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Is this a dead minister walking?

Released Wednesday, 29th May 2024
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Is this a dead minister walking?

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Is this a dead minister walking?

Wednesday, 29th May 2024
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0:04

From the Australian, here's what's on the front. I'm

0:06

Claire Harvey. It's Thursday, May 30. Inflation

0:13

has jumped for a second time, climbing to

0:15

2.6% in April. The

0:19

unexpected rebound has experts worried

0:21

about the government's budget spending

0:23

spree, and it means

0:25

no interest rate cut for a while

0:27

yet. A

0:30

phone has been found in the

0:32

search for missing Ballarat mum, Samantha

0:34

Murphy. She disappeared after going

0:36

for a jog, and a huge search

0:38

by Victoria Police has turned up a

0:41

mobile phone in a dam, close

0:43

to where Ms Murphy's phone was

0:45

last detected. You can read

0:48

that developing story right now at

0:50

theaustralian.com.au. The

0:54

government will ditch a policy that

0:56

was allowing violent criminals to remain

0:59

in the country even after their

1:01

visas were cancelled. So

1:03

will the minister responsible be

1:05

sacked? Stay with us. Booted

1:18

by Border Force, marched to a

1:20

plank. 30 Kiwi criminals

1:22

are today back in New Zealand,

1:24

deported after their visas were cancelled.

1:26

So there's some certain parts of

1:28

Australia's law which are ridiculous. This

1:30

is Australia exporting its garbage to

1:32

New Zealand. Nothing

1:35

enrages New Zealanders like Australia.

1:37

From this side of the Tasman we tend

1:40

to regard New Zealand with benign goodwill. It's

1:43

so pretty. We love skiing in

1:45

Queenstown. Everyone's so friendly. I

1:47

spent five years living in

1:50

New Zealand and quickly realised

1:52

that to many Kiwis, that

1:54

attitude of goodwill comes across

1:56

as just patronising, arrogant, self-centred,

1:58

all the qualities they deserve. dislike most

2:01

about Australia. But

2:03

Australia's prosperity, a golden weather

2:05

and higher wages mean

2:08

we attract New Zealand migrants in

2:10

their tens of thousands. They

2:12

don't need to apply for visas and

2:14

they don't need citizenship to access

2:17

Medicare and other entitlements. But

2:19

former New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern

2:22

had a huge gripe with

2:24

one Australian policy in particular.

2:27

Look I've been absolutely clear this is

2:30

corrosive to our relationship. Starting

2:33

with the Morrison government, Australia

2:35

started deporting foreign-born criminals if

2:37

they didn't have Australian citizenship.

2:40

The idea was if you're not a citizen and

2:43

you commit a crime, you don't get to stay. But

2:46

when Australia started sending Kiwi criminals

2:48

home, Ardern and the New

2:50

Zealand Labor Party turned the issue into a

2:52

vote winner. Countless who have

2:55

no home in New Zealand, they have

2:57

no network, they have grown up in

2:59

Australia, that is their home and that

3:01

is where they should stay. Ardern

3:04

unsuccessfully lobbied Morrison to change

3:06

the law. That's

3:08

what the Australian policy is and

3:11

that policy is framed in Australia's national interest.

3:13

But it was Anthony Albanese's government in 2023

3:16

which agreed to change the policy

3:19

for all foreign citizens, not just

3:21

New Zealanders. Now

3:25

the issue has turned into a

3:27

political nightmare here in Australia. Because

3:30

the Australian has revealed that new directive has

3:33

allowed dozens of violent

3:48

criminals including rapists, domestic

3:50

violence perpetrators and child

3:53

abusers to stay in

3:55

Australia. One woman

3:57

was bashed so hard there are eyelids.

4:00

were cut open and terrible

4:02

crimes against children. Dennis

4:04

Shanahan is the Australian's national

4:06

editor. This is the hard,

4:09

terrible truth and the

4:11

government has had to face this

4:13

and of course once the public

4:15

became aware of this it has

4:17

become a much greater issue

4:19

and Labor overall over

4:22

the last few months has suffered

4:24

a big fall in standing

4:26

in the public eye on its

4:28

ability to handle crime, law

4:31

and order and border protection.

4:33

This has become a real hot

4:35

button issue for the government. Here's

4:40

how it went so wrong. Immigration

4:43

Minister Andrew Giles in response to New

4:46

Zealand's advocacy issued something called

4:48

Direction 99, a new guideline

4:51

for the tribunal that

4:53

considers visa situations the

4:55

administrative appeal tribunal. Direction

4:59

99 says the tribunal must consider

5:01

the depth and duration of the

5:03

offender's connection to Australia as one

5:05

of the factors when making its

5:07

decision. Giles says he

5:09

intended this to be balanced with other

5:11

factors like the seriousness of

5:14

the offending. Problem

5:16

is the AAT in some

5:18

cases has made decisions based

5:20

mainly on the connection

5:22

to Australia part and that's seen

5:24

some serious offenders allowed

5:26

to stay. The

5:29

Australian's Journal Paul Garvey has revealed

5:31

this week the government released this

5:33

policy on International Women's Day to

5:35

show it was taking violence against

5:37

women seriously because Direction

5:39

99 also contained a new

5:42

rule that if an offender

5:44

had committed family violence including

5:46

stalking, coercive control, sexual assault

5:49

or financial abuse that

5:51

should weigh against their visa application.

6:00

it actually helped them stay. And

6:02

what's more, we know from

6:04

estimates committees that the

6:07

Department of Immigration warned

6:09

that this direction would make

6:12

it easier for

6:14

people who had committed

6:16

offences, non-citizens, to remain

6:18

in Australia or get

6:21

renewed visas or not be deported. This

6:23

has been going on close to 18

6:25

months. What's

6:28

your assessment of Andrew Giles, the Minister? I

6:31

think he has been inept from the beginning. He

6:34

has tried to duck and weave. This

6:37

is evidence of his attempting

6:40

or his general reluctance

6:43

to be hard on

6:45

people who are asylum seekers or

6:48

seeking refuge or seeking to stay

6:50

in Australia. This is part and

6:53

parcel of his long history as

6:55

a lawyer. He has said himself

6:58

in Parliament, oh, my department didn't

7:00

tell me about important decisions. And

7:02

somehow he's not responsible. Oh, it's

7:05

an independent tribunal. An independent tribunal

7:07

acting on the actual

7:09

directive, he told them, you have

7:11

to do this. And of course,

7:13

in the end, it's all Peter Dutton's fault.

7:16

And this has been the problem for

7:18

Andrew Giles as Immigration Minister.

7:21

He will not take responsibility.

7:24

Will he have to be sacked? Well, he

7:26

should be. On

7:29

Wednesday, the government crumbled and dumped

7:31

Direction 99, blaming

7:33

the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, which it

7:35

was already planning to replace with

7:38

a different body. The

7:41

new directive will ensure

7:43

that the protection, the committee outweighs

7:46

any other considerations. Rounders on my left, world

7:49

seat. This is what

7:51

we were told it did all along. So

7:53

it is a complete concession of failure.

7:56

It is more evidence, even more evidence.

8:00

That Giles should go. Ultimately,

8:02

the Prime Minister will have

8:04

to do something about Giles

8:06

himself, not just his directive,

8:08

and by then the damage

8:10

will be even worse for

8:13

the Labour government. So

8:17

who's fault? Is this and now

8:19

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9:33

you're hitting for an election and

9:35

you bragged about not having to

9:37

lose any menaces. On

9:39

the second anniversary of his election, he

9:41

continued to make the point and he

9:44

put it up as a highlight that

9:46

he had never had to set a

9:48

minister in his first two years. He

9:51

has said this bed Spock. Now if

9:53

he has to sack a minister in

9:55

two years in a week after that

9:58

com look pretty seen it. Shipped

10:00

him, but if you shift same, he's

10:02

gotta have a reshuffle and it doesn't

10:04

particularly want to do that. So labor's

10:06

left with the problem of having any

10:09

Nypd. Minister. In.

10:11

A position he can't handle and

10:13

you will continue to make mistakes.

10:16

Giles already had a migration problem

10:19

on his hands. The schools. A

10:21

stateless detainees released by the high

10:23

costs which said they couldn't be

10:25

held in custody in definitely. Some.

10:28

Had been convicted a serious crimes.

10:30

Since. They release some has

10:33

allegedly committed more violent offenses.

10:36

Flavors. Made serious mistakes over

10:38

immigration and border policy now over

10:40

two decades. Dennis, What's going on

10:43

here. Well. I think

10:45

part of it is because

10:47

of say, ideological position, a

10:49

sympathy with asylum seekers and

10:51

refugees which is fair enough,

10:53

but they position is such

10:56

that it flavors the decisions

10:58

that they might remember. Kevin

11:00

Rudd was elected in two

11:02

thousand and seven after giving

11:04

an interview. With. Me and Paul

11:07

Kelly in which he said he would turn

11:09

back boats and he didn't. That

11:11

was a big failure. Then. They changed

11:13

temperate protection visas. then they

11:16

ended up then with even

11:18

more people coming. Tens

11:20

of thousands of people, including more

11:22

than the thousand who drowned at.

11:25

I do not grasp what having

11:27

a tough border protection actually means,

11:29

not just to a strident or

11:31

to the people trying to get

11:34

here. For some it's life and

11:36

death. They do not appreciate this.

11:38

Ideologically, they can't accept it and

11:41

I try to keep themselves that

11:43

they can trick people like Kevin

11:45

Rudd saying ah yes, I'll turn

11:47

back boats and then he doesn't

11:50

like the current government saying oh

11:52

yes we'll have these tough directives

11:54

and songs and we've also seen

11:57

of course in the last. Few.

11:59

Months. The. Return of

12:01

people smugglers landing people.

12:04

On the North Coast of Australia.

12:06

Now if it is as if

12:08

lie back can't help itself. And.

12:12

They polling is showing. That.

12:15

Not just crime, but border protection

12:17

is coming up as far as

12:19

a major concern amongst the public

12:21

cost of living. Still the big

12:23

game that will be the big

12:25

issue strudel the next election but.

12:28

Border. Protection Crime Detainees

12:30

labor still can't do

12:32

enough quickly enough to

12:35

deal with. Dennis

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