On the thirteenth episode of The Constitutionalist, Shane Leary and Dr. Benjamin Kleinerman are joined by Dr. Charles U. Zug, The Kinder Assistant Professor of Constitutional Democracy and Assistant Professor of Political Science in the Truman School of Government and Public Affairs at University of Missouri, and Dr. Thomas Bell, Assistant Professor of Political Science at Knox College. They discuss the controversial Colorado Supreme Court decision which compels us to interpret the 14th amendment and face the "Trump question" head on.

The Constitutionalist is a podcast cohosted by Professor Benjamin Kleinerman, the RW Morrison Professor of Political Science at Baylor University and Founder and Editor of The Constitutionalist Blog, and his student, Shane Leary. Each week, they discuss political news in light of its constitutional implications, and explore a unique constitutional topic, ranging from the thoughts and experiences of America's founders and statesmen, historical episodes, and the broader philosophic ideas that influence the American experiment in government.