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From The Australian, here's what's on the front.
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I'm Claire Harvey, it's Monday, May 27. An
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embarrassing defence secret is out in the
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open. Australia had almost no
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submarines available to defend the country between 2009
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and 2012, even
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as China was aggressively expanding
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its navy. That's an
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exclusive live right now at theaustralian.com.au
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Missing mother Bronwyn Winfield was given legal
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advice just before she disappeared in 1993,
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but she was entitled to a
0:42
significant share of assets from her
0:44
failed marriage. Husband John
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Winfield was the last person to
0:48
see Bronwyn alive, but he
0:51
says she chose to leave him
0:53
and their young daughters. He's never
0:55
been charged and denies any wrongdoing.
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It's all part of the gripping
1:00
cold case being investigated in The
1:02
Australian's new podcast Bronwyn, available now
1:04
at Bronwyn podcast.com. Compulsory
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national service for all 18-year-olds.
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That's the bold policy UK Prime
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Minister Rishi Sunak is staking his
1:18
future on. It's the
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billionaire versus the silk, as
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Barista Kiyostama tries to bring
1:24
labour back. Stay with us. Over
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the next few weeks, I will
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fight for every vote. I
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will earn your trust. Standing
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outside 10 Downing Street, getting soaked
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in the rain, stoically refusing to
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hold an umbrella, or even wear
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a raincoat. That's the
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image Rishi Sunak created for voters as he
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announced Britain is going to the polls on
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July 4. It's
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his bid to extend the
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Conservatives' 14-year reign for one
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more term. got
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drenched, a nearby loudspeaker started
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playing the opposition's anthem. Things
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can only get better. China
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is looking to dominate the 21st century
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by stealing a lead in technology, and
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migration is being weaponised by hostile
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states to threaten the integrity of
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our borders. You
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might have thought sopping Sunak looked
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resilient, or just a bit
2:27
of a drip. I have
2:29
to say I took the slightly more conventional
2:32
view that whoever in Rishi
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Sunak's communications team didn't bother to
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look at the sky or their
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weather app should be sacked. Richard
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Ferguson is the Australian's national chief of
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staff. As you can hear, he's also
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a Scotsman, and he's spent a
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lifetime immersing himself in British
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politics. That
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would have worked that scene of him in the
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rain if it had been a stronger speech, but
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it was not a strong speech. He was pretty
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flat, he looked like a dejected man who knew
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he was going to lose an election on a
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landslide. People in his cabinet
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had no idea he was going to call
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an election, and it was a surprise he
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called it considering he's about 14 to 20
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points behind in the polls. Richard
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is a politics junkie, and he likes
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things to be done properly. So he was
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horrified when it emerged over the weekend Sunak
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had broken the first rule
3:23
in political campaigning, racing. He
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had taken a day off to which the jork
3:28
had become, well this might be a bad day
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for Labor because Rishi Sunak is an oak campaigning
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making mistakes. He's had
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a tough first week. He was photographed
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in front of an exit sign. He
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visited the shipyard where the Titanic was
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built, prompting lots of gags about sinking
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ships. And he watched
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scores of his own MPs quit.
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Tonight, one of the Prime Minister's
3:51
most senior cabinet ministers is calling us today.
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Michael Gove, an influential... When Rishi
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Sunak came out with a blinder of
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a policy which is compulsory national... service
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for everyone aged 18 in Britain. Basically they
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will get to choose between 12
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months in the military or they're
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weekend doing volunteering, firefighter, ambulance,
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that kind of thing. So
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that would be the first time since the early 50s
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that they'd have national service. I
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mean he needs something so he might as
4:20
well try a couple Hail Marys. The
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other idea Sunak really needs to
4:25
work is migration policy. He
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wants to send illegal immigrants who attempt
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to enter the UK via the English
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Channel to Rwanda. Rishi
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Sunak himself on day one, which doesn't
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help his bad campaigning streak, said that
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there would be no flights to Rwanda
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before July the 4th when the election
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will be held. He says it will
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only happen if a Conservative
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government wins. So he won't have
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the image of sending anybody off.
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But the problem he was going
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to have is what if flights
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left in September to Rwanda but
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the small boats just kept on
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coming across the English Channel. He
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couldn't risk the policy being
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seen as a failure. There
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have been five Conservative PMs
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since 2010 and they've instituted
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immense reforms through education to
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health and social policy but
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they've stumbled by seeming entitled and
5:22
out of touch. First
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David Cameron who gambled and
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lost on Brexit, Britain's departure
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from the European Union. Cameron
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called the referendum pleading with
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Britons to stay in the
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EU. The British people have
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spoken and the answer is we're out. And
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I think the almost seven years of
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his premiership were kind of
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thrown away in that one instance. Cameron
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quit and Theresa May stepped up.
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But May was slow to respond to the dreadful
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2017 Grenfell Tower
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public housing fire where
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72 people The
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warnings this building with a fire
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trap apparently went unheard, but it
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was impossible to miss the screams
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of those begging to be saved from it.
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And she couldn't get her own MPs to
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agree on how the EU break up
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should be handled. She
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just didn't have the charisma and she didn't have
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the control of her party to succeed and
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it was left to Boris. Boris,
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the brilliant, deeply flawed
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scruffbag who had successfully convinced
6:37
the British the EU was to blame
6:39
for all their problems. He
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was definitely the most consequential of those
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five Prime Ministers, Claire, and
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probably the most consequential Prime Minister.
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Definitely since Blair, although you could make a
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very strong argument since Thatcher, he
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got them out of the European Union, he
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led them through the coronavirus pandemic. I
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think there's no doubt that Boris Johnson had
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extraordinary leadership when it came to backing Ukraine
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in the months leading up to the war.
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This hideous and barbaric venture
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of Vladimir Putin must end
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in failure. Boris Johnson
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is a hero in Ukraine, and rightly so. But
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then there was the other side of Boris, Claire. There
7:19
was the struggle with the truth. There
7:21
was the chaos. During
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lockdowns it turns out that his entire
7:31
staff in Downing Street were constantly having
7:34
parties when other people couldn't go to
7:36
the funeral of their parents. Mr
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Speaker, I want to apologise. His
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operation was chaos and
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so he was steamrolled by his
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party. Basically, he was only left with a couple
7:48
of ministers and he had to go. But
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a lot of those ministers now say they wish
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they'd never done it because then they got Liz
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Truss. be
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forgiven for saying who? Because
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Liz Truss's prime ministership only
8:04
lasted 50 days and featured
8:06
a wildly ambitious economic plan that
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crashed markets and sent interest
8:11
rates soaring. Perhaps
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her most memorable moment was visiting Queen Elizabeth
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II at home in Balmoral
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and posing for what turned out
8:20
to be the last formal photo
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of the Queen. I think
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there's a great irony clear that the
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late Queen's first prime minister was Winston
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Churchill, maybe the greatest Briton
8:33
who ever lived, definitely the greatest
8:35
British prime minister. You know, the
8:37
man who won the Second World War in Stott Petlar. We
8:40
shall fight in the fields and
8:42
in the streets. We shall fight in
8:44
the hills. We shall
8:46
never surrender. And
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then her last prime minister was
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the shortest serving and probably
8:53
the worst prime minister Briton ever had.
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We import two thirds of
8:58
our cheese. That
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is a disgrace. She's
9:04
written in her recent book that she said,
9:06
why is this happening to me? To which
9:08
point most prime ministers go, well, it's actually
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an incredible opportunity to lead your nation and,
9:13
you know, kind of darkness, but she
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did it very woodenly. She had
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no charisma. She had radical
9:19
policies that most of our party fought
9:21
went way too far. It's okay to
9:24
do Reaganomics if you're the world's currency,
9:26
but it doesn't really work when you're Briton and
9:28
you're about number seven. And
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that led us to Rishi Sunak
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who shares with his wife a
9:35
fortune of just over one billion
9:37
Australian dollars. I
9:39
think that Rishi Sunak deserves a lot of credit
9:42
for fixing a lot of the economic
9:44
mess he was left with by Liz Truss in such
9:46
a short period of time. Inflation has
9:48
come down to target banned just in the
9:50
past week, which is why some people think
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he called this election. It's
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a huge gamble. Will Briton's thanks
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Sunak for fixing the mess or
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punish him for the years of chaos.
10:03
He has a reputation for being
10:05
quite catchy and for not
10:07
really getting why everybody doesn't
10:09
love him. It's just not that
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12:23
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12:30
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12:32
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12:35
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12:37
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while he was battling to get rid of the
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forces of former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn,
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a hardcore left winger who'd promised
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to rip up the Brexit deal
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and nationalise the railways. He
13:00
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13:02
centre, you know, saying that they would
13:05
stick by, for example, Tory spending rules,
13:07
which would lead to some big cuts
13:09
in the future. He's, you know, repaired
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the relationship with business. He has really
13:13
done a fantastic job of making the
13:15
Labour Party an electable alternative
13:17
of the classic centrist kind
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of hot kidding Clinton Blair
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kind of way. Gaza
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has been the big problem for Keira Starmar.
13:27
You know, he has done so much
13:29
clear to try and separate his party
13:31
from the party of Jeremy
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Corbyn, which had some of the worst
13:35
conspiracy theorists anti-semit you could imagine, kind
13:38
of near his centre of power. But
13:41
there's a lot of British Labour MPs
13:43
with huge Muslim constituencies who feel very
13:46
strongly on the issue of Palestine because
13:48
he's so far ahead. It hasn't really been a
13:51
problem in opposition, but I think it will become
13:53
a huge problem for him in government, especially if
13:55
he gets a large majority where he has a
13:57
lot of left wing MPs that essentially are the
13:59
best. act as the real opposition, a bit
14:02
like Tony Blair faced during the Iraq
14:04
War when left-wing MPs were constantly voting
14:06
against him on the Iraq War. But
14:08
he does have this general problem that he's
14:11
basically trying to see nothing in
14:13
order to not scare the horses and get in and
14:15
that doesn't always work, especially in an election campaign. Richard
14:21
Ferguson is the Australian's national chief of
14:23
staff. Thanks
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for joining us on the front.
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