Episode Transcript
Transcripts are displayed as originally observed. Some content, including advertisements may have changed.
Use Ctrl + F to search
0:00
Are you certain that you understand
0:02
the root causes and
0:04
mechanism of your back pain ? It's
0:07
my goal in this episode to
0:10
make damn sure that you have a clear
0:12
idea of what's going on . A
0:17
big question we want to answer
0:19
is whether we are overlooking
0:21
something vital . Why
0:25
is the back pain persisting
0:27
? What are we missing ? Figuring
0:31
out what's really causing our back pain
0:33
is crucial , yet it's something that
0:35
athletes , gym goers , weekend
0:37
warriors and even healthcare
0:40
professionals often skip right over
0:42
. Care
0:46
professionals often skip right over . We've got to understand
0:48
what is causing our discomfort before we jump into any new workout
0:50
plans , popping pills
0:53
, going under the knife , switching
0:56
up our diets or trying
0:58
out some new visualization
1:00
technique . Because
1:03
our bodies are pretty much
1:05
trying to talk to us through pain
1:07
, trying to tell us to
1:09
rethink and change
1:11
our actions . But
1:14
if we blame it on bad luck or
1:17
some mysterious cause
1:19
, we're
1:22
just ignoring the straightforward
1:24
logic of cause and effect
1:26
. Injury does not
1:28
come from nowhere , nor
1:31
does it disappear back into nothingness
1:34
. Our actions
1:36
cause it . Our decisions and
1:38
choices are what lay the foundation
1:41
, which pave the way , and
1:44
it is through our actions
1:47
that we can change or
1:49
heal our back pain
1:51
. By
1:53
changing what's causing the pain , we
1:58
can change the impact of
2:00
pain on us , a
2:03
concept that seems pretty straightforward
2:05
, straightforward but is actually quite tough to
2:07
put into practice . My
2:10
thinking here has started
2:12
to move away from the common
2:14
clinical and bodybuilding
2:17
views and more towards
2:19
the expanded perspective found
2:21
in the movement culture . This
2:24
shift mirrors the journey that
2:27
Professor McGill , professor
2:29
Stuart McGill , whose
2:31
work that this project is based on . This
2:34
shift in perspective mirrors the
2:38
journey that he took to reach his discoveries
2:40
. The
2:43
common approach has been to
2:45
reduce the injury or exercise
2:47
to an isolated structure or cause
2:49
. Of
2:51
course , sometimes when things go wrong
2:54
, we can trace their origin
2:56
back to just one point or a single
2:58
factor , and while that single
3:00
point might be fascinating
3:02
, that single point might
3:05
be fascinating Looking
3:09
at the bigger picture . By looking at the bigger picture , especially
3:13
our broader movement patterns , we can access a lot more insight
3:16
Instead of just zeroing in
3:18
on specific parts of our body
3:20
for diagnosis or treatment . I've
3:27
come to see each of us as our own unique mix
3:29
of complex , interconnected systems , something which is far removed
3:32
from the ideas of isolated structures
3:34
or isolated movements . When
3:39
Professor McGill was asked
3:42
in an interview
3:44
with Dr Kelly Starrett what
3:48
is pain , I'll
3:51
never forget he hit
3:53
the nail on the head . He
3:56
said that understanding the cause of pain
3:58
is much more useful than
4:01
trying to define what the pain is or
4:04
where it is . If
4:06
we understand what's causing our back pain
4:08
, we can actually do something about it
4:10
. The rest
4:12
is mental
4:14
entertainment , mental
4:17
masturbation . But
4:20
before we dive into the causes of back
4:23
pain , let's be clear about
4:25
what we're talking about . Basically
4:29
, back pain is like an
4:31
SOS signal from our spine , usually
4:34
for most of us from the lower or lumbar
4:36
area , the lower or lumbar
4:39
spine . The
5:00
spine is trying to tell us that it us telling
5:03
us that without some changes , the
5:05
problem is going to build up , it's going to accumulate
5:08
and
5:12
it will eventually lead to even worse problems down
5:14
the line and
5:17
maybe even permanent damage . And
5:22
permanent damage is almost always served with a solid dose
5:24
of depression . So what's the solution ? It's
5:27
actually quite simple Stop
5:37
stressing your back , or at least reduce the stress
5:39
significantly and give it a solid chance to recover . Simple , but
5:41
not easy . You
5:43
need to know precisely what
5:45
is causing the stress and how
5:47
, and this is what we're going to
5:49
take a closer look at . But
5:52
before we can identify the
5:55
root causes of our pain , we need to understand
5:57
how things break down in our body in the first
5:59
place . So let's discuss
6:02
this breakdown process . The
6:05
wear and tear we see in our lower back injuries
6:09
can best be understood
6:11
through the lens or
6:14
the eyes of a material scientist
6:16
or engineer . Material
6:19
scientists look at
6:21
how structures deform under pressure
6:23
, whether any of that deformation
6:27
or change sticks
6:29
around after the
6:31
load or pressure has been removed
6:33
, and how many times
6:35
you can load up a structure before
6:38
it breaks . Think
6:41
about a paperclip , the
6:44
perfect example we're all familiar
6:46
with . Bend it back and
6:48
forth enough times and eventually
6:50
it will snap with almost no effort . When
6:53
you bend the paperclip , it
6:55
changes shape at the bend . This
6:58
is the deformation . Bend
7:01
that paperclip the other way and you get
7:03
opposite changes at the opposite , at
7:05
the same spot , but
7:08
in the opposite direction . Each
7:11
bend of the paperclip leaves a little
7:13
bit of change behind the
7:16
material . Scientists call this change
7:18
deformation . As I've
7:20
said , eventually all
7:22
of these deformations add up and
7:24
the paperclip snaps . This
7:27
is pretty much what Professor McGill
7:30
saw happening with the tissues , the structural
7:32
tissues in our spine . We
7:35
bend them , bend them , bend
7:38
, bend , bend and
7:40
then they snap . They
7:43
tend to accumulate deformation
7:45
from bend
7:47
to bend . Very minuscule
7:50
amounts , very microscopic , small amounts
7:52
. But bend the spine , bend these
7:54
structures enough time without
7:56
the appropriate recovery , they
7:59
snap eventually . Mcgill
8:03
actually came to this understanding through two
8:05
pretty genius angles
8:07
. He tested real human
8:10
spines from cadavers in
8:12
mechanical loading machines to
8:14
see how they held up under
8:16
lots of bending , lots of repetitive bending
8:19
, mimicking what we do in real life
8:21
with our own spines . He
8:24
also used digital simulations to mimic
8:26
the loading patterns and
8:29
rhythms of real skeletons , and
8:32
it was through using both
8:34
of these two approaches that he was able
8:36
to simulate the necessary conditions
8:38
which produce the damage
8:40
of a lifetime on a spine . Now
8:43
, this description I've given is incredibly
8:45
simplified compared
8:48
to what's actually happening . The reality
8:51
is , of course , much more complex
8:53
, and it's also important to remember
8:55
that our spines are designed
8:58
intended to
9:00
bend . This is why they are not one
9:02
solid bone but
9:05
rather a complex of moving
9:07
joints , and they actually
9:09
do a great job at bending under
9:12
the right conditions . But
9:14
if we bend the joints of our spine
9:16
too much or inefficiently
9:18
, spine
9:24
too much or inefficiently or don't give the joints enough time to recover with quality
9:26
recovery , then we're
9:29
going to look at that damage building
9:31
up and eventually the structures
9:33
breaking down . This
9:36
brings up a big question why
9:39
are so many of us moving or
9:41
healing . Why
9:47
are so many of us not moving or
9:50
healing as well as we should ? Where
9:55
is this excess stress
9:57
coming from and
9:59
why are we not recovering sufficiently
10:01
? So
10:04
let's get to the heart of this issue . If
10:07
we acknowledge that our spines
10:09
are capable of handling a
10:11
lifetime of movement , then
10:13
we've got to take a closer look at what we're doing
10:16
that is making our spine so
10:18
vulnerable . We're
10:25
doing that is making our spine so vulnerable
10:27
. Given how widespread back pain is , the
10:32
habits that lead to lower back issues must be widespread as well
10:34
. If it's bad movement causing all the trouble , then we need to examine
10:37
the forces shaping our movement . And
10:40
there is one very obvious common
10:42
denominator in all of our daily
10:44
activity . For
10:47
all of us , our
10:49
day-to-day life is dominated
10:51
by sitting more than
10:53
any other single physical activity
10:55
. By far . From
10:58
our earliest days in a high chair to
11:00
our last sitting
11:02
is what we do most affecting
11:04
our movement development , or rather
11:07
the lack of it , more than anything
11:09
else . Since
11:12
we're sitting more than anything else , it's
11:14
no surprise or it should be no
11:16
surprise that sitting shapes
11:18
how we move more than
11:20
anything else . But
11:24
it's more than just inactivity
11:26
. Sitting is more than just inactivity
11:28
. It's actually working against
11:31
our development . It is anti-developmental
11:34
. Even
11:36
though it's everywhere , we
11:39
haven't fully come to grips with how sitting
11:41
down so much is really affecting
11:43
us , and
11:45
our wholehearted embrace
11:48
of sitting definitely hasn't
11:50
considered its negative side
11:52
effects . Tackling
11:55
the epidemic of back pain means we've got to
11:57
really look at how sitting influences
11:59
our movement and
12:01
how it plays into this widespread
12:03
issue . And
12:07
I know that you've heard that sitting
12:09
is the new smoking and
12:12
it's no good for you , but I bet you have
12:14
no idea how bad it really is . So
12:18
what is the price of sitting ? Is
12:24
so what is the price of sitting ? Let's take a moment to think about what happens to our lower back
12:26
when we're seated . I
12:28
think of the direct changes
12:30
from sitting in three broad
12:32
categories . Firstly
12:35
, leaning on a chair's backrest
12:37
means we're not using the
12:39
muscles meant to
12:41
support our spine . By
12:45
ignoring these muscles , this
12:47
leads to them weakening , losing
12:50
our coordination of them and
12:52
eventually our spine-supporting
12:54
muscles can't do their job very well
12:56
anymore . Secondly
12:59
, sitting also destroys
13:01
our breathing Because
13:03
of a host of things going on when we sit
13:05
and another host of things which are not going
13:08
on when we sit . We all learn to breathe
13:10
shallow breaths , we forget
13:12
how to use our diaphragm and
13:15
we develop bad habits around
13:17
breathing . Develop bad habits
13:20
around breathing . Thirdly
13:22
, because we're not moving
13:24
very much our hips
13:26
and shoulders , which are mobile
13:29
joints , mobile
13:33
structures , or at least intended to be . When we're not moving
13:35
very much during sitting , over
13:40
time , our hips and shoulders , our legs and arms become restricted within
13:43
these specific ranges and find
13:47
it more and more difficult to access other
13:49
positions . Sitting
13:55
changes our body and movement
13:57
in ways that directly
13:59
oppose our development . Sitting
14:01
is anti-developmental . It
14:04
makes our core weak and our
14:06
limbs stiff , setting
14:09
us up for trouble down the road , and
14:13
it also destroys our breathing patterns . Changes
14:17
brought on by sitting are steering
14:19
us away from the kind of movement that's
14:21
good for us , where our core
14:23
is strong , our limbs are free to move
14:26
and we breathe properly . However
14:30
, the biggest problems that sitting causes
14:32
actually come from how these
14:35
changes mess with the way we move overall
14:37
in general , and
14:39
this is what is causing the real issues . Our
14:43
bodies are built to move , not
14:46
sit still all the time . Staying
14:49
in one position for too long , like sitting
14:51
, can make us sore and stiff , painful
14:55
, uncomfortable , rigid , because
14:59
it's not what our bodies are meant
15:01
to do , designed to do . Feeling
15:04
uncomfortable , becoming weak and disconnected
15:06
, and breathing poorly from
15:09
sitting too much is just the start
15:11
. If we keep it up
15:13
, putting
15:15
our bodies in the same position day after
15:17
day can lead to long-term pain and
15:19
much more serious problems
15:21
. But
15:25
how does sitting cause back pain
15:27
? We've just discussed
15:29
sitting destroying our ability to support
15:32
our spine , sitting
15:34
destroying our breathing , and
15:36
sitting robbing our limbs
15:39
of movement , breathing and sitting
15:41
robbing our limbs of movement but we still
15:43
haven't looked at back pain . How
15:48
does sitting cause back pain when
15:51
our spine supporting muscles deteriorate ? Unfortunately , they don't
15:53
just land up doing a poor job while we
15:56
sit . These
16:00
changes also persist through the rest of our movement . Let's expand
16:03
on the consequences of each of the three
16:05
changes we just discussed or that I
16:07
just mentioned in the previous section . So
16:10
, firstly , while we are sitting , the
16:13
curves in our spine collapse to the end of
16:15
their range because we're not supporting our
16:17
spine . We become very passive in
16:20
the behavior of our spine . Then
16:23
, when we stand or do anything
16:26
else other than sitting , our
16:29
spinal curves are also going to collapse
16:31
to the end of their range , because
16:34
this is the habit . This is the level of
16:36
our ability to support our
16:38
spine . This is the
16:41
level of our ability to support our spine . This
16:46
is what contributes , then , to the paperclip-like bending back and forth and deterioration in the
16:48
joints of our spine . The second
16:51
point we discussed when
16:53
we lose our ability to breathe properly
16:55
while sitting , this
16:57
also extends into the
16:59
rest of our movements . Therefore
17:02
, we breathe poorly when we sit and
17:04
when we do everything else Plus
17:07
, we lose the coordination to breathe
17:10
and use our spine supporting muscles
17:12
at the same time . This forces
17:14
us between a rock and a hard place constantly
17:16
. Either we can try to stabilize
17:18
our spine or we can breathe
17:21
. Both of these
17:23
are critical functions we need all of the time
17:25
, and sitting puts
17:30
us in a position where we have to choose one
17:32
or the other , and we can do neither
17:34
of them very well . That's
17:37
a disaster . And
17:40
then , thirdly , the range of motion that we lose
17:42
in our limbs robs us of
17:44
uncountable options . We
17:48
lose a massive amount of positions
17:50
and patterns . These
17:52
restrictions , these losses
17:54
, force us to compensate
17:57
, to look for ways to make
17:59
up for what we have lost . And
18:02
, unfortunately , the easiest place to compensate
18:04
, the easiest way to create
18:07
a little bit more movement
18:09
, freedom for our limbs , is
18:12
to ask our spine for a little bit more
18:14
. This , of course , compounds
18:16
the stress that our spines must deal
18:19
with . So , yes
18:21
, sitting is a big part
18:23
of why our spines
18:25
are under so much excessive
18:28
stress and inadequate
18:30
recovery . If you consider what
18:32
sitting is doing to us and how we do it consistently
18:35
, continuously , both
18:37
, and then the implications of
18:40
sitting also extending
18:42
into the rest of our movement , it becomes
18:44
obvious it should become obvious
18:46
how we then don't ever get a rest
18:48
, a recovery , a
18:51
quality recovery from these implications
18:53
of sitting . So
18:56
the stress is excessive and the
18:58
recovery is non-existent
19:02
, and
19:04
this leads to a domino effect
19:06
of movement issues and pain
19:08
. Losing our ability to
19:10
support our own spine causes it to
19:12
flop and bend back
19:15
and forth like a paper clip . Losing
19:19
our ability to breathe robs us of the
19:21
ability to stabilize our spine
19:23
and breathe simultaneously . Critical
19:26
functions we need all the time , and
19:30
losing range of motion in our limbs forces
19:32
us to compensate more with our spine
19:34
. In other
19:36
words , sitting destroys our movement and
19:39
, in turn , our damaged movement
19:41
destroys our spine . This
19:43
is a first order and then
19:45
second order consequence of sitting
19:48
, something that I believe
19:52
that I see is completely overlooked
19:55
, because sitting does not directly cause
19:57
back pain . We
20:00
under appreciate the role of sitting
20:02
in back pain , but sitting directly
20:04
destroys our movement and
20:06
our poor movement directly destroys
20:08
our spine . So
20:12
how do we tackle this issue ? What
20:15
do we do ? Realizing
20:18
that sitting is at the heart of
20:20
our back pain means that we've got to reduce
20:22
or get rid of as much
20:24
of it as possible . Back
20:27
pain is closely related
20:29
mimics
20:31
, the diseases of modern western
20:34
food diets like diabetes
20:36
, heart disease , alzheimer's
20:38
, etc . Sitting
20:41
is the product , or
20:43
is a product , of
20:45
our modern western movement diet . We
20:49
need to reduce our intake
20:51
of this toxic nutrient and
20:54
we need to find ways to incorporate other
20:56
, more nourishing
20:58
movement nutrients . There
21:02
are a few ways we can start to make changes
21:05
right now . Be
21:08
honest with yourself about
21:10
how much you're sitting and
21:13
start to look for opportunities to
21:15
stand up or
21:17
to walk instead in as
21:19
many opportunities
21:21
as you can . If
21:24
the option is there , take it . If
21:29
you can sit on the floor , watch
21:31
how many times you'll change positions
21:34
. This is natural . This
21:36
is healthy . This is movement
21:38
. Pay
21:41
attention to your posture . Start
21:44
paying attention to your posture . Start paying attention to
21:46
your spinal posture . Improving
21:52
how we sit takes a lot of awareness and
21:55
effort because
21:58
we're so used to sitting in a completely
22:01
detached , unaware
22:04
and disengaged way , and
22:09
you also need to think about how often
22:11
you bend your spine in ways that don't
22:14
promote its health . Try
22:16
to keep your spine in a more natural
22:19
and neutral position as much
22:21
as you can . This
22:23
will make a difference , but
22:28
it's not enough to fix what we're doing right
22:30
now . It would be nice if
22:34
somehow stopping sitting now
22:36
made
22:38
up for a lifetime of sitting , but
22:41
it's not . We also have to
22:43
deal with how sitting has
22:45
shaped us over our
22:47
entire life . To
22:50
get our movement back on track , we
22:53
also need to start doing things that unravel
22:56
the effects of a lifetime of sitting
22:58
too much . By
23:10
addressing our current sitting habits , though , we can powerfully
23:12
reduce its effect on us going forward , but then by doing
23:14
something which reverses the accumulated
23:17
effects from our lifetime of sitting
23:19
, we can completely overhaul
23:21
our spine and
23:23
movement . This
23:26
is what we will be packing next
23:30
. We're going to go into these two
23:32
strategies more
23:34
comprehensively . Thank
23:40
you for sticking it out with me to
23:42
the end of this episode . It probably means
23:44
that you found something here that spoke to you
23:46
. If it did hit the mark , don't stop
23:49
now . There's a lot more where that came from
23:51
. If you are
23:53
ready to dive in a bit deeper , pop
23:55
over to craigvanncom
23:57
and check out the Kinetic
23:59
Keystone course . It's
24:02
on the house totally free . This episode
24:04
forms a part of that Kinetic Keystone course . It's on the house totally free . This episode forms a part of that
24:06
kinetic keystone project , and
24:10
if you've got someone in mind who
24:12
could really use this information , or
24:14
maybe someone who just needs a little nudge to give
24:16
it a listen , go ahead and pass
24:18
it along . It's a simple and easy
24:20
way to make a difference today . And
24:25
just so you know , I share
24:27
these discussions through both video
24:29
on YouTube and audio only on
24:31
my podcast , the Craig Van Cast
24:34
. So
24:36
whether you're into watching or listening , or
24:38
both , I've got you covered .
Podchaser is the ultimate destination for podcast data, search, and discovery. Learn More