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You are listening to the X Good Girl podcast,
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episode 66. Whenever
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I decide to offer a class,
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it is because I've
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gone through a period of self,
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Uh, experimentation and
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experimentation with some of my clients, where
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I have been able to see the need for
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either a certain set of skills or
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a certain type of, um,
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awareness, because remember to solve
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any problem, we need 3 things.
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We need awareness of
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the fact that it's a problem. We
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need to have the capacity to
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be able to address that problem.
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And we need the skills to be able to solve
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that problem. And so a very,
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very common problem for anyone
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who is a human is a
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relationship where you feel like something
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isn't working. So just
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do a little mental checklist
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with me. Think about Your
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work relationships. Is
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there a relationship there that doesn't feel
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like it's working very well where you're not
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able to say the things
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that you need to say where you are not
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able to work through problems or
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issues in a way that is, uh,
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that feels respectful, that feels productive,
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that feels like it honors everybody
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in the relationship. Think about your romantic
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relationships. Is
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there anything there that isn't working?
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Where you don't feel like you can show up and have
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your needs met. Where
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you can ask for things that you want.
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Think about your relationship. Maybe you have children.
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Or you take care of children. Think
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about those relationships. Is there any
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part of those relationships where you
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think, gosh, I just wish that were different,
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or I don't know how to move us from
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kind of always engaging in this way
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to engaging in a different
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way. This happens a lot. This used to happen
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to me a lot with my son. I would walk
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into his room. I would see the state of
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his room, which was usually messy.
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I would sigh and I would roll my eyes and we were kind
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of off to the races. What, mom?
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Why? Why are you coming in here? Why are you right?
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Because we had already had a
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particular dynamic that was set up
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where I would go in, I would be frustrated about his
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room. He would be frustrated that I was frustrated
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and then we would just kind of trade frustrations back
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and forth and we would never get to
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actually solving the
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room and protecting
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our relationship. Think
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about your relationships with friends. Are
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you able to say when your feelings are hurt?
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Are you able to say when you feel excluded
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or left out? Are
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you able to share your
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dreams, fun
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things in your life? Some
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friends yes, maybe some friends no, that's totally
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normal. Think through your family
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relationships. Are
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you able to participate in family
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events in a way that feels loving
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and good to you? Are you able
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to talk about expectations
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or hopes
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with family members for
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the relationships you would like to have? All
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of these things are very, very
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normal to want and
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to not have. And so when I was thinking
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about not, not just my own,
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That's Um, my own experience
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in my relationships, but I've been talking
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now for almost seven years
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to lots and lots of people and
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people pleasing and the good girl rules
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always show up and play out
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in relationships. So
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what I experienced
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in my own life was a feeling
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of stuck ness. And
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I'm just going to use my relationship with my husband
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because it was the most
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profoundly painful relationship
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that I had. Um,
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also I loved him so much and
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I did not have any
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skills and sometimes I didn't have any
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capacity to
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do anything different. And so we
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were in a relationship dynamic for a lot
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of years where we were both pretending
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that things were fine, that weren't fine. We
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were both. Performing
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for each other, right? These roles
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that we thought we were supposed to, and
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neither of us felt both
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of us felt that stuckness, and we did not
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know what to do about it. So
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what I want to do is address that
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dynamic head on the stuckness
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that we feel in relationships, because.
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Some of the relationships that we feel stuck in
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actually matter a lot to us relationship
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with parents where you have disagreements relationships
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with, um, maybe people you work
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with that contribute to your economic
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and financial security. Those are important
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with friends with neighbors with people
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that we have, you know, ongoing
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interactions with. And sometimes
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we feel stuck and we're able to just easily
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let a relationship go and move on. I'm
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not talking about those. I'm talking
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about the relationships that matter, where
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you feel like there is something that is not working.
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Most of the time, when
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we feel like something isn't working. If
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I were to kind of broadly survey
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my clients and even me, what
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we end up doing is hoping that
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the other person changes, we
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might drop hints about what we want
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to change. We might even address it directly,
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but we just hope that they will
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understand that their
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behavior is problematic
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or that if they just change these
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things, the relationship would be so much easier.
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And we spend a lot of time just sitting back
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waiting for that change to happen, hoping
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and hoping someone else will change is
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not an effective strategy for
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changing a relationship. And I,
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I mean, I say that out loud and it seems pretty obvious,
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but I know so many people think for just
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a second. Are you
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in any relationships where you're just kind
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of treading water, hoping
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that something changes, that's
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not bad or wrong. It's
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just not how relationships actually
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change. And so, in
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this masterclass series that
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starts on June 25th. I
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want to directly address how
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do you go from that stuck
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place to a place
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of more security? Because
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in all of the coaching that I have done, in
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all of the work I've done with myself, security
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is the key. And
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let me tell you what I mean by that. Security
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is the internal feeling
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of safety. And
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by safety, I mean the
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feeling that I can handle
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what will happen. It doesn't mean I like
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it. It doesn't mean it's easy. It might
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still be very overwhelming and
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it might be painful. And there might
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be a lot of big feelings to wade through
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or to work through. But I
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can do it. And
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so for a lot of my clients and for
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me, that was the part
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that was missing. I did not
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have the security within myself.
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To take on having some
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of these big conversations, I
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didn't have the security to take
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on bringing
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things up that felt really prickly
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and potentially like they were going to make somebody else
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mad. I think there's a
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lot of good reasons why we don't bring these things
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up when we don't have the skills
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and when we don't have the security. What
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we worry about is what if I hurt this other
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person's feelings, or
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what if I bring this
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up and I find out that
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they don't really value this
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relationship at the same level that I do,
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and they don't want to meet my needs
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or my wants. They don't want us
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to have this kind of reciprocal
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and responsive relationship. That's
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going to be painful. Or
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what if I lose or damage,
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what if I damage or lose this relationship
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completely? So
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there's a lot of good reasons why we don't
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bring this up and
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why we tend to just go into this kind of
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hoping state. And
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what I want you to know is there another, there's another way
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and it starts with security.
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The type of security that is the internal
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feeling of I
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can handle this. Not
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that it's going to be easy, not that it's going
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to not be painful. And
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the reason that I can handle it is because
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I know myself. I
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know how to take good care of
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me. And I know that no
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matter what happens, I
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will do that. So
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all of that starts first with you.
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And that's where we get turned around because remember
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what the good girl rules teach us is
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that other people's opinions
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of us, their, um,
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their thoughts about whether or not we're a good
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or worthy or valuable person. That's
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what gives us security. And you know what? That is
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part of it. We are wired
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to feel. Emotionally
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secure when we are with
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our group, think about how
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wonderful it is to be with
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people where you feel like you belong,
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where you can let your hair down, where
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you can be yourself. If
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you have even one place like that,
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that's such a gift. As
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I think about some friendships, as I think about
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my relationship with my husband
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and the security that I feel there,
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it's very tender. It
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feels like a warm weightedness,
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not heaviness, but like solid
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grounding. What
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does it feel like for you? Take
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just a second. Think
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about where you find that external
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security and belonging. Pay
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attention to your body. How
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does it feel for you? It's
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so important to recognize that. And
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it's so important to also
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affirm that as humans
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who are mammals, that
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we are pack animals. We
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are group animals. Who
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survive and thrive best
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in groups. So, of course, we
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need that external security.
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And if you've heard me kind of explain
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the, the, the, the
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genesis of people pleasing,
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it's because babies need to belong to survive.
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They need people bigger than them to
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take care of them. And so they pick
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up all this information about what the
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big people like and what the big people
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want. And then they do that and
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then they get belonging and acceptance and they get
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taken care of. That's a very simplified,
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um, kind of take on that.
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I have a whole podcast episode that dives into
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that, um, directly.
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And I'll link, I'll put a link to that in the show notes. But
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eventually, it
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almost feels like our need
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for outside external validation
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becomes bottomless. It's
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that bottomless pit feeling.
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I have definitely felt that. For
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a little while, um, my home's cold.
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Back in when I was, um, active
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in the LDS church, which I
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no longer attend, I was
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a school teacher. I wanted extra time
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with my kids. I thought the idea of homeschooling
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was brilliant and beautiful. And so that's
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what we did for like a decade. Crazy,
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huh? And I
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was a part of a group of women
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that I loved that I never
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really felt fully accepted by.
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And so every time Well,
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and, and to be, um, really
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transparent about why that was is because I
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already had doubts and
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questions about the LDS church and
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all of them were LDS. And
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there is this assumption among
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a lot of people, I'm not going to say everyone because
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I don't know, but in a lot of LDS circles,
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the assumption is that everybody believes
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the same thing and everybody agrees
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with the same things and everybody
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is in the same place in terms of their,
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their faith. And
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I knew that I wasn't. I knew
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that I thought differently about
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some really core
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things like, LGBTQ
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people and whether or not God loved them
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the same as everybody else and had an
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equal place for them in
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the church and You know,
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the, the, the theology around
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that I believe something very different and I knew
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it. And so I
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had this constant feeling
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of needing for them to approve
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of me so that I felt
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safe. With those parts
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of me that I knew that they would not
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approve of and so every
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time we would get together. I would feel
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kind of this familiar anxiety of
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wanting. I didn't I don't know. I
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for sure didn't know at the time that that's what
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it was. But if I could look back
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with hindsight being what it
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is. I was worried
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that there was some part of me that
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was unacceptable to them and
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rather than just address that directly, because
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I didn't have the capacity or skills to do
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that. I looked for other
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ways to be helpful, to be useful,
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to be needed. To be
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accepted for them
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to want to spend time
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and, um, you
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know, energy with, with me
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and my kids. And
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it was just a bottomless pit because
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Monday would be over and, you
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know, I would get the validation
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that I was looking for. And then on
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Thursday, I would need it again. And
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then the next time I would need it again. And so think
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for just a minute, is
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there a relationship like that in your life?
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Where it feels like no matter how
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many times. You
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feel validated. You feel needed and you feel
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loved. It's still not
15:37
enough to provide that security for you
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where you just feel settled
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and confident that this
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is real and it's not going to
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go away. It's
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very normal. If you're feeling that,
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there's nothing wrong with that. That happens in every single
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human, uh, relationship
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of every single human I've ever worked with. So
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the good news is if you're like, yeah, I,
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I can think of a relationship right now that just feels
16:05
like a never ending need for
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validation and belonging. That's
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just totally normal. That's a human experience. The
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problem is that just becomes really painful
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to live with day after day after day. And then
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the way that you try to get that validation
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is by overgiving, overworking, Over
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delivering on maybe
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things that you wouldn't do if
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you felt secure. So
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the point of this masterclass
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series that is coming up is to
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offer people a place to
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create first that
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security with themselves. We're
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going to bring that need for validation
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that we've been outsourcing and we're going to
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bring it in house. Thanks. And
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we're going to create security
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with us first. Now,
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there is a real risk here that
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I could oversimplify this. And
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so I'm kind of, I'm trying to talk
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about it as if it is doable,
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but not simple. Because it
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is absolutely doable.
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How long it takes or what will come up
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for you as you are creating the security
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for yourself, I don't know that. And
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frankly, probably neither do you, right,
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at this point. Because. The first
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step in creating security
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for ourselves is actually
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to figure out why we don't feel secure with
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ourselves. Is it because
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you are just in a chronic
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state of doubt? Is
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it because you are chronically critical or
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judgmental? Is
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it because you, you are your own bully?
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Always tearing yourself apart, examining
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all of the mistakes that you made, berating
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yourself for not doing better and being better.
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I never tire of saying this. A
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woman who is not safe with
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herself is not
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safe anywhere. So
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the first step in creating
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that personal security is
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to find out why you
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have those parts. That
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are just tearing you to
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pieces every time something
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goes wrong. And then it's to
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give those parts of you love
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and curiosity and
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time and attention.
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All of us have parts. That
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came into being when
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we were young, when we needed
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to be, um, noticing
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what other people wanted from us, when
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we needed to be aware of the rules
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of the different groups that we belonged to,
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we needed, it was essential
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that we become very aware of what would
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get us rewarded in our groups.
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And what got us punished because
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again, belonging is a central
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human need. And
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so if I need to belong, I need to know
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what I get in trouble for doing and thus
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gets me disconnected and
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what I get rewarded for with more
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connection and belonging. It's essential.
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So once we understand
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and have compassion for
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those parts of us that that's all they were trying
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to do. They're just trying to keep
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us secure and they
19:29
do it. By
19:31
trying to, it,
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it, it, it, it, in my brain, it sounds like this.
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If I just beat you up enough, you'll
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change. If I am just
19:41
hard enough on you, you'll
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do it differently next time. You'll remember. It's
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going to be so painful this time that
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you'll just really remember. And
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you know what the crazy thing is? At one point that
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worked. I was
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very motivated by avoiding the pain of
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disappointing other people and
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I would change my behavior. Absolutely.
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And it got me belonging and it got me
20:03
friendship and it got me community.
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The problem becomes as I get
20:09
older, and I see the amount
20:11
of self abandonment that
20:14
I have to do to keep the
20:16
rules of those groups. I
20:18
don't want to do it anymore. But this part
20:20
of me is still is very well
20:22
developed and has been with me for decades. And
20:25
so that part that needs
20:27
to be done. My attention is
20:29
trying to keep me safe. It's
20:33
trying to get me belonging. It's
20:36
trying to protect the communities
20:38
that I'm a part of. And
20:41
so of course, when I'm
20:43
again, back to my relationship with my husband,
20:46
I, whenever I would want
20:48
to tell him how much
20:51
I needed him, how much I loved him,
20:54
how worried I was that he would leave,
20:56
how the thing, some of
20:59
the things that he did hurt my feelings
21:01
or made me feel like. Small.
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I would have a part of me that would scream.
21:07
No, do not
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say that. Stop. You cannot
21:12
say that. He's going to think you're gross.
21:14
He's going to think you're needy. He's going to think
21:16
that there's something. Why are you so needy?
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Stop. No, no. Just
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deal with it on your own. You just tuck
21:23
that feeling down in there. No,
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that's gross. Even as
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I say that, I kind of feel the anxiousness intention
21:31
in my body and that's what it would feel like.
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Right, like, I have all of this hurt or
21:36
this vulnerability or this tenderness. I want
21:38
to share and I can't because
21:40
this protector part is
21:42
in the way. And
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so when we want to make the switch
21:48
from stuckness or being stuck
21:50
in that. You know,
21:53
place where I can't do anything right
21:55
except go hide and pretend like
21:57
nothing is wrong and lick my wounds
21:59
in private and take care of my
22:02
sadness on my own. That's my only option.
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That feels really stuck. And
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so to move into a place of security
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means to help that part
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know. That I can handle
22:18
what's going to happen. And it involves
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creating a completely different conversation
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around those big feelings and
22:26
around the worries that those parts
22:29
have about
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what's going to happen if you
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tell this other person, what you really think. What's
22:36
going to happen if you share your
22:39
innermost tenderness? And
22:41
maybe not even innermost tenderness, but like, what's
22:43
going to happen if you tell your boss, you know what,
22:45
I'm going through a really hard time right now.
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I have a lot of demands on my mental health
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or on my actual physical health.
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And I'm not going to be able to take on that extra project
22:56
right now, because
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what we worry about most is
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punishment. And when it's
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tied to receiving love,
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economic security, of course
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it feels scary. But
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on the other hand, we have the self abandonment,
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the overworking, the overgiving, the
23:18
not taking care of ourselves. And
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so if you are at a point in your
23:23
relationships where
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you can see that stuckness.
23:29
And it hurts or it
23:31
bothers you, or, you know, you just
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something has to change and
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you've been putting a lot of time and energy and effort
23:38
into hoping or hinting, then
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this workshop is for you. I've tried
23:44
to make it as easy as possible
23:46
to say yes. All of the details
23:48
that you need to know are in the link in
23:50
the show notes and in my bio, but I'm going to tell you what they are here.
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Just so you know. It's two 90
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minute classes. on
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June 27th, excuse me, June 25th
24:00
and June 27th in the later
24:02
evening so that anyone can attend. First
24:06
night, June 25th, I'm
24:08
going to teach you how to create the security
24:11
with you. And then
24:13
the second night, I'm going to teach you how
24:15
to create that security or how to take
24:17
that security that you've created with yourself
24:21
into the relationships that you're trying to
24:23
change. So that you can have
24:25
some of these conversations, you're
24:27
going to leave those two sessions
24:30
with an actual playbook
24:33
for how to maintain and
24:35
continue to create more security
24:37
with yourself. And then
24:39
how to take that security and
24:42
have conversations, because
24:44
one of the things that is the hardest
24:46
for people pleasers is to say
24:49
the words we actually want to say. So
24:52
then you're going to have a period of time to practice,
24:55
but I'm not going to leave you all by yourself.
24:58
Between June 28th and July
25:00
7th, You're going to get a
25:03
mini podcast series that is private.
25:05
It is just for the people who sign up for this
25:07
class. They're going to be very
25:09
short episodes, reminders,
25:11
encouragement, stories,
25:14
strategies, tips to
25:16
just keep you on track. This
25:18
practice session or this kind of practice
25:20
time that you're going to be given between
25:23
June 28th and July 7th. It's
25:25
essential because it's you taking
25:27
that playbook on a test drive. And
25:30
we need to know what happens. We need to
25:32
know what goes right and we need
25:34
to know what goes wrong so that we can
25:37
tweak it and try again.
25:40
So in that period of time, you're going to get
25:42
the mini podcast series and I'm going to be sending
25:44
you some texts to encourage you
25:46
to invite any responses
25:49
and get you any coaching that you need.
25:53
Then on July 8th. We're going to
25:55
come back together for a group coaching
25:57
session. This is one of my favorite things
25:59
because it's where we evaluate
26:02
what worked, what didn't work, and what do I need
26:04
to keep going and try again.
26:07
If you are serious about building security,
26:11
this is the place to be because
26:14
you get the teaching, you get the
26:16
practice, you get the evaluation,
26:18
and then every participant
26:20
gets. a free one on one
26:23
session with me. 45
26:25
minutes that is just yours so
26:27
that I can go through with you the specifics
26:30
of your relationships. And
26:33
I can also offer you some information
26:35
on how I could be helpful if
26:37
you joined my group stop people pleasing.
26:40
Because one of the things that is
26:43
the most essential part of this is that
26:45
you begin to get a vision
26:47
of yourself with
26:49
more security. You begin
26:51
to see what would I be capable
26:54
of if I had more security
26:56
with myself and in my relationship.
26:59
A secure woman can
27:02
speak up with confidence. And
27:05
again, her confidence is not that everybody else is
27:07
going to like what she's going to say, or that
27:09
they're going to approve, but that she
27:11
approves and that she can handle
27:14
whatever happens. A
27:16
woman who is secure has
27:18
at least a general
27:21
understanding of what makes her happy, what
27:23
she wants, what she doesn't want, what she likes,
27:25
what she doesn't like, and she's able
27:28
to take the risk of sharing
27:30
that. Because she is so
27:32
connected to herself and
27:35
loves herself deeply. I
27:37
know that some of this sounds so
27:40
far away from where you are, but
27:42
I want you to just stick with me. Because we
27:44
can't move toward a goal unless
27:47
we have some idea. Of
27:49
why it's valuable. So
27:52
a secure woman can disappoint
27:54
other people when that
27:56
is what is best for her. It's
27:58
still not something she enjoys doing. There
28:01
might be some anxiety or some fear there. That's
28:03
very normal, but she can do
28:05
it when it is what needs
28:08
to happen. A secure
28:10
woman can have hard conversations.
28:14
She can set and hold boundaries. She
28:17
can decide the
28:19
direction of her life where she wants
28:21
to spend her time. And
28:24
self connection is
28:27
the goal here. Many people think
28:29
that when you stop people pleasing, you become selfish.
28:32
But what I want you to understand is that security
28:35
isn't selfish. It is self
28:37
connection. And the beautiful
28:40
thing about self connection is
28:42
once you have it, you want it for everybody.
28:45
Like, this feels so amazing to have
28:47
my own back this way. I want everybody to have
28:49
it. And so you show up differently.
28:52
You honor yourself and everyone
28:55
else in the relationship in a different
28:57
way that is not selfish
28:59
at all, but from
29:01
self connection and
29:04
from the confidence that you can handle whatever
29:06
happens. Thank you. You are a different
29:08
person in the relationships that you have,
29:11
and you can say what you need to say
29:13
and do what you need to do. And
29:16
that is like, if I could wave
29:18
my magic wand and have that
29:21
for every single person.
29:24
I think that's, that's it. Right. Because
29:27
when we can all remain in self
29:29
connection and love for me and
29:32
love and connection to you, then
29:35
our relationships are much more honest,
29:38
and they're much richer. So
29:41
if this sounds like. Something
29:43
that you want to consider this your invitation
29:46
to join this workshop
29:48
series that starts on June 25th, everything
29:51
you need to know to sign up. Oh, I forgot
29:53
to mention it's 37 tried to
29:55
make it super accessible and inexpensive.
29:58
One more time, you get the 290 minute
30:01
master classes on the 25th and 27th of June.
30:04
There's a practice period where you get a lot of support
30:07
and a lot of interaction from me between
30:10
the 28th of July and the 7th
30:12
of June. Of June, excuse me, 28th
30:15
of June and 7th of July,
30:18
and then on the 8th of July, a group
30:20
coaching program. And then a
30:22
one on one. I
30:25
can't wait to see you. Whenever
30:28
I do something like this, I put my heart into it
30:31
because it is truly my wish
30:33
that every single woman, every
30:35
single human be able to
30:37
act from self connection and confidence,
30:40
having their own back. And that's what we're going to do. I'll
30:42
see you then.
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