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From the Australian, here's what's on the front. I'm
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Claire Harvey. It's Thursday, May 30. Inflation
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has jumped for a second time, climbing to
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2.6% in April. The
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unexpected rebound has experts worried
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about the government's budget spending
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spree, and it means
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no interest rate cut for a while
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yet. A
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phone has been found in the
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search for missing Ballarat mum, Samantha
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Murphy. She disappeared after going
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for a jog, and a huge search
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by Victoria Police has turned up a
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mobile phone in a dam, close
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to where Ms Murphy's phone was
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last detected. You can read
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that developing story right now at
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theaustralian.com.au. The
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government will ditch a policy that
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was allowing violent criminals to remain
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in the country even after their
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visas were cancelled. So
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will the minister responsible be
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sacked? Stay with us. Booted
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by Border Force, marched to a
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plank. 30 Kiwi criminals
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are today back in New Zealand,
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deported after their visas were cancelled.
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So there's some certain parts of
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Australia's law which are ridiculous. This
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is Australia exporting its garbage to
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New Zealand. Nothing
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enrages New Zealanders like Australia.
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From this side of the Tasman we tend
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to regard New Zealand with benign goodwill. It's
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so pretty. We love skiing in
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Queenstown. Everyone's so friendly. I
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spent five years living in
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New Zealand and quickly realised
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that to many Kiwis, that
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attitude of goodwill comes across
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as just patronising, arrogant, self-centred,
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all the qualities they deserve. dislike most
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about Australia. But
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Australia's prosperity, a golden weather
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and higher wages mean
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we attract New Zealand migrants in
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their tens of thousands. They
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don't need to apply for visas and
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they don't need citizenship to access
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Medicare and other entitlements. But
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former New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern
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had a huge gripe with
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one Australian policy in particular.
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Look I've been absolutely clear this is
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corrosive to our relationship. Starting
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with the Morrison government, Australia
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started deporting foreign-born criminals if
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they didn't have Australian citizenship.
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The idea was if you're not a citizen and
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you commit a crime, you don't get to stay. But
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when Australia started sending Kiwi criminals
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home, Ardern and the New
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Zealand Labor Party turned the issue into a
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vote winner. Countless who have
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no home in New Zealand, they have
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no network, they have grown up in
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Australia, that is their home and that
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is where they should stay. Ardern
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unsuccessfully lobbied Morrison to change
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the law. That's
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what the Australian policy is and
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that policy is framed in Australia's national interest.
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But it was Anthony Albanese's government in 2023
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which agreed to change the policy
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for all foreign citizens, not just
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New Zealanders. Now
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the issue has turned into a
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political nightmare here in Australia. Because
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the Australian has revealed that new directive has
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allowed dozens of violent
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criminals including rapists, domestic
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violence perpetrators and child
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abusers to stay in
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Australia. One woman
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was bashed so hard there are eyelids.
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were cut open and terrible
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crimes against children. Dennis
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Shanahan is the Australian's national
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editor. This is the hard,
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terrible truth and the
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government has had to face this
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and of course once the public
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became aware of this it has
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become a much greater issue
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and Labor overall over
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the last few months has suffered
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a big fall in standing
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in the public eye on its
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ability to handle crime, law
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and order and border protection.
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This has become a real hot
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button issue for the government. Here's
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how it went so wrong. Immigration
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Minister Andrew Giles in response to New
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Zealand's advocacy issued something called
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Direction 99, a new guideline
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for the tribunal that
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considers visa situations the
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administrative appeal tribunal. Direction
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99 says the tribunal must consider
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the depth and duration of the
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offender's connection to Australia as one
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of the factors when making its
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decision. Giles says he
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intended this to be balanced with other
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factors like the seriousness of
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the offending. Problem
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is the AAT in some
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cases has made decisions based
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mainly on the connection
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to Australia part and that's seen
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some serious offenders allowed
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to stay. The
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Australian's Journal Paul Garvey has revealed
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this week the government released this
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policy on International Women's Day to
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show it was taking violence against
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women seriously because Direction
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99 also contained a new
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rule that if an offender
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had committed family violence including
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stalking, coercive control, sexual assault
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or financial abuse that
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should weigh against their visa application.
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it actually helped them stay. And
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what's more, we know from
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estimates committees that the
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Department of Immigration warned
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that this direction would make
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it easier for
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people who had committed
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offences, non-citizens, to remain
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in Australia or get
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renewed visas or not be deported. This
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has been going on close to 18
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months. What's
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your assessment of Andrew Giles, the Minister? I
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think he has been inept from the beginning. He
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has tried to duck and weave. This
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is evidence of his attempting
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or his general reluctance
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to be hard on
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people who are asylum seekers or
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seeking refuge or seeking to stay
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in Australia. This is part and
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parcel of his long history as
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a lawyer. He has said himself
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in Parliament, oh, my department didn't
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tell me about important decisions. And
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somehow he's not responsible. Oh, it's
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an independent tribunal. An independent tribunal
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acting on the actual
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directive, he told them, you have
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to do this. And of course,
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in the end, it's all Peter Dutton's fault.
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And this has been the problem for
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Andrew Giles as Immigration Minister.
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He will not take responsibility.
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Will he have to be sacked? Well, he
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should be. On
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Wednesday, the government crumbled and dumped
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Direction 99, blaming
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the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, which it
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was already planning to replace with
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a different body. The
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new directive will ensure
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that the protection, the committee outweighs
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any other considerations. Rounders on my left, world
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seat. This is what
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we were told it did all along. So
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it is a complete concession of failure.
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It is more evidence, even more evidence.
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That Giles should go. Ultimately,
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the Prime Minister will have
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to do something about Giles
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himself, not just his directive,
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and by then the damage
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will be even worse for
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the Labour government. So
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who's fault? Is this and now
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9:33
you're hitting for an election and
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you bragged about not having to
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lose any menaces. On
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the second anniversary of his election, he
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continued to make the point and he
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put it up as a highlight that
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he had never had to set a
9:48
minister in his first two years. He
9:51
has said this bed Spock. Now if
9:53
he has to sack a minister in
9:55
two years in a week after that
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com look pretty seen it. Shipped
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him, but if you shift same, he's
10:02
gotta have a reshuffle and it doesn't
10:04
particularly want to do that. So labor's
10:06
left with the problem of having any
10:09
Nypd. Minister. In.
10:11
A position he can't handle and
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you will continue to make mistakes.
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Giles already had a migration problem
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on his hands. The schools. A
10:21
stateless detainees released by the high
10:23
costs which said they couldn't be
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held in custody in definitely. Some.
10:28
Had been convicted a serious crimes.
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Since. They release some has
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allegedly committed more violent offenses.
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Flavors. Made serious mistakes over
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immigration and border policy now over
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two decades. Dennis, What's going on
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here. Well. I think
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part of it is because
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of say, ideological position, a
10:49
sympathy with asylum seekers and
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refugees which is fair enough,
10:53
but they position is such
10:56
that it flavors the decisions
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that they might remember. Kevin
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Rudd was elected in two
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thousand and seven after giving
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an interview. With. Me and Paul
11:07
Kelly in which he said he would turn
11:09
back boats and he didn't. That
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was a big failure. Then. They changed
11:13
temperate protection visas. then they
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ended up then with even
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more people coming. Tens
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of thousands of people, including more
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than the thousand who drowned at.
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I do not grasp what having
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a tough border protection actually means,
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not just to a strident or
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to the people trying to get
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here. For some it's life and
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death. They do not appreciate this.
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Ideologically, they can't accept it and
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I try to keep themselves that
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they can trick people like Kevin
11:45
Rudd saying ah yes, I'll turn
11:47
back boats and then he doesn't
11:50
like the current government saying oh
11:52
yes we'll have these tough directives
11:54
and songs and we've also seen
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of course in the last. Few.
11:59
Months. The. Return of
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people smugglers landing people.
12:04
On the North Coast of Australia.
12:06
Now if it is as if
12:08
lie back can't help itself. And.
12:12
They polling is showing. That.
12:15
Not just crime, but border protection
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is coming up as far as
12:19
a major concern amongst the public
12:21
cost of living. Still the big
12:23
game that will be the big
12:25
issue strudel the next election but.
12:28
Border. Protection Crime Detainees
12:30
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12:32
enough quickly enough to
12:35
deal with. Dennis
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