue

56:17

on. You feel what I'm saying. It's like a little

56:19

four year old coming in there finding your ev YO

56:21

three and now he got it, and everybody

56:23

in the room go get killed because he as soon as he pulled

56:25

that thing to get the bad and every Mike's

56:27

gonna be dead.

56:28

You know what I'm saying to me, I have zero favorite.

56:31

I'm probably the greatest syneg

56:33

in the way. I don't think they went to the moon yet because

56:35

they would have went back. I've been watching

56:37

that. Uh, the boy, the white man

56:39

in South Africa, all that money, he

56:42

ain't got to the moon.

56:43

Still, you know what, I

56:45

think it's a lot of hoax out there. I also think it's

56:47

a lot of stuff that's that's definitely real

56:49

too. Like and

56:52

with the thing I don't see, I think that's just

56:55

that's just a very small symptom. Whatever

56:57

it was, it was out of control.

57:00

Because they be

57:02

able to do that level.

57:05

Because do you know how much? And

57:07

I'm gonna tell you something, and this all coincide

57:09

with something else too, I think it's a bigger player

57:11

at hand. America just

57:14

pulled the most games to move every dog.

57:16

And they pretty much told TikTok, y'all

57:18

gotta sell his mother, y'all get the fuck

57:20

out the country.

57:21

I mean that ain't really gangs of China, but doing it to this

57:24

motherfucker. Ever, you can't use Google, you

57:26

can't use a up three four different things in China.

57:28

China own the motherfucking infrastructure

57:30

of America.

57:32

Yeah, they owned a lot of this.

57:34

So what I'm saying, So I'm saying now they just actually

57:36

tired of getting punked every day

57:40

out the whole time.

57:42

What is it?

57:42

Google? Google is over there.

57:45

All kinds of Facebook ship,

57:48

but they do their thing. But that that's the

57:50

concept of freedom, you know. I mean that that.

57:52

So what y'all think happened over

57:55

there, because I don't want to get away from that over

57:57

in Dubai.

58:01

I just think that man right

58:04

now is changing the

58:06

Earth's natural being. I

58:10

just think that man is just changing Earth's natural

58:12

being, and that's God's reaction to it.

58:15

I think that God is in man and

58:17

man is God. So you know, that's

58:21

you know, me coming from you know why

58:24

the powers that we give

58:26

credit to some invisible

58:29

entity, that's really the power of the original

58:32

man and woman, you know. And when I say original,

58:34

we're not talking about you know, we're talking about

58:36

the people with the melan and you know what I'm saying. So

58:39

we got them natural abilities,

58:42

just the fact that mind over matter exists.

58:44

The fact you can think about a female and you can see

58:46

in blood rushing to your private parts.

58:49

That's mind manipulating

58:51

matter. That's moving matter, you know what I'm

58:53

saying. And we got that outside of We

58:55

got that ability outside of us. But if we poison,

58:58

if somebody didn't fed us the wrong food food

59:00

and calcified our pioneal

59:02

gland and keep us distracted with poisons

59:04

and all of that, then we're not gonna be able to tap into that

59:06

outside ability. But some of

59:08

us have always never lost our outside

59:11

of a buildy. The original people

59:13

that built the pyramids and high

59:15

sciences and all of that, the Dogon tribes

59:17

them as are people. They never

59:19

failed for the poison and the devices

59:21

and all of that.

59:22

That that we didn't fail for.

59:23

So they've been keeping that secret, secret

59:26

society knowledge that high righteous

59:29

gods sign you know, not no God, ain't

59:31

no mystery, got spook fantasy,

59:33

fairy tale. God is the original black

59:36

man. I mean, you know, I got to say what it is black

59:38

people, original indigenous people. All

59:40

people are gods. But you

59:42

could be a wicked god. You can be a righteous

59:44

guy. Yeah,

59:47

So so we don't get it. We

59:49

know harp exists. They can they can cause

59:51

earthquakes, they can cause storms.

59:53

And all that.

59:54

Okay, well that just started in nineteen ninety something.

59:56

Who was doing all the storms before that?

59:59

Us?

1:00:00

You know, our people, I ain't talking about the slaves and mentally

1:00:02

dead with nasses and but our

1:00:04

answers, you know, are are scientists,

1:00:06

our holy white scientists. That's where they got secret

1:00:09

societies from that's that whole

1:00:11

blueprint was was off of righteous

1:00:14

God original circles of scientists,

1:00:16

and they yeah, they just perverted and

1:00:19

they got their wicked scientists called Illuminati

1:00:21

or Satan or Synagogue or Satan and all of that.

1:00:24

So don't don't be.

1:00:25

Quick to give the credit to all this stuff that's

1:00:27

going on to some some pink people.

1:00:30

Yeah, man, it's just a lot of madnes's going

1:00:32

on in the world now, and I'd like to touch some stuff his

1:00:34

are once in a while, you know what I'm saying.

1:00:38

You know, it's my problem, mate, That's

1:00:41

what I'm saying.

1:00:42

Like, it made it hard for me come in in a business

1:00:44

because the people that I thought was the ship

1:00:48

was a representation of the people that I lived

1:00:50

with, thought my older homies to this day.

1:00:51

So it makes it a challenge,

1:00:54

you know what I mean.

1:00:54

And I always knew it would be a challenge coming

1:00:57

into rap still because of the people, Like

1:00:59

people do want to see you gouts. But

1:01:02

that's why I have faith in a lot of the

1:01:04

early West Coast pioneers and all of the stuff

1:01:06

that happened, because they showed that.

1:01:09

That's why hip hop on the West was so successful

1:01:11

because it was for the everyday person at

1:01:15

to be.

1:01:15

It represented the rebellion against

1:01:18

the mainstream machine

1:01:20

like MTVS or whatever

1:01:22

music and whatever entertainment was.

1:01:25

West Coast rap, gangster rap represented

1:01:27

the.

1:01:27

Rebellion exactly because

1:01:29

they hated us and West Coast to

1:01:31

play us. They didn't want to play us. Coachyros didn't

1:01:34

want to play our songs. They really

1:01:36

hated West Coast music. And we

1:01:38

was making a gang of you know, we

1:01:40

were trying to stabilize us ourselves off

1:01:42

that ship.

1:01:43

You give me.

1:01:44

I started rapping because

1:01:47

I wanted to get about the hood. I want

1:01:49

to get up out of poverty. You get

1:01:51

me straight up.

1:01:52

You can make money back there. Did you see

1:01:54

it like that?

1:01:55

But it makes money. I didn't

1:01:57

make money off of around, you know.

1:01:58

I'm saying when you first start rapping,

1:02:00

I can't believe y'all really saw it

1:02:02

as an economic ploy. I

1:02:05

was rich from rapping. Maybe the closest

1:02:07

person would have been easy. I never

1:02:11

like who was rich.

1:02:12

Ice Tea is the only person and

1:02:14

he and you had I'm sure he had heard stories

1:02:16

about him. I heard stories for sure.

1:02:18

Y'all heard, yeah, Ice Tea

1:02:21

And then Tone Low like shouts out

1:02:23

tone, like was the one that kind of like I seen

1:02:25

on MPV and stuff like that. But

1:02:28

on some hood level, like

1:02:30

like A said, we wasn't doing it for money. We

1:02:32

was doing it for females, like female

1:02:34

like if you know, you know females is liking your ship,

1:02:36

you know what I'm saying. So when you

1:02:39

was, we was riding around like like his

1:02:41

first album with One Time

1:02:43

gapping them up and late night

1:02:45

hype and all that, like that

1:02:47

was a hood east side and classic

1:02:50

God.

1:02:51

I don't know what what whether he made

1:02:53

no money off.

1:02:53

Of Honestly,

1:02:57

I got I started rapping because

1:03:00

cause I looked at it as

1:03:03

a way to keep me out of jail or

1:03:05

not getting killed because we

1:03:07

were seriously in the neighborhood. I

1:03:09

didn't know if I was gonna make no money off of this ship

1:03:11

because I didn't know shit off of I ain't no shit

1:03:13

about it. I didn't know shit about technicals

1:03:16

and fucking royal tees and shin

1:03:19

and all that.

1:03:20

Sh All I wanted to do was put a record.

1:03:22

How let niggas know.

1:03:23

About count staying out of jail by doing

1:03:25

doing shows? Like how was you getting money?

1:03:27

How did you see it. No, No, not that.

1:03:29

How did you because that's what I'm

1:03:31

trying to figure out, y'all didn't grow.

1:03:33

The closest person that.

1:03:34

Would have had to have some money that y'all could have

1:03:36

saw would have been probably.

1:03:37

Like iced tea, you know what I

1:03:39

mean?

1:03:40

Or easy maybe easy

1:03:42

when they come to when it came to financials.

1:03:45

If I looked at it, I didn't look at

1:03:47

nobody on the West Coast. I looked at them East

1:03:50

Coast niggas. I looked at niggas

1:03:52

like run DMC and them. Niggas

1:03:54

was nigga. They had Houdini and

1:03:56

fucking run them. Niggas had tours

1:03:59

going through them. Now didn't Did

1:04:01

I think I could make some money?

1:04:03

I don't know. But my

1:04:06

my.

1:04:08

Quest to really become

1:04:10

conscious, most wanted was to let

1:04:13

people know about what's going.

1:04:15

On over here. You get me

1:04:17

over there.

1:04:18

They fun with it.

1:04:19

Nigga.

1:04:20

We got shot at last night, Nigga,

1:04:22

last night three of us went to the holding.

1:04:24

Take me. They act

1:04:26

like they didn't get shot at. That's

1:04:29

the truth.

1:04:30

Yeah, I think they. I think

1:04:32

they figured out it

1:04:34

was something about them figuring out the formula

1:04:36

to We're not gonna

1:04:38

talk about that ship.

1:04:39

But that's what it was. It was more it was more g rated

1:04:42

radio f c C. Like you

1:04:44

wasn't saying certain stuff. You wasn't saying

1:04:47

like West Coast broke that mold he

1:04:49

was talking about.

1:04:50

My point was they was getting shot into.

1:04:53

They fobably. They just knew they couldn't talk about it.

1:04:55

Yeah, they like you get me listening

1:04:58

to run DMC and you heard my d this.

1:05:01

You listen to LLL and you heard I

1:05:03

Need Love on my radio. You

1:05:05

listen to Whudini, you heard

1:05:07

five minutes of funking friends.

1:05:09

You get me.

1:05:11

It was all fun and games. It wasn't. It wasn't

1:05:13

funny games. Even though yeah niggas

1:05:15

rapping and Wootie won't nigga. I

1:05:18

still got to go home tonight when I leave, really

1:05:21

got to drive through Compton. I get on

1:05:23

MARDIQ.

1:05:25

Was the closest thing on from New York ship to

1:05:27

l A. To me, that was that was

1:05:29

like gangs, the shook one.

1:05:30

That that was kind of like didn't look at

1:05:33

never looked at New York rappers.

1:05:34

And like you said, of course they

1:05:37

had to cool.

1:05:37

G raps and there they had to justice

1:05:40

and ship. You know, they had to grind me, niggas

1:05:44

all that ship. But to me, New

1:05:47

York was success. You get

1:05:49

me, because that's what that's what. That was the

1:05:51

mecca of the music industry. So you

1:05:53

have to go there to get your record, your damn

1:05:56

right, shouts out to King T.

1:05:58

So King T to me kind of broke

1:06:00

the mold like Ice Tea

1:06:02

did it in a certain way. But then King T

1:06:05

brought it to King T

1:06:07

kept it home. Yeah, he kept it home because he's

1:06:09

he knew how to speak that lingo. He sounded

1:06:11

like people too. Yeah yeah,

1:06:13

so so shouts south King T. He the

1:06:16

one you know for me

1:06:18

on some street grimy ship it was. It

1:06:20

was Toddy T, mixed Master Spade,

1:06:22

uh, mixed Master

1:06:25

King DJ story, it was all that mixed man.

1:06:29

Crazy.

1:06:29

But this is a real question still you would get in on this. Actually

1:06:33

he wasn't in LA when at

1:06:36

this time, this is early eighties. How

1:06:38

did y'all feel about the rappers rap

1:06:40

disco company?

1:06:41

Right? That's so, that's that's the

1:06:44

cubs. Uh what's

1:06:47

the brother's name? He's

1:06:51

all the real hard times as what.

1:06:54

But they were like the first I don't

1:06:57

call it West Coast hip hop.

1:06:58

I call it hip hop.

1:06:59

On the West Coach, right, that's the song

1:07:01

bad Times that was What's.

1:07:04

Crazy is the

1:07:07

boys from Minneapolis. That was one of the first productions

1:07:10

Jimmy Jame Terry. They

1:07:13

did that.

1:07:14

Then Clidan s Anderson released that record Bad

1:07:16

Times Done. It's that record

1:07:21

that.

1:07:23

Making all the answers to the

1:07:25

East Coast Records. So when they had Rappers Delight,

1:07:27

they came out with that song. It was a song

1:07:29

where it was rapping over the disco sample and

1:07:33

uh, bad Times was a response to

1:07:35

the message.

1:07:35

It was kind of their version of they

1:07:37

were talking about game banging in La.

1:07:40

Let me land on something real quick too,

1:07:46

you know v I P Records. Of course on Big give

1:07:49

Y with vf P Records, Calvin

1:07:51

is h not Calvin,

1:07:53

Cleatans is Clouds big brother and

1:07:56

the rapper Appsode was grandfather, you

1:07:59

know, like record

1:08:01

retail royalty pretty much in l A.

1:08:03

They had stories everywhere at the time when black

1:08:05

retail was really cracking across the country. You

1:08:07

know, he released a lot of

1:08:09

those records. I just found that out. I was talking

1:08:11

to Calvin maybe a month ago and

1:08:14

they was releasing a lot of those records.

1:08:16

What's the dude Snoop got that line from Blood.

1:08:21

What's his name?

1:08:21

You know, I'm talking about the radio activities

1:08:25

there you go.

1:08:26

I don't know, well, how did how did

1:08:28

Joe Cooley and Rode Neil fall in all of that in

1:08:30

l A because they was one of them, the

1:08:32

one that met l Yeah.

1:08:35

That was like that was like in the

1:08:37

beginning of us trying to find our identity

1:08:40

as West Coast.

1:08:43

Yes, because they had finger Ways.

1:08:45

Makes yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, drinks,

1:08:50

but they had finger Ways like

1:08:53

Coolie came in that they messed with.

1:08:58

And all them.

1:08:59

That's when they you know, because

1:09:03

we were trying to to me, I think

1:09:05

we were trying to change our identity.

1:09:07

As far as music.

1:09:09

We had Wrecking Crew, like you said, we

1:09:11

had l A Dream Team, We had

1:09:13

Egypt and then Unknown had

1:09:15

Techno hop. A lot of

1:09:17

our music wasn't

1:09:21

It wasn't even East Coast, you get me.

1:09:23

Because the Egyptian

1:09:25

lovel record.

1:09:26

That's to me that that

1:09:28

was like, that was like the that was like

1:09:30

the hardest record to me. Emma beat Goose

1:09:33

Booms.

1:09:35

Like that was that was that

1:09:38

was I'm gonna

1:09:40

tell you a record that influenced the East,

1:09:43

South and West Coast

1:09:46

every everything early on was the

1:09:48

derivative of Planet Rock.

1:09:50

Well, I think Egyptian Lover for surets Planet.

1:09:51

Rock, you know, came like

1:09:54

the whole thing, the whole vibe. Everything

1:09:57

was like that. Planet Rock was a big

1:09:59

ass record the South of Miami through

1:10:01

a land of the whole Miami Base. And I tell

1:10:03

you all this, Frosty, I'm gonna tell you

1:10:07

you might not this. You knew

1:10:09

what they call Miami Base now, Magic

1:10:12

Mike tell you Mike

1:10:15

J.

1:10:15

Mike used to beat Man, Yeah,

1:10:18

mister Mix always, but Magic might be

1:10:20

something.

1:10:21

I could never understand how

1:10:23

a motherfucker sold so many

1:10:25

records. We was just a fucking PRODUCERO

1:10:28

or whatever. I used to be like this nigga selling

1:10:31

triple flat. Wonder

1:10:33

what you're the Magic Mic.

1:10:35

He was before mister Mix because he's before

1:10:37

two Live Group.

1:10:39

Yeah, Magic Mike was all through the South.

1:10:42

Man, I'm telling you. I used to get

1:10:44

them reports and because it was team

1:10:46

on them reports back then, I used to

1:10:48

be how.

1:10:49

The fuck is a dude doing beats.

1:10:51

Just and and and fucking hip

1:10:53

hop eight O eight party

1:10:55

beat That nigga was selling that.

1:11:00

Because how people wanted to dance?

1:11:02

It all go to people wanting

1:11:04

to dance, and then we start evolving.

1:11:06

All the staffs right, all other staffs

1:11:09

came from it. But that's why

1:11:11

hammer did so good, That's why heavy.

1:11:13

D did so good. When

1:11:16

you could dance to the music.

1:11:18

That's almost kind of the greatest part

1:11:20

of music like that, that pays a life.

1:11:23

And that's and and and that's what's so hard that

1:11:26

I didn't get I didn't get it, but never

1:11:28

I never envisioned myself for writing

1:11:31

let's get it started, or writing

1:11:33

a motherfucking.

1:11:35

Everyone knows pay It's the tempo of

1:11:37

the beat.

1:11:38

It's the closest I ain't got to. It was grills,

1:11:40

yeah, because I'm gonna tell you though, broke sitting

1:11:46

off the closest I got through it. Element

1:11:49

that the South due got dog that we got

1:11:51

away from it. It is that either

1:11:54

way dog, that that that.

1:11:55

Boom, Well, it's it's just a lot more

1:11:57

lower. You were pioneering,

1:12:00

or I would take Nigga slipped Love at eight o eight.

1:12:02

It's crazy, didn't give.

1:12:03

A fuck pioneer in the version

1:12:05

of hip hop that wasn't about this. Oh

1:12:08

yeah, you didn't really chill about Consolos

1:12:10

won. But who do you remember in the eighties that didn't

1:12:13

have music that you party to.

1:12:14

This is gonna suck you up. Who do you

1:12:17

remember in the n W you party to?

1:12:19

W A oh, definitely something dance to and.

1:12:23

Those are dance records. Express

1:12:25

yourself on that.

1:12:27

So think about right too? Is dance wow

1:12:30

thing making all that shit young gim Young

1:12:33

Gim seed.

1:12:35

They didn't make no dance music, but you just

1:12:37

have no hooks like you

1:12:39

really need.

1:12:42

Quick is dance music.

1:12:44

Even the first Doggie style chronic

1:12:47

there was dance songs all that Leon Demi songs

1:12:49

that you party two y'all kind of

1:12:51

pioneered the rap that you're talking about.

1:12:53

You never really chipped off of.

1:12:55

No, I didn't I but what

1:12:58

I did is I heard those

1:13:00

dudes I don't want to do that type of.

1:13:02

Shit since we want to do that. So what

1:13:04

made you on that tip? Like what made

1:13:06

you feel comfortable

1:13:08

when they're doing that? Like because I know that's something

1:13:10

that we grew up listening to. That's like nigga

1:13:13

got to clean up the house on Saturday morning whatever mine's

1:13:16

or grandmama or whatever. But what made you feel comfortable

1:13:18

rapping to that type of beat like

1:13:20

them Slow Gangster beats

1:13:25

because that's hard, that's hard to do.

1:13:27

I felt

1:13:29

that I could be more descriptive

1:13:32

with people. I

1:13:36

wanted people to understand what I

1:13:38

was talking about. You know, some rappers,

1:13:41

you know, you get on you hear them, it

1:13:43

take you about three or four listens

1:13:45

to like, what do you say on that part?

1:13:47

What do you say on it?

1:13:48

I really wanted to explain to you what

1:13:50

was the struggles being in the neighborhood.

1:13:53

So I would only pick sinisters

1:13:56

type slow beats because I said

1:13:58

I could explain myself and

1:14:00

I could get it could hit home to you.

1:14:03

So I think I think more.

1:14:04

It's like how you naturally speak, Like on

1:14:06

West Coast, we speak slow, you

1:14:09

know what I'm saying. So you're gonna pick a

1:14:11

tempo and a vibe like you say sinister,

1:14:13

dark, whatever. But it's gonna be a tempo where

1:14:15

I can naturally speak my natural

1:14:18

cadence, like I'm not trying to

1:14:20

so fast.

1:14:22

You know what I'm saying.

1:14:23

I'm talking about this, how I really this, I ate really

1:14:25

talk. It's how Chill really talks. You know

1:14:27

what I'm saying. Let the beat breathe.

1:14:29

I plattered myself for niggas

1:14:31

like us I didn't really look for

1:14:34

like I need that

1:14:36

song to wear, I'm gonna give me a couple of bitches

1:14:38

freaking in the club, or I

1:14:40

need to get that radio hit.

1:14:42

So I never thought like that.

1:14:44

Man, did you let me ask you this? We

1:14:47

was in Atlanta, dog, I want to get some Atlanta into

1:14:51

right now?

1:14:58

Still is a day it's

1:15:00

in rope on the opposite

1:15:02

the end.

1:15:05

Everything down this way is driven by

1:15:07

the club, or is it still that way?

1:15:09

Always?

1:15:10

It's gonna always be the strip club. That's

1:15:12

the strip It'll always be the strip club. Because

1:15:14

the strip club. You can go in the strip club and

1:15:17

instantly get a reaction for your music

1:15:19

when you can't get that in nowhere else in the country.

1:15:21

Who you're gonna get it from the way the girls vibe

1:15:24

to it because.

1:15:25

It's the girls.

1:15:27

It's like, at the end of the day, like every

1:15:29

big record that come out of Atlanta is because it

1:15:31

came out of.

1:15:31

The strip club because of how the girls dance.

1:15:34

Yeah.

1:15:34

And another thing is because every

1:15:37

time they feel like they control in

1:15:39

one area of Atlanta, then another strip

1:15:41

club to find another hit from the street.

1:15:44

So that's why I say, as long

1:15:46

as Atlanta got a strip club. They'll never

1:15:48

be able to stop the music that we create here because

1:15:50

you don't.

1:15:50

Even have to come in and that's why it's soft. Like

1:15:53

I think that's an advantage because we

1:15:55

used to have a cold club scene in l at

1:15:58

the strip club scene.

1:16:02

To take me to the.

1:16:05

First first person strip

1:16:07

club, What's

1:16:10

corrupt. Cor

1:16:15

Corrupt was the first one to take me to a strip

1:16:17

club in l A.

1:16:18

I was.

1:16:19

I was kind of like, yo, this is different.

1:16:25

It's not lame.

1:16:25

It's just it will remind me more

1:16:27

of a cheetah downtown, you know. Yeah,

1:16:30

like I was, I.

1:16:31

Was kind of like, okay, And then when they put

1:16:33

the one in Hollywood that was kind

1:16:36

of like more black. They were trying to you

1:16:38

know, Cavity was over there, like that was more

1:16:40

black.

1:16:40

But I talked so bad

1:16:43

about strip clubs and prostitutes because

1:16:45

I never saw good ship.

1:16:47

I mean still, I went to mind

1:16:49

me. I was shout out to eat class, right.

1:16:51

I was with the class, and the motherfucker

1:16:53

took me to what's the one that's like a gym.

1:16:56

It's like a basketball gym full of bitch.

1:16:59

That's that's the that's the that's the big one. That's

1:17:01

uh that's a man.

1:17:04

I seen these girls coming down, it's like a wet

1:17:06

house.

1:17:08

Ninety miles an hour eight and stopping

1:17:10

on the

1:17:13

showmanship.

1:17:14

They had that showmanship.

1:17:18

Me.

1:17:19

I was like, Oh, this is

1:17:21

what this ship is about. Then motherfuckers

1:17:23

was doing flips on top of flips.

1:17:28

Flips over

1:17:30

people, over

1:17:32

people. It was like, oh this

1:17:35

is what Oh I

1:17:37

get it, I throw somebody.

1:17:38

Yeah, if you go

1:17:41

to the bar because you're not. Yeah, strip

1:17:43

club scene was like the barb.

1:17:45

It was. It was just to get on for.

1:17:48

Going one going to strip clubs,

1:17:52

like.

1:17:55

That's that's what strepsed. So I never got

1:17:57

into the strip club scene.

1:17:58

You to the first King

1:18:01

and

1:18:03

see how you want you.

1:18:05

I want you a good I want you a good neighborhood

1:18:08

rat nigga. That's just just can't

1:18:11

hear me, man, please king hear they

1:18:13

come off first kid.

1:18:16

That key hearing nigga was even.

1:18:18

But even prostitutes like at home, I'm like,

1:18:20

how could you buy because I guess growing up, you

1:18:23

know on Long Beach or on fig you only seen

1:18:25

strawberry. You didn't see

1:18:28

regular girl.

1:18:29

So I remember when I first started seeing real

1:18:31

prostitute going on, I was like, oh, this is what

1:18:33

people pay for.

1:18:34

Because my whole life I grew up understanding what sugar

1:18:37

freedom, ire can't pay for this.

1:18:38

And Uncle Luke made that made

1:18:41

it look so good back then, like he

1:18:43

he really made it look great.

1:18:44

Uncle Luke was a traveling six

1:18:46

show.

1:18:47

That was Yeah,

1:18:51

that was that was pooring. That was porn.

1:18:57

Yo was out already when the well

1:19:00

was the thing still going on down there?

1:19:01

Freament? Yeah, man,

1:19:04

see them with some Did you ever go to freemik m

1:19:08

you never.

1:19:08

Want to free? Oh?

1:19:09

Yeah, I mean I I that's

1:19:13

man, that's what too short cocaine.

1:19:16

Yeah, that was I watched the ship. That's

1:19:18

a great marketing tool. It was great.

1:19:20

It was great for them breaking out casts

1:19:23

and all the groups down here because like

1:19:25

he said, everything was the

1:19:27

strip clubs and short

1:19:29

nick and ship like that. Now you start

1:19:32

promoting them records and ship won't want

1:19:34

everybody jump on. It was a great

1:19:36

it was. It was a great atmosphere to

1:19:39

It changed his life.

1:19:39

He said, that's why he moved down here. Freaking

1:19:43

He said, man, this is something my.

1:19:46

Homebreak things and ship like thirty years

1:19:48

ago, and he talked about it to this

1:19:50

day.

1:19:53

Swear to god, man, they could talk about.

1:19:55

We were just talking about and he said, Man, did you see

1:19:57

the Freak Nick movie? He said,

1:20:00

oh my god, Man, I remember, Man, we

1:20:02

could jump.

1:20:02

Out the car and walk to Blotch and be

1:20:05

beating because it's just women everywhere

1:20:07

and that all.

1:20:07

Man, I had such a great time. Man, I

1:20:10

hate that I never got back down there, I

1:20:12

said, fucking fifty years old.

1:20:18

It was a lovely point

1:20:21

about hip hop, like how we break records,

1:20:23

right, they break records.

1:20:24

Through the strip club, and when people can't have

1:20:27

a Freak Nick, they could leave without cast a goodie mob.

1:20:29

We had our we had the party scenes

1:20:31

where that's where we was breaking all the records, right, So

1:20:33

that's why all the records did well.

1:20:35

But if you look at like right now,

1:20:37

they still have the strip club and at home obviously,

1:20:39

as were losing more urban and scenery, you

1:20:42

don't have urban clubs or even the clubs

1:20:44

in Hollywood that was being urbanized.

1:20:46

There aren't.

1:20:47

They ain't are as urbanized anymore, so you don't

1:20:49

have a way to break records and some of the that's

1:20:51

why you started.

1:20:52

Guess what social media did they fire fella fil

1:20:54

I was, that's

1:20:57

so sad, you know, his mama, stay in college,

1:20:59

Paul, he didn't come home. Yeah,

1:21:02

Phillips Field because I messed with Philip Fair. He was the

1:21:04

first one to really put us on.

1:21:05

Like he was a real good dude.

1:21:09

So Philly Field was from Atlanta.

1:21:11

His mother here that he ended up

1:21:13

going to test.

1:21:14

Yeah, I think he was in Texas. Mama, stay here,

1:21:17

stay in color Park.

1:21:18

Is that right?

1:21:20

Let me ask it's Philly Field white or black? A Mixican?

1:21:24

It was Spanish probably and

1:21:26

some Filipino in there. Probably. Philly

1:21:30

Field was my boy man. Philly

1:21:32

felt a good catch.

1:21:34

They don't have nobody that could replace Scottie Spencer.

1:21:37

I just think La never gave Scotty Spencer

1:21:39

his roses. He he really

1:21:41

broke a lot of acts in the nineties. Yeah,

1:21:44

like like like he like he walked

1:21:47

us through all the projects and I tell people

1:21:49

the time, like the first time he took us

1:21:52

to watch the first time he took

1:21:54

us and our members walking in the courtyard

1:21:56

and everybody had their doze open their apartments

1:21:59

and they had guns and they and they waist pad and

1:22:01

everybody was tripping and we were kind of like and

1:22:03

you know, you know, Grake came

1:22:06

down there and they said, you know, y'all are the only ones

1:22:08

outside the pop that we play over here. Everything

1:22:11

it is gonna get knocked down.

1:22:16

And watch this good money.

1:22:18

I remember there were two promo tours

1:22:20

that people went on when they came on the West Coast because

1:22:22

I had a record store. I

1:22:24

remember when Cash Money first came

1:22:27

out, Big A had me come up to the

1:22:29

Big Game Underworld Records because

1:22:33

Cash Money. I go up in there and that's when they

1:22:35

really not popping like that. They could the High

1:22:37

record.

1:22:38

This is Big Timers, Yeah yeah, no.

1:22:40

But higher record that just start floating around

1:22:43

Juvenile record.

1:22:43

But I think they was torn off Big Ball because

1:22:47

the Big Timers record came out before Yeah

1:22:49

record.

1:22:52

Because I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you they were coming

1:22:54

out of that BG.

1:22:55

It was the Big Timers first and the Juvenile

1:22:58

that they had the samplers, and

1:23:01

I was tripping off of that High record because I got

1:23:03

like a box of them from cassettes.

1:23:05

Remember the Consetts. They used to have a thirty second snippet

1:23:08

of the single on there, and I was like, this is

1:23:10

a crazy ass sound on the record. I didn't understand

1:23:12

the groove. I was like time huh,

1:23:16

you know, and it

1:23:18

was life And I said, you see it's

1:23:20

dope though, but I remember

1:23:22

that.

1:23:23

Did you really think it was?

1:23:24

I did. I thought it was very unique. I appreciate

1:23:27

it. I thought it was dope for really.

1:23:29

I thought it was dope for real. Man,

1:23:31

I ain't gonna lie.

1:23:33

I got a live it happened, It

1:23:37

had the it did that

1:23:39

flow had it was. It was

1:23:41

different and you know it was different because Jay jumped

1:23:43

on it.

1:23:45

That's how.

1:23:45

That's how you know.

1:23:46

It was just hell enough. And I

1:23:48

think that was a genius marketing scheme

1:23:50

back then because they would put the thirty seconds on the

1:23:52

tape right. It had me intrigued

1:23:54

to where I was looking for that record. I said, what is

1:23:56

this ship coming out? Because I'm not gonna lie.

1:23:59

Baby in them was cool, but I wouldn't. I didn't think

1:24:01

they could wrap.

1:24:03

But Baby was never he never, he never really

1:24:06

wanted to be wrapped. There.

1:24:07

They're they're they're

1:24:09

down south. It's not goodie

1:24:12

mob. Yeah they counts.

1:24:15

Not what he's saying. If

1:24:18

the first thing you heard from cash Money is maney,

1:24:20

just because I just

1:24:23

thought it was just your gone hand over the top.

1:24:25

You heard kind of the producer and there.

1:24:28

But I but I thought at that time when I was

1:24:30

seeing that, I thought that they was following

1:24:33

Fordy and and be legit.

1:24:36

When I was looking at them do that, I was like, you you're

1:24:38

doing Fordy.

1:24:39

You know what I mean? Because it was

1:24:41

just so over the you know, just imagine the first

1:24:43

round. Here I got tiger skin, leopard

1:24:46

seats across my seat, you know what I mean?

1:24:48

They got money to spend when he got

1:24:50

limits limousine out TT

1:24:53

cruiser and you.

1:24:54

Got too much bundy to spin. You

1:24:56

know what I liked about them, see, because you're right,

1:24:58

they was kind of shiny.

1:25:00

But they used to treat the cards like

1:25:02

they was hood cards, like they didn't

1:25:04

have no First off, they didn't dress European.

1:25:06

They didn't have no European fashion.

1:25:09

Shirt, big

1:25:13

ass steel T shirt had.

1:25:18

And then they whipping a Ferrari like it's a regal.

1:25:21

Like these niggas gratisation why

1:25:24

they mistreat me.

1:25:25

But I didn't

1:25:27

feel about them. Once I started seeing the

1:25:29

visuals, I started appreciating

1:25:32

them more and I started really paying attention to the beasts.

1:25:34

Because I always thought Manny Fresh was a monster.

1:25:36

I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't in love

1:25:39

with the reps. But I'm a big sound

1:25:41

I'm a I'm a big sonist guy, and

1:25:43

I was like, these beats is hard the motherfucker

1:25:46

because they were so different.

1:25:47

Dog, I was like, damn yea, they was different. Yeah,

1:25:50

all he was a great he's

1:25:53

a good boom.

1:25:54

To tell you all right now, I'm gonna tell you all the

1:25:56

cat I heard from New Orleans and

1:25:58

he DJ quicks cuz, you

1:26:01

know, shout out the recipes to Jackie. I don't know for

1:26:03

if anybody knew Jackie she passed away. Yeah,

1:26:07

yeah, you know Jackie man,

1:26:10

he heard that made me sad. She was cool because

1:26:12

her her dude Darrel at the time, he

1:26:15

was the one that got me the little situation up

1:26:17

that that you know, I ain't.

1:26:22

Cut him off something.

1:26:25

Did you see checks with me on the side, And

1:26:27

that's

1:26:34

gonna do with the record deal. But you

1:26:37

know, well, y'all cool, She

1:26:42

was cool.

1:26:43

People.

1:26:44

We had a cousin from New Orleans that

1:26:47

was probab to get on. He was a producer. He

1:26:49

had them different kind of beats like they had

1:26:51

that was kind of like like that bounced

1:26:53

to him. And he had this one

1:26:56

where the bombs wrapping like that.

1:26:59

It was hard to me.

1:27:01

I had a song called and the Heat of the Night on that dog

1:27:04

I can't find that tap nowhere. Quick's

1:27:07

family got a lot of talent. Dog mm

1:27:10

hmm. Well Quick is definitely a different monster.

1:27:12

All for the Money was a big record with't

1:27:15

no hook.

1:27:18

Because all what All

1:27:20

for the Money? I gotta get my mind, so I'm gonna take yours. That

1:27:22

was the first hook I started writing.

1:27:25

I'm gonna take your But that record just feel

1:27:27

good. That record felt like cool as ill you know the

1:27:30

music.

1:27:30

We keep talking somewhere along

1:27:32

the line, I can't get this through to anybody

1:27:35

hip hop. We don't care about

1:27:37

you. You don't care about

1:27:39

the MC. See I get it that because it's

1:27:41

the MC moment to matter at

1:27:47

one thing about one of the music

1:27:50

was always top tier.

1:27:56

Hold on one thing, we tripping man. When

1:27:59

we talk about all music, we have

1:28:01

to talk about the man that was responsible

1:28:04

for just some of the greatest music.

1:28:06

Fucked us off because some of the greatest music coming

1:28:08

out ever, the Dungeon fam Weak

1:28:12

Away. When

1:28:15

I first heard the music, every

1:28:17

great movement we talk about that has been driven

1:28:20

by a producer comas most wanted

1:28:22

DJ slip. You know what I'm saying,

1:28:24

moretown cash money,

1:28:26

many fresh the Dungeon famly

1:28:30

Rico.

1:28:33

Give us some words.

1:28:38

I've been seeing him since we was in middle school.

1:28:40

Man the man, the man been

1:28:43

everybody's father since

1:28:45

middle school. Like man driving his

1:28:48

own car in middle school, you

1:28:52

know what I man Like, He's always

1:28:55

been a leader, and it was always just him,

1:28:57

his mother and his two sisters. And

1:29:01

when Ray from Organized

1:29:03

Noise, when him and Rik met, that completed

1:29:06

Organized Noise because Sleepy was.

1:29:08

Already with Rico and.

1:29:13

Rico man like, but

1:29:17

he was getting his like even in the nineties

1:29:20

before people knew us, Rico always was getting

1:29:22

his own clothes made, like, he had

1:29:25

his own cars, like, he was

1:29:27

getting his cars done special.

1:29:30

Like he was doing everything that only

1:29:32

kids that was more advanced was doing,

1:29:34

you know what I mean. And it's like when we moved

1:29:37

from the projects to the house in

1:29:39

Lakewood, he didn't lead a project

1:29:41

till we found our cast. When

1:29:43

he found our cast, he moved us into a house.

1:29:46

And when every night dog at this man

1:29:48

house, you would have cars all

1:29:51

the way down the street every night, and his

1:29:53

mom and his sister was in the house while we was

1:29:55

creating all these records. It's

1:29:58

you know, so we we've

1:30:00

never seen nobody as selfless as

1:30:02

them.

1:30:04

That's dope. So let me pickure this because you know

1:30:06

what, I always thought Rikaway

1:30:08

was older than y'all, and it makes sense because

1:30:10

it just seemed like he carried himself like that way.

1:30:13

So he was a little kid pretty much and took

1:30:15

y'all in and said we go create this movement.

1:30:17

Yeah, all of us are the same age. That's

1:30:19

crazy, man.

1:30:20

The only one that the leaders

1:30:23

that the elder is like Ray Ray

1:30:26

Murray him is sleepy. They're the oldest, you

1:30:28

know what I mean, out of organized me

1:30:32

Reek. Yeah, the

1:30:34

rest of us probably Kujo Timo.

1:30:36

All of us the same age. The babies

1:30:38

are ce Low three thousand

1:30:41

and big boy, those are the babies,

1:30:43

you know, I get on the Future

1:30:46

was the baby baby under them, you

1:30:48

know what I mean.

1:30:49

Future wasn't even rapping your meat head then.

1:30:51

So you know, like he

1:30:54

actually coached us.

1:30:56

Bro and I had the conversations

1:30:58

yesterday. I said, brother, you understand that at

1:31:01

the end of the day, they did

1:31:04

exactly what they said they were gonna do for

1:31:06

us because we was peers

1:31:09

even though once they success came, he

1:31:11

never turned around and said we're under y'all

1:31:13

or y'all under us.

1:31:15

He lost.

1:31:15

They deal at the face because

1:31:18

he wouldn't put our cares in Goodie.

1:31:20

Marb and slave papers.

1:31:22

So what he said, he said, check this out, we

1:31:25

family, before we put you in slave

1:31:27

places, slave papers.

1:31:29

I'll let y'all go.

1:31:31

He let us go, He let our cares

1:31:33

go, and he let Goodie Marb go. He

1:31:36

never owned our publisher, He never owned our

1:31:38

name for us to come

1:31:40

to the end of this for

1:31:44

our kids. Our kids eat

1:31:46

off our music. He

1:31:49

never did what

1:31:51

them people wanted him to do. He

1:31:53

never That's the reason why they didn't

1:31:56

like Rico. Carico would not be

1:31:58

into what all everybody did to

1:32:00

their groups. They didn't do Shure,

1:32:03

they didn't do Puffy. They wouldn't do none

1:32:05

of that. Before I do that to my to

1:32:07

my family, I'll let you go. And

1:32:10

that's why they hated Reek because they said,

1:32:13

Bro, you could have been like doctor

1:32:15

Dre. You could have been like Puff.

1:32:18

You could have owned the outcare right

1:32:20

now, own three thousand, owned

1:32:22

Sea Lord. But if he had owned us, it

1:32:24

wouldn't have been on nass barklay it

1:32:27

wouldn't have been none of that. It wouldn't have been no gift

1:32:29

with Nelly, you know what I mean. So

1:32:32

even though he let us go, he

1:32:35

also gave us the freedom to

1:32:37

always be able to come back home.

1:32:40

We never got into it over

1:32:42

this business. And

1:32:45

that's why he can die.

1:32:48

And have a statue.

1:32:52

Man. Man, man

1:32:56

he did, he did. He did, Man, he did,

1:32:59

he did. He unthinkable, He did

1:33:01

the unthinkable. Brother he did.

1:33:03

He want the music, he never

1:33:06

he never did it, you know, I mean, he never

1:33:08

did what they wanted to wanted him to do, and

1:33:11

that's why they were They would hated so much

1:33:14

because New York wanted them to crucify.

1:33:18

You know that, Jimmy Ivins wanted them to.

1:33:20

That's the intent they have. You

1:33:22

give me fuck your brother over

1:33:25

so you could be successful. And then

1:33:27

they don't understand that that riff last

1:33:30

so fucking long you can never

1:33:32

get it.

1:33:33

Still got my puff.

1:33:35

He walked away, He walked the way he

1:33:37

walked, he walked, and it.

1:33:39

Makes it to where you don't even enjoy. That's

1:33:42

when he stopped. Because I heard you talk about

1:33:44

it, and I remember you're thinking about

1:33:46

finish.

1:33:47

No, I'm just saying that that's what he

1:33:50

That's what made him walk away, Like

1:33:53

you know, you walked away from Jimmy Ivian

1:33:56

twenty million dollars on the table.

1:33:59

He walked away.

1:34:01

Before as slave.

1:34:02

My partner is man I walk away.

1:34:05

So that's what people

1:34:07

don't understand about them, is that organized

1:34:10

noise did what we said

1:34:13

when we were eating chicking out the box to

1:34:15

when we got him start going to five star restaurants.

1:34:19

Now think about it. His cousin

1:34:21

DJ, he was a producer.

1:34:23

That's who did Black Ice, That's

1:34:25

who did a lot of the outcasts U

1:34:28

storytellers with Slick Ricked. That was DJ. That

1:34:30

on ain't cousin, come on there, get you

1:34:32

something, do it?

1:34:34

You do it, you get your money. You know what I mean?

1:34:37

He never did. He never took He

1:34:40

never took man. And that's what make

1:34:43

Rico who he is. And

1:34:45

that's the reason why I feel like even now,

1:34:48

it's like we have to

1:34:50

learn how to deal with each other the

1:34:52

same way.

1:34:53

We do it when we broke.

1:34:55

When we get rich man, that's our

1:34:57

problem.

1:34:57

We get rog and then we start cutting

1:35:00

all the folk act

1:35:02

like we act like.

1:35:03

Them, and we can't do

1:35:05

that.

1:35:05

Bro I know this

1:35:08

man.

1:35:09

Every executive puts that bug

1:35:12

in your ear, and ironically that's how I

1:35:14

lost my job of mind the music. I

1:35:17

wouldn't. I wouldn't. I

1:35:19

wouldn't put too much under one of

1:35:21

those things. After the ice cream things, I record.

1:35:24

He was up for a new deal and

1:35:26

they wanted to do something like a fifty year

1:35:29

deal man a code, But I said, that's a legal.

1:35:30

You can't do that.

1:35:32

Ain't nothing the legal in the music business. I

1:35:34

say, I said, how can you do that this man and never

1:35:37

get his music back? Like he'd never get his stuff

1:35:39

back care.

1:35:40

We talked about that, and that's what I was saying to you.

1:35:42

I remember telling me about that, and I wouldn't listen. I

1:35:44

was like, damn, that shit is crashy.

1:35:46

Well, he let me run down the list

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Man Unknown got as published.