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2:09

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2:12

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he came over to me,

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dude he slithered over to me. And

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this giant comes

2:27

out of the cave and they're all frozen.

2:31

And he starts running and firing

2:33

at this giant. But the giant moves,

2:35

he's got a spear in

2:37

one hand and he's running really fast. And

2:40

spears, Dan, holds him up like this. Somebody

2:42

else, shoot him in the face, shoot him

2:45

in the face. They basically decapitate

2:47

him. We got cob

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speaking of join, I have people joining

4:14

me in the studio today. Fellas, how

4:16

are you? Good. Good, how

4:18

are you? I'm doing great. I got the fantastic

4:21

trio here. We got Justin, Ryan, and Lance. I

4:23

got that right. It just came out of me.

4:25

I couldn't remember these guys names all morning long.

4:28

And here it is. It's go time. I'm not

4:30

coming on the clutch. That's

4:32

it. So you guys

4:34

host the podcast, Appalachia,

4:37

Appalachia, Appalachian Intelligence. One of the three, we've

4:39

been trying to discuss it. You all have

4:41

different opinions on what the actual name of

4:43

your podcast is. Well, it's for sure 100%

4:46

Appalachia. Absolutely.

4:49

Appalachia, Appalachia. That's the way it's

4:51

spelled. I love this. You

4:54

guys have a podcast and how long has it

4:56

been out? A year today. A year today. A

4:58

year today. And you still can't figure out what it's

5:01

called. Well, we figured it out. We keep Ryan. He

5:03

won't come on board with this. Apparently, I'm the only one

5:05

who doesn't know what it's called. And

5:07

Ryan, where are you from? I'm

5:10

from the same area as them. I've

5:12

just pronounced it differently. He spent a

5:14

lot of time around Pittsburgh, okay? So

5:16

there's enough of that north

5:19

of the Mason-Dixon. But yeah.

5:22

Yeah, so when I was- Like if I want

5:24

to, I can get rid of my Southern accent.

5:26

Just because- Really? As I was up there, and

5:29

I'm living just south of Pittsburgh and

5:31

you're getting made fun of all the time for

5:33

asking for more bro lights, not lights. You

5:37

know, you learn how to disguise

5:39

some things. So, all right. So

5:42

if you can get rid of your accent, then

5:44

I should be allowed to have an accent

5:47

if I want one. Absolutely. Absolutely. Welcome to

5:49

the show. That's, hold on a second, God.

5:52

I can't do it on demand. It was close though.

5:54

It wasn't? It was close, yeah. I usually got to

5:56

start out with something like, how y'all doing? And then

5:58

we just kind of drag it out from there. I'm

6:00

becoming infamous of leaving people

6:02

with voicemails with just a

6:04

Southern accent. Like

6:07

Scott over at Freaky Dinky Podcast, he lives

6:09

in Alaska. And so sometimes when I'm pulling

6:11

a late night here and I'm driving home

6:14

at like midnight, it's six o'clock his time

6:16

in the evening. So I'll call him and

6:19

he'll answer the phone and I'll just start talking to him

6:21

like in the Southern accent. We'll have like a whole conversation

6:23

just a Southern accent. He's like, you're crazy.

6:26

I'm like, I know. I know. It's just,

6:28

you got to draw the syllables out a little longer

6:30

and just, it's just a little

6:33

twang. A little twang. Just imagine that twang

6:35

rolling off of your tongue and that's it.

6:37

Yeah. And don't pronounce half the consonants. That's

6:40

true. Like you just did. Yeah, that's it. That

6:42

was perfect. That was perfect example.

6:45

Like we start out and you can just

6:47

try this. We call our audience the heel

6:49

folk. We start

6:51

out, hey there, heel folk. Just

6:53

try it. Hey there, heel folk.

6:55

That was it. That was nice.

6:57

Yeah. That was it. All right. You

7:00

are labeled Appalachian right there.

7:02

Appalachian. That was it again. You got

7:04

it. Welcome to East Tennessee. I'm

7:07

Tennessee Tony. And we're here

7:09

to talk about Appalachia bull crap. Yeah,

7:11

that's pretty good. Here we go. So

7:15

speaking of Appalachia bull crap, you

7:17

guys got some bull crap to bring to the table

7:19

today. Absolutely. We do. We do. So

7:22

like, let's just kind of like, I guess lay the

7:24

groundwork for people. Now, I'm just

7:28

going to let you guys know upfront here, when

7:30

you guys start talking, I might need to

7:32

leave the room and turn off this AC

7:34

unit because it is driving me nuts already.

7:36

And I just don't want to deal with the

7:39

post-production of it. So, which means I

7:41

might get warm in here and I might take off my

7:43

shirt instead of putting on the hoodie. It's totally fine. Hey,

7:45

Ron, Ron one time took his shirt off during

7:48

the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. The

7:50

guests started it. The guests started it. Was it

7:53

Bert Kreischer? No, it wasn't. We

7:55

did make that joke though. We

7:57

did make that joke. We actually had a guest that at

7:59

the end. Uh, Arthur Unke from the

8:01

Gray, he's the head writer of the

8:04

gray rooms podcast. One of my favorite

8:06

creepypasta broadcast. And that guy, he's

8:08

a genius, but he's a lot of

8:10

fun. He's just a fun guy. So,

8:13

um, you guys, you guys reached out to me, uh,

8:15

a while back and I just kind of want to

8:18

lay the groundwork as far as I can remember, uh,

8:21

you know, what's funny is that, uh,

8:23

Justin, I remember recently.

8:26

I think it was, I hit you up

8:28

on Instagram. And I'm like, are you the

8:30

guy that talked to me a while ago about something? And

8:32

like, I was like, I can't remember any of this crap.

8:34

And like, and it's like so many, so many people like,

8:37

they're like, yeah, I told you, I'm like, yeah, I don't

8:39

remember, you know, and like, you can probably attest to that

8:41

cause like, I remember I was reaching out to him like,

8:43

are you the guy with the rocks?

8:45

And then like, you're like, yeah.

8:49

And then I'm like, I just, it was, it

8:51

was a, it was a process getting here. But

8:54

you're here and, uh, you guys

8:56

have a pretty interesting story that kind

8:58

of leads into, uh, discovering,

9:01

um, some kind

9:03

of lost, um, uh,

9:07

information. Maybe is that, is that a good way to

9:09

say it? Yeah, that'd be a good way to play

9:11

a treasure in a sense. Yeah. Uh, so if you

9:13

want to just kind of, uh, how did this all

9:15

work for you? Because, uh, it's,

9:17

it's now like a pursuit of

9:19

yours is from what I understand. Uh,

9:21

this petroglyph stuff that you guys are

9:24

finding in West Virginia. Yeah. Well,

9:26

it's far Southwestern Virginia. Um,

9:29

we're right on the border with West Virginia. So you

9:31

can slide with that one. We

9:34

did, we started, you know, we've, we've started

9:36

this podcast, um, a year ago.

9:39

It was me and Ryan initially, uh, we, we

9:41

brought Lance on a few months later just because

9:43

he came on as a guest one time and

9:45

it just worked, you know, the whole trio thing

9:47

worked so good. Uh, and

9:49

then, you know, as, as, as well as

9:51

anybody, once you start talking to

9:53

people all the time and scheduling these interviews and

9:56

coming across so many people, you start getting all

9:58

this information. Yeah. Well, the good thing. What

12:00

are you talking about? Never heard of it before

12:02

in my entire life. I've lived there my whole

12:04

life. So he's like, yeah,

12:07

I was hunting up there a couple of years ago

12:09

and you know, a couple of people I'd heard talking

12:12

about this, this property that I hunt on. So I

12:14

got these pictures, he pulls up these pictures and starts

12:16

showing them to me. And I

12:18

was immediately intrigued. I was like, dude, we've,

12:20

we've got to go. We've got to go

12:22

check this out. You know, it's,

12:24

it's one thing to hear about this and not

12:27

know it was there your entire life. But

12:31

obviously as a lover of, of,

12:33

of the weird, of ancient history,

12:35

of, of all this different stuff,

12:38

you see petroglyphs in your hometown. It's

12:40

going to spark an interest. Yeah. So

12:42

we, you know, a couple of weeks went

12:45

by, we kept, you know, we're super busy

12:47

guys, uh, you know, we all work full

12:49

time. We all have big families. So it's

12:51

hard to get together and do anything really.

12:53

That's amazing. We even have a podcast, but

12:57

we got together one Sunday. It

12:59

was pouring the rain and we

13:01

just said, screw it. We're going. We,

13:04

we've put it off long enough. We got to go.

13:07

So me and Lance and Ryan and

13:09

mine and Ryan sons, we

13:11

all decided to go check

13:14

this rock out, you know, to see if

13:16

it looked as good in person as it did in pictures.

13:18

And we had no idea where we were going. We

13:21

were just following step by step

13:23

directions that this guy, Chris had give

13:25

had messaged me. So

13:27

we get up there. We

13:29

find the area that he said to stop

13:31

and start hiking from, um, again,

13:35

it's still pouring the rain. We

13:37

get down through there and we come up upon, and

13:39

it was one of those things like we knew it

13:42

before we ever even actually seen it, like

13:44

you get there to this point, you

13:46

look down and you see this cliff rock facing,

13:48

you know, like a drop off in front of

13:50

you and you're like, that's it.

13:52

You just, you know, that's it. The angels

13:55

are saying, and the lights are beaming down

13:57

on it. You know, you've

13:59

reached the promised land. We'll

26:01

be getting into that. It was just, I think

26:03

it came from Reddit. Right.

26:07

No, I think it was a geology forum. It

26:09

was an actual geological forum that Steve put it

26:11

on. I'm pretty sure. So,

26:13

um, let me, let me just,

26:15

uh, let's, let's take a few steps

26:17

back here. And so I can, I

26:19

can personally picture this better and also maybe for

26:21

the audience as well. Uh,

26:24

this rock, it w like what you

26:26

were talking about with the, the carvings

26:28

of the humans and stuff. Is it

26:30

on this rock? Yes. Okay. So it's,

26:32

uh, we're talking about one rock that

26:34

has all this stuff on it. Correct.

26:37

Okay. How big is this rock? I

26:40

would three or four feet probably. Yeah, probably

26:42

in length and length. Yeah. And then probably

26:44

another foot and a half to two feet

26:46

wide. Yeah. All right. So three or four

26:49

feet, uh, and it's one rock. How

26:51

much time have you spent up there? Oh,

26:53

just the one trip, just the one visit. Now

26:55

what we did find, what we did find it,

26:58

there was parts of some rock that

27:01

had fallen off and it was connected to.

27:05

And I think I

27:07

may already know where you're going with

27:09

this. Yeah. Yeah. But the

27:11

way that it's located, the way that

27:13

it's located, it's literally right on the

27:15

edge of a cliff. It's straight down

27:17

cliff after this. You think

27:19

that's the only rock up there with this on

27:22

it? We, while we were

27:24

up there, Ryan took a pretty big

27:26

circle. He walked down all

27:28

the way underneath the cliff, walked around the

27:30

bottom part of the cliff. Ryan, tell them

27:32

all the things. Yeah. I found like, um,

27:36

one of my trip fossils, but I didn't

27:38

find any carvings, um, on the

27:40

underneath side of it. So it actually

27:42

looks like two rocks from the top,

27:44

but it's one big rock. So it's

27:46

the rock face, but I guess every

27:48

time, uh, what's

27:51

that erosion or whatever? Cause

27:53

one of them carvings, the

27:55

little man would be from on

27:57

this rock that's between that gap.

28:01

But yeah, when I went below, I didn't

28:03

see any signs of any more carbon because

28:06

that's what I, that's, we thought the same

28:08

thing while we were there. Like, wonder how

28:10

far these go over. So let

28:12

me ask you a question. Uh, what are the chances

28:14

that this rock is just the surface rock of much

28:16

bigger, uh, structure that's

28:18

underground? Totally possible. Totally possible. See

28:21

the reason for our limited

28:23

time spent there is it

28:26

is personal property. And

28:28

it is. Did you sneak up there? It's leased. Well,

28:30

absolutely. It's the next time you're sneaking, let

28:32

me know. I

28:34

gotta return the favor you drove down here. I gotta

28:36

drive up. Yeah, absolutely. You sold me. It's

28:40

leased hunting property. So, you know, this time of

28:42

year you have hunters up there all year long,

28:44

you know, bow season comes in really early. Um,

28:47

and again, it's one of those things like you

28:50

try to go up there and not catch

28:52

anybody else there or to not

28:54

disturb, you know, hunters or all that stuff. So again,

28:57

you know, it's hard for us all three

28:59

to, to get together. This needs to be

29:01

priority guys. I'm telling you right now, don't

29:03

worry about your families. Don't worry about the

29:05

lives. Don't worry about holidays. This needs to

29:07

be priority. Number one, get your butts back

29:09

up there and do some digging. Okay.

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last year. It was

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31:10

that reptilians exist in,

31:12

in Pennsylvania. And that

31:14

I need to look for a rock

31:17

structure that looks like a head of

31:19

a dragon. And that around that

31:21

structure is where the opening is to

31:23

the underworld, essentially. And I

31:25

was like, cool, let's go. I

31:27

took me and my friend

31:32

Edward, who's an awesome guy, by the way,

31:35

great cameraman. And

31:38

we went on this journey for an entire

31:40

day. And we found this structure out in

31:42

the middle of the woods. And

31:44

before I got up there, I called locals

31:46

and I was calling that, I

31:49

called a taxidermist that wasn't far from this area. And

31:51

I'm just asking them questions like, I don't know what

31:53

you're talking about. I'm like, yeah, I'm a little, I'm

31:55

a little stupid. So, you know, you're probably right. And

31:57

I just kept the real low key. And

32:00

I get up there and I find

32:02

this and sure enough, there's this rock,

32:05

gigantic rock wall, gigantic

32:07

rock wall. And

32:10

the end of it, the first thing I see,

32:12

it looks like a serpent head. Wow. And

32:15

I'm talking like there are parts of this wall

32:17

that are over a hundred feet high. And

32:20

it's out in the middle of the woods. And

32:23

I got the footage on a hard drive somewhere around here.

32:25

I never made it a video, mainly

32:27

because I hate doing video editing. So I'm just like,

32:29

well, I had the experience and sucks

32:31

to be you, the rest of the world. You're just gonna have to

32:33

hear me tell the story because I don't feel like making a video.

32:35

Maybe one day I will or I'll hire somebody to do it. That's

32:38

actually a good idea. I should do that anyways. So

32:42

we spent an entire day up there. And

32:44

I mean, I caught EVPs on, so

32:46

I was going over some of the footage with

32:49

my dad where it was dark out. Me and

32:51

Ed were hiking this rock wall back at

32:53

night. And at one point I stopped because we

32:55

were buzzed by military helicopters while we were up

32:58

there. It was really interesting. And so

33:01

while we stopped and we were looking and there was this

33:03

light that came off the hill and it was going down

33:05

in the valley. And after that incident

33:07

ended, I looked at him, I said, you

33:09

ready to go? And he's like, yeah. And he has a strong

33:11

Southern Costa Rican accent.

33:14

Like it's from South America.

33:16

So like, it's not

33:18

hard to know who's talking. And

33:21

he said, yeah. And as I start

33:23

walking, you hear somebody, something

33:25

whispered in the mic, okay. It

33:28

sounded like a female voice. And

33:31

then later that night, and we didn't know that at the time, I

33:34

found that out later when I was reviewing the footage. But

33:37

later that night, we got to that

33:39

serpent head again and we're just sitting there

33:41

and it was like late. I mean, it was dark out. We're

33:44

in the middle of the woods. It's completely dark. And

33:47

I thought I heard a little girl

33:49

talking and off in the distance. And

33:51

like, mind you, we were out there for 12, 14 hours. I

33:55

was exhausted. And when you're out

33:57

there that long, you kind of, and especially when

33:59

we were already winding. turning down, like we were

34:01

ready to pack up and get out and just

34:03

go home. So like I was

34:05

like investigative mindset was done. So

34:08

I hear this and the little

34:10

girl was like, I couldn't understand what

34:12

she was saying. It was just like a little, I was

34:14

just like, what the freak was that? And

34:19

he heard it or no, he didn't hear it. And

34:22

I didn't go investigate it. And it's

34:24

one of my biggest regrets is that I didn't tell

34:26

him to turn on his camera again and go investigate

34:29

that because it sounded like it was maybe like 50

34:31

feet away from us. And I didn't

34:33

know that I had that EVP of the little girl or some

34:36

female voice. Anyways,

34:38

long story short, let me bring this back around.

34:41

This rock wall, it

34:44

went for at least a half mile and it was

34:47

very broken. And

34:51

there are people who say that it's natural. And

34:55

some parts of it, I'm like, I don't know how

34:57

this is natural because there were broken parts

34:59

of it that were completely

35:02

rectangle and squared off. Like they

35:04

were like bricks, like

35:06

long, like six, seven, eight foot

35:08

long blocks of rock.

35:11

And it looked like it was a wall that fell over

35:13

at one time, but it was constructed. And

35:16

then you had that serpent head that looks intentionally made

35:18

and all this stuff. It

35:22

goes like a half a mile, but

35:24

as you keep going, it's very clear

35:26

that it fades into the ground. And

35:29

I always wonder, I'm like, how big is

35:31

this thing really? And

35:34

am I just seeing like, like, imagine if

35:36

I'm standing at this serpent head

35:39

looking thing, this hundred foot wall and all

35:41

this stuff. And this is just like the

35:43

top of the giant temple that

35:45

I'm standing on. Like that's like, you know, like

35:47

it's the tip of the ass. And so I

35:49

bring it all back to what you've got and

35:52

stuff. I mean, this rock, I mean, you guys

35:54

were there, you know what

35:56

the area looked like. Is it possible that you think

35:58

that, like, could this be just just like the very

36:01

tip of the roof of something that's even

36:03

bigger. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, the way

36:05

that it could go back into the mountainside,

36:08

it could go forever. For

36:10

people to understand, Appalachian, Appalachia,

36:12

Appalachian, whatever it is, by

36:15

the way, again, you guys are from

36:18

the Appalachia, Appalachian, Appalachian

36:21

Intelligence Podcast, figure it out from there. Yes.

36:24

Links are in the description. And that's a total oxymoron,

36:26

just so you know. So

36:29

people have to understand that these mountain ranges, like

36:31

the Smokies here and stuff, these are

36:33

some of the oldest mountains in the world. There's

36:35

a reason why they don't look like the mountains on the

36:38

West Coast is because the mountains on the West Coast haven't

36:40

been around as long as these. And

36:42

so the ancient aspect

36:44

of these mountains and

36:46

the stories that are left untold are

36:49

very vast. And I

36:51

think that what you

36:53

guys are stumbling on here, what you're telling us

36:55

about, and what Ward

36:58

and Sord and staff guys are doing,

37:01

and me, obviously, by

37:03

proxy, we're

37:05

exploring the ancient aspect of

37:07

our backyard. Yeah, absolutely.

37:09

And it's really interesting. It is really

37:12

interesting because, I mean, you have no

37:14

idea, like what you're talking about

37:16

right there, to me,

37:18

in all my weirdness, that's a

37:20

moon-eyed people civilization. This giant rock

37:22

wall that they built but

37:26

we have no idea. We

37:28

think that there's a reason the natives are

37:30

called the natives. They're supposed to be the

37:32

first. But you have so many

37:34

of these Native American tribes that'll say, when

37:37

we got here, there

37:39

were these six-fingered red-headed giants that

37:41

had already built this place up and all

37:44

these different things. So, I mean, we have

37:46

no idea. Other tribes say, well,

37:48

there were these really

37:50

tall, pale, big-headed, big-eyed

37:52

people that they

37:54

call the moon-eyed people. It's interesting

37:56

to explore who was

37:58

there. And we definitely, I definitely

38:00

intend to go back. I've actually

38:03

told Ryan a couple times and

38:05

yeah, you're coming along Tony, you're coming along. I'm

38:07

there. I'll save the gas money. And

38:10

I've got a, I've got a date scheduled to

38:12

meet and talk with the guy that's actually the

38:14

property owner. So maybe that'll open up more things

38:16

because he, I'm just, you know, it's there. Yeah.

38:19

I've learned that he spent decades asking questions and

38:22

asking them, but it was an age before the

38:24

internet. So this is right up his alley. Oh

38:26

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He loves it. He actually loves

38:28

it so much that he contacted, I

38:31

guess the closest Cherokee native tribe

38:34

and Ryan, Ryan

38:36

loves this one, but he got

38:38

a tribal elder to come up

38:41

and asked if he knew what it was. So

38:44

this tribal elder hocks up

38:46

there to this rock with him, walks out

38:48

to it, asked him if he can be

38:50

alone with it for a few moments. Like I said, yeah, you

38:52

know, take your time, do what you need to do. Well,

38:55

the elder sits down on the rock, traces

38:58

out some of the carvings, goes

39:00

into this meditative

39:02

trance-like state, stands

39:05

back up, turns around, walks

39:07

out of there, doesn't say a word, leaves,

39:10

doesn't say a word to anybody about anything.

39:14

Oh, well that's interesting. Yeah. That's what I think.

39:17

Or the greatest prank animal.

39:19

Like he got us talking

39:21

about it. Sitting around and

39:23

somebody's like, hey, I need you to come look at

39:25

this. This looks like something your people would do. Like,

39:27

you know what? All right. I'm

39:30

just gonna do a little few hand motions here, jazz

39:35

hands, and

39:37

then walk away and not say a word. It

39:44

would be the greatest prank animal. It would be the

39:46

greatest prank animal. It's what I would do. It's

39:50

something I would do. Like,

39:55

oh, you want to stay over time. Okay. I'm

39:59

gonna give you a story to tell. I'm actually

40:01

hoping that's what

40:03

happened. That's my

40:05

favorite. See now

40:08

I know why they got

40:22

you on the podcast. That's funny.

40:25

I'll say this where I forget looking

40:28

at the picture right

40:32

now. I'm sure you guys probably thought

40:35

about this, but it

40:37

looks like like imagine if

40:39

if this was and I'm not saying this is

40:41

or isn't what it is. I don't really have

40:43

an opinion. But imagine

40:45

if this was some kind of

40:47

sacrifice joint and those

40:49

those channels were for the blood to run

40:52

through. That's exactly what we actually poured water

40:54

on. Just kind of see what would happen.

40:57

We had a couple bottles with us. Let's

40:59

just see where the water goes. If we

41:01

pour it on here, maybe it will lead

41:03

to something and hey, maybe unlock some huge

41:05

chamber. We got Indiana Jones over here. Let's

41:07

try this and see. And we did pour

41:09

it and it did run down, but exactly

41:11

like you think it would. Nothing that was

41:13

anything that was peculiar. But didn't start glowing.

41:15

No, nothing like that. Well, it's because you

41:17

need blood. Yeah, that's what it was. And

41:19

we actually said that we actually mentioned which

41:21

one of us three is going to be the sacrifice here

41:23

just to cut. No, I found another one. I found

41:25

an okay. I've been telling this guy at work that we're

41:28

going to have to use him as a sacrifice because he's

41:30

a ginger like me and I told him that the ancient

41:32

gods need ginger blood. He's willing

41:34

to put it down. Well, not really,

41:37

but he's not willing. I'm talking bigger

41:39

than him. So Ryan Ryan

41:41

shows up on mushrooms for the show, right?

41:43

So not all the time. Only twice. I've

41:46

only done that twice. Okay. Well, I mean,

41:48

it's enough to, to make it a habit.

41:52

And so next time just

41:54

slip him some mushrooms and he'll just be like,

41:57

okay, sure. You know, and that's the plan. Have

41:59

a contract. that he signs and make it all

42:01

legal, you know, like apparently it's really a popular

42:03

thing now where it's like you're allowed to medically

42:06

commit suicide in some of these countries. So, you

42:08

know, just say he's committing suicide for the cause.

42:10

And well, yeah, and maybe we just need

42:12

a little bit of blood. We might not have to kill

42:15

him. We're willing to do what we need to

42:17

do, though. For

42:19

science, for scientific purposes. Absolutely. So where

42:21

are we at in this story? Because

42:23

I know I know you guys, you

42:25

guys are uncovering information and stuff. Well,

42:28

this moves on and this is kind of

42:30

why we didn't spend as much time initially

42:32

with the rock. Because this hit and

42:34

it kind of obviously as you will

42:36

hear, kind of that's what we focused on. It went

42:38

nuts. So

42:40

Lance, you just you say with how

42:43

JW came in. Yeah. So we had

42:45

been corresponding witness. Well,

42:47

JW. That's pretty good. I hadn't

42:49

thought about that one yet. We came

42:52

to us to ask if we had a few moments

42:54

to talk about the kingdom. He's

42:56

like, no, but I got this rock. So

43:00

we were back in school now and

43:03

I teach with him and had known him for a long time. And

43:05

we were just talking back and forth about our summers, about different things going

43:07

on. And Justin,

43:10

not a week beforehand, had

43:12

sent me a PowerPoint presentation. A

43:15

guy had done on something called the

43:17

John Swift Silvermine. And

43:19

I had one of those things I had never heard of. And

43:22

within the pictures that this guy had on his

43:24

PowerPoint were some carvings that look similar to what

43:26

this rock was. Wasn't

43:29

identical, but you could see some similarities in it. JW

43:31

comes down and we're just having a

43:33

conversation about it. And I'm telling him about the

43:35

podcast and he's asking questions. And we eventually conversation

43:37

leads to, well, last week we went and saw

43:40

this rock. Here's some pictures. He's a historical guy,

43:42

camps a lot, goes a lot of places and

43:44

seen a lot of things. Ask

43:46

him questions, right? What do you think

43:48

about this picture? And he looked at it and said, well, I'm going to

43:50

tell you what. And so that's really peculiar. And then

43:52

I then led into, well, we've got some things

43:55

that are similar to this in this PowerPoint presentation

43:57

that this guy had made on the John.

43:59

with silver mine and I could see like a

44:01

twinkle in his eye. I get something I flipped

44:04

the switch. Now real

44:06

quick, the John Swift silver mine

44:08

is a, it's local legend, local

44:11

lore in our area, Eastern Kentucky,

44:13

Southern West Virginia, even Eastern

44:16

Tennessee that people

44:18

have been searching for this silver mine for as

44:21

long as probably two, 300 years. Absolutely.

44:24

Yeah. So he

44:26

asks me, um, well, well, as I'm

44:28

bringing this up, I say John

44:31

Swift silver mine, and I can see again, this

44:33

twinkle in his eye. Um, so

44:35

he lets me proceed to kind of just give

44:37

him all the information that I had on this

44:39

rock and on this John Swift silver mine. And

44:41

when I get done, uh, he

44:43

says, well, actually, um, funny that

44:45

you mention that I actually know

44:47

some things about the John Swift silver mine

44:49

and actually have done some searching for it

44:51

myself. I said, what? Known

44:54

this guy a long time. We'd never had this conversation

44:56

before. Um, so he then leads

44:58

into this story. That his dad was looking

45:00

to buy some property in Florida as a

45:03

vacation area to move down, um,

45:05

and the guy they were going to buy the property

45:07

of this Mr. Anderson, um, was going

45:09

to back and forth in communications and

45:11

JW had kind of taken over, uh,

45:13

the, um, negotiation with him because

45:15

his dad was getting a little bit older and

45:18

JW said that Mr. Anderson was a

45:20

centric and had a, a, a mine

45:22

that just went everywhere all the time

45:24

and would give just talk about everything,

45:26

high energy guy, but he was an older guy,

45:28

um, and in the process of them buying this

45:30

land, it was a couple of months process, obviously

45:33

they called down to kind of finalize the deal

45:35

and Mr. Anderson reached back out and said, you

45:37

know what? I sold it

45:39

to somebody else. Right. So they didn't

45:42

get this land. Now this land, uh, was

45:44

on the treasure coast there in Florida. Okay.

45:47

Um, and the guy JW says

45:49

that Mr. Anderson felt very, very bad about

45:51

it. So in response to that,

45:53

so let me tell you this, um, I have

45:55

some information, um, that you

45:57

may like to know and gave him. what

46:00

he thought were the coordinates of

46:02

this John Swift silver mine. Now,

46:05

that sounds crazy, right? Why would somebody do that

46:07

and why would we even think about going and

46:09

looking for it? JW had the

46:12

same questions. So he began

46:14

to kind of quiz this guy on

46:16

a variety of things. He

46:18

found out through talking to him that

46:20

Mr. Anderson made his fortune because he

46:22

found some of Blackbeard's

46:24

treasure on the Treasure Coast in Florida.

46:28

And then you can actually, JW,

46:30

there's an article that talks about Mr. Anderson,

46:32

him hit him and then a couple of

46:34

his guys went in and

46:36

dug this up and the government was

46:38

involved and it was a legitimate thing

46:40

that happened, right? And part of Christopher

46:42

Columbus' ship. And found some of Christopher

46:44

Columbus' ship as well. Okay, so

46:47

there's some legitimacy to what he

46:49

is saying, okay? He

46:51

then sends JW on

46:53

another treasure hunt, I guess to try to prove

46:55

that he knew what he was talking about. So

46:58

he sends him these coordinates to an

47:00

area that's just a little bit south

47:03

of Cincinnati, Ohio, and tells him that

47:05

I don't know the exact, like landowners

47:08

can't get all the legal deeds and

47:10

things that I need, but sends him

47:12

a map, X marks the spot, there's

47:14

gold here. Will you go investigate it

47:16

for me? What's anybody say? Absolutely,

47:18

right? Cincinnati is not that far from us, two and

47:20

a half, three hours. He said, I'm going to

47:22

go, he and his brother went, let's at least go check it out. This

47:25

guy had done all of this treasure hunting by dowsing,

47:27

right? And we know what dowsing is, the two rods,

47:29

and he would dowels on the maps and where the

47:31

point on the maps, he would X marks the spot

47:34

and that's how he found the gold. That's

47:36

interesting. Yes, it is, right? It's a completely interesting

47:38

thing, but that's what JW, now we've

47:40

never met the guy, the guy has since passed from

47:42

pancreatic cancer. He was older anyways, but these are the

47:44

stories and the information that JW has given us. Okay,

47:47

so they go to Cincinnati, roll

47:50

up on the courthouse of this kind of

47:52

small town outside of

47:54

Cincinnati and try to find the

47:56

deeds, the land, the landowners and get all the

47:58

legal stuff they need to at least go and

48:00

investigate and kind of see where this is at. They

48:03

get the information, get the landowners, and they drive

48:05

to this house kind of out where this farm

48:07

is at. And he and his

48:09

brother got through medical sectors, walk up and knock on

48:12

the door, and they wait

48:14

something. So they wait around and think, well, maybe they're

48:16

going to town to get something, whatever. Wait

48:18

around for 15, 20 minutes, 30 minutes,

48:20

an hour, nobody shows up. What

48:23

JW says, they didn't drive all this way to at

48:26

least not go look at where this X

48:28

marks the spot is. So

48:31

they hop the fence and head out to

48:33

where on the map X marks the spot,

48:35

brings down the metal detector

48:37

and gets a precious metal ping on

48:40

this mound on

48:42

this land. Okay. Calls

48:44

Don, tells Don, hey, this is what

48:46

happened, right? We've got this ping. We

48:48

can't find these people, can't follow up,

48:50

whatever. Leave,

48:52

they'd ever come back, further

48:55

investigates it more, right? Goes

48:58

again and calls around and finds out that

49:00

this precious metal

49:02

ping is actually on an

49:04

old Native American burial ground. So

49:07

they can't go in and bring it up

49:09

because of the legal laws or whatever it

49:11

is. Okay. So that gives

49:13

JW two instances now in which he's had this

49:15

guy tell him information, one where

49:18

he found the treasure in Florida.

49:20

He's got a second instance now where

49:22

there was definitely something precious there. So

49:25

that's two for two. He's hit. JW

49:27

then proceeds to tell him other places throughout the

49:29

East Coast where there's Civil War caches of gold,

49:31

where they used to take and throw the Civil

49:34

War gold down these outhouses and cover them up

49:36

so that people wouldn't find them. Okay. So

49:39

we have all this information that's hit. JW

49:42

then proceeds to tell me this

49:45

guy doused X marks the

49:47

spot on this swift of

49:49

silvermine. And

49:51

Mr. Anderson told JW on the numerous

49:54

conversations that they had, if

49:56

you can find this place, we're

49:58

talking billions of dollars in silver.

50:00

Okay, so we hear

50:02

that obviously, life's going on right now.

50:04

I'm taking down the information right as me notes as

50:06

I can as JW is telling me this story. And

50:09

I said, well, have you ever been up and

50:11

looked for this is that like, oh, yeah,

50:13

spend about 10 years me and my brother looking

50:16

for different kind of different times in

50:18

the in the winter. Now, where we're at

50:20

in Appalachian Mountains, you can't go in the spring

50:22

and summer, copperheads, rattlesnakes galore. So you go like

50:24

this time of the year where all that stuff's

50:26

gone, the leaves are off, it's just easier to

50:29

search for stuff. And he then gives me

50:31

all the pings of places along this mountain

50:33

that they've been to but not found anything.

50:36

Okay, so he gave

50:39

it to you. Yeah, we have all the I've

50:41

got it. Well JW right now he's in the

50:43

middle of with us. He's okay. Yeah,

50:45

he's right with the guy in the chair. All right. So

50:47

let me just before you go any further, I just got

50:49

I got to wrap my mind around this. JW

50:53

has been brought into the fold.

50:56

Right? And he's given you he's

50:58

he's sharing this information with you because he's

51:00

invested in in in

51:03

in this his treasure hunt that he

51:05

thinks might I'm assuming might be related

51:08

to this. Yes. Yes.

51:11

Okay. I love treasure hunting

51:14

stories, guys. He's JW is getting

51:16

older. So yeah, so he needs young legs.

51:18

He needs a mountain. He needs a mountain

51:20

on the ground. You're gonna have

51:22

to go up on a mountain to find it. Should have

51:24

brought him today. Should have brought him today. Should have brought

51:26

him with us. Yeah, we should have next time. Yeah, next

51:28

time. So there'll be more. He is he is like he'll

51:31

come down once a week, sometimes twice

51:33

a week, because in talk about

51:35

getting ready to go and planning the

51:37

trip together and just kind of think about all

51:39

the different things, more stuff he remembers and more

51:41

information he finds because he said he's not looked

51:43

for in probably five or six years, because he's

51:46

got too old and kind of just fell by

51:48

the wayside, but it was always there in the

51:50

back of his mind. We bring all this stuff

51:52

up and it all comes rushing back and kind

51:54

of reenergizes him and gets us all fired up

51:56

to go find this treasure. Okay. He

51:59

then just proceed. to tell me more and more

52:01

information that he has found and that Mr. Anderson

52:03

gave him as well about this

52:05

Swift silver mine. Now, this Swift silver mine,

52:07

as Justin alluded to, is a bit of

52:09

a local legend, right? And

52:11

people think that Pine Mountain,

52:14

which is one of the mountain faces there

52:16

where close to where we live, it's borderline

52:19

Virginia, Kentucky. There's been people that have been

52:21

looking up there for years trying

52:23

to find it. And you can YouTube

52:25

people who've found carvings and found stuff

52:27

and there's tons and tons of treasure

52:29

hunting forms, tons and tons of information

52:31

about people looking on Pine Mountain. Um,

52:33

cause that's just kind of the central

52:36

thought for most people of where this is at.

52:38

And there have been, there have been, um, coins

52:40

found. There's been a silver

52:44

bar found. There's been like

52:48

these singular items that have been found

52:50

that, that in this area. Yes. Yes.

52:54

Now where we think it's at, that

52:57

is not in that same area. Mr.

52:59

Anderson told us the dowels,

53:01

the X marks to spot,

53:04

not the same place. Wait, as this rock? No,

53:07

it's not the same place as the rock. No.

53:09

Okay. Nope. Nope. I'm trying to

53:11

tie the rock into this. All right. So that's

53:13

the thing that we've been doing too. Okay. All

53:15

right. The rock, I don't know if it

53:18

ties in at all. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. I just

53:21

know that it led to this flow of, this

53:24

rock started a conversation that led

53:26

to this flow of information from this

53:28

amateur treasure hunter who's talking to a

53:30

professional treasure hunter who has all of

53:33

this info and these maps and these

53:35

pings and these, all this stuff that's

53:38

just opened up this gigantic door

53:41

to us searching

53:43

for this long lost John Swift silver

53:45

mine. But there are carvings that are

53:47

similar to that that have been found

53:51

on Pine Mountain. Really? Yes. Is

53:53

this on Pine Mountain? No, that is not. That would

53:55

be in, no, it's not.

53:57

I don't, what mountain faces would that be? Um,

54:00

I have no idea the mountain range in

54:02

Hanks side, Virginia. You

54:04

do have a coal mine under it right there.

54:06

Yeah, you do. Uh, that, that

54:08

one actually blew up there. Didn't it? Oh, I see.

54:11

There's a coal mine underneath this. Yeah. Pretty

54:14

close. Pretty close. Pretty close. Runs

54:17

that direction and all that. And

54:19

there's another thing that we're looking at too, because,

54:21

uh, unpurified

54:24

silver just in

54:26

the mountain. Looks just like coal, baby.

54:28

Looks like colds black. Hmm. I

54:30

didn't know that. So you would actually have to have the

54:33

things that we didn't either. At first, you needed to have

54:35

an acid test to kind of put the onto

54:37

the rock to see if it

54:40

touched test positive. We've spent months

54:42

and months researching, looking

54:44

out logistically, you know, like

54:46

situations, if this happens, what do we

54:48

do? It what, I mean, like months

54:51

just waiting for the weather to turn cold

54:53

and leaves to fall off, we've been in

54:55

John Swift's journals or what's left of them,

54:58

you know, seeing what Swift wrote, you

55:00

know, where he was, where he spent his

55:02

time, how he came into, uh, the

55:06

continental us, like all of these different

55:09

things we've poured in to eventually

55:13

lead to getting boots on the ground, which

55:15

we're still waiting

55:17

to do, but we've got so

55:20

much information going into it. And

55:22

I feel like we've been

55:24

prepping for this huge game for weeks and

55:26

weeks, like several by weeks leading

55:29

up to this great big event that we

55:31

can really pour into based

55:33

on the information that we have. And it's been

55:35

unusually warm in our area. And like, it

55:38

wasn't that long ago that I still saw some snakes

55:40

out. Right. And, and I W like he tells the

55:42

story. He was up there in early

55:45

March, which you would think still cold

55:47

enough in our area that there wouldn't

55:49

be snakes. He was around a cliff

55:52

face and stuck his hand into a

55:54

rock and their set of copywriters looking at him because

55:56

moving slow, looking at him, he jerked his hand away

55:58

real quick and then lift, obviously. because you don't want

56:01

to be in this remote area and get bit by

56:03

a rattlesnake or a cobra. And the way that JW

56:05

talks about this location, you know, it's

56:07

super rugged terrain. Number one, like you're

56:09

scaling cliff faces. It's not just, you

56:11

know, you're walking, taking a nice little

56:13

hike through the forest. No, it's like

56:16

legit rock climbing. You're moving around cliff

56:18

faces. You're doing all these different things.

56:21

But he talks about these unusual boulders.

56:24

You know, we don't have boulders really in

56:26

our area. You know, you have some large

56:28

rocks and stuff with just these singular

56:31

boulders sitting around. You don't

56:34

really see that. It's not like out west, but

56:36

he talks about this place. There being boulders

56:39

in certain areas that

56:41

just don't look like they belong. And

56:44

here in JW talk about it, and

56:46

we've made this comment several times on

56:48

the show. It feels

56:50

like an Indiana Jones movie. I mean, I feel like

56:52

I'm listening to one. Yeah, that's how it feels like

56:54

going into this. I feel like there's going to be

56:57

some booby trap that I hear and darks are going

56:59

to be coming from the trees. Sure. It's going to

57:01

be rolling down the mountain side

57:03

of me. Yeah. Yeah. It probably

57:06

will happen. I want to be there for it. Yeah. This

57:09

is so cool. Sorry

57:11

to add to the mystery of this as well. Mr.

57:13

Anderson was in our area in the 70s. And

57:16

he, Mr. Anderson, he's the

57:18

guy that has he's he's the treasure hunter.

57:21

Got you. So he was in Florida, but

57:23

he was in our area in the 70s

57:25

and tells JW that up on that mountain

57:27

where we think this is at, there used

57:30

to be a natural stair step of rocks.

57:32

Okay. In this stair step of

57:34

rocks at the bottom of it was where

57:36

they had, according to legend, was where they

57:38

would smell the silver down and

57:41

make the coins. Had the press

57:43

there at everything. And that at

57:45

that staircase of rocks was a

57:48

entrance to the mine that there

57:50

was somewhere else, according to legend,

57:53

that another entrance as well elsewhere, which

57:55

brings us back to this rock where

57:57

you have two people on both

57:59

sides. of this bridge that they could use

58:01

this as a tunnel, right? So that's a bit

58:03

of a stretch, but in this story,

58:06

it kind of makes a little bit of sense. Now,

58:08

before you go on, when he was

58:10

here in the 70s, Mr. Anderson saw the

58:13

stair steps, went up to them,

58:16

and was going to try to get the

58:18

legal rights to go in and do some

58:21

excavating and to do some digging.

58:23

It's all national forest, and

58:25

it was a lot of loopholes in the 70s for

58:27

him to get to that. And that's why his

58:30

time, he's on here for a couple of weeks, whatever.

58:32

And that's why he never went further

58:34

with what he, he claims

58:36

he found it and saw the silver. He

58:39

says he saw the silver. Yes, he saw the

58:42

silver. And that's why he keeps them billions of

58:44

dollars in silver. He just couldn't get the legal

58:46

means necessary to go in and excavate it. Yeah,

58:50

I know it's a lot. This

58:53

is so exciting. So

58:55

you can see why we didn't spend so much

58:57

time on the rock. Yeah. I'm

59:00

looking at the rock right now. And I'm

59:04

starting to lose my voice again. I'm

59:06

getting over cold. And if

59:09

anybody's listening and they hear me smacking

59:11

around in the throat lodge, and I'm so

59:13

sorry, I got holes in my mouth. So

59:17

I'm looking so you can see my picture

59:19

here, Lance. So this is the bridge, right?

59:21

That's what you're talking about? That's correct. Yeah.

59:23

Yeah. Yeah. This

59:26

is really interesting. Have

59:29

you been able to, all right, let me, this staircase,

59:33

is this a natural staircase or was

59:35

it manmade? You think? Natural. Okay. He

59:37

said natural. It was natural. Okay. And

59:40

when he was telling that you were trying to signal something

59:42

to me, what were you trying to say? I was going

59:44

to, I was saying, look at the middle of that rock

59:47

carving, that bridge,

59:50

path, whatever

59:52

tunnel could also be a

59:54

staircase. And you have

59:56

in the carving, you have

59:58

a little guy on on top and a little

1:00:01

guy on the bottom. And

1:00:03

you have what could be, you know, if there's

1:00:05

an upper and lower mine, which is what is

1:00:07

in all in John Swift's journals, you

1:00:10

know, Mr. Anderson believed and JW believes.

1:00:12

Now, a lot of legend says that one

1:00:15

of these mines is local to us and

1:00:17

one of them is around the Red River

1:00:19

Gorge area. To me, that doesn't

1:00:21

make any sense. Why in the

1:00:23

1780s would you have two mines

1:00:25

that you're trying to transport things

1:00:28

back and forth hundreds of miles

1:00:30

apart? That doesn't make any

1:00:32

sense to me, especially when you have

1:00:34

natives, which I plants may get into, trying

1:00:37

to swipe this

1:00:40

silver, trying to get

1:00:42

the jump on these

1:00:44

transports, grab all the

1:00:46

silver, and that's how they're making their living. So

1:00:49

if you had a situation where you had like

1:00:51

a upper mine, where the actual

1:00:53

mining is going on and

1:00:56

a lower smelting area

1:00:59

to smelt all this down and turn

1:01:01

it into currency, it

1:01:03

would make sense for there to be something

1:01:05

natural and something close in

1:01:07

proximity to be able to work this out.

1:01:11

This is so much to take in. Yeah, yeah.

1:01:13

This is so much to take in. Now,

1:01:15

my theory on the rock, if it has

1:01:17

nothing to do with the treasure, is that

1:01:19

there's spots in the Mammoth Cave system throughout

1:01:21

where you can come in and out and

1:01:24

possibly these were maps to guide you through

1:01:26

that. Well, you

1:01:28

say that, and I know like

1:01:30

you're just throwing it out there as a

1:01:32

theory, but in one of Swift's

1:01:35

journals or in his journals, an entry in his

1:01:37

journal, he talked about riding

1:01:40

and working with this guy, and

1:01:43

this guy was describing a local

1:01:45

mountain in our area called Pound Gap and

1:01:49

said that the natives used it, said

1:01:51

that this mountain was like a honeycomb,

1:01:54

said there was nothing but tunnels

1:01:56

that went, that there was entrances

1:01:58

everywhere, exits everywhere. and that

1:02:02

walking into the mountain, you

1:02:05

could hear the horse

1:02:07

beats, the hooves of horses

1:02:09

overhead going around on roads. So,

1:02:12

you know, there's a lot of legend and different

1:02:15

things that have happened, you know, and local legend

1:02:18

that it's like, okay, we've had natives get from here to

1:02:20

here really, really fast and we don't know how. Well,

1:02:22

that's one of the theories is that there

1:02:25

were tunnels and all of these mountains,

1:02:28

and that's what they utilize to give place

1:02:30

to place. And that's, I don't think that's

1:02:32

inconceivable. I think that's very, a very logical

1:02:34

possibility. Man.

1:02:38

So, do you

1:02:42

guys, what's your sense on this rock as far

1:02:44

as age goes? I

1:02:47

have no idea. No idea. None. Really,

1:02:50

really old. So like this

1:02:53

treasure story, how

1:02:55

old of a legend is this story? A couple of hundred

1:02:57

years or? This legend, Swift

1:02:59

was operating in the 1780s, 1770s

1:03:02

and 1780s. He

1:03:04

came into what

1:03:06

was originally the Carolinas and

1:03:09

mingled with the Cherokee people there. Now

1:03:12

I have a theory. He

1:03:15

came into these and started mingling with the Cherokee

1:03:18

and he started getting these glimpses of

1:03:20

silver. Now this isn't

1:03:22

technically in all the journals, but

1:03:25

this is my theory. He

1:03:28

starts coming into these people and

1:03:30

sees this silver, sees them using

1:03:32

it and recognizes this as a

1:03:34

silver. Where did you guys get this? Well,

1:03:38

through information, just like we're doing

1:03:40

through information and talking to him

1:03:42

and maybe going and discovering this

1:03:44

rock, because also

1:03:49

in his journals, him talking about leaving

1:03:51

a cache of silver around

1:03:53

a peculiar looking rock, Southwest

1:03:56

from the headwaters of this

1:03:59

river. that I think I know

1:04:01

where he's talking about. And there

1:04:03

was this old beach tree, or no, he

1:04:05

don't say beach. He says an old tree

1:04:08

that him, a guy named

1:04:11

Monday and another man, put

1:04:13

their initials and accomplished

1:04:16

rose into the tree. I've

1:04:20

since talked to a guy that

1:04:23

built the well site. That's

1:04:25

500 yards from this

1:04:27

rock. And

1:04:30

he told me that when he built the

1:04:32

well site and was pushing, using an excavator

1:04:34

to push over the trees, and

1:04:36

this is before I told him anything about the rock,

1:04:38

anything about what we had found, nothing.

1:04:41

I don't even know if I'd came across it. He

1:04:44

tells me that he pushed over this big old

1:04:46

old beach tree, and

1:04:49

it has really weird carvings in it. You

1:04:52

know, some guys initials and what looked to

1:04:54

be something like accomplished rose. Oh

1:04:59

man. Now in the journals, in

1:05:02

the journals, this cache of silver that

1:05:05

was left near this peculiar looking

1:05:07

rock beside of this

1:05:09

beach tree and this Indian

1:05:11

grave was 25 to $30,000

1:05:14

worth of silver in

1:05:18

1780 something. 25

1:05:20

to $30,000 worth of silver back then is

1:05:23

what he left next to this rock. Yes. And

1:05:27

y'all haven't gone back up there? Well,

1:05:29

it's not as easy

1:05:31

as it sounds. That's why we have

1:05:33

to be. Yes, no,

1:05:35

you're absolutely right. I mean, listen, I'm

1:05:39

not a treasure hunter. I

1:05:41

just pretend to be one. No,

1:05:44

but there is a treasure that I'm

1:05:46

looking at possibly pursuing. And

1:05:49

by pursuing this treasure, I

1:05:51

have to get permission by

1:05:54

the property owner to excavate his property.

1:05:57

And that's the biggest challenge. which

1:06:00

my challenge is going to be more than

1:06:02

what you guys have before you, because there's

1:06:04

not much excavation in the

1:06:08

sense that you already have a specific location, you

1:06:10

know, like, um, I'm looking to

1:06:12

go dig where a river used to flow

1:06:14

for a ship that sunk

1:06:17

and now it's farm fields. And so like,

1:06:19

I like, like, like, mine is a lot

1:06:22

more, uh, the Eenie meenie mine right

1:06:24

here, I think, you know, um, but

1:06:27

this is, you got a very specific

1:06:30

location and it's, it's very, um,

1:06:33

it's very, you can just grab them. It's all right. Um,

1:06:37

Justin's grabbing the halls, making a bunch of noise.

1:06:39

Um, but,

1:06:42

uh, this is a very specific location and,

1:06:45

uh, and so it shouldn't be

1:06:47

too hard as far as that goes, the

1:06:50

excavation side of things, but, um, it's getting

1:06:52

the permission. Now you've talked to the landowner.

1:06:55

We're getting ready. We haven't talked to the landowner. I

1:06:57

have a date set to talk to the landowner. He's

1:06:59

really, he's a lot older guy and I've

1:07:02

tried to approach this as lightly

1:07:04

as possible. You have to

1:07:06

make sure that he will talk to us and

1:07:08

let us kind of look into what we

1:07:11

need to look into. So you

1:07:14

have a time like you've already like scheduled a ton

1:07:17

of talks with him. Yes. And,

1:07:19

um, he doesn't, does

1:07:21

he know that you've been on his property yet? Um,

1:07:24

probably because the way I was scheduling and

1:07:27

talking to him was through a family member

1:07:29

and the family member knows listens to the

1:07:31

show and was excited about coming

1:07:33

to us and saying, you need to talk

1:07:35

to this guy. So, so your

1:07:37

family member hooked you up with the owner. Yep.

1:07:40

That's cool. Wow. It's

1:07:44

a lot, you know, and it goes like kind

1:07:46

of leading onto my theory. I

1:07:48

feel like we're following in the footsteps of John

1:07:51

Swift. He had to find

1:07:53

this silver somehow, right? He had to

1:07:55

find the location of this mine to

1:07:58

operate out of. if

1:08:00

he came in, mingled with the

1:08:02

native peoples, came across this rock

1:08:04

and they could explain to him, hey, this

1:08:06

is what this means. This

1:08:08

is where it's located. This is what you need

1:08:10

to do. You

1:08:13

know, maybe, and I know that's a stretch trying to

1:08:15

bring this rock into it, but for me, it

1:08:18

just, it's

1:08:22

too close. Like everything just worked

1:08:25

way too smoothly

1:08:27

for this rock not to have something to

1:08:29

do with this treasure. That's

1:08:32

just my opinion. I feel like maybe

1:08:34

the same way. In all honesty, I kind

1:08:37

of hope that it's two separate things because

1:08:39

then you got two legends and treasures. I

1:08:41

would be totally cool with that. Yeah. Yeah.

1:08:43

Because it sounds like the silver, that

1:08:47

you're on the trail of something and like

1:08:50

ultimately, like it'd be really cool if this rock

1:08:52

was its own story and you haven't even touched

1:08:55

the surface of it. Yeah. And you know,

1:08:57

it could be, just like we talked earlier, ancient

1:09:00

peoples, they went to these high places.

1:09:02

That's where they communicated with their gods.

1:09:05

Sometimes Lance's brother

1:09:08

messages him one day. He's like, you

1:09:11

know, every time you see carvings like this on

1:09:13

ancient aliens, they're talking about the

1:09:15

natives done these circular patterns to represent

1:09:17

portals. What

1:09:19

if you do go up there? I knew

1:09:21

you'd do it. You know, I gotta

1:09:23

bring portals. You know, I

1:09:25

gotta bring, you have me at portals,

1:09:28

baby. Keep going. I

1:09:31

knew you were going to say portals. That's it. Why you keep looking

1:09:33

at me? That's a given Ron. You know, I'm going to say portals.

1:09:36

Carry on. So if there is a

1:09:38

chance, well, now

1:09:40

just something hit me. We find this treasure. We're

1:09:42

like getting super rich and then we find this

1:09:45

portal with this rock and fall into it. And

1:09:47

then there goes all my wealth and I'm just

1:09:49

like upside down with as long as you go

1:09:51

in first, I'll wait. I

1:09:53

was way richer on the other side, but

1:09:57

no, I hope it is too. Like I

1:09:59

hope it's too totally. separate adventures.

1:10:02

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1:10:07

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1:11:35

the location. We've got, you know, we're paying

1:11:38

in spots. Lance

1:11:40

has even been driving by and seeing

1:11:43

fog just creeping out of certain areas

1:11:45

of the mountain that says, huh, that's

1:11:47

probably an opening. JW,

1:11:49

he wouldn't of course start the weather, start turning, start,

1:11:52

started to turn cold. He

1:11:54

came down and was like driven

1:11:56

by the spot where things is at. So

1:11:58

if you notice the fall. is

1:12:00

like in the middle of the mountain and it looks like it's coming

1:12:03

up out of the mountain. I've never really

1:12:05

paid any attention before. He said next

1:12:07

morning where it's cool just drive

1:12:09

by and look. So I

1:12:11

did and about halfway up the mountain you

1:12:13

can see fog just flying out of the

1:12:15

middle of the mountain. He thinks it's because

1:12:17

that's where the mine is and that's where

1:12:20

the caverns at. Oh my

1:12:23

gosh. Yeah.

1:12:26

Yeah. Wow.

1:12:29

Wow. So that's

1:12:32

that's that's where we're at with this story,

1:12:34

huh? That's where we're at. I

1:12:36

mean, unless Lance was talking about Chief

1:12:38

Benji. There's a whole another historical part

1:12:40

of this where Chief Benji

1:12:42

was a local Native American Indian chief obviously

1:12:45

that was in our area and there was

1:12:47

actually a mile

1:12:49

marker you know those historical markers you have on the side

1:12:51

of the road. There was one that

1:12:53

had mentioned him just being in the area and

1:12:56

he was known to be a settler

1:12:58

looter. What he would do is he would come in

1:13:00

and find find the white

1:13:02

man and take their stuff and that's how they

1:13:05

kind of built his purse. He

1:13:07

was trying to get this

1:13:10

silver from John Swift

1:13:12

according to the legend and some of

1:13:14

the historical marker and the

1:13:16

thing that John Swift would do is he

1:13:18

would they would get the silver out and

1:13:20

send it down what is in our area

1:13:22

known as Lost Creek which is kind of

1:13:24

a hidden creek not river

1:13:27

not really creek coming between that kind of went

1:13:29

under the rocks and he would

1:13:31

send that down one way and send fake

1:13:33

ones on wagons the other

1:13:35

way and Chief Benji would

1:13:37

attack these fake ones and take whatever

1:13:39

John Swift had and they would come

1:13:41

back John Swift and then would come back

1:13:44

to where the actual other place was that where the silver was that

1:13:46

and that's how they got it out of there and

1:13:49

I thought that was interesting story

1:13:51

and JW says have you

1:13:53

ever seen the mile marker on the side of

1:13:55

the road? No next time you're back away stop

1:13:57

and look well I did and it's there Chief

1:13:59

Benji Cherokee he chief and

1:14:01

kind of goes through some history of him. Another guy

1:14:03

that I work with was over here in the conversation. He

1:14:05

comes in and listening there kind of quietly. And

1:14:08

after we get all done, he

1:14:10

looks at me and said, I'm

1:14:13

chief Benjy's seventh great grandson. Oh

1:14:16

man, this is like destiny. And I said,

1:14:18

what? He

1:14:20

was like, yeah, he's one of those guys that

1:14:22

does a lot of his ancestry, likes just likes

1:14:24

doing those things. And he brings over his print

1:14:26

out from ancestry.com and sent his trace. Wow. And

1:14:30

by marriage on his mother's side, he

1:14:32

is the seventh great grandson of chief

1:14:34

Benjy. And tells me that

1:14:36

his grandpa, that he can,

1:14:39

when he was younger, distinctly remembers him having

1:14:41

a purse of silver coins

1:14:43

that he kept on him. But

1:14:46

he hasn't been able to find them. Oh

1:14:49

my gosh. Wow.

1:14:52

Wow. Well,

1:14:55

sounds like you guys are just scratching

1:14:57

the surface of this amazing story. When

1:15:03

I was talking about earlier with

1:15:06

my journey in Pennsylvania, I want to clarify

1:15:08

that that, that where I was, was part

1:15:11

of the Appalachian mountain, Appalachia, Appalachian, whatever you

1:15:13

call it, mountains though. And

1:15:17

this is as well. And I just

1:15:19

wonder what kind of ancient

1:15:22

history and

1:15:24

lore is hidden there.

1:15:28

Like this, this is something that, so

1:15:32

what was his name? Scott Walter, the

1:15:34

guy on the history channel or something like that, that

1:15:36

had that, what was it called? America on earth or

1:15:38

something? Yeah, that was it. This is something

1:15:40

that I think he would be like jumping all

1:15:42

over for an episode, right? I don't know if he still

1:15:44

does that show. And quite frankly, I don't think you should

1:15:46

give it to him. This

1:15:48

is, I'm serious, this is yours. And

1:15:51

if you're gonna publish it on

1:15:53

any kind of form like that,

1:15:55

Merkle media is here. So hey

1:15:57

selfishly, screw history channel.

1:16:00

There's a reason we're here. But

1:16:03

like, this is something

1:16:05

that is really interesting.

1:16:08

If somebody came to you

1:16:10

guys and they're like, hey,

1:16:12

I'm an archeologist or

1:16:14

I'm somebody in the know, I

1:16:16

know this stuff. And they looked

1:16:20

at the rock and they're like, that's natural, what

1:16:22

would you say? I would say that I appreciate

1:16:24

your opinion. It's not my opinion,

1:16:26

I'm telling you I know. Well,

1:16:28

I appreciate what you think you know.

1:16:30

But piss off. No,

1:16:34

if somebody did come and say that it

1:16:36

was natural and it was legitimate, they could

1:16:39

show me why and explain why and relate

1:16:41

it to other things. Okay, so it's natural.

1:16:43

It's a really cool find regardless. And it's

1:16:45

a really cool find that however it wanted

1:16:48

to use itself, it led

1:16:50

us to a much bigger adventure into

1:16:53

looking for this John Swift silver treasure.

1:16:57

Just imagine if you found the treasure

1:16:59

and then you're writing a biography and this rock is

1:17:01

just a footnote in the story. Yeah, and that's all

1:17:04

it could be. That's all it

1:17:06

could be. And it was something that we thought

1:17:08

was so huge. And

1:17:11

that's a possibility. Somebody comes up and says,

1:17:13

oh, this is totally natural. And I

1:17:15

don't know how you naturally put like humanoid

1:17:18

looking carvings into two of

1:17:20

them actually. In any

1:17:22

of these pictures, are there humanoid figures in it? I

1:17:26

don't see what you're talking about when it comes to humanoid.

1:17:28

And I'll post these, if it's all right with you guys,

1:17:30

can I post these pictures? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so I'll post

1:17:32

these pictures on the website. You just did it to me

1:17:35

the other day. But so

1:17:37

this rock wall that I found in

1:17:39

Pennsylvania, they say is a natural formation.

1:17:41

They're saying that 300 million years ago

1:17:45

when the continents collided and all that stuff, it

1:17:47

pushed the bedrock up of the ocean and created

1:17:49

this wall. And it looks like

1:17:51

it could be some kind of composite rock

1:17:54

with pebbles and stuff. And so I could see the theory behind

1:17:56

it and stuff. But then

1:17:58

there's the aspect of there are things. about

1:18:00

that look like they're designed. Maybe

1:18:03

both can be true where

1:18:06

it is a natural formation that then

1:18:08

ancient people came along and designed on

1:18:11

top of. It's

1:18:13

a thought and a theory that I have been recently

1:18:17

exposed to when

1:18:19

it comes to the ancient people

1:18:21

with Egypt. So Graham talks

1:18:24

about, I think it's Graham, talks about

1:18:26

how the Egyptians

1:18:28

came into the area and the

1:18:30

pyramids already existed, the sphinx already

1:18:32

existed, and they built on top

1:18:34

of it. So the pharaoh head

1:18:36

for the sphinx is an addition

1:18:39

on top of something that was already

1:18:41

existing beforehand. And so with that rock

1:18:43

wall, maybe it was a natural formation

1:18:45

that they then used and they created

1:18:47

the snake head, the serpent head and

1:18:49

all that stuff. So

1:18:54

when I went up there, I told you that I

1:18:56

was told this legend of

1:18:58

this underground world and

1:19:00

there's an entrance near the serpent head. Well

1:19:03

it turns out while I was up there, this

1:19:05

father and daughter came hiking by and I

1:19:08

was talking to them about just, I

1:19:10

don't know if I told them what I was doing. I'm

1:19:12

pretty sure I didn't because everyone's scared away. I'm

1:19:15

like, yeah, I'm that crazy guy. Look for Bigfoot and

1:19:17

ancient aliens and we're looking for reptilians around here. Do

1:19:19

you got any leaves for us? I

1:19:22

got my six shooter. But

1:19:27

he offered this information. I remember, because I remember

1:19:29

looking at Ed, I'm like, oh

1:19:31

my gosh. He said that the

1:19:33

ground was hollow here. And

1:19:36

he said that there's old

1:19:38

mines riddled in this area and that we

1:19:40

should be careful because we could fall through.

1:19:44

And I looked at Ed, I'm like,

1:19:48

we might be at the location of this

1:19:50

legend. Whatever this legend is, whether it's true

1:19:52

or not, however it formed, we actually might

1:19:54

have found the location of where this legend

1:19:57

is speaking of. And

1:20:00

then it was dark out and

1:20:04

we're, mind you, we are out in the middle of the

1:20:07

woods, old mountain,

1:20:09

right? And it's dark out and

1:20:11

we just made a decision to

1:20:13

turn around and come back because we're at the point

1:20:15

now where we're hiking over these giant rocks and everything

1:20:17

in the complete black pitch dark. And

1:20:20

I'm like, I'm pretty sure I'm going to

1:20:22

kill myself. And so I was like, I think we need

1:20:24

to just call it quits. And

1:20:27

I turned around and I come

1:20:29

across a big pipe running

1:20:31

through the ground that's exposed. And

1:20:34

I was like, I stopped and I looked at it and it looks at

1:20:36

it. I'm like, is that what I think it

1:20:38

is? And he's like, yeah. And I was like, where's it

1:20:40

coming from? Where's it going? And he's like, in

1:20:42

his Southern accent, I don't know. And

1:20:46

if it's old minds though, it would make

1:20:48

sense. There's ventilation. But what I'm thinking is,

1:20:52

is it possible that these old minds that

1:20:54

were there, did they

1:20:56

again, utilize something that

1:20:58

already existed? Was the ground hollow?

1:21:00

And they use this

1:21:02

natural opening to jump

1:21:04

start the excavation of mining, probably

1:21:07

coal within that area, what they were doing. And so

1:21:09

there can be truths

1:21:14

and little truths in all of it. Oh yeah.

1:21:16

Together. And that's so

1:21:18

much fun to think about. And

1:21:21

so with this, it's

1:21:23

really interesting because you

1:21:26

were mentioning about the boulders and how in that area, you don't

1:21:28

really have a whole lot of big boulders. I

1:21:32

think there's a lot more in these areas than you

1:21:34

can even realize. I think that from

1:21:37

what I'm hearing around locally, there are parts

1:21:39

of these mountains down here that people

1:21:43

still haven't gone. Well, that's the thing.

1:21:45

The Appalachians, they're

1:21:47

so vast. There's so much

1:21:49

wilderness that has

1:21:51

hardly been explored or some parts have probably

1:21:53

never been explored. So you

1:21:55

have all of this wilderness that anything

1:21:58

could be learned. You

1:22:00

said this discovery or rediscovery that

1:22:02

you made of this wall and this urban, that

1:22:04

was last year, right? Yeah. So

1:22:06

that was last year, July,

1:22:09

we come across this, you

1:22:12

know, these cliff rock carvings. A

1:22:15

month ago, Josh and Richie and

1:22:17

all the, you know, the sword and staff

1:22:19

guys and all that rediscover this lost serpent

1:22:22

mound in Logan County, West Virginia. Yep. I

1:22:25

don't think that it's a coincidence. How far are you guys

1:22:27

from, how far is this from Logan? An hour and a

1:22:29

half. Really? Yeah. An

1:22:31

hour and a half, two hours is it? No. I

1:22:35

freaking love this. Listen,

1:22:37

these mountains held so many

1:22:40

secrets. It's the

1:22:42

dark and bloody ground. Exactly, the natives called it

1:22:44

dark and bloody ground. Why? Why

1:22:46

did they not settle here? Why did they just come

1:22:48

in and hunt and farm and,

1:22:52

you know, just come in seasonally? They

1:22:54

never really settled, settled. They called it

1:22:56

dark and bloody ground. Central Apple, like

1:22:58

why? What was here? What scared

1:23:00

them that they would call it dark and bloody?

1:23:02

Have you ventured into any, has

1:23:05

anything come across your path that

1:23:08

led you venturing into the idea

1:23:11

of giants and stuff? Nope.

1:23:15

I'm not asking Ryan, he's not believing in it. I'm not

1:23:17

a ryan-linging either. Ryan's like, you might as well just say

1:23:19

portals if you're gonna talk about giants. They came through. I'm

1:23:21

just, they came through. Well,

1:23:25

there are some, I actually heard former

1:23:28

guests of yours and Derek

1:23:32

Olson. No, he's coming up on Tuesday. He's gonna

1:23:34

be on again. Well, awesome. I love Derek Olson.

1:23:36

Love what he does. Love

1:23:38

listening to him speak. He was talking

1:23:40

about the Love Lock Cave giants

1:23:43

in Pyramid Lake in, I think

1:23:46

Nevada or Utah, close to there in

1:23:49

the Pyramid Lake petroglyphs. The

1:23:52

closest thing that I can find to these

1:23:55

petroglyphs that we've

1:23:57

come across are the Pyramid Lake.

1:24:00

Lake Petroglyphs and

1:24:02

the Judacola Rock Petroglyphs

1:24:05

in one of the Carolinas, I

1:24:07

think. Both of

1:24:09

those places have folklore

1:24:11

of giants, both places. And

1:24:14

they look similar to these? That's the most similar

1:24:16

thing that I can find out

1:24:18

there. As far as like the concentric circles, the

1:24:24

lines, whatever you wanna call them that are just

1:24:26

kind of weaving around the thing,

1:24:29

the closest thing that I can find, and they're still not really

1:24:33

close. It's just closer than anything else that I

1:24:35

can find. And with the

1:24:37

exception of the Woodburger, which is our version of Bigfoot,

1:24:39

we don't really have any giant

1:24:42

lore in our history that

1:24:44

I have ever read or seen

1:24:46

or heard talk about. We do in

1:24:48

the Carolinas. Right, as far as we're

1:24:50

at, Eastern Tennessee, the area. Man, you've

1:24:52

got some mounds. Yeah, the mounds in

1:24:54

Ohio and Adams County. What

1:24:56

we're focusing on, where we're at,

1:24:59

with this, there's not really anything

1:25:01

locally that says there may

1:25:03

be not yet. That's true.

1:25:05

I'll tell you. That's a great restaurant,

1:25:08

Woodburger, by the way. That's right. Good.

1:25:10

Not a sponsor. When you come down, actually. Not a

1:25:12

sponsor. Not yet.

1:25:16

Probably never. First

1:25:19

of all, I think that'd be really cool to

1:25:21

do a mega show where I have Sorted staff

1:25:23

guys in here as well, even Ward with you

1:25:25

guys, and we all really chop it up. I'm

1:25:28

gonna have to buy some more microphones, maybe even

1:25:30

different mixer boards, but I think that would be

1:25:32

something pretty cool. Nothing

1:25:37

about this rock to me screams giants,

1:25:39

but I just know that it seems

1:25:41

like the more I've done this stuff,

1:25:43

the more you look into things. If

1:25:46

somebody winds up saying something about giants, you're like,

1:25:48

oh, here we fricking go again. Let's

1:25:50

jump down to the giant portal hole and see

1:25:52

where it goes. It's just

1:25:54

the giants keep, and here's the thing. This

1:25:57

is such ancient area. I didn't realize.

1:26:00

how ancient these mountains were till I moved here and

1:26:02

started talking to people. It's

1:26:04

so ancient. What'd

1:26:07

you say the natives called this area

1:26:09

before? Dark and bloody ground. Dark and

1:26:11

bloody ground? No. I

1:26:13

mean, how would you describe this area?

1:26:15

There's giants roaming it, and every time you came across

1:26:17

one, they knocked you out

1:26:19

and ate you. Yeah, absolutely. Well, even

1:26:22

if it wasn't just giants, even if

1:26:24

it was another type of ancient people

1:26:26

that were here before them, what has

1:26:28

always been throughout human civilization, conquest

1:26:33

and murder and pillage and rape, and that's what

1:26:35

you do. Like when you come into a place,

1:26:38

as it's happened all through history, this is mine.

1:26:40

I'm gonna take it, and I'm gonna murder anybody

1:26:42

else who tries to stop me. So,

1:26:44

I mean, this could have

1:26:46

been an area that has been populated for

1:26:49

who knows how long. And it's just

1:26:52

been a constant. And in our folklore, there's

1:26:55

probably places in Europe that they call dark and

1:26:57

bloody ground from World War II. I

1:27:00

mean, it's just, it's something that is carried on

1:27:02

through generations. We

1:27:04

don't know what it's really based on, but

1:27:07

like we say all the time, where there's smoke, there's fire. I

1:27:10

believe with every myth, with every legend, there's

1:27:13

a seed of truth somewhere.

1:27:16

No matter how big or how small, there's

1:27:18

a seed of truth. And when you

1:27:20

start grasping those straws and

1:27:22

pulling the threads and bringing everything

1:27:24

together and actually taking the time

1:27:27

to look into and research and

1:27:29

look at these, like the

1:27:31

Swiss journals, you're

1:27:33

reading what this guy had to write at the

1:27:35

time that he was operating this. What clues are

1:27:38

there? What's he saying? What's he

1:27:40

mentioning? What's the markers that he's talking about? Find

1:27:43

the things, and that's the thing. People have been doing this

1:27:45

for hundreds of years. But

1:27:48

I feel like we have as

1:27:51

much or more information on

1:27:53

this treasure than anybody

1:27:56

that's come before us. And ain't nobody looking at what

1:27:58

we're looking at. And you guys never said, to

1:28:00

be treasure hunters. No, never. We

1:28:03

barely said how to be podcasters. That's

1:28:05

the way he definitely works. Very rarely do

1:28:08

you enter into podcasting like I do. From

1:28:11

day one, I'm like, I'm going to treat this like a business. I'm

1:28:13

going to work it like a job and one day it's going to

1:28:15

pay my car loan. And then it's

1:28:17

like, oh crap, it's my job. We

1:28:20

said, man, we're having all these really cool conversations.

1:28:22

Let's just sit down and record them, see what

1:28:24

it does. Yeah, that wasn't me. And

1:28:27

now we're treasure hunters. Yeah, that's amazing. And then

1:28:29

that's just the thing. Talking

1:28:32

about the sword and staff guys and Ward, all

1:28:35

throughout the things that they've been doing, it's ran

1:28:37

so parallel with some of the things that we're

1:28:39

coming across. We actually

1:28:41

talked with Josh and Richie a couple of weeks ago and

1:28:44

it was amazing. When we sat down really

1:28:47

after the recording was over, we

1:28:50

sat down and it was like, same things

1:28:52

just kept popping up. Same stories, same things that

1:28:54

we were like, okay, look, we've got to sit

1:28:57

down and hash some of these things out. That

1:28:59

had zero to do with what we're working on

1:29:01

here and a hundred percent to do with what

1:29:03

they're working on. Yeah, there's a boatload of stories

1:29:05

and information to uncover with this stuff. It

1:29:09

would be a very foolish move

1:29:11

to try to stay, to stay,

1:29:14

quote unquote, stay course on one

1:29:16

topic. Let it be

1:29:18

fluent and just let it flow whichever direction is going

1:29:20

to go. Just

1:29:22

keeping the trail

1:29:24

in grasp

1:29:26

where it's just like, okay, we start with

1:29:28

the rock. Right now, we went from the

1:29:31

rock to the silver. Now we're doing Lilith

1:29:33

hunting and Logan and all that

1:29:35

stuff. One day it's going to come back to the rock. I

1:29:37

swear guys, it's going to come back to the rock. Just

1:29:39

do whatever path it takes you, just go

1:29:42

and run with it and

1:29:44

see where it takes you. The

1:29:47

organic nature that it got you to this point is the

1:29:49

organic nature that's going to get you to where you need

1:29:51

to go. Yeah, absolutely. Speaking of Lilith

1:29:53

hunting. Hmm. Freaking

1:29:56

Lilith, man. I drove hard into some

1:29:58

research and the research. was

1:30:00

in my belief in going

1:30:02

back from the beginning,

1:30:06

but that all of the ancient

1:30:08

gods have been the same entities with

1:30:10

different names. So I was

1:30:12

going into all this research and doing this and

1:30:15

Lilith and Pan especially kept

1:30:17

popping up. That was the

1:30:20

two that I was trying to identify because it's the

1:30:22

two that's most commonly associated with our area. So

1:30:25

I'm identifying these, I'm going

1:30:27

hard in research for two

1:30:29

or three weeks. And I was

1:30:31

calling these guys and message them like, this is what

1:30:34

I'm finding, all this different stuff. They've got to reel

1:30:36

me back in a little bit and

1:30:38

some weird stuff starts happening. So I got to take a break.

1:30:42

Well, I'll start back up. What do you mean

1:30:44

weird stuff start happening? Like weird synchronicities. Like

1:30:46

I'm doing research, talking to Lance while I'm talking

1:30:48

to Lance, a tree branch actually falls in Dollywood

1:30:50

and hits my youngest kid in the head

1:30:52

while I'm talking to him. Could

1:30:54

be totally nothing. Probably totally nothing.

1:30:58

Maybe it was. So

1:31:01

these weird little synchronicities start happening.

1:31:04

I take a little break, come back to

1:31:07

it, two or three months later, I'm in

1:31:09

the hot tub one night and

1:31:11

I told

1:31:13

these guys at first, I think I might've dozed off, but

1:31:15

I don't think I, I don't know. Anyway,

1:31:17

I'm in the hot tub one night and

1:31:19

I'm looking toward my outbuilding that's directly

1:31:22

from me and this lady in

1:31:24

white, it's

1:31:27

just this rugged, ratty looking

1:31:29

white dress steps

1:31:32

out from behind my outbuilding,

1:31:35

makes eye contact with me. And

1:31:38

then I'm like, I got to get inside. Like

1:31:41

I'm out here half naked in the hot tub, in

1:31:43

the dark. And she's about to rush you. Yeah, she's

1:31:45

gonna get ready to bull rush me. I don't know

1:31:47

what she is, who she is. Bangs growing. So

1:31:50

I jump up, I'm putting the cover back on and

1:31:52

I was like, screw this, forget the cover. I'm just

1:31:54

getting in, so I throw my Crocs on, I'm getting

1:31:56

into the house. I look back over,

1:31:59

everything in my. My head screaming, do

1:32:01

not look back. I look

1:32:03

back over nothing there

1:32:06

except there's another building

1:32:08

right beside of it. And there was

1:32:10

an owl perched on top of

1:32:12

it. Really looking at wow. Yeah.

1:32:16

And the owl stuff, it's just been, it's been

1:32:18

nuts. So like we were talking to Josh and

1:32:20

Richie about some of it. I'm

1:32:22

a man, a local legend. And

1:32:24

we were talking to him. And

1:32:28

I think I'll fall to the other side of

1:32:30

the line where this is crazy. Like there's no

1:32:32

way. I don't even like the word

1:32:35

synchronicities. I don't. I don't talk about

1:32:37

on the podcast and it's not because I'm just completely

1:32:39

scared to get better at this thing. You

1:32:41

can, if you start looking for stuff, you're gonna start

1:32:43

seeing stuff and you can start correlating anything to anything.

1:32:46

Um, so he was bringing this stuff to me and

1:32:48

Ryan as well. And I was listening and I guess

1:32:50

I don't know. This maybe we're reaching

1:32:53

a little too far. Maybe you're trying to draw

1:32:55

too many connections with stuff. Well, we'd have

1:32:57

had a conversation a couple of weeks ago

1:32:59

and had a podcast, uh, recorded

1:33:01

an episode on Tuesday night. Uh, and my wife

1:33:03

and my kids are coming back over from church

1:33:05

on Wednesday. Um, and I go to church over

1:33:07

where these boys live at. So it's about a

1:33:10

45 minute drive. And as we're

1:33:12

coming back towards my house, um, in an area

1:33:14

in which I've never

1:33:16

seen, I've seen deer

1:33:18

there, seen turkey there, occasional

1:33:20

possums, gun, clock kind of stuff, but I've never

1:33:23

seen an owl. Ever in 10 years

1:33:25

of driving this road. We're coming

1:33:27

back up towards the, on this

1:33:29

road, which is about probably about the

1:33:31

way the crow, by the way, the crow

1:33:33

flies 500 feet to my house.

1:33:35

So I gotta go down and around and get back to it. And

1:33:38

I'm just driving and I think, PIP, my daughter

1:33:40

is wanting something. So I'm kind of looking back and my

1:33:42

wife says, what is that? And

1:33:45

we're driving. So I turned my head back

1:33:47

around and over on the guard rail stands

1:33:50

an owl. Um, and as we drive

1:33:53

by it, it's not looking at us. And then she's

1:33:55

kind of looked, there is an owl. That's crazy. Look.

1:33:57

And then she turns that

1:33:59

head off. all the way around, looks right at us. And

1:34:01

I kind of just, well, there it

1:34:03

is. And it just take off. And then the next

1:34:06

time we record, I'm like, all right, boys. I

1:34:08

know what I've said, but I

1:34:11

think there might be something to this. This is what

1:34:13

happened to me. Well, it's even

1:34:15

so much at, go ahead, Tony. I'll say

1:34:17

you go over there with something. Yeah, so

1:34:19

I use AI art for

1:34:21

the show art now and stuff. I have

1:34:23

the other guys that do artwork and stuff, but recently

1:34:25

I've been so busy. It's easier just to plug it

1:34:27

in, get the art and go. And

1:34:30

I've been noticing that when I

1:34:32

plug in something, a

1:34:34

lot of times birds are popping up. And

1:34:38

I mentioned to Ward and he's like, that's interesting.

1:34:40

And I'm like, Ward, there you go again. So

1:34:42

with all your weird stuff, say, shut up, bro.

1:34:45

Well, this past week, Cody over here,

1:34:48

Cody, the producer, he was

1:34:50

on the show and we call it the Mothman curse.

1:34:52

And so I'm like, okay, let's plug it in. I

1:34:54

put Mothman, I put my little codes in and stuff

1:34:56

for what I used to make it look the way

1:34:59

I wanted to look. And this

1:35:01

is what popped up. Wow. And

1:35:04

these birds and owls

1:35:06

keep popping up whenever I, but

1:35:11

not always. And it's so random. And

1:35:14

then, I should probably do a show one

1:35:16

day. Yeah, go ahead. I

1:35:18

should probably do a show one day, but

1:35:22

Ryan's going potty. Beep

1:35:24

beep. But I'll be right

1:35:27

behind you, Ryan. But

1:35:30

the house guy podcast guys, I

1:35:33

believe they recently, I don't listen to their show,

1:35:36

but I believe

1:35:38

they recently did an episode on

1:35:40

this, what was that? The

1:35:43

Owlman. No, not the Owlman. The AI. The

1:35:45

AI. Oh yeah, yeah. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I

1:35:48

don't know. I just listened to it. I know his name.

1:35:51

She had some kind of. Yeah, but it's like this AI

1:35:53

demon that's popping up in AI art. And

1:35:56

to be fair, I was the first one on it, but

1:35:58

I won't want to claim it. and all that stuff.

1:36:01

Like I've been talking about this for months

1:36:03

privately and stuff, I just don't do episodes

1:36:05

on everything I talk about. And- Low

1:36:08

or low-ab. Yeah, it's

1:36:10

L-O-B-E, right? L-O-A-B. L-O-A-B, that's right.

1:36:13

But they did an episode, I think, on

1:36:15

it and stuff. People should check it out.

1:36:17

But there's this phenomenon that we're starting to

1:36:19

realize with AI art that is

1:36:22

AI art doing something more

1:36:26

than what we thought it would do. It's

1:36:28

doing more than originally intended. And

1:36:30

is it projecting or summoning

1:36:32

different things and DTS and

1:36:34

entities? And I mean, I

1:36:37

should probably post this picture along with the

1:36:39

show stuff, just so people can see what

1:36:41

I'm talking about. Yeah. Like that

1:36:43

looks like some kind of crazy owl. Yes. Like,

1:36:46

and that just happened on

1:36:49

Monday last week. Yeah, that's

1:36:51

crazy. It's even being little stuff

1:36:53

like, where me and Ron work, we do woodwork.

1:36:55

We won't get into all of that stuff. Tell

1:36:57

me more about that boring lifestyle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:36:59

I'm just kidding. It's not boring. I think it's

1:37:01

really- There's a lot of trees in the woods.

1:37:03

What you guys do with the wood, it's amazing.

1:37:06

Like the guys who, Blake,

1:37:09

and I think that his friend's name is Josh, I forget.

1:37:11

But the guys who, that desk out there was made by

1:37:13

guys in Arkansas that brought it up and stuff. I mean,

1:37:15

it's amazing what you guys do with the woods. Yeah, it's

1:37:17

awesome. We enjoy it.

1:37:19

We actually enjoy it. But what we

1:37:21

do is we work up boards and

1:37:23

logs. And when they come in from

1:37:25

a log yard, we have to date

1:37:27

them. Like give them their

1:37:29

location and a number and the date that they

1:37:31

were bought and all of these different things. Well,

1:37:34

even stuff just as simple as, when

1:37:37

me and Ron work together, I mean, we literally work

1:37:40

together. We look at each other like this all day

1:37:42

long on each side of a planer. Yeah, I know.

1:37:46

So every crazy idea I have, guess who gets

1:37:48

it first? Yeah, yep, yep. The other day I

1:37:50

actually told him, I ain't telling you anything else.

1:37:52

You just keep pissing on everything that I gotta

1:37:54

say. That's why I said my wife

1:37:56

all the time. She never thinks any of my ideas

1:37:59

are good. But just something

1:38:01

as simple as, okay, we're working

1:38:03

these boards. I make a

1:38:05

cut, I throw my scrap away, I turn

1:38:07

back around, and this board is

1:38:09

coming through the planer. Ow.

1:38:13

Wow. That's what I thought. That's

1:38:15

actually a DW1 board. But

1:38:20

that goes along with what Lance is saying. Start

1:38:22

looking, you start finding it everywhere. But here's the

1:38:24

weird thing. Here's the weird thing. When

1:38:27

I look and saw that, the moment that I

1:38:29

did that, a boy

1:38:31

Cody over here said, ow. Oh,

1:38:34

really? I was listening to

1:38:36

your show, listening to Cody's interview, and

1:38:38

the very moment that I saw that and

1:38:42

read, ow, Cody said, ow,

1:38:45

in my ear holes. I had to freak you

1:38:47

out, huh? Yeah, that's what I looked for. And

1:38:49

you're like, I'm going there next week. Oh my gosh.

1:38:51

And Ron said, Ron said, it's DW1. I

1:38:54

already see where he's going. I was like, you listen

1:38:56

right now. That's DW1. Don't

1:39:01

come to me with this. You listen right

1:39:03

now. Listen,

1:39:05

son. I got

1:39:07

three. I got four or five years on it. Let's

1:39:09

tell you right now what this is. This is DW1.

1:39:13

There ain't no OWL in it. That does

1:39:15

not say that. But

1:39:18

now I mean, it's just been weird stuff,

1:39:20

man. And it seems like that's the thing.

1:39:22

The further you dive into this stuff, the

1:39:25

more it just starts. It's like

1:39:27

we've said it a few times. You gaze

1:39:30

into the abyss long enough, eventually the abyss

1:39:32

starts gazing back. Or it's always been gazing.

1:39:34

Not touched. Or it's always been looking. I

1:39:36

think right now it's wrapping its tentacles around

1:39:38

us and pulling us in. Yeah. It's interesting.

1:39:40

I also have a theory on that. On

1:39:43

what? Tentacles? What? Kind of. Cthulhu?

1:39:45

Kind of. There's a

1:39:47

lot of us operating in this weird realm. You

1:39:53

say it on here a whole lot how you are the

1:39:55

only Christian, paranormal podcaster, or

1:39:57

one of the few. I wouldn't say the only. Like,

1:40:00

let's just put this way. We were talking about it

1:40:03

earlier and stuff. When I first started and

1:40:05

you said about how you guys were reaching out

1:40:07

to people and the response was great. When I

1:40:09

first started podcasting, I would reach out to other

1:40:11

podcasters and it was like crickets, you know? So,

1:40:14

whether they were Christians out there or not, I didn't know

1:40:16

because nobody wanted to talk to me. But

1:40:19

you have a lot of these different, you know, Christian or not,

1:40:22

we've all been diving into all these

1:40:24

weird stories and these weird correlations and

1:40:27

all the stuff that's happening. And, you

1:40:29

know, Bigfoot and UFOs and ghosts and

1:40:31

hauntings and demons and portals and all

1:40:33

this different stuff. And what

1:40:36

I've heard from almost everybody that I listen to anyway,

1:40:38

and people that we've talked to, is

1:40:40

there's this central intelligence

1:40:44

that's possibly, you know,

1:40:47

coordinating all these different things. That's all a theory,

1:40:49

you know, something that we've all been looking at,

1:40:51

trying to put our finger on and bringing light

1:40:54

to, you know, if this

1:40:56

is some form of old

1:40:58

gods that are behind

1:41:00

all of these things, and

1:41:02

by old gods, I mean, you know,

1:41:05

the ancient gods, the fallen angels, all this

1:41:07

different stuff. If

1:41:09

that's what's driving and operating this, and

1:41:12

we as Christian,

1:41:15

a lot of us, Christian podcasters

1:41:18

are not like in

1:41:20

ancient times worshiping these things, but

1:41:23

we're shining a light on them and saying, we're

1:41:25

coming for you. We're gonna

1:41:27

shine a light, we're gonna make you known, we're gonna

1:41:29

show people what is behind the veil

1:41:32

and how it's operating. Wouldn't

1:41:35

that start pushing back a little?

1:41:37

Oh yeah. That's my

1:41:39

thoughts. Yeah, no, I absolutely

1:41:41

agree with you. I

1:41:45

have noticed that with the interactions I've had with

1:41:47

people and stuff, and what they're saying is happening

1:41:49

to them, I feel

1:41:51

like there's definitely a pushback, even with me. I mean,

1:41:53

like I've said it before on the show, but

1:41:55

that whole incident I had in my old house, I mean, I

1:41:58

always start off with I had Dogman in my house. I'm like,

1:42:00

what? I'm like, no, I

1:42:02

kind of did. And people are,

1:42:04

they're like, how's that even possible bro?

1:42:06

And like, well, it's because you think dog

1:42:09

man is physical bro. I'm talking interdimensional portal

1:42:11

babies, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like,

1:42:13

but they, you know, I don't know how

1:42:15

else to describe it other than, uh, it

1:42:18

was heavy. We felt the vibrations. It was

1:42:20

walking bipedal and you hear the nails clacking

1:42:22

on the floor. And, um,

1:42:25

and it's like when you look in the abyss and it stares

1:42:27

back at you and that's what, that's what we're doing. I'm

1:42:29

not scared of it though. I'm not worried about

1:42:32

it. Um, and that's the

1:42:34

question I've always had for years and stuff. People

1:42:36

are like, you know, doing this stuff that you

1:42:38

do, aren't you worried? Blah, blah, blah. I'm like, no, I'm

1:42:40

not worried about it. Like, like I

1:42:42

believe that God has me here for a reason.

1:42:44

God placed me here. If God's going to place

1:42:46

me here, then like, I don't got to worry

1:42:48

about a whole lot. You know what I mean?

1:42:51

Like, like when things get crazy and like unbearable,

1:42:53

then I'll just say, I guess it's God saying

1:42:55

it's time to roll bro. Like you're pretty, like

1:42:57

your, your, your purpose is done and go back

1:42:59

to driving truck and, um, have a good life.

1:43:01

You've done your job. Good job. You know, get

1:43:03

out now. But, uh,

1:43:05

I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. Um,

1:43:08

especially with you guys finding weird rocks. Uh, it's,

1:43:14

uh, I, I can't stop looking at

1:43:16

those pictures. Uh, these are, they're fascinating.

1:43:18

I definitely, um, I want to get

1:43:21

up there with you guys. Like seriously, if you guys let

1:43:23

me know when you're going up there, cause I imagine you're

1:43:25

going to talk to this owner. I'm telling you what's going

1:43:27

to happen right now. You're going to talk to

1:43:29

him. And he's going to say, yeah, you can come look

1:43:31

at it. You can do what you need to do and

1:43:33

just let me know, keep me informed. Yeah. And I'll, and

1:43:35

yeah, when that happens, let me know the

1:43:37

date. I'll be there. I'll

1:43:39

be there. I'll, I'll, I'll just fill

1:43:41

up the truck and I'm, I'm, I'm coming. It's

1:43:44

not a bad drive. It could be a bad

1:43:46

drive. I don't care. I'll

1:43:49

be there. I'll be there. Cause, uh, this

1:43:51

is so interesting. I'm going up that way

1:43:53

a lot anyways, for the shadow Appalachia docu-series.

1:43:56

I'll be helping with that and participating in that.

1:43:58

So, um, when we were filming in

1:44:01

West Virginia and stuff, I'd be roughly

1:44:03

up in that area. You said

1:44:05

what, you're an hour, hour and a half from there? Yeah, you're going right

1:44:07

by us. Oh, so you're closer? Yeah.

1:44:10

Oh, perfect. Yeah. I like, save some

1:44:12

gas. You're going to Logan, you're not far

1:44:14

at all from us. But I don't know if it would

1:44:16

it be closer? It doesn't

1:44:18

matter. We don't need to talk about

1:44:20

logistics and bore the hell out of people here. Yeah, that's true. That's

1:44:23

true, we don't need it. That's an answer. We'll

1:44:25

save that, we'll save that for after. All right,

1:44:27

listen, let's, we're going to start winding things

1:44:29

down here, but before we wind things down, I

1:44:32

want you to tell me how your daughter saw

1:44:34

you, but not you, because you told me about

1:44:37

that before we started recording, and I just want

1:44:39

to hear this, because now I'm going to be like,

1:44:41

I just want to hear it. What just happened? Did it

1:44:43

just happen recently? Yes, it did. After

1:44:45

all of this, or in the midst

1:44:48

of all this research, and me

1:44:50

having my little hot tub incident, me and Lil

1:44:52

just kicking it in the hot tub, I

1:44:55

was walking out to my truck one night, I

1:44:58

forgot something in my truck, so I stepped out

1:45:00

and everybody else had already laid down, you know,

1:45:02

was asleep for the night. I

1:45:04

was going out to my truck, and I heard

1:45:07

my wife playing as they, like, hey,

1:45:09

Justin, from my front porch,

1:45:11

playing as they. I turn around,

1:45:13

she's not there. Nobody's

1:45:15

there. So I'm like, well, she's had

1:45:17

the, I mean, she's just, she's playing. Like,

1:45:20

she don't play, but she's playing. So

1:45:22

I grabbed my stuff, go

1:45:25

back inside, go to the bedroom,

1:45:27

she sound asleep. But I know,

1:45:29

without a shadow of a doubt, that

1:45:32

I heard her. So

1:45:34

a couple weeks later, I

1:45:38

was in the recliner, I think, watching

1:45:40

a ballgame in my living room, just

1:45:43

kicked back, watching TV, and

1:45:45

my youngest daughter, she has,

1:45:49

without going into all the specifics, she

1:45:51

has these episodes, she has mitochondrial disorder,

1:45:54

and she has these episodes that causes

1:45:56

dystonia, causes her to look and

1:45:59

act sort of like a, stroke victim. Well,

1:46:01

the only thing that helps these things is

1:46:03

rest. Like, you know, we give

1:46:05

her screen time, put her in bed, say

1:46:07

chill out for awhile and let

1:46:09

your brain reset. So

1:46:13

she's in the bed one evening and

1:46:17

I just hear, I don't know where, what daddy? I

1:46:22

said, what? Then she

1:46:25

said, what, what daddy? So

1:46:28

I get up, I walk in through there, you know,

1:46:30

through my four year looking in my bedroom. I

1:46:33

said, Riley, who are you talking to? She

1:46:36

said, you, you were hollering at me. What

1:46:38

were you saying? I said,

1:46:40

baby, I didn't holler. I didn't say anything.

1:46:43

And that was, that was that, you know, I've called her down a little,

1:46:45

look, I don't, I didn't need you. I don't know what you heard probably

1:46:49

a week later, same

1:46:51

scenario. I'm sitting in

1:46:53

the recliner, either watch TV, working

1:46:56

on something, you know, reading

1:46:58

something. Um, recliner is

1:47:00

kind of my spot, but

1:47:03

I heard her again. Same, same scenario.

1:47:05

She was having another episode. She has

1:47:08

them almost daily. Uh, she was resting. I

1:47:11

hear again, what daddy daddy, what, what do

1:47:13

you want? So

1:47:16

I thought this, this

1:47:19

can't happen twice this close to giving something

1:47:21

not be going on. So

1:47:23

I kind of get up. I'm sneaking in through

1:47:25

there, just listening before I turn

1:47:27

into the foyer. So I'm like, on this side

1:47:29

of the wall, the foyer's over here. I have

1:47:31

my head close to the wall. Just listen. Well,

1:47:34

she says it again, daddy, what do you

1:47:36

want? What? Nothing.

1:47:41

And she follows up with daddy. You know, I can't walk. What

1:47:43

do you want? So

1:47:47

I peek my head around and I said, Riley, who are you

1:47:49

talking to? She said, I was talking to

1:47:51

you. I said, what do you mean? But baby, I've

1:47:53

been in the living room this whole time. You weren't talking to me.

1:47:57

Yes, I was. you

1:48:00

were standing right there and pointed behind

1:48:02

me. I just got goosebumps saying that.

1:48:05

You were standing right there talking

1:48:08

to me or motioning me like

1:48:11

this. And

1:48:15

like, I mean,

1:48:18

for me, it's like, so

1:48:20

I took another break from my research there. You

1:48:22

mess with me all you want to. When

1:48:25

you start messing with my kids, it's

1:48:28

a little different story. I start getting pretty

1:48:30

defensive. So I mean, so I was in

1:48:32

prayer and going into the Word and just

1:48:35

walking around the house, talking

1:48:37

to Jesus while I was walking around the

1:48:39

house. I mean, it's just, it's

1:48:42

weird. It's weird. And

1:48:44

it's one of those things like, I

1:48:46

was talking to Ryan about the other day, this

1:48:49

disorder that she has, this scarring that she has

1:48:51

on her brain, does it allow

1:48:54

something that, it's

1:48:56

one of those things that you can look at it

1:48:58

scientifically or from the paranormal side. She

1:49:01

has scarring on her brain. Would that cause her to

1:49:04

see or hear some of these things? Or I know

1:49:07

I heard something. Is this just

1:49:09

something that's saying, hey. How often

1:49:11

does she go to a doctor? We

1:49:13

go to Charlottesville or UVA,

1:49:17

her neurologist, genetics team, all that there,

1:49:19

once every few months. Next

1:49:21

time you go in, can you ask them about

1:49:24

it? I can. You should ask them. I have

1:49:26

asked about like personality traits and

1:49:29

character traits and behavior things. This

1:49:33

disorder is super rare. It's

1:49:36

like there's only 50 some documented cases

1:49:38

in the world. Ever? Yeah.

1:49:41

Wow. That actually have

1:49:43

case files. But,

1:49:46

you know, I've asked them about the

1:49:48

scarring on the brain and the area that it's in.

1:49:51

And they can't really tell you, I mean, they can

1:49:53

tell you what this area of the brain does, but

1:49:56

they can't really 100% say, well, it

1:49:58

can cause this and this and this. this, this, this, this.

1:50:01

I mean, you can use a generic

1:50:03

term like hallucinations. Can it cause

1:50:05

hallucinations? Yeah. Yeah, that's something I

1:50:07

should definitely ask. Because I mean, if it can, great. You

1:50:11

might have an answer. If they're like,

1:50:13

no, that's not even remotely close to what

1:50:15

it could cost. And you're like, okay,

1:50:18

well, we're dealing with something else. Lillith! Yeah.

1:50:22

Get on out here, Lillith. Get outta here. You know

1:50:24

what I need to have a conversation right now? You

1:50:27

need to leave my daughter alone. I told you once,

1:50:30

I've told you a dozen times. Get

1:50:32

off the ridge. But

1:50:34

no, it is. It's been weird. It's been strange. There's

1:50:36

been a whole lot of weird

1:50:39

going on. Yeah, it's exciting though.

1:50:41

It's an exciting life to live.

1:50:43

It is. I mean,

1:50:45

this stuff is, it's very exciting. And

1:50:48

I'm really excited to see what comes

1:50:51

of this. And I, like

1:50:53

Lillith, listen, I told the other guys the

1:50:55

same thing. Like, I'm not trying to hoard

1:50:57

in on anything. I just

1:51:00

wanna be part of this. Like, I wanna see this. Like, I wanna,

1:51:02

you know what I mean? Like, listen, I got my own

1:51:04

thing going on here. Like,

1:51:06

I'm not trying to steal your silver ring and like

1:51:09

that. I just, I wanna see cool crap, man. Like,

1:51:11

that's what I'm all about. Like, I wanna see, I

1:51:13

wanna hear cool stories. I wanna see cool crap, man,

1:51:15

and just see what happens. If

1:51:17

you guys love to come up, I would love to

1:51:19

come and be on that next- Oh yeah, for sure.

1:51:21

Excursion to the spot. Oh yeah.

1:51:23

Because I mean, like, in all honesty, and I don't

1:51:25

know how I do this, but a lot of times,

1:51:29

it's something, like, thoughts hit me. And I,

1:51:31

like, I don't know if it's from practicing, trying to think

1:51:33

outside the box as much as possible or what, but

1:51:35

a lot of times I wind up offering perspectives that it

1:51:39

just, it doesn't really come into play. And

1:51:41

it helps having a third party doing that

1:51:43

stuff. And I would love to see what

1:51:45

I could drum up when I'm there,

1:51:48

just to see. Oh yeah, awesome. Man.

1:51:51

We may need to use a little of your blood. Hey,

1:51:53

listen, the little Puerto Rican blood, whatever works, you know

1:51:55

what I mean? You know, you got half a Rican,

1:51:57

we get the ginger bread, go along and mix it

1:51:59

together. and all of a sudden started glowing green.

1:52:01

You know? I create a superhero. Perfect.

1:52:05

We could use that. We could use

1:52:07

that. So, all right. Let's

1:52:09

tell the people, tell them where they could

1:52:11

find your show. We mentioned it a couple of times throughout

1:52:13

the recording. Tell

1:52:16

them your version of what your show is called

1:52:18

and how, where they can find it and all

1:52:20

that good stuff. You can check out a

1:52:23

Appalachian intelligence podcast. We're

1:52:25

anywhere you listen to podcasts.

1:52:27

We're Spotify, Apple, all

1:52:29

that stuff you can subscribe

1:52:32

to our YouTube. It's

1:52:34

just type in Appalachian intelligence. Pretty much

1:52:36

you just type Appalachian intelligence into Google

1:52:38

and you can find whatever you want

1:52:40

to find on us and go to

1:52:42

YouTube and look at our ugly mugs.

1:52:44

It's interesting you chose that

1:52:46

name and the path that things have gone. It

1:52:48

is. Cause you chose that

1:52:51

name before the rock was even discovered.

1:52:54

Yeah. And I'll tell you another little quick synchronicity

1:52:57

with that one, Lance. Your favorite

1:52:59

word. We,

1:53:03

when we started the podcast, we

1:53:05

talked to Ward, I think in March and

1:53:08

Ward mentioned, you guys should really check

1:53:10

out the podcast, Peony Royal. Cause it has to do with,

1:53:13

you know, talks about the breaks

1:53:15

interstate park. And that's literally in our hometown.

1:53:18

So I started checking them out. And

1:53:20

within the first couple of episodes, the,

1:53:24

I think the guy's name is Nate something,

1:53:26

the host of that show. He

1:53:29

says, you know, there's just something

1:53:32

about these mounts. There's some,

1:53:34

there's some form of intelligence

1:53:36

that's operating here in Appalachia.

1:53:40

I was like, wait, what? So you talk about

1:53:42

me, pretty smart. This

1:53:45

podcast is going to be awesome. But

1:53:50

no, I mean, just weird little things like that. And

1:53:52

the day that I went up to round, I was

1:53:54

like, dude, I got a great idea for the name

1:53:56

of this podcast. Appalachian intelligence. Number one, oxymoron. Nothing

1:53:59

about it. That's intelligent. Number

1:54:02

two, people might think that we're like,

1:54:04

some kind of alphabet agency. Yeah, you

1:54:06

gotta trick them into hitting play. Yeah,

1:54:08

yeah, yeah, just tell me whatever, but

1:54:10

the name just kind of was there.

1:54:12

And then I start hearing all of

1:54:14

this stuff, talking about Appalachia and hearing

1:54:17

this guy talking about there being some form

1:54:19

of intelligence operating from the mountains

1:54:21

of Appalachia. I don't

1:54:23

know, it's been a whole lot. We talk

1:54:25

a lot of times, it's like we have no

1:54:28

idea where we're going. And all of a

1:54:30

sudden this door just opens up in front of us. And

1:54:32

we're like, well, okay.

1:54:34

And we just step right through. And

1:54:36

it just keeps building and keeps leading.

1:54:38

And it's like, there's

1:54:41

something there before we ever even know that

1:54:43

it's there. And we've been at this a year.

1:54:46

Wow. I can't imagine what

1:54:49

another year is gonna look like, or five

1:54:51

years or whatever. I mean, it's, I

1:54:54

don't know, dude. It's a long ride. Yeah.

1:54:58

That's how it feels sometimes. It's like, we ain't

1:55:00

in control of this thing. We're

1:55:02

just saddling up and seeing where it goes.

1:55:05

Wow. I mean, I'm excited for you

1:55:07

guys. I'm excited to see how things develop. Anybody

1:55:10

listening right now, I'll make it

1:55:12

easy for you. I'll put the links to

1:55:15

their podcast in the show description. Do

1:55:17

you guys got a website or no? We don't. We're working

1:55:19

on a website right now. We're working on a lot of

1:55:21

things. That's,

1:55:23

we'll be too boring to go into. I'll

1:55:26

put links to Apple, Spotify. That

1:55:28

way it covers Android and Apple.

1:55:31

And I'll put a link to your Instagram.

1:55:33

That works. That's the only social

1:55:36

media platform I like. So we'll

1:55:38

put the Instagram on there and people

1:55:40

should definitely check out your stuff and

1:55:43

give it a follow. And like I always say

1:55:45

with podcasters on the show and stuff, you guys

1:55:48

gotta go hit subscribe, leave a

1:55:50

five star rating review, and then you hit

1:55:52

play and then you listen because that's what

1:55:54

decent people do. You know what

1:55:56

I mean? Like seriously, like stop

1:55:58

wasting your time. I'm hating on people

1:56:00

and stuff like, well, they got to earn my

1:56:03

five stars. They already did. They put

1:56:05

out free crap for you to listen to. Like,

1:56:07

just give them a five star rating review, show

1:56:10

some love, whether it's good or not.

1:56:12

Like, who cares? They show some love

1:56:14

to people. Show some of that Appalachian

1:56:16

hospitality. Right. Like, and that's

1:56:18

honestly how I feel about this stuff. I mean, like

1:56:20

we were talking for a while before we started recording

1:56:23

and stuff. And like, you know, I've been doing this

1:56:25

a long time now. Like, you know, and it's

1:56:27

like, it's not with

1:56:29

that nonsense of, you know, like,

1:56:31

like we don't, we don't, listen, we do, we

1:56:33

put out free stuff for people all the time.

1:56:36

Like that means you put your time in away

1:56:38

from your family, your kids, your job to

1:56:40

do something for complete strangers. The least they,

1:56:42

the complete strangers could do is before they

1:56:44

hit play, leave that five star rating review,

1:56:46

you know, show some love, you know, like,

1:56:49

you know, and if you don't

1:56:51

like it, just mosey on and know that you

1:56:53

did the world some good by leaving a five

1:56:55

star rating review. Yeah. Worst case

1:56:57

scenario. In all honesty, I've never listened to your podcast. So

1:56:59

I don't know if it's good or not. We

1:57:02

can assure you it's not. The

1:57:04

show sucks. See, you