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Introducing… Uncharted with Hannah Fry

Released Monday, 2nd October 2023
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Introducing… Uncharted with Hannah Fry

Introducing… Uncharted with Hannah Fry

Introducing… Uncharted with Hannah Fry

Introducing… Uncharted with Hannah Fry

Monday, 2nd October 2023
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This is the BBC. This

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podcast is supported by advertising

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outside the UK.

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Hello, it's Hannah Fry here and I am

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just dropping in your ears to let

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you know that my new series for BBC Radio 4,

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Uncharted, Tales of Data and Discovery,

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is out now. So for the next 15 minutes

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I'm going to take over this feed to

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give you just a little taste of the podcast.

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Enjoy the first episode.

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BBC Sounds, music, radio,

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podcasts.

0:37

It's 1973 and Britain is

0:40

in turmoil. The year begins

0:42

with a stock market crash

0:43

and quickly gets worse. By

0:45

May, millions are on strike, miners

0:48

and steel workers, postal workers and

0:50

train drivers. Inflation is surging

0:52

and whole industries are

0:54

on the brink of collapse. But

1:03

away from all of the societal unrest, unmentioned

1:06

in the news, something else is going

1:09

on. Something subtler and stranger.

1:12

Something that remained invisible until

1:14

many years later. In

1:16

front rooms and hospitals across the country,

1:19

an unusually high number of baby

1:21

boys

1:21

were being born. We're

1:24

not just talking about a few extra baby

1:26

boys here. In 1973 to 74,

1:29

the ratio of baby boys

1:32

to baby girls born in England and

1:34

Wales was higher than at

1:36

any other time in the 20th

1:38

century. What

1:41

on earth was going on? I'm

1:48

Hannah Fry, a mathematician who studies

1:50

patterns in human behaviour. And

1:52

for BBC Radio 4, this is

1:54

Uncharted, tales of

1:56

data and discovery. This is a

1:58

series about how graphs can help.

1:59

help you to see the invisible, about

2:02

how plots can be rich with hidden

2:04

depths and unheard stories, and

2:07

about how sometimes, if you know where

2:09

to look, there is mystery and

2:11

drama and intrigue to be found,

2:14

all concealed within a few

2:16

lines on a page.

2:21

I was researching my book Sex by Numbers and

2:25

I plotted out

2:26

the sex ratio statistics from 2008 to 2012,

2:29

and as far as I know, nobody had ever plotted

2:31

that before, I've never ever seen it. It's

2:33

just boring numbers in a big spreadsheet.

2:36

But when you draw it, it is one of

2:38

those graphs, one of those delicious graphs,

2:40

where you just think, what is going

2:43

on here? This is extraordinary. This

2:45

is David Spiegelhofer, a statistician

2:48

and sometimes sexologist. He'd

2:51

noticed something odd, something striking.

2:54

Over the 20th century in the UK,

2:56

in a few specific years, the

2:59

proportion of male births spikes

3:01

sharply. Now in general,

3:04

we expect more boys to be born

3:06

than girls. The ratio is not quite

3:08

50-50. It typically hovers

3:11

somewhere around 104 boys born for every 100

3:14

girls. That is a weirdly

3:16

neat trick of nature, because

3:19

it just happens to compensate

3:21

for the fact that boys are more likely to

3:23

die young, from developmental problems

3:26

or from accidents. So

3:28

the imbalance at birth evens out

3:30

over time.

3:32

But that ratio at birth is not

3:34

fixed.

3:35

If you look at each year across the 20th century,

3:38

there are notable moments where

3:40

the ratio of

3:41

boys to girls shoots

3:43

up. The

3:46

first spike arrives in 1919, of

3:49

course just after the end of the First World

3:51

War. The second is in 1944,

3:54

towards the tail end of the Second World

3:57

War. And in 1973, it's to

4:00

its highest point ever. You

4:03

might be tempted to dismiss this line

4:05

as random variation, the messy

4:07

uncertainty of biology writ large.

4:10

And yet this is a pattern that you'll find in

4:12

other

4:12

places too. The sex ratio

4:14

also peaks for the main combatants during

4:17

and just after both world

4:20

wars. You see it in France, in

4:22

Germany, Austria, Belgium,

4:24

Denmark,

4:25

the Netherlands. This

4:27

is such a strangely robust

4:29

observation that it has been given a suggestive

4:32

name, the returning soldier

4:34

effect.

4:35

The returning soldier effect is the observation

4:38

that more boys are born at the

4:41

end of wars. And it's

4:43

just true. It is absolutely true. It's

4:45

just a wonderful mystery. Why? What is

4:48

going on? What indeed?

4:53

There have been no shortage of theories,

4:56

but perhaps the most delightful comes from a German

4:58

pastor in the 1700s

5:01

by scrupulously collecting data from

5:03

parish registers. J. P.

5:05

Sussman explored the kind of questions

5:07

which would eventually develop into the science

5:09

of demographics.

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And he noted for the first time

5:13

that consistently more

5:14

boys were born than girls.

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And then, amid long

5:19

dry columns of population statistics,

5:22

Sussman detected the subtle

5:25

hand of God. In

5:27

his magnum opus, the divine

5:29

order in the changes of the human species,

5:32

he set out the evidence for heavenly

5:34

interference. Here was

5:37

God in the data, quietly overseeing

5:40

births and deaths, carefully managing

5:42

the numbers of boys and girls born, taking

5:45

and giving life according

5:47

to some celestial algorithm, all

5:50

to craft the ideal society.

5:53

And thus, he argued, at the end

5:55

of a war, God must be

5:57

trying to replenish the male stock.

6:00

a country, a divine rebalancing.

6:06

It seems like the perfect explanation,

6:08

but sadly one that doesn't hold up

6:11

to scientific scrutiny. And

6:13

so,

6:14

centuries later, hoping for a

6:16

more modern account, another

6:18

man took up the past as mission, hoping

6:21

to unearth its hidden secrets.

6:24

I came to UCL about 30

6:26

years ago and one

6:29

of the strange people who was

6:31

in the department at that time was

6:33

Bill. I mean, Bill was the kind

6:36

of guy, I was busily working

6:38

away, and I would take a break and

6:40

I'd wander off and I'd bump into Bill. And

6:42

there he was, standing in the corridor

6:45

with a deerstalker hat, his

6:48

trousers in his bicycle clips, and

6:50

he had this wicked

6:52

grin on his face, and

6:55

he would come up to me and tell me some new

6:58

facts that he'd found. This

7:00

is Andrew Pomyankowski, or POM

7:03

as he's known, a colleague and sparring

7:05

partner of Bill, or William James.

7:07

Bill passed away in 2022, and for many years, decades

7:10

in fact, he

7:13

carved out an incredibly niche area

7:16

of expertise.

7:17

He was interested in only one thing. He

7:21

really was a man dedicated

7:23

to one particular question,

7:27

which is,

7:28

what is the human sex ratio

7:30

of offspring? How many males

7:33

and females do couples have?

7:36

And what might explain

7:38

deviations?

7:40

Some people have more

7:43

male offspring and some have

7:45

more male offspring.

7:47

That was his big obsession,

7:51

and it really was an obsession.

7:54

at

8:00

University College London, which meant that

8:02

he could access journals and books and use

8:04

an academic address. His partner

8:06

for almost 60 years, Susan Crichton,

8:09

records how dedicated he was to his research

8:12

to the exclusion of much else.

8:14

He worked in his really squalid basement flat

8:18

and he worked, he had a typewriter, a manual

8:20

typewriter which he kept going for years before

8:23

I persuaded him to move on to a word processor.

8:27

And he was so individual, he'd

8:30

write his papers, he'd type them out and

8:32

then he'd take them to the journals

8:34

that he was trying to get them into. And people

8:36

seemed to like this, people like him turning up on

8:38

the door with a paper. And he got

8:40

a lot of publishers, he was totally committed.

8:43

But you see, he didn't have anything else to do. He managed

8:46

to avoid having to teach, he managed

8:48

to avoid all administrative things, he

8:51

definitely avoided cleaning.

8:56

Bill would cycle around London to sniff

8:58

out new data sources. He corresponded

9:00

with a huge number of friends and colleagues around

9:03

the world in long handwritten letters

9:05

and would

9:06

return to his basement office to pore

9:08

over the evidence that he'd gathered. Could

9:11

it be something to do with the effects of stress

9:13

that

9:13

explained the ratio of boys to girls born?

9:15

Or maybe parental age? Was

9:18

it all down to differences in the father's height?

9:21

He considered them all, but in the end,

9:23

to explain the returning soldier

9:26

effect in particular, he favoured

9:28

one theory more than the others.

9:31

A theory that was all about

9:34

sex.

9:34

Let

9:40

me transport you back

9:43

to 1980. The Armistice which

9:45

ended World War I was signed in November.

9:48

Over the next year, more than 3 million

9:50

British soldiers were demobilised and

9:52

made their way home.

9:54

Think of this vast

9:55

number of newly demobbed soldiers

9:57

being reunited with wives and girls. friends

10:00

after months or years surrounded by

10:03

suffering and death. Well, you

10:05

might expect both parties to be pretty

10:08

jubilant, deeply relieved and

10:11

fantastically horny. And

10:15

okay, that is speculation. It's difficult

10:18

to measure,

10:18

of course, but it is true that

10:20

those soldiers returning in 1918

10:22

and 1919 produced the highest

10:25

number of babies born at any point

10:27

in the 20th century. The

10:29

more than 1.1 million babies born in 1920 remains

10:32

a

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standout, an all-time record

10:37

for the UK.

10:41

So what about 1944? The Second

10:44

World War came to an end in the following year,

10:46

but it turns out that in 1944 there

10:49

were large numbers of soldiers on temporary

10:51

leave, and the lead-up to D-Day

10:53

saw an extraordinary number of new

10:55

marriages.

10:57

But okay, so what? Even if it's true, how would

10:59

the frequency of sex make any difference

11:01

to the number of boys being born?

11:04

Well, Bill had an answer. He'd

11:06

spotted something subtle in the data,

11:08

something which convinced the statistician David

11:10

Spiegelhalter.

11:12

My belief is, follows the work of

11:14

Bill James at University College London, who

11:16

identified that the

11:19

sex ratio is dependent on when in

11:21

the cycle the conception occurs.

11:24

And so if a conception occurs

11:26

early on in the cycle, the ratio

11:28

of boys to girls is higher than later

11:31

on in the cycle. So why should,

11:34

at the end of wars, conceptions

11:37

tend to occur early on in the cycle?

11:39

Because there's more sex.

11:41

So essentially, if you are having a lot

11:43

of sex throughout a period

11:46

of fertility, you're more likely to get pregnant

11:48

early on, because if

11:50

you're pregnant early on, you can't get pregnant later on.

11:52

It turns out that the chances of a woman conceiving

11:55

a male or a female child very

11:58

subtly change

11:59

on when in her cycle she conceives

12:02

slightly earlier and it's ever

12:04

so slightly more likely to result in a

12:07

male child. This might

12:09

be because of the gently fluctuating

12:11

hormonal environment or the delicate

12:13

changes in acidity which will affect

12:16

X and Y sperm differently. We

12:18

are talking about tiny, tiny

12:21

changes to probability here. Certainly

12:23

too small to be seen at the level of an individual

12:25

woman, so you can't use this

12:28

to game the system to your own advantage.

12:31

But fragile as it is,

12:33

the signal is there. It's

12:35

a whisper but it's there. And

12:38

once you scale up to the size

12:39

of a population, there is a pattern

12:42

that starts to become clear. At

12:44

the end of a war, people have much

12:47

more sex than normal, women get

12:49

pregnant slightly earlier and there is

12:51

a spike in the number of baby boys

12:53

who are born. And

12:55

yet

12:56

what of 1973? 1973 wasn't

12:59

a war, there were no returning soldiers.

13:02

Are we to believe that rising inflation, strikes

13:05

and sky-high energy prices were

13:07

turning people on? I mean,

13:10

kind of, yes.

13:12

A lot of things were going on in 1973. It

13:14

was a time of intense sexual activity in young

13:16

people. There was a surge of teenage pregnancy

13:19

and widespread use of contraceptive

13:22

pill was still not there and

13:24

the age of marriage reached its lowest

13:26

ever point. All this says that there was

13:28

a huge amount of sexual activity in this newly

13:31

liberated time among young people

13:34

and a lot of sex means more boys.

13:40

So there you have it, the

13:43

oscillations of this simple line built

13:45

from tiny shifts in the probability of

13:48

conceiving a boy or a girl hold

13:51

countless unheard stories of human

13:53

history. The passion of the soldier

13:55

and his lover reunited for some brief

13:57

period of leave, the jubilation of

13:59

people peace after years of devastating

14:02

war, or a population embracing

14:04

new-found sexual liberation amidst

14:07

political turmoil.

14:09

The faint echoes of a nation's

14:11

libido flexing with the

14:14

force of history.

14:16

I told you graphs were interesting.

14:20

That is it for this episode, but there are

14:23

ten fascinating stories in this

14:25

series, even if I do say so myself.

14:28

So search for Uncharted and subscribe

14:30

on BBC Sounds Now or wherever you

14:32

get your podcasts.

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