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Hey there, this is Ari. Welcome back

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to the show. In this episode, I

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want to introduce you to Dr. Michael

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Platt. He is board certified

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in internal medicine and he's president

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of the Platt Wellness Center and

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one of the most well-known specialists

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in the realm of natural hormone

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replacement therapy and bioidentical hormones, successfully

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treating thousands of patients all over

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the world. He's also

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a renowned author with his book

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Adrenaline Dominance, being the only book

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ever written that explores how excess

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adrenaline affects our body. And

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that is the topic that we are going to

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be talking about in this episode, which

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is a very novel one that very

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few, if any, people are really talking

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about in the way that Dr.

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Platt is. It is

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also at times an

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interesting conversation in the sense that some of

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the things he's talking about and some of

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the things that the ways that

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he's presenting them on

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a paradigm level, as

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you'll hear in the episode, didn't make a ton of sense

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to me. And so at times I

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pushed back on certain topics

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and we engaged in really

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wonderful exchanges and back and forths around

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some of these things that

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I think was really fruitful. And I

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think that you're going to get a lot of

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value from this. I think he's got a lot

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of wisdom to share and a lot of novel

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ideas that most people aren't talking

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about or even considering. So enjoy the

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episode. So welcome to the show, Dr.

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Platt. Such a pleasure to have you. Well,

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I'm actually very glad to be here.

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Great. So I

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am very excited to dig into

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a lot of the

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topics that you've built out in your

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work. You're talking about things

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from a unique perspective that I

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haven't really heard anybody talk about. Having

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said that, I have seen... some

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indications in the literature of

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this thing that you're

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referring to that you've built out in. And

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maybe we'll get there. One of

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the avenues that I've seen it

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is something called idiopathic postprandial syndrome

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where we start to see some

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indications of this thing called adrenaline

2:20

dominance or maybe adrenaline is

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playing an issue in certain symptoms and yet we

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don't really have a syndrome for it. We don't

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really have a lot of research or

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clinicians talking about this thing. So

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I guess to start with, could you sort

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of explain what this whole thing is of

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adrenaline dominant

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and sort of how you arrived at this

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and sort of big picture like what

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is going on in this scenario

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of adrenaline dominance and what kind of symptoms

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might a person have? I

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think most people have heard of adrenaline. Adrenaline

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is both a hormone as well as

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a neurotransmitter. Most

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people think of it as a

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fight or flight lemma, which

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is true. When people are

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in danger, the body pours out adrenaline. But

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actually that's a very rare reason why the

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body puts out adrenaline. What

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is not generally understood is what

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the main function of adrenaline is.

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Once people understand that, you can

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see why it is so important

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and all-encompassing. The

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primary function of adrenaline is to raise sugar

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levels for the brain. Most

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people do not realize that the brain uses more

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sugar than any other tissue in the body

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and anytime the body detects

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a drop in sugar in the brain,

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it simply puts out adrenaline to raise

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sugar levels. Understandably,

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the brain runs out of fuel around 2.30

3:52

in the morning because the body puts

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out adrenaline. the brain is out of

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fuel. And so a

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lot of people wake up at that time,

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they'll have to urinate because adrenaline actually gets

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people that urge to urinate. Now,

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where I got involved with this is

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that I've always been interested in hormones. Ever since

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my mother died at the age of 61 of

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breast cancer, and I realized

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that I had inherited her hormones, you

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know, men and women had the identical hormones,

4:26

different levels, but the same hormones. And

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she, you know, she died of breast cancer,

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and I realized because of that, that she

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was low on progesterone, because estrogen is what

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causes breast cancer. And she

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had a belly on her. And the

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only thing that puts on fat around the middle is insulin.

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So I knew that she had a lot of insulin. And

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at that time, I used to have to

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slap my face when I was driving, trying to keep

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my eyes open. So I knew I

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was over producing insulin, you know, getting low blood

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sugars. So in any event, I

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started using progesterone, and I

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never got sleepy in a car again. And

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so I realized that, you know, progesterone

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blocks insulin. And

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in any event, so I started getting involved

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with hormones, and I had

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the luxury of being able to

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sit down for about two hours with every patient,

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and learn about how their body

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operates. And, you know, when

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you read my books, you

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know, I started with the miracle of bio-identical hormones,

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you'll notice that there are no references in

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my books, you know, to articles or

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other books, because everything I have learned,

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I've learned from talking to my patients.

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And after a while, I realized that there

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are similarities in a lot of my patients.

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In other words, they had a lot of

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the same symptoms. And,

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you know, from, I guess

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intuitively or logically, I

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realized that they're actually putting out a lot

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of adrenaline, you know, which is a very

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powerful hormone. You know, when you

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talk about road rage, that's adrenaline. It's a

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very powerful hormone. And so,

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you know,

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but what I found was is

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that when people were put on progesterone cream,

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not the pills, but the cream, that

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the cream seemed to block

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the effects of adrenaline. And

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that opened up a whole new world to

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me in terms of, you know, adrenaline and

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how to treat people. And so over a

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period of time, I realized

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that the most important thing when

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it came to adrenaline is how people were eating

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and whatever. And, you know,

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eventually I wrote a book called Adrenaline Dominance.

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And just to give you an idea, it

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is the only book ever written

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that talks about adrenaline and the

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clinical consequences. So it is completely

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off the radar of the medical community, even

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though excess adrenaline is the cause of

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many conditions which we'll talk about. So

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I don't know if that put things in perspective for you,

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but it's an important

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hormone. Yes, absolutely. And that's what I

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was getting at in

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sort of my initial intro, that very

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few people seem to have this on their

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radar at all and

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be aware of it as a thing. So

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given that, how might someone

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know if they have excess adrenaline, if this

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is an issue for them? I suspect that

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this is very difficult to test for, given

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my understanding of adrenaline is that it's very

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rapidly released and then also sort

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of goes away pretty rapidly in

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most scenarios. Correct me if

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I'm wrong. And but

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how would someone know if they have this as

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an issue? Okay, first

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of all, excess adrenaline is

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the number one reason why people are trouble

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sleeping. So you know, some

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people, you know, they grind their teeth at night

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or they toss and turn or the rest the

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restless light syndrome, these are all things

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caused by excess adrenaline. The

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other thing, when people have a lot of adrenaline,

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they may find they have cold hands and cold

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feet. And the reason

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for this is that adrenaline is

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a survival hormone, cuts off

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blood supply to areas of the body not

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needed for survival. So most

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people, for most doctors, think of cold

8:22

hands and cold feet is caused by

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an undirected thyroid, but actually it's adrenaline.

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And also it cuts off blood supply to the

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intestines because they're not needed for survival.

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And that's where constipation of IBS

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comes from. And it also

8:36

cuts off blood supply to the salivary glands.

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So people with chronic anxiety and anxiety

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is only caused by excess adrenaline.

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But a lot of people with chronic anxiety

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have a dry mouth, again,

8:49

because the circulation to the salivary glands

8:51

is cut off. And this

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is why, you know, when

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people do hormone testing, I, you

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know, I always suggest that they

8:59

never do saliva testing. And

9:02

the reason for this is because the adrenaline cuts

9:04

off blood supply to the salivary

9:06

glands and hormones don't get into

9:08

the saliva. And this has

9:11

resulted in the false or the

9:13

misdiagnosis of a condition called adrenal

9:15

fatigue. It's a condition that doesn't

9:17

exist. You

9:20

know, but it's all based on

9:22

getting low cortisol levels in the

9:24

morning saliva. If

9:26

the doctors did a blood test, they would find

9:28

the cortisol level is actually high. And

9:34

going back to what you brought up, a

9:37

blood cortisol in the morning before 9

9:39

o'clock is actually the best test for

9:41

excess adrenaline. And

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this is because the adrenaline creates stress to

9:46

the body and the body responses stress by

9:48

putting out cortisol. Anyway,

9:52

so the, so

9:55

getting back to what people might, when

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people have a lot of adrenaline, they're very often, you know,

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they're very often... will find a lot of tension at the back

10:02

of the neck. They'll

10:04

be quick to anger, short-fused. I mean,

10:06

we talked about road rage, but

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any kind of anger can be

10:11

caused by excess adrenaline. They

10:14

may have anxiety, they may find when they sit

10:16

down that their knee taps up and down. And

10:23

also, on television, they

10:25

talk about an overactive bladder when it

10:28

comes to women. But actually,

10:30

an overactive bladder is caused by

10:32

adrenaline. And some

10:35

women, they're rushing to the bathroom, they can't make

10:38

it, they get some leakage, and that

10:40

is called urgency incontinence.

10:42

But again, adrenaline. Now,

10:48

going back to the early days, you

10:50

may have heard of babies that get colic, and

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colic is caused by adrenaline. And you

10:55

can actually eliminate colic in about three

10:57

minutes. You don't have

10:59

to stay up all night with a crying baby.

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Just rub some progesterone cream on the baby's belly,

11:03

it'll go away in about three minutes. And

11:07

then you have bedwetting in children, and

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bedwetting is only caused by excess adrenaline.

11:12

And later on, people with ADHD. ADHD

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is all about adrenaline. And

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you can actually eliminate ADHD in 24 hours just

11:20

by lowering adrenaline. So

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in any event,

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it's a very pervasive type situation. How

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does it tie in with fatigue?

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More broadly, chronic fatigue. How do

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you see adrenaline dominance as far

11:43

as sort of overlapping with the

11:45

symptomology of chronic fatigue? Well,

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for a number of reasons. Okay, number

11:51

one, when people have a lot of adrenaline, they

11:53

keep their muscle tense. Remember, it's the fight or

11:55

flight hormone. And when you keep muscle

11:58

tense, you use up a tremendous amount of adrenaline. of

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energy. You know, fibromyalgia is one

12:02

of the conditions caused by excess

12:04

adrenaline. You know, doctors say there's

12:06

no cure for fibromyalgia and there

12:08

are like four million people in

12:10

this country with fibromyalgia who've

12:12

all been told there's no cure for

12:15

it, but actually it's a very easy

12:17

condition to get rid of just by

12:19

lowering adrenaline. But one of

12:21

the main things that people complain about

12:23

when they have fibromyalgia is fatigue. And

12:26

that's again, because they keep their muscle tense.

12:28

The other thing is, is that, you

12:31

know, adrenaline

12:36

is a stimulant

12:38

to the body. And

12:41

so when people have a lot of adrenaline,

12:43

they do not tolerate thyroid. So,

12:47

you know, one of the actions of

12:49

cortisol that's released when people are under

12:51

stress is that it actually is

12:54

an anti thyroid hormone. And

12:57

the reason why the body does that is

13:00

because when people have a lot of adrenaline,

13:02

like I say, they do not tolerate thyroid.

13:04

And that could be another reason why people

13:06

might have fatigue. Now

13:09

that usually doesn't kick in

13:11

until after you lower the adrenaline levels,

13:14

as part of the treatment, that

13:16

underlying low thyroid may kick

13:18

in and people will become very tired once

13:21

they get rid of you, because they've been

13:23

living on adrenaline for energy. And that's gone

13:25

now. Fascinating

13:29

stuff. Okay, so let's

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go to adrenal fatigue. And

13:36

this is an interesting thing

13:39

because I am actually, I

13:42

don't want to take too much credit here for

13:45

this, but I've been one

13:47

of the most vocal critics of

13:50

the adrenal fatigue hypothesis. For

13:52

many, many years now, I originally took a

13:55

lot of flak for this. And now I'm happy to

13:57

see that functional medicine. medicine

14:00

community and natural health

14:02

community has largely, not

14:04

entirely, but largely gotten

14:06

on board with me and

14:08

the few other people like yourself who

14:11

are putting out information that

14:13

debunks this. Now

14:15

I approach this from an entirely

14:17

different angle than you did and

14:19

I ended up spending about a year of my

14:21

life exploring the literature on the relationship

14:25

of cortisol

14:27

and HPA axis hypothalamic pituitary

14:29

adrenal axis more broadly and

14:32

fatigue syndromes and

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its relationship to chronic fatigue

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syndrome and there's many other

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fatigue syndromes like stress related

14:41

exhaustion disorder, vital exhaustion, burnout

14:44

syndrome and clinical burnout. And

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there's over 25 years of research and

14:50

about 59 studies

14:53

that have been done all over the world

14:55

in relationship to testing cortisol

14:57

levels in HPA axis function in

14:59

relationship to these different fatigue syndromes.

15:02

And what that body of evidence makes

15:04

very clear is that there is no

15:07

relationship between, there

15:10

is no predictable relationship between

15:14

cortisol levels and these various fatigue

15:17

syndromes and there's certainly no evidence

15:21

for a relationship between

15:23

chronic stress causing low

15:25

cortisol levels. In

15:27

general most chronic stressors and this

15:29

lines up with what you're saying,

15:31

most chronic stressors whether we're looking

15:34

at chronic psychological stressors and there's

15:36

studies looking at

15:38

all kinds of psychological stressors, you

15:40

know, relationship stress, financial stress, there's

15:43

studies looking at chronic

15:47

stress from toxic exposures like

15:49

cigarette smoking or chronic alcoholism

15:52

or chronic metabolic stress from various

15:54

disease states and

15:57

chronic physical stress from physical over

15:59

training. And virtually none of

16:01

those studies give

16:03

evidence for any

16:07

indication that chronic stress results in

16:09

fatiguing the adrenals and causing low

16:11

cortisol levels. In general, that

16:13

body of evidence supports higher than normal

16:16

cortisol levels being associated with various kinds

16:18

of chronic stress, which I think lines

16:20

up perfectly with what you're saying. You

16:25

know, while we're talking about cortisol, you

16:29

know, when people do testing,

16:31

you know, they have a normal range. And

16:35

the normal range for cortisol usually goes up

16:37

to 19.4. In some

16:39

places, it's 23.2. However,

16:42

you know,

16:45

the normal range for

16:47

cortisol was actually obtained from

16:49

medical students working

16:51

in hospitals. And because

16:54

they're readily accessible and whatever.

16:56

And but keep in mind

16:58

that doctors have increased

17:01

adrenaline. Almost all

17:03

doctors have increased adrenaline.

17:06

So the normal

17:08

range for cortisol is actually higher than it

17:10

should be. To me, anything above

17:12

14 is high, you

17:16

know, in the morning before 9 o'clock. So I just

17:19

want to let you know that. Don't

17:22

go by the normal ranges. Right. Okay.

17:25

So basically, there's

17:27

a lot of hubbub around

17:29

low cortisol levels in general, the

17:32

relation that, you know,

17:34

sort of, I guess to summarize my

17:36

angle, having explored the body of evidence

17:38

is that there's no compelling

17:40

evidence that supports the idea that the

17:42

adrenals are getting fatigued or that this

17:44

is resulting in low cortisol

17:46

or that this is resulting in the symptom

17:48

of fatigue. You're saying

17:51

there's a huge enormous

17:53

confounding variable in the

17:55

vast majority of those studies because most

17:58

of them are using salivary

18:00

cortisol and you're saying adrenaline

18:02

dominance will result in a

18:05

low salivary cortisol measurement not

18:07

because there's actually low cortisol

18:09

but because it's affecting specifically

18:11

salivary cortisol by affecting blood

18:13

flow to that region of

18:15

the body. Is that accurate?

18:18

It's very accurate. Okay. Absolutely

18:20

right. Okay. So, and

18:24

the best test to document

18:27

adrenaline dominance you're saying

18:29

is morning tests of

18:31

blood cortisol levels, correct?

18:34

Correct. But when people have a lot of

18:37

adrenaline, actually you don't need to do any

18:39

testing. It's pretty apparent actually.

18:42

At least to me it is. Based on the

18:44

signs and symptoms. Absolutely.

18:46

And what are those signs and symptoms again?

18:50

Well, again, they'll have trouble sleeping. They'll

18:52

be quick to anger. They'll

18:54

have tension in the back of the

18:56

neck, cold hands, cold feet, possibly constipation.

19:01

The, well,

19:06

they may tap their knee up and down. They

19:12

might have anxiety. You know, these are

19:14

all problems related to excess

19:16

adrenaline. Okay. If I was going

19:19

to play devil's advocate, let's say I'm

19:21

a conventional doctor and I'm skeptical of

19:23

what you're saying. And

19:25

I say, oh, you know, this guy's just

19:27

making this whole thing up of adrenaline dominance and

19:30

we can't even test for adrenaline. And how

19:32

does he really know that this is in

19:35

fact the result of adrenaline dominance?

19:38

And maybe some of those signs and

19:40

symptoms could be resulting from other things.

19:44

So what, I guess, what

19:46

is the most

19:48

sort of, what is like

19:51

the evidence that led you to

19:53

strongly conclude that this was

19:56

in fact adrenaline dominance specifically?

20:01

You know, everything that I

20:03

do is based on observational

20:05

based medicine, not evidence based

20:08

medicine. You know, I didn't do studies,

20:11

double blind studies and whatever. But

20:14

observational based medicine is how medicine progressed

20:17

over the last thousand years. And

20:20

you know, around 50 years ago, they threw it

20:22

out. They said it was all anecdotal and not

20:24

to believe it. And this because

20:26

the drug companies came in with their

20:28

evidence based medicine, which they could manipulate.

20:32

But in any event, what

20:34

I have found is that by

20:36

lowering adrenaline levels, all

20:41

these symptoms disappear. And

20:45

I couldn't really attribute people

20:47

getting better to anything else. You

20:50

know, for example, you know, the

20:54

primary approach to increased adrenaline is

20:56

nutritional. And

20:58

so and

21:00

basically it's providing the two fuels

21:02

that the brain requires. And

21:05

I can't think of anything, any

21:07

conditions that will get better just by providing

21:09

the brain with glucose

21:11

from vegetables and ketones

21:14

from MCT oil and coconut

21:16

oil. And

21:19

the other thing is that let

21:21

me give you an example why

21:25

I'm such a believer. I

21:27

had a patient come in. He was 47 years old. Now

21:30

the reason why he came in to see me is

21:33

because every morning he would wake up and vomit. And

21:36

the only thing that will cause that kind of

21:38

vomiting is adrenaline. You

21:41

know, they have another condition called cyclical

21:43

vomiting syndrome. Again, they don't know

21:45

the cause of it, but actually the cause of that

21:47

is also adrenaline. And there's

21:49

another condition called hyperemesis gravidarum, where

21:52

women vomit throughout the entire pregnancy,

21:54

also caused by excess adrenaline and

21:56

also unknown to the medical community.

22:00

So he complained about vomiting,

22:03

you know, morning

22:05

vomiting. And he

22:08

had severe fibromyalgia. And

22:11

so, you know, I had some progestering cream

22:13

on my desk, and I put some on

22:15

his forearm. He rubbed his arms together. And

22:17

we started talking again. And about

22:19

five minutes later, he sat back

22:22

in his chair, and he looked at me, and

22:24

he said, Doc, in my entire life, I have

22:26

never felt this good. Now,

22:29

you know, that, to me,

22:31

is actually evidence-based medicine, actively.

22:34

It's also observational-based medicine. I

22:36

mean, and

22:39

so, but one of the benefits of

22:41

progestering is that it blocks adrenaline. And,

22:44

you know, that's why he had such

22:46

immediate relief. And so

22:49

I can't, I'll be honest with you, I can't think

22:51

of anything other than

22:54

adrenaline that would respond to

22:56

the treatment, you know,

22:58

to lower it. So

23:03

again, it's all observation.

23:05

It's not evidence-based medicine, but. Yeah.

23:09

I gotcha. So let's

23:12

talk root causes. And based

23:15

on your earlier description and

23:17

talking about ADHD and some

23:20

of the other symptoms you mentioned, I mean, just looking at

23:22

ADHD, this is extraordinarily

23:26

widespread today. Yes.

23:30

So this thing of adrenaline

23:32

dominance is not, it's

23:34

not just, oh, you know, this 0.3% of the population,

23:40

0.1% of the population that has fibromyalgia,

23:42

or 1% of the population, maybe. It's

23:47

not some rare thing. This is something that

23:49

I would imagine you believe

23:52

maybe 30%, 40%, 50% of the population is suffering

23:56

from adrenaline dominance. Is that accurate to say?

23:59

I would say so. so. Okay and

24:03

so let's talk root causes and I can

24:05

take a stab at some of these root

24:07

causes you know that we have going on

24:09

in the modern world as far as stressors

24:11

that are likely to sort of put our

24:14

body on high alert and stimulate adrenaline but

24:16

what would you consider to

24:18

be the most essential sort

24:22

of foundational root causes of this

24:25

or most common perhaps root

24:27

causes of adrenaline dominance? Actually

24:33

it's genetic if

24:36

it's if somebody has increased adrenaline then

24:38

one of both parents had increased adrenaline

24:40

if a child has ADHD then one

24:42

of both parents have ADHD. You

24:46

know increased adrenaline always runs in

24:48

families always again

24:51

that's my own observation. And

24:55

creative people creative people

24:59

people in the music industry

25:01

interior designers people in Hollywood

25:04

creative people actually have

25:06

the most adrenaline. Why

25:09

that's so I can't explain but

25:11

it's just the fact is that

25:13

creative people have the most adrenaline

25:15

that's why you see why I

25:18

believe you see a lot of drugs and alcohol

25:20

in the music industry and and actors

25:23

and actresses might be get involved in drugs

25:25

and alcohol if there's something

25:28

going on now with Sean Penn but

25:32

in any event the

25:36

and it's to creative people you

25:40

know for example you only see

25:42

bedwetting and creative type children only

25:48

and women that vomit throughout their entire

25:51

pregnancy are always creative

25:53

type women. So

25:56

the primary to answer your

25:58

question that the primary reason why people

26:00

have increased adrenaline is

26:03

genetic. And now,

26:07

you know, there's certain stresses that

26:09

will increase adrenaline and whatever. And

26:12

professional athletes have a lot of adrenaline. You know,

26:14

that's why they can excel

26:16

in athletes, athletic performance.

26:19

But people in the military, people

26:21

in the Army, law

26:24

enforcement, they also have a lot of

26:26

adrenaline. Okay,

26:28

let me ask you this. I

26:31

want to push back on this statement a

26:33

bit. Let's

26:37

take ADHD as an example. The

26:40

incidence, the prevalence of

26:42

ADHD has increased dramatically

26:45

in, I don't know what the exact percentage,

26:47

300, 500 percent in

26:49

the last few decades, as

26:51

far as how common it is. This

26:54

cannot possibly be due to

26:56

genetics changing. So

27:00

when you say it's genetics, I mean,

27:02

we have, we can look at the,

27:04

for example, the proportion

27:07

of, let's say, type 2

27:09

diabetes that can be explained

27:11

genetically or the proportion of

27:14

cardiovascular disease or Alzheimer's disease

27:16

that can be explained genetically.

27:19

For certain genes like the BRCA gene

27:21

that's been linked with breast cancer. But

27:25

it would be incorrect to

27:28

say these are genetic diseases.

27:30

There's genetic propensity, but

27:33

the disease is primarily disease

27:35

of lifestyle and environment that's

27:37

interacting with those genes that's

27:39

actually creating the gene. Meaning

27:41

a hunter-gatherer with as much

27:44

genetic propensity for type 2

27:46

diabetes as possible, they

27:48

could be the most genetically susceptible person in

27:50

the world, but if they're eating a traditional

27:53

diet and moving their body, they won't get

27:55

type 2 diabetes. So how do you conceptualize

27:57

that when it comes to adrenaline

27:59

dominance? Well, now

28:02

this is my own personal observation. And

28:05

I, let me tell you, I have

28:07

dealt with thousands and thousands of patients.

28:11

I have always found somebody

28:13

with increased adrenaline that

28:16

one of both parents had it also. And

28:21

the, so,

28:24

so I, what

28:26

I maintain is that people

28:29

perhaps might have a genetic propensity

28:32

to, you know,

28:34

have problems related to excess adrenaline. And

28:37

that there might be something in the environment that brings it

28:39

out, you

28:42

know, but, but I, but

28:46

I do think, I do think

28:48

there's a very strong genetic component

28:50

to this. Okay. And I

28:52

mean, to me, it would

28:55

seem, I mean, we're

28:57

just getting out of two years of COVID, which

29:01

has been enormously stressful.

29:05

We have these, you know, devices in

29:07

our hand and social media and

29:11

just the modern world. I mean,

29:13

so many aspects of how we

29:15

live now are physiological

29:17

stressors. I, I'm,

29:20

to be honest, I'm a bit surprised that

29:22

you wouldn't conceptualize those as being more a

29:27

more dominant factor than, than the

29:29

genetic aspect. Of course, I'm sure

29:31

there's a genetic susceptibility to everything,

29:33

but you, you don't conceptualize

29:36

a lot of these environment and lifestyle things

29:38

as being sort of the primary cause of

29:40

this. I

29:43

don't. I

29:45

hear where you're coming from. And now remember COVID has

29:47

been the last two years, but I've been dealing with

29:49

this for the last 20 years. Sure.

29:52

And before COVID,

29:54

I, well,

30:00

And, you know, it's

30:03

like, when

30:06

you talk about ADHD, you know, you

30:09

have the typical ADHD and

30:11

you have the what they call ADD,

30:13

you know, kids that have trouble focusing, but

30:15

they're not hyperactive. These are the creative type

30:17

children, by the way. And

30:22

the, and

30:25

again, what I have always found is

30:27

that if somebody is what I call

30:30

a creative type ADHD, one

30:34

of both parents were also creative. And

30:38

so I just think that if it's

30:40

a strong genetic component to it, I'm

30:43

willing to be proved

30:46

wrong. I really am. You know,

30:48

I hear what you're saying, I guess, and

30:51

not to harp on this too much, and

30:53

hopefully I'm doing it in a respectful way,

30:55

because I don't doubt

30:58

that there is a strong genetic susceptibility

31:00

component, but so

31:03

much of my work focuses

31:05

on the differential between sort

31:07

of what human biology is

31:09

wired to function healthy on

31:12

and the modern world and how

31:14

that mismatch creates all kinds of

31:16

pathology and disease states. So

31:19

I'm inclined to see things through that lens.

31:21

But I guess another way of stating this

31:23

would be, let's say instead of

31:25

just the last 20 years, you had been doing this for the

31:27

last 100 years or 150 years. And

31:33

you could quantify how many people,

31:35

like what proportion of the population

31:37

has this issue 100 years

31:41

ago versus what proportion has it

31:43

now. And I would bet

31:45

a lot of money, if this

31:47

were possible to do, I would bet a lot of money that

31:50

it's a thousand percent

31:52

more common, let's say 10

31:55

fold more common than it could

32:00

was a hundred years ago. The

32:02

challenge I just

32:04

the last 20 years is for that

32:08

modern stressful world and

32:11

you have in the

32:14

world. I think the only way in

32:16

doing it would be if you could contrast the prevalence

32:19

from a

32:28

hundred years ago to today and then that

32:30

can only be explained. It can't be explained

32:32

genetically, it could only be explained environmentally. Okay,

32:35

I'll go along with that. Thank

32:39

you for granting me that.

32:41

So having

32:43

said that, I guess part of

32:46

the reason I'm harping on that so much is

32:48

because it affects how we

32:50

think about fixing the solution. If

32:52

adrenaline dominance is we just say,

32:54

hey, this is purely genetic and

32:58

it happens for random reasons then the solution

33:00

is going to be, well,

33:02

just use this pill or that

33:04

pill or whereas if

33:06

we conceptualize it as environmental then it

33:09

becomes much more of a focus on

33:11

reducing the stress at the environment and

33:13

lifestyle level. So I guess I'm curious

33:16

now given how you're conceptualizing this, how

33:18

you think it should be ideally treated?

33:25

It's probably a lot easier to give

33:27

somebody some progestering cream than it is to try

33:30

to adjust their environment. And

33:34

what's nice about progesterone is that basically

33:37

there's no downside to it.

33:41

Unfortunately, doctors

33:44

are prescribing oral progesterone

33:47

nowadays like Prometrium and

33:50

what they're probably not aware of is

33:52

that oral progesterone converts

33:54

into a different hormone called allopregnandalone,

33:58

Which is not progesterone. So

34:00

so abu So your listeners should

34:02

understand that when I used term

34:04

projects from we talk about progesterone

34:06

cream. Not

34:09

the pills. I

34:12

guys had no experience with the pills

34:14

a day, but I don't trust him.

34:17

Now you know they they give him at

34:19

night because you're one of its side effects

34:21

is drowsiness and sending. People

34:23

sleeps but but that's the L

34:25

A prick nine on this closeness

34:27

sleepiness. But in any event, You

34:31

know, You.

34:35

Know there there are. Others

34:38

situations that. Associate

34:41

with increase adrenaline that that we we

34:43

didn't talk about. The.

34:47

I'm. Getting.

34:51

Paid Things like my feeling is that a

34:53

lot of addiction people getting into drugs and

34:55

alcohol is because of ecstasy. Gonna be just

34:57

trying to. Chill out. You

35:00

know people going to detox in rehab

35:02

and and and the you know what

35:04

happens is was once once they are

35:06

detox state they leave and go right

35:08

back to drugs and alcohol because they're

35:10

not dealing with the underlying cause and

35:13

that's one of the problems with their

35:15

whole medical systems. that doctors are not

35:17

trying to treat the cause of illness,

35:19

it just give up and it and

35:21

they get no no no light training

35:23

in hormones even though Homers control everything

35:25

in the body. You

35:28

know, but again that's the drug companies that

35:30

have complete troublesome for hold medical system and

35:33

they have no interest in people being healthy.

35:35

but it's been a week. And

35:37

it's in it for the sex with

35:39

another session. But you

35:41

know, Again, the other thing

35:44

about. Why? People should be aware

35:46

of adrenaline is that it's my contention that

35:48

it's the the nub on price of waking.

35:51

Believe. It or not any eight and

35:53

this weight gain A Kurzweil People are sleeping

35:55

because member adrenaline takes it to thirty

35:57

in the morning. And and and the reason

35:59

why. The adrenaline is being released, history

36:01

sugar levels, and the whole thing about

36:03

sugar. It doesn't matter what people are

36:05

eating, sugar of the body is making

36:07

sugar. if you don't earn it up

36:10

then the party store sugar as fat

36:12

in your fat cells. So not only.

36:14

Give. The problem with adrenaline racing

36:16

sugar levels said. As. Soon

36:19

as body releases adrenaline in a crate,

36:21

stress in the body parts of cortisol

36:23

and the first and quarter so does.

36:25

it. also raises sugar levels. So now

36:27

what? People are lying in bed, basically

36:29

not moving. They're putting out to hormones

36:31

and race children with sugar levels and

36:33

I suspect that no one was a

36:35

weekend and nobody talks about. You.

36:39

Know and this is why some people you know they

36:41

die at the excited this that whatever they find a

36:44

never lose weight. And I suspected

36:46

was to put a away was sleeping. Again,

36:49

it's my own feeling. You.

36:52

Know. Things. Like depression you

36:55

know what one of the causes

36:57

of depression is what they call

36:59

in and Dodgers depressants. This is

37:01

a depression. it comes from within.

37:03

People are a depressed but they

37:05

don't know why they're depressed and

37:07

again my feeling is that this

37:09

is caused by internalization of anger

37:11

and again adrenaline is an angle.

37:13

Hama. The.

37:17

And. And certainly you know people

37:19

are trouble sleeping and people with

37:21

Ptsd and people that a bipolar

37:23

this is all you know. Adrenaline,

37:26

restless leg syndrome, Yeah.

37:30

And. So. I'm you

37:32

know? After

37:34

saying that adrenaline is because I think

37:36

of a lot of conditions. You know

37:39

when people carry a lot attention of

37:41

the back of the next? You know,

37:44

One. Of the things that people. Complain.

37:46

About he says it's called tinnitus in

37:49

a drink, ringing the ears and again

37:51

my feeling that the most common crisis

37:53

is tested in the back. The next

37:55

the cats what the circulation to the

37:57

inner ear? and one

37:59

worry talking about the neck. Having

38:02

said all of this, I'm hearing you focus a lot on progesterone

38:09

cream as it sounds like

38:11

pretty much the

38:14

central antidote to this problem of

38:16

adrenaline dominance. Is that accurate to

38:18

say? Well, it's

38:20

pretty accurate. Actually, the primary

38:23

approach is eating correctly. Because

38:27

the reason why the body is putting out adrenaline is

38:29

to raise sugar levels for the brain. So

38:31

if people actually provide fuel to the brain,

38:35

then the body won't have to put out adrenaline to

38:37

do it. Now the

38:40

brain uses two different fuels. You know, one

38:42

is glucose and I

38:45

found that the best source of

38:47

glucose actually comes from vegetables. And

38:50

the reason for that is that they're relatively low

38:52

glycemic. They don't produce a lot of insulin. You

38:55

know, candy and soda are great sources of

38:57

glucose, but they produce a lot of insulin,

39:00

which defeats the purpose. Okay,

39:02

so the other fuel which

39:04

is probably more important are ketones. And

39:07

you know people go on a ketogenic diet

39:09

and this that whatever, but I don't recommend

39:11

that because it's a tough diet to follow.

39:15

But people can get ketones directly from

39:17

coconut oil or something

39:19

derived from coconut oil called

39:21

MCT oil. Now

39:24

the benefit of MCT oil, it has no flavor,

39:26

so you can add it to anything. And

39:29

then the benefit of coconut oil,

39:31

it has a very high heat threshold. So it's

39:33

a very good cooking oil. One

39:40

side dish that I recommended like sweet

39:42

potatoes that have been sliced up

39:44

and fried in coconut oil rather than baked.

39:47

One of my favorites. So

39:52

eating correctly is one

39:55

thing and I recommend

39:57

actually people eat something before they go to

39:59

sleep. because remember the brain runs out of

40:01

fuel while people are sleeping. Like

40:04

some leftover vegetables from dinner. Now

40:08

where progesterone comes in, it does two

40:10

things. I

40:13

have people, if

40:15

they can use some progesterone before they eat

40:17

because as soon as people put food in

40:20

the mouth, the body's putting out insulin. And

40:22

when insulin goes up, blood sugar drops. And

40:24

when you get that drop in sugar, the

40:27

body will be putting out adrenaline to raise

40:29

sugar levels back up again. So one of

40:31

the ways of controlling adrenaline is also to

40:33

control insulin. What's nice about

40:35

progesterone, it blocks both insulin and adrenaline.

40:37

So you get like a double

40:40

benefit there. And

40:43

so I recommend people eat

40:45

something before they go to sleep and

40:47

use some progesterone cream. And this way, hopefully

40:49

they'll sleep a lot better throughout the night.

40:54

Another thing I was gonna mention when we're talking about

40:56

tinnitus, but there's another

40:58

problem with tension

41:00

in the neck. And

41:03

you've heard of people that complain about

41:05

migraine headaches. But what's

41:07

interesting is that every patient I

41:09

have ever seen who thought they were

41:12

having migraine headaches have a different type

41:14

of headache called occipital neuritis. Now

41:16

the difference is that occipital neuritis headaches

41:19

are easy to get rid of. Migraine

41:21

headaches, not so much. But

41:24

what happens, you have what's called the occipital

41:26

nerve sheet at the base of the skull.

41:30

And when people have a lot of adrenaline,

41:32

the muscle squeeze that nerve sheet and it

41:34

causes excruciating headaches. That's why they're always mistaken

41:36

for migraines. And these are the type of

41:38

headaches that shoot right into the back of

41:40

the eye. But

41:42

in any event, putting progesterone cream on the

41:44

back of the neck eliminates these

41:47

headaches and prevents them. It's

41:50

just like it can help get rid of tinnitus. So

41:54

I always, you know, usually progesterone

41:57

is recommended on the forearms, but another really

41:59

good... is the back of the

42:01

neck. People with restless leg

42:03

syndrome, they just have to massage the

42:05

cream into their thighs. It'll go in

42:07

about 30 seconds. I

42:12

should also mention that a lot of your

42:14

listeners might have dogs and

42:16

progression is really good for dogs. Also,

42:18

if they have what's called separation anxiety,

42:21

they just have to put the cream inside the ear,

42:23

which is like skin, and it'll

42:26

get rid of the separation anxiety in about one

42:28

minute. I

42:30

mentioned babies with colic. They just have to

42:32

rub the progesterone cream on the baby's belly,

42:36

and it'll go away in about three minutes. Bedwetting

42:41

takes about 24 hours, but

42:43

these are the children that also have to follow

42:45

the meal plan along with the progesterone cream. ADHD,

42:47

you can actually get rid of in 24 hours.

42:52

So anyway, I'm just saying that,

42:55

you know, one

42:57

of the nice things about getting

42:59

people well is very rewarding to

43:02

doctors to get somebody well, and

43:06

unfortunately, we don't see enough of it. Got

43:10

it. Okay, so to be honest,

43:14

my brain is struggling a bit to form

43:16

like a sort of coherent

43:19

framework of the paradigm that

43:21

you're presenting here. So

43:25

if I can summarize, and

43:27

please correct me where my understanding is

43:29

inaccurate, it's primarily

43:33

driven by genetics that we have

43:35

adrenaline dominance, and this

43:38

leads to many of the symptoms that

43:40

you've mentioned and fatigue and

43:43

something that overlaps with that in many

43:45

cases, and

43:50

the primary solutions that we have to

43:52

deal with it are using

43:55

nutrition in the way that you've

43:57

described and using progesterone cream. Correct?

44:02

Correct. Okay.

44:08

So from a root cause perspective, so if

44:11

this is being driven by genetics, do

44:13

these people also have low progesterone

44:16

genetically? You

44:19

know, I never test progesterone

44:22

levels. And the thing

44:24

is that they probably

44:27

do. It's

44:30

an excellent question. I suspect that

44:32

they very well might. I

44:35

think that there's a epidemic of

44:37

low progesterone levels actually. You know,

44:39

women that, you know, this

44:41

is why women wind up with fibroids and

44:44

endometriosis and polycystic ovaries. And of course,

44:47

being on birth control pills contributes

44:49

a lot to this because when

44:52

they're on birth control pills, they

44:54

don't ovulate and they don't make

44:56

progesterone. So yeah.

45:01

But otherwise, I'd say

45:03

you're pretty accurate. Okay.

45:06

So and you're pretty convinced

45:08

that there's no significant harms from using

45:10

progesterone in the way you're describing,

45:12

that we don't have to worry about

45:15

excessive progesterone levels creating side effects? In

45:19

general, that's true. There's one incident

45:23

or condition. You're

45:26

familiar with type 3 diabetes? Okay.

45:31

And for your listeners, it's insulin resistance in

45:33

the brain. And in this

45:35

case, the insulin in the brain has

45:37

a real hard time getting glucose into

45:39

the brain cells. Now, one of the

45:41

benefits of progesterone is that it does

45:43

create some degree of what's called insulin

45:46

resistance. And why I say this

45:48

is a benefit, you know, this is what

45:50

prevents people from getting sleepy in the afternoon

45:52

when insulin peaks or sleep after eating and

45:55

also sleepy when they're driving. It eliminates

45:57

that, which is a good thing. But

46:01

if somebody already has insulin resistance

46:03

in the brain and they use

46:05

progesterone, it increases the insulin resistance,

46:08

which results in an immediate outpouring

46:10

of excess adrenaline. And

46:12

so when somebody is using

46:16

progesterone for the first time and all of

46:18

a sudden has, you

46:20

know, like an out, you know, has

46:22

that increase in adrenaline and gets, you

46:24

know, tense and, you know, palpitations and

46:27

nervous and anxiety. Then

46:30

they probably have some degree of insulin

46:32

resistance in the brain. Now, two things can cause

46:35

this. Number one, they could have type

46:37

3 diabetes. Or the other thing is

46:39

that they just had no fuel in the brain, you

46:42

know, the glucose or

46:44

the ketones. So what

46:46

I recommend when people have a

46:48

reaction that they try eating, you

46:50

know, incorporating some

46:52

MCT oil and coconut oil

46:54

and vegetables, whatever, and then

46:56

retry the progesterone. But,

46:59

you know, they don't have a test for type

47:01

3 diabetes. But one test for it would be

47:04

the use of progesterone and whether or not they

47:06

get a reaction of adrenaline.

47:09

Again, this is

47:12

unknown to the medical community, but I'm

47:15

saying. Okay. Very interesting.

47:17

Okay. So this opens up another

47:19

avenue for exploration. Where

47:23

my brain's going right now is

47:25

to what extent the

47:27

strategies you're using, while

47:31

they may be highly effective in

47:33

resolving the symptoms, might be a

47:35

crutch rather than a solution

47:38

that is addressing the underlying causes. So

47:43

as an example, the recommendation to eat

47:46

before going to sleep. So

47:49

there's this relationship that you've touched on

47:51

a bit as

47:53

far as the relationship between insulin

47:55

resistance and adrenaline dominance.

47:58

And we can start to see. some connections forming

48:01

here like if which

48:19

is related to carrying excess body

48:30

that's primary driver of insulin

48:32

resistance which is a primary driver of

48:34

blood sugar dysregulation and I would imagine

48:36

you would agree with me by saying

48:38

that blood sugar dysregulation

48:41

is a key cause

48:43

in adrenaline dominance in

48:45

causing adrenaline surges and perhaps

48:47

the symptoms of night awakening. Is that

48:49

accurate to say? Yes, I would

48:52

agree with that. I

48:55

guess my and then you're talking also about

48:57

lack of fuel being

49:00

delivered to the brain and I would relate this

49:02

also I would tie it into the relationship

49:06

with carrying excess body fat,

49:08

blood sugar dysregulation and

49:11

metabolic inflexibility that is also

49:13

very much related to poor

49:16

body composition excess body fat. So

49:20

I guess my question would be why not also focus

49:26

or even make the central focus of

49:28

correcting this, correcting the body

49:30

composition and the blood sugar via

49:33

nutrition and lifestyle approaches

49:35

to resolve that rather than just say

49:37

to somebody who maybe has blood sugar

49:40

dysregulation eat a meal before bed so

49:42

it sustains you. I mean this seems

49:44

like more the difference between

49:46

addressing the root cause versus providing a

49:48

crutch and I'm not opposed to providing

49:50

a crutch temporarily but why

49:52

not also address the root cause. problems.

50:03

And what you're proposing

50:05

is something that I have really considered, but

50:08

it is very

50:10

interesting. I like

50:13

simple, I

50:15

like easy. But

50:19

again, to play the devil's advocate, when

50:22

people are able

50:24

to control adrenaline, they'll

50:27

also help control their weight. So

50:32

it's not as if it's being

50:35

completely disregarded. Yeah,

50:40

that's absolutely fair.

50:43

Yeah. But

50:46

yeah, but the thing

50:48

about projection,

50:50

like I say, it helps to

50:52

control insulin. And

50:54

if you can control insulin, you can

50:56

also control your weight. So

51:01

you take a more scientific approach and

51:04

logical approach. I take an easier approach.

51:07

I'm sure there are people who

51:10

maybe appreciate both approaches, depending on

51:12

context. Definitely, as

51:14

a patient, people want simple, easy,

51:16

low effort solutions. And it sounds

51:19

like the solutions that you've provided

51:21

are very much that. I mean,

51:24

very fast, effective fixes

51:26

for these symptoms. I'm

51:30

just my brain is hyper

51:32

focused on figuring out the underlying root

51:34

causes and how we can address

51:37

those, even if it's not necessarily the

51:39

easiest approach to, you know, in the

51:41

lowest effort approach. No,

51:45

I agree. Yeah. Okay,

51:47

so are

51:49

there any? Well, I guess

51:52

this also begs the question, you know, people

51:54

need a prescription for progesterone to use it

51:56

in the way you're describing. Is that is

51:58

that true? Or can you get over the counter progesterone?

52:02

Dr. David J. It

52:28

does down regulate into progesterone

52:31

but you have

52:33

no control because it can also go into

52:35

DHEA. And so

52:37

by using progesterone, I know they're getting

52:40

progesterone. Using

52:44

pregnadone couldn't hurt but it's not

52:46

as direct as using progesterone, 5%

52:48

progesterone. Got it. On

52:52

a personal note, I'm

52:55

curious because when

52:57

I go through periods of intense stress,

53:00

like I recently I had my sister

53:03

come for a visit and I had some unpleasant

53:07

kind of family drama with her that

53:09

really stressed me out for a couple

53:11

days. And when I

53:13

get stressed, I have eye

53:15

twitches. My left eye will start twitching.

53:18

I'm curious if you've experienced

53:20

that and if that's related

53:22

to adrenaline dominance in

53:24

any way. Dr.

53:26

David J. Well, any type of tick

53:28

type behavior could be

53:31

related to adrenaline, definitely. Yeah,

53:37

I'd say it probably was related to adrenaline. And,

53:44

you know, I also had some others.

53:46

My sleep was disturbed, so night awakenings.

53:48

I even had, for the first time

53:51

in my life, I actually had GERD

53:53

symptoms. I had some acid reflux because

53:55

the stress was so intense on me.

54:00

I'm curious, I guess,

54:02

just to loop back things back

54:05

into chronic fatigue in

54:07

particular. I

54:10

know you had some specific recommendations for

54:12

both migraines or what you're

54:14

saying is in most cases not actually migraines and

54:17

in fibromyalgia. Do you

54:19

have any specific recommendations or advice for people

54:21

who are dealing with chronic fatigue? Well,

54:26

again, it all depends

54:28

on the underlying cause. So

54:32

it doesn't matter what the problem is, you have

54:34

to approach it from the cause. So

54:37

again, if it's related to excess

54:39

adrenaline, then the treatment

54:42

would be to reduce adrenaline. If

54:44

it's due to a low thyroid, take

54:46

thyroid. So

54:51

I don't know if I answered your question. Yeah. Okay.

54:54

So wonderful stuff, really, really fascinating stuff,

54:57

Dr. Platt. I've enjoyed this and thank

54:59

you for the back and forth and

55:01

indulging me in that. Where

55:04

can people learn more from you

55:07

and follow your work and anything else that

55:09

you want to direct people to? Well,

55:12

I have a website. plattwellness.com,

55:16

P-L-A-T-T, plattwellness.com. And

55:24

if they want, they could get either an

55:26

e-book of My Adrenaline Dominance or they could

55:28

order the book. We

55:31

have the 5% Progesion Cream, but more

55:33

importantly, I also

55:35

have a meal plan

55:37

that they can download to lower

55:39

adrenaline. And

55:44

if they ever call my

55:47

office number, which is 760-836-3232, it'll go straight to my

55:49

cell phone.

55:57

So I'm very easy to get hold of. If

56:00

any questions or this that whatever.

56:03

Why? I don't know If you are you

56:06

sure he will forgive everyone. Couldn't hear your

56:08

personal cell phone number. Well. Monroe

56:11

Yami bombarded with more calls than

56:13

than you want. Well, I, you

56:15

don't I'm sort of semi retired

56:17

so a have time to and

56:19

again you know and I I.

56:21

I sort of feel bad about

56:23

our whole medical system. That said,

56:25

you know that doctors don't spend

56:27

enough time with patients to. You

56:32

know, and and I've I've seen some really. Abusive.

56:36

Type practices. But.

56:39

Anyway, So. I

56:41

you know there's a time that I wanted a

56:43

change health trend this country. but let me say,

56:46

the road blocks you run into. yeah. And

56:50

it guy that a unit medical medicine has

56:52

always been a passion for me but. So

56:57

to say again and the name of your

56:59

website. Itself plat Wallace you

57:02

know that bit of his of his

57:04

plat well as.com. Gilly. To

57:06

keep almost I come on.

57:10

And. Quests

57:12

on. Making.

57:16

By email is questions a

57:18

plat well as.com. Okay

57:21

and perfect. Thank you so much

57:23

Doctor Plot It was really have

57:26

a pleasure and very very intriguing.

57:29

Thought provoking stuff and I think there's definitely

57:31

you know of a lot to what you're

57:34

saying and I think a lot of people

57:36

are going to be benefited by by hearing

57:38

this answer If they're going to connect the

57:40

dots with some of their own symptoms and

57:42

realised maybe maybe adrenaline is playing a big

57:44

role in their symptoms. So thank you so

57:46

much for coming on and sharing your wisdom

57:49

with my audience. I really appreciate it. Can.

57:51

I add one little thing: absolutely heat up

57:53

your bed a D H D and people

57:56

need to understand the eighty Eight. She's not

57:58

a learning disorder. it's an interesting. The water

58:00

and know the rigid If the person

58:02

with a daisies interest they will focus

58:04

in our her as to they will

58:06

not focus. Yeah but the most important

58:09

but the most intelligent, successful creative people.

58:11

Earth of eighty a steak and I'm.

58:14

You. Know and so it's not. You know

58:16

that when I wrote my book Adrenaline Dominance

58:19

a talk about the good, the bad and

58:21

the ugly and the only condition I put

58:23

into good sex was A D H D.

58:26

Ah, Well.

58:28

By somebody who told somebody should have told me and my

58:30

parents that when I was a kid. Who

58:33

has been or did how did not

58:35

have eyes and so much but i

58:37

mean I just said was very much

58:39

the story of my childhood I absolutely

58:41

i think to have more extreme degree

58:43

then then everybody that i knew. I.

58:46

Could not get my brain to pay

58:49

attention in subjects that didn't interest me.

58:51

And. And and the

58:53

school was just painful for that reason

58:55

for me and up until I got

58:57

to actually dictate which subjects I was

58:59

gonna study. But recently I went back

59:01

and and my parents actually opened up

59:04

one of their safe that they stored

59:06

a lot of our childhood documents and

59:08

you know to early drawings and artwork

59:10

and stuff like that. And one of

59:12

the things that was in there was.

59:15

My. High School standardize national standardized

59:18

testing results and I didn't even

59:20

know this until just a few

59:22

years ago when I saw this.

59:24

But I'm I guess I forgot

59:26

about it or brushed off. But

59:30

I was. I would say pretty average.

59:32

You know, probably in the. The

59:35

eighties or maybe even high seventies

59:37

and certain subjects English and and

59:39

mass and things of that nature.

59:42

But I was in the ninety

59:44

eighth and Ninety ninth percentile for

59:46

science. As as

59:49

a high school student where I

59:51

had. No. Interest in school.

59:53

I didn't work hard, I didn't study, my

59:55

parents didn't print put any pressure on me

59:58

to study. I mean, I was like. As

1:00:00

almost as non engaged as you could

1:00:02

be in school and I was still

1:00:04

in the and the entire country and

1:00:06

ninety eight, ninety ninth percentile now was

1:00:08

just that's just a natural talent and

1:00:10

the fact that I was. I

1:00:14

was interested in science so I studied it on

1:00:16

my own. I was obsessed about it. I was

1:00:18

from a time I was a little kid. I

1:00:21

was studying. Physiology. And nutrition

1:00:23

and fitness and how to enhance athletic

1:00:25

performance. And I was also fascinated as

1:00:27

a teenager with a coral reefs and

1:00:29

marine biology and I had lived Coral

1:00:31

Reefs Aquarium and I would a Coral

1:00:34

Reef Aquariums and I would read up

1:00:36

and weren't even if I know Coral

1:00:38

Reef Aquarium Shop and I would read

1:00:40

encyclopedias and I could memorize the scientific

1:00:42

names of of hundreds of different coral

1:00:45

species until you were in the world.

1:00:47

They're located in what lighting and current

1:00:49

conditions they need and you know a

1:00:51

thousand difference. Fish species and I you

1:00:53

know I could. I could tell you everything there

1:00:55

is no about that and that was just. you

1:00:58

know that's difference between being interested or are not

1:01:00

interested. So what you're saying very much matches up

1:01:02

with my own personal experience. The

1:01:05

room and and my own I a huge

1:01:07

I never studied in high school or college

1:01:09

the was in. It's like got into medical

1:01:11

school that I started studying. Because

1:01:14

I had no interest in high school.

1:01:17

Or. College but yeah, medical school

1:01:19

eyes interested in Madison? Yeah, ah yes,

1:01:22

I can relate to which he sang

1:01:24

sung yeah, wonderful stuff. Thank you for

1:01:26

adding that. I really appreciate it and

1:01:28

thank you again for coming on. I

1:01:30

really appreciate you sharing, sharing your wisdom

1:01:33

with my audience, and wisdom, an accumulated

1:01:35

decades of experience in medicine, and and

1:01:37

you know, really, figuring your. Your

1:01:39

the. Brain that you bring to it

1:01:41

to try to question things and figure

1:01:44

things out yourself through experimentation with your

1:01:46

patience. I think it's a a wonderful

1:01:48

contribution to the field. so thank you

1:01:50

so much for tagging. Oh thank

1:01:52

you it's been it's been my pleasure and

1:01:54

get mine as well. I. Hope to

1:01:57

chat with you again soon. Thanks So much up!

1:01:59

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