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0:28

talk about it. I

0:31

saw three long, bony

0:33

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0:35

the door, curl up to grab it, and

0:37

then disappear. When

0:41

he came over to me, dude,

0:44

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0:51

this giant comes out of the cave, and they're all frozen.

0:54

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0:57

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0:59

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1:01

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1:07

else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the

1:09

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1:13

Spacer, got Spacer, got Spacer. When he

1:15

got about 15 yards away from me,

1:18

I raised that 12 gauge and I blowed his head

1:20

off. I feel

1:22

something pulling at my leg, and

1:24

I look over, and there

1:26

are two small gray entities

1:29

pulling at me. And they're literally, I'm

1:31

getting pulled off the bed. I reach my

1:34

hand into this bush, and I touch air.

1:36

Couldn't breathe, and I couldn't move, because

1:38

I know I'm seeing a monster.

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2:59

YouTube. Alright friends, we have Jerry

3:01

Marzinski coming on the show today. And Jerry is

3:03

somebody that I've heard about for a very long

3:05

time. He works in the mental health industry. He's

3:08

actually a mental health professional, and

3:10

he throughout the 30-40 years of

3:12

his professional career working with people

3:14

and patients, he's come to

3:16

the understanding that there's a large amount

3:18

of people who are diagnosed schizophrenic who

3:20

are not schizophrenic and are actually communicating

3:23

with entities. They're actually having entities within

3:25

their bodies communicating with him. It's crazy.

3:27

He has some really wild stories that

3:29

he's gonna be sharing with us today

3:32

where these entities did not like

3:34

the fact that he was asking certain

3:36

questions and prodding, and they asked the

3:38

person that's hosting them to be able

3:40

to directly speak to Jerry. And

3:43

what happened after that is just crazy.

3:46

So let's get to Jerry right now. All

4:04

right, today we have Dr. Jerry Marzynski on

4:06

the show. How are you, sir? I'm

4:09

doing good except for the computer. Yeah.

4:13

I listen. I'm a boondangle. This

4:15

happens. This happens. You know, when we talk about

4:17

these kind of topics, it happens. And

4:20

I'll tell you that because you and I, I felt like

4:22

there's a couple of times we were about to launch into

4:24

conversation before we started recording. So I just like, let's just

4:26

start recording. So the first

4:29

time this happened to me, I had a friend who

4:31

was talking about similar things that you're talking about, just

4:33

from a little bit of a different angle. Maybe

4:36

I'm not sure yet. But he

4:38

told me every time he's talking about this

4:40

on somebody's podcast, that their system starts glitching

4:42

and the recording gets, you know, messed up

4:44

or whatever. And I told him, I

4:46

was like, because I heard him and he's my friend. I love him. He's,

4:49

you know, all that. But I was like, eh, we'll see

4:51

what happens. So I said, why don't you come down to

4:53

the studio? We'll do it in person. Ain't nothing in the

4:55

glitch. We'll get your whole thing out. And

4:58

well, he comes down.

5:00

We do a two hour recording and one mixer

5:02

board later because he just like whatever we talked

5:04

about fried my mixer board. I had to buy

5:07

a brand new one. And so

5:09

every time I do an in studio recording behind

5:11

my guest is a shelf. And you'll see the

5:13

mixer board I used to have that I used

5:15

to use sitting on the shelf. It's just now

5:18

a decorative piece because it doesn't work anymore. But

5:21

yeah, this stuff happens a lot. No,

5:24

at this at this point, if something

5:26

doesn't go wrong, it's abnormal. It's

5:30

like every time I talk about this topic, something

5:33

goes wrong. It might be small, maybe as

5:35

big as, you know, the sound goes out

5:37

or the video goes out or or the

5:40

Internet goes out. I mean, it's

5:42

always something. There's always something. Yeah. Now,

5:45

it's becoming a frequent thing for me as well.

5:48

I think it's because I'm hitting on a lot of these types

5:50

of topics more often. And, you know, we'll

5:52

see how things go today. I

5:54

want to say that you. So

5:57

first of all, let me just back up here with

5:59

Jerry. you are a retired

6:01

psychotherapist, 40 years. And

6:04

one thing, I was reading through your bio,

6:06

one thing you said that you studied at

6:08

Temple University. Are you from the

6:10

Philadelphia area? Did you just spend time there in college? Cause

6:13

I just moved from there. No, I

6:15

was raised across the river in Burlington,

6:17

New Jersey by the Burlington Bristol Bridge.

6:19

Yeah. And

6:22

I traveled from there to Temple

6:25

University every day. Gotcha,

6:27

okay. Yeah, cause we, me and my family

6:29

just moved from the Philadelphia area to East

6:31

Tennessee two years ago. So when

6:33

I saw Temple, I was like, oh yeah,

6:35

absolutely. I'm not no dummy. I

6:37

mean, I'm not the brightest guy in the shed, but. Yeah.

6:41

Good move. Yeah, the city of

6:43

zombies now. So anyways,

6:46

I just wanted to make sure that I hit that

6:49

because I wanted to see if we're from the same

6:51

area. It turns out we are, so that's cool. So

6:55

you are somebody who has popped up on

6:57

my show over the years and

7:01

it's a name that has been brought

7:03

to me in conversation. And

7:05

it's one of those things where you hear it, but then you

7:07

forget to look up the person and look into the person. And

7:11

I forget now who most

7:13

recently was talking about you,

7:15

but we got connected

7:18

and it's just been, I

7:20

feel like a long time coming. And

7:23

when you and I were just talking here before

7:25

we started this recording, I said

7:27

to you how I want to dive into the, how

7:30

you came to discovering

7:32

the truth behind schizophrenia.

7:35

And I was kind of like doing it softly. And

7:37

you're just like, it's all messed up. And I was

7:39

like, okay, I didn't want to be

7:42

stepping on your toes. You're the one with the

7:44

doctorate. I

7:48

don't have a doctorate, but. Okay. I

7:52

got halfway there toward one before I said,

7:54

this is bullshit. I can't deal with it

7:56

anymore. I got

7:58

you. I got you. The years and

8:00

I can see what they say. they must

8:02

be hiding the truth and a Phd programs.

8:05

They don't tell the masters level or undergraduates

8:07

the truth must be in the piss out

8:09

of their they don't know shit settle know

8:11

nothing. Or a

8:13

bus and of. I

8:16

agree with his. Or

8:18

there's a lot of things that I have

8:20

been with when it comes to mainstream anything

8:23

really. And does I have a really hard

8:25

time. When. You have people who

8:27

are saying they know but they have such

8:29

opposing views of other people who are looked

8:31

at as highly intelligent people and like love.

8:33

You guys can agree that how can I

8:36

know that any one of you actually know

8:38

anything you know? It means that at some

8:40

point there's gotta be a real truth here

8:42

right of in. The editor seems like people

8:44

can't agree on stuff and I'm just like,

8:47

well I'll just figured out myself all that

8:49

the thought that proof is in the results.

8:52

Bottom. Line: if it works. It.

8:54

Works. Yeah. And and the

8:57

stuff they are teaching does not

8:59

work in us. and the foundations

9:01

of what they're teaching is not

9:03

the truth so it doesn't work

9:05

anywhere. Spiritual beats minutes without the

9:07

spirit. We were just have a

9:10

lump of matter on its and

9:12

they completely ignore that. Dates and

9:14

and what was it. Eight years

9:16

of his duff, cytology, counseling and

9:18

and. Graduate School.

9:21

They never mentioned spirit once. Really?

9:24

No. Not really. Never. Never

9:27

and and they didn't want you

9:29

reading time as a spiritual type.

9:32

stuff I mean of state for

9:34

to me, what of satellites? Especially.

9:37

In the Phd program was like brainwash

9:39

may was it was just the same

9:41

thing they put you in this pressure

9:43

cookers, turn up the heat's and then

9:45

you will do this and you will

9:47

do that and near the know it's

9:49

it's like on the The overall feeling

9:51

was like oh we're gods. Yours.

9:55

Upcoming Gods and everybody else is below

9:57

you. i mean that that was like the

9:59

and written message in that doctoral

10:01

program. I

10:04

don't think they're all like that, but the one I was in

10:06

was like that. I

10:08

mean, I'm sure there's plenty like that. Just

10:11

when you look at the attitude that, I mean, for me,

10:14

maybe from the outside looking in, the

10:17

attitude that you see from that realm

10:20

of the world where the doctorates and all

10:22

that, it just seems like we'll tell you

10:24

what to believe and just trust us because

10:26

we know we're doctorates. Yeah,

10:28

well, that started off even in

10:30

undergraduate school. That's one of

10:33

the biggest things that irked me about

10:35

undergraduate at Temple University. You'd have

10:37

all these psychology textbooks,

10:40

but except for experimental, you

10:42

couldn't go check out anything.

10:46

You didn't have... Basically, it was,

10:48

oh, yeah, just believe us. This is all true.

10:52

And I remember it. First

10:55

of all, I don't trust authority at all. I never

10:57

did. I mean, ever since I was a kid. Second

11:01

of all, I'm an adrenaline junkie. Without

11:03

those two traits, I would have never got

11:05

to where I was in exploring

11:08

this stuff because at times

11:11

it got terrifying. But

11:15

one of the first things

11:17

I ran into at Temple University

11:20

was, I think I was taking

11:22

an abnormal psychology class and they assigned

11:24

a paper written by clinical psychologists. That

11:28

paper said if two crazy people met each

11:30

other and they both had the same delusion,

11:33

so if both of

11:35

them believed that they were Trudeau,

11:38

one of them would have to change their delusion to

11:41

something else. Even

11:43

as an undergraduate, I didn't know anything back then.

11:45

I go, why would that have to happen? They're

11:47

both nuts. I have one have to change, so

11:50

the other one could be this other thing. It

11:53

made no sense, but I had no way to prove

11:55

it. You can't get into – go ahead and try

11:57

to get into a mental health center or a private

11:59

psych- psychiatric hospital or state psychiatric hospital, tell them,

12:01

hey, I want to investigate sick kids or friendly.

12:04

I want to talk to these guys. I want

12:06

to see what's really going on. You'll

12:09

never get in the door. And

12:12

the 40-some years I spent working on

12:14

the front lines of mental health, I

12:16

never, ever saw a

12:19

researcher, any kind of researcher

12:21

on the front lines actually looking

12:24

at what was happening. They

12:26

won't let them in. So all

12:29

this research comes from the universities which

12:31

were taken over by the Rockefellers

12:33

back in 1910 with the Flechner Report.

12:39

They made it illegal for

12:41

universities to graduate anybody who

12:43

didn't graduate from a pharmaceutical

12:49

kind of curriculum. So

12:52

it all revolved around drugs. All

12:57

the other things went out.

12:59

I mean, electroph therapy, naturopathy, all

13:02

these different kind

13:04

of treatments were

13:07

all kind of

13:09

sidelined because Rockefeller paid off

13:11

the Congress and they passed

13:13

these laws called the Flechner

13:15

Report saying you've got to

13:18

teach pharmacological medicine or you

13:20

can't graduate students. And

13:23

that put all the universities on the

13:26

chopping block. So

13:28

they had to start teaching what these people

13:30

were telling them to. The

13:35

pharmacy, the big

13:37

pharma has taken over the university. They

13:40

virtually own the universities at this point. If

13:44

you don't teach what they want you to teach, your

13:47

grants dry up. If

13:49

you want to publish something that goes against

13:51

their medication garbage,

13:55

they won't publish it. You won't get

13:57

reviewed. They have a

13:59

lot of money. of power. And

14:02

they're not in your

14:05

best interest. They're to make money.

14:07

That's all they want to do, make money. They'll sell

14:09

you any kind of drug you'll eat as

14:11

long as they get money. Yeah. Well,

14:15

I think we've been seeing that pattern a

14:17

lot through the last several years. And

14:20

so I don't think that's a... I

14:22

think it's becoming a more and more common

14:24

understanding of this industry. And it is an

14:27

industry, you know? So... Yeah.

14:30

You're the author of An

14:32

Amazing Journey into the Psychotic

14:35

Mind, Breaking the Spell of

14:37

the Ivory Tower. And

14:39

what I would like to do is... And the link is

14:41

going to be in the description of this episode. And... That's

14:44

what it looks like. If you're watching right now, it's

14:46

right there on the screen. Throughout

14:49

your professional career, you

14:52

started connecting these dots. And there

14:55

are certain specific situations that you found yourself

14:57

in that just left you feeling

14:59

like, okay, so I'm actually communicating with

15:01

something or there's actually something tangibly

15:04

communicating through this person that

15:08

is not just an imaginary

15:10

thing in their brain because they're crazy.

15:12

I would love for you to kind of

15:15

share your story of how you went

15:17

through this process of discovery. Because

15:19

for years on my show, I

15:22

talk about these different types of things and

15:24

the spiritual realm and how I think that

15:26

a lot of schizophrenia is misdiagnosed. I don't

15:28

even say a lot. Like, because I don't

15:30

know. But I did believe that schizophrenia,

15:33

there was a lot of room for

15:36

misdiagnosis because of the lack of adherence

15:40

to a spiritual realm. And

15:42

I've had one or two ladies on

15:44

the show in the past, at least

15:47

two ladies in the past on the

15:49

show that were studying to be psychologists

15:51

and go into this field because they

15:53

believed that very thing and they felt

15:55

like the industry was not doing these

15:57

people justice. So it's not

16:00

With that said, I would love for you to kind

16:02

of just launch this into this process for you

16:04

of how you kind of came to this understanding

16:06

and that these are not just voices in crazy

16:08

people's heads. Yeah, that

16:10

took years before I got to that point.

16:13

And I didn't want to believe it myself. So when

16:19

I got onto the front lines, the

16:21

first job I had was at the

16:23

Central State Hospital in Millersville, Georgia. This

16:25

place was most likely the biggest

16:28

psychiatric hospital on the planet at the

16:30

time. There were like 10,000 patients there.

16:32

I mean, it was the size of a small city. But

16:38

I started into – let me

16:41

start at the beginning. I started

16:44

into telling you about that paper

16:46

by the clinical psychologist saying two

16:50

crazy people who had the same delusion, one of

16:52

them would have to change. And

16:55

it made no sense to me. I didn't

16:57

have access to a clinical population. Neither do

16:59

anybody in undergraduate school.

17:01

So you can't check out what these people

17:03

are saying to you. You can't

17:05

go see it for yourself for

17:07

the most part except in experimental psychology.

17:10

You can go into the rat lab and you can see those

17:13

things working. But fast

17:16

forward maybe 20 years

17:19

from that point where I read that article.

17:21

I was on the first floor or second

17:24

floor of a psychiatric unit. I

17:26

was watching a guy talk

17:29

to himself. So he's talking to his voices.

17:32

And what they told us in college

17:34

was the voices are hallucinations. They

17:37

didn't say anything more about them. And

17:39

it was, oh, they're hallucinations. They're

17:42

auditory hallucinations. That means they're hearing

17:44

something. But they didn't go any

17:46

deeper into that. And I

17:49

heard this guy talking to himself, carrying

17:51

on a conversation with

17:53

these voices. And it wasn't

17:56

word cabbage. It wasn't word salad. I

17:58

mean, these were, This was a coherent,

18:02

semi-logical conversation. It

18:06

was like listening to one side of a phone call. You

18:10

could hear what the person was saying, but you

18:12

couldn't hear what he was hearing

18:14

back. So I started kind

18:16

of creeping up on him, getting close so I

18:18

could hear the conversation. He

18:22

turns around to me and he

18:24

looks at me and he

18:27

caught me. I said, hey,

18:29

I'm Jerry. I'm the psych for this

18:31

unit. I haven't seen

18:33

you before. You knew? He goes,

18:35

yeah, I just got here a few days ago. I

18:39

said, what's your name? He looks

18:41

me in the eye and he goes, I'm Jesus Christ.

18:45

I thought for a second.

18:49

Back to that article from the

18:51

clinical psychologist and I said, no,

18:55

you're not Jesus Christ. I am.

18:58

I stood there going, what's he going to do? Wow.

19:01

I sit there watching him. What's he going to do? He

19:04

kind of cocks his eyes up and he looks and he

19:06

goes thinking about it. Then

19:09

he looks at me and he goes,

19:11

okay, we can both be Jesus Christ.

19:13

Then he walks off.

19:17

I said, okay. They printed that lie.

19:19

What else are they lying about? That

19:22

was like, okay, they're lying. They're

19:24

not telling the truth. It didn't make sense in the

19:26

first place. Once

19:28

I got to that state

19:30

hospital, other

19:32

things started not making

19:35

sense. It

19:40

was clear that the voices that these patients

19:42

were hearing were affecting them in a negative

19:45

way. If they're listening to

19:47

these things, they got into trouble. They got into

19:49

fights. They got into arguments. They would

19:51

break the rules. They would do all kinds of stupid,

19:53

crazy stuff when

19:57

the voices were active. They

19:59

drug them. So they're walking around like

20:01

in a half days and it's hard

20:04

to get into trouble when you're a

20:06

zombie. And that was what the

20:09

hospitals loved most about these drugs. They

20:12

didn't have to have a lot of

20:14

staff to wrestle these guys into straitjackets.

20:18

They just drug them, and then they were docile. Even

20:21

though they were still hearing the voices, they weren't acting

20:23

on them. They were too sluggish to act on them.

20:27

So I'd start

20:29

asking staff

20:31

who'd worked there for decades

20:33

before I got there, well, what are the

20:35

voices? Well, they're

20:37

hallucinations. Virtually every

20:39

single one of them, they're

20:41

hallucinations. Well,

20:47

what are they telling these patients? Well, I don't

20:50

know. They're hallucinations. Nobody

20:52

was interested. I mean, there were many

20:55

hundreds of staff there. Now, one of

20:57

them was interested in what these voices

20:59

were telling these patients. So

21:03

it was

21:06

like, why? Why wouldn't they want to know?

21:08

Why wouldn't they be curious? They

21:10

were all brainwashed in graduate school

21:12

and medical school. They're hallucinations. That's

21:14

it. Believe us, we're

21:16

the authors, we're the professors,

21:18

we're the psychiatrists. Not

21:21

one of them has ever done a study on

21:23

the voices. Not one. It

21:27

reminded me of the Egyptian priests of

21:30

old. The voices are hallucinations because we

21:32

say so when we're psychiatrists or we're

21:34

professors or we're whatever we are, not

21:37

having looked into it at all. Not

21:41

only that, they didn't want you looking into

21:43

it because there were twice I was caught

21:45

asking patients at the state hospital what their

21:47

voices were telling them. One

21:50

of the patients got upset, or I should say

21:52

the voices got upset that it was prying into

21:54

their territory, and they had

21:57

the patient complain to the psychiatrist and

21:59

told him, the psychiatrist, hey, man, this

22:02

guy's asking about my voices and he's upsetting me.

22:05

I don't like it. Next thing I

22:07

knew the next morning, I was in front

22:09

of that psychiatrist on the red carpet being

22:11

told, the voices are hallucinations. You

22:14

will not ask these patients about them

22:16

anymore because what you're doing is reinforcing

22:18

their hallucinations and making them worse. I'm

22:21

looking at this guy like, you know,

22:26

but I can't say anything to him because

22:28

they're so arrogant, it's incredible. They're

22:30

like little gods out there. So

22:33

he was full of it. I knew it, but you couldn't talk back

22:35

to him. So

22:37

both times that I was caught by psychiatry

22:40

trying to figure out what these voices were telling these

22:42

people, I got in

22:44

trouble and I was threatened. So

22:46

they don't even want you going there. They

22:49

don't want you asking any questions. So

22:55

the next thing I knew from

22:58

asking them, there was a pattern

23:00

that appeared and this

23:02

pattern was the voices were

23:04

consistently and persistently negative. So

23:08

if they're a hallucination, you would think, okay,

23:10

they'll be positive sometime, they'll be negative sometime,

23:12

they'll be in between sometime. They'll

23:17

run the gamut just like hallucinations do. They're all over

23:19

the place. You can't predict what a hallucination is going

23:21

to do or what they're going to say in a

23:23

hallucination. It's just, it's random. No,

23:26

this pattern started appearing. The

23:28

more I asked these patients, what are these

23:30

voices like? What are they saying? It

23:32

came out that they were consistently and

23:35

persistently negative. They never said anything neutral.

23:37

They never said anything good. It

23:40

was always negative stuff and it was

23:42

stuff that would incite negative

23:45

emotion. It would upset

23:47

them. And

23:49

I'm thinking, okay, well,

23:53

what is it that holds these voices

23:55

on such a negative trajectory? Why

23:58

aren't they random like

24:00

other hallucination? That didn't make

24:03

any sense. So

24:07

here's this abnormality that pops up

24:10

that just didn't make sense in

24:12

terms of what the establishment was

24:14

saying. The second

24:17

one I found was

24:19

they said schizophrenia is

24:21

due to a chemical imbalance in the

24:23

brain of the patient, and

24:25

that causes the hallucinations. But

24:28

one thing I noticed that was very odd was

24:31

that if it's a chemical imbalance of the

24:33

brain, you would think they would have some

24:35

way to measure what chemicals were

24:37

out of balance or by how much. You need

24:41

a baseline. If it's an imbalance,

24:43

what's the baseline? What do you do to balance it

24:45

up again? It

24:48

was years I

24:51

was there, and I never, ever noticed

24:53

a psychiatrist give any kind of lab

24:57

work, clinical test,

24:59

blood work, EKG, EEG,

25:02

nothing. They gave no kind of objective

25:06

test to determine what

25:10

chemicals were in the brain of the

25:12

patient were out of balance or by how much. Never.

25:16

And I would watch them, how they operate. I'd

25:18

be sitting next to them with my client, and

25:21

they'd evaluate them. They'd make their diagnosis, and

25:23

then they'd just kind of, okay, we're going

25:26

to start you on this. Totally

25:28

subjective. There wasn't any

25:30

objective factor to it at all. It

25:33

was all subjective. So

25:36

one day I asked one of the psychiatrists,

25:38

I said, well, if

25:40

this is a chemical brain imbalance, I don't see

25:42

you guys giving any kind of tests

25:45

to determine what's out of balance or by how much.

25:47

How do you know what's out of balance? And

25:49

they say, oh, we don't worry about it. The

25:51

drug companies tell us. And

25:55

I'm like, yeah, that's what I did. I went, oh

25:57

my God, that's like letting the fox in the hen

25:59

house. That's wild. You know, it's like I couldn't

26:02

believe it, you know, but that's how they

26:04

were operating. Turns out

26:06

they have no objective

26:08

test to determine anything

26:12

about what the chemical imbalance of the brain

26:14

is. They don't even know what the chemical

26:16

balance of the brain should be. It

26:19

was made up by Eli Lilly back in

26:21

the 70s when they came out with

26:23

Prozac to try to explain why their drug

26:25

worked. It was a complete fabrication,

26:28

it was a total lie, but Lilly ran

26:30

with it anyway. And

26:32

they're still advertising this same garbage, even

26:34

though it's been disproven over and over

26:36

and over and over again. I pulled

26:39

up an article not long ago from

26:41

one of these big, you know,

26:43

fancy hospitals saying, oh, it

26:46

is believed that schizophrenia

26:48

is caused by a chemical imbalance of the

26:50

brain. Or

26:52

it's suspected. So they're still pushing

26:55

that, even

26:57

though they know it's a lie. So

27:03

that

27:05

was the second big fallacy I saw. You

27:08

know, they didn't know what

27:10

the chemical imbalance was, they didn't know what

27:12

was out of balance. They didn't

27:14

even know what the balance, the chemical balance of

27:16

the brain should be. So

27:22

I kept, I

27:24

had to be careful at the state hospital because,

27:27

you know, the psychiatrists, they didn't

27:29

like me asking questions about the voices. So I

27:32

had to kind of stay under the radar,

27:34

which really interfered with things because I couldn't ask

27:36

too many questions. I had to be careful not

27:38

to upset these guys with my questions. And

27:43

I always had to be careful. The other thing I

27:45

saw at the state hospital was psychiatrists

27:48

were being beat up by

27:50

schizophrenics at a rate far

27:52

in excess of attacks on

27:54

any other staff except for

27:56

attendance staff that were with them

27:58

20 years ago. Four

28:00

hours a day. And.

28:03

I was wondering if is respect and there

28:05

was no internet so we had thus the

28:07

food. Sat through this big. Building.

28:10

That prepared food for this entire song

28:12

and hospital complex. So the staff would

28:14

meet their everyday for lunch and that's

28:16

where all the your. Phone.

28:19

When you call it the grapevine was.

28:22

and he of time after time it would

28:24

be say this psychiatrists got beat up and

28:26

the sooner than this other psychiatrists computer points

28:29

gets Fredericton this units and after while he

28:31

was like all voters this goes wrong we

28:33

spend have like fifteen twenty minutes or a

28:35

month with his people. And I'm

28:37

like what are they saying to them and

28:39

twenty minutes for said that? Their person I'm

28:41

also a gnostic. a beat up. Know

28:43

what's going on there? There was a

28:46

puzzle for years to for seven years

28:48

though it's figure that one else so.

28:50

I. Think the psychiatrist at at that

28:52

hospital were afraid of these people. Are

28:55

they didn't want to do anything to upset

28:57

them And that was kind of like the

29:00

unwritten rule is that that Space Hospice don't

29:02

do anything to upset these people because you

29:04

don't know what they're going to do Their

29:06

potentially dangerous. Home.

29:10

Till I Die I never saw that

29:12

song. I mean. I

29:15

didn't see them as as dangerous as what

29:17

they were painting them out to be. So.

29:22

Seven. Years later. fast forward seven years

29:24

to finish this little story. There

29:27

was one girl who was gets a

29:29

front of she was studying cosmetology to

29:31

be up a bit as her suits.

29:33

He was doing good. She was taken

29:35

or med sci one off the meds

29:37

twice and when psychotic. Too.

29:39

So those meds were touring anything they

29:41

were just suppressing symptoms are it's as

29:43

at at that site rehab center. We

29:45

had kind of an unwritten rule same

29:48

as they went off their meds three

29:50

times in the center where these meds

29:52

are being handed to them. and

29:54

and they're watching them taken to say go

29:56

off and three times or not and stay

29:58

on them in the community And

30:00

that's the only thing that was keeping these people sane at

30:03

that time. We didn't have anything else. We didn't know

30:05

about anything else. And

30:07

apparently, they didn't want us to know about anything else.

30:10

So if they went off their meds three times,

30:12

we would discharge them. So

30:14

this girl, that was the third time she went off her

30:17

medication. She was doing good in class. She was

30:19

making good grains with her pills. She

30:23

would have made a good cosmetologist if she would have stayed

30:25

on her meds. But she was slated

30:27

to be discharged because she went off her meds

30:29

a third time. So I

30:33

contacted her mother, and her mother virtually

30:35

begged me, please don't throw her out.

30:37

I can't

30:39

deal with her here. I'll come up there, and we'll talk

30:41

to her and find out why she went off her meds.

30:43

I'll work with you. So I said, okay, all right, come

30:45

on up. So one Friday, she

30:47

came up. She was in my

30:50

office, called the client in, and both of

30:52

us are sitting there going, why

30:54

did you go off your meds again? You know

30:56

if you went off another time, you would be

30:58

discharged from the program. Why did you

31:01

do it? She goes, you

31:03

won't believe me. I

31:05

said, I heard some really strange

31:07

stories since I've been here. Trust

31:09

me. I don't think you could tell me

31:11

anything that's going to shock me. And

31:13

she goes, well, okay.

31:16

She said, the voices were telling

31:18

me that the psychiatrist was poisoning

31:20

me, and they were

31:22

pointing to the side effects of the

31:24

medications as proof that I was being

31:26

poisoned. And those

31:28

side effects are horrible. They're

31:31

awful. There's pages

31:34

of them, all these negative

31:36

side effects. So it

31:38

looked real to her, and in fact, she

31:40

was being poisoned because these drugs

31:42

are toxic. What

31:46

they found was with autopsies from

31:48

people from state hospitals that were

31:50

on long-term meds like this, when

31:53

they did the autopsy, they saw that their brains

31:55

were shrunk like walnuts, and

31:57

they're going, well, What's

32:00

this all about? So

32:03

the researchers who did that suspected

32:07

it was the anti-psychotic drugs.

32:10

So what they started doing was feeding them

32:12

to rats and mice and monkeys, and

32:15

found out they got the same results. So

32:18

when they published these results, the psychiatric mafia

32:20

in Big Pharma went nuts. Oh,

32:22

no, it's not our drugs. It's

32:25

the schizophrenia that's doing this. The schizophrenia is

32:27

causing their brain to shrink. Believe

32:29

us. They

32:32

had the proof. Those drugs are

32:34

toxic. They shrink the brain like

32:36

a walnut. They

32:39

destroy the peripheral nervous system. So

32:44

they are slowly destroying the nervous system

32:46

on these people with these drugs. And

32:50

I don't even know if they're even

32:52

aware of it. Now,

32:54

they know that when they get

32:56

the aconesia and they start shaking

32:58

like this, and their tongues start

33:00

starting, they know they have to

33:02

cut back on the anti-psychotic drugs. That's

33:04

a toxic effect of these drugs. So

33:10

that explained why psychiatrists were getting beat

33:12

up at a rate much higher than

33:14

any other staff at

33:17

the hospital. Because if

33:19

the voices were telling these patients that

33:21

they're being poisoned by the psychiatrists, that

33:23

would explain it. OK.

33:27

So there were just so many

33:29

things that just didn't make sense. Now, a second

33:33

pattern appeared

33:37

before I left the state hospital. So I

33:39

worked there for seven years on the front

33:41

lines at this large psychiatric hospital. The

33:44

second pattern that showed up that was

33:46

very strange was that

33:49

these voices were anti-religious. So

33:52

I would talk to clients, and they

33:54

would say, hey,

33:56

when I walk into the church, the voices

33:58

go nuts. They don't like me

34:01

being there. Well, that's odd.

34:03

And what kind of hallucination would be

34:05

anti-religious? What kind of hallucination would stop

34:07

people from going to church? So

34:10

I started asking them more and more questions. It

34:13

turned out there were like three categories of this. If

34:16

the voices were very weak and they went into

34:18

a church, the voices would disappear. If

34:21

they were moderate strength, they

34:23

would get stronger and they would start mocking the

34:25

preacher in saying he was a bozo, he didn't

34:27

know what he was talking about. And

34:31

they were interfering with them listening to

34:34

the preacher's sermon.

34:38

And if the voices were very strong, they would

34:40

actually drive them out of the church. They

34:42

would get up and run out. So

34:45

I talked to scores of these

34:47

patients, asking them, what

34:50

happened when you went into a church or what happened

34:52

when you tried to read the Bible? And

34:56

one thing that was interesting with the Bible is the

34:58

voices didn't like them reading the Bible. They would say,

35:00

oh, this is a bunch of crap. It's

35:03

ancient stuff. It's ancient history. And

35:06

if the patient insisted that they wanted to

35:08

read the Bible, the voices would say, okay,

35:11

you have to read it from cover to cover. If

35:14

you're going to read the Bible, you have to read it from cover

35:16

to cover. So the patient would go, okay, I'll read it from cover

35:18

to cover. And they'd start reading it and

35:20

they'd hit that section where this guy, we got that

35:22

guy, we got this guy. You know,

35:24

for pages and pages of who

35:26

begot who over hundreds of years.

35:29

And then the voices would show back up

35:31

and go, look, this is garbage. Why are

35:33

you reading this trash? This is trash. This

35:36

is stupidity. Stop

35:38

this. And a

35:40

lot of them would stop at that point. One

35:45

guy came in and told me when he

35:47

recited the 23rd Psalm that

35:50

the voices reacted like worms thrown on a hot

35:52

frying pan. And I

35:55

found that interesting. So anytime one of them told me something

35:57

like that, I would like to read it from cover to

35:59

cover to cover. I would log it down and

36:01

then I would start asking others. You know, I

36:03

didn't just believe one guy. I

36:05

would start asking dozens and dozens of others.

36:08

And it turns out that

36:11

the other schizophrenics also had

36:13

– the voices went nuts when they

36:15

started to try to pray. And

36:18

they specifically hated the 23rd Psalm.

36:21

So I started handing it out to

36:23

schizophrenic patients and saying, well,

36:26

read this and tell me what the voices do

36:28

when you read it. I love that. It was

36:30

always a negative reaction. The voices

36:32

hated it. They would

36:35

go nuts. They'd

36:38

start screaming and hollering and raising Cain,

36:40

and they just didn't like

36:43

it. So what

36:46

kind of hallucination would be

36:48

any religious? Okay, so

36:50

here's two major patterns. Anybody

36:53

working with schizophrenics, anybody who

36:55

has one in their home? I

36:57

mean, this isn't like what

36:59

the Eli Lilly and Big

37:01

Pharma did. You know, first they – this

37:06

is the operational definition of schizophrenia,

37:10

these patterns, okay? So

37:14

what Big Pharma and psychiatric

37:16

mafia and what

37:19

they did is – well,

37:21

first they started explaining it by – they blamed

37:23

mothers, okay? Oh, the mothers did something

37:25

to the kids that made them schizophrenic. You

37:27

know, it's a mother's fault. So

37:29

the mothers – we didn't do anything. What

37:32

did we do? So they

37:34

couldn't find anything there. They dropped it. So

37:37

what they had to do was move

37:39

it up out of the purview of

37:41

the public and most doctors and researchers,

37:43

kick it up somewhere where

37:45

people couldn't – what

37:48

do you call it? Debunk it. So the

37:50

second thing they did is – oh, well,

37:53

it's genetics. It's

37:55

genetics. The schizophrenic is genetic.

37:58

There's a genetic predisposition. So

38:04

what they did is kicked it up into that territory, and

38:06

who's going to investigate that? You know, psychiatry

38:08

isn't going to look into that. Guys like me

38:10

aren't going to look into it. You've got

38:12

to be a geneticist to look into something

38:14

like that. And when the geneticist finally started

38:16

getting around to looking into it, you know,

38:20

it was decades after

38:22

they made this stipulation. So

38:25

here they're getting away with it by

38:27

explaining schizophrenia as a genetic abnormality. When

38:30

the geneticist began to look into it, they go,

38:32

hey, we don't see anything. We

38:34

don't see a genetic gene. There's

38:36

nothing there. So

38:39

they went, oh, well, it's not just one gene.

38:41

It's a bunch of genes, and they're all interconnected

38:43

like this, and you'll never figure it out, but

38:45

we know it's due to genes. But we figure

38:47

it out. You won't figure it out, but we'll

38:49

figure it out. Yeah, that's right. We'll

38:51

figure it out eventually. We know it's due to genes, and we'll

38:53

untangle it, and then we'll have the answer. You know, bull

38:56

crap. They had

38:58

no genetic proof at all.

39:01

And even though there might be

39:03

a genetic predisposition, that doesn't rule

39:05

out other factors like

39:07

the way a schizophrenic mother

39:09

treats a kid. That

39:12

will install schizophrenia in a lot of

39:15

cases. There's a lot of other explanations

39:17

than that. So the

39:19

genetic thing was blown. They

39:21

needed something else now to

39:24

explain schizophrenia and get

39:27

a disbelieving public to believe in their

39:30

toxic drugs once again. Okay,

39:32

so they went to the chemical imbalance theory. Okay.

39:36

There is no chemical imbalance. They

39:39

didn't like that either, but

39:41

they're still pushing it because it

39:43

sells drugs. And

39:46

it's been disproven over and over and over

39:48

again. So

39:52

as I went along, more of

39:54

these patterns started

39:56

showing up. So I really

39:59

couldn't get that. to any serious research

40:02

until I went to work for, I

40:04

got out of the, well,

40:06

I got out of the PhD program,

40:09

moved to Arizona and worked for mental

40:11

health centers and worked for county

40:14

hospitals. Finally, I took a job with the

40:17

state prison in the psychology department. You

40:19

know, it was there that I

40:22

was really able to do some serious research into

40:24

what's going on with these voices.

40:26

Okay. What are they? And

40:30

I started

40:32

doubting that they were hallucinations, but

40:35

I had no explanation for, well, they're

40:37

not hallucinations and then what are they?

40:40

So there were tons of schizophrenics

40:43

in the prison. What they did is,

40:45

on Proposition 13 in California, they

40:48

felt they were paying too much taxes, property

40:50

taxes, so they

40:53

refused. It was a tax rebellion. So the state

40:55

went, okay, well, then we're going to have to

40:57

shut down the state hospitals. So

40:59

they did that. They dumped all these guys out

41:01

on the streets and now you can see them

41:04

hanging around the street corners in Los Angeles and

41:06

San Diego. They're all sleeping on the, you

41:09

know, they're homeless. They're sleeping

41:11

on the ground. They have no money.

41:14

They can't function, but the

41:16

state hospitals were closed down and

41:18

then they started committing crimes to survive.

41:20

So they got moved into the state

41:22

prisons. That whole population

41:24

went from the state hospital where it

41:27

was relatively inexpensive to keep them

41:29

there. You know, low

41:31

cost housing, these units were not

41:33

glamorous by any stretch of the

41:36

imagination. And they moved them into a prison

41:38

setting. Now they're paying a whole

41:40

lot more money to keep the same guys

41:43

controlled and confined. You have to pay for

41:45

security systems. You have to pay for guards.

41:47

You have to pay for counselors. You have

41:49

to pay for all

41:51

this other stuff. You know, the fences, the

41:54

barbed wire, the electronic stuff, much

41:56

more expensive to keep a schizophrenic

41:59

in a prison. And then it is in a state hospital.

42:02

So the state, the prison started filling

42:04

up with schizophrenics. You know, and

42:06

by then I was tired of working with them. I

42:08

was just burnt out. I mean, it was like I

42:11

was beating my head against the wall and

42:13

getting nowhere except these few patterns. And

42:20

so when I got there, I went, okay, here

42:22

they are again. And there was

42:24

nothing, you know, I

42:26

was developing programs. But it

42:29

was still like a puzzle to me is what

42:31

is going on in the heads of these people?

42:33

And what is driving them? So

42:36

what I did is I got

42:38

a group of them around me that

42:41

were willing to tell me in

42:43

real time what the voices were telling

42:45

them while

42:48

we were in session, okay. So

42:51

the agreement we had is, listen, I'll help you out as

42:53

much as I can. And

42:55

they were as interested in I was

42:58

as to what these voices were,

43:00

you know. Both of us were, they were

43:02

interested. I was interested. Neither one of us really

43:04

know what they were, you know.

43:07

They were experiencing them. So

43:10

I had a group of maybe 12 or 13 of these prisoners who

43:14

would tell me what the voices were doing around

43:16

me at all times. So

43:19

it was like real time. The

43:22

patient would say, well, the voices are telling me

43:24

this. And I'd say,

43:26

well, okay, tell them this. And

43:28

so I was able to kind of carry

43:31

a conversation on with them during

43:33

those times. And these conversations were

43:36

completely lucid and

43:38

coherent. But

43:40

the content was always

43:42

very nasty, you know.

43:45

It was like they were mocking the patient. They were

43:48

trying to control him. They were calling

43:50

me names. They

43:53

were interfering with what I was trying to

43:55

tell the patient. You know,

43:57

it was clear that there was a.

44:01

conscious entity there.

44:05

I didn't understand its nature. I knew at

44:08

that time that it was negative. I

44:10

knew it was anti-religious. And

44:15

what I noticed next

44:17

was this voice or these

44:19

voices would work to create

44:22

negative emotion. They would foster

44:24

and create negative emotion. And

44:30

I also noticed before I even got there when

44:33

I was working at the state hospital is

44:35

every time the voices showed up and

44:39

attacked the patient, their energy level

44:41

dropped to almost nothing. The

44:44

same thing happened in

44:46

the prison. So 2,000 miles

44:48

away from Georgia, here's the

44:51

same patterns appearing in schizophrenics

44:53

in the prison. The

44:56

voices were negative. They were anti-religious. And

44:58

every time they appeared, the

45:01

patient was devoid of energy. Their

45:04

energy level dropped to nothing. So

45:07

it was like there was a one-to-one correlation

45:09

between the voices showing up and

45:14

their energy level dropping. So

45:17

I'm like, what's

45:19

with that? And

45:23

I would point this out to

45:25

the patients. They

45:27

didn't see that correlation. It

45:29

was strange because a

45:31

lot of them had been hearing the voices for

45:33

years. So we're talking maybe tens

45:36

of thousands of times the voices came

45:38

and attacked them. And each time they

45:40

were attacked, their energy level dropped to

45:42

nothing. And they could

45:44

sense that, but they couldn't make that link. They

45:48

couldn't make that correlation. So

45:52

when I tried to point it up to them, I'd

45:55

talk to them like, okay,

45:57

every time the voices come, your energy.

46:00

level after they leave your energy level

46:02

drops to nothing doesn't it? I go well yeah. So

46:05

well what do you think is causing that energy

46:07

drop? Like I don't know I

46:10

have no idea you know I'd

46:12

say well if

46:14

you stuck your hand in a fire a thousand

46:17

times and each time your hand got burned

46:20

what would be burning you? They

46:23

didn't have any trouble with saying well it would be the

46:25

fire but then you turn that

46:27

around you go well if the voices came 10 000

46:29

times and each time you were drained

46:32

of energy every time they came where's your

46:34

energy going or what's

46:36

affecting it? Oh I

46:38

don't know they just couldn't

46:40

make it they couldn't make the connection. Some

46:43

of them did and that's what

46:45

they need to know you know these

46:47

things are parasites these

46:49

are energetic parasites they're feeding off

46:52

these people they have to turn

46:54

their emotional state negative before they

46:56

can take their energy because it's

46:58

a very low vibrational energy these

47:00

are very low vibrational entities

47:04

okay so they are

47:06

parasites so we're not the top of the food

47:08

chain okay and

47:11

the way they attack is they will

47:14

put thoughts see psychology

47:17

and psychiatry don't they don't study

47:19

the mind they don't study thoughts

47:22

they have no idea where thoughts come from they

47:25

don't even look at it they go well we

47:28

can't measure it we can't study it we can't talk

47:30

to it we can't see it we

47:33

can't so we're just staying

47:35

out of that area we'll study behavior instead

47:38

they don't realize that behavior comes from thought

47:41

you know the thought comes first and then the behavior

47:43

so in the other in order to understand the behavior

47:45

you have to understand the thought and where the thoughts

47:47

are coming from I

47:50

had no idea where thoughts were coming from at that point

47:53

but I knew they were coming from outside the patient

47:56

because they would tell me that you

47:58

know okay I'm hearing this now I'm And

48:00

they're telling me this now. You

48:02

know, so what it looked like was the

48:04

like the brain was a radio receiver

48:07

for these entities. Had

48:10

a bunch of different frequencies and

48:12

it was stuck on a very

48:14

low frequency channel. Okay.

48:17

So they were able to pick up

48:20

these entities. And

48:27

that's what it looked like. And that's, you know,

48:29

I would tell them these things and they would

48:32

agree. They'd say, yeah, yeah, that's kind of what

48:34

it's like. So they

48:36

would, what happened would be in

48:39

the prison, it would be pattern after

48:41

pattern after pattern would

48:43

show up. Okay. So what these

48:46

patterns were is like, you know,

48:50

if you're, if

48:53

you got a big magnet with

48:55

a big heavy magnetic field, okay.

48:58

And you're just sitting it on your desk. You can't

49:00

see that field. You can't taste it. You can't touch

49:02

it. You can't feel it. You can't sense it in

49:04

any way. So for all practical

49:07

purposes, it doesn't exist

49:10

unless you know about it. So if you took it into,

49:12

you know, people 200 years

49:15

ago, showed them this

49:17

magnet, they wouldn't know what it

49:19

was, you know. It's only after you

49:21

put a piece of metal in there and it gets

49:23

stuck to it, then you can see that there's

49:25

something operating there. Okay.

49:28

So with a magnet, if

49:31

you get a bottle of iron filings and you

49:33

put it on the magnetic field, now you can

49:35

see the shape of the magnetic field. Okay.

49:38

Now it appears. Otherwise it's not,

49:40

it's not perceivable.

49:43

Now that, these patterns are the same

49:45

thing. These entities are

49:48

energetic. They're energy. There

49:50

is no time. There is no space. There

49:52

is no matter where they exist. You

49:54

know, they can go through things. They can go

49:57

into your mind. They can put thoughts into your

49:59

mind. And

50:04

they put thoughts in your mind that

50:06

upset you, like you're no

50:09

good, you're rotten, you're ugly, you're stupid,

50:11

you're dumb. Every rotten thing that

50:13

you can think of is

50:16

coming into your mind from these entities. Any

50:22

negative thought about yourself, Sherry Sweeney says,

50:24

any negative thought about yourself or anybody

50:26

else comes from

50:28

these entities. So

50:30

they can insert thoughts into

50:32

your thought stream, and

50:34

they sound just like your thoughts. So

50:37

it's not like when they're active you hear a voice

50:39

that goes, oh, I'm the voice and

50:41

you better listen to me because I've got to tell you

50:43

some stuff. Nothing like that.

50:45

It sounds just like the thousands of other thoughts

50:47

that come through your mind on a normal day.

50:50

Only the content is very different.

50:56

And they hit us all. It's not just schizophrenics.

50:58

They hit everybody. One

51:01

example I show is here

51:03

in Arizona, most people don't

51:05

have lawns. We just go out in the backyard

51:08

with a machete and cut down the cactus to

51:10

keep them from overgrowing the place. So

51:13

I'm out in the backyard with a machete and I'm

51:15

cutting down cactus, and I have

51:17

a beautiful white husky

51:21

dog. And she's

51:23

running around back there and as I'm cutting

51:25

cactus, and she runs right by – here

51:27

she just appeared – she

51:29

runs right by, and here's this thought that comes

51:31

into my head, like cut off her

51:33

head. And I'm like, what? What?

51:37

I'm just like –

51:39

I'd never do anything like that. I would

51:41

never think anything like that on my own.

51:45

And I was shocked that this thought even came into

51:48

my head, and it upset me. That's

51:51

how they operate. Everybody has

51:53

those kinds of thoughts. You might

51:55

be driving down the highway and you go, I wonder what

51:57

would happen if I turned into the traffic? I

52:00

wonder what happened if you're standing on the edge of a bridge

52:03

and you

52:06

jump off the bridge. I

52:09

had a very

52:12

good preacher said he was standing on the edge

52:15

of the Grand Canyon and he had a thought

52:17

jump into his head, jump. So

52:20

they hit us all. And they hit

52:22

us all by putting negative, nasty

52:24

thoughts into our minds. And

52:27

then they tried to get us to act on those

52:29

thoughts as if they were our thoughts. So

52:32

what I found interesting was a lot

52:35

of these prisoners would act, they would

52:37

ask the voices, who are you? What

52:40

are you? What do you

52:42

think the voices would say? Well,

52:46

I know I think they are. I

52:49

don't think that they're going to admit that though. No,

52:53

they won't. What they said, we are you. They

52:56

want the patient to believe that

52:58

that thought belongs to them, that

53:01

they are those thoughts that are being

53:04

inserted into their head. So

53:06

if you think you're your thoughts, you're

53:08

screwed. So you

53:10

look at all the crap that goes through your head on a

53:12

regular day. All

53:15

this stuff you know, all this stuff you

53:17

think about, all this stuff on the radio,

53:20

the television, it's constant chatter. If

53:24

that's you, then who is listening

53:26

to that? Your

53:30

thoughts are not who you are. So

53:35

if these things can get the

53:37

patient to believe that their thoughts

53:39

are them, that those thoughts

53:41

belong to them, then they can

53:43

turn that patient into what the

53:46

voices want them to be, which

53:49

is violent, nasty, abusive, insensitive,

53:53

callous criminals. The

53:57

more pain they cause to others, the more they

53:59

like it. They thrive off of

54:01

that pain that they cause to others. And

54:04

they thrive off the pain they cause to the patient. They

54:08

feed off of that. So

54:10

we're not the top of the food chain here. So

54:16

if they can get the patient to believe

54:20

what they're telling them, and

54:22

the patient believes that every thought that comes

54:24

into their mind is them, is who they

54:26

are, then they turn into what these voices

54:29

want them to turn into, which

54:31

are psychotic criminal psychopaths.

54:35

All right. Wow.

54:39

So these patterns kept coming and coming and coming.

54:43

So the voices, they foster

54:45

and create negative emotion. They

54:47

energetically drain their victims. They

54:50

get louder after sunset, which

54:53

is odd. They get loudest between three and four

54:55

in the morning. They

54:58

get louder when ignored. Okay.

55:00

So they will not be ignored. I

55:03

remember sitting in with a psychiatrist at the

55:06

state hospital where the

55:08

patient was telling him, well, the

55:10

voices are still there. And the

55:12

doctor goes, well, okay, I'll increase

55:14

your meds. Just ignore them. They're

55:16

hallucinations. They're not real. You

55:18

know, you can't tell somebody who's experiencing these

55:20

things that they're not real. I

55:23

mean, to them, they're very real. Okay. So

55:26

he tells them, well, just ignore them. So,

55:28

you know, I called the patient and two weeks later and

55:30

I asked him, like, well, you know, I was in there

55:32

with you when the doctor told you to ignore the voices.

55:35

How'd that work for you? It doesn't work at

55:38

all. They got louder. So

55:40

I started asking others, what happened when you tried

55:42

to ignore them? All of them

55:44

said you can't ignore them. They just get

55:46

louder and louder and louder and more persistent.

55:48

They will not be ignored. Okay.

55:51

Another pattern. Okay. They

55:54

foster self-destructive behavior. You

55:56

know, I have always a number

55:59

of clients. that we had at the

56:01

Psych Rehab Center who were studying to

56:03

be these vocational classes,

56:06

to be auto mechanics and

56:08

janitors and beauticians. You

56:10

know, the ones who were hearing voices as

56:13

they approached succeeding in their

56:15

schooling, they would do

56:17

something that completely messed them up.

56:20

They'd attack somebody, they'd scream at

56:22

the teacher, they'd start throwing things,

56:24

they'd do something that would sabotage

56:26

them. Okay? And that

56:29

happened time after time after time

56:31

as they were approaching succeeding at

56:33

their classes. It was like almost

56:35

to be expected with people who were hearing voices.

56:38

So they foster self-destructive behavior

56:42

and virtually, they are

56:44

behind virtually every suicide of a schizophrenic.

56:47

So schizophrenic suicide at five

56:50

times the rate of normal population. And

56:53

what's interesting, so does psychiatrists. Their

56:57

suicide rates are virtually identical.

57:01

And the thought

57:03

behind, oh, go ahead and kill

57:05

yourself, are the voices. They're

57:08

telling schizophrenics that all the time. Just go

57:10

to just kill yourself. You

57:13

know, that creates a lot of

57:15

negative emotion. An

57:17

awful lot. And they feed on that. They

57:21

foster isolation. Schizophrenics don't like

57:23

being around people. They want

57:25

to be off to themselves listening to

57:27

these voices. That's the worst thing that

57:30

could happen. You know, it's

57:32

for them to be isolated. They need to

57:34

be active. They need to be doing things.

57:36

They need to be doing hobbies. Because

57:39

if they're just isolated, and

57:42

the voices want them isolated, so you know,

57:44

what happens in a typical family is when

57:46

the parents say, hey,

57:49

we're tired of you sitting around just, you

57:51

know, looking at your TV

57:53

or staring at your walls

57:55

or blocking yourself in your bedroom, get

57:57

out and do something. The

58:00

patient gets infront of it, gets abusive, you

58:02

know, and starts a fight. And

58:04

then it gets so intense over and over

58:06

again that the family goes, okay, get out

58:09

of here. Leave us alone.

58:11

Just go in your room. Stay there and don't

58:13

come out. Just

58:15

don't bother us. Just stay there. You

58:17

know? That's exactly what the voices want. Okay?

58:22

And that's the worst thing that could happen,

58:25

you know? The voices demand

58:27

the attention of the victim. They're

58:29

constantly moving to obtain

58:31

more and more control. Okay?

58:34

They're constantly fighting for more and more control.

58:38

And I've talked to a number of patients

58:40

when the voices first started off, they would start

58:42

off by saying, hey, pick up that pencil

58:45

or walk over to that chair. Sit

58:47

down. Stand up. You know, simple

58:49

commands. It was like somebody learning how to drive

58:51

a car. Like, how much control do I have

58:53

here? You know? It was like

58:55

they were experimenting with how much control they had.

58:58

So, that goes on and on and on. You

59:01

know, them trying to take more and more

59:03

control until you have these psychotic killers that just

59:06

run out into the streets, start shooting people

59:08

randomly. Okay. They

59:11

gaslight. They

59:14

manipulate perception. Now, the

59:17

other thing they do is they have pretty

59:19

much complete access to schizophrenic memory.

59:22

They can go in there and they can pull

59:25

up every rotten thing the schizophrenic did and say,

59:27

hey, you remember when you did this rotten thing?

59:30

You know, how do you feel about that? You know? So,

59:33

what they do is they stir the pot

59:35

constantly. They want them feeling bad. They want

59:37

them feeling guilty. They

59:39

want them feeling sad and whatever

59:45

negative feeling they can generate. Okay?

59:48

So, I'm not going to go through all these. There's like 23 of them. But

59:52

the bottom line is if the

59:54

voices are running patterns, which

59:56

they are, you know, they

59:58

can't be hallucination. Hallucinations

1:00:01

don't run patterns. So

1:00:03

you can go to my website

1:00:05

at jerrymarcinski.com, go to articles,

1:00:07

and pull up a list of

1:00:10

all these patterns that these voices

1:00:12

run. And

1:00:14

these are fixed patterns. And it's not

1:00:16

just one schizophrenic that runs them. It's

1:00:19

virtually all of them. The

1:00:23

schizophrenics in

1:00:26

Georgia, in the state hospital in Georgia, were

1:00:28

hearing the same voices running

1:00:30

the same patterns that they're hearing

1:00:32

here in Arizona. And

1:00:35

now that I'm working worldwide,

1:00:39

it's the same thing with people in other countries.

1:00:42

These are the same patterns. Now,

1:00:48

these patterns are the operational definition

1:00:51

of what the voices are.

1:00:55

So it's like the magnetic – it's

1:00:57

like the iron filings in a magnetic field.

1:01:01

This is what they are. Now,

1:01:04

psychiatry is not even in the same ballpark.

1:01:08

They're still believing these things are hallucinations.

1:01:10

They're still teaching that in the

1:01:12

colleges, in the graduate schools. They're

1:01:14

teaching it in the medical schools. They're teaching

1:01:16

it in psychology. None

1:01:20

of what they're teaching is helping anybody. Those

1:01:24

drugs that the psychiatrists are dishing out

1:01:26

are not curing anything. The

1:01:29

psychotherapy that they're teaching in the universities

1:01:32

is not curing anything. There

1:01:39

is one system

1:01:41

that has come up, and it's

1:01:43

called the MACE Energy Method. This

1:01:46

system will go in and it will

1:01:48

remove psychological problems. It will get rid

1:01:51

of them because most psychological problems

1:01:53

are caused by trauma, and that trauma is buried in the sub-g conscious

1:02:00

and it stays there. So it's like

1:02:02

a, it's like a computer virus

1:02:04

in your brain. That's, it's

1:02:06

not evident. You're not

1:02:08

aware of it, but it's, it's working

1:02:11

on you. It's affecting your behavior in

1:02:13

a negative way. Okay.

1:02:16

So instead

1:02:18

of taking psychiatry's drugs that don't

1:02:21

cure anything, you know,

1:02:23

you guys can go and look up a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

1:02:25

a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

1:02:27

case, a, a, a, a face, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

1:02:30

a, a, a, a, a, a, every, every, every

1:02:32

sort of forms of physical activity within

1:02:34

the mission of being able to hear

1:02:36

people. That's where you

1:02:38

arrive, when you actually experience the emotional

1:02:52

within the word. Andappoint how you learn, presented

1:02:54

using what I wrote and how you actually

1:02:57

solved psychological problems and got rid of them.

1:02:59

Okay. And it, it happens very quickly.

1:03:04

And it happens

1:03:06

because these, these entities

1:03:09

and thoughts are energetic. Okay.

1:03:12

They're not physical. They're energetic. In

1:03:15

the energetic universe, there is no time, there is no

1:03:17

space, and there is no matter. Okay.

1:03:19

Your thoughts are energy. Your memories are

1:03:21

energy. Your feelings are energy. You

1:03:24

know, your thinking is energy. This

1:03:27

is all energy. And all psych,

1:03:29

all psychiatry is doing is drugging the brain.

1:03:33

You know, so it's like pouring syrup into

1:03:35

the radio receiver, you know, they'll

1:03:37

gum it up. So it's like,

1:03:39

you're, you're like, you know, but

1:03:41

it doesn't cure anything. Now

1:03:44

they're not going to watch this, this system

1:03:46

getting out, which is the reason I mention

1:03:48

it, because instead of taking

1:03:51

their toxic drugs, go and

1:03:53

try a mace practitioner. This

1:03:56

stuff actually works. And I was waiting my

1:03:58

entire life for something. like this to show

1:04:00

up. As a matter of fact, one

1:04:04

of the other practitioners was talking to

1:04:06

a clinical psychologist that was going, well,

1:04:08

where's this been? Where's this been all

1:04:10

my life? Well,

1:04:13

it's just coming out right now. So

1:04:16

you have psychologists that are now signing

1:04:19

up to become MACE practitioners. And

1:04:25

if it doesn't get rid of the voices, it will get

1:04:27

rid of a lot of the stuff that feeds the voices

1:04:29

so it'll make things better. It works.

1:04:34

So running these

1:04:36

patterns, back

1:04:39

then I was going like, okay, I see

1:04:41

patterns appearing. And I'm like, okay,

1:04:43

what'll happen if I start throwing monkey

1:04:45

wrenches into those patterns? So

1:04:49

I started experimenting with that with the

1:04:51

groups of prisoners I had to try

1:04:54

this, try it

1:04:56

for a week, come back and tell me next week the

1:04:58

effect it had on the voices. And

1:05:00

I was always asking these guys questions, question after

1:05:03

question after question, what are they saying? What are

1:05:05

they doing now? How are they reacting to what

1:05:07

I'm saying? How are they reacting to the exercises

1:05:09

I gave you? So it

1:05:13

slowly started showing up that they didn't

1:05:15

like monkey wrenches being

1:05:17

thrown into their patterns. And

1:05:21

that started showing up by one after

1:05:23

another after another of these guys showing

1:05:25

up and saying, the voices

1:05:27

don't like what you're doing. They

1:05:30

don't like this stuff. They

1:05:32

don't like you interfering. And

1:05:35

they're getting pissed off with you. So

1:05:37

one shows up and says that. And

1:05:39

they didn't know each other. It was a pretty big unit.

1:05:41

They didn't know each other. Another

1:05:44

one would come in later on. The voices are

1:05:46

really getting pissed with you. They

1:05:48

don't like this. Then another one, then

1:05:50

another one, then another one. And

1:05:54

then I'm like, OK, I must be on the

1:05:56

right track. So if they're not liking it, that's

1:05:59

good. I'm going to throw at them

1:06:01

whatever they don't like. Now, you couldn't do

1:06:03

that in the state hospital because if one of them went

1:06:05

off, then they'd come

1:06:07

running you, what'd you say to him? What'd you do to him?

1:06:09

How come you upset him? It

1:06:11

wasn't the same at the state prison. You

1:06:13

know, it's like if one of these guys

1:06:15

got upset, then he went up to the

1:06:17

warden and said, oh, the psycho told

1:06:20

me to do something and I didn't like it or

1:06:22

he was asking me too many questions and I didn't like

1:06:24

it, the warden would go, get out of my face, man.

1:06:26

Go play in the traffic. Get out of here. They

1:06:30

wouldn't pay any attention to it. The whole

1:06:32

prison system was set up for people

1:06:34

getting upset. It

1:06:37

was designed to handle that.

1:06:39

Yeah. So

1:06:45

the only risk I was

1:06:47

taking was kind of

1:06:50

prodding them. But

1:06:52

the way I was raised, my dad

1:06:55

had a nasty temper and

1:06:57

he was irrational a lot of the time and

1:07:00

I couldn't fight him physically. But

1:07:02

what I could do is drive him to the

1:07:05

verge of insanity and then back off and just

1:07:07

leave him with the load. Okay.

1:07:10

I became very good at that. That's

1:07:14

the way I fought back. Now, the

1:07:16

consequences were disastrous if I made the

1:07:19

wrong judgment. If I pushed him just

1:07:21

a little bit too far, the whole

1:07:23

load would come down and not only

1:07:25

would that load come down, but all

1:07:27

the loads that were built up behind

1:07:29

it would come down also. So the

1:07:31

consequences for making a mistake in judgment

1:07:33

as to how far I could push

1:07:35

him were

1:07:38

catastrophic. But it was the

1:07:40

best training I could have ever had for

1:07:42

working with schizophrenics. There was no better training

1:07:45

anywhere. The

1:07:47

whole undergraduate school, the graduate school,

1:07:49

there was no better training than

1:07:51

that. So what I was able

1:07:53

to do was push these guys for information to

1:07:56

the point of them exploding and then

1:07:58

back off with the information. And that

1:08:00

came in very handy when I was working. The

1:08:04

last 10 years, when I was

1:08:06

working site crisis in the emergency rooms, you

1:08:09

know, in order to make the diagnosis and see

1:08:11

how bad this guy was, how dangerous he was,

1:08:13

that was an invaluable asset. So in the prison,

1:08:15

I would use it. I'd

1:08:18

push him, push him, push him until I got all the

1:08:20

information I could get out of them. And that was very

1:08:22

useful because I got a lot of information. So

1:08:28

one after another, they started showing up and going,

1:08:30

the voices don't like you. They don't like what

1:08:32

you're doing. They don't like these exercises you're giving

1:08:34

us. And, you know,

1:08:37

okay, one after another after another. And I'm going, okay,

1:08:39

they don't like it. Tough crap. You know, let

1:08:41

them go jump

1:08:43

in a lake. Then

1:08:47

one day when I was finished with one of them, he

1:08:49

turns around in the doorway. He looks at me and he goes,

1:08:52

you know what you're doing is dangerous, don't you? I

1:08:56

never thought about it. You know, it's like – and

1:08:59

I'm just looking at him. He's looking at me. And I'm like, where

1:09:02

did that come from? And he turns and he walks

1:09:04

away. And I'm like, what was

1:09:06

that all about? You

1:09:09

know? So

1:09:12

just like with that other, I tucked it in the back of

1:09:15

my mind. It didn't stop me. I went, okay,

1:09:17

just keep that in mind. But

1:09:20

it didn't stop anything I was doing. Okay?

1:09:25

So I kept throwing monkey wrenches in

1:09:27

these patterns. You know, the 23rd Psalm

1:09:29

was one of them. Every

1:09:33

time you hear the voices say

1:09:35

that's a lie because they're consummate liars.

1:09:37

They lie about everything. You

1:09:40

can't trust them to follow through with anything

1:09:42

that they say they're going to do. And

1:09:46

it gets so bad that there were

1:09:48

two patients where they told them, gouge

1:09:51

out your eye and we'll go away and we won't ever

1:09:53

come back. The patient gouges

1:09:55

out his eye. He's now a

1:09:57

freak. And they show up immediately and he says,

1:10:00

you know, start laughing at him and mocking him

1:10:02

and saying, well, you listen to

1:10:04

us. That's how stupid you are. You know, that's what

1:10:06

you get for listening to us. And they

1:10:08

start laughing at him and mocking him. You

1:10:10

know, that's how vile these

1:10:12

creatures are. You know, they're very

1:10:14

nasty. So

1:10:19

that was the first warning

1:10:21

shot. Second one was sitting

1:10:23

in my office one day and one of these people I'm

1:10:25

working with comes and gets

1:10:28

in. I don't know how they got past the guard, but they got

1:10:30

past the guard. They come knock on my door. I open

1:10:32

it and I said, well, you

1:10:35

know, I don't have a pass for you at

1:10:37

this time. He goes, that's all right. So I

1:10:39

just need to talk to you for a minute.

1:10:41

He said, the voices want to talk to you.

1:10:45

And I said, they want to talk to me

1:10:47

personally. He goes, yeah, they want to talk to

1:10:49

you personally. That had never happened before. In

1:10:52

like, you know, 25 years that had never

1:10:54

happened before. It was always the

1:10:57

patient would tell me what the voices were

1:10:59

saying and I would respond. Tell the patient

1:11:01

well, tell the voices this. It was

1:11:03

never a direct conversation. Okay.

1:11:06

So I said, okay, come on in. Have

1:11:10

a seat. Close the door. Got in

1:11:12

my chair and I said, what did they have to say? And

1:11:16

these words came out of his mouth. You

1:11:18

have no right to interfere

1:11:21

with our way of life.

1:11:24

Boom. Just like that. My

1:11:27

head just exploded. I mean, it was like

1:11:29

my denial system was already in tatters. Anybody

1:11:32

who was researching this stuff that had as

1:11:34

much information as I had by that point

1:11:37

would have long ago said, yeah, these

1:11:39

are entities. I didn't want to believe

1:11:41

that. You know, it just didn't

1:11:43

make sense. I'm going to, well, it's got to be

1:11:45

their subconscious or there's got to be something else going

1:11:47

on. When they

1:11:49

said our way of

1:11:51

life, plural, that

1:11:54

one sentence, it was like, boom,

1:11:57

my denial system collapsed. That was it.

1:12:00

It was gone. It was at

1:12:02

that point that I knew for sure

1:12:04

that these were entities. These weren't hallucinations.

1:12:07

These weren't some figment of

1:12:09

the patient's imagination. They were

1:12:12

talking directly to me. And

1:12:14

I would say, I said something like,

1:12:16

well, tell them this. And

1:12:20

the prisoner said, I don't have to tell them anything.

1:12:22

They can hear what you're saying. I'm

1:12:25

like, oh, you know, I

1:12:28

hadn't thought about that before. And

1:12:33

he also said that they can

1:12:35

see everything around you too.

1:12:38

So they can see you, they can hear you. So

1:12:42

here's like another entity that

1:12:44

is, they

1:12:46

could hear me whether they were inside

1:12:48

the person or outside. Because

1:12:52

when they get very strong, they will

1:12:54

move outside of the patient. And they'll

1:12:56

start talking to them from the outside.

1:12:58

And that's really freaky. Because

1:13:00

now you have a discarnate something talking

1:13:02

to you from outside. And it doesn't

1:13:05

sound like your thoughts anymore. This is

1:13:07

something separate outside you. They

1:13:09

only do that when they feel they got you trapped,

1:13:11

when they got you under control. They

1:13:14

won't do that before then. So

1:13:17

this prisoner, he goes, that wasn't me. He goes,

1:13:19

I swear that wasn't me talking. That was them.

1:13:23

And I think I asked them, I said, are you messing with

1:13:25

me? Which would have been a dangerous thing

1:13:27

for him to do. And he said, no, no, I'm not messing with

1:13:31

that. That was them. They told you that.

1:13:35

And I was freaked out. I mean, I was

1:13:37

just, I freaked out after he left, I closed

1:13:39

my office and I just sat staring out the

1:13:42

window for the rest of the day. It's like,

1:13:44

where's this going? I don't have

1:13:46

any cognitive map of this. There's no

1:13:50

information about this anywhere.

1:13:53

It's like,

1:13:56

where's it going? Where's it headed? How

1:13:58

dangerous is it? But

1:14:00

I still wasn't really worried about

1:14:02

it because I was thinking,

1:14:04

well, these voices are in their heads.

1:14:07

They might convince the patient

1:14:09

to attack me, okay? But

1:14:12

I think I was aware enough to be

1:14:15

able to sense something like that coming on, so

1:14:17

I wasn't really worried about it. My

1:14:20

dad's training. So

1:14:24

I negated that, but

1:14:27

I was still like, okay, where's this going?

1:14:30

I wasn't so much worried about it because I'm

1:14:32

going, well, these are not physical entities. They

1:14:35

can't attack me physically. They might be able

1:14:37

to convince one of these guys to attack

1:14:39

me, but I think I'm acute

1:14:42

enough to be able to pick that up

1:14:44

when the patient's getting upset enough to back

1:14:46

off. So I wasn't worried about that

1:14:48

that much, but where

1:14:51

was it headed? And

1:14:55

this was clearly a shot across my bow, telling

1:14:58

me I had no right to be there. I had

1:15:00

no right to be doing what I was doing. So

1:15:05

I didn't stop. I

1:15:07

kept throwing monkey wrenches into

1:15:09

these patterns, and

1:15:11

then I think

1:15:14

it might have been even the same guy.

1:15:17

I don't know. He

1:15:20

comes in one day, and what

1:15:23

I had was a book

1:15:26

called The Voice of Knowledge by Miguel Ruiz, who

1:15:28

was a South American shaman. And

1:15:30

I read a paragraph in

1:15:33

there where he was talking

1:15:35

about these things as if

1:15:37

they were entities also. They

1:15:40

were negative entities and that they were feeding off

1:15:42

of people. So it was the same thing that

1:15:44

I saw. So

1:15:47

I brought that book into the prison, brought this

1:15:49

guy in who – the voices had warned me,

1:15:52

and I said, I got a

1:15:54

paragraph here from this shaman. I want to read

1:15:56

it to you and tell me what

1:15:58

you think about it. So

1:16:00

I started reading it and

1:16:03

I got to the part where

1:16:06

it was talking about these entities

1:16:08

being parasitic entities, negative entities, and

1:16:11

that they were stealing, actually feeding off

1:16:13

of people's energy. And

1:16:17

I finished that sentence and I looked up

1:16:20

and I asked him, well, what do

1:16:22

you think? And he's staring at me like a

1:16:24

zombie. He's just like, oh,

1:16:26

just like a focused zombie look.

1:16:29

And I'm like, uh-oh, what's that all about?

1:16:32

He didn't say anything. I

1:16:35

said, what do

1:16:37

you think? He didn't say anything. He

1:16:39

just sat there staring like a zombie.

1:16:41

And I went – I got a sense

1:16:44

he's going to attack, so I pushed my

1:16:46

chair against the wall and faced him. So if

1:16:48

he did attack, he wouldn't knock me over. The

1:16:51

wall would support the chair and I'd be able to kick him

1:16:53

back and do something.

1:16:55

I mean, at least that wasn't at a total disadvantage

1:16:58

sitting in the chair that he could knock over. And

1:17:01

he's just sitting there staring

1:17:03

at me, and then behind my

1:17:05

back, here's this

1:17:07

eruption of sound. It was like

1:17:09

crack, crack, crack, crack. It sounded

1:17:11

just like an arc welder. It

1:17:14

was loud, just

1:17:16

like an arc welder. I mean, I have one.

1:17:20

It was like crack, crack, crack, crack. And

1:17:23

I'd look and I jumped

1:17:26

onto the wall to my right, and

1:17:28

it's going up the wall at a 45-degree angle. Crack,

1:17:31

crack, crack, crack. I don't see

1:17:33

anything. I don't smell anything. It's

1:17:35

just this loud crackling. And

1:17:37

I turned to him and I said, do you hear that? He

1:17:40

says nothing. He just keeps staring. And

1:17:43

I was afraid to take my eyes off of him, but I wanted to

1:17:45

see if I could see what this

1:17:47

was doing that. I couldn't see anything. I could just

1:17:49

hear it. It was moving at

1:17:51

a 45-degree angle up the right-hand wall

1:17:53

of my office toward the ceiling. Once

1:17:56

it got to the ceiling, I could keep my eye

1:17:58

on him and the sound at the ceiling. you know,

1:18:00

kind of real quick switch back and forth. I

1:18:03

didn't want to take my eyes off him. I didn't know what he was

1:18:05

going to do. That

1:18:07

thing crackled all the way across the

1:18:10

ceiling. And he's

1:18:12

still sitting there staring at me like a zombie.

1:18:14

And I'm totally freaked out of my mind. Not

1:18:16

only is this guy acting weird,

1:18:19

here's this crackling that's moving around my

1:18:22

office and it's loud and it's

1:18:24

not just 15, 20 seconds. It's

1:18:27

like 25, 30 seconds. It's

1:18:29

just going and going and going and going. And

1:18:32

it's like, what's going on here?

1:18:34

What's happening? And then it

1:18:37

gets down to the bottom of the left wall

1:18:39

and it jumps into this rubber-made trash can by

1:18:42

my left leg. And I bend over

1:18:44

and I look down in there, there's nothing there. The

1:18:47

MA porter had cleaned it the day before.

1:18:49

There's nothing in there. It's just an empty

1:18:52

plastic bag. And then boom, it

1:18:54

goes out just like that. The sound is, it goes

1:18:56

dead. And

1:18:58

I look at this guy like I'm

1:19:01

stunned. I mean, I'm just, at this point I'm reeling.

1:19:05

And he slowly gets up and he goes, I got

1:19:09

to leave. And

1:19:11

he slowly gets up and he shuffles out of

1:19:13

the office and I'm going, get

1:19:16

the hell out of here, go. Get

1:19:18

to go. And I'm sitting

1:19:20

there, I'm like blown away. I mean,

1:19:22

just what just happened? I

1:19:25

got no cognitive map for any of this. You

1:19:28

know, there's no, where's

1:19:30

this going? What just happened? And

1:19:33

I get up and I examine the walls

1:19:35

to see if there's any burn marks on

1:19:37

it because my association with crackling that intense

1:19:39

has always been burn marks. Even

1:19:41

if it's an electrical short, there's a burn mark.

1:19:44

You know, with the arc welder there's a burn mark.

1:19:46

There's no burn marks anywhere. Not

1:19:48

anywhere on the wall, not in the trash can, nowhere.

1:19:51

And I'm like, it was like somebody just punched

1:19:53

me in the head. And I'm like, what

1:19:56

just happened? So I go out into

1:19:58

the hallway and I look in the hallway. with all

1:20:01

the doctor's offices are locked, the nurse's

1:20:03

office is locked, social, all

1:20:05

the offices are locked, nobody's back there.

1:20:08

There is no explanation for this at

1:20:10

all. So

1:20:13

I'm like completely blown

1:20:15

away. Again, lock my office, stare out

1:20:17

the window, like stunned.

1:20:20

I mean, just stunned. It was just like somebody

1:20:23

hit me in the back of the head with a two

1:20:25

by four. I'm just staring out the window like what is

1:20:27

going on? Am I going

1:20:29

crazy myself? Am I losing

1:20:31

my mind? I mean, all these and there was nobody

1:20:33

I could talk to about this. Forget

1:20:36

it. I tried to talk to my wife

1:20:39

about this once and she goes, no, no, you shouldn't

1:20:41

be picking through the minds of criminally insane people in

1:20:43

the first place. No, no, no, no, I don't want

1:20:45

to hear it. There's

1:20:49

nobody I could talk to except the

1:20:51

schizophrenics themselves. I mean, I could

1:20:53

talk to them about this stuff. It

1:20:55

was like, so I had a foot in both

1:20:58

worlds, but didn't fully belong

1:21:00

to either. So

1:21:06

I think three

1:21:09

or four months went by before I got the courage to

1:21:11

call this guy in again. So

1:21:14

finally I called him in. He

1:21:17

shows up in my office and he looks good.

1:21:19

I was expecting him to be a wreck. So

1:21:21

I'm thinking if the voices could

1:21:23

do that, they will destroy him

1:21:26

eventually. No, he looked good. I

1:21:28

was shocked. And I

1:21:30

said, you look good. I said, I

1:21:32

was expecting you to be a wreck. He

1:21:34

says, I said, how are

1:21:37

you doing with the voices? And he says, I'm keeping them under

1:21:39

control. I'm doing what you told me to do. I haven't

1:21:42

made any headway in getting rid of them,

1:21:44

but they're not taking any more control either.

1:21:47

So it was like a Mexican

1:21:49

standoff. I

1:21:54

asked him, I said, close the door. And

1:21:56

I said, after some small talk, I

1:21:58

said, Did you hear

1:22:00

that crackling in my office the last time

1:22:02

you were here? And he goes,

1:22:05

yeah, yeah, I heard it. But I've

1:22:07

surprised you did, meaning me. I

1:22:10

said, uh, I said, what

1:22:12

in the blazes was that? And

1:22:15

he says, that was them. I

1:22:17

said, them who the voices, he

1:22:19

goes, yeah, they were the voices. That was

1:22:22

the voices doing that. And

1:22:24

I'm like, okay, right away. It's like they're

1:22:27

affecting, they're affecting physical reality. They,

1:22:31

they caused that crackling. That was a

1:22:33

physical thing they were doing, which

1:22:37

made me even more alarmed because if they

1:22:39

can affect physical reality, it could also somehow

1:22:41

get at me. Yeah.

1:22:44

So some way. And,

1:22:48

uh, so I asked him, I said, well,

1:22:50

what, what were they doing? You know, what,

1:22:53

what, what were they doing? He goes, well,

1:22:55

they were trying to scare you off. I

1:22:58

said, well, they did a damn good job of

1:23:00

it. And I

1:23:02

said, uh, said, you

1:23:05

looked weird when you walked out of my office. You, you,

1:23:07

you looked like you were in some kind of zombie state.

1:23:10

I said, what were the voices telling you

1:23:12

as you were leaving my office

1:23:14

that day? He said,

1:23:16

they were telling me to go get a shank and stick it in

1:23:18

your gut. Gee. Shank it. Yeah.

1:23:21

Shank is a homemade prison knife. And

1:23:24

I'm thinking, I'm still thinking, oh, well, he wouldn't do

1:23:26

that. I've been working with him for six months. He's

1:23:28

made a lot of progress since we started. He wouldn't

1:23:30

do that. And I asked him, well,

1:23:33

then why, why didn't you do it? Just out of

1:23:36

curiosity. He said, well, no

1:23:38

one would give me one and I couldn't find one. I'm

1:23:44

like, oh my heavens. Now,

1:23:46

where is this going? Now,

1:23:49

so that

1:23:51

was a real wake up call, but,

1:23:53

uh, I

1:23:56

didn't stop and I didn't

1:23:58

stop. I kept going, going. And so we

1:24:03

started finding some ways to interrupt

1:24:06

the patterns of these

1:24:08

voices. Okay.

1:24:12

And one of those patterns is

1:24:14

to realize that these things are consummate liars.

1:24:17

Now, even for those

1:24:19

of us who consider ourselves

1:24:21

relatively normal, okay, when

1:24:23

you get a negative thought, 90% of

1:24:28

the time it's a lie. Call

1:24:31

it a lie. When

1:24:33

you start thinking negative things about yourself or

1:24:35

anybody else. Now, Sherri Sweeney, my

1:24:38

co-author, who wrote this book, she heard voices

1:24:40

when she was younger. She

1:24:42

beat them just by that tactic

1:24:44

alone. By every time

1:24:46

they show up, that's a lie. That's

1:24:48

a lie. That's a lie. You

1:24:51

know, you got that. They don't

1:24:53

like prayer. They hate the 23rd Psalm. They

1:24:56

hate Psalm 91. And

1:24:59

that's another thing that

1:25:02

can be done. Did

1:25:05

you say Psalm 91? Psalm

1:25:07

91. They don't like Psalm 91. They

1:25:09

don't like Psalm, the 23rd Psalm. They

1:25:14

really don't like the 23rd Psalm. So

1:25:16

if you repeat that every time they come, okay,

1:25:19

they don't like the Gregorian chants. They

1:25:26

don't like sage. So there's a number of things you

1:25:29

could do, you know, to

1:25:31

kind of weaken them. Don't get bored. Everybody

1:25:36

has two guardian angels watching over them all

1:25:38

the time. Ask

1:25:45

them for help. You can't, they won't, they

1:25:47

can't help you unless you ask. They're not

1:25:49

allowed. They're not allowed to interfere with your

1:25:51

free will. So they can't

1:25:53

barge in there like these negative entities

1:25:55

do and then just start feeding you

1:25:57

garbage, okay. Now,

1:26:01

the other thing is find

1:26:04

a MACE practitioner too, because in a

1:26:07

lot of cases, what

1:26:10

MACE calls as a negative identity

1:26:13

can cause some of these, a lot of

1:26:15

these same symptoms. Okay? And

1:26:17

even if there is a voice

1:26:19

there, an entity there, MACE

1:26:22

will remove a lot of what is

1:26:24

feeding them. So they feed off of

1:26:26

trauma. They feed off of negative ideation.

1:26:29

Yeah. They feed

1:26:32

off of all that kind of

1:26:34

stuff. So,

1:26:36

you know, taking a look

1:26:38

at all

1:26:40

that in perspective. Okay? So I've worked

1:26:43

in virtually every mental health setting there

1:26:46

is in the US. I mean,

1:26:48

mental health centers, private psychiatric hospitals,

1:26:51

county psychiatric hospitals, state

1:26:53

hospitals, the

1:26:55

state prison. I mean, I've got them all. Okay?

1:26:59

None of those people are being helped by any

1:27:02

of the stuff that they're going on there.

1:27:04

Nobody's being cured. Okay? And

1:27:07

you consider now that there

1:27:09

are more psychiatric drugs on this planet.

1:27:13

There are more psychiatrists and psychologists on

1:27:15

this planet than there

1:27:17

has ever been in the history of mankind.

1:27:19

And look at the mess we're in. The

1:27:22

prisons are filled to overflowing.

1:27:24

The state and mental hospitals

1:27:26

are filled to overflowing. The

1:27:28

mental health centers are overwhelmed.

1:27:31

Nobody is being cured. Okay?

1:27:35

The CDC reports 132 people

1:27:39

kill themselves in the US every

1:27:43

day, every day, every day,

1:27:45

132 people. Suicide

1:27:48

is the 11th leading cause of death

1:27:50

in the United States. And

1:27:53

most of those guys are

1:27:55

depressed. And they're depressed on

1:27:57

the psychiatric mafia's antidepressant drugs.

1:28:00

It hasn't impacted the suicide

1:28:02

rate at all. In

1:28:05

2021, 48,000 Americans killed themselves. Last

1:28:10

year, it was almost 50,000. 50,000

1:28:14

people, soldiers died in Vietnam, okay,

1:28:18

in 10 years. Every

1:28:20

year, 50,000 U.S. citizens

1:28:23

are killing themselves year

1:28:27

after year after year. And

1:28:30

this is with as

1:28:32

many psychiatric drugs as dump trucks

1:28:35

loads. I mean, they have mountains

1:28:38

of psychiatric drugs now. They're

1:28:40

graduating more and more psychologists and more and

1:28:42

more psychiatrists.

1:28:45

This situation isn't getting any better. You know,

1:28:47

between 2000 and 2018, suicide rates increased 37%.

1:28:55

An estimated 24 veterans are

1:28:57

killing themselves daily, okay. From

1:29:00

2006 to 2016, the suicide rate increased by 2% a year, with

1:29:05

1.4 million suicide attempts in 2017

1:29:08

and 47,000 deaths. That

1:29:14

is wild. That

1:29:17

is wild. This

1:29:20

has really taken a toll on, I think,

1:29:23

a larger amount of people than what

1:29:25

we can, or at least me, coming

1:29:27

into this conversation imagined. Earlier,

1:29:30

you were saying some things that

1:29:32

really kind of, you mentioned about

1:29:34

the voices that everybody has that, you know,

1:29:36

the thoughts that come into your mind. And

1:29:39

I could attest that it's something that I've

1:29:41

never thought about before a

1:29:43

whole lot. But I

1:29:45

remember when I used to drive truck, there would

1:29:48

be times that I would be standing

1:29:50

there next to a guy on a forklift. There's always a

1:29:52

guy on a forklift. It

1:29:54

was the weirdest thing, but there's always a guy on a forklift.

1:29:57

And I'd be standing next to him and he'd be signing

1:29:59

the paperwork. As he's looking down, signs of paperwork,

1:30:01

this thought in my head would be, man,

1:30:03

you could clock this guy in the face right now, and he would

1:30:05

never see it coming. Always a guy

1:30:07

on a forklift. And you talk about the

1:30:09

patterns. And I always thought that I just

1:30:11

had a sick mind. I was just like,

1:30:13

man, why do you always think about that

1:30:16

when somebody's signing your paperwork on

1:30:18

a forklift? Yeah, that's them. Yeah,

1:30:22

I mean, so I think that underneath

1:30:24

that idea, I

1:30:27

think that a lot of people don't

1:30:29

totally realize the depths

1:30:31

of the matter. I

1:30:33

had years ago, I'd say

1:30:35

probably at least three years ago now, there was

1:30:38

a guy that contacted me about his

1:30:40

girlfriend and him and his girlfriend wanted to sit down

1:30:42

and talk with me. And

1:30:44

he said that she was schizophrenic

1:30:47

and that they

1:30:50

wanted to sit and talk with me about what life was like. Being

1:30:53

the boyfriend of a schizophrenia, schizophrenic

1:30:56

person. And we

1:30:59

were planning the whole thing out. And then he came

1:31:02

back to me and said that she's

1:31:04

not gonna talk to me, that

1:31:06

she essentially she was scared to talk

1:31:08

to me because the voices told her

1:31:10

that they didn't want her talking to

1:31:12

me. Right, I ran into that over

1:31:15

and over and over again. And

1:31:18

they would actually make the patient miserable

1:31:20

if they did talk to me. Yeah,

1:31:22

and so she didn't. He talked to

1:31:25

me and I think that was

1:31:27

the introduction to me thinking to myself, I

1:31:29

really think there might be something more to

1:31:31

the schizophrenia issue than just voices in

1:31:34

somebody's head. Yeah,

1:31:38

and that is true. If

1:31:42

they're running patterns, they can't be hallucinations

1:31:44

as a psychiatric mafia says they are.

1:31:47

You can see these patterns for yourself. I

1:31:49

mean, it's not like they're not hidden up

1:31:52

in some genetics lab or a biochemistry lab.

1:31:54

Anybody who is living with, working

1:31:56

with or dealing with

1:31:58

schizophrenics can go to... my website at

1:32:01

jerrymarsinski.com and see these patterns

1:32:03

for themselves. They're right

1:32:05

in front of your eyes. You

1:32:08

don't have to believe anything. You can

1:32:10

see it for yourself, unlike

1:32:12

this genetic stuff and this biochemical

1:32:14

and balance stuff that the psychiatric

1:32:18

mafia and this big

1:32:21

pharma comes up with. Oh, just trust us.

1:32:23

Just trust us. This is what it is.

1:32:25

Now, look at the

1:32:27

money these guys are making. This is what's

1:32:30

driving this whole thing. These people could care

1:32:32

less if anybody's getting better. They don't make

1:32:34

money by people getting better. They

1:32:36

make money by treating people endlessly

1:32:39

with these toxic drugs. So

1:32:42

the antidepressant market in the US is

1:32:44

in the US only is expected

1:32:46

to hit 1.98 billion

1:32:48

by 2023. We're talking billion.

1:32:54

Wow. Now it's 15.98

1:32:56

billion dollars. This is for antidepressants

1:32:59

that are not fixing anything. Now,

1:33:02

mace will cure depression. Okay.

1:33:05

The global anti-psychotic sales, these are global, are

1:33:07

14.54 billion in 2021 and expected to reach

1:33:09

15.5 billion by 2022 billion dollars on anti-psychotic

1:33:19

drugs that are rotting people's brains

1:33:21

out. Look at how many

1:33:23

people they're destroying slowly with these drugs. Another

1:33:29

big lie there is that

1:33:31

they're DSM. They're directory of

1:33:33

mental illnesses. They have this

1:33:36

big directory. They call it the DSM with

1:33:38

all these different mental illnesses. And it looks

1:33:40

like a real scientific piece of work. They

1:33:44

have them all categorized and they 303.10

1:33:49

and all the characteristics and all these

1:33:51

descriptions. It looks like it's a real

1:33:53

scientific piece of work. The

1:33:55

whole thing is completely made up. It's fabricated.

1:33:58

There's not one objective. test to

1:34:01

verify any of those diagnoses in

1:34:04

that manual at all. They're

1:34:06

made up by a group of psychiatrists, two-thirds of

1:34:08

which are associated

1:34:11

with Big Pharma. They meet

1:34:14

every few years and they make up

1:34:16

new mental illnesses to put into this

1:34:18

directory. And then Big Pharma goes,

1:34:20

well, can we make a drug to treat

1:34:22

that thing? It's all a sham.

1:34:24

It's a big sham. Well,

1:34:28

I'm running out of time here. Yeah.

1:34:31

I got another, someplace I got to be

1:34:33

it of just a few minutes. Any questions

1:34:35

right off the bat? Heck no. Too bad

1:34:38

because I have here a transcript from one

1:34:40

of the patients I worked with. I was

1:34:42

going to read that if we have time.

1:34:44

I have a letter

1:34:46

from a psychotic killer who killed four

1:34:50

people. He cut his girlfriend into a million

1:34:52

pieces. They still haven't found her

1:34:54

body. I got a poem written by him. And

1:34:57

is that the poem you sent me earlier? I don't

1:35:01

know what I sent you there. No, that was that I

1:35:03

sent you a story. I sent you a story, right? Yeah,

1:35:05

you sent me a story. Yeah, that's a story of

1:35:07

one of the, that story took place in

1:35:09

the emergency room. So

1:35:12

it's a true story. Wow. True story. She

1:35:15

had killed somebody too. So

1:35:17

you're talking about the story called Black Toads. Right.

1:35:21

Wow. That took place in the

1:35:23

emergency room when I was working in

1:35:25

the site crisis in an emergency room. Interesting.

1:35:28

Very interesting. Well, I might, I might, if

1:35:30

you don't mind, I might read it or

1:35:32

something like that for the audience at some

1:35:34

point here. Okay, go ahead. Listen, I, you

1:35:37

said, go ahead, do you have any questions?

1:35:39

I could talk to you about, there's so

1:35:41

much, right? But I would

1:35:43

love to maybe have you back on sometime and

1:35:45

we can dive into more of a conversation. You

1:35:47

did a fantastic job laying out how you got

1:35:50

from where you started to now. And

1:35:52

I, one thing

1:35:54

you said was don't get bored. And

1:35:56

it's something that I, I'm

1:35:59

notoriously, I say it all

1:36:01

the time to guys. And

1:36:04

I say a bored man is

1:36:06

a dangerous man. And what

1:36:09

you just kind of laid out and then said, don't

1:36:11

get bored, I'm like, man, that puts a whole other

1:36:13

definition to what I mean. Like, cause I think when

1:36:16

guys get bored, they tend to do things that they

1:36:18

regret later. They get in trouble. They,

1:36:21

men need to have something to do. They

1:36:23

need to keep busy. At least

1:36:26

I find that for myself. And

1:36:28

so- Especially true schizophrenics, man. That's

1:36:30

especially true to them. I

1:36:32

believe it. And you gave so

1:36:34

much information here. The Psalm 22 or

1:36:36

23 and 91, very

1:36:39

interesting perspective there because I mean, I comfort,

1:36:42

like what you're doing, I mean, what you're

1:36:44

doing is you're laying the groundwork here for

1:36:46

a spiritual realm that's

1:36:48

impacting the physical realm. And you've

1:36:50

experienced that when the crackling comes

1:36:53

through. Man, like

1:36:56

I could just talk to you forever, but I know

1:36:58

we had a limited period of time today and

1:37:01

we'll communicate moving forward and we'll definitely

1:37:03

bring you back on and we can have more of

1:37:05

a back and forth and stuff, but I really greatly

1:37:07

appreciate you coming on and all the

1:37:09

links to all your stuff that you sent will be

1:37:11

in the description of this episode so people can check

1:37:13

you out. But thank you very

1:37:15

much for joining me. Oh, you're more than

1:37:17

welcome. If it wasn't for guys like you, I'd

1:37:20

be out in the

1:37:22

wilderness screaming at the trees. I mean, it's

1:37:24

like, crying

1:37:27

out in the desert. It's like, you're

1:37:30

the people who are getting this

1:37:32

information out to the people that need it because

1:37:36

I can guarantee you none of this

1:37:38

is gonna get out through the mainstream

1:37:40

media or through the

1:37:43

universities or through

1:37:45

the psychiatric mafia or through psychologists. It's

1:37:47

not gonna get out. It's

1:37:49

only gonna get out through you guys. They're gonna

1:37:51

resist this to the max. They don't want anything

1:37:54

to do with any of this. Yeah,

1:37:57

it's a perfect storm in the sense that

1:37:59

you have this. industry now of

1:38:01

people who don't really buy into

1:38:03

the narrative that's been given to

1:38:05

us. And we also now have a

1:38:07

voice. You know, 20 years ago, this was not possible.

1:38:10

And so they control the narrative. But

1:38:12

now there's a lot of people like

1:38:14

me that just are like, listen, we're

1:38:17

not doctorates. We don't know. We

1:38:20

just don't believe you. And we're going to talk to people

1:38:22

who might present other ideas. And

1:38:24

so that's what we do. And

1:38:26

listen, I don't have a reputation to lose. Everybody

1:38:28

thinks I'm already an idiot. So it doesn't matter to me. I

1:38:32

don't care either. I'm going to tell them

1:38:34

I'm going to tell what I experienced and

1:38:36

nobody can change that. Yeah, I've experienced all

1:38:38

these things. I've been there. Nobody's

1:38:41

going to come and go, oh, well, you might be

1:38:43

making a mistake. No, no, get out of my face.

1:38:46

I've been there and I can go back

1:38:48

there, too. I mean, I

1:38:50

understand what schizophrenics are hearing. I

1:38:52

understand how they operate. You

1:38:54

know, I can speak to them on

1:38:56

their terms now. Well,

1:39:02

that's sure, but I really hope you enjoyed it. And if

1:39:04

you did enjoy, please share the show with your friends. That's

1:39:07

the best thing you can do to help the show grow.

1:39:09

Share the show with your friends or enemies. I don't care.

1:39:11

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1:39:13

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1:39:15

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1:39:17

So send them the link. They'll hit it. They'll

1:39:20

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1:39:22

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1:39:25

just solved all the world problems right here

1:39:27

on The Confessionals. Okay.

1:39:30

And until next Tuesday, stay safe, take care and

1:39:32

remember, the truth is such a free, but first

1:39:35

it'll piss you off. Bye. Bye.

1:39:37

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