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Have you ever wanted to reduce or moderate your consumption of alcohol or other drugs, but you didn't know how to do it or where to go for help? Today I talk to the founder of the nonprofit support group HAMS, Kenneth Anderson. HAMS stands for Harm reduction, Abstinence, and Moderation Support. They are a coalition of drug and alcohol users who support one another through recovery on their own terms. Kenneth and I discuss 12-step programs, harm reduction, cultural issues with alcohol, the difference between booze and other drugs, the lack of treatment options for folks who want to moderate (not quit) their drug or alcohol use, and a lot more. 

Additional links to Kenneth's  work: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09B78Z88R
https://www.amazon.com/How-Change-Your-Drinking-Reduction/dp/145383060X
https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=4zOAEAAAQBAJ&pg=GBS.PP1

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