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outside the UK.
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Hello, it's Hannah Fry here and I am
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just dropping in your ears to let
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you know that my new series for BBC Radio 4,
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Uncharted, Tales of Data and Discovery,
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is out now. So for the next 15 minutes
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I'm going to take over this feed to
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give you just a little taste of the podcast.
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Enjoy the first episode.
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podcasts.
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It's 1973 and Britain is
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in turmoil. The year begins
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with a stock market crash
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and quickly gets worse. By
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May, millions are on strike, miners
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and steel workers, postal workers and
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train drivers. Inflation is surging
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and whole industries are
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on the brink of collapse. But
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away from all of the societal unrest, unmentioned
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in the news, something else is going
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on. Something subtler and stranger.
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Something that remained invisible until
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many years later. In
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front rooms and hospitals across the country,
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an unusually high number of baby
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boys
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were being born. We're
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not just talking about a few extra baby
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boys here. In 1973 to 74,
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the ratio of baby boys
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to baby girls born in England and
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Wales was higher than at
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any other time in the 20th
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century. What
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on earth was going on? I'm
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Hannah Fry, a mathematician who studies
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patterns in human behaviour. And
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for BBC Radio 4, this is
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Uncharted, tales of
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data and discovery. This is a
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series about how graphs can help.
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help you to see the invisible, about
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how plots can be rich with hidden
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depths and unheard stories, and
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about how sometimes, if you know where
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to look, there is mystery and
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drama and intrigue to be found,
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all concealed within a few
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lines on a page.
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I was researching my book Sex by Numbers and
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I plotted out
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the sex ratio statistics from 2008 to 2012,
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and as far as I know, nobody had ever plotted
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that before, I've never ever seen it. It's
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just boring numbers in a big spreadsheet.
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But when you draw it, it is one of
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those graphs, one of those delicious graphs,
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where you just think, what is going
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on here? This is extraordinary. This
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is David Spiegelhofer, a statistician
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and sometimes sexologist. He'd
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noticed something odd, something striking.
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Over the 20th century in the UK,
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in a few specific years, the
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proportion of male births spikes
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sharply. Now in general,
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we expect more boys to be born
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than girls. The ratio is not quite
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50-50. It typically hovers
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somewhere around 104 boys born for every 100
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girls. That is a weirdly
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neat trick of nature, because
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it just happens to compensate
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for the fact that boys are more likely to
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die young, from developmental problems
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or from accidents. So
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the imbalance at birth evens out
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over time.
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But that ratio at birth is not
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fixed.
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If you look at each year across the 20th century,
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there are notable moments where
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the ratio of
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boys to girls shoots
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up. The
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first spike arrives in 1919, of
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course just after the end of the First World
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War. The second is in 1944,
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towards the tail end of the Second World
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War. And in 1973, it's to
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its highest point ever. You
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might be tempted to dismiss this line
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as random variation, the messy
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uncertainty of biology writ large.
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And yet this is a pattern that you'll find in
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other
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places too. The sex ratio
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also peaks for the main combatants during
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and just after both world
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wars. You see it in France, in
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Germany, Austria, Belgium,
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Denmark,
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the Netherlands. This
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is such a strangely robust
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observation that it has been given a suggestive
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name, the returning soldier
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effect.
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The returning soldier effect is the observation
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that more boys are born at the
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end of wars. And it's
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just true. It is absolutely true. It's
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just a wonderful mystery. Why? What is
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going on? What indeed?
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There have been no shortage of theories,
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but perhaps the most delightful comes from a German
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pastor in the 1700s
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by scrupulously collecting data from
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parish registers. J. P.
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Sussman explored the kind of questions
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which would eventually develop into the science
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of demographics.
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And he noted for the first time
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that consistently more
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boys were born than girls.
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And then, amid long
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dry columns of population statistics,
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Sussman detected the subtle
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hand of God. In
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his magnum opus, the divine
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order in the changes of the human species,
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he set out the evidence for heavenly
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interference. Here was
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God in the data, quietly overseeing
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births and deaths, carefully managing
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the numbers of boys and girls born, taking
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and giving life according
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to some celestial algorithm, all
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to craft the ideal society.
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And thus, he argued, at the end
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of a war, God must be
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trying to replenish the male stock.
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a country, a divine rebalancing.
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It seems like the perfect explanation,
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but sadly one that doesn't hold up
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to scientific scrutiny. And
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so,
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centuries later, hoping for a
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more modern account, another
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man took up the past as mission, hoping
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to unearth its hidden secrets.
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I came to UCL about 30
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years ago and one
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of the strange people who was
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in the department at that time was
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Bill. I mean, Bill was the kind
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of guy, I was busily working
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away, and I would take a break and
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I'd wander off and I'd bump into Bill. And
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there he was, standing in the corridor
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with a deerstalker hat, his
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trousers in his bicycle clips, and
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he had this wicked
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grin on his face, and
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he would come up to me and tell me some new
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facts that he'd found. This
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is Andrew Pomyankowski, or POM
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as he's known, a colleague and sparring
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partner of Bill, or William James.
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Bill passed away in 2022, and for many years, decades
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in fact, he
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carved out an incredibly niche area
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of expertise.
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He was interested in only one thing. He
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really was a man dedicated
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to one particular question,
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which is,
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what is the human sex ratio
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of offspring? How many males
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and females do couples have?
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And what might explain
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deviations?
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Some people have more
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male offspring and some have
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more male offspring.
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That was his big obsession,
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and it really was an obsession.
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at
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University College London, which meant that
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he could access journals and books and use
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an academic address. His partner
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for almost 60 years, Susan Crichton,
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records how dedicated he was to his research
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to the exclusion of much else.
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He worked in his really squalid basement flat
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and he worked, he had a typewriter, a manual
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typewriter which he kept going for years before
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I persuaded him to move on to a word processor.
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And he was so individual, he'd
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write his papers, he'd type them out and
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then he'd take them to the journals
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that he was trying to get them into. And people
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seemed to like this, people like him turning up on
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the door with a paper. And he got
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a lot of publishers, he was totally committed.
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But you see, he didn't have anything else to do. He managed
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to avoid having to teach, he managed
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to avoid all administrative things, he
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definitely avoided cleaning.
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Bill would cycle around London to sniff
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out new data sources. He corresponded
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with a huge number of friends and colleagues around
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the world in long handwritten letters
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and would
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return to his basement office to pore
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over the evidence that he'd gathered. Could
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it be something to do with the effects of stress
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that
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explained the ratio of boys to girls born?
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Or maybe parental age? Was
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it all down to differences in the father's height?
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He considered them all, but in the end,
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to explain the returning soldier
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effect in particular, he favoured
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one theory more than the others.
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A theory that was all about
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sex.
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Let
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me transport you back
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to 1980. The Armistice which
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ended World War I was signed in November.
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Over the next year, more than 3 million
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British soldiers were demobilised and
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made their way home.
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Think of this vast
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number of newly demobbed soldiers
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being reunited with wives and girls. friends
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after months or years surrounded by
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suffering and death. Well, you
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might expect both parties to be pretty
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jubilant, deeply relieved and
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fantastically horny. And
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okay, that is speculation. It's difficult
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to measure,
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of course, but it is true that
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those soldiers returning in 1918
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and 1919 produced the highest
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number of babies born at any point
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in the 20th century. The
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more than 1.1 million babies born in 1920 remains
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a
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standout, an all-time record
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for the UK.
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So what about 1944? The Second
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World War came to an end in the following year,
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but it turns out that in 1944 there
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were large numbers of soldiers on temporary
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leave, and the lead-up to D-Day
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saw an extraordinary number of new
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marriages.
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But okay, so what? Even if it's true, how would
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the frequency of sex make any difference
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to the number of boys being born?
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Well, Bill had an answer. He'd
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spotted something subtle in the data,
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something which convinced the statistician David
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Spiegelhalter.
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My belief is, follows the work of
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Bill James at University College London, who
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identified that the
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sex ratio is dependent on when in
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the cycle the conception occurs.
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And so if a conception occurs
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early on in the cycle, the ratio
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of boys to girls is higher than later
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on in the cycle. So why should,
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at the end of wars, conceptions
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tend to occur early on in the cycle?
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Because there's more sex.
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So essentially, if you are having a lot
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of sex throughout a period
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of fertility, you're more likely to get pregnant
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early on, because if
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you're pregnant early on, you can't get pregnant later on.
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It turns out that the chances of a woman conceiving
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a male or a female child very
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subtly change
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on when in her cycle she conceives
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slightly earlier and it's ever
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so slightly more likely to result in a
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male child. This might
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be because of the gently fluctuating
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hormonal environment or the delicate
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changes in acidity which will affect
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X and Y sperm differently. We
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are talking about tiny, tiny
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changes to probability here. Certainly
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too small to be seen at the level of an individual
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woman, so you can't use this
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to game the system to your own advantage.
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But fragile as it is,
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the signal is there. It's
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a whisper but it's there. And
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once you scale up to the size
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of a population, there is a pattern
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that starts to become clear. At
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the end of a war, people have much
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more sex than normal, women get
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pregnant slightly earlier and there is
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a spike in the number of baby boys
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who are born. And
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yet
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what of 1973? 1973 wasn't
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a war, there were no returning soldiers.
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Are we to believe that rising inflation, strikes
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and sky-high energy prices were
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turning people on? I mean,
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kind of, yes.
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A lot of things were going on in 1973. It
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was a time of intense sexual activity in young
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people. There was a surge of teenage pregnancy
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and widespread use of contraceptive
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pill was still not there and
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the age of marriage reached its lowest
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ever point. All this says that there was
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a huge amount of sexual activity in this newly
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liberated time among young people
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and a lot of sex means more boys.
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So there you have it, the
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oscillations of this simple line built
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from tiny shifts in the probability of
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conceiving a boy or a girl hold
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countless unheard stories of human
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history. The passion of the soldier
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and his lover reunited for some brief
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period of leave, the jubilation of
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people peace after years of devastating
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war, or a population embracing
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new-found sexual liberation amidst
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political turmoil.
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The faint echoes of a nation's
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libido flexing with the
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force of history.
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I told you graphs were interesting.
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That is it for this episode, but there are
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ten fascinating stories in this
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series, even if I do say so myself.
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So search for Uncharted and subscribe
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