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You are listening to Giro Bagan do by

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the cycling podcast. Today we are

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in Torino. Giro,

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it's not the Giro without

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Giro. Giro's

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going to media. How do you feel to start this Giro?

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I'm good because I already arrived here

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in Venerable in Turin two days ago.

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I already started my personal

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countdown. You have

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a lovely coral blue notebook here. It's

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traditional on Giro. You have a countdown on the back page.

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There's not much else in the notebook yet because it's the

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first day. But you have a list of stages. Why

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have you already struck off three stages? This

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is day one, Giro. No, no, no,

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no. For me, day one, as I already told

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you, is on Thursday when I arrived here. My

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last day is not the day

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in Rome, but the day after.

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Remember, the real Giro ends when

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I enter again on a beach.

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But mainly when I enter for

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the first time after Giro in

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my apartment. Giro, I'm worried about

1:13

a couple of things going into

1:16

Giro. One of the things I'm

1:18

worried about is this seismic activity,

1:20

the volcano, the possible eruption in Campi

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Flegre. We

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talked about the supervolcano that might erupt. There's

1:29

lots of activity over the last few

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days. But there are some people getting

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really worried about this. No, no, no.

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I can assure you that during the

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Giro, nothing will happen. And

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I think that nothing serious

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will happen in the next more

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or less 100 years. I

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have some good sources also near the

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volcano. I'm a reliable journalist around whether

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it's transfer speculation or transfer

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scoops on Twitter or supervolcanoes.

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So we believe you. Yeah,

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thank you. and have a

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nice zero and I hope to

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come back soon in

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this podcast that year

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after year. Do you have any choice

2:09

in the matter? Yes, exactly, but also

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because it remains my reason of life

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and maybe the main reason for which

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I mean here. Aiyam

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Naisey Tra

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administration keeps on listening to now My

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name is Marco, Marc Antonio, Marco Antonio Barreto

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Ecuadoriano with Torino

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accent Have

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you lived a long time in Torino? Yes, of

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course, I came here when I was six years and

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now I'm 30, so I'm living here 24 years old For

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me it's a dream and I'm so happy that I'm

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an Ecuadorian, we're the first race

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here in Turin and so good

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luck, really really good luck Your

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English is excellent, you insisted that you couldn't

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do an interview in English because it wasn't

3:35

good enough, your English is really good, so

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congratulations So

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a big emotion for you, are there many

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Ecuadorians in Torino? So here

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in Turin we are a little bit,

3:46

not too much Ecuadorian but I'm

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so sure that all the Ecuadorians

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in not only Turin but in

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other cities of Italy they send

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energy to our

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Ecuadorian winner so we

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are so grateful and excellent good

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luck. Brian in

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Barone Buonasera Buon Giro

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d'Oemila venti quatro Welcome

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to the 2024 Giro d'Italia. Buonasera. The

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fucking podcast. Welcome, that was Giro welcoming

4:16

us to the Giro d'Italia. It was

4:19

Giro, it was the nation of Ecuador,

4:22

what lovely vignette that was from the

4:24

start of Venaria Rayale this morning, the

4:26

countdown to the start. Then we heard

4:29

another friend of ours, Renard Schoetzer of

4:31

Sportzer, he was standing next to me

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in the pen at the finish line,

4:36

commentating on the closing meters of

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an absolutely pulsating first stage of

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the Giro d'Italia and then we

4:42

heard from an Ecuadorian in Turin

4:46

who was a very proud man this

4:48

evening for reasons we'll find out about

4:50

in just a moment. Brian

4:52

how are you? The talented Mr.

4:54

Freevie, I'm so well I've been looking

4:56

forward to naming you that. This implies

4:58

that I'm somehow mysterious and possibly a

5:00

con man which I'm not. No, just

5:02

actually you should just take it from

5:05

what it says, that you're a very

5:07

talented man. I know you're not a

5:09

murderer. It feels bad. And

5:11

Brian describe the scene for us and where

5:13

we are. Well Daniel we're sitting on this

5:15

really nice cobbled street just

5:17

on the other side of the Gran

5:20

Madre de Dio, this neoclassical building that's

5:22

just adjacent to the finish line. One

5:24

of my tasks of the day is to find a

5:26

good spot for recording. Yeah well I've been

5:29

going for numerous walks today and one

5:31

of them found me this

5:33

place and it's called Bar Briac which I

5:35

think would be short for the drunken

5:38

bar. And well

5:40

the locals are all enjoying their Apéri

5:42

TV. Brian we're just adjacent to the

5:44

finish line which is on Corso Cazale.

5:46

I ran up Corso Cazale earlier past

5:48

the Fausto Coppi monument we heard about

5:51

I think in our Giro

5:53

preview. Have you ever called someone Cazale? I think

5:57

they joined there. There's a point where

5:59

they joined. And there's this

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big sort of spiral faster

6:03

copy monument with like bits

6:05

of rock from the quadreselle

6:07

and other places where faster

6:09

copy did memorable rides. This

6:11

place sort of drenched in

6:13

history, cycling history, sporting

6:16

history. Italian history. Italian

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history. We're going to talk about Superga later

6:20

again at the end of the episode because

6:22

we know it was an important day for

6:25

Superga and the city of Turin and Torino

6:28

football club. I said it was a

6:30

pulsating first stage. It really was. And

6:33

it reminded me a little bit of the last

6:35

time we were here for the Giro d'Italia when

6:37

we had that sort of circuit racing. What was

6:39

not the most exciting Giro d'Italia, but we had

6:42

a fantastic stage in Torino. It was one of

6:44

those stages in sort of screaming technicolor as well

6:46

today. It looked, it felt like a Giro d'Italia

6:49

stage. Beautiful landscape, beautiful

6:51

shots of Superga. A

6:54

finale that was sort of every

6:56

bit as gripping as a Milan

6:58

San Remo, for example. It

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was written like a classic really, wasn't it? And

7:03

that's the type of racing that we like. And you know, there's

7:06

often the tradition of starting with a prologue or,

7:08

you know, a sprints of stage, but this is

7:10

like head on. This could potentially

7:12

be one of the most memorable stages, at

7:14

least in the first part of

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the Giro, I think. And crucially

7:20

as well with a surprising

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twist. A plot twist. A

7:25

surprising denouement, which we're going to

7:27

hear about. Well, let's hear about

7:29

it now, shall we? And what's

7:31

a new feature doing what

7:33

the sort of old feature at this

7:36

point in the podcast you should do. Well, it's

7:38

a tribute, isn't it, Daniel? It's Proceso

7:44

La Tapa, the first stage in

7:46

position. Brian,

7:48

Proceso La Tapa, we're very unoriginal

7:50

because we have ripped off the

7:52

name. I have ripped off the

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name of a long standing feature

7:56

on Italian television, Italian Giro coverage.

7:59

Proceso La Tapa. for a long time. The

8:01

idea is it's kind of a court case,

8:03

it's kind of an inquest into what happened

8:06

in the Giro d'Italia. This was part of

8:08

Giro coverage in Italy, well it starts in

8:10

1962 and then

8:12

it recommenced in 1998 after

8:14

a bit of a hiatus

8:17

and it is a very beloved feature

8:23

of Ryse coverage of the Giro d'Italia

8:25

isn't it? It is and

8:27

it's something that I've come to like a lot

8:30

especially when I'm not at the race which

8:32

luckily has been a while. I just

8:34

think it's a good tradition and sort of the whenever

8:37

there's polemicah, whenever there's debacle,

8:39

whenever there's issues, whenever there's

8:41

conflict, that's really where you

8:43

want to go and eavesdrop

8:45

on various, I'm not saying I'm

8:47

one at all, but expert sort

8:50

of the lay of the land of the Giro.

8:52

The way it's going to work, Brian, is I'm going to ask

8:55

you questions. It's not going to be a monologue anymore. I'm going

8:57

to ask you questions about the stage and you have to endeavour

8:59

to answer them. To the best of my ability. To the best

9:01

of your ability and I will come down very hard

9:03

on you. I think you're very comfortable

9:05

with that role then if you answer

9:07

them incorrectly. Brian, where did the stage

9:09

start today? Where did it finish? How

9:11

many kilometres was the stage? Well Daniel,

9:13

the first stage of the Giro started

9:15

in Vinaria Real and it finished in

9:17

Torino and it was a short one,

9:19

140 kilometres. Brian,

9:22

was there a break in the stage and if so,

9:24

tell us about that break please. Yes, there was Daniel.

9:26

It was actually a break that turned

9:28

out to be quite significant also

9:31

for the finale because eight riders

9:34

went away and it, sorry

9:36

six riders went away and parts

9:38

of that breakaway sort

9:41

of paved the way into the final part

9:44

and actually had a big influence on

9:46

who eventuated into deciding the stage. Would

9:49

you say that that was the case? The break had

9:52

a significant impact on the final outcome of

9:54

the stage. Would you say that? Is

9:58

this the leading question Daniel? Come

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on. No. Yeah, I

10:03

mean, that was a

10:05

surprising turn of events, I would say, in

10:07

how the race unfolded

10:10

where I was quite surprised that

10:12

the earlier parts of the breakaway

10:14

were still active, you know, quite late in the race.

10:16

And I'm talking about Kalmejan here, unless you want to ask

10:18

another question. Okay, no, I was going to ask you the

10:20

other important questions. Who was in the break, Brian? So

10:23

the six riders then were Louis Barre,

10:25

Alva Kea, Debomache

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of Kofidis, Lilian Kalmejan

10:32

of Wonty. Wonty,

10:35

totally. Emmanuel Gepregecir of

10:37

Trek, Ségafredo, sorry, Lil

10:40

Trek, Andrea Petrobon

10:42

of Polsi, and Filippo Fiorelli

10:45

of Badiani. Brian,

10:48

how long did the break... Well, how

10:50

long did those guys last?

10:53

Well, the last man

10:55

standing was Kalmejan, who

10:58

actually actually got dropped when Emmanuel Gepregecir

11:02

attacked on the Superga and

11:04

took the mountain points. But

11:07

he kind of like hung on to

11:09

just cross on the Col de

11:11

Madeleina and then kept a small gap on the

11:13

descent. And that was basically it. After that, it was a

11:16

counter attack that turned out to be...

11:19

It was probably a significant breakaway that I wanted to

11:22

like, in that initially and that was

11:24

sort of what paved the way into the final of

11:26

the stage. So this counter attack, Brian, where did that

11:28

happen? Who was in it? So

11:30

that was an eight man counter attack. It was

11:33

quite interesting because it turned out that, you know,

11:35

after Bogatia, I knew a

11:37

sort of dictated the tempo. There

11:41

was a bit of a hesitation and then

11:44

there was this counter attack happened with eight

11:46

riders, very strong riders actually. And

11:48

I think that sort of surprised that

11:51

they were able to stay away

11:53

because once the Bogatia attacked

11:57

on the last climb... they

12:00

brished up to that group and it was out of

12:02

that group that we saw the winning move. At

12:05

one point we thought that one of the

12:07

members of that breakaway group, Nicola Conchi, was

12:09

going to... Well, he looked well set to

12:11

win the stage because he had about... Well,

12:14

the screen was showing about a minute and

12:16

there was a shot where it

12:19

was sort of a long lens

12:21

shot and you could see the peloton,

12:23

well, you could barely see the peloton, in fact, at

12:25

the end of the shot and at

12:28

that point I thought Conchi was well

12:30

set. He's never really won a pro race and he's won

12:32

a couple of... Well, he's a very good rider too. He

12:34

had won a couple of amateur races but I thought at

12:36

that point he looked like the favourite. Brian, just

12:38

tell us please about what happened on that Sam

12:41

Vito. The little... I refer to it as a

12:43

pimple in our preview. What do we see there?

12:45

It was almost like positioning going into the foot of

12:48

that climb and the

12:51

minute that... Mike

12:54

had done a lot of work. He was the

12:56

last guy out there for trying to pull and

12:58

set the tempo for Poggaccia and then once they

13:00

basically hit the climb, Poggaccia moves to the front

13:03

and then he did his fiamata, as

13:05

you would say, in Italian. He lit

13:07

up... He came to poke-sinneration. Yeah, he

13:10

started to light up the race. And

13:13

he did it and... So, Jonathan Notavise brought the

13:15

fire extinguisher. So, he went...

13:17

It was like a... He

13:19

did three really significant

13:21

accelerations, Poggaccia. And Nowais was

13:23

able to bridge up,

13:26

just basically stay on his wheel, which was quite

13:28

impressive. Even after he sort of... Both him and

13:30

Schagmann, who ended up there as well, miscalculated

13:33

somewhat one of

13:36

the turns on that tricky descent. But that...

13:38

After the... I think it

13:40

was a Poggaccia generation, even if Nowais especially was able

13:42

to hang on, not for grim death

13:45

but for a good chance of winning the race. Brian,

13:47

tell us about the sprint quickly. So,

13:50

the sprint was a three-man sprint and

13:52

it looked... I mean, that's

13:54

also when you have someone as important as

13:56

Poggaccia, always imagine how can anyone beat him.

13:58

But not even just... Navai, who won the

14:00

stage, but also Shachman. It's just in

14:04

front of Pogacia, and that was the top

14:06

three of the stage. Pogacia let out

14:08

sprint, and he opened it out. I

14:11

don't know how many meters to go, maybe three, 400. I

14:14

think there was only like 400 meters left after the

14:16

send, like the final moment of the send. And Pogacia

14:18

let out the sprint, and it was a close one,

14:20

wasn't it? They were sort of spread across the road,

14:22

but Navai, what's the fastest, man? And Brian, can you

14:24

tell us what the GC looks like, please? The top,

14:27

well, tell us the top five positions, and also

14:30

tell us what we haven't talked about so far,

14:32

is were there any significant time losses on GC,

14:35

particularly maybe concerning

14:37

people who came into this race

14:39

with ambitions on general classification? Well,

14:41

then I would say yes and no. I

14:44

mean, obviously we have to take into consideration

14:46

that this is the first stage, we have

14:48

to take into consideration that there was pontification

14:50

seconds, et cetera. But as

14:52

it stands now, Jonathan

14:55

Navai of Ineos Grenadiers leads

14:57

the race with three seconds ahead

14:59

of Maximilian Schagmann of

15:02

Borhansgrohe, Tade Pogacia at six

15:04

seconds, Alex Budang, first

15:06

rider in the next group, with

15:09

16 seconds, Damiano Caruso in

15:12

fifth, and then Nikola Kontchi. And I'm mentioning

15:14

those guys because they were part of that

15:16

counterattack that basically

15:19

decided the latter parts of

15:21

the stage. Who were the big losers on GC, Brian? Well,

15:26

the big losers, I don't think there's any

15:28

big losers, but the riders who lost time,

15:30

I would say, significantly was, certainly, Ciaran Thomas,

15:33

but not a big loser, he lost 20

15:35

seconds. I would say the biggest loser would

15:37

be Roman Barthej. Yeah,

15:39

he lost one minute and seven seconds. More

15:41

about him a bit later, because I did

15:43

speak to some... Kintana

15:46

as well, but I don't know what

15:48

we were expecting. Domenico Potsuvivo actually was

15:50

unfortunate to crash, made it

15:52

back up again before the second last climb, but

15:54

they all lost time. There was a major

15:56

group coming in at one

15:59

minute and seven seconds. seconds. That

16:01

is the pleb, pade, pozuvivo,

16:04

riders that we were probably

16:06

thinking would potentially still be

16:08

in the top five in

16:10

this race. There was

16:12

another significant loser in general classification that

16:14

was Simon Arendsmann of Inej Scranis. He

16:16

lost three minutes and 27 seconds. Very

16:18

surprisingly. He actually got dropped on the

16:22

Marlena when Michael

16:24

Birk was really putting

16:27

in a huge effort at the front of the

16:29

peloton. Brian, it's an

16:31

easy one today because not too much, well

16:33

obviously it's the first day of the general

16:35

classification so the stage result was pretty much

16:37

the general classification. Point jersey in that race

16:40

leads King of the

16:42

Mountains, Kalmurjan leads the young

16:44

riders qualification. Tadei Pogacic can

16:46

breathe a sigh of relief.

16:48

He doesn't have to... Well,

16:53

a little podium duty for him today. No, no, which

16:55

is unusual in his career that he doesn't have to

16:57

go to the mix zone and do all of that

16:59

because he's not in the young riders white

17:03

jersey. Alex Boudin of Decathlon, Ajit Dezial and

17:05

Mondial and team classification. We don't need to

17:07

pay any attention to that at this point

17:10

but Inej Scranis. Brian, I think

17:12

you've got a question for me. Yeah, I have a

17:14

question for you. Did you talk to anyone interesting today?

17:16

Of course I spoke to a couple of riders at

17:20

the finish line. I spoke to

17:22

Max Schachmann. Schach

17:25

is back. He was second today

17:27

and I also spoke to Geraint

17:29

Thomas and they were both in pretty boisterous

17:31

mood as you're about to hear. Of course

17:35

I'm disappointed at the same time

17:37

but I knew this sprint is

17:39

hard because Pogi, we

17:41

know he can sprint like hell. I

17:43

race with Navas, he's also really fast and

17:46

I hate hot

17:49

sprints. That's why I opened. When

17:52

I got back to slipstream I knew it was having better

17:54

to stay in the wheel. Maybe I

17:56

had a tiny chance but I

17:59

think. good opening stage. It

18:02

was close, I mean we were all

18:04

within a bike length. It

18:08

was nice to race with Pougy in such a race one

18:10

time. Max,

18:13

do you really feel like this result shows

18:15

that you're back at your old

18:17

level? Honestly,

18:21

I'm doing better than in the past, otherwise

18:23

I wouldn't be there. But it

18:27

was a tough race. Pougy came

18:29

like a rocket, I didn't see him coming. But

18:32

also he slowed down in the

18:35

easier part. That was the moment

18:37

I understood he's also a

18:39

block spooker, navas also.

18:43

Thanks God. Thanks my tire. In

18:46

one left turn, I really f***ed it

18:48

up and I just hammered

18:50

into the corner and I

18:52

have to say I was surprised that the tire made it. Otherwise

18:55

I would be home already. A

18:58

good day, obviously a great day for the team and

19:00

it looked like a good day for you as well.

19:05

Personally I felt good, just a bit out

19:07

of position into that climb but

19:09

I saw that Johnny was right there on Pog's wheel. Great

19:12

ride from him and unbelievable for the

19:14

team obviously because it was a

19:16

great way to start. Shout

19:19

out to Johnny, we always knew he was fast.

19:22

To get over there with Pog and Sprint, great

19:24

for the team, great day. How

19:26

much planning had gone into that today

19:28

for him particularly and the whole team

19:30

thinking that he could contend for the

19:32

win today? We were talking about

19:34

that for a while amongst the team. They told

19:36

me before press conference not to mention Johnny because he'd

19:39

go in the radar but I was like well, I

19:41

think people know who he is. But a

19:44

fair play to him, it was always going to be

19:46

a day for him and for the

19:50

rest of us to try and be there in a good position. But

19:55

yeah, it was great. on

20:00

the Madalena. Was

20:02

there anything today that surprised you about the way it

20:04

was racing? I mean, Shaqman said that he was surprised

20:06

you didn't go well. The pace wasn't higher on the

20:08

Madalena. Yeah, there were guys getting dropped. Yeah,

20:11

it was a funny one. I guess it's just

20:13

the first day. It's a bit of heat. Everyone

20:15

reacts differently. And like I said at

20:17

the start, I think it's easy

20:19

to get carried away on day one. Once we

20:21

get into stage 15 onwards, this

20:24

will be insignificant. Once we

20:26

start going up those massive climbs, and as

20:28

we all know, the Giro, so much can change. People

20:31

just drop out quite

20:33

quickly. But yeah,

20:35

his first day is always funny,

20:38

as I say, and it's different for a Grand

20:40

Tour to start so aggressive, you know. And the

20:42

bunch was nervous. It

20:45

was proper sketchy at times. But

20:47

then I was happy we went a

20:49

bit harder up there to settle

20:52

it down a bit. Just finally,

20:54

Garan, Progato talked this week about

20:56

how he feels the rest of you have been

20:58

kind of disrespected, probably by us.

21:00

The media before this race, and we

21:02

were talking as though it's a one-horse race. Have you felt

21:05

disrespected? I'm used to it, mate. You've

21:07

never respected me. No,

21:11

for me, I get why. I

21:13

say the same thing, you know, look at him. He's

21:16

unbelievable. So,

21:20

no, I definitely don't feel disrespected. If it was somebody else, like,

21:22

I don't know. But

21:25

anyone else? Yeah, yeah,

21:27

I bit my tongue. Yeah, then

21:30

it'd be a bit different, but you know,

21:32

this guy's phenomenal. And we all

21:34

know our major talent and ears and how

21:36

strong the favourite he is. And

21:38

we've just got to be trying to

21:40

ride our race, and we know we're totally up against

21:42

it. But as you saw today, his team were strong,

21:45

obviously, but they weren't super

21:48

dominant like they had been in some other races. So,

21:51

it's a long race, a lot can happen, good

21:53

stuff for us. Pogg's

22:01

gonna probably drop a bomb again and

22:03

we'll see who can follow basically. You

22:05

know Johnny's in great form and you

22:08

know I can't remember off the

22:10

top of my head the climb how long it is but I

22:12

think the hardest bit comes at the end and the

22:14

way Johnny's going who knows maybe you can hold

22:17

on. It'd be great if he could

22:20

but we'll see but I think as we saw today

22:22

that group over the top was still a fair

22:25

amount of bike riders there so I

22:27

think it will be hard tomorrow but yeah

22:30

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26:21

the big story, the sort of non-story

26:23

I suppose, the conclusion that

26:30

we all expected, in

26:32

the pink jersey tonight, it

26:35

hasn't happened. The race, the spectacle, is

26:37

all the better I suppose for that

26:39

not happening. I saw

26:41

Mauro Janetti, the UAE team

26:44

Emirates manager at the finish line

26:46

and I sort of went up to him

26:48

looking very kind of poker face, deliberately very

26:51

poker face and I said to

26:53

him, Mauro, is it crisis?

26:55

Is it sort of a

26:57

crisis? It's a real journalist

26:59

question. And he sort of

27:01

laughed. But Pogacio was disappointed

27:03

and we saw him wearing

27:05

a black armband today. Tragically, two or

27:08

three days ago, I think, a member

27:10

of the junior team that he

27:13

supports, the Poggi team, died

27:15

in a kayaking accident and that was why he

27:17

was wearing the black armband today. That was another

27:19

reason why he wanted to win. The team

27:22

definitely committed. I don't

27:25

think anyone would dispute that, would

27:27

they? Can

27:29

I just say something? Could

27:33

there be any kind of concern about the depth

27:36

on that team as

27:38

of today? Well, there has

27:40

been, hasn't there, before this race. And

27:43

look, there were three riders left at the

27:45

end. You know, Pogacio was never gonna have

27:47

four riders in that group. I mean, I

27:51

suppose what they would have talked about on the bus this

27:53

morning would be making sure that he went into that San

27:55

Vito climb in perfect position.

27:57

He was in perfect position. It was

28:00

Michael wasn't it who did a great lead out to

28:02

take him exactly where he needed to be at that

28:04

point in the race Yeah, I think

28:06

that was from a GC

28:08

perspective It looks somewhat solid but from

28:10

a stage perspective, you know when that

28:12

group went that group of eight guys

28:15

They I think they went because there was

28:17

only Michael left pulling for forgot shit between

28:20

the second last and the last climb Which

28:23

was you know from a GC

28:25

perspective relatively insignificant, but as the race

28:28

eventuated had he had another rider there

28:30

and had he Potentially

28:32

had a little bit more help there that could have

28:34

meant the final throw

28:37

in the sprint. I don't know yeah,

28:40

I'm just saying it because there were there were other teams

28:43

that were a bit more represented in that bigger group and

28:46

That the obvious reason is because they worked their

28:48

asses off, you know, I think that it's

28:50

okay You can swear we've already had lots of swearing from Max

28:53

Schachman and Garant Thomas tonight and

28:57

Brian another thing I was I think it

28:59

was quite an entertaining interview the guarantee generally

29:01

does give entertaining interviews and I asked him

29:03

about The this is the

29:06

narrative that has been spun around this Giro d'Italia

29:08

that it is a one horse race and the

29:10

today Pogacho is going to turn this race into

29:12

a cakewalk His reaction was

29:14

quite interesting and it mirrored her well, we're

29:16

gonna hear later from Larry our good friend

29:18

Larry war bath and I asked him Where

29:22

the Ben O'Connor might feel that his teeth

29:24

nose was slightly out of joint But

29:29

Thomas looks strong a

29:33

great day for Ineos We're

29:35

there great day with the parentheses of Jim

29:37

and our instrument. Yes, but I mean they're

29:39

not gonna be Riding

29:41

for three riders. They're gonna ride a three-week

29:44

race and then figure out how

29:46

they can aim for the podium They both they're

29:48

off to a great start and I would say

29:50

if you were to add up the

29:52

pros and cons With Navai's

29:54

winning stage taking the first pink jersey. I

29:57

think that's more than compensation for

29:59

for Aron's men being off

30:02

the boil. Yes,

30:05

Nadavayis, Brian, I have to say, they

30:07

were pretty bullish in the in the

30:09

off-count. I don't think they

30:11

have high hopes of him keeping the jersey tomorrow,

30:14

but the Oropa climb, which we're gonna

30:16

talk about later in the podcast, we'll talk about tomorrow's

30:18

stage, he's not the steepest. He's

30:20

a sort of fast finishing ruler

30:23

who can climb. Extremely impressive

30:25

what he did today. I'm

30:29

sort of tempted to say if the climb had been 500

30:32

meters longer than Poggaccio would have

30:34

dropped him, they never really let

30:37

the wheel go, did they? No, no,

30:39

and he knew exactly what he had to

30:41

do. And he's, other than being

30:44

a rather sort of complete, almost like

30:46

classic type rider, good

30:49

on shorter climbs, good descender.

30:52

He's also a great sort

30:54

of finisher. Like he's really so race-smart, he

30:56

knows how to position himself. And

30:58

he made absolutely the most of what he possibly

31:01

could do today, that was super impressive. It

31:03

was also good. And what a guy to beat, you know what I mean? Like

31:06

everyone's been, and everyone's only been talking about

31:08

Poggaccio, and here comes the second

31:10

big Ecuadorian in pro cycling. Yeah,

31:13

and the second Ecuadorian to really sort

31:15

of show his best self of the Giro d'Italia, because

31:17

of course this is a race that's been won by

31:20

an Ecuadorian, Richard Carapaz a couple of years ago. Brian,

31:22

it was really nice to see Max Schachman up there

31:24

as well, because he's had a horrible two

31:26

or three years. We heard earlier in the

31:28

year from Rolf Aldoich, his team manager, about

31:30

the, just sort of

31:32

repeated bouts of illness that he's

31:34

had of various, varying

31:36

types. Sounds like

31:39

me after I started having kids. Yeah,

31:41

yeah. And every time he's looked as

31:43

though he's gonna be coming back to

31:45

the sort of form that won him

31:47

parodies on two

31:49

occasions, he's encountered new

31:52

problems, and I've lost few weeks. He's been an

31:54

anti-hero, hasn't he? Yeah, but I've lost

31:56

few weeks, and he has just sort

31:58

of been edging back to. his

32:00

best form and he's a guy you

32:02

know I remember the first Paraneet that

32:04

he won it was the first stage

32:07

a horrible day rainy day and it was

32:09

a sort of finale a bit like the

32:11

Sam Vito climb today a sort

32:13

of one kilometer steep climb and he went

32:15

away with Julien Alafilipe and beat Alafilipe at

32:17

the finish line and as we heard that

32:20

Shachman is quite an engaging character he's quite

32:22

an exuberant character and I remember thinking after

32:25

that race that this was a guy who

32:27

was gonna be he was gonna

32:29

be one of the main figures of the next few years

32:31

not possibly not

32:33

winning major tours but certainly one week tours

32:36

and he was gonna be a personality and

32:38

a ride that we were gonna enjoy sort

32:40

of covering over a few years and it's

32:42

just not panned out that way so it

32:44

was really good to see him and the

32:46

general his team today I think they were

32:49

really smart they they weren't intimidated

32:51

by Pukaji I don't think anyone who's

32:53

riding as well as the

32:56

guys who are up at the front interesting part of

32:58

the race today weren't intimidated by and they race it

33:00

as any other bike racing he's just the main competitor.

33:04

Brian we mentioned the riders who lost time

33:06

today and I was listening to our good

33:08

friend and colleague Rob Hatch and his commentary

33:10

on Eurosport and he was talking about the

33:13

sort of shock at how many riders were

33:15

how many big fishes were getting caught up

33:17

I must say I wasn't that surprised I

33:19

looked at the profile today and I

33:22

didn't I couldn't have said who exactly they

33:24

were going to be but I always thought

33:26

a couple of general classification riders would suffer

33:28

today and also because of the nature of

33:31

the climbs they were relatively

33:33

short but pretty steep a

33:35

short stage starting

33:37

at 10 to 2 in the

33:39

afternoon everyone kind of coming in

33:41

cold it was going

33:43

to be race-aggressive there's gonna be a lot of

33:45

stress in the peloton and I was quite surprised

33:48

when Schachmann said that they didn't go that fast

33:50

on the mandolin I think there's more

33:52

than one opinion about that yeah but

33:54

I did speak to

33:56

Matt Winston briefly DSM post

34:00

NL, Roman Bardet's direct sportive and

34:03

asked him about what happened to

34:05

Gomain today and he said that,

34:07

well he just had a bad

34:09

five minutes, it wasn't

34:11

even a bad day because that he rallied

34:14

pretty well, he only lost way, lost less

34:16

than a minute so they weren't too concerned.

34:19

I think he could still be on the podium, I don't

34:21

think there's any indication of today that would give him a

34:23

conclusion. I think they were just glad to get today out

34:26

of the way and particularly two have limited their losses. Aaron's

34:30

performance was more worrying, he lost two

34:32

minutes, 27 seconds. Bardet

34:34

was apparently complaining of stomach

34:36

problems in

34:39

the stage but yeah

34:42

what a terrific stage that RCS laid

34:44

on for us today and the addition

34:46

of that San Vito, because that San

34:48

Vito climb was a late addition that

34:50

wasn't on the original route and when

34:52

they did add that I think it

34:54

was it predated Wout Van Arts crash

34:56

in Duas or Blondern and people thought

34:58

well this is another sort of incentive

35:00

for Van Arts to go for the

35:02

pink jersey on day one and then they

35:05

started to think that actually it would

35:07

be perfect for Pogacar, it was perfect for

35:09

Pogacar, it's just that he found two

35:11

riders in his part who were on great

35:13

days and rode brilliantly in Marvayis and Shafman.

35:18

Brian, Gomain Bardet, you

35:21

know who used to ride with Gomain Bardet? You know he

35:23

used to be his teammate. Well

35:26

there were probably quite a few riders that used to be

35:28

his teammate. Very good

35:30

friend of the cycling podcast,

35:32

very familiar voice. Oh I

35:34

was thinking like Motown Maestro.

35:36

Yeah very familiar voice for

35:38

listeners of the cycling podcast

35:41

and the Motown Maestro, Brian

35:43

my internet is conked out, I can't tell you

35:45

where Larry came in today. I

35:47

did, I shouted across the

35:49

road at Larry when he did come over

35:52

the line and he seemed fine but

35:54

he didn't come in with the leaders but he seems to have had

35:56

a decent day. Anyway...

36:00

As we did last year we're going to

36:02

be checking in most days or a lot

36:04

of days with Larry and I did check

36:07

in with him this morning at the Vennaria

36:09

Reale and that brings us

36:11

to our first instalment of La

36:13

Ranzando, a postcard from Italy with

36:15

Larry Warbas La

36:23

Ranzando, a postcard from

36:25

Italy with Larry Warbas Poor

36:29

Larry, it's been asked to photos by people who don't know who

36:31

he is You're good, you've had

36:33

fun with everyone Oh, Larry,

36:36

how are you? Yeah, good, good, feeling good Sun's

36:39

out, it's beautiful You're looking splendid,

36:41

you're looking fresh, you're looking with

36:43

bright eyes, clear eyes,

36:45

cool heart, can't lose, Larry Yeah, yeah, I think

36:47

it's going to be good It's going

36:50

to be a hard day, you know, a little bit nervous actually That's

36:53

a good thing Yeah,

36:55

we'll see how it goes It's like,

36:58

yeah, it's kind of a, it's going to be

37:00

a hard first grand tour

37:02

stage So a little bit different than what we're used

37:04

to, a lot of times it's a TT or a

37:06

sprint or something So yeah, not

37:08

going to be easy, but it'll be a good day I think

37:11

Larry, this postcard comes out this evening, so

37:13

you can tell us verbatim, verbatim, what your

37:16

director said in the meeting this morning about

37:18

the stage Yeah,

37:20

I mean, we actually don't, I'm

37:22

assuming, we're assuming that you're at

37:24

yield control There

37:27

might be a fight for the breakaway, but you

37:29

know, I don't think, the breakaway, for me

37:31

a zero chance of going to the line And

37:34

then, yeah, for us it's just trying to

37:36

get Ben and our alien into

37:39

the best position possible for the last time

37:41

we hit that small climb So you know,

37:43

if we can take it on the front,

37:45

that's the objective So yeah,

37:47

for me, like, if I can hopefully

37:49

make it over the long climb, the

37:52

Cat 2 climb near the finish And

37:55

yeah, just try to take them first wheel into the

37:57

bottom if we can, that's our objective And

38:00

then you know it's just the legs from there So we'll

38:03

do our best to take that climb as far

38:05

forward as we can and then yeah what happens

38:08

happens though I think that

38:10

positioning is really really important at the bottom of that

38:12

last time It's like less than five

38:14

K to go so it's going to be a

38:16

full full full gas fight going into the bottom

38:19

Larry just on your way to see me now.

38:22

You just passed today. You often pass him of

38:24

course famously He told

38:26

his press comments this week about it which is

38:28

bullshit that and of his rivals

38:30

have been Disrespected that people were talking about

38:32

this is that the one horse Right,

38:35

they like to bend Not

38:38

at all, you know, I mean, I think

38:40

they're just realistic, you know, it's like I mean,

38:43

it's nice that Tada is a classy guy and

38:45

you know, he yeah, he doesn't

38:47

just assume it's already finished, you know, which

38:49

is that's cool And I mean, I guess

38:51

you shouldn't because yeah, then then that's how

38:53

you make errors So, you

38:56

know, I don't think anyone feels

38:58

disrespected by that, you know I think everyone

39:00

respects daddy and knows how incredible

39:02

of a rider he is and yeah Yeah

39:05

once in a generation and potentially once. Yeah

39:07

in history. We'll see. I don't know

39:10

so No, I mean

39:12

I think You know,

39:14

it is what it is. So yeah Larry

39:18

I can see you're a little bit nervous actually But

39:21

no, but good on the human race nerves you

39:23

um, can you recognize that there's a good thing?

39:26

Yeah, it's a good thing I rarely get race

39:28

nerves. So that's good I usually get race nerves

39:30

if like I can do well and

39:32

it's a big big big race So yeah

39:34

nervous because you know you're flying I

39:37

think I'm in good shape, but I guess we'll see

39:39

after today So no, I mean, I think I'll be

39:41

good for this year up whether those legs appear today

39:44

or later on Well

39:46

that that remains to be seen but I think it's

39:48

gonna be a good race Well, I'll release

39:50

you Larry and remember we're in Piedmont the home region

39:52

of your international fan club. So that's a good there

40:00

is A4 paper still oh actually it's a really

40:02

nice sign I think you got it professionally printed

40:04

so it's pretty cool more money in cycling than

40:07

there was a year ago and Larry, one

40:09

final time clear eyes well

40:13

I didn't remember who he is full heart, can't lose big

40:15

go, Friday night is the lightest fan on you? I

40:18

actually haven't really watched it I'm getting you mixed

40:20

up with me I'm getting you mixed up anyway

40:22

I'll be going, I mean that's okay and they're worth

40:24

it with the crew, Croust and Alo and Fred clear

40:27

eyes, full heart, let's keep this big go

40:30

sorry, a little behind you sounds great,

40:32

thanks guys let's

40:56

talk about that last one Brian,

41:26

we heard before the break there from

41:53

Larry who, well he

41:56

was nervous I could tell Larry was nervous this morning and as I

41:58

said to him there it was good to see you seem

42:00

nervous because it's good to get the sense

42:02

that when riders come to races

42:04

like this because they

42:07

do so many races in a year and

42:10

as we gathered speaking to Larry earlier in

42:12

the week for our kilometer zero live the

42:16

Grand Tour just hit different and they feel different and

42:18

they taste different and particularly

42:20

for a guy like Larry and this

42:22

is a huge occasion for him and

42:26

the setting this morning in Vignalie Arieale

42:28

was obviously very grand and the crowds

42:30

were fantastic the crowds were great as well on

42:32

the stage in general and yeah

42:34

it was just nice to see not only

42:36

Larry but other riders as well give

42:39

off the air that they were about to

42:41

embark on something very important in their lives

42:43

and in their careers. Is

42:46

that how you felt as well Daniel? Well it's

42:48

always how I feel Brian. Great. It's always how

42:50

I feel. Brian

42:54

another regular feature that we're bringing back this

42:56

year. It's just an interview really but we're

42:58

giving it a fancy name. The start

43:00

this morning Vignalie Arieale a lot of

43:02

team managers a lot of familiar faces.

43:05

The team managers tend to jet in

43:07

for the start of Grand Tours. One

43:09

team manager who's been very much in the

43:11

news over the last

43:14

week has been Ralph Denk

43:16

of Borahanskor. Shachman

43:19

had a very good day

43:22

Borahanskor had a pretty good day but

43:25

they have been in the news because finally we've

43:27

been hearing about this for a few months now

43:30

that the Red Bull partnership has

43:33

been confirmed and the timetable has

43:35

been established that Red Bull is

43:37

going to become a naming sponsor

43:39

title sponsor in time for the

43:42

Tour de France. We still haven't

43:44

seen the kit although it's

43:46

been sort of leaked on social media and

43:48

I believe the kit that has been leaked

43:50

is pretty close to the real thing. I

43:52

have it on good authority. Anyway

43:57

that's a lot of waffles to say that Now

44:00

we are going to have our next

44:02

feature which is the Chinwag of the

44:04

day, the Kakarata Del Giorno and it

44:06

is with Ralph Denk. I spoke to

44:08

him this morning in Venaria Reale about

44:10

Red Bull but also about something else

44:12

that's been in the news. Emmanuel

44:15

Buchmann being snubbed and

44:18

not being selected for the Giselskalia. Oley

44:20

Mika. The Chinwag of the day. You've

44:24

rushed in here to the bus parking but a busy morning and it's

44:26

been a busy couple of weeks because finally you've been able

44:28

to announce this news to everyone when Red Bull

44:41

is coming on board and a bit

44:43

more about what they're going to be

44:45

doing with the team. Can we go

44:47

back to the start Ralph and tell

44:50

the listeners, when was the seed of

44:52

this planted? Yeah,

44:55

a long time ago, three

44:58

and a half years I sent a handwritten

45:00

letter to Mr. Mataszczyk. Can

45:07

we do something together? I asked him

45:09

so Red Bull

45:11

is not really a big present

45:13

in road cycling but it's really three and a

45:15

half, four years ago and

45:17

then I got immediately an answer and

45:20

then we had a meeting,

45:22

not with him but with

45:24

the marketing team of

45:26

Red Bull and we

45:29

discussed really, really small things at that

45:31

time, three, four years ago. Small

45:34

things was a transformation

45:36

from Antlal Paltzer. I had a

45:38

regress from him on

45:41

my table to

45:43

his dream to become a pro

45:45

cyclist. That happened through Instagram, didn't

45:48

it? Yeah, he takes me

45:50

on Instagram. It's the

45:52

ski mountaineer who was the first rider

45:54

to ride for your team with any

45:57

Red Bull logo

45:59

or anything. imagery. This was the first

46:01

project what we did together with

46:03

Red Bull. Another project very successful

46:05

come some years later was the

46:12

the Red Bull Junior Brothers. This

46:14

is a globally scouting project for

46:16

15 and 16 years old and

46:23

kids that can

46:25

apply via Swift

46:27

to get a spot in our R19 team.

46:30

This was the second project. Then

46:32

the project is we can use

46:34

the APC, the Headlet Performance Center.

46:37

Step by step we

46:40

move forward and at

46:43

the same time cycling changed a

46:45

lot. It was

46:47

really a huge influence

46:51

from their Arabic countries to invest,

46:54

from external investors in our sport.

46:57

Look to UAE, look to

46:59

Tim Barran, look to team

47:02

Jake Wauler, a sponsor

47:04

from Saudi. And the

47:07

budgets are growing and growing and growing

47:09

and growing. I'm the founder and the

47:13

CEO of the

47:16

team Borohanskrohe and I have to find a way

47:20

how we deal with this new

47:23

money what comes in and

47:25

the significant increase of all

47:28

the team budgets. I was

47:30

also sitting last

47:35

on the last tour de France with

47:38

some some shikes and

47:41

the plan to invest in pro

47:44

cycling and was not really well

47:47

feeling for me at that time. And at

47:49

that time I asked Red Bull as well,

47:51

hey can we

47:53

can we discuss something bigger?

47:56

Can we can we have

47:58

yeah set

48:01

up a plan and they say yes. Straight

48:04

away, would it be difficult to persuade them at that

48:06

point? I invite them to the Tour de Frost and

48:08

at the Tour de Frost they saw, I

48:11

think in the first time, how big

48:13

is our sport, how much their

48:15

potential and how much are the

48:17

heritage in this sport. And

48:23

they saw as well

48:25

the potential of increase

48:28

of the whole business model, in

48:31

my opinion, because our business

48:33

model is very old school and

48:38

we are a very traditional sport and

48:41

maybe we can change this together with

48:44

Red Bull as well in another direction

48:46

to make the cake in general bigger.

48:49

And this was also a

48:52

small impact to bring

48:54

Red Bull on board and from

48:56

the last Tour de Frost

48:59

when they visited us,

49:02

the project speeded up

49:05

and in

49:07

January we make the regress in the government

49:12

authorization and we

49:14

get green light and from the end

49:17

of January until now we work really

49:19

hard on the papers and the details

49:21

and the structure and

49:23

now here we are. Can

49:26

you give me an example or have

49:28

they already made a concrete difference, have

49:30

they already had a tangible impact or

49:32

is that still to come? I

49:35

will say in the moment it

49:37

is for all departments more work

49:40

because we have to build up

49:42

the general structure and

49:46

yeah but we will see the

49:49

impact soon I think. The

49:53

budget is not more so tight, we can

49:55

do as a small example more days in

49:58

altitude, we have

50:00

in the main races a

50:02

bit more stuff. Yeah

50:05

so step by step but

50:08

so far the big impact is not

50:10

really big. You see one

50:12

impact of Red Bull you got all the agents

50:14

waiting waiting to speak to you Ralph you got

50:17

a big queue of agents Ken Thomas here and

50:20

the line of agents is getting longer and

50:22

longer. The

50:26

agents are very welcome to

50:28

bring us the next super

50:30

talent. Very last thing Ralph

50:33

you're team's been in the news a bit this

50:35

week there's been a lot of talk on social

50:37

media about Emil Buchman who wasn't picked for the

50:39

Giro. What would you like to say would you

50:42

like to communicate about that and his Instagram

50:45

post and expressing his disappointment?

50:48

It was also for me disappointed

50:50

because Emil become pro in my

50:52

team was

50:54

always well supported in the best way what

50:58

we can do for him in the past

51:00

and yeah for sure I understand

51:02

him as well was disappointed not to

51:05

be lined up in the Giro but

51:07

I have to mention as well now

51:09

we promise him never a co-leader ship

51:12

or co-leader role and

51:14

when Leonard or

51:17

when was clear Leonard will not

51:21

raise the Giro due his

51:23

injury then yeah

51:25

of course we have to re-estructure

51:27

the team and we

51:29

had not a spot for Emil

51:31

but to be honest if we

51:34

look back to all the season

51:36

results so

51:38

far yeah Emil

51:40

was not really coming

51:42

up with big arguments and

51:44

there's also if he

51:47

can defend season victory so far yes

51:49

for sure but yeah in

51:51

modern cycling is not just a focus

51:53

on one one

51:55

highlight per year so you have to be

51:57

in shape from January him or less until

52:01

October and if you look

52:04

to the top star riders and

52:06

okay here yeah we have

52:09

a lot of top star riders

52:11

and their proof already the shape

52:14

during the spring and

52:16

yeah now yeah but in general

52:18

yeah was his decision to bring

52:20

this all up in the media

52:24

yeah in

52:26

person I have nothing against emu

52:28

but this move was also for

52:30

me as a long time

52:33

supporter hard disappointing Ralph

52:35

thank you very much for your time I'm gonna leave

52:37

you now to the agents okay thank you Brian could

52:41

hear this sort of disappointment the

52:43

real genuine disappointment there in Ralph

52:46

Denk's voice about emu bookman and

52:49

I spoke to a few other

52:51

people in and around the team

52:53

this morning and they're quite mystified

52:55

by bookman or publicly expressing his

52:57

distaste for Borahanska not picking

52:59

him they sort of suggested to

53:01

me that was never on the

53:04

cards that he was gonna be co-leader at

53:07

the Giro and then of course Leonard Kemner had

53:09

his crash in Tenerife and everything

53:11

well all the plans had to be ripped

53:13

up whether at that point bookman

53:16

assumed that because Kemner wasn't going to

53:18

be right in the Giro d'Italia then

53:21

he would be the sort

53:23

of substitute leader I don't know

53:25

however as we

53:27

heard there Ralph Denk pointing out bookman's

53:29

results haven't been great he's

53:31

riding well at the moment he read well the other

53:34

day in Frankfurt as you

53:36

say polemica can I just

53:38

say Daniel that I've seen this happen numerous times

53:40

and I've seen

53:42

it happen numerous times well on really big teams

53:45

there's a lot going on at

53:47

the whatever wherever Ralph Denk's office is

53:49

you know that's the it's a

53:52

Red Bull deal they're trying to figure

53:54

out a performance plan I'm sure they have already for

53:56

Roglic fitting in

53:58

they would they just announced the new

54:00

contract for Hindley, they're getting the team ready. Sometimes

54:02

I think that from an outsider's

54:05

perspective people will be surprised how

54:07

little communication there can be on

54:09

quite significant elements inside of a

54:11

team. This is something I'm hearing

54:13

more and more in as

54:15

teams get bigger and they become quite bloated

54:18

and they don't you know they no longer

54:20

have one doctor or one physio they have

54:22

three physios and five doctors

54:25

and sometimes it's very difficult to connect all those

54:27

dots and to get everyone talking to each other

54:31

Ryan, Ryan is

54:33

not being picked. Another one who was in

54:35

the news has been

54:37

in this last few days,

54:39

Walpaul's, Bahrain, Victoria's, there's

54:41

been a lot less

54:46

sort of way he's known I think about

54:48

the reasons why he wasn't picked for the

54:50

Giro d'Italia. A lot of people sort of

54:53

guessing and led to believe there was some

54:55

there was a race earlier this year where

54:57

there was maybe a bit of a disagreement

54:59

between him and direct sportees about tactics and

55:02

that might explain

55:05

that might

55:08

be one reason why he wasn't picked for

55:10

the Giro d'Italia because he really wanted to

55:12

be here he really wanted to be here

55:14

because he's lacking the Giro d'Italia in his

55:17

otherwise complete collection of Grand Tour stage wins.

55:21

Sometimes I think stuff like that doesn't really make

55:23

a lot of sense you know

55:25

it's just that they're I

55:27

mean they're professional athletes aren't a bunch of teenagers

55:29

you know and there will always be disagreement in

55:31

the race because the rider is in the race

55:34

the sports directors in the team car usually

55:36

at least on the most teams I've

55:38

worked with they'll do a debrief in

55:41

the bus afterwards and whatever

55:43

kind of disagreement will

55:45

need to be ironed out there and then once

55:47

you get off the bus and you're at the

55:49

hotel it's over so I often find that in

55:51

those situations even if the riders in the wrong

55:53

it's a management problem not a rider problem. Brian

55:57

last night we had a brief discussion

55:59

because because I won't identify them, but

56:01

we were dining in a restaurant and a

56:03

couple of agents that

56:05

we were acquainted with were also dining in that restaurant.

56:09

We were also dining in that restaurant and

56:11

we did talk to a couple of them

56:14

and one of the subjects

56:16

of conversation was how contracts

56:18

are being signed earlier and

56:21

earlier. In fact, we

56:23

used to say and we used to think

56:25

that the rest days of the Tour de

56:27

France are absolutely key as far as signing

56:30

new contracts were concerned. And

56:32

then there was a period, maybe five, ten

56:34

years ago when people used to talk about

56:36

the geros being absolutely vital and now based

56:39

on what we heard last night and based on what we've seen

56:41

as well, April is a

56:43

key month and there does

56:45

seem to be, well in certain teams, there

56:48

is this kind of culture of punishing riders who

56:51

are possibly not going to remain with the team

56:53

the following year. And if that's happening in April,

56:55

then it means you've got a rider who's doing

56:57

nothing for nine months or

56:59

so. Yes and no. I mean, as

57:02

per the standard contract with the UCI, a rider actually

57:04

can demand to be in races and they can't just

57:06

bench them as you can in

57:08

football. But

57:11

once again, this is another thing that always amazed

57:13

me that let's say that you have a rider

57:15

who's on a one-year contract, those do still exist.

57:17

You basically sign them and then they can't ride

57:19

the big races because you don't know

57:21

where they're going the year after. I've always been of

57:23

the opinion that if

57:26

you own a team, if you manage a

57:28

team, if you make key decisions about who's

57:30

racing where, you are always obliged looking

57:32

at all the nuts and balls

57:34

of what makes a season to

57:37

bring the strongest possible team to

57:39

the big races. How

57:41

can it be? If you aren't doing that, I don't think

57:43

you're worth your money. Brian,

57:46

I mentioned briefly our dinner last night. Let's

57:48

talk a little bit more about that now,

57:51

shall we? And also about tomorrow's stage. Last

58:05

night's dinner and we actually did a bit of

58:07

an impromptu podcast last night. It was on our,

58:09

I put it on Substack. I didn't load it

58:12

onto the cycling podcast Substack. I think it's been

58:14

loaded, I think Lionel's loaded it onto there now.

58:16

So you should be able to listen to that

58:18

sort of shambolic eight minute, not a monologue. It

58:21

was like a mic test. Yeah, it was basically

58:23

a long mic test, a long and probably tedious

58:25

mic test in a place called Scannabuhe, which is

58:27

like the slow to

58:29

the cow we called it. We

58:32

actually tried to get a table there again tonight. That's

58:34

how good it was. The food was terrific. I

58:36

had the highlight of my meal. Brian was definitely

58:38

risotto. It was a

58:40

pea risotto and with a

58:42

Robiola cheese. Robiola,

58:44

where's Robiola from? From

58:47

Piedmont. Yeah, it's from Piedmont

58:49

D. Yeah, we do corrections on that. I'm

58:51

pretty certain that it's a Piedmont cheese. I

58:53

think it's either Piedmont or it's definitely the

58:55

north. This is Robiola though, isn't it? No,

58:57

Robiola. Yeah, definitely Robiola.

59:00

And we had some Nebiola as well. We

59:02

had some lovely Piedmont cheese. Wine,

59:05

Brian, what did you have? You have

59:07

the teletonata, which is the classic. Well,

59:09

I'm taking a page

59:11

out of your book because you're very sort of

59:13

kilometer zero-ish with what we're drinking, what we're

59:15

eating, what we're looking at when we're at the Giro, which

59:18

I think is great. So I

59:20

also had a local

59:22

pasta, I would say. Probably a very thin pasta.

59:28

Yeah, like a flatter type of, like

59:30

a narrow type of fettuccine round.

59:34

And it was with salsicca and leeks

59:37

and it was great. It was

59:39

really nice, not too heavy. I

59:41

would have sworn like a couple of weeks ago that I would

59:44

go full vegetarian. It's hard now, so

59:46

I'll have to like... You're at an incident. You

59:48

had an incident a couple of weeks ago which

59:50

affected your form of fitness for this Giro d'Italia,

59:52

but you're covering... I actually kind of almost died,

59:54

but thank you. It affected

59:56

his form of fitness. Brian, tomorrow's

59:58

stage please. Where are we going? Well

1:00:03

Daniel, we are actually

1:00:05

starting in San Francesco El

1:00:07

Campo, not far from Turin.

1:00:09

It's in zero terms a relatively

1:00:11

short stage, 161 kilometers, and the arrival is of

1:00:14

mythical proportions

1:00:19

because we're going to the Santo Alio

1:00:21

di Europa, which I've

1:00:23

read an article today where

1:00:25

Paolo Petini, he's commentating on

1:00:27

each stage in the

1:00:30

Saturday supplement of like I said the little sport, it says

1:00:32

like it's spelled

1:00:34

Europa but you pronounce

1:00:36

it Pantani. Brian tell

1:00:38

us about that last, a very famous last climb to

1:00:40

the Santo Alio di Europa. Yeah,

1:00:42

so the climb sort of really

1:00:44

starts in Biela. It's a

1:00:46

very... Home of, oh,

1:00:49

a home of Fila Sportswear. I was

1:00:51

about to say Menabrera. Menabrea Biela. Were

1:00:54

you with me a couple of years ago? They've got a Pizzeria at

1:00:56

the bottom of them. I'm not sure if you get Menabrera, I think

1:00:58

you do get it outside of Italy. In fact you do get it

1:01:00

outside of Italy. Oh yeah. It's one

1:01:02

of them. You just pay three times as much.

1:01:05

Yeah, it's a nice beer. And

1:01:07

the breweries... Like a posh pilsner. Yeah, the

1:01:10

breweries at the bottom but they also have a nice Pizzeria at

1:01:12

the bottom of the... right at the bottom of the Europa climb.

1:01:15

So on the climbing question,

1:01:17

the Europa climb, it's officially

1:01:20

11.8 kilometers long. It's

1:01:23

a altitude gain of 773 meters. The

1:01:27

average, but this is quite deceiving, the average is

1:01:29

6.2 percent. But

1:01:32

it sort of like starts fairly easy

1:01:35

and then there's a... Harder, doesn't it? Yeah,

1:01:37

it gets quite hard. There's a couple of

1:01:39

kilometers, almost

1:01:41

two kilometers west at almost 9, 9.5

1:01:43

percent. There's

1:01:46

a really steep bit at the end at 14 percent. And

1:01:49

the last of the real, the significant part of the

1:01:51

climb is like 5 kilometers which I

1:01:53

think will average almost 8 percent. Yeah.

1:01:58

It's a... it's a climber's climb. but

1:02:00

it's also a bit of a time

1:02:02

trial time, very much climb. In fact,

1:02:04

the last time we went up there,

1:02:06

Tom Dumoulin was the winner. That was

1:02:08

on that stage, there was only one

1:02:11

significant climb. Tomorrow there are a couple

1:02:13

of prelause, antipasti.

1:02:15

One of them, Brian's got an

1:02:17

intriguing name and it's an intriguing

1:02:20

destination, it's an intriguing location. It's

1:02:22

called the Oazi Zenya, the Zenya

1:02:24

Oasis. Now, this intrigued

1:02:26

me. I did a bit of a research, you

1:02:28

have as well, and I wondered

1:02:30

whether it had something to do with the tailor, the

1:02:35

men's, men's and women's wear.

1:02:37

Hermann Gildosenya. Hermann Gildosenya, who

1:02:40

has created, what

1:02:43

was it, well, he's dead now, isn't he? Well,

1:02:46

it's a nature reserve, and a big one

1:02:48

of that is 100 square kilometers, and it's

1:02:50

open to the public, no entrance fee, and

1:02:53

it's really a park. So

1:02:56

you almost call it a natural park,

1:02:58

it's privately owned but open to

1:03:01

the public, and it was actually created all

1:03:04

the way back in 1910, and

1:03:06

it has around 500,000 different

1:03:09

plantations. A

1:03:13

real, so it actually isn't an oasis in

1:03:16

the sense of the flora and the fauna. You

1:03:20

know what, I have to be honest, I've never heard of it, but

1:03:23

looking at photos in preparation for this,

1:03:25

it looks absolutely beautiful. And

1:03:27

it's actually, it is the first, the

1:03:30

categorized climb of the day, it's category three climb, and

1:03:33

then there's three categorized climb, and the second one

1:03:36

is category three as well, and

1:03:38

then there's the, or all

1:03:40

by category one climb. This seems to

1:03:42

be a bit of a thing among

1:03:44

Italian fashion magnates. I based that on

1:03:47

two examples, one the Oasisenya, and

1:03:49

Renato Rosso, who is the founder,

1:03:52

creator, owner of the Diesel brand,

1:03:54

he has his own estate in

1:03:56

the Marostica in the Veneto. He'll

1:03:58

probably be hiding. there because there's a

1:04:00

headline today in the newspaper where

1:04:03

an ex-wife I believe was over in one

1:04:05

of them and one of the major Italian

1:04:08

newspapers were she was throwing

1:04:10

all kinds of allegations at him.

1:04:12

Well he has this estate just

1:04:14

outside Marostica which has become a

1:04:16

feature in people potatos races.

1:04:19

So it's been something with like snow

1:04:22

washed jeans with holes across the

1:04:24

kneecap it's really like a professional bike rider

1:04:27

kind of like it. I can't remember what

1:04:29

you say because I worked for that organization

1:04:31

last year. But I thought you must confirm

1:04:33

that I'm actually right. Yeah but

1:04:35

then I thought also has this estate, Herrmann,

1:04:37

Nij and

1:04:44

Bight races. Brian, one

1:04:46

thing we talked to quite a bit about

1:04:49

Oropa in our preview and we talked about

1:04:51

this now legendary stage in 1999 where

1:04:54

Marco Pantani's chain dropped at pretty

1:04:57

much the base of the climb and

1:04:59

then he caught and overtook I think it

1:05:01

was 49 riders I looked this up and

1:05:05

I said how it kind of made me queasy. One

1:05:08

thing that struck me Brian, relistening to

1:05:10

our 1998 sort

1:05:12

of nostalgia fest about the 1998

1:05:15

and Giro d'Italia and the Pantani

1:05:17

double that year. I didn't

1:05:20

make this point in that podcast but

1:05:23

the nostalgia for that era, it

1:05:26

has an extra sort of well

1:05:28

an extra kind of potency to it because usually

1:05:31

when you think about the past you're thinking about

1:05:33

a time when things weren't as advanced weren't

1:05:35

as good, weren't as fast. However

1:05:38

when you think back to that age we

1:05:40

know unfortunately that that age, that era was

1:05:42

kind of supercharged in professional cycling and they

1:05:44

kind of were using technologies which we like

1:05:47

to think are no longer used so in

1:05:49

a certain sense. Being a bit cagey we're

1:05:51

just a mental you know what I mean

1:05:53

you know what I mean so professor talking

1:05:56

it's a kind of case of back to the future and.

1:06:00

Consequently, when you watch

1:06:02

those images, you're not sort of thinking,

1:06:04

oh, this kind of version of cycling

1:06:07

is not very good. You're actually thinking,

1:06:09

it's better than, well, it's almost faster

1:06:11

than today's cycling, particularly when they go

1:06:14

uphill, which it's for

1:06:16

the wrong reasons, obviously, and it's for

1:06:18

morally reprehensible reasons. But when you say

1:06:20

almost, I would almost ask you to

1:06:23

qualify that because I actually believe we live in

1:06:25

an era now where the racing

1:06:27

is more entertaining, where there's more

1:06:30

larger than life. But you know what I

1:06:32

mean? It's almost as though they were, you

1:06:34

know, instead of thinking

1:06:36

about doping and talking about doping, imagine

1:06:38

that back then they were using bikes

1:06:40

which are better than the bikes they're

1:06:43

allowed to use now. It's almost... You

1:06:45

think so? No, even,

1:06:47

I mean, hypothetically. Got it. So,

1:06:50

again, that sense of, okay, when

1:06:53

you look back on the

1:06:55

past, you kind of think of it as,

1:06:57

yeah, it's romantic, it's cool, it evokes sort

1:06:59

of feelings, but it's kind of

1:07:01

stale by comparison to the present day. And you

1:07:03

don't really get that to the same extent. When

1:07:05

you look at 1919, you look at Pantan, you

1:07:08

kind of think, wow. Well, we all know how

1:07:10

that 1999 Giro ended. Yeah.

1:07:14

So it was a short-lived heyday

1:07:16

of our nostalgia, I would say.

1:07:18

And Brian, we're gonna conclude. We're

1:07:21

gonna conclude, well, prediction for tomorrow.

1:07:23

We think that the Volkswagen will probably take

1:07:25

place tomorrow. I think he'll probably take the

1:07:27

pink jersey. But it'll be interesting

1:07:30

to see how long an Arvayes is able to

1:07:32

hang on, and whether, I think some of the

1:07:34

time, I think Filippo Gannon might do well tomorrow.

1:07:36

I think Garand Thomas, based on how we rode

1:07:38

today, will do well tomorrow on that final climb.

1:07:41

He'll be really relieved about the way the Giro started

1:07:43

for him tonight. But Brian,

1:07:46

staying in the present

1:07:48

day, in the present moment, we talked a

1:07:50

lot in the run-up for this Giro d'Italia

1:07:52

about Gran de Torino, we talked a lot

1:07:54

about the anniversary of the Superga disaster that

1:07:56

was today. Where were you at 1703? by

1:08:00

the way. I would have been on the finish

1:08:02

line I think. Did you hear that there was

1:08:04

actually it was either like a military jet or

1:08:06

something there was a plane that flew over the

1:08:08

the Superga so there was also

1:08:10

like a visual commemoration

1:08:13

of that tragic day. Well

1:08:16

we have talked a lot about it I

1:08:19

went up there this morning I ran up

1:08:21

there posted a video on Instagram by the

1:08:23

memorial I also

1:08:25

met Diego Fornero of

1:08:27

the author behind

1:08:29

the Invi Cibile podcast which we

1:08:32

heard well we heard him in

1:08:34

my column Sierra about Gran de Torino and

1:08:37

yes it's been a

1:08:39

poignant day in Turin for

1:08:41

that reason that did you know the

1:08:43

Mole Antonelliana which is the iconic that

1:08:45

the old synagogue in Turin

1:08:48

Turin's most iconic building

1:08:50

there's a barge of Torino badge

1:08:53

that's projected on there today didn't

1:08:55

know that. I also think there's

1:08:57

something quite telling about the fact

1:08:59

that you know there's obviously reason

1:09:01

why the Giro starts here on

1:09:03

this day etc but

1:09:05

it also shows that sport has

1:09:07

a lot in common you know what the

1:09:10

dreams we have the people

1:09:12

that we love the riders or

1:09:14

football players we're fans of and

1:09:17

it's also about you actually you aren't able

1:09:19

to reduce cycling to others just like a

1:09:21

bunch of guys riding for you to be

1:09:24

in the fastest one gets a pink t-shirt

1:09:26

or your football it's just 22 players running

1:09:28

around on a field of grass after a

1:09:30

leather ball that there's so much more to

1:09:33

it and you can actually you

1:09:35

can see today that though I mean you saw

1:09:37

also on the Superga there was a huge group

1:09:40

of Gran de Torino fans you know in that

1:09:42

in those colors and cheering on the rider

1:09:44

so I think often you

1:09:46

say sports are very quite of isolated and

1:09:49

this is the Olympics but they do actually

1:09:51

have a lot in common and one of

1:09:53

those things is love indeed

1:09:56

Brian and in fact I've decided

1:09:58

that we're gonna play out today and

1:10:01

this evening with another

1:10:03

little sort of tribute

1:10:05

little homage to Grandi

1:10:07

Torino as I said I went up

1:10:09

this morning to Superga

1:10:12

we're gonna hear a little

1:10:14

sort of vignette from me

1:10:16

this morning we're also gonna

1:10:18

hear again the song that

1:10:20

we heard in my Grandi

1:10:22

Torino in our Grandi Torino

1:10:24

episode and John Ondipioggia by

1:10:26

Sencio Unico, they're fans

1:10:28

of Torino and we...

1:10:31

sorry Brian? No

1:10:33

I was I was about to say you know I

1:10:35

had I was I interviewed

1:10:37

the goalkeeper for

1:10:39

he was the second goalkeeper of

1:10:42

Grandi Torino and I did it some 15

1:10:44

years ago for a Danish football magazine and

1:10:47

I wasn't that good at Italian

1:10:49

back then and but it was quite poignant what

1:10:52

he said because he lost all his teammates that

1:10:54

day and he he was supposed

1:10:56

to be on that airplane but because

1:10:58

the third goalkeeper was a brother of

1:11:01

one of the most significant defenders and

1:11:05

he said to me that he felt ashamed

1:11:07

not dying that day because his

1:11:09

life was actually over after that it's very

1:11:11

very sad and very significant

1:11:13

personal story for him as well

1:11:16

it gives me goosebumps just thinking

1:11:18

about that wonderful old man. Well

1:11:20

on that note Brian we will

1:11:22

finish for tonight and

1:11:25

we remember Grandi Torino

1:11:28

the greatest football team some would say that Italy

1:11:30

has ever seen who perished on

1:11:33

Superga 75 years ago today.

1:11:41

8.41 a beautiful morning in

1:11:44

Turin in Torino above

1:11:46

Torino as well because I'm up

1:11:49

at Basilica di Superga where

1:11:51

of course the race is

1:11:53

gonna be late

1:11:55

on today but obviously

1:11:58

this week we'll be talking about it. lot

1:12:00

about the Gran Turino and we

1:12:03

had our episode earlier in the week about the 75th anniversary

1:12:05

of the plane crash that

1:12:07

caused the death of the Gran Turino,

1:12:09

Italy's greatest ever football team. Team that

1:12:11

won five Italian league titles in the

1:12:14

1940s, their dominance kind of straddled the

1:12:17

Second World War and

1:12:19

it's been a

1:12:22

moving, rewarding experience

1:12:24

just to immerse myself in that

1:12:27

whole story this weekend to come up here

1:12:30

today is pretty special to Giro as well

1:12:32

coming past here. The climb itself, I haven't

1:12:34

got the route in front of me, I

1:12:36

don't know how many times I've been climbing

1:12:38

the Pergues but I was thinking earlier on

1:12:40

my way running up here which took me

1:12:42

rather longer than 15 minutes. In

1:12:45

our episode we talked about this phenomenon, the

1:12:47

Quattro d'Odada Granata, the garnet

1:12:51

15 minutes in

1:12:54

Gran the Turino games, there was a gentleman in

1:12:56

the crowd that was

1:12:58

armed with a trumpet and when

1:13:00

team needed him he

1:13:02

used to get up or he felt they

1:13:05

needed him he used to get up, blow

1:13:07

his trumpet and then something called the Quattro

1:13:09

d'Odada Granata and that was when the team

1:13:11

would take it as their cue to really

1:13:13

put their foot on the accelerator and often

1:13:16

they sort of obliterated teams in that

1:13:18

period but it struck me earlier that

1:13:20

maybe the client of Supergual probably lost

1:13:23

that 15 minutes I'm guessing could be

1:13:25

a could be a Quattro d'Odada Granata. I've

1:13:27

just walked around the front now, one thing

1:13:29

I think I also mentioned or John Foote

1:13:32

also mentioned in that episode was that

1:13:34

the old Hall of the Old

1:13:36

Savoy royal family is buried

1:13:40

up here, I just walked around the side of the

1:13:42

Basilica past where all

1:13:44

the tombs are and now I'm around

1:13:46

the front of the Basilica and the

1:13:49

plane crafting to the back and that's

1:13:51

where the monument is but around the

1:13:53

front got extraordinary extraordinary view of

1:13:55

Turin and the Alps behind in

1:13:58

particular center stage The

1:14:00

Monviso, it also features on

1:14:02

Stacey Smiley's cups, the sheer

1:14:05

backdrop to Superga. It

1:14:08

used to be known as the Redi

1:14:10

Pietra, the Stone King, the Monviso, the

1:14:12

mother mountain of the

1:14:14

Piedmontese covered in snow at the

1:14:16

moment. There's also this legend myth,

1:14:18

it is a myth, that the

1:14:20

Paramount Pictures logo was based

1:14:22

on the silhouette, the form of the

1:14:25

Monviso. And that's kind of been debunked,

1:14:27

like a lot of myths in Italy

1:14:30

and like a lot of myths, usually

1:14:32

culinary myths that we'll talk about during

1:14:34

this journey. But as I

1:14:36

said, a very rewarding experience to come up here.

1:14:38

Today was a bit of a pilgrimage and bit

1:14:40

of a rite of passage that I

1:14:42

had promised myself I would do. It was

1:14:44

a tough climb I have to say, up

1:14:46

from the centre of Torino,

1:14:49

about 400 meters of climbing and about 10 kilometers

1:14:51

from where I was staying. I think I can't

1:14:54

speak back or bust. Anyway, I'm

1:14:56

proud of today. People

1:15:09

who listened to the cycling podcast after, those

1:15:11

who have listened to the special we did

1:15:14

on Grandes Torino will be familiar, I hope,

1:15:16

with your voice. But it's lovely to meet

1:15:18

you in person finally. We had a nice

1:15:20

long conversation like Grandes Torino a couple of

1:15:22

weeks ago. You were here at the time

1:15:25

in Aria, Ariale. And you've got a very

1:15:27

special day, isn't it? I've already told you,

1:15:29

I've been up to Superga and

1:15:31

it is the anniversary, the 75th anniversary. I was

1:15:34

just telling you, I

1:15:37

bought the local newspaper last time for this morning.

1:15:39

I was curious to see what other things are

1:15:42

being done and organized. So you can tell me

1:15:44

a little bit about that today and how important

1:15:47

it is. Let me say,

1:15:49

it's always a special day. When it

1:15:51

comes to May 4th, it always feels

1:15:54

something special to me, to ask the

1:15:56

people that actually have in their heart

1:15:58

what happened to Grande Torino now

1:16:00

is 75 years, it's a lot. And

1:16:04

again, it's not something that is history,

1:16:06

it's more something that is more like,

1:16:09

let me say, I

1:16:11

really feel like a sense of belonging to

1:16:14

what happened to this team. And

1:16:16

yeah, I mean, from one side,

1:16:18

it's an important day from another

1:16:21

side, we celebrate, but also we

1:16:23

feel like something that is still,

1:16:25

let me say, painful, even if

1:16:27

it's been a lot of years.

1:16:30

So it's not a party, it's not like,

1:16:34

we can say a celebration. And

1:16:36

maybe it's the reason why people

1:16:38

from the outside feel like, we

1:16:41

are not having something special, something

1:16:43

different than usual. It's more like

1:16:45

a moment where together, when to

1:16:47

stay together, where to really

1:16:51

commemorate what happened. So. That

1:16:53

moment, what form does that moment take

1:16:55

every year? It's a procession, because this

1:16:58

morning, when we run up there on the way down,

1:17:00

we saw a lot of total fans already making

1:17:02

their way up. But is that all day, there'll

1:17:04

be people walking up there? Yeah, no, there will

1:17:06

be a celebration at 5 p.m. That

1:17:09

is the moment in which actually the

1:17:12

crash happened 75

1:17:14

years ago, and then there will be a holy

1:17:16

mass in

1:17:18

Supergabazilica, and then the

1:17:21

team will go in front

1:17:23

of the monument, and there will be the captain

1:17:26

reading the names of all the

1:17:29

Grand Etorino players and all the

1:17:31

people that died in the accident. And

1:17:33

maybe he's not going to be probably

1:17:35

the captain, probably he'll be the vice

1:17:37

captain, that is Alessandro Bonjourno. Why not

1:17:40

the captain? Yeah, because Alessandro Bonjourno is

1:17:42

born in Turin, grew up in Turino,

1:17:44

is a, let me say, a true

1:17:46

Torino heart, and so

1:17:49

he's the most symbolic player to choose.

1:17:51

It happened also last year. And

1:17:53

yeah, I think it will be every

1:17:56

time I'm there, and I have been

1:17:58

lucky enough to be there. also

1:18:00

really in front of the players

1:18:03

in the past and it's really

1:18:05

heartbreaking let me say something really

1:18:07

really intense and it's a moment

1:18:09

where we actually gather and celebrate

1:18:11

obviously there's no space for everyone

1:18:13

because you've been in Superg

1:18:15

is really really little the spot but

1:18:17

it's important to be there at least

1:18:20

with our hearts and with our minds.

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