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more like the born, supreme

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monkey man. Oh,

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David. Wow. I

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don't feel good about that. I'm sorry guys. Joining

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me today is Devindra Hardwar. Pow,

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pow, pow, banana punch. And

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Jeff Kanata. Monkey C. That's,

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that's, I saw a monkey. I

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was going to do a banana thing, but then

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Devindra did. So I pivoted at the last minute.

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Wow. Still better than Dave's. Wow. I

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was going to say, see, do

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John Wick, more like John man.

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Okay. Anyway, wow. This

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movie is bananas. The movie

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is heavily inspired by John Wick and the board

1:11

movies. That's what I have to say. Okay. All

1:14

right. Anyway, those are very

1:16

painfully vague and oblique references to the

1:18

fact that today on the podcast, we're

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going to be reviewing monkey

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man, the directorial debut of Dev

1:24

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that as well on the after arc. Not

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the first omen. The

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first omen. You already made that joke last week.

2:16

I know but it doesn't ever get tired. For

2:18

the late crowd, yeah. We're

2:21

gonna review the first omen, not

2:23

the first omen. Or the remake of the

2:25

first omen. Yeah. There was a thing

2:28

that happened where the first

2:31

omen and monkey man both have

2:33

posters that feature a

2:35

character standing in a red door. Yeah,

2:37

so it's a big weekend for the

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guys who own the red room photography

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studio. If

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you own the one studio

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in LA that does photography,

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these are red rooms. They

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made a real hard bet on painting

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that room red and then renting it out.

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Yep, man. Making a killing.

3:00

It's a box. It rolled the dice and

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it came up ancient. It's the same. Yeah,

3:04

it's the same as betting on Nvidia five

3:06

years ago. We're buying Bitcoin when

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it was three dollars. We're going heavy on red

3:10

room. Alright

3:14

today on the podcast we got some

3:17

film news to discuss and then some slash

3:19

film court to go over before we get

3:21

to all the watching and then weekly plugs.

3:23

So let's get to it. Let's start

3:25

by talking about a piece of film news. It's pretty

3:27

intriguing. I'm reading

3:29

here from deadline.com new Matrix movie

3:32

in works at Warner Brothers from

3:34

Drew Goddard. Yay. Drew

3:36

Goddard the Oscar nominated screenwriter of the Marcin who also

3:38

directed cabin in the woods has been set to write

3:41

and direct a new Matrix movie at Warner Brothers. The

3:44

franchise's original co scribe and

3:46

co-director Lana Wachowski is executive

3:48

producing. That makes

3:50

me encouraged. Yeah,

3:52

exactly. There's a Wachowski involved

3:54

at some level. Not writing and

3:57

not like beyond that but

3:59

yeah, it's still early. days in regards to

4:01

whether core cast members like Keanu Reeves, Carrie Anne

4:03

Mosk, Lawrence Fishberg, Hugo Weaving, and Jada Pinkett Smith

4:05

are coming back, Goddard will produce with his

4:09

producing partner, Sarah Esberg. And

4:11

here's some quotes that I thought were kind of interesting. Jesse

4:14

Ermin, the Warner Brothers Motion Picture President

4:16

of Productions said, quote, Drew came to

4:18

Warner Brothers with a new idea that

4:20

we all believe would be an incredible way to

4:22

continue the Matrix world by both honoring what Lana

4:25

and Lily began over 25 years ago and

4:28

offering a unique perspective based on his own love

4:30

of the series and characters. The entire team at

4:32

Warner Brothers is thrilled for Drew to be making

4:34

this new Matrix film, adding his vision to the

4:37

cinematic canon that Wachowski spent a quarter of a

4:39

century building here at the studio, end quote. That

4:42

idea, we could make more

4:44

money out of this IP, guys. I

4:46

think it's more like the thing we were talking about where

4:49

he had this idea and he's like, well,

4:51

what if it were a Matrix movie? What

4:55

if my cool sci-fi idea was

4:57

a Matrix movie? And I think

4:59

that's the exciting thing, right? I don't know who else

5:01

I would trust with this franchise other than the guy

5:03

who's written some of the best Buffy and Angel episodes

5:05

and the guy who directed, you know, Kevin and the

5:07

Wits. So I'm super excited

5:09

about that. We can all agree this

5:12

movie 100% ignores the fourth Matrix movie

5:14

and everything it established, right? You

5:16

have to. Oh, it absolutely will. I would predict.

5:19

I wanted to check in with you guys. I remember Devinger

5:21

really liking that movie. That was my number one movie that

5:23

year. Yeah, I love that movie.

5:26

Jeff Kanata, can you remind me what

5:28

your feelings were on Matrix resurrections? I

5:30

was more tepid on it for sure. I thought

5:32

there was stuff that was interesting about it, but

5:35

I felt it was mostly disappointing. Yeah. I

5:37

was also not a fan of many

5:41

reasons that I didn't like it. One of

5:43

was that I don't think the action really

5:45

delivered. I mean... Or there was

5:47

any. Yeah, there was very little action. I

5:51

remember when the Matrix... Every

5:54

single one of those movies was groundbreaking in terms

5:56

of visual effects. Like it was pushing the envelope

5:58

in terms of what... was possible. And I don't

6:00

feel you could say that for for matrix. Well,

6:02

but it wasn't trying to write it was doing

6:04

a whole different thing. Yeah, yeah. And

6:07

I respected for that. And I

6:09

thought, like I said, I think there was

6:11

some very interesting ideas presented. And it was

6:14

not old in a very different way than

6:16

the first three were bold. But

6:18

for me, ultimately, it wasn't particularly

6:21

satisfying. And I, I was

6:23

pretty disappointed. The reason

6:26

I say, though, that whatever comes next could

6:28

easily just keep that established is that it

6:30

just that just like continue the world, right?

6:32

And just set up, hey, there's another rebuilt

6:35

matrix happening. We are more friends with machines,

6:37

like none of that harms future stories. Like

6:39

this is like a

6:41

Star Wars timeline, you know, where you could tell

6:43

stories deep into the future, and just

6:46

reference those things in the past, it could

6:48

it could still be new and interesting. I

6:50

do think that's probably what it's gonna I

6:52

think it's gonna not involve Neo and Trinity.

6:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I

6:58

guess to Vindra in your conception, it might take place

7:00

a long time after it could

7:02

be a matrix or directions. Yeah, or or, you

7:05

know, yeah, long time after the events of matrix

7:07

directions, long time after it could be I know,

7:09

50 to 100 years after, but if

7:12

it's essentially a matrix movie, like the time,

7:14

it could be any time. Yeah, they could

7:16

be doing all sorts of stuff. The matrix, it

7:18

could be today feeling. Yeah. I

7:21

remember what you said Jeff about when

7:23

we talked about and on

7:25

the podcast, and you said, Oh, it's

7:27

like, the Star Wars era

7:29

could be like World War Two. And there's just

7:31

tons of stories, infinite stories to tell from that

7:33

period. One could say

7:36

the same about the major that that the animatrix

7:38

proved as the animatrix period, right? Like the time

7:40

period leading up to the machine war during the

7:42

machine war, I don't think they're gonna go that

7:44

way. Like I don't think that's the path I'll

7:46

choose. But I do think

7:48

that it is theoretically a thing where you can mine a

7:50

lot of stories out of that universe.

7:54

Is I don't think he would do that. But certainly,

7:56

let's I don't hear your brothers are green like that.

7:58

But I don't know. It would be Terminator

8:00

salvation. Yeah, we're done. I think they

8:02

kind of killed the Terminator movies, unfortunately

8:04

But that thing the thing that we

8:06

saw in the second Renaissance and the

8:08

animatrix like I would like

8:10

to see that actually Told in in like

8:12

a full feature length form, but maybe it

8:14

doesn't have to be live-action So yeah, it

8:16

is a super cool if you have not

8:18

seen the animatrix yet The second

8:21

Renaissance is what vendors are for you and

8:23

it is it is a really haunting

8:27

excellent depiction of the events

8:29

between Present

8:31

day and what leads up to the events of

8:33

the matrix so yeah,

8:36

definitely worth

8:38

checking out I feel like there's two

8:42

possible explanations as

8:44

to why The Wachowski is involved.

8:46

I don't know which which which house use it Lana

8:48

Lana so

8:51

I feel like there's two possible explanations

8:53

one is Lana's on

8:55

board and like digs this idea and Gives

8:59

it the full endorsement the

9:02

other idea is This

9:04

was gonna happen. Anyway, I might as well get a

9:06

little Scratch from it,

9:08

but then that was my story friends That

9:10

was presumably her right reason for getting involved

9:12

the resurrections. Well, but that's what I'm worried

9:14

about Yeah, this is like I'll be an

9:17

executive sure Go

9:20

do whatever you're gonna do to screw up this universe

9:24

I'm glad She got to

9:26

wrap up that story like the story about the

9:28

characters she created and loved and that's done So

9:30

if nobody touches that, you know, yeah,

9:33

probably less of a problem Well,

9:37

we'll see what happens by the way, I don't know if

9:39

you guys saw but the matrix Just

9:41

turned 25 years old this last week

9:47

Careful where this conversation is headed. No. Yeah. I

9:49

remember exactly where I was when I started hearing

9:51

about people Seeing the matrix like I was in

9:54

karate class and people were just like it but

9:56

like basically reenacting the movie for me I was

9:58

like, I gotta I gotta get me some of

10:00

this sounds amazing. I remember seeing the poster

10:02

and making fun of it. The

10:06

thing was going to be terrible. Uh,

10:08

we, uh, I think it was working at the movie theater at the time.

10:11

And, uh, speed came out

10:14

before this, right? Yeah. So we were like, wait,

10:16

are we guys going to do martial arts? But

10:18

I built it. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Uh,

10:21

so yeah, but you know, and then it

10:23

became the favorite thing of all time. You

10:25

know, I remember taking my friend to go

10:28

see it who was very much like Jeff

10:30

in Jeff, I saw the trailer. I was like, that

10:32

looks incredible. But I'm amazing. And my

10:34

friend was very skeptical and I took him to

10:37

go see it. And I remember him coming out of the movie. I

10:39

remember coming out of the movie with him and saying, can

10:41

we see that again? Yeah. Greatest

10:44

experience of my life. Yeah. That again now.

10:47

It really was amazing there, but there are people old enough

10:49

to drink today, uh, who

10:52

are old enough to drink and also, uh, some

10:55

of the adventures afterwards have children

10:58

who were not born when

11:00

that movie fully out of college, born

11:02

in fully out of college, who were

11:04

not born when the matrix was originally

11:07

released. Uh, such a

11:09

core touchdown for our childhood. If you're listening to

11:11

this right now and you have not seen the matrix,

11:14

definitely check it out because it's, it still

11:16

holds up today. It's not allowed to have

11:18

children yet. Some of the visuals, some of

11:20

the visuals aren't as good, but

11:22

it still holds up today. Uh, I, uh, I

11:25

saw this, uh, cross my

11:28

socials at one point, uh, somebody put

11:30

the matrix is now as

11:32

old as the man with the gun

11:34

was when the matrix came out. Yeah.

11:36

And the gun is a Roger Moore,

11:38

James Bond movie that feels ancient and

11:41

always felt ancient to me when I was a kid. That

11:45

reference is so old. I have no frame of

11:47

reference. I have no way to enter that. Yeah.

11:52

So anyway. World and

11:54

that's okay. Uh, but

11:56

I'm gonna film this week. Just

11:59

wanted to mention. it right at the top. Alright

12:02

folks, let's talk about some

12:04

cases, some emails and

12:06

so on that we have before the slash

12:08

film court. The

12:32

slash film court is the segment where

12:34

we adjudicate your movie related dilemmas. Email

12:36

us at slash film [email protected]. Folks,

12:39

these two emails we're going to talk

12:41

about today are related to the email

12:44

that we discussed a couple weeks ago

12:46

about somebody

12:49

going to see drive away dolls with

12:51

their son, I believe, and then another

12:53

person coming in and sitting right next

12:55

to them. Did we find that person

12:57

guilty? We did. We thought that

13:00

was not cool. We got a

13:02

currently serving their sentence right now of

13:04

not needing to hear about the slash film

13:07

cast over again. Leo

13:09

writes into slash film [email protected]. Leo

13:12

from Wisconsin here. The

13:14

subject line is in defense of that stranger at

13:16

the theater. I

13:19

listened to your ruling over the man who apparently chose

13:21

to sit next to a man in his son will

13:23

sing driveway dolls. I couldn't help but relate. So I

13:25

felt the need to respond. I have a history of

13:28

not understanding social norms. David

13:30

Chen side note. Yeah, I get

13:32

it. Oh, yeah. As

13:34

somebody who is friends with David Chen for a while. Yeah. Yeah.

13:37

And I'm learning movie

13:42

theater etiquette is one of them. Well, I

13:44

believe I am an extremely well mannered movie theater

13:46

attendee. Never once do I think about what seats

13:48

are taken when I choose my seats. In my

13:50

view, open seats are ripe for the taking. And

13:53

if I think the best seat in the house is open,

13:55

I'll take it regardless of where anyone else is sitting. Perhaps

13:57

that's simply what this man was doing. In fact, if I

13:59

went to the movies and there was only one other person

14:01

in the theater who chose to sit in the seat next

14:03

to me, I think that person knows how to choose a

14:05

good seat. I might even say

14:07

that to them if they appeared to be approachable. Hey,

14:10

high five. The

14:12

best seats in the house. I

14:15

often see movies alone and there have even been times

14:17

when I'll choose the only open seat left in a

14:19

row. I see it as a perk of going to

14:21

the movies by myself. I've had a few

14:23

times where I went to the movie with friends and upon realizing

14:25

we were sitting close to the only other people in the theater,

14:27

they asked me why I chose our seats. They

14:29

usually give them a puzzled look and say something like, because

14:31

these are the best seats available.

14:33

This is where I wanted to sit, Jeff.

14:36

This is the crowd sourced. That's

14:39

wild. That's wild that Leo in

14:41

Wisconsin has been invested with the power to choose

14:44

seats for his friends too. That's wild. They

14:46

should learn better at this point. After

14:48

this email, don't do that. I

14:50

do want to clarify because they threw that

14:52

in there a little willy nilly. I

14:55

have no problem with picking the one

14:57

empty seat in an entire row that's

14:59

filled. I have no problem

15:01

with that. Absolutely not. That's fine. Those

15:03

are multiple parties, almost separated. You go in right away. There's

15:08

just one person. It's when there's

15:10

an entire empty theater and there's

15:12

only a couple of seats taken and you pick the

15:14

one right next to those two. That's different. Completely

15:16

different. Leo continues, when I'm watching a movie

15:19

in the theater, I'm laser focused in the movie. I don't

15:21

really think about the people next to me. My seat is

15:23

a little private area I've rented for a couple hours. I

15:25

keep to myself and I assume the people around me will do

15:27

the same. Perhaps I'm lucky that the theater

15:29

chain I go to has these big lazy boy recliners so

15:32

you're not likely to bump elbows of the stranger sitting next

15:34

to you. But honestly, I don't think I'd behave differently with

15:36

a different seating arrangement. Maybe I'd move over a seat

15:38

or two. Perhaps it's the Wisconsin

15:40

nice and me, but I just wish people

15:42

gave others the benefit of the doubt before

15:44

assuming malice over ignorance, especially for people like

15:46

me who struggle with social norms. Oh no,

15:48

I assume ignorance. I assume ignorance.

15:50

It's still annoying. Either It's

15:53

malice or ignorance, but it's still annoying. You can be an ignorant

15:55

to the speed limit, but I'm still giving you a ticket. You

15:57

know what I'm saying? Leo Was not the only person who was

15:59

in the room. New Wrote that is an

16:01

era. It's okay. it's it's okay. We used

16:03

to be a society where we could sit

16:05

next other people and it wasn't a big

16:07

deal. Okay, And now

16:10

you know. The. Site on

16:12

Court Unfortunately does need a change of

16:14

times and people in general just want

16:16

to be left alone these days. and

16:19

that's where we appreciate that. That that

16:21

was a very well reasoned and as

16:23

sensitive email to to an issue that

16:25

we I can glossed over, but maybe

16:27

we could help you. You know below.

16:29

More aware next time. The Problem: Those

16:31

two people are one person. Yeah, let's

16:33

a little while. Space: Yeah, you know

16:35

that most people in fact want a

16:37

little space. You dell. That's That's the

16:40

thing when you are forced to sit

16:42

together. Then the movie can be cut

16:44

your see can be come your private little

16:46

cocoon Budget: I don't subscribe to the fact.

16:49

That. The best seats in the house are

16:51

so few. Yeah. Right? Yeah, one row

16:53

ahead, one row behind one seed to the

16:55

last one seems to the right as not

16:57

that big of a difference arguing even choose

17:00

the seat in front of somebody in the

17:02

row behind me like I always use zone

17:04

over the know. I know everything is like

17:06

stadium seating now, so do you don't actually

17:08

have sparked their views? Us. Just

17:10

how I am think about the same Sam

17:12

say the common courtesy come down to stay

17:15

out of each of us wasted of it.

17:17

As with I we have another slice full

17:19

court email coming up right now. First.

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slash filmcast. All right. Here's another

19:14

email from Eric writing into slash

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from cast that gmail.com. I

19:19

wanted to relate an experience where I, uh, someone

19:21

chose to see directly next to my, this was

19:23

pre pandemic. I don't even remember what movie was.

19:26

I show up before the trailer start and there's a woman sitting

19:28

in the seat next to mine. I

19:30

was taken aback because most people don't show up early

19:33

or purchase a seat directly next to someone. I even double checked

19:35

my ticket in the app. And yep, that's where my seat is.

19:38

I should also mention this theater is a full food

19:40

service theater where they have seat trays and will bring

19:42

food to your seat in a tray so you can

19:44

have pizza or whatever. This sounds like a meat cute.

19:47

The woman was already camped with a tray and

19:49

some food. So I briefly consider sitting somewhere else

19:52

and then decide to be righteous about it and

19:54

sit right down next to her. She kind of

19:56

does a double take and then says, excuse me,

19:59

you have to sit right next to me. I said

20:01

well, this is the seat I purchased I bought my

20:03

ticket several days ago and there was nobody else here

20:05

on the CD Mac when I did it I

20:08

get it if you don't want to sit right next to me

20:10

But I chose the seat because it's where I want to sit

20:12

and I reserved it well in advance So I'm going to sit

20:15

here She acted like I was a

20:17

total dick and made a big production out of moving a

20:19

few seats down the row Was I

20:21

wrong? No that woman back

20:23

now my wife No,

20:28

not not wrong. In fact, I'm glad they moved

20:30

the slash home court finds you not

20:32

guilty Are we all in a line not guilty? I

20:34

do think this might be that weird Thing

20:37

that we brought up last time which maybe they

20:39

both bought their tickets When the

20:41

app was showing no one there and they

20:43

both randomly happen to pick seats

20:45

thinking no one was there and they They

20:48

could Yeah,

20:51

you know I Think

20:54

there is probably a more tactful way that could

20:56

have been handled but ultimately

20:59

there's nothing wrong He's

21:02

acting a front did and he's like, you know,

21:04

I bought these seats already. I'm sorry. Like this

21:06

is this is what we chose. So Yeah,

21:09

if you don't know you could prolong the conversation be like

21:11

did you did you see if another seat was taken? Did

21:14

you notice right because I definitely bought

21:16

my seat earlier. So also are you

21:18

gonna finish those fries? Yes Class

21:21

pass the kitchen This

21:24

kind of goes into this other question around

21:26

airline seating etiquette that's been coming up quite

21:29

a bit online these days People

21:32

people asking you to move seats. Mm-hmm

21:35

on airlines. That's always everything has ever happened to

21:37

you Oh, yeah, would you ever ask her many

21:39

times? You've been the ask because you want to

21:41

sit your whole family together Yeah, most

21:43

of the time I don't care So it's like sure it's

21:45

it's only when like if I'm in a nice I'll

21:47

see which is where I like to be because you can run to

21:50

the bathroom You can just like get up and get off the plane

21:52

if somebody's like, oh, can you swap to middle seats?

21:55

Like I don't why I don't

21:57

know. I've definitely said no at certain points if

21:59

it's not Like if it's a couple trying

22:01

to be together and the swap is

22:03

to middle seats I don't know if it's

22:05

a family and kids and that's right, right?

22:08

Yeah, it's like that actually improves your experience

22:10

of everybody's right. Yeah, everyone's experience, right? And

22:13

I think it it it tends

22:15

to be the case that you want either

22:17

an equivalent or an upgrade So if you're

22:19

at right middle person, right, I got this

22:21

aisle over here. Yeah, that's what I try

22:23

to that's unless the person prefers middle seats

22:25

You know in which then they're a creeper

22:27

straight Steamboat

22:31

USA on the site formerly known as Twitter

22:33

posted mad respect to the guy in front of me on

22:36

this plane Who got asked to move from

22:38

the aisle to the middle seat? So this other gentleman

22:40

could sit with his wife and he looked at the

22:42

husband dead in the face and goes I'm

22:44

not sitting in the middle seat for you guys. I'm sorry Yeah,

22:48

the entire plane just got up and sir. I think

22:50

I understand like that's a bit of an ask is

22:52

like yeah I'm middle. I think you know, if you

22:54

go hey, I got an aisle you could have an

22:56

island in a different row That's completely acceptable more right

23:00

You know, I have a window I'll sit in the middle

23:02

so I can sit next to my wife. Do you want

23:04

this winner? I think that's right. Right. Absolutely fine. You want

23:06

it to be you want the seat to be as good?

23:09

Yeah, that's the one that you have a right Yeah, there's

23:11

some people who will refuse to move even if it's

23:13

like literally the same seat in the row back Which

23:15

I think is that's too far in my opinion, you

23:17

know, yeah, but yeah downgrading yourself

23:19

to a middle seat I agree. That's not

23:21

I have also anyone can refuse that not

23:24

to you know, toot my own horn over here

23:26

But I've also volunteered my seat when I've seen

23:28

a family get on Wow Hey, I

23:30

can go up there if you want to sit next to your

23:32

family. Yeah, yeah, Jeff doing the

23:34

Jennifer Lawrence hand motion I volunteer myself as

23:37

tribute as a being situationally aware. We live

23:39

in a society. Yeah, see how everything is

23:41

happening So yeah, like yeah, you could be

23:43

helpful. So if somebody asked you to move

23:46

to a middle seat What would you say

23:48

Jeff Kannada? This guy's like hey a

23:50

guy a strange Asian man approaches you like I want to sit next

23:53

to my wife Can you

23:55

uh, I honestly did you sit in this middle

23:57

seat? I would I think 100% of the time

23:59

say yes I oh wow I

24:01

think I would I that's so nice

24:03

I would be annoyed Internally

24:05

yes, but I would say yes, but this

24:07

explains a lot of Jeff's behind-the-scenes actions are

24:10

on the film Jeff

24:13

you know goes along with everything and then

24:15

inwardly receiving It's at all

24:17

I would bottle it up and hold it

24:19

for I don't know what ten years Until

24:25

all comes out And

24:28

so the 600th episode Or

24:34

whatever we're on Would you would

24:36

you also say yes to random person asking this if

24:38

they're ones again if it's a couple it depends on

24:40

how long The flight is how tired I am like

24:42

is it is it the beginning of a tree or

24:44

the end of a one-hour flight? You're like, okay, who

24:46

gives us? I don't care the crap right if I'm

24:49

like trying to get ready to to go like five

24:51

six hours to do a work thing And I need

24:53

to be like good I would probably be like I

24:55

don't I don't know if I can I need I

24:57

would say I need to be able to get To the

24:59

bathroom. I can't say the middle seat. Sorry, right? So

25:01

that would be medical reasons and also yes,

25:04

I have to pee a lot these days

25:06

So, you know, I would do

25:08

the same thing. I would I would it

25:10

would be very context specific, but my leaning would be

25:12

no I would be Wow, really? Yeah, I would lean.

25:14

Yes if it was for a flight then whatever. Yeah

25:18

Because there's I think there's a kind of this You

25:23

Can I believe pay extra or whatever

25:25

to select your seat in some flights,

25:27

right? and yeah, and these people clearly

25:30

didn't do that, but they wanted the

25:32

benefits of that and Sometimes

25:35

sometimes like if

25:37

it's Southwest you can't you can't even choose

25:39

right? Yeah, you don't know You don't know

25:41

their situation. You know who knows, you know,

25:43

like oh, yeah. Well Southwest is a whole

25:45

different. Yeah if you wait, you know, yeah

25:47

Southwest is like Laws

25:49

of the jump Wild West. Yeah, which is

25:51

which help like when we were stranded Yeah,

25:54

I love self. I love that about Southwest. It's like,

25:56

you know what? This

25:59

is what's available, right? now who

26:02

got here first yeah do we happen to

26:05

have no space on the plate yes okay

26:07

then you can maybe we can make it

26:09

on I can guarantee you a seat of

26:11

some kind and that is it you know

26:13

no other guarantees honestly what bothers

26:16

me more and I don't know why

26:18

this does but I will whatever weird

26:20

quirk of my personality it bothers me

26:22

more in a movie

26:24

theater when there's like hey there's

26:26

a seat on either side of you would you move

26:29

over so that my wife and I can sit in

26:31

the in the and make a pair that

26:33

bothers me more I don't

26:37

know why I'm telling you I don't know why but it's

26:40

it bothers me I'm like wow you're more territorial

26:42

in the movie theater I guess maybe because by

26:45

that point you've already selected what you perceive to

26:47

be optimal viewing seats right yeah that point right

26:49

and so you're like why should I move for

26:52

someone else's preferences yeah my

26:54

preferences and that's yeah you

26:57

know honestly what I mind more than any of this is the

26:59

entitlement and and it's

27:02

one thing if they're just like hey like is this what do

27:04

you think you know is this you are you okay moving and

27:06

you say no and they're like okay that's fine but like it's

27:09

another thing if they're if they like expect you to

27:11

well there's no universe or they're like okay that's fine

27:13

it's always like oh okay oh

27:16

that's not you're the D some people

27:18

are nice some people are reasonable and

27:20

empathetic and so something understand you know

27:22

that's a very qualified some yeah I

27:25

say no to anybody I just get

27:27

like I said internally resentful just punch

27:32

you punch bags when you get home

27:34

yeah yeah but you have to do

27:36

that if I'm born angrily Jeff screams

27:38

into a pillow for 30 seconds after

27:40

every episode of the film guest I

27:42

process we're guarding this specific letter if

27:44

the theater was like mostly empty which is

27:46

what it sounds like and the woman was just sitting right

27:49

there I would just sit a

27:51

couple seats away it's fine if the space was

27:53

open and you are not like locked in to

27:55

a thing but then you don't know then you're

27:57

taking risks right are you comes in late situation

28:00

is now somebody else comes in is like you're in

28:02

my seat like I don't know

28:04

it's the whole thing like when somebody

28:06

parks across like the line and yeah

28:13

yeah just your parking to come for that and

28:15

then they leave and then now you look at

28:17

the asshole yeah yeah yeah then you get your

28:19

car keyed yeah you don't want that

28:21

you know what nobody wants that therefore

28:23

you should always take the seat that you want in

28:25

the theater especially if you reserve

28:27

it there's no other alternate reserved it

28:30

yeah but I mean reserving seats I

28:32

think there's the same people that

28:34

have never seen the matrix don't know a world the world

28:37

we grew up in which was just get

28:40

to the theater at some point and hope you

28:42

know just like total Wild

28:45

West total you know law

28:47

the jungle that was nuts the

28:49

fact that almost every theater in

28:52

the nation at this point is a

28:54

reserved seat situation that was not

28:56

the case for most of my young

28:58

life right and for a lot of indie theaters

29:00

it's still not but I think I talked about

29:02

this on the main show not the after dark

29:04

a few weeks ago how he tried to go

29:06

see Dune with my brother yeah and

29:09

Dune 2 and the Pacific Science Center

29:11

here does not have reserved seats so every time I

29:13

go to the Pacific Science Center I need to show

29:15

up at least 45 minutes early yeah

29:17

to make sure I get a seat and

29:20

some people were commenting how first

29:22

of all that sounds barbaric and

29:25

yes it is but the other thing is also

29:27

it costs money and time

29:29

and effort to maintain a ticketing system and

29:33

also I think showings

29:38

and screenings do worse in

29:41

general when you are able to reserve a

29:43

seat is my understanding because if you look

29:46

at a screening

29:48

and it's like 90% full you're like I'm not gonna go to

29:50

that but if you don't know how full it is

29:53

you go and because you're like what might

29:55

happen so yeah feeling of

29:57

though of walking into the movie theater and

29:59

looking and being like, oh, where can we

30:02

sit? Yeah, I hated it. He did

30:04

it. It sucks. It especially sucks when.

30:08

This is a true fact. This is a true fact. I

30:13

went to go see Dune

30:15

2 at the Pacific Science Theater Theater, right? And I got

30:17

there like 45 minutes early. I walk in. I

30:19

seen the movie at that theater once.

30:21

I've seen the movie Dune 2 four times in

30:23

theaters at this point. So I

30:26

went to go see Dune Part 2 at the

30:28

Pacific Science Theater Theater. And I walk inside and

30:31

you can see the theater is half full. And

30:33

it's this feeling Jeff described. It's like, which one's full? Which

30:36

seat's full? Which one am I going to sit at? There's

30:39

a coat on that one. Right. There's a coat on that

30:41

one. It's not a great feeling. It's not a great feeling

30:43

because you've got to navigate this whole situation. Yeah. Okay. Anybody

30:45

there? No there? Okay.

30:47

How about here? Over there? You got two there? No

30:49

there? That's awful. I tried to do it when

30:51

the movie has started and it's all black. I

30:53

can't even see. Oh my God. I'll tell you

30:55

what feel is worse than that. I went to

30:57

go see Ex Machina at the IMAX recently. And

31:00

all the seats in this Pacific

31:03

Science IMAX Theater are bright red.

31:06

So it's a very common feeling when you

31:08

open the door. Or you don't even

31:10

open the door because it's propped open. And you walk

31:12

in and you see this wall of bright red seats

31:14

coming at you. So I go to Ex Machina and

31:17

I walk in and I'm expecting to see bright

31:19

red. Instead there's pitch black. Terrible. Terrible

31:22

feeling. And I'm like, oh something has gone horribly

31:24

wrong. I realized I thought the movie started at

31:26

7.30. It in

31:28

fact started at 7. I'm walking in at 7, like

31:30

15. Oh no. The

31:32

movie has already started. Oh no. But

31:35

it's okay. I've seen Ex Machina like five times already. So it's not

31:38

a big deal. But yeah,

31:40

that's a worst feeling. That's

31:43

a worst feeling than the other. This is how you try

31:45

to find a seat. It

31:47

was not. It took like five seconds. I

31:49

got one weird look from someone and then it was fine.

31:52

I didn't make a peep for the rest of the movie.

31:54

So it was fine. There's always the

31:56

big group that leaves one person behind. And he's

31:58

like, I got these. 14

32:00

seats right here for my, they're all, they're

32:03

all getting popcorn, but I got these

32:05

14 like, Oh, come on, buddy. Yeah.

32:08

You know, I think I might've mentioned for

32:10

the Dune screening, uh, there was

32:12

a very kind listener named Ben who hooked

32:14

me up with the ticket for that screening

32:16

on opening weekend. And

32:19

he had bought five tickets for him

32:21

and his friends. And, uh,

32:25

I was like, Hey, so where are your friends? And he's like, Oh, they're, they're

32:27

still on the way. And I was like, can

32:29

I get a little tense in the, in the room

32:31

soon? It's like, you can see the, like every screen,

32:34

yeah. All that for Dune partner. So like, it starts

32:36

to get super full. And fortunately, his friends got there

32:38

like 10 minutes before the screen, but you, I could

32:40

tell it was going to be like a situation, you

32:42

know, if he looked over to you and you were

32:44

just like gripping the arm. My

32:47

fingernails are deeply embedded in the arm. That

32:50

is one of my least favorite feelings is

32:54

my wife. I'm going to go to the bathroom, save me

32:56

a seat. Oh God. Okay. I'm

32:59

going to have to say no to how

33:01

many people and how long is it going

33:03

to be? How she's, I, she's coming. I'm

33:06

right around. I just give you, you know, this is

33:08

why you leave a piece of clothing, leave a bag,

33:11

leave it, leave as much

33:13

stuff as like physical stuff. Yeah. Take

33:15

off your shirt, put it on the,

33:17

the coat, leave the purse, leave the

33:19

popcorn bucket. Like put that all on

33:21

there. Right. Yep. So it's like, it's

33:23

almost like a human shaped placeholder, right?

33:25

Yeah. We're, we're, we're parking the car. Can

33:27

you save seats for us? Oh God.

33:29

Oh God. I'm going to have an ulcer.

33:32

Oh God. How many of you,

33:34

there's six of us. Oh God. I

33:37

actually just circumvent that. I circumvent that right off

33:39

the, right off the gate Jeff. I'm just, if

33:41

you go with people, first of all, it's been

33:44

a long time since I've been with like group

33:46

that large, right? Yeah. But if I, if I

33:48

ever did, I would just say it's, um, every

33:51

person for themselves, uh, or

33:53

I will save your seat until this time. Just

33:56

say that the Dory to that theater, the

33:58

theater is like, you know, Yeah,

34:00

yeah, yeah, not if they're gonna show

34:02

up frickin super late dude. No. Yeah.

34:05

Yeah after sir Consider it

34:07

one in that situation. I'm not saying they're

34:09

not inconsiderate I'm just saying that you're just

34:11

throwing the whole social contract out the window.

34:13

You're like, you know what you were late

34:15

Therefore we're seeing individual

34:18

movies It's

34:21

a few you have just found your

34:24

SNL character Jeff. Yeah guy guy worried

34:26

anxious about Saving

34:28

seeds it's um Huge

34:31

line to get

34:34

food. Yeah Okay,

34:36

we're gonna go to the bathroom. Oh god. We're getting closer.

34:38

We're getting closer to the front I don't know what to

34:40

do. Oh god, we're getting closer. Okay, you guys can go

34:42

ahead of us My

34:44

friends you you two can go, you know, I

34:46

haven't decided what I'm ordering yet. You guys can

34:48

go ahead I'm still waiting for my friend. Oh,

34:50

well, that was pretty simple Jeff. Just get their

34:53

order before they go get their order On

34:56

a note app, you know, there's we

34:58

have the technology you guys are telling

35:00

me you have never been in that situation Oh, yeah.

35:02

Yeah, we're all standing in line for the thing. Whatever

35:04

the thing is they go to the bathroom

35:07

You have no idea when they're coming. I would

35:10

never allow myself to be in a situation We'd

35:12

be in that where I do not know how

35:14

to react when I got to the front

35:16

of the line you never Tell

35:21

me what your order is In

35:23

a graphic report in triple jet

35:26

after your estimated return time You

35:28

are not urinating or defecating until

35:31

you fill out this form. That is what it

35:33

would be like Okay, so it's

35:35

exactly those lines. Those lines are the

35:38

great equalizer I remember going to see

35:40

it was Sia at the Atlantic Center

35:42

Brooklyn like sweeten the line for snacks

35:44

Um Maggie Jill in the

35:46

hall and her family. Oh cool. Cool behind

35:49

us. Papa locks me. We're all the same

35:51

boat Yeah, because there's there's no

35:53

special treatment. You still have to go pay too

35:55

much money for the same garbage food It's

35:58

amazing. We were at Disney And

36:02

standing at the the the

36:04

cars ride in in

36:06

Cars Town, whatever it's called. And

36:10

my daughter, we've been standing in line for

36:12

16 days,

36:14

just like a week and a half. We bivouacked

36:16

there, you know, it had been we'd take it

36:18

from my daughter. We're like two people from the

36:21

front. My daughter, I got to go to the

36:23

body. Oh, no. No.

36:26

No. I know. My

36:28

mom goes, OK, I'll take her. So

36:30

now my mom and my daughter are off

36:33

searching for a restroom where we're like, you guys

36:36

can go ahead of us. Yeah, you can. I'm

36:38

waiting. You guys can go ahead of it. We're

36:40

at the front of the line. Oh,

36:43

it's the worst feeling. I hate it so very much.

36:45

Yeah, that one you can't get around. There's no. I

36:48

think there's a lot of those. There's a lot

36:50

of those. It's easier when you don't

36:52

do things with other people, Jeff, you know? Yeah.

36:55

My problem is my associations with other people. Yeah,

36:57

absolutely. If you're a loner, this is not a

36:59

problem at all. But I do think there should

37:01

be sort of I do

37:03

agree that line amnesty is appropriate in

37:06

that situation where like, hey, oh, I've

37:08

waited the same amount of time as

37:10

everyone else, but I

37:12

have an unforeseen situation. I'm going

37:14

to step aside until the situation resolves and then I'm

37:16

going to get back to my age. In

37:19

fact, they should be aware of that at Disneyland, like to

37:21

say, hey, I'm up here, but this is happening. Yeah. There's

37:24

nothing wrong with doing it. I just hate the feeling.

37:26

I hate. Yeah. Yeah.

37:29

Why do you hate the feeling? What do you hate about it?

37:31

I don't like the not knowing. I don't like having to explain

37:34

to each next person like I'm just standing here, my daughter is

37:36

in the bathroom. You can go ahead of us

37:39

and then knowing how many people should go ahead

37:41

of us. And like now you're just a creepy

37:43

weird guy who's standing there like just not going

37:45

forward in the line and people keep passing you.

37:47

I hate it. I hate all of it. Are

37:49

you familiar with the spotlight effect? Jeff Kedavo, do

37:52

you know what that is? I'm

37:54

not. No, I'm not. It's

37:57

a sociological experiment where they

37:59

ask people. to throw on a Barry

38:01

Manilow shirt. Oh, I love

38:03

that shirt. I would do that in a heartbeat. Walk

38:06

into a room full of straight... The Copacabana shirt. Right?

38:11

I honestly wanted to... I'm a huge Barry Manilow fan.

38:14

Well, a lot of people aren't

38:17

Barry Manilow fans, and some

38:19

people feel judged for their Barry Manilow. I don't

38:21

know if that's true, Dave. Barry

38:23

Manilow, arguably, for some people,

38:26

is a punchline. Not me,

38:28

not in the town. I call those people

38:30

idiots. Okay, well, imagine a universe where Barry

38:32

Manilow is not widely popular, as he is

38:34

in your mind, okay? Fair

38:36

enough. You're telling me that time

38:40

in New England looks

38:42

like we made it, even now.

38:45

Mandy, these are not

38:47

beloved American standards? Anyway,

38:52

the experiment is, throw on a Barry Manilow

38:54

shirt, walk into a room full of strangers,

38:57

and then tell us how you feel about it.

38:59

And the participants were like, Oh my

39:02

God, I felt like I was being watched and

39:04

looked at all... I feel like everyone noticed the

39:06

Barry Manilow shirt. It was so

39:08

stressful, because I

39:10

looked so lame wearing this Barry Manilow shirt, and

39:14

in fact, virtually no one had seen the Barry Manilow.

39:16

No one cared. No one gave a shit. This is

39:18

not my particular anxiety. Because

39:24

I don't give a shit about people staring at me. I don't have that.

39:27

You're saying you're self-conscious about explaining to

39:29

people. I hate the process. It's not

39:31

that I'm like, Oh,

39:34

they're looking at me, and I hate the TDM of like, No,

39:37

I have to interact with you, stranger. Oh, okay. Now

39:40

I gotta explain my dumb situation. It

39:42

sounded like you were feeling judged by these people. That's

39:45

why I was beautiful. It's

39:47

literally just you don't like talking to other

39:49

people. I don't wanna

39:51

have to. I don't like... Sorry,

39:54

I thought you were feeling judged by these people. It

39:56

sounded like judgment. Yeah, yeah. You just don't like

39:58

interact with people. You guys

40:01

know me well enough to know that I will

40:04

make an absolute fool out of myself and

40:06

not care. Well that's why it's so badly

40:08

to be your reaction to this whole situation.

40:10

No. But it is much more

40:13

the fact that now I have to do this tap

40:15

dance. Do this task. Do this task. Unknown

40:18

amount of time. I see. I have

40:20

to like, I got to deal with your shit

40:22

now and then this guy's shit and her shit and

40:26

now they're upset that I don't want to deal with

40:28

it. Oh yeah, no, the seat's taken. I

40:31

don't want to talk to you. Wow,

40:35

I think we really reached the turning point

40:37

here. Yeah, this has been a

40:39

good session you guys. We've made a lot of

40:42

progress. Yeah, same time next week. Anyway,

40:46

I think it was Eric that wrote

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41:07

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41:09

Oh yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Bad

41:13

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41:16

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41:18

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41:20

Some people are born great. Some

41:24

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41:27

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41:37

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41:39

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41:41

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41:43

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41:46

Sorry. Now I get

41:48

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41:50

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41:52

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44:25

right, let's get to what we've been watching this week. A

44:27

few things to mention. I had

44:29

a chance to check out Netflix's

44:31

Three-Body Problem, which Devendra Hardwar discussed

44:34

previously on the show. Now, I

44:37

have finished the whole season. Devendra, I

44:39

think you finished it as well, right? I didn't finish the whole

44:41

thing. I'm like three episodes in. I was like three or four

44:43

episodes in. I was like, this is, I'm

44:46

not feeling this. So I did not. Jeff, how many

44:48

episodes you get in? I have watched through episode five.

44:50

I see. Or eight, yeah. Okay, so.

44:52

But I also know everything that's gonna happen. No

44:55

spoilers, we will give away the main premise of

44:57

the show, but. Which is

44:59

a bummer because, honestly, I do

45:01

think, I mean, my experience of reading the novel

45:03

was, I read the novel without knowing what

45:05

it was really about. I knew it was a science fiction thing, but

45:08

I'd saw about all I knew and I started reading it. And

45:11

about two thirds of the way through the book, I still

45:13

had no idea what the book was about. Which

45:16

is an amazing experience. I'm like, what the

45:18

hell is even going on? Because it really,

45:20

it doesn't, it's not up front with what's

45:22

happening. It's just giving you this sort

45:24

of series of events and it's almost like a

45:27

mystery. And I think the show, at least for

45:29

the first three or four episodes. For the first

45:31

three episodes, but by episode three or four, it's

45:33

very clear what's going on. But I do think

45:35

that's a cool experience. So if you don't know

45:37

anything about Three Body and you wanna try it,

45:39

I would say maybe skip forward or listen to

45:41

this later. Sure, absolutely. Because I do think the

45:43

premise is not entirely clear in

45:46

the first few episodes. And it's cool, the

45:48

discovery process of it. So here's what I'll

45:50

say about Three Body Problem on Netflix is

45:52

the sci-fi ideas, particularly the ones that are

45:54

introduced in the latter episodes are

45:57

really cool. Like it's just, it's.

46:00

It's cool to have hard sci-fi on

46:03

screen and it kind of

46:05

makes you think about like, oh, how does the

46:07

universe work? How does our planet work? All these

46:09

things. And there

46:11

are some really interesting ideas that

46:14

are presented throughout the

46:16

season. That's the strongest thing

46:18

I can say about Three Body Problem. Ultimately,

46:21

though, I really didn't like

46:23

the show and cannot recommend it. That said, Jeff Kanata, as

46:25

somebody who's watched the first five episodes, I'm curious, what

46:27

do you think about it so far? Well, I'm actually

46:30

much more curious, your reaction, because I

46:32

read the novel and I read it very

46:34

recently. So it is very fresh in my mind.

46:37

There are some shows that have been adapted that

46:40

I read the book, you know, five, 10

46:43

years ago, and I don't

46:46

recall the exact details. I remember the

46:48

big strokes. This one, like I

46:50

remember, I know the details of

46:52

everything because I read it like six

46:55

months ago. And

46:58

so it's hard for me to

47:00

separate, you know,

47:02

my knowledge of the novel

47:05

from the show. The show is actually very

47:07

faithful in a lot of ways to the

47:09

book. Although there's really

47:11

interesting. They throw in stuff

47:14

from the second book right into this

47:16

this season, which I would you know, you

47:18

think would be mostly just based on the

47:21

first book. And I think there's also like

47:23

characters in the first season that are arguably

47:25

characters from books two and three. I

47:28

haven't read book three yet. So I don't know that

47:30

to be the case. But I have heard that there's

47:32

stuff from book three in this, which is weird. Kind

47:36

of bugs me out because like I want to read that first. I

47:39

thought it was safe having just read the first two. What can

47:41

they do with Game of Thrones? Like sometimes they like brought

47:43

in stuff, pull in things from later books. I

47:45

think they will. I

47:50

think they did a really good job

47:52

with adapting what is a very

47:55

difficult book to adapt because it's

47:57

not like Game of Thrones. Game

48:00

of Thrones is a very character-heavy

48:04

universe, right? I mean, Tyrion Lannister

48:06

and Ned

48:08

Stark and all these characters are very vivid.

48:11

Three-Body Problem and its sequels, they're

48:13

not about characters. There's characters in

48:16

them, but it's about ideas. When

48:19

I finished the first novel, I was like, it's like reading a

48:21

lecture. And it's a fascinating lecture. It's

48:24

really cool. And

48:27

it's mind-expanding, but

48:29

there's not vivid people that

48:32

I remember. It's about what

48:34

they discover and what they think. And

48:38

I think smartly, the

48:40

adaptation has taken what was a

48:42

single character in the book and

48:44

split it into multiple characters and

48:47

then made those multiple characters distinct.

48:50

So there's a lot of invention on

48:52

a character level in the show. And

48:55

I think that's to its benefit because then those characters

48:57

can bounce off each other and talk to each other

49:00

and have feelings and have different opinions about stuff. And

49:02

that's just not present in the novel at all. So

49:06

I actually kind of was impressed

49:09

by it. Now, having only

49:11

watched Five of the Eight,

49:14

I think the first three are really strong. I think

49:16

episode four is bad, like bad. And

49:21

then episode five is kind of crazy and cool. And

49:24

that's exactly from the novel too, what happens in episode five. But

49:28

overall, I have a pretty positive feeling

49:30

about it. There's stuff that

49:32

when I read it, that I was like,

49:34

this is dumb. This is goofy.

49:38

There's stuff about a sort of a VR

49:40

game in the show and book.

49:43

And I think the show makes what

49:46

is goofy on the page actually seem

49:48

pretty cool. I

49:51

think that's my impression of it. Maybe you

49:53

disagree. But I thought they made something that's

49:55

sort of patently ridiculous sounding

49:59

feel cooler. through visual effects and

50:01

through the way it's conveyed on it. Now,

50:03

there's other things that are much cooler in the book, because

50:06

they have the ability to sort of lay it all out,

50:08

where in the show, it's just a couple of dialogue lines,

50:11

and you're like, Oh, you just said it, rather

50:13

than illustrated as the

50:15

way the book like steps you through

50:17

it. There's a conversation. I can't remember

50:20

the name of that guy, the older guy

50:22

who plays Mike Evans in the show, Jonathan

50:25

price, Jonathan price, thank you. Jonathan

50:27

price has a conversation about Little Red Riding

50:29

Hood in the show that in the novel,

50:31

which by the way, takes place in the

50:33

second novel, but in the novel is incredible.

50:36

And it's like, holy crap. And in

50:38

the book, it's like four lines.

50:40

And then he just says it. And you're like, Oh, that

50:43

wasn't good. Right? Yeah,

50:45

that was a very effective sequence in the show.

50:47

Yeah. Okay. Well, I didn't think so, because I

50:49

had a point of reference. But that's how

50:52

I felt about a lot of things is that

50:54

it did kind of like it's so streamlined. There's

50:56

like, Oh, there are a lot of great ideas,

50:58

but we're going to streamline all this for you.

51:00

So it never feels like you're building up to

51:02

anything. Meanwhile, it's just like, major thing, major thing,

51:04

major thing. And that's, that's kind of the thing

51:06

that pushed me off of it. Like it didn't

51:08

feel like I was grounded in

51:10

this story at all. I do

51:12

think the pacing of the overall

51:15

season is pretty, pretty disastrous. So

51:19

much happens in the last three episodes of the

51:21

show, basically that it just feels like it's speed

51:23

running through a bunch of different events. That's how

51:25

I felt for the first episode. So it's like,

51:28

I was like, I don't know if I like

51:30

this tempo. I do think it is funny now

51:32

that you guys have seen it. It's pretty obvious

51:34

why the Game of Thrones guys decide to do

51:36

this, right? It opens with a girl in a

51:38

crowd watching her father get murdered. Like, yes, I

51:41

know how to do that. Fair

51:45

enough. Yeah. Yeah.

51:48

But so if you're

51:50

a sci-fi fan, I think actually it's worth

51:53

checking out because it's such an ambitious work.

51:55

The original books and also the show itself

51:57

are such an ambitious works. But

52:00

I thought okay

52:04

maybe splitting the main character or

52:06

other characters into these five main

52:08

characters was like a better

52:11

move than having like one character represent

52:13

multiple maybe yeah but I find virtually

52:15

none of the five characters who

52:17

are the central characters of the show to

52:19

be interesting or compelling in any way they're

52:21

just so boring yeah it was like one

52:23

middle-aged dude like that's what the entire first

52:25

novel was one dude and then yeah

52:28

I guess I could see it maybe not so many

52:30

characters too many characters yeah I like Benedict Wong a

52:32

lot I think he's great awesome he's cool he's not

52:34

one of the five people we're talking about no he's

52:36

not yeah he's like a separate character who in the

52:38

books is also more of a weirdo yeah

52:41

you know it's a thing like in the books are

52:43

like oh this guy does not know how to be

52:45

in polite society and Benedict Wong is just like Benedict

52:47

Wong he's just like you want to be his friend

52:50

he's just like a washed-up version of Benedict Wong he's

52:52

awesome he's awesome the show I think I like

52:55

give this dude like a noir detective

52:58

show all his own like yeah feels

53:01

like he's in a different show Liam Cunningham

53:03

plays Thomas Wade and he has

53:05

that character has a lot of swagger and

53:08

I'm usually really irritated by characters like that but

53:10

Liam Cunningham is so cool he can pull it

53:12

off from here but yeah but yeah he's really

53:14

cool you know he's one of those guys it's

53:16

like I'm smarter than you and I'm better than

53:18

you in every way you know he's that kind

53:20

of guy and with him I'm

53:23

like you know I'll from Liam Cunningham I will

53:25

accept but

53:27

I thought the main five characters with the with the

53:29

exception of Jin Chung were all

53:32

completely forgettable and honestly

53:34

very frequently actively annoying

53:37

for most of the show so that's

53:40

that's the real one of the

53:42

real issues with the show I think and that didn't

53:44

have that feeling yeah that in the pacing but yeah

53:47

so Jeff it sounds like you were I'm not the

53:49

positive on it than you are the most the game

53:51

out of the people in this pocket I you know

53:53

I don't know how it lands the plane

53:55

exactly so well I'll I'm gonna

53:57

watch the last three and I can report

54:00

But I up to this point like I thought episode

54:02

4 was actively bad Yeah So that's

54:04

a bummer but I but you know that's out of

54:06

the five I've watched only one I felt that

54:08

way about so that's and I will say I'm gonna

54:10

try to be as vague as possible about This

54:12

but episode 5 is like an

54:15

all-timer. It's pretty cool. It's really cool It

54:17

has one of the it has a sequence

54:19

that people will talk about for a long

54:21

time. Yeah, it's like the red wedding of the show Yeah,

54:23

there'll be there'll be something that people talk about for a

54:25

really long time in episode 5

54:28

and so It's

54:30

almost almost worth watching just to get to that

54:32

episode. I've seen the clip of like what happened

54:34

Yeah, it's very cool. It's pretty extreme. Yeah, it

54:36

is funny with the show though Like I was

54:39

watching the first episode and was like, oh this

54:42

the vibe is not right It did make me think about

54:44

like what works and doesn't work for a show for me

54:46

I was like I could feel it even early on like

54:48

oh the pacing is too fast These

54:50

characterizations are too thin. I don't like it These people

54:52

aren't interesting or anything like just so many red flags

54:55

being right at me by the end of the first

54:57

episode I was like, oh man, this is kind of

54:59

it's doing all the right things. It looks good. It

55:01

has a high budget they're

55:03

actually shooting on location in a lot of places, but

55:06

something about it is Just

55:09

doesn't click and it made me think about like

55:11

what actually works for show and how early you

55:13

can feel those red flags Yeah, yeah for

55:15

once to victory you and I completely agree about a

55:18

show So what nice nice to hear nice to hear

55:20

but anyway? Devendra and I not

55:22

a huge fan of the three-body problem on

55:24

Netflix Jeff Kanata More

55:26

measured to take than us, but yeah But

55:29

I will say there's some there's some cool stuff in it

55:31

It's not like it's not a show where I think like

55:34

definitely don't watch it. It has nothing of redeeming value There's

55:36

some cool stuff in it. It's just overall as a show. I don't think

55:38

it works very well. So That's

55:40

one thing we've been watching this week Devendra

55:42

Hardaway. That's something you boys this week. Sure

55:45

I've been checking out constellation on Apple TV

55:47

Plus and I feel like

55:49

if three-body problems a show that moves too quickly

55:51

You know, it's like throwing too much at you

55:54

Constellations the show where it's

55:56

like Not enough. Yeah,

55:58

I Need more. You're

56:00

like that hundred precisely. Again, I would take

56:02

at least out after one episode of the

56:04

shows like non up with my kids to

56:06

this. yeah I can. I can understand that.

56:08

Why I didn't buy more intrigued by this

56:10

is the thing like maybe it's just like

56:12

my at the delayed gratification something's appeals to

56:14

me more. This is a show about an

56:16

extra play by new your process comes to

56:18

earth after me to space accident and things

56:20

are so little weird it's almost like she's

56:22

coming to different reality or something like some

56:24

things are off. I think that source mystery

56:26

is kind of cool. I think the space

56:28

stuff is cool. Love seeing. Him he reposted

56:31

like a starring role again because it

56:33

did. You did remind me for a

56:35

time like post those those early Dragon

56:37

Tattoo movies and previous like near us.

56:40

Shoes. Really compelling, really interesting and often Banks

56:42

as like a head honcho at Nasa like

56:44

I loved out the banks. You don't see

56:46

a face like that in a role like

56:48

that, too often like he's going to be

56:50

hit man forever. He could be. if he

56:52

wanted to be, he could be like Don

56:54

Carlos as as you playing the same Breaking

56:56

Bad roll over and over again. This is

56:58

so different for him, but he did. It

57:00

is a slow slow moving so like that's

57:02

the thing it's It's a woman trying to

57:04

figure out her place in life and things

57:06

seem often reality and it's just slow moving.

57:08

I feel like I'm sometimes I'm into that,

57:11

sometimes I'm not. I've seen the first couple

57:13

episodes and I think the it's Intriguing by

57:15

Market Arrest to complete it. You know. But.

57:18

Is it looks good. Has great high

57:20

production values. I love the space. definite

57:22

of the space mystery going on here

57:24

so. I'll. Keep watching eventually.

57:28

Ah yes, he said you piece that after

57:30

one episode. Vastly different. Yeah, Yeah. I

57:32

I I got only be depth

57:34

I don't blame ya. yes it

57:36

is a very slow it is

57:38

very ah. It's applauding to

57:41

me down and kind of like

57:43

okay I is. Yeah, yeah ah

57:45

you know again from guess for

57:47

once quote unquote. I completely agree

57:49

with everything different reset about the

57:52

so it is that here is

57:54

the difficult part about the show

57:56

is. It

57:59

is. situation where the audience is

58:01

frequently ahead by the time you get to

58:03

the later episodes, yeah, the audience is frequently

58:05

ahead of The characters like the

58:08

audience knows more than the characters and that

58:10

that can be an interesting dynamic sometimes But

58:12

it it's not used to great effect here It's

58:14

it's just a situation where like you as the

58:16

audience are like Okay When are we gonna when

58:18

are the characters gonna catch up to where we

58:21

already are as the audience like we

58:23

as the audience already Know what's going on? We already know

58:25

what the secret of the mystery is and the characters are

58:27

still fumbling around trying to figure it out The

58:30

first episode also introduces this situation where new

58:32

mirror pause takes her child to a cabin

58:34

in the woods They

58:36

spend I'm not gonna I'm good try

58:38

not to exaggerate like three to four

58:40

hours of the show Just

58:43

futzing around that cabin and spooky stuff

58:45

happening in that cabin And

58:47

that is just way too long to spend it again like by

58:49

the end I was like I do not give a crap about

58:52

what's going on at the cabin. Yeah, where's the space

58:54

show? Go to space Yeah,

58:59

that said like three-body problem There's

59:02

also some nice things to recommend it new mirror

59:04

posses awesome in the show Somebody

59:07

commented on a thread of mine saying, you

59:09

know, show me a more iconic duo then

59:11

new mirror posses great in something And that

59:14

thing is bad But

59:18

she's awesome and I also think the show Looks

59:21

incredible. It's one of the best-looking shows on

59:23

television. Absolutely looks way better than three-body problem

59:25

and it probably cost less or

59:29

Around the same but it looks way better just

59:31

it's clearly shot on location some of the

59:34

shot compositions are really really gorgeous, but

59:38

yes, it is very

59:40

very plotting very plotting by

59:42

the end and you figure out the mystery

59:45

long before the

59:47

end of the show and I'm

59:49

also gonna put this out there. You remember

59:51

the Tim Burton the Planet of the Apes? I

59:54

do remember how Tim

59:57

Burton Planet of the Apes There's

59:59

this This moment ends with, so

1:00:01

spoilers for Tim Burton, Plan of the Apes,

1:00:03

ends with Mark Wahlberg getting back to his

1:00:05

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like, well, that doesn't make any sense. Like,

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it's not explained by the events of the

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movie. Yeah. Similar

1:00:16

vibes. Yeah, it's just riffing on,

1:00:19

it's riffing on. Yeah, yeah. Something

1:00:21

that we all know is a

1:00:23

thing, but it's like, it's

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a cool riff, I guess. Not as interesting. It doesn't make

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any damn sense. Similar vibes for Constellation, where you get to

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the end, it's like, oh my, and then you think about

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a great show, but as with

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Northbrook, Illinois. Jeff Canata, what

1:01:54

have you watched this week? Well, I checked

1:01:56

out the new Netflix show, Ripley. Believe

1:01:59

it or not. And I

1:02:03

am pretty bowled over

1:02:05

by this show. This

1:02:08

is Steven Zalien's remake,

1:02:11

re-adaptation of

1:02:13

the talented Mr. Ripley, which

1:02:16

I did not know going in. I did not know that's

1:02:18

what it was. I thought I knew it

1:02:21

was this show called- Did you think it was about the

1:02:23

Alien character? I was hoping. No, I thought it was like

1:02:25

some other, I thought it was like a detective show, but

1:02:27

it's not at all. I

1:02:29

thought Andrew Scott was like a

1:02:31

hardboiled detective. You're thinking of Sugar,

1:02:33

Jeff. Sugar. Colin Farrell is

1:02:36

Sugar on Apple TV Plus. This

1:02:38

is great. This is a real show. I know

1:02:40

it's coming soon. I'm looking forward to that. Sugar.

1:02:43

I'll check it out. Anyway, Andrew Scott

1:02:45

is incredible. I love Andrew Scott. I will

1:02:47

watch anything he's in. He's amazing. And

1:02:50

he's amazing in this. This

1:02:52

is a fully black and white show

1:02:56

that takes place in

1:02:59

the 1960s, and

1:03:02

it takes place to a large extent in

1:03:04

Italy. The show starts in New

1:03:06

York in the 60s and goes to Italy. This

1:03:09

is, I would venture to say,

1:03:11

top three

1:03:14

most beautiful shows I have ever

1:03:17

seen. The trailer looked astonishing. It's

1:03:19

astonishing. Yeah. It's like

1:03:21

a cob smacking. How sumptuous.

1:03:25

Every single shot in the show is

1:03:27

a work of art. It's a painting.

1:03:30

It's like the amount of

1:03:32

time and energy they must

1:03:34

have taken to light and

1:03:36

stage every single

1:03:39

shot. There's this

1:03:42

moment in the first episode where

1:03:44

Andrew Scott gets on a subway in New York,

1:03:47

and you're looking at him

1:03:49

through a parallel subway car.

1:03:52

The camera is on a different car,

1:03:54

looking through two windows to get into

1:03:56

his car. But

1:03:59

everything is like that. every shot is

1:04:01

completely mind

1:04:03

blowing and how

1:04:06

just beautiful it is. I mean, it's got the

1:04:08

most beautiful black and

1:04:10

white photography. I,

1:04:12

it is worth watching simply for

1:04:15

that. And honestly, after

1:04:17

the first episode, I was like, wait a minute, is

1:04:20

this a talented Mr. Ripley? And

1:04:22

then I realized, oh yes it is. And

1:04:24

I was really disappointed. Cause I

1:04:26

was like, oh, I was hoping this was

1:04:29

like an original new thing.

1:04:32

That said, I got through three

1:04:34

episodes in one sitting. These are hour long

1:04:36

episodes. I could not turn it off. This

1:04:38

show just came out like, we were recording

1:04:40

this on Friday. Yeah, I watched it last

1:04:42

night and I watched three episodes.

1:04:44

I couldn't turn it off. I

1:04:47

am blown away by this.

1:04:49

The performances, Steven

1:04:52

Zalian is a screenwriter mostly. Like he makes his

1:04:54

way, he wrote the Irishman and a whole bunch

1:04:56

of other things. He's directed movies before, but

1:04:59

not for a while. And like, this

1:05:01

is a tour de force, directorial

1:05:04

effort. Like just, you know, cinematography

1:05:06

wise, visually, but also in

1:05:08

how he directs the actors and everything

1:05:11

is so understated and beautiful

1:05:13

and quiet and

1:05:16

lived in. And it's

1:05:19

an amazing thing to take a novel I have not read,

1:05:24

this Ripley novel. I don't even know if

1:05:26

the exact title is, what

1:05:28

the exact title is. I don't know if

1:05:31

the talented Mr. Ripley was not its title

1:05:33

or whatever. Anyway, the source material for both

1:05:35

of these projects. You imagine, Chasmus Ripley is

1:05:37

this two hour plus movie. And

1:05:40

this is an eight hour long

1:05:42

show. And we've

1:05:45

seen numerous examples of this, but I think

1:05:47

this is a great example of how, when

1:05:49

you have that much more time, what

1:05:52

you are allowed to do, what you're able

1:05:54

to do. And Zalian

1:05:57

uses a lot of that time to just sort of,

1:06:00

be in these places,

1:06:02

in these gorgeous places.

1:06:04

And so much of what this

1:06:06

story is, is this character Ripley

1:06:10

living beyond his means and living in

1:06:12

these places that he could never afford

1:06:16

in this life that is fairy tale-like

1:06:18

and grandiose

1:06:20

and wealthy. And

1:06:23

to give the viewer that

1:06:25

experience, to let them sort of

1:06:27

luxuriate in that, in

1:06:30

this sumptuous black and white

1:06:32

photography where you're just sort of like, gawking

1:06:35

at the beauty

1:06:37

of the coastal Italy. It's

1:06:40

just incredible, it's

1:06:42

an incredible. And then the characters sort of, we

1:06:44

can just be with them and be in these

1:06:46

quiet moments and sort of live

1:06:48

with them. And it's

1:06:50

a hangout experience to

1:06:52

a large extent as well. But there's

1:06:55

that thread of creepy that's kind of

1:06:57

always lurking underneath the surface. I

1:07:00

mean, Andrew Scott is incredible, but

1:07:02

also Dakota Fanning's in this, who's great.

1:07:05

And this guy, Johnny Flynn, who I

1:07:07

was not familiar with, who

1:07:09

plays Dickey Greenleaf, the sort of other

1:07:11

main character in this tale. He

1:07:16

is great, cute,

1:07:18

they're both so contained

1:07:21

and understated and just naturalistic. But

1:07:23

there's also this sort of heightened

1:07:25

nature to everything as well. I

1:07:29

am really enthusiastic about Ripley. I

1:07:31

think you guys are both going to absolutely

1:07:33

love it. Yeah, I can't wait. It's

1:07:36

so beautiful, it's so beautiful. Excellent,

1:07:39

well, I'm really looking forward to it. I've

1:07:41

heard it's great, I've heard it's beautiful, so

1:07:43

I'm excited. And yeah, just- Justing from the

1:07:45

trailer, it seems like it's going against so

1:07:47

many things Netflix wants. It shows the way

1:07:49

Netflix shows look and the flatness

1:07:52

of it in high color and everything. The

1:07:54

fact that they even let this thing be black and white, I think is kind

1:07:56

of amazing. You know, you were

1:07:59

saying something that I- I totally was thinking as I was watching

1:08:01

it, like, I don't know, this

1:08:03

doesn't seem like a Netflix project at all.

1:08:06

I don't know who they think this is

1:08:08

for. I was imagining like recommending this to

1:08:10

people. And there's certain people that will not

1:08:12

at all have the patience for this show. It

1:08:15

is, it is a sort

1:08:17

of obtuse and enigmatic

1:08:21

and it doesn't spell things out for you

1:08:23

at all. Like how we're introduced

1:08:25

to the character at the beginning is, is

1:08:27

very subtle. And you sort of have

1:08:29

to think and meanwhile, it's all

1:08:31

black and white, which I think is a turn off for a lot

1:08:33

of viewers. And but man, what

1:08:35

a work of art it is. What a work of art.

1:08:37

It is so powerful and beautiful.

1:08:40

I love it. Awesome.

1:08:42

Wonderful. Well, that's Ripley and

1:08:44

it is streaming right now on

1:08:46

Netflix. I will

1:08:48

throw out a quick recommendation before we

1:08:50

get to weekly plugs. And that is,

1:08:54

I don't talk very much about poker on

1:08:57

the film cast. If you want to hear

1:08:59

more about my poker journey, you can subscribe

1:09:01

to my personal Patreon page. But I have

1:09:04

obviously been getting really into poker

1:09:07

media. And there is a

1:09:09

kind of reality show that

1:09:12

recently debuted on YouTube called Game of Gold.

1:09:14

And if you search on YouTube for Game

1:09:16

of Gold, you can find it.

1:09:18

Now, here's the thing about poker. I

1:09:21

find it to be pretty compelling, but like visually, I

1:09:24

can understand why most people don't

1:09:26

think it's that interesting because you're

1:09:29

looking at guys, mostly guys, you

1:09:31

know, like overwhelmingly the best

1:09:33

majority guys sitting at the poker table. And

1:09:36

literally, the main

1:09:38

task they're trying to accomplish is not showing

1:09:40

any emotion. Yeah. Let's continue

1:09:43

around. I don't want to watch the most

1:09:45

dramatic event where people are doing their

1:09:48

best to be as

1:09:50

undramatic as possible. Nobody crying

1:09:53

blood over here. Yeah. And

1:09:56

it's like the whole thing is a

1:09:58

bummer. You know, my wife was talking about. how

1:10:01

she's come to keep

1:10:03

me company at some of these tournaments I've played at Las

1:10:05

Vegas and when people

1:10:08

are eliminated there's no... Fanfare.

1:10:11

There's no fanfare. Like you just pick up your backpack

1:10:13

and you walk away and you never see these people

1:10:16

again. That's what it is. And when people win there's

1:10:18

no celebration of it. There's no like

1:10:20

applause or so. It's just like not even like

1:10:22

golf. Golf? You get a golf clap. Yeah, there's

1:10:24

just nothing. It's just nothing. And

1:10:27

so game of gold

1:10:29

tries to take

1:10:32

poker and turn it into like an

1:10:34

engaging viewing experience via a

1:10:36

number of methods that I think are actually kind

1:10:38

of cool. First of all, professional

1:10:40

poker players play on teams. Most

1:10:44

of the time when you're playing poker you're playing by yourself.

1:10:46

So you play on a team so you like can't let

1:10:48

people... If you're playing by yourself

1:10:50

you might be more willing to do wild stuff that

1:10:52

you know is self-destructive or

1:10:54

not optimal but like when you're playing on a

1:10:56

team you got to like change your dynamic. And

1:10:59

then also the

1:11:01

other thing that it does that's pretty

1:11:03

interesting is it has

1:11:06

cameras inside the team's green

1:11:09

room or whatever so you can see

1:11:11

poker players react to what other

1:11:14

poker players are doing. That almost never

1:11:16

happens because when you're again when you're

1:11:18

playing people are desperately trying to not react

1:11:20

to anything. And so

1:11:23

yeah it also plays extremely dramatic music

1:11:25

when people are playing the poker ad. So

1:11:27

those are the three things that people do

1:11:29

the show does to make poker more interesting.

1:11:31

Anyway I think it's a pretty fun show

1:11:33

and if you are into poker at

1:11:35

all you will probably enjoy game of

1:11:37

gold all episodes of which are streaming

1:11:39

right now on YouTube. And yeah

1:11:42

I've had a lot of fun watching the show so I just wanted to give

1:11:44

that a shout out. Okay that is what we

1:11:46

watch this week. Let's get to weekly plugs.

1:11:55

Weekly plugs the part of show each week where we

1:11:57

plug something else we've been making. I want to throw

1:11:59

a... shout out to Decoding

1:12:01

TV, which is a podcast I

1:12:03

do with Patrick Klepek, where we talk about what's going

1:12:05

on in the world of television, recap episodes

1:12:07

that are coming out each week. This

1:12:10

week, we talked a little bit about the

1:12:12

murder mystery behind the, or

1:12:14

not murder mystery, it's just the murder behind

1:12:17

the story of the

1:12:19

making of Three Body Problem. Like somebody actually,

1:12:21

one of the producers

1:12:23

was murdered. And

1:12:26

the reason is because

1:12:28

the murderer thought that,

1:12:30

felt sidelined in

1:12:32

the process of the movie, the show getting made, I

1:12:34

should say. Wow. And so we talked

1:12:36

about that story and a bunch of other stuff. Again,

1:12:39

on this week's Decoding TV, which you can find

1:12:41

wherever your podcasts are downloaded, we're at

1:12:43

podcast.decodingtv.com. That sounds like a

1:12:46

fourth body problem. Wow,

1:12:48

Jeff. Too soon, Jeff. That's, yeah, it is

1:12:50

too soon. Really soon. Okay.

1:12:56

I've been your hard wire, your weekly

1:12:58

plug. Yeah, I want people to check

1:13:00

out the latest episode of the Engadget

1:13:02

Podcast. We brought on Jason Kebler, co-founder

1:13:04

of 404 Media, to

1:13:07

talk about his experience moving away from Google

1:13:09

search. He's paying $10 a

1:13:11

month to use Kagi, which is

1:13:13

a premium search engine. I've heard great things about

1:13:15

Kagi. Yeah, it doesn't have ads, doesn't have tracking.

1:13:17

It is using the Google index, which is kind

1:13:19

of funny. So you're like, good Google.

1:13:22

You're paying $10 a month to use good Google.

1:13:24

It's a good conversation about that. And also just

1:13:26

how crummy Google is these days. Like we talk about

1:13:28

the incognito mode stuff and the fact that they have

1:13:31

to delete that data because they lied to everybody and

1:13:33

said that they weren't being

1:13:35

tracked when they were. So it's a big

1:13:37

Google heavy show on the Engadget Podcast, check

1:13:39

it out. Yeah, PSA, when

1:13:41

you're using incognito mode all those

1:13:44

years, Google is actually still tracking you. So,

1:13:46

you know, just FYI.

1:13:49

Learn to use Tor. Everyone

1:13:51

out there, you know, you wanna be really private. Yeah.

1:13:54

Jeff Canata, your weekly plug. I

1:13:56

gotta go delete my browser

1:13:59

history. That's the computer

1:14:01

on fire, it's the hard drive I think actually. I

1:14:04

need nano fiber, I need nano fiber. I

1:14:09

do a book club every week, I don't talk about

1:14:11

it a lot, but I do a book club show

1:14:14

every week on my YouTube

1:14:16

channel, which is youtube.com/Kanata Jeff.

1:14:20

And it's based around the DLC video

1:14:23

game show, but it's not about video

1:14:25

games. We're currently working our way through

1:14:27

what I think is, in my

1:14:30

opinion, the greatest fantasy series ever written.

1:14:33

We're only on the fifth book of 10, but

1:14:35

I'm already convinced nothing

1:14:37

can top this. It's the

1:14:40

Tales of the Malazan Book of the Fallen.

1:14:43

We're on book five. Could

1:14:45

not recommend reading these novels higher,

1:14:49

but, but, even

1:14:52

if you're not interested in delving

1:14:54

into a very dense, interesting 10

1:14:56

novel fantasy series, there's something to

1:14:58

check out on the book

1:15:01

club show every single week. We start the

1:15:03

show with a non-spoiler section that

1:15:05

has nothing to do with the book we're reading and it's just kind

1:15:07

of talking about books and having a good time. It's

1:15:09

myself, Lana Byshinski, who's awesome. She works

1:15:11

for Riot Games. She's a game developer

1:15:14

and she's a delight. This

1:15:16

week, this most recent episode that just came

1:15:18

out, in which we

1:15:20

talk about the fifth novel Midnight Tides,

1:15:23

chapters eight and nine, our non-spoiler

1:15:25

section at the beginning, the

1:15:27

author of the Malazan

1:15:29

Book of the Fallen sent us an

1:15:31

excerpt of a different book series he's

1:15:34

doing that is a parody

1:15:36

of Star Trek. There

1:15:40

is a scene in one of his novels of all

1:15:42

of the crew of this fictional

1:15:44

Star Trek spaceship called

1:15:47

the Willful Child playing Dungeons and

1:15:49

Dragons. It's really funny and

1:15:51

it's fun and he sent it to

1:15:53

us and Lana and I did a

1:15:55

dramatized dramatic reading of it and

1:15:58

it's really fun. Check it out. Like

1:16:01

I said, you don't have to have read anything. You don't have to

1:16:03

know anything about the books to enjoy. It's like the first, I

1:16:05

don't know, five, six minutes of

1:16:07

our YouTube post this

1:16:10

week in chapters eight and nine of

1:16:12

Midnight Tides. I think you'll get a chuckle

1:16:14

out of it. It was really fun to do and

1:16:16

I'm proud of it. So check it out. patreon.com/film

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1:16:48

Let's get to our review of Monkey Man. When

1:17:04

I was a boy, he

1:17:11

didn't do the disarming. They

1:17:15

brought fall into the land until

1:17:21

they faced the protector of the people. There

1:17:32

you are. You

1:17:35

are a beast. Welcome

1:17:39

to the film cast review of Monkey Man. I

1:17:43

will read the plot summary of this movie from the

1:17:45

Internet. An

1:17:47

anonymous young man unleashes a campaign

1:17:49

of vengeance against the corrupt leaders

1:17:51

who murdered his mother and continue

1:17:53

to systematically victimize the poor and

1:17:55

powerless. This is

1:17:57

a directorial debut of Dev Patel. And

1:18:01

the vendor hardware, you know, I think

1:18:03

you have been a dev fan for quite a

1:18:05

while I feel like I will

1:18:07

this movie into existence. Yes, like

1:18:09

literally Divin dramatic. We've all been

1:18:11

dev Patel fans just to be fair. But

1:18:13

yes, I love ya I watch

1:18:16

a couple others and you know, I threw some love

1:18:18

out there for the green night And

1:18:20

I feel like that was not always fully supported. Yeah

1:18:24

Like some people on the podcast like

1:18:26

yeah love a gorgeous starring role for

1:18:28

help no I liked him in it.

1:18:30

So interesting one-third of this podcast did

1:18:32

not shower the green night with the

1:18:34

adoration that it deserved You didn't direct

1:18:37

that movie Anyway

1:18:41

So given your heart rate, let's just start with you.

1:18:43

What were your overall thoughts on monkey man? I Freakin

1:18:46

love this movie. I do I do feel like

1:18:48

in a certain sense Like I will this into

1:18:50

existence like a wonderful starring role for dev Patel,

1:18:52

but also something that lets him Be

1:18:55

artistic and like lets him be in

1:18:57

the director's chair, but also Deliver

1:19:00

like all of his own cinematic

1:19:02

influences to me this movie

1:19:05

feels like the the sort of iconic image

1:19:07

of Hanuman the

1:19:09

the Hindu gods like of him tearing

1:19:11

his heart open and you have other gods

1:19:13

inside But it's him revealing his heart

1:19:16

and I feel like at some point dev Patel sat

1:19:18

down and just like tore his own heart open And

1:19:20

got his own feelings about action cinema

1:19:22

about his feelings about the state of India

1:19:24

everything out there I think

1:19:26

it's a very it's a very open film for that

1:19:29

I think I think it's just a very revealing film,

1:19:31

but it also like feels like something from a first-time

1:19:33

director So I think it's a little shaggy. I think

1:19:36

the action is is kind of messy at times

1:19:38

It kind of ramps up to being a great

1:19:40

action movie, but it doesn't always start there He

1:19:43

does a lot of the first-time director stuff

1:19:45

about being just way too in love with

1:19:47

shallow focus Or I'm like buddy.

1:19:49

Just just let me see the entire

1:19:51

image. Please like it feels

1:19:54

like he was really influenced

1:19:56

by Danny Boyle having made some

1:19:58

dog billionaire with him like the the

1:20:00

sort of like those scenes of streets, you know,

1:20:02

them running around with handheld shaky cam along the

1:20:04

streets of India, it almost feels like that's replicated

1:20:07

in this movie a little bit. But

1:20:09

yeah, there's so much love here. There's love for Hong

1:20:12

Kong action movies. There's love for like the newer action

1:20:14

movies like The Raid. There's

1:20:17

so much going on. It's a beautiful film,

1:20:19

but it's also like, it's ultimately

1:20:21

a very straightforward film. It's trying to say

1:20:23

something about the rise of extremist Hindu nationalism

1:20:25

in India as well, but also not quite

1:20:27

saying that it's kind of a weird thing.

1:20:29

We could talk about some of that in

1:20:31

spoilers, but it is grappling with big

1:20:34

ideas. I don't think it fully like gets

1:20:36

to a point where it's a truly great

1:20:38

movie, but I had a lot of fun

1:20:40

watching it. I think the action scenes like

1:20:42

get more and more interesting. It does some

1:20:44

cool fun stuff, even though it's like, it's

1:20:46

not just a John Wick ripoff. They even

1:20:49

directly say John Wick in the movie. So

1:20:51

this is a movie, the universe of this

1:20:53

movie is a place where John

1:20:55

Wick exists as a movie. It's

1:20:57

kind of fun. Yeah, ultimately, like I think

1:21:00

it's a fun revenge film that has some

1:21:02

beautiful moments and it's clearly made with a

1:21:04

lot of heart. And I got to respect

1:21:06

that. And I hope this means, you

1:21:08

know, more for Dev Patel as director,

1:21:10

as an artist, certainly as an action star,

1:21:13

because he really, he's not

1:21:15

beefy in this movie, but he's definitely like toned

1:21:17

and lean and like looks like an action star.

1:21:19

And I feel like the only time I really

1:21:21

got to see that was in that movie I

1:21:23

talked about that I don't know if anybody ended

1:21:25

up saying that's the wedding guests, where he plays

1:21:28

like almost like a hitman fixer type of dude.

1:21:30

He doesn't get to be like, muscly in that

1:21:32

one either. But his presence as

1:21:35

an action star, I think was really cemented

1:21:37

there. So yeah, love this movie. Definitely shows

1:21:39

some like first time director issues. So I

1:21:42

want to shout out a piece that Siddhanta

1:21:44

Dlaka wrote for Time Magazine called many great

1:21:47

pieces. Yeah, monkey man's political critique, Mrs. The

1:21:49

Point, where he kind of dives into the

1:21:52

politics of this movie and why he finds them

1:21:54

to be a bit muddled. So

1:21:56

definitely worth checking that out. That said, Jeff

1:21:58

Kanata, your thoughts on this movie. thoughts

1:22:00

on Monkey Man. Well

1:22:03

Dave, I guess you could

1:22:05

say my thoughts on Monkey Man are best summed up

1:22:07

in the form of a limerick. This

1:22:12

movie is a bit of a riddle. It's

1:22:14

dripping with blood, sweat, and spittle. But

1:22:19

after the chase, it loses its

1:22:21

pace, it needs some more

1:22:23

monkey in the middle. Wow!

1:22:26

Yes! Both a

1:22:28

bold critique and a great limerick.

1:22:30

Thank you. I appreciate that. I

1:22:33

agree. I'll be almost down the line with

1:22:35

everything that Devinder said. I

1:22:37

do think it shows some scruffy

1:22:41

first-time director stuff

1:22:44

that I wish was a little bit

1:22:46

more honed. But

1:22:48

it's hard not to like it for

1:22:50

all of that scruffiness also. I

1:22:54

don't know. I think ultimately I liked this movie. I

1:22:56

had good time in this movie. For

1:22:58

the first third of it, I thought I

1:23:00

was in love. I was like, this is

1:23:03

awesome. And then it

1:23:05

comes grinding to a halt. And

1:23:09

it's unfortunate because so much of

1:23:11

how it's built up at the

1:23:13

beginning is this incredible momentum. There's

1:23:15

this driving pace at the

1:23:17

beginning that feels inevitable and you

1:23:19

feel like you've just strapped onto

1:23:22

something really exhilarating.

1:23:24

And then the movie just completely

1:23:26

derails and just grinds to a

1:23:28

halt and becomes much

1:23:30

more introspective and I think never

1:23:33

quite got me back. Even

1:23:36

though the action at the end is pretty fun, I

1:23:39

felt like it got into these kind of

1:23:41

preposterous areas. And it also expands

1:23:43

its scope in a way

1:23:46

that felt really forced and

1:23:48

really didn't help the

1:23:50

experience any. It's this revenge thing and

1:23:52

this revenge thing and this revenge thing.

1:23:54

It's like, wait, no, maybe it's also

1:23:56

about all this other stuff. And it's

1:23:58

like, well, okay. We're kind of losing sight of

1:24:01

the revenge thing a little bit And

1:24:04

you know, there's some like like like the picture pointed out

1:24:06

there's some first time director stuff that just feels a little

1:24:08

bit like man, that's on

1:24:10

the nose that's You didn't

1:24:13

need to do that and i'll go into specifics

1:24:15

and spoilers as to what I mean But for

1:24:17

example, there's like a there's

1:24:19

a a needle drop That

1:24:21

yeah a few of them, but one of them is

1:24:23

like like Roxanne by

1:24:26

the police, you know while we're looking at a

1:24:28

prostitute and it just feels like Literally

1:24:31

what is going through his mind right now? I

1:24:34

mean it's so On the nose

1:24:36

that it just like jarred me out of the

1:24:38

moment rather than accentuating the moment and there's a

1:24:40

few things like that Of you

1:24:42

know, there's I want to

1:24:44

i'll talk about it in spoilers. I won't spoil anything

1:24:46

But there's like a you know there's there's stuff that

1:24:49

the movie sets up beautifully and can

1:24:51

be I as the as the

1:24:53

viewer can Intuit and feel and

1:24:55

then the movie's like no, no, no, no, no,

1:24:57

no We need to show you exactly even though

1:25:00

you already got this we're gonna drive it Hit

1:25:03

you over the head with it and it's like you didn't need

1:25:05

to do that You you you could have been

1:25:07

a more elegant movie without having done that

1:25:10

and I was I also think it kind of You

1:25:12

know Short cuts some stuff at the

1:25:14

end was like I punched a punching bag for three

1:25:16

minutes and now i'm a superhero It's like really?

1:25:19

Okay. Um, so There's a lot

1:25:22

to like there's a lot to like I think the action

1:25:26

Photography is really fun. There's a lot of

1:25:28

really cool moments. It's brutal It

1:25:31

is brutal as all hell. I mean it is a gory bloody visceral

1:25:34

movie, uh, and there's a lot of fun with

1:25:36

that but overall,

1:25:39

um I think it

1:25:41

is it is a flawed but fun very much worth seeing

1:25:43

just kind of Could

1:25:46

have been a better it's you know Better than mid-range

1:25:49

but not a home run I

1:25:53

think i'm the most positive person on this film in the you know

1:25:55

out of the three of us Which is really amazing that almost never

1:25:57

happens What?

1:26:00

This? movie? I. Guess there

1:26:02

are so my I know why you

1:26:04

have a day because it's so I'm

1:26:06

over the salad that the feel my

1:26:09

own city Six even hilarious. So Blair's

1:26:11

so like minutes at a time when

1:26:13

about amount of mid or wide Sir

1:26:15

Yes sir. I don't think it's a

1:26:18

perfect movie by any means but. I

1:26:20

feel like this is a movie that emerged

1:26:22

to fully formed In my opinion he has

1:26:25

been on agree right? But is it feels

1:26:27

like oh this is a fully for movie

1:26:29

This is not somebody who is ah oh

1:26:31

I'm so the middle of learning how to

1:26:33

make movies and like ah this is this

1:26:35

is kind of what I'm a triangle right

1:26:37

now. This is like oh wow This is

1:26:40

somebody who has really specific ideas about. Blocking.

1:26:43

About depth of field, about the use of

1:26:45

music, About the use of living, about these

1:26:47

of color, about the use of action and

1:26:49

it all comers is wonderfully. In

1:26:51

this movie I thought this is is this

1:26:54

will be was a blast. It was thrilling

1:26:56

from beginning to end. Ah I. You.

1:26:58

Know the first. Thirty. Two

1:27:01

thirds this will be were like really. Greedy.

1:27:04

And realistic in my opinion. And then it's

1:27:06

kinda loses that by the debris and that

1:27:08

that I'm a little bit bummed by because

1:27:10

I did. I get appreciate that tone and

1:27:12

that feel from the beginning of movie Agrium

1:27:14

and the and them the latter half the

1:27:17

movie becomes like increasingly more outlandish is the

1:27:19

Zebra V by the right right rear end

1:27:21

and so that's you know, You.

1:27:24

Can lose? What made the first half of the movie a

1:27:26

little bit special? Up, but otherwise.

1:27:29

I'd agree time with is the Patel is

1:27:31

amazing. I was. I.

1:27:34

Had heard so little about like it was actually

1:27:37

quite a feat to avoid any information about the

1:27:39

film because I open tic toc is like that

1:27:41

but those there in an advertiser from arguments so

1:27:43

I got a swipe way. I'm always my see

1:27:46

any of the trailers and any spoken see any

1:27:48

trailers is anything silas so are those some of

1:27:50

the best trailers we've gotten rid memory because they

1:27:52

are they are edited so well I go to

1:27:55

be tone of it lead it makes it seem

1:27:57

like some be gotta watch So right I was

1:27:59

always marketed. So I didn't I didn't see any of the

1:28:01

trailers and when I was watching it I I

1:28:04

I was like did dev Patel really direct

1:28:06

this? Because he's in yeah, virtually every

1:28:08

shot in the movie and that's just

1:28:10

really different like the The

1:28:15

specificity of what he wanted done with

1:28:17

the framing I you know I

1:28:19

assume he had tons of input into I assume

1:28:21

he didn't just say to his DP like hey

1:28:24

handle this like yeah And

1:28:26

it's like it's really specific and for

1:28:28

the most part extremely effective and so

1:28:31

I came away from this with Massive

1:28:34

respect for dev Patel not

1:28:36

only as an actor to be willing to like reshape

1:28:38

his body in the way that he did But

1:28:40

as a director, I think this is just a really

1:28:42

really solid director world It's definitely

1:28:44

like striking as a striking film and his

1:28:47

DP By the way is the guy who

1:28:49

did silent might the John Woo movie and

1:28:51

in whiplash, but not really major movies since

1:28:53

then Yeah so

1:28:57

Who's the director for the round mirror? Yeah, you're

1:28:59

my her own my area Anyway,

1:29:03

I love this movie and I strongly recommend

1:29:05

it. Yeah, it was just a blast.

1:29:07

It's a blast to watch So

1:29:09

big fan. Those are my overall

1:29:11

thoughts on monkey man. Why don't we get to

1:29:13

some spoilers for the movie starting right now? Ending

1:29:17

from my book makes no damn sense

1:29:24

But I buy a new book I always read the last page

1:29:26

first that way All

1:29:37

right Let's talk about some of the

1:29:39

stuff that happens in this movie towards especially

1:29:41

towards the end of the movie Maybe

1:29:44

towards the middle which is what you brought

1:29:46

up Jeff. I think this movie has a

1:29:48

saggy middle problem Where

1:29:51

it's trying to do really interesting

1:29:53

things right? They basically when he's

1:29:55

defeated It's kind of cool. We have a whole

1:29:57

setup. We have a whole battle. He's defeated. He's

1:29:59

on the run he chases. He

1:30:01

basically makes friends with a trans

1:30:03

community and like is taking care

1:30:05

of by them and learns

1:30:08

that more, you know, the

1:30:10

problems of these rich people and the religious, you

1:30:12

know, extremists go far beyond just his own revenge

1:30:15

story. I think that's fascinating. But

1:30:17

I don't know, it feels like they couldn't quite keep

1:30:19

the tempo of what they wanted. You can do that.

1:30:22

You can. It's amazing. The movie

1:30:24

is taking a break. It's taking a

1:30:26

pacing break. And, and the whole idea,

1:30:29

it's a, you know,

1:30:31

the idea that he's taken him by a trans

1:30:33

community. And obviously, I think the

1:30:36

move, my understanding of what the movie is trying to

1:30:38

achieve is that it's very like

1:30:40

anti right wing, you know, and so like, it's

1:30:43

very kind of a bold

1:30:45

statement that those are the people who like help

1:30:48

him to heal and who give him his powers

1:30:50

to come back. The

1:30:52

thing that is

1:30:56

where I agree with you guys more about

1:30:59

this whole segment of the movie is like

1:31:01

this is like, this is a concept. The

1:31:03

idea of badass who like is

1:31:05

incapacitated or decides to like be among the

1:31:07

people before like returning to the field. It

1:31:10

is so done

1:31:12

over and over again. It is

1:31:15

the trope. It's literally a Magrooper

1:31:18

in the movie Magrooper. He's like living

1:31:20

in this village. And like this, these

1:31:22

are my people. And it's like,

1:31:24

because it's been done so often that it can be

1:31:26

parodied. And that was decades ago. That was a long

1:31:28

time ago when that happened. You know, so it's like,

1:31:31

if riffing on movies that are like 20

1:31:34

or 30 years old by that point, too.

1:31:36

So right. Yeah, it's like, it's a very

1:31:38

well worn trope of and it makes no

1:31:40

sense at all, by the way, that like

1:31:42

he, you know, he's shot by a sniper

1:31:44

from a plane from a plane into this

1:31:46

war helicopter. And then it's like, he wakes

1:31:48

up, you know, what

1:31:51

happened there? No, no, goddamn idea. This

1:31:53

is a lot of care about that.

1:31:55

This could be Has

1:31:58

a lot of that. Whereas like, also he. Reading like

1:32:00

after the cops evading he's really like oh

1:32:02

acts man x y it worked out there

1:32:04

were punished if I the however like reading

1:32:06

is that are not connected goods why would

1:32:08

that was isn't electricity is of my standard

1:32:11

All of us are good at all of

1:32:13

the all of the axe just barely missing

1:32:15

the heads. You see that acts barely miss

1:32:17

a person's head in the fight. Many.

1:32:20

Times and movie to have you ever like

1:32:22

this where feel like that's dangerous, the super

1:32:24

slow process. you know we were shouting out

1:32:26

kills we gotta set out Prop Possibly one

1:32:28

of the most inventive kills I've seen in

1:32:30

a movie. Night of a Thorough he says

1:32:33

in recent memory know to the throat with

1:32:35

T which is he didn't You know he's

1:32:37

still Patel as God this guy pinned to

1:32:39

the wall be elevator the have a nice

1:32:41

to his throat. And then he

1:32:43

like guess he just as I said like

1:32:46

a little his hands are busy and his

1:32:48

enemies and get his hands get like sees

1:32:50

it as separate cells over this chief who

1:32:52

says exactly how I put the grosses away.

1:32:54

Sometimes you know how those little of that

1:32:56

uses got available. You know myself as a

1:32:59

means of the size. throw this study and

1:33:01

it's like okay that's return it rips it

1:33:03

with his seat of we went through a

1:33:05

whole roadhouse remake know for ripping The occipital

1:33:07

comes up with one movie. I'm

1:33:09

gonna rip through that with my purposes.

1:33:12

I followed the fighting in this movie

1:33:14

to be way more effective than Road

1:33:16

House and it's almost like a similar

1:33:18

style. like similar wide angle ah often

1:33:21

a first person shooters shots. There's

1:33:23

a several first person such as obvious why would

1:33:25

agree with that. Although I really did like the

1:33:28

thing that defender shouted out during the broadcasting was

1:33:30

that that technique of yelled assists connected role as

1:33:32

that isn't and really incentive. Cool thing that I'd

1:33:34

never seen before and I don't like to do

1:33:37

that, don't know. Not a definite ideas Kudos road.

1:33:39

As for that because that knows an amazing this.

1:33:41

I mean it's good like they've it's good. I

1:33:43

think the fight scenes agree the choreography. It's good

1:33:46

to see. It. takes a while for

1:33:48

the cinematography really catch up to what they're

1:33:50

doing so it's almost like the paul greengrass

1:33:52

born style her city sam like impresses is

1:33:55

the cabbies very inspired by bourne supremacy and

1:33:57

or are born an ultimatum you were just

1:33:59

like He's running on the roof,

1:34:01

the music sounds like the Bourne Ultimatum music, like

1:34:04

it's really heavily inspired by that, and also the

1:34:06

John Wick movies obviously. So the action, I think

1:34:08

like some of the shootouts, some of the like,

1:34:10

there's actually not much gunplay actually, because he gets

1:34:12

one gun, he messes that up, and then it's

1:34:14

all hand to hand since then. So the action

1:34:17

is good, and it's funny, but it also feels

1:34:19

like, yeah, I saw the raid

1:34:21

too, you know, I've seen so many of these things

1:34:23

too, it's like, I get it, I get what you're

1:34:25

liking here, or I get what he's

1:34:27

going for, the knife with his mouth,

1:34:30

that is new, that is interesting, like, okay,

1:34:32

you're actually innovating now on this design, and

1:34:34

that stuff I think is pretty cool. So

1:34:36

we saw enough of new stuff that made

1:34:39

me really impressed. Yeah, I thought the action

1:34:41

was overall really well done, and fun, and

1:34:44

I just, there's a moment

1:34:46

at the end where he walks up

1:34:49

in the full monkey mask, and

1:34:51

I was like, oh my god, is the whole rest of this

1:34:53

movie going to be him in a monkey mask, kicking his shit

1:34:56

out of people? And I wish it had been, I really

1:34:58

wish it had, that would have been incredible.

1:35:00

If you imagine all of the end of the

1:35:03

last act of this movie, all that

1:35:05

action, but in a monkey mask, that would

1:35:07

have been so rad. Well you're going to see his

1:35:09

beautiful face though. I know. His

1:35:11

beautiful face, which takes a pummeling,

1:35:14

and never leaves a mark. He is like

1:35:16

beaten to a pulp at one point. Yeah, and then he shows up

1:35:18

at work the next day, and it's just steaming. I was like, um.

1:35:21

Hit me again, hit me again. I'm like,

1:35:23

never shows a mark, really? Yeah, you'll have

1:35:25

a bit of swelling there. Yeah, the thing,

1:35:27

you know, Kuda's a difficult. He is a

1:35:29

very attractive man. No one's

1:35:31

going to argue with that. He

1:35:34

is in great shape. He directed the hell out of

1:35:36

this movie. He does a lot

1:35:38

of his own stuff in it. I'm not going to

1:35:40

take anything away from him. But also, like,

1:35:44

never shows himself, you know,

1:35:46

particularly injured or in bad shape. And then

1:35:48

also puts a scene in the movie where

1:35:50

he takes his shirt off and literal ladies

1:35:52

scream at it. I'm like, you're directing this

1:35:55

movie. It's great. That's what

1:35:57

you want. The reality, you want

1:35:59

to live. You acknowledge it, I get

1:36:01

you acknowledge what everybody's thinking but also you know

1:36:04

I would never have the balls to be like

1:36:07

I'm gonna have ladies scream now when I take my

1:36:09

shirt off You

1:36:11

learned it from the rock. Yeah, I don't know

1:36:13

I guess yeah, yeah I

1:36:17

didn't mind the needle. So you that's

1:36:19

a bad needle drop rock that rock sand needle drop

1:36:21

is bad. I agree with you Yeah, another one. I

1:36:23

wanted to remember but I'm now I'm having a hard

1:36:26

time recalling what it was No,

1:36:28

there was a Jefferson airplane somebody to love

1:36:30

I thought the Jefferson airplane somebody to love with

1:36:34

the bathroom fight was actually really good that's

1:36:36

fun and just

1:36:38

it honestly felt like the opposite of

1:36:41

the Mission

1:36:43

impossible fallout Like

1:36:46

that it takes place in a completely white. Yeah,

1:36:48

they're all space with like these huge mirrors and

1:36:50

this is like grimy. There's a Aquarium

1:36:53

there. It's like red lights. He's reaching

1:36:55

into the toilet to get the gun

1:36:57

like all this Another Danny Boyle reference

1:37:00

I guess yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

1:37:02

but I thought that fight scene

1:37:04

was was great It's sort of like if

1:37:06

you took that mission possible one But also

1:37:08

the opening of casino rail right where it's

1:37:10

like black and white really gritty messy bathroom

1:37:12

fight Yeah, it felt more like that but extended

1:37:15

But I have to say guys he

1:37:18

made the classic blunder Which

1:37:20

is he felt like he really had

1:37:22

to get the one-liner off before he shot the guy in the

1:37:24

head and yeah Don't

1:37:27

do that You

1:37:29

know, you don't need to do the one-liner The

1:37:36

movie wouldn't have happened if he had

1:37:38

decided to not say the one-liner right like if you

1:37:40

had like perfect plan perfect plan Although

1:37:42

I have one question I'm

1:37:45

gonna have many questions One of

1:37:47

my questions is yes. Yes. What

1:37:50

happened to the dog? Yeah, no dog

1:37:52

follow-up. No dog The

1:37:55

woman literally says don't feed it because it's gonna

1:37:57

come back here beddy, but and then

1:37:59

he does And he gets that I mean it's cool. He gets

1:38:01

the dog to bring the gun, but like now the dog The

1:38:04

dog's fucked Alfonso

1:38:06

Alfonso is fucked. He's higher life is ruined.

1:38:08

He never goes back and says sorry, buddy

1:38:11

Why did Alfonso get in the car? Yeah,

1:38:13

that was why that was my car the

1:38:16

dude Chased by everyone don't

1:38:18

get the car Okay, or

1:38:20

at least you don't you turn to those guys

1:38:23

and go he's stealing my car. I have no

1:38:25

association with this man I

1:38:28

don't know this man. Sorry to this man Blunder

1:38:34

than saying the catchphrase first I

1:38:38

Love the buildup to the first like

1:38:40

the first major assassination sequence like the

1:38:42

dog stuff So figuring out how to get

1:38:44

there like that that stuff I

1:38:46

don't get really cool and fun and

1:38:48

intriguing that whole the whole like exchange

1:38:50

like before he the exchange of the

1:38:52

wallet When they steal the wallet and

1:38:55

its kids running through it and moving the

1:38:57

wallet again Danny Boyle That is a very

1:38:59

Danny Boyle like chase sequence through through the

1:39:01

alleys. Yeah, I will say what all those

1:39:03

people want to help him I don't know

1:39:05

but yeah It's like

1:39:07

dude. There's every is every single one of those

1:39:09

people his friends or do they're all friends Did

1:39:11

he pay every single one of those people didn't

1:39:13

have money? He can't pay them. I Will

1:39:17

say this movie index is very high on

1:39:19

street urchins, you know, like yeah There's a

1:39:21

bunch of street urchins in the movie and

1:39:23

they all are you know doing their thing?

1:39:25

they're doing things that like kids

1:39:28

that young probably shouldn't be doing you know and It's

1:39:31

a good if you if you love a good street urchin in a

1:39:33

movie This is a good movie for

1:39:35

that a good street urchin is showing the

1:39:37

like horrible inequality that exists in a society

1:39:39

that often Has very rich people. Yes. Yeah,

1:39:42

that is why they're there. Absolutely. That is why

1:39:44

they're there And there's all these like interesting background

1:39:46

shots of you know There's

1:39:49

a scene where they're driving past in the the

1:39:51

little vehicle and people are sleeping on the street

1:39:53

on mats and you know I'm a tree, you

1:39:55

know you People selling things on the

1:39:58

street lots of little kids stuff. I think there's all a

1:40:00

little kid witnessing a thing because he was a

1:40:02

little kid who witnessed a thing. But also, I

1:40:06

didn't need to see his mom murdered. That's

1:40:08

pretty brutal. It's brutal and it's

1:40:11

gratuitous and it's him

1:40:13

saying, this is for my mom. I

1:40:15

got all the information I needed. I get it. I

1:40:18

know it. I'm with you, dude. I'm on your

1:40:20

team. You don't need to show me that

1:40:22

moment. It's just felt completely over

1:40:24

the top and it was just hitting me on the

1:40:26

head with the hammer and I... There were moments where

1:40:29

the movie he needed to pull back a little, maybe

1:40:31

tighten up this thing. I feel

1:40:33

that's certainly one of them because this movie is so

1:40:35

brutal in other respects too where it

1:40:37

feels like he just wanted to get it all out

1:40:39

there. We should talk about

1:40:41

the religious stuff because I think that is kind of

1:40:44

interesting. It's

1:40:47

sort of like if this movie was rallying

1:40:49

against Christian extremists, right? But

1:40:51

then at the same time saying, I'm powered by

1:40:53

the power, I'm super Jesus now. I

1:40:55

have the power of Jesus within me to fight

1:40:57

these Christian extremists. Especially

1:40:59

in a country like India now, which is

1:41:02

being besieged by Hindu nationalists and by a

1:41:04

prime minister who's really rallying these people up.

1:41:07

They're going against their... Right

1:41:10

now, that party is doing many things

1:41:12

against minorities, certainly against Muslims in India

1:41:15

as well. It feels weird

1:41:17

that he is a character who is driven

1:41:19

by so many Hindu stories and especially by

1:41:21

the story of Hanuman. The

1:41:24

final line of the movie

1:41:26

is something

1:41:28

about his God, like his God drove him here or

1:41:31

something like that. It is a very

1:41:33

overtly, you're being driven by

1:41:35

images of God to commit this violence while

1:41:37

at the same time including shots

1:41:40

of actual street riots

1:41:42

and violence by police in the movie.

1:41:46

It's weird. It's just a weird thing.

1:41:48

It's like bouncing a nice edge here and I

1:41:51

don't think the movie quite handles that stuff. I

1:41:54

think what you're alluding to too

1:41:56

is there are Limits

1:41:59

to what...? The. To healthy,

1:42:01

medically interesting. Yep! A. Movie

1:42:03

like this can be or healthy Medically new

1:42:05

Yes a movie like this can be

1:42:07

because only way they realize that an