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Something special for you today on the Chris Cuomo

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project. Bessam Yousuf,

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okay? Look him up. He

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was called the John Stewart of Egypt and

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that is high praise, but he is

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more than that. We're

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gonna have a conversation today that's gonna make

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a lot of people uncomfortable, but for the

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right reasons. This is not empty

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provocation. It's about the Middle East. And

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it's about the head and heart of

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Arab people, Palestinian people, where

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they're coming from. I've

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talked to you often about where Israeli people

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are coming from, the existential fear, what

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it means to see images of people who say

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they wanna kill you and destroy you, burn

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Jewish bodies. That

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is a very powerful message that I believe

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was sent intentionally to the Jewish people. But

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there aren't just two sides to the situation.

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There are like five and there's humanity that

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runs throughout all of it. Now

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Bessam Yousuf grew up in Egypt. He

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understands the politics of the region. He

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understands the history of the

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region in a way that is

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exceptional, extraordinary, not as a comedian,

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not as a cardiothoracic surgeon that

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he is, but

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as a student of the world

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and as somebody who is in pain because

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of what's happening in the Middle East, who

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has family trapped in a home in Gaza,

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who has lost people he knows

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in Gaza. I

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believe that everybody who

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is open knows that's

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what's happening in the Middle East

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has to stop. That

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whatever the answer is, which to me is

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unknown, it can't be this. And

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it can't be this almost

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insane notion that it

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can't stop until Israel eradicates Hamas. Like

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we eradicated ISIS, like we

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eradicated terror in the war on terrorism.

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You don't beat an idea by

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destroying the people who believe it. You

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beat it with a better idea, something

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that entices people. more

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than the desperation that led them to the

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extremism. We know this, we know this from

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our own experience. So

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I'm not carrying water for anything other

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than the obvious idea that this has

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to end because there's too much death,

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there's too much fear, and there's too

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little promise of anything better anytime soon

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to come. So

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this is a conversation with

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one very intelligent person

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who lived the experience and

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is very worried about the politics and the

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power plays involved in me with

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what I've seen, what I've learned, and

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what I want to ask of

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someone with a point of view in this

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situation. A lot

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of it is going to be hard for you to

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hear, especially if you believe that Israel is

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under constant threat and has

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to be doing what it's doing right now and

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is justified in doing so. You're

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going to be upset if you're

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an American and you identify with

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the pro-Palestinian movement as an

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aspect of oppression. It's

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a long conversation. It's nuanced.

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A lot of people are going to take bites

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and spin it out of context. We'll deal with

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that as it happens. But

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it's a conversation that has to happen again and

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again and again because it's the

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only way we'll get to a better place. So

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here is Basim Yousaf, who

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is a great comedian, is touring all

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over the country right now. He was

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literally chased out of Egypt. He kept

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doing his show and talking about oppression

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and tickling power as

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the Netflix documentary about him is called. Even

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when the Egyptian state said he had to

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stop or they would stop him. He

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still did it. And then he fled to the

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United States and he's had to start

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all over again here. It's

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an amazing story. It's uniquely American.

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And his perspective on what's happening in the Middle

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East needs to be heard. Not that

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you accept it. Not that you understand all

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of it the way he does not that you

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agree, but that you listen. Please

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do that. Here

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is Bassem Yousuf in

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a conversation that we need to have. Bassem,

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how do you explain how

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explosive and

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massive the reaction to

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your comments about what's happening in the Middle

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East were with Piers Morgan and all over

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the internet afterwards? Well, there's two explanations. Number

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one, look. No question. Number

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two, I'll be very honest about

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it. I think I told this to Piers on

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his show. There is

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a whole group of people in this world that

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they haven't had the chance to have their

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voice heard or their point of view

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came across. Because honestly, when

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our side of the story get brought up,

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they either being bullied into

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not putting on their words or they

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get their buttons pushed so

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they will come up as angry brown people. I'll

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be very honest. And the

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thing is, this

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whole topic in the Middle East

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is very emotional. So when you

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try, it's very difficult to navigate

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the thing so not to fall into the

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emotional roller coaster and

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try to speak calmly.

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So that's why the second interview I was like trying to

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speak. I didn't want to score points when I said to

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someone, I don't want to prove that you're

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wrong because you're coming here. You've

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already had your mind made up over years and

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years and years. I'm not coming here to change

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your mind. I think that's the problem of how

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people get into the quarrels because we put our

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egos ahead of us. Oh, it's

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like I have to prove them. It's like I'm coming here.

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Let's say for example, me and you, we talk about anything.

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I don't know Israel, Palestine, the NBA, which team is better.

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I learned

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something that I need to come across to

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just explain. my point of view,

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and it's up to you and up to the

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people watching and listening for them to decide for

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themselves. Is that

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too idealistic, given the realities, not just in

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the Middle East, but in America? One

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of the problems we're having in processing what's happening

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there is that it's being filtered through the game

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of advantage between the two parties. It's not a

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coincidence that the

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pro-Palestinian and anything

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that even becomes exaggerated from that in

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America is all left. And

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on the right, you have the most staunch,

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pro-Zionist, pro-Israeli.

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It's by design for advantage. Everything in America gets

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split down the middle. How do you break through

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that to get to a point of understanding? Well,

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first of all, the problem

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is the problem of the media, because now

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people do not have any space

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for listening. So it's all about sun bites

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and just like who wins. And it becomes

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sensational. It becomes like people in the Coliseum

6:56

fighting. And then it's you said, die,

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die, die, die. There's

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no space for a nuanced conversation. Just like who

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gets the sun bites, who gets the thing. And

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I have to slightly disagree with you

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because there's a lot of the

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pro-Zionists are on the left. Make

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time. There's a lot of people who

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like Joe Biden, he's a Democrat,

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and people are

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asking just ceasefire. And

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a lot of people who are on the

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bankroll of APAC are actually Democrats.

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So it's not really a left

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to right thing. Yes. Well,

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everybody was pro-Israel in America.

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Both parties, the leaders, the money,

7:36

the influence was too great for

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anybody to abandon it. But

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don't you think that the right kind of edged

7:43

ahead even before this most recent conflict, moving

7:45

the consulate to Jerusalem and Trump

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being so much more of a

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vocal BB ally and Much

7:53

more so than Biden, certainly as a vestige

7:55

of the Obama administration. It Seems now that

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if you were to point to one of

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the two parties and say which one more

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pro Israel people would say the geo been

8:03

other democrats solution. But there's two things. Number

8:06

one, there's something about a little bit of

8:08

a hypocritical side or how did you peed

8:10

used as because most of the pro Israel,

8:12

pro Zionist or anti semites. It's.

8:15

Crazy. You. Really believe

8:17

you're anti semite? oh who can remember

8:19

and what? Forget Mtc in a lake

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like I will did like the whole

8:23

a Jewish laser guns a lot of

8:25

people as the a lot of people

8:27

who produce u p will go office

8:29

and jews were not to pieces and

8:31

trans. So there's this. This

8:33

crazy split and knitting else friends of all of

8:35

those people. The pros eyes but they're very and

8:37

the same with the the jews and then of

8:39

Israel and you know what they do. The threat

8:42

is only because of the second in that direction.

8:44

the sink coming of Jesus all it's derelict. The

8:46

be that when we talk about Zionist I don't

8:48

even think about Jewish people because most of the

8:50

Jewish people. Are actual on our

8:53

side. Juice was voice for peace there is

8:55

I'm at my Bernie Sanders always it's not

8:57

a jewish think it is as earnest the

8:59

most of the most times people actually christian

9:02

zionist and are pushing the home and like

9:04

the homework for a brink. Because.

9:06

Of did this liquid this book called

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forcing That God's Hands incredibly book. It

9:10

was written my teammates and it's is

9:12

the talking about the dispensation and us

9:14

and it's and how they're like they're

9:16

basically me that says Profit Professor Prophecy.

9:19

And. Those people who believe in the seconds

9:21

after they believed as all Jews would be

9:23

killed and only one hundred foot four thousand

9:25

people remain and they will going to follow

9:27

Christ. It is dogmatic and it's crazy in

9:29

a country that is liberal and secular than

9:31

a United States. so it's either by talk

9:33

about a lot to people's Democratic Party and

9:36

they are very upset about the leadership which

9:38

is Biden. And how and

9:40

and and secretary blinked in which

9:42

is like a disgrace is. A

9:46

mean gonna take that, get to that likely

9:48

to. But it is. It is. Yes, and

9:50

of what part of it's right and left.

9:52

But now. As. Much as I'm one

9:54

of those people, I would bet vote blue no matter

9:56

who, I will never give my voice to buy. The. after

9:59

what he's done So then what do you do?

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If you're blue no matter who and the who

10:03

is Biden and you won't vote for him, what

10:05

do you do? I would sit that one out

10:08

seriously. And it's crazy because I became an American

10:10

citizen in this country and I'm so happy to

10:12

vote. And America, it took America four years to

10:14

get me to check out of the elections. Because

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if you are continue supporting a daily killing there

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and you're not even like wanting to put the last

10:21

slightest effect to stop the killing, why would I vote

10:23

for you? And then they come back and they blackmail

10:25

us. But reproductive rights, at least if

10:27

a woman in Tennessee cannot have reproductive rights, she can

10:30

travel to California, New York to do it. Those people

10:32

doesn't have nowhere to go. And

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it's always been like the Democratic

10:36

Party blaming the minorities for

10:39

the fact because the Democratic Party gave us

10:41

the promise that we are on your side.

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But in reality they are not because here you

10:46

have a war, 27,000 kids, 27,000 Palestinians killed, 100,000 being

10:48

injured, 70% of the homes. You

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did this show with Abdul

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Jabbar, the father, and you gave him

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the space. And I really appreciate because

11:03

this guy is an American citizen. He's

11:05

not even in Gaza. And

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his son was killed for throwing it. And he's not even going

11:09

to throw the stone. And even if he throws a stone, he

11:12

should not be killed. We don't know

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that he threw any stone. But even if he

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did, does he deserve to get shot? No, no,

11:18

no. That should be

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simple. No. But I

11:23

don't like the suggestion, not from you. But

11:26

the father even put it out there that they

11:28

say he threw rocks. Look,

11:31

the fact scenario doesn't make any sense. The

11:33

lack of investigation, the things that he told

11:35

me they said to him when

11:38

they came to the house, he wanted his

11:40

son's personal effects. He

11:42

says one of the soldiers threw the wallet on the ground

11:44

and said, go ahead, reach for it, and I'll send you

11:46

the same place I sent you son. Now,

11:49

oh, he's probably lying. Well,

11:53

why? This is his son.

11:55

The guy's an American. He's not anti-America.

11:57

He is American. that

12:00

it's so easy for people, if I

12:02

were to look at how people blame me for things, you're

12:05

an IDF shill. You

12:07

hate the Jews. It goes

12:09

back and forth because we're in a place now where if

12:11

I'm not agreeing with you all the time, I'm

12:14

your enemy. And so many things,

12:16

you use the word nuance. Yes,

12:18

complex situations. If the Middle East isn't

12:20

complex, what is? There's never a

12:23

single fact or explanation. Here's a

12:25

thing I've been thinking about lately on this, but

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I don't want to lose my point, which is,

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don't you need a platform? I know you're

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doing shows, Bessam's all over the country, doing

12:34

his comedy, which is

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a great act. You can watch,

12:38

like I do, online, you can find clips all

12:40

over the place of Bessam Yusef. But...

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And you come into my show in New Jersey. No way, I

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don't go to New Jersey. What? I'm an Italian from Queens, I

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don't go to Jersey. I know, but I'm doing my show there.

12:49

Come on. Where is it? In

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New Jersey, I perform at the Arts Center in the 16th of February. We

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sold out the first show, it's 3,000 seats. We

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already sold out the first, we have to come. Can

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you get me a seat to the first show? Fuck yeah.

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All right. I'll get you a

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seat on the stage. I like special treatment. I'm going to

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give you like a box. And I'm going to make fun

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of. No, no, no, no. I want you to come to

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the room. We look like cousins anyway. You

13:11

know, Mediterranean baby, Italian and English. We

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got the hair going. We're

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across the Mediterranean. When

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I watched the Piers thing, I've known

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Piers Morgan for a long time. I

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actually was after him at CNN. When

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Piers left, I wound up having Piers' slot. And

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I spoke to him. I saw him in

13:33

the UK at some point. And

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it was such

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a shock to me how resonant

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it was. Not because it didn't make sense, not

13:44

because it wasn't cogent or anything. There was just

13:46

such a hunger. And

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then, you know, you had the whole rematch face off,

13:50

which I loved that he went out to see you

13:53

in LA. And it was great. But

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I was very surprised that after that,

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you didn't seek. a

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new platform for yourself to

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discuss issues that

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are ongoing in that regard. Why

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haven't you? I know you're

14:11

doing your show, but... Everything

14:14

is new to me. When I left

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Egypt in 2014 and I came here, I lost everything.

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I have nothing and I had to start all over

14:22

again. And only five years ago I

14:24

started doing stand-up comedy in English. And

14:26

in the beginning it was bad. Of course, we could start

14:28

something new in Tibet. I'm five years old. In

14:30

comedy, that's your age. How long have you

14:32

been doing comedy? Five years. You're five years

14:34

old. So I'm still an infant. So

14:37

I still got my hour kind of

14:40

like tight. And now I have all of

14:42

these tour dates and I'm doing it. So

14:44

everything is coming down very quickly.

14:47

And I'm between like, I want to sell my special, I want a

14:49

tour. And also I want to take

14:51

my time in the platform because, A, I

14:54

don't want to be... You

14:56

know how people would say, oh, you're

14:58

capitalizing on the thing, you're doing that. But

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I don't want to be put

15:03

in a position where I'm an activist because

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I was politically burned in Egypt because people

15:08

put that much pressure

15:10

on me. I was like, I'm a comedian.

15:13

You can watch a documentary about it. It's

15:15

called Tickling Giants. Yes. And

15:17

it's very interesting. I followed it as it

15:20

was happening. And I was

15:22

surprised. I didn't expect the Americans to be outraged

15:24

by it. You know,

15:26

the moniker for Besson was that he was

15:28

Egypt's John Stewart. And Stewart

15:30

embraced you. He's had been his own

15:32

comeback here now by choice.

15:36

And the work... Here's the thing. Can

15:39

you be exploiting a situation for

15:41

advantage? Yes. That's also known as

15:44

America. But this

15:46

is necessary, Besson. I know. And

15:48

this is why I would rather come on

15:50

shows like yours, come to kind

15:52

of like speak to the audience your

15:55

audience because your audience and peers' audience

15:57

and other people's audience... I'm not doing this for you.

16:00

to speak to my people. I don't want to be preaching to

16:02

the choir. I want to cross

16:04

the aisle and speak to people about things

16:06

that they have believed for so long. And

16:08

maybe we can have a logical,

16:12

non-emotional discussion about because what happened is full

16:14

of emotions. But when you break it down,

16:17

you're a reporter. I respect that so much because

16:19

you can go to things that are extremely emotional

16:21

and then you can call me dissected the same

16:24

way that I'm a doctor. I had people coming

16:26

like blood everywhere. I have to have my I

16:28

cannot get my emotions ahead of me because I

16:30

need to know where is the source of lead.

16:33

So this is why... Cardio thoracic surgeon.

16:35

You know, this whole area and

16:37

he's also certified the United States.

16:40

It's always good to know about it. People

16:42

used to pay me money to stab them in the

16:45

chest. So I want to reach out. I want to

16:51

speak to anybody, everybody. I would go

16:54

to someone who's completely opposed and I

16:56

want us to be uncomfortable talking

16:58

about everything, talking about stuff that

17:01

we have believed for many years.

17:03

For example, a lot of people say

17:06

Israel is America's friends. Israel

17:09

is full of supporting Israelis for

17:11

the best in Israel. And I want to challenge

17:13

that because there has been now

17:16

as an American citizen, I don't think Israel is a good

17:18

friend. Can

17:21

you call a country a friend if they have a

17:23

spy, a jonas and polard, who spied on America and

17:26

he was an American. He was

17:28

not Israeli. He took a life sentence in 1987. And just to

17:32

spite the United States 1995, Israel gave him

17:34

the Israeli citizenship while he was in jail.

17:36

That's a spite. And then

17:38

he was released 2020 on a private

17:42

jet sponsored by an American billionaire,

17:44

you know, Sheldon

17:47

Adelson. And

17:50

he was greeted at the airport by

17:52

Benjamin Netanyahu. What kind of message do

17:55

you give the people? Adelson is the big

17:57

Republican. Yes. Yes. But like what kind of message if

17:59

they... The head of Israel is receiving

18:02

like a hero. Okay,

18:04

all about the Herzog affair, 1950, 1954. Where

18:09

Chaim Herzog was an attaché in the Israeli

18:11

embassy, and he was recruiting spies with an

18:13

American soldier, and he was tipped off that

18:15

everybody's coming to him. He escaped, and how

18:17

he was rewarded? Two times Israeli president, 1983,

18:19

1993, and

18:22

he's the father of the

18:24

current president today. How can you

18:27

call the Apollo affair? Where

18:29

Rafi Etan, an Israeli spy, stole

18:32

206 enriched uranium from

18:34

UMAK. How can you

18:36

call a country that committed terrorist attack, killing

18:41

an American citizen in American soil, and then they fled

18:43

to Israel, and they launched the JDL 1985 Alex Oda.

18:47

He was Christian, Palestinian American, and he was

18:50

assassinated by three members of the JDL, and

18:53

they escaped to Israel, and America had not get them

18:55

back because Israel does not want to deliver. How

18:58

can you call someone who

19:00

commit an attempted assassination on

19:02

an American diplomat, John

19:05

Gonsardine, our ambassador in

19:07

Lebanon? And he wrote it in his memoir, and

19:09

he said they, and the American did not investigate

19:11

it. What

19:14

is the most lethal attack

19:17

on American naval vessel in history in the Middle

19:19

East? U.S. has called. How

19:21

many people died? I

19:23

don't remember, but a lot. I wouldn't come. How

19:26

many people injured? But

19:28

that's not the most lethal. The most lethal attack

19:31

on American naval vessel was U.S.S. Liberty,

19:34

9th of June, 1967. They were

19:36

attacked by the Israeli army, and

19:38

they killed 34

19:40

American soldiers, injured 171, and they paid $6

19:43

million in compensation. This

19:46

is how worth the American lives it is to them. Can

19:49

we call this a friend?

19:51

Yes, and here's

19:53

why. Okay. Because it's messy,

19:56

and it's a relative assessment, and

19:58

you have the largest. Jewish

20:00

population outside of Israel is

20:03

in America and they're

20:05

people of pride and prominence

20:08

and the connection politically

20:12

and culturally has always

20:14

been strong and it's a relative assessment. You

20:17

make a checklist going back to the

20:19

1950s of what Israel has done that

20:21

was wrong and

20:24

now you have to compare it to everybody else in

20:26

the region that is of any value to you and

20:29

you wind up with Israel being

20:31

at the top of the heap and

20:34

look I don't have any problem

20:36

I don't

20:38

think the issue is that Israel has been misunderstood as

20:40

an ally and they're an enemy I don't think that's

20:42

what it is. I think it's what

20:45

do you do when your allies

20:47

are in bad situations and

20:50

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the subscription plan. Let's

24:33

analyze it from the beginning, not

24:36

in terms of historical reciprocity, but

24:38

on October 8th,

24:42

7th, 8th, what

24:44

should have happened? What do you

24:46

believe should have been the series of events that

24:48

would have led us to a better place than we're in now? Well,

24:51

here's the problem with discussing this. You

24:54

always reset the clock at October

24:56

7th. Always. But

24:58

here's why. I'm not missing what, what, what,

25:00

what, I'm not missing. I know that the

25:02

reason that they circulated about you, those punk

25:05

ass white people on their pages on the

25:07

right there, they did, they judge you for

25:09

your reaction, but they didn't talk

25:11

about what they have been doing. That's exactly right. And

25:14

I get it. October 7th didn't

25:16

happen in a vacuum. I totally

25:18

understand. But it's also

25:20

about your standard of what kind

25:23

of retaliation you will

25:25

submit to as a

25:27

natural consequence. There's no question

25:30

that there is a state of oppression in what's

25:32

happening in Palestine. Israelis will mention

25:34

that. In polls, they'll say that they don't like

25:37

the way it is. Except

25:39

for Bibi's government and his ministers, which

25:41

is, I believe, much

25:44

more right, extreme and

25:46

anti-Palestine, anti-Brown, let's say,

25:48

than the Israeli

25:50

non-Brown population. So

25:54

I know that. I know that October 7th wasn't

25:56

the beginning. I know that for

25:59

many. It was a cry of

26:01

desperation. Okay. But what

26:03

was done on October 7th, I

26:07

don't think is subjective,

26:09

I think objectively, was

26:11

something that was only done to

26:14

provoke a response. You

26:17

don't burn Jewish people and think

26:19

that Israel's not going to come for you. Hamas,

26:23

by all indications, which is why it got its leadership

26:25

out of there, was anticipating

26:27

exactly what happened. So

26:30

assuming that you come in, you kill a bunch

26:32

of their people, they're going to come for you.

26:35

There's going to be warfare. Okay. That's

26:37

not a surprise to anybody. We would do the

26:40

same thing. Okay. I, you

26:42

know, and scale wise, it was

26:44

a big deal for Israel. What should

26:46

have happened? We're four months in now. Plus,

26:50

what do you think should have happened? Like after the

26:52

first week, you believe that the world

26:54

should have said, okay, that's enough. The numbers, you

26:57

know, you're, they killed a thousand or 1500, whatever

26:59

the number is. Now

27:02

you can, they already can start thousand and two

27:04

weeks. So let's say, so should it have ended

27:06

then? And if so, cause that

27:08

would be great. Less killing is always better if

27:10

you're a humanistic. Then

27:12

what? I don't understand

27:15

the how of ending this right now.

27:17

I know ceasefire, I get it. But

27:19

how do I stop? I'll

27:21

play Israel. Okay. If I stop,

27:23

okay, I'll stop. I'm beating you up too much. I'm

27:25

killing too many people. I'm killing too many innocents. I'm

27:27

killing too little Hamas. I can't get you. You're in

27:29

the tunnels and you have my people who I want

27:31

back who now I believe as many as a quarter

27:33

of them are dead. So

27:36

they're supposed to matter. I'm not getting you anyway.

27:39

And I'm killing all these innocents. I'll stop. How

27:42

do they stop and

27:44

not believe that they're not going to get

27:46

attacked by Hamas as soon as Hamas stops,

27:48

not, not knowing that they believe that they

27:50

will do the same. Here's, here's the thing

27:52

about October 7th. I really need,

27:54

I think for both of our viewers,

27:56

people who follow me and follow you, I think we

27:58

really need to discuss the stuff. that we can

28:00

share information that I might not know. You've seen the

28:03

video, I've not seen the video, the 47 minutes video.

28:05

And I believe that what you've seen other

28:07

than the stuff that we've seen, you've seen

28:09

people tied up, you've seen burned corpses as

28:11

you've been mutilated bodies. Right? Yeah.

28:15

I wanna talk about two things. Why is

28:17

the connection about the Jewish people to Israel,

28:19

which I understand. The Jewish

28:21

people have been persecuted for centuries.

28:24

They've been pushed around from one country to another, they've been

28:26

burned, they've been put in gas chambers. I

28:30

really believe that that kind of

28:32

generational trauma is a huge thing

28:35

that you cannot ignore. And that is why for them, Israel

28:37

is not just a place, it's not just

28:39

a country. It is an idea

28:42

that no matter what happens to us in

28:44

the world, we have a place that is

28:46

strong, that can protect us, that it will

28:48

never happen to us again. What happened under

28:50

Babylon, under the Nazis, under the Russians, we

28:52

have that place. So I understand that. And

28:54

I understand the shock that happened on October

28:56

7th, like even that place is not safe

28:58

anymore. So having said

29:00

that, I want you to look at the other side. On

29:03

the other side, every day for the Palestinian

29:05

people is October 7th. Every

29:07

day they are kidnapped from their homes.

29:10

Every day they are killed. Every day I'm

29:12

gonna come to the burning, I'm coming to

29:14

the atrocities. I'm not gonna miss anything. And

29:16

I promise you I would, because here's the

29:18

thing about conversation. I think that how people

29:21

lose conversation is that, when I don't show

29:23

you the empathy that is deserved for

29:26

your pain, and I understand that. So I

29:28

see that. When

29:32

November 4th, the first exchange

29:34

between the hostages, Israel released

29:36

240 children and women. 233

29:41

of them were never convicted. So

29:44

basically we call them prisoners because they're

29:46

put in Israeli prison, but actually they

29:49

go in the house and they kidnap

29:51

them on daily basis. Every single day

29:53

people are shot. They'll say it's a

29:55

parallel system of justice

29:57

for Israeli citizens, many of whom. are

30:00

not Jewish, right? And

30:02

then there is this occupied,

30:06

murky international standard of how

30:08

you treat people when you

30:11

are occupying them. Yes. And

30:13

there's a different military type

30:16

justice, but it is

30:18

also deserving of scrutiny and criticism. I mean,

30:20

you have a lot of people without due

30:22

process who've been held for a long time.

30:25

Absolutely. For Palestinians, they're sitting at the homes

30:27

and they're being kidnapped every day from their

30:29

homes. Israel is the only country

30:31

in the world that tries children in front of

30:34

military courts, and they have a 99.7 conviction rate.

30:37

There's nowhere in the world where you have 99.7 conviction rates. And

30:41

sometimes, but they are terrorists. Okay, Zina

30:43

Barakah, 2010, her husband were killed. And

30:48

then she posted on Facebook, May God unite

30:51

us in heaven. And because of that,

30:53

Israel went to their house, and they

30:55

detained her for eight months for acts of terrorism. So

30:57

when Israel goes in with seven thousand killed people in

30:59

the hospital, three, like, they are terrorists. Who?

31:02

Israel. Who decides? So

31:04

the whole thing about like... When you have, out

31:06

of the 240 people that were released by Israel,

31:09

107 were children. 65

31:12

for the age of 18, meaning that they were killed in

31:14

one day. So the

31:16

daily kidnapping happens, and the daily killing

31:19

happens there. We have just

31:21

been microdosing it, and the world

31:23

doesn't care about it until October 7th. Now

31:26

let's talk about October 7th. October 7th

31:28

is a fucking atrocity. Stairs attack, it's terrible,

31:30

and no one can ever... I

31:33

cannot even imagine. The

31:35

Israeli and the... The Israeli's parents and

31:38

family that went through that, and also the

31:40

Jewish people, as I said, they are connected

31:42

to that place, they're in a safe haven.

31:44

For them, it's shattering. The

31:48

people who were... But the problem is

31:50

what happened, what we saw yesterday, or afterwards. Anthony

31:53

Blinken went on in front of Congress, and

31:56

he testified about an incident where Hamas...

32:00

terrorist went in, they

32:02

gauged the father's eyes, they

32:05

raped the mother, they chopped off her breasts,

32:08

they amputated the child leg and they

32:10

cut the finger of a little boy

32:14

and then they had breakfast and left. That

32:17

is a direct testimony from Zaka and Hazzola

32:20

United, two relief groups from Israel that they

32:22

have actually been exposed that all of the

32:24

stuff that they said has been lies and

32:26

they have collected more than $50 million of

32:28

donations because

32:31

of these unverified lies and

32:33

this has been reported by the Israeli media,

32:35

Haaretz, Channel 13 and

32:38

Time of Israel. So

32:40

this shock, the allegation, a huge

32:42

part of it is something that you

32:45

see burn bodies. But

32:48

in the same time in Israel people talk about

32:50

the Hannibal directive where the Israel went in and

32:53

indiscriminately they shot hellfire missiles

32:55

from Apaches, they shot shells

32:57

from tanks. There is an

32:59

Israeli survivor, her name is Yasmin Porat, she came on

33:02

the podcast and she talked about being in a house

33:04

with 14 other hostages

33:06

and 40 terrorists and said

33:08

everybody was alive and then the Israelis

33:11

started to, their tanks shooting, all

33:13

the first 40, 40 were

33:16

killed, the terrorists and 12 out of

33:18

the 14 hostages were killed. That's an 85%

33:20

kill rate. Now

33:23

let's talk about the decapitated babes. According

33:26

to the official Israeli records,

33:30

one baby was killed, Mila Cohen,

33:32

10 months, 12

33:34

children from the age of 2 to

33:37

9, 36 from the age from 12 to 19, a

33:39

total of 49 innocent children

33:43

who should never have been killed or even

33:45

touched on that day. The biggest casualty

33:48

was 421 people from the age of 20 or 40. The

33:51

total number of people that killed that day, 1,120 people, 29 people,

33:53

373 of them were

33:58

police and military. 759

34:02

civilians, no rape, no

34:04

decapitation, nothing. All of these were

34:06

refuted. Even the New York Times

34:08

piece and the Guardian retracted them because they

34:10

were taken for a ride. So if you

34:12

have the highest rated official going in and

34:14

saying lies, and now you created this image,

34:16

I'm tempted on October 8th, when that happened,

34:18

when I heard that the people were killed

34:20

and decapitated, it's like, oh, fuck them. Go

34:23

in and kill everybody. I, the

34:25

Muslim, the Arabs, because that was the image

34:28

I had. Does it make it less horrific

34:30

that there were just 759 just

34:32

killed, most of them killed by maybe fire

34:35

power from the Israelis? No, it's still horrific.

34:37

But you created that image so people now

34:40

are prepared and

34:42

prepped to go in and kill everybody.

34:44

This is blind rage. And what we

34:47

did right now, what did

34:49

you say? Do you say one time, I'm done

34:51

playing the game, I'm done referring the game, I

34:53

need to expose the game. What we didn't read

34:55

right now is investigations of journalists. The 40 decapitated

34:57

baby became a myth and everybody now believes. So

34:59

if I talk about the, nobody wants to. I

35:01

don't think everybody believes it. And it

35:04

was used as an emotional way to shock

35:06

money, 50 million and to allow

35:08

people to say, all right, go and kill

35:10

everybody. There's no question that it

35:13

was tremendously powerful. Hearing

35:15

that allegation. So when

35:17

I tell you, when I tell you, when I, when

35:20

I break down the numbers, do you know how do

35:22

you, here's my problem with breaking down the numbers. It's

35:24

not new to me. Okay. I've heard this. And

35:27

I accept it, by the way. Now, I

35:29

can't say I know, but I'll

35:31

say I accept it because I can say

35:34

that about all the numbers. And I can

35:36

say that about when I was covering war

35:38

in Iraq and Afghanistan. If I

35:40

don't see it, I don't, I guess I can trust. I mean,

35:42

the numbers are always in round numbers. You know, these are these

35:44

are efficient numbers from the Israel. I understand. But I don't know

35:47

that that makes them true. It's like, you know, so who do

35:49

we I'm saying, I think

35:51

it's a problem. Okay. Because why? Well,

35:54

because of motivation, you know,

35:56

if I get attacked, and I'm going to give

35:58

you the description of the. damage, there's

36:01

every incentive for me to exaggerate it because

36:04

I'm hurt and I want people to know how hurt I

36:06

am and I certainly don't want to discount my hurt. So

36:10

I'm not saying anybody's lying. I'm just saying that there's

36:12

plenty of money to happen. You

36:15

know why it's a person for me? Because right now as we're speaking,

36:18

the uncles and the cousins of my

36:20

children in

36:22

Gaza, they have lost all of

36:24

their homes, they are still alive, they are all now

36:26

cramped in one apartment in one building in Rafah. And

36:29

as we speak, one bomb can drop on

36:31

them right now annihilating my whole family. And

36:33

that happened because of lies that were propagated

36:35

making people accept that. Israel can go and

36:38

do whatever they want. Accept.

36:41

Accept. And

36:43

again, you're right. Okay,

36:45

you're certainly right to feel that way. This is your

36:47

family. There

36:49

is a but for analysis. You can say but

36:52

for October 6, there is no October 7. Okay.

36:56

But for October 7, you

36:58

don't have what happens after it.

37:01

Now, even if it's

37:04

exaggerated, even if some of

37:06

the things are not true and were done

37:08

to create emotional firestorms,

37:12

okay, there is

37:15

still a reality of

37:18

brutality, terroristic actions, atrocities,

37:20

whatever word you want to apply.

37:22

It doesn't matter. Call it

37:24

terrorist. I'm not investing. I'm not invested in what

37:26

I'm saying. It

37:29

doesn't matter how you break down the numbers. And if

37:31

it's less than what we know, does it matter that

37:33

it's less than what we know? Yes,

37:35

because you should be aware of what's

37:37

exaggerated and what's acted upon and what's

37:39

exploited. You're right on all of it in

37:42

terms of checking motivations. It

37:45

is still the precipitating

37:47

cause of what came after it. And

37:49

I believe it was done to create

37:52

what happened after it. Where

37:56

does this take us? The only place that matters,

37:59

which is... How do you

38:01

stop the violence now? That's my

38:03

only concern about litigating the past. Absolutely. It's

38:05

not that I don't have a position. So

38:07

it doesn't matter to me. What's happening right

38:09

now is a classic case of we are

38:11

treating the symptoms and we're not treating the

38:13

cause. Right. Right. And what is the cause?

38:16

The cause is that you have a

38:19

situation in Palestine that

38:22

is impossible to maintain. You

38:24

cannot have these

38:26

the people who live there having

38:30

no freedom of determination over their own existence.

38:33

And it doesn't even work for

38:35

Israel. This is a band-aid

38:37

measure for Israel to control

38:40

its own existence. Their

38:43

rationale of it is and your

38:45

home country gets involved. Early

38:47

on. I was just told this again. I

38:49

think maybe last last night on my show.

38:53

Egypt didn't want the Palestinians. Nobody

38:55

in the region wanted the Palestinians. The

38:57

unspoken truth of the Arab Brotherhood is

39:00

that the Palestinians don't really count

39:02

and are disrespected. And Egypt

39:05

said they can't come here because

39:07

we have too many. Jordan said we're like

39:09

all Palestinians here. They can't come here. And

39:12

that is the counter narrative.

39:15

Okay. I can answer that. Come

39:17

together. Although Egypt did say early on, but we're not

39:19

saying they can't. We're saying we shouldn't. They

39:21

have a home. You see, this is again one

39:23

of the talking points that get repeated and people

39:26

don't know the reality behind it. People say that

39:28

Arab people do not accept Palestinians. First of all,

39:30

there are 2.5 million Palestinians in Jordan already.

39:32

There are 4600 Palestinians in Lebanon already. There

39:37

are 5900 people in Syria already. Egypt,

39:41

my wife has had like

39:45

a refugee documents. So

39:47

we have many, but we don't count them. You know why?

39:49

Because we don't treat them as refugees. We treat them as

39:51

part of the country. Right. So Saudi

39:55

Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, hundreds

39:57

of thousands of Palestinians. We have already taken a

39:59

lot. But when we take them, we basically

40:01

allow Israel to do what they want, which is

40:03

evacuating the land from Israel. And the

40:06

whole thing about, like, we're killing them. Why don't

40:08

you take them? It's like you going out in

40:10

the street, shooting someone in the face, and you're

40:12

angry at your neighbors for not burying him. It's

40:15

crazy. You're basically

40:17

blaming the people that don't want to

40:19

take them, but you don't blame the

40:21

side of the council that's doing the

40:23

killing. It's madness. It doesn't make

40:25

any sense. It doesn't make sense. I also

40:27

don't think that. And also, I'm Israeli. Let's say some miracle. Egypt

40:29

says to them, all right, let's

40:31

take them. 2.2

40:35

million people go in into the Sinai. They have access

40:37

to the sea. What do you think these

40:39

2.2 million people just got to sit there? They're

40:41

going to retaliate, try to come back. They're going

40:43

to have the sea open for them. They're going

40:46

to have Israel controlling. This is going to

40:48

be the Egyptian problems. And then they're going

40:50

to have weapons, they're going to have an

40:52

open desert in the Sinai. Is

40:55

this safer for Israel? Everywhere

40:57

is like Yemen. Now

40:59

you're going to create a

41:03

very, very unstable focus

41:05

that's not going to be good for Egypt,

41:08

not good for Israel. So it's not evil.

41:10

Here's the thing. Do

41:13

you notice how

41:15

the pro-Israeli people talk about the West

41:17

Bank? They

41:19

say Judea and Samaria, aka West Bank.

41:21

Judea and Samaria, aka West Bank. They

41:23

are already changing. Because

41:26

if they can do that to 2.2 million

41:28

people in Gaza in a few years

41:30

from now, they're going to find another Hamas in the West

41:32

Bank. And they're going to bomb the

41:34

West Bank. Hamas is growing in popularity in the West

41:36

Bank now because of what's happening. Of course, the enemy

41:39

of my enemy is my hero. And

41:41

the thing is, you have already 3.5

41:43

people, they have no rights. The

41:48

lad is being taken away from like a Jewish person from Poland

41:50

can lend. In Israel, they can

41:52

lend over Palestine that's been living there for 600 years. It

41:55

doesn't make any sense. And now they're going

41:57

to push people into Jerusalem. Why doesn't Jordan

41:59

take them? how they rehabilitate them. And here's

42:02

the thing about my relationship with Israel. Growing

42:04

up, I had absolutely no problem

42:06

with Israel. Of course, there are enemies. We

42:08

fought four wars with them. But I was

42:10

one of those people who really liked Sadat

42:13

for doing the peace process. And

42:15

I know that we dealt

42:18

short that negotiation was bad, Kissinger

42:21

was like a master. But at the

42:23

end of the day, we took Sinai and

42:26

peace. No more war. No more war.

42:28

I'm the least anything. Let's have whatever

42:30

compromise, but no more war. So I

42:32

have no problem with Israeli existing. And

42:34

people are like, where are you going

42:37

to take theirs? Like, there's nine million

42:39

people. Where are they going to go?

42:41

It's it's it's complimenting. And a lot of

42:43

people hate me for having this very centrist,

42:45

very, but I said I was I

42:47

was practical. But then I see those

42:49

people who have a lot of people in

42:51

Arab world acknowledging their existence. Okay, have you?

42:54

They're not acknowledging other people exist. They're

42:56

not acknowledging the Palestinians. They're not they're

42:59

even becoming to question my existence in

43:01

the Egyptian. Because now

43:03

you see, I'm not talking about like

43:05

people on Facebook, I'm talking about official ministers,

43:08

they are going there in rallies

43:10

and having the greater Israel map

43:12

behind them. What does that

43:14

tell you from denial to the Euphrates?

43:16

That is they're basically swallowing eight Arab

43:18

countries, half of Egypt, half of Iraq,

43:20

all of Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan,

43:23

parts of Saudi Arabia, and parts of

43:25

Turkey. So when you when you

43:27

get me that as an hour, I've been accepting

43:29

you all your life. And now you are accepting

43:31

me. So I want to tell I want to

43:33

tell the Israelis, I'll tell the

43:35

people who say that is the Jews people

43:37

have more right in this land, more the

43:40

Palestinian, I have one question for them. Explain

43:42

to me why is that so without using

43:44

religion? Without using religion?

43:46

Yeah. I understand the

43:48

point. Because what did I say? Because like God gave

43:50

it to us, which God we are the chosen one

43:52

chosen by whom it's a promised land promised my home

43:54

your God is my God. I don't think any of

43:57

it should be based on. Yeah, but but here's the

43:59

thing. All of the liberal

44:01

Zionists, I'm talking about the liberal Zionist

44:03

now, who support Israel. He's

44:06

like, we are secular, we're democratic,

44:08

we are in the separation of

44:10

church and state. And when it

44:13

talks about Israel, it's biblical. All

44:15

of a sudden, it's biblical. Well, it's because

44:18

of the Holocaust. What did we have to

44:20

do with it? No, it's not just because

44:22

of the Holocaust. It's because when the issue

44:24

becomes whether people want Jewish people to exist,

44:26

Israel to exist, you're making

44:29

it existential. And what

44:31

does make them different is their faith. And

44:34

as an extension of that, the blood of people

44:36

in that faith. And from

44:39

the river to the sea scares.

44:42

Of course, but you know who came up with this? You

44:46

know what, Israel? Yeah, the Liquid Party charts in

44:48

1977, haven't you read it? But

44:50

it's not who's using it now? You

44:53

want to hear it? It says like this. Doesn't

44:55

matter who's using it now. The rights of the

44:57

Jewish people in the land of Israel is

44:59

eternal and indisputable. And it is

45:01

important for our and it connects

45:03

to the right of our peace

45:05

and security. Therefore, Judea and Samaria

45:07

will never be handed to a

45:09

foreign administration from the sea to

45:12

the Jordan. There will only be

45:14

Israeli sovereignty. We just make a

45:16

crime better. You

45:18

make a crime better. But it's like, have

45:21

you read it? But the thing is, they

45:23

do stuff and they project it on you.

45:25

Those people who are chanting from the river,

45:27

you can blame the people for chanting for

45:29

that because they're desperate. They don't have a

45:32

superpower supporting them. They don't have the international

45:34

media supporting them. And all of them can

45:36

see and they go and shout and they

45:38

chant in the streets. But

45:40

the official charter of Israel, the official

45:42

people they're talking about from the river

45:44

to the sea, greater Israel. So how

45:47

can you compare people in the streets

45:49

or Facebook by the official stance of

45:51

the Israeli government? Israel is

45:53

not trying to expand its borders into

45:55

Turkey and Iraq. And that's not going

45:58

to happen. Okay. Well, we thought We

46:01

thought that Gaza was not going to happen. And we thought

46:03

that we had a legal settlement with no expense. This

46:06

has been happening since Israel was

46:08

formed in one way or another. And

46:11

I believe it's a situation where the problem has

46:13

always worked better than any solution, kind of like

46:15

our southern border. Things that

46:17

frighten people, things that keep people divided,

46:19

things that keep people angry are

46:22

a very good control mechanism. And

46:25

I always have wondered when I've worked in that part

46:27

of the world, what would they do here

46:29

if they didn't hate each other? Like if

46:31

it wasn't for oil and hatred.

46:35

And maybe circumcision because we all have our dicks cut

46:37

so we are angry at each other the whole time.

46:39

Imagine like that's why Muslims and Jews are

46:41

in fight because they cut our dicks at

46:43

a greatly age and we were just like

46:46

angry at each other. Here's what's wrong with

46:48

you. Now somebody

46:50

is going to take a clip of me

46:52

laughing out of context because you happen to

46:54

be fucking funny. And they'll be

46:56

like, look at him laughing at the Middle East. As

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48:00

was talking to somebody about you today. They're like, you got

48:02

to talk to them all about his medical career and how

48:04

he feels about it. I said, I get it.

48:08

If you focus on

48:10

healing and what matters

48:12

for people, what you're doing with laughter,

48:14

what you're doing with instructive humor, what

48:16

you're doing with satire is so

48:18

powerful. And it is, it can

48:20

be healing. I think the dialogue is healing. Look,

48:24

it's easy for me to have the conversation,

48:26

though, because I'm not emotionally and personally invested.

48:28

You know, invested the way you are and

48:31

the way Jewish people are. I

48:33

have a lot of Jews in my life. I have Jews

48:35

in my family, but I have Arabs

48:37

in my life. I have Muslims in my life. I

48:39

don't have them in my family, as far as I

48:41

know. But it doesn't matter

48:43

to me, but it's easier for me to have the conversation.

48:46

I don't have blood on the line the

48:48

way other people do. And I respect that. A lot of

48:50

Americans don't. They believe they can own an

48:52

issue even though they have no part of it. Some

48:54

people with more extended value

48:56

than others. Like, I understand why

48:59

Black people have an affinity

49:03

to seeing minorities oppressed in other places of

49:05

the world. I understand that. I understand why

49:07

they would see commonality. I get it. And

49:10

I think it's important to engage it. I

49:13

do think that a lot

49:16

of the explanations have

49:18

their place but are also

49:21

a distraction from the present. Blinken

49:24

is over there. Israel

49:27

just said no to the latest. I

49:29

don't know when you're going to be watching this,

49:31

but it'll probably be true five times between now

49:33

and whenever this ends, whatever that means. That

49:37

Israel is saying, no, no, no. This phase deal, it's too long. We're

49:40

not getting enough. I

49:42

don't understand how this ends in

49:46

a way. I'll be honest with you.

49:48

I don't know how it ends at all. Well, again, we

49:50

ask a question. I

49:53

told you, go back to the root of the problem that we do in medicine. And

49:56

I'm telling you, you do an incredible job.

50:00

job because I've watched you many times

50:02

you have an ability you're an empath

50:05

you put yourself in other people's

50:07

shoes so you can understand and I

50:10

expect that about you you're a big

50:12

empath you're empathic with people and

50:14

sometimes when I tell people put your

50:16

yourself into the other people's shoes and

50:19

someone who does that beautifully is Gideon

50:21

Levy the Israeli reporter. Wonderful and he's

50:23

very fair he's very he's in

50:25

Israeli reporter and sometimes when because it

50:28

seems that for so long and I'm

50:30

sorry to say this people don't want

50:32

to hear anything from the Arab

50:34

side so I use Israeli codes

50:36

and one of my favorite codes believe it

50:39

or not is what by Ben-Gurion the

50:42

Washington the George Washington of Israel he

50:45

said and this is a quote from the

50:47

book the Jewish paradox by Nahum

50:50

Goldman he said

50:52

if I was an Arab leader I

50:55

would not sign an agreement with Israel it's

50:57

natural we took their land I

51:00

mean yes God promised it to us

51:02

but our God is not theirs why

51:05

would they accept it why would that mean

51:07

anything to us yes there was anti-Semitism Nazis

51:09

the Jews Auschwitz but why would

51:11

they pay for it we are

51:14

coming here to take their land and see the shoes on

51:16

that accept it that is a dire quote by the founder

51:18

of Israel and yet in another

51:20

speech 1938 he said let's let's let's be

51:23

true to ourselves politically we

51:25

are the oppressors and they are defend themselves

51:27

we're coming here to inhabit and they are

51:30

already here and then he said something mind-blowing

51:32

he said behind the

51:34

terrorism by Arabs is a

51:36

movement though primitive but

51:38

yet it is not the voice of

51:41

idealism and self sacrifice this

51:45

the I can just take those two codes

51:47

and put in front of everybody everybody somebody

51:49

will say Hamas I will tell him been

51:51

in Hamas

52:00

give them money with doing that. That's been

52:02

our strategy So I don't understand like the

52:04

cognitive dissidence that people gave me me like

52:07

Hamas October 7th and guys Don't

52:09

you see what you're doing? There's a continue that in 2001

52:14

In the video over I was knitting. I'm

52:16

sure you've seen that video when they say

52:18

like I have sabotaged the Oslo course as

52:22

He was like proud of it and he was just This

52:24

thing America and and and quotes from him when

52:27

he's younger on television saying no I don't think

52:29

that there's a right to pass any so you

52:31

see all of that and I Thought

52:34

so when you push people for a certain

52:36

limit when you continue to dealing people like

52:38

animals They would behave like any listen. We've

52:40

seen that time and again in this country.

52:43

Okay? and

52:45

yet the story

52:47

of humanity on this planet

52:49

is Exactly this pattern repeated

52:51

again and again and again in this country

52:55

These were occupiers who came here with they

52:57

may say manifest destiny But it wasn't rooted

52:59

in the mythology of God telling them the

53:01

way it is with the Jews But there

53:04

was my point is this supposed and

53:06

and this isn't this isn't my thought but

53:08

I did hear it It does resonate with

53:11

me, which is This

53:13

happens. Okay, and

53:15

right wrong good bad wars are fought Lines

53:18

move people are placed and displaced.

53:20

Okay, it happens all the time

53:23

and This

53:25

area look I mean there's so many people in

53:27

Africa right now who want to have exactly the

53:30

same conversation about How they've

53:32

been displaced and how wrong it is and how

53:34

much violence there is in killing and it's happening

53:36

in Yemen Also, it's happening

53:38

all over the place happening in China with

53:40

a million Uyghur Muslims that we don't know

53:43

what's happening with them. We don't know anything.

53:45

So Here everybody's focused

53:47

on here as if this

53:50

is so wrong and It

53:52

can never be right these situations

53:54

all Get

53:56

solved. There'll be waves of trouble.

53:58

There'll be more. They'll be outgrown They'll be fighting.

54:01

Okay, it happens around the world But

54:03

only this situation in our lifetime has

54:05

been impossible to move the line or

54:07

anything But a tenuous period and I

54:09

believe that's because the problem works better

54:11

than a solution But

54:13

we know what needs to happen, right? You need

54:15

Israel out of these places You need a compromised

54:18

border agreement about where they are and what land

54:20

they can get and what lands gonna be here

54:22

and it can't be Part of faith because you

54:24

have to divorce yourself From

54:26

God speak at some point if you want

54:29

to deal with reality, okay, and I'm not

54:31

anti religion I'm not telling people not to

54:33

be religious. No, we know we know

54:35

we know we say what happens when you put religion

54:37

in policy But messy, but this is what happens that

54:40

this is what happens again and again and again is

54:43

That they have to leave some places

54:45

They get to stay some places and

54:47

Israel should not be in control of

54:49

Palestine Palestine should they just can't have a

54:51

terror organization That is seen

54:54

as a state-sponsored terror. Yes the head of the

54:56

organization So Hamas has to go and

54:59

they need real elections real things and they'll

55:01

struggle like everybody else I was struggling right

55:03

now, but but but Hamas is a product

55:05

of the situation I get it is a

55:07

suit but but you see the thing is

55:09

you said something like why is this? Particular

55:12

issue is not resolved for

55:14

a very very obvious reason because the

55:16

greatest country in the world The most

55:18

powerful country in the world has been

55:20

the sponsoring Israel and I have

55:22

mentioned this before the During

55:25

the history since inception of Security

55:27

Council America used the veto 84 times

55:30

It's always about Israel and they

55:32

use a veto to protect Israel

55:34

56 times. It's crazy Yeah, that's

55:37

not and now with when Biden

55:39

by the Joe Biden Joe geriatric

55:41

genocide Biden That's that's that's his

55:43

nickname now John like Joe

55:45

geriatric genocide Biden because he is supporting genocide

55:47

and people are telling even people in his

55:49

own party It's like you have to stop.

55:51

How many more do you fit? Okay, October

55:53

8th October 9th October 7th How many more

55:55

it's not working the rage is not working.

55:58

What did the reach get us in a

56:00

Afghanistan and Iraq, million Iraqi there, $2 trillion

56:02

spent, all of these Americans being killed in

56:04

Iraq, did it solve anything? Did the rage,

56:06

did the angst, did it solve anything? No.

56:10

So is there in like one sane person to say

56:12

this has to stop? Israel takes money from us. I'm

56:14

speaking now as an American citizen. I

56:17

don't know why my representatives are

56:20

wearing IDF uniforms in the Congress. Brian

56:22

Mast. Brian Mast is

56:24

wearing an IDF uniform in the Congress. And

56:27

now when you look to his finances, he

56:30

received $101,000 for his... What do you mean

56:32

he's wearing an IDF uniform? Brian

56:34

Mast. You can look at it. Brian

56:37

Mast, the Congress man from

56:39

Florida, he was wearing an

56:41

IDF uniform in Congress, in

56:43

lobby. He's going around showing

56:45

his IDF military in Congress because after he

56:47

lost his legs in 2010, he

56:50

went in and he lost his loyalty to the United

56:52

States and he volunteered in the IDF. And

56:54

he's not even Jewish. He's Christian. He's

56:56

a Christian Zionist. In his videos, you can look it

56:58

up. It's like, I wish more children are dead in

57:00

Gaza. Is Rashidah Tullayib put in like a green Hamidban

57:02

then, is that like, I wish Jewish people were king.

57:04

Oh my God, he'll be lynched. But

57:07

like this is like a Congress

57:09

person. He receives $101,000 from APAC

57:11

and his next seven donors combined,

57:14

he gave him $92,000. If

57:17

this is not buying politics for a

57:20

foreign agent, I don't know what is.

57:23

What happens if America

57:26

doesn't support Israel? I'm not

57:29

supported, but be fair. Force

57:32

Israel to stop building the settlement. Force

57:34

Israel to be just. This

57:36

is the whole idea. Why do you think America gives

57:38

$2.3 billion to Egypt? It

57:41

is linked to the peace treaty with Israel. Why

57:44

do you think we give $3.8 billion to Israel? And

57:47

it's not about that. As an American citizen,

57:49

again, it's- There are a lot of people in

57:51

this country right now, a growing population, who says,

57:53

we shouldn't give money to Egypt. We

57:56

shouldn't give money to any of those places.

57:58

Let you guys fight it out. It's a

58:00

good chance. Israel's gonna kick your ass and

58:02

then let it happen. Israel will not kick

58:04

anybody's ass without America's support. Because right now

58:06

in an area with 365 kilometers squared, I

58:09

know, but here's the thing. Weapons

58:12

will always make their way to people who need

58:15

them and want them. I understand, but America, America

58:17

being the superpower of the world comes with responsibility.

58:20

Being the boss of the world comes with

58:22

responsibility. They say that this, and the US

58:24

government position is, this is exercising its responsibility

58:26

because otherwise the region will destroy Israel. Okay,

58:28

how is, you will

58:31

not destroy anybody if you made, if it's about compromise

58:33

and giving people what they want and they need. Because

58:35

Israel, what they want and need is to get rid

58:37

of Israel. Not really, not really, because like they, a

58:40

lot of people say it, and a lot of people

58:42

don't. I don't think that Saudi Arabia, the leadership in

58:44

Saudi Arabia, want to destroy Israel. I don't

58:46

think that leadership in Jordan or in

58:48

Egypt are wanting to destroy Israel. You're talking about

58:50

Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran. And if you can, more

58:53

people involved and give justice to the people, you

58:55

know what happens? You feed the radicals by being

58:57

unjust. That's always

58:59

been true. Yes. So, anger

59:02

and violence makes radicals take over. They're making

59:04

a new generation of enemies right now. And

59:06

all those, and the 27,000 people were killed.

59:11

What, Al-Dahnur, a

59:13

reporter, lost seven of his family. So,

59:16

seven people were family. Shireen Abakhla, a Palestinian-American,

59:18

she was killed and Israel lied about it

59:20

for a year. The

59:22

continuous lying, this is, this is, what

59:25

happened? But as an American, like when

59:28

I tell you, when

59:30

you know the amount of money that goes

59:32

to Israel, tax exempt, how do you talk

59:34

to a teacher in Delaware making

59:37

minimum wage, or someone in Mississippi

59:39

who is trying to fight to

59:41

do the tax, and

59:43

he sees hundreds of millions of

59:45

dollars in donation feeding illegal settlements

59:47

and their tax exempts. How does

59:49

this work? Bessam, we have a

59:52

military-industrial complex in this country that

59:54

gobbles up so

59:57

much, so disproportionate. And

1:00:01

we give it for all kinds of reasons,

1:00:03

good, bad, and indifferent all over the world.

1:00:06

If Americans were to

1:00:08

ever really, truly measure

1:00:11

their lives, needs, and wants as

1:00:13

a function of what is given abroad and

1:00:16

vote on that, the

1:00:18

world would be in big trouble because

1:00:20

Americans in a vote, I

1:00:23

don't know that it comes out that we're giving foreign aid 10 cents

1:00:26

on the dollar to what we're given right now. So

1:00:29

the idea that teachers are underserved, true.

1:00:32

Because of the money we give to Israel,

1:00:34

please. There's money given to so

1:00:36

many different… Yes, and I want them

1:00:38

all to be checked, and I want

1:00:40

all of them to be

1:00:42

revised because as an American, I don't want

1:00:45

our money, my taxpayer money going

1:00:47

all around there. And I know that people make comparisons

1:00:49

between Israel and other things, but again, I'm telling you

1:00:51

the special treatment Israel gets, it could not be compared.

1:00:55

People talk about Saudi Arabia, for example. Saudi Arabia.

1:00:57

Saudi Arabia defends a budget of $75 billion.

1:01:01

Where do you think this money goes? It goes to America.

1:01:03

Actually, pragmatically putting all

1:01:06

morals aside, Saudi

1:01:08

Arabia is actually supporting the American economy because they're

1:01:10

giving so much money to all of these weapons.

1:01:14

Saudi Arabia, I think the sovereign must have

1:01:16

about $60 billion in American banks. While Israel

1:01:18

has been, and I'm talking about not as

1:01:21

an Arab or Muslim, financially,

1:01:24

Israel is sucking us dry. There is unanticipated

1:01:27

$1.6 billion that America has to come

1:01:30

with because of the war in the… America

1:01:32

has a moral commitment to Israel. Why? And

1:01:35

a strategic commitment. Why is

1:01:37

it strategic? People hate America because of Israel. Why

1:01:40

can America trust in the region to be as good an ally? Did

1:01:44

you try other allies? Did you try? We're

1:01:49

just like being… Why don't we explore

1:01:51

all of these allies? The

1:01:54

recent American experience would say,

1:01:56

as a former President Trump

1:01:58

announced in one sentence, Islam

1:02:01

hates us. Remember that?

1:02:03

When he said that and how it resonated? I

1:02:07

thought that that line, how many times

1:02:09

have I been wrong about this? When he said those

1:02:11

words, I said, that's it. He's

1:02:14

done. He just

1:02:16

convicted 1.5 billion people of hating America. And

1:02:21

yet his people go out in Russia and say

1:02:23

Jews will not replace us. It

1:02:25

doesn't make any sense, Chris. The thing is, you can

1:02:28

talk about, yes, do Muslims hate America? A lot of

1:02:30

Muslims hate America, of course, but they do that because

1:02:32

of their the same way that a lot of Jews

1:02:34

hate people because of Israel. But

1:02:37

the American experience is they've never

1:02:39

heard Israel say, we hate America.

1:02:42

And they don't say it, but

1:02:44

they act like they do. After 9-11,

1:02:47

in the American experience, that entire

1:02:50

part of the world celebrated. Absolutely.

1:02:53

And every day, every

1:02:55

time, there is a bomb that the people

1:02:57

in Israel also celebrate. Have you heard about

1:02:59

the cinema, Sidrout? Yes. Have

1:03:02

you heard about the pancakes celebration for

1:03:04

killing Rachel Khoury, the American citizen under

1:03:06

a bulldozer that Ben Shapiro said, like,

1:03:09

she's a fool? You

1:03:12

gave me one example. I'll give you 10 from the other side. Seriously,

1:03:15

it's just like the focus is on us. Oh, no, I could

1:03:17

give you a hundred examples. The

1:03:20

point is, hurt people hurt people.

1:03:22

Yes, I know. And angry people

1:03:24

do angry things. And again, I don't want to

1:03:26

erase Israel. I don't want people. I don't want because

1:03:28

this is. But how do you stop it? I'm not

1:03:30

asking you to solve it. You don't have

1:03:32

the. You're a doctor and a comedian. I'm a guy who

1:03:34

asked questions. It's really about justice. It's like if you. But

1:03:37

what do you do? What do you do? I

1:03:39

give you the wand. Okay. I mean,

1:03:41

I don't go back to 2000. So

1:03:44

now, what do you do now? Go back to

1:03:46

2000 to that area and just sit with the

1:03:48

Palestinians and give them the land. It's

1:03:50

about land versus peace. And where? So all

1:03:54

Israelis must leave Gaza

1:03:57

and the West Bank. I mean, that's part of

1:03:59

it. Yeah. But I

1:04:01

mean, again, I'm not

1:04:03

a Palestinian negotiator. And

1:04:05

I cannot give you the best way. But

1:04:07

what I'm telling you, what is happening right

1:04:09

now is not sustainable. And

1:04:11

the problem is these discussions, like what happens to the...

1:04:13

But it's not sustainable anywhere you look at it, Bessam,

1:04:15

it's really the United States. But you need to continue

1:04:17

the killing. Look, nobody is

1:04:20

gonna say, if they're speaking from their heart,

1:04:22

I want more people to die. Of course.

1:04:25

Right? But also you cannot say, I don't know what else

1:04:27

to do. Well, but I don't know what to do. I

1:04:29

know. But the thing is, we can

1:04:31

always say, what's happening now is wrong. I don't

1:04:33

know what should happen, but it's not that. And

1:04:36

then the people who are... I agree with you. So

1:04:38

whatever should be done is not

1:04:40

that. I agree. And it has to

1:04:42

stop. Because here's the thing.

1:04:44

We know what really pissed me off about Western media.

1:04:48

They wasted so much time. What's

1:04:50

the proportionate response? What's the proportionate

1:04:52

response? They're stalling. They're stalling. Well,

1:04:55

but that's because the death count

1:04:57

kept being used as the only

1:04:59

measure of the situation. And

1:05:02

we didn't do that when we went to Iraq and Afghanistan.

1:05:04

People have no idea how many people Americans in

1:05:06

the UNF... There are lots of media there, so

1:05:09

people... That's true. It's a very important point. Very

1:05:11

important point. But,

1:05:13

but... If

1:05:16

this had been America, okay? This is something that

1:05:18

I think is not fair to Israel. We

1:05:21

are asking them to do things that we

1:05:23

would have never done. Okay. If

1:05:25

you took a hundred something Americans... Now I know people are

1:05:27

going to say, what are you talking about? There are Americans

1:05:29

being held all over the place in Iran and other places,

1:05:32

and we don't fight to get them back. Russia. It's

1:05:34

true. It's true. I think America does more than a

1:05:36

lot of other countries to get its people back, but

1:05:38

it's far from perfect. I agree. But

1:05:41

if you took the Americans

1:05:43

in the way that they were taken on October 7th, and

1:05:46

you didn't give them back immediately, that

1:05:50

place would be ashes right now. Good. So

1:05:53

it happened. No, no, not good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:05:55

Not good. No, no, no, I agree with you.

1:05:57

Americans would want. I agree. Okay. So,

1:05:59

so let's go. Everybody know I

1:06:01

know because the thing is immediate immediately

1:06:04

happened immediately happened four months ago It

1:06:06

happened October 8th and October 9th and

1:06:08

October 10th and November I agree sober

1:06:10

how much longer Why isn't there pressure

1:06:13

because you cannot listen you cannot wipe up habits. No, no,

1:06:15

no So

1:06:17

the whole idea we gonna keep killing until we get

1:06:19

lucky We can't happen and be

1:06:21

and the thing is like people believe the moon. I

1:06:23

was raised your thing You know, have you read Patrick

1:06:25

King's King when he said there's like 450 miles of

1:06:27

tunnels Do you believe

1:06:30

that seriously like then the end the

1:06:32

New York's probably exaggerated like everything else

1:06:34

New York subway system in total is

1:06:37

430 probably exaggerated like everything exaggerated. He's like the

1:06:39

New York Times has been a mouthpiece Always

1:06:42

when I mean they are not even

1:06:44

challenging anything and this idea of lies

1:06:46

and lies and lies and lies and

1:06:49

lies They are pathological liars. Here's here's

1:06:51

my point not point. It's a question Hmm,

1:06:54

and I don't even like framing it this way

1:06:56

But again, we're operating from a place where we're

1:06:58

all lost with this. Nobody should like the status

1:07:01

quo and She'll

1:07:03

lost to just say cease-fire and

1:07:05

then that is how about how about how is the

1:07:08

solution? Ceasefire and let's talk about

1:07:10

what the UN said Early

1:07:12

on and now everybody hates everything every institution you

1:07:14

ends no good. Nothing good Give

1:07:17

back all the people live

1:07:19

or dead give them back

1:07:21

in Three days because I'm sure

1:07:23

it'll take you time and threes a good biblical number give

1:07:26

back all the people and

1:07:29

We will cease fire right?

1:07:32

There'll be an armistice at least right you'll stop doing

1:07:34

what you're doing We'll stop doing what we're doing tall

1:07:36

heads below stop doing what they're doing. Tell the Houthis

1:07:38

stop doing what they're doing. Everybody stops Even

1:07:41

if that were achievable Nobody

1:07:43

is requiring the first element Every

1:07:46

time there's a deal on the table the UN

1:07:48

said early on give back all of the hostages

1:07:51

Unconditionally, it was never even

1:07:53

considered as a deal point and

1:07:56

in America would be deal point one. Yes. Yes I

1:07:58

know what you want. We don't negotiate with terrorists But let's

1:08:00

put that to the side Give us back

1:08:02

all our people or we're gonna come and

1:08:04

it's never gonna stop But you understand that like

1:08:06

also there's they want their people you understand there

1:08:08

is there's hostage in their people If

1:08:13

you heard you know back but also there in

1:08:16

Paris today Israel also refused that because there was

1:08:18

all because there was a whole there's a deal

1:08:21

on the table for a permanent ceasefire and

1:08:23

just like a total exchange of everybody because

1:08:25

also I mean again put yourself in In

1:08:27

those Hamas shoes. It's like I'm gonna give

1:08:29

them. I have no leverage gonna come in

1:08:32

and get right, right So basically you want

1:08:34

something that would give a kind of a

1:08:36

permanent solution and the permanent solution Ceasefire

1:08:38

exchange everybody and let's sit down and

1:08:41

talk and make sure this one happen

1:08:43

again Hamas listen, I'm not here

1:08:45

to defend Hamas. I don't know defending them. You

1:08:47

are a Hamas defender You

1:08:49

look like you might be my master. By the way, but we are cousins,

1:08:51

but by the way But

1:08:57

but but so I don't know but

1:08:59

like again, I think What

1:09:02

is the solution not this Chris? Yes, and I'm sure

1:09:04

that we agree on this because this is too much

1:09:07

This is too much and and the

1:09:09

people who were killed and injured They

1:09:12

and their families are not gonna be

1:09:14

friends with Israel They're gonna let not gonna like

1:09:16

them you have created a permanent

1:09:18

problem for years to come You

1:09:20

have created a million Hamas you

1:09:22

have created you have created resistance in Israel

1:09:25

that you did not have and yes And

1:09:27

in America and and that happened because of

1:09:29

what was happening before October 7th. It doesn't

1:09:31

start at October 7th So the

1:09:33

thing is this is one of the

1:09:36

yet even in medieval ages Chris People

1:09:39

stopped so people can bury their dads people

1:09:41

in vans that cannot even have this luxury Yeah,

1:09:44

it is just like heartbreaking. They are

1:09:46

they are blocking the aid trucks. They're

1:09:48

blocking everything I totally agree. She's a

1:09:50

humanitarian aspect of it has been mismanaged

1:09:53

and wrong stop Let's do what medieval

1:09:55

people did and just have time

1:09:57

and then talk because you cannot talk

1:09:59

about like what will happen after

1:10:01

until you've you're done with this done

1:10:04

with this Hamas stopped doing shit but

1:10:06

there has to be more conversation and

1:10:08

that pressure to give the people back

1:10:11

I get that it's leverage then then

1:10:13

then then you have Saudi

1:10:15

Arabia you have Egypt you have Qatar you have all

1:10:17

of the players they sit with them take the homages

1:10:19

and send them to Qatar oh let them

1:10:21

let them be taken care of none of

1:10:23

them I'm fine with like total exchange but

1:10:25

it is the question what happens the day

1:10:28

after and what happens the day after could

1:10:30

not to be discussed until today we finished we

1:10:32

finished this war because this has to stop because

1:10:34

they can say what would happen if they come

1:10:36

to us you've been

1:10:38

doing this for six months but who says

1:10:41

don't stop except

1:10:43

certain Hawks in

1:10:46

America who believe like this line

1:10:48

of they can't stop until they get rid of

1:10:50

Hamas I am always surprised they're isolated they're they're

1:10:52

not you know but it doesn't matter you know

1:10:55

about the human beings it's the idea yes tonight

1:10:57

I'm gonna have someone as is often the case

1:10:59

on my show all these people are much more

1:11:01

sophisticated than I am they're

1:11:03

all exports in their areas so I'm gonna

1:11:06

have a national security expert on tonight and

1:11:08

he's gonna say Israel can't stop until they

1:11:11

end Hamas oh like we did like

1:11:13

we did right Israel's formidable okay

1:11:15

they're not us all right and I watched

1:11:17

what we did in there and I watched

1:11:19

how we used every arrow in the quiver

1:11:22

in terms of we're gonna give you money

1:11:24

we're gonna help build with this we're gonna

1:11:26

bring in professionals we're gonna firebomb everything we

1:11:28

don't we're gonna do everything and

1:11:30

Isis is backing on the

1:11:33

game Taliban is backing on the game

1:11:35

Al Qaeda is becoming a brand again

1:11:37

and spreading around you

1:11:39

can't kill an idea by killing the

1:11:41

people who believe it you have to

1:11:43

replace it with a better idea and

1:11:45

there's a reason that

1:11:48

these ideas take root among

1:11:50

the poorest least educated most

1:11:53

desperate not always but in

1:11:55

general and that is true

1:11:57

here also you don't kill Hamas you find a

1:12:00

tunnel. Let's say everybody from Hamas is in the

1:12:02

tunnel, even though I don't even know what that

1:12:04

means anymore. Because as you say, the enemy of

1:12:06

my enemy is my friend. Now I'm living in

1:12:08

a hellscape. I'm like, I'm living

1:12:10

in Thunderdome in Gaza. All I

1:12:12

know is that Israel and it seems like everyone

1:12:14

in the world wants to kill me every five

1:12:16

minutes. I'm in favor of anybody who's

1:12:18

fighting for me. And people who say,

1:12:20

oh, come on, you're being a

1:12:23

little dramatic. Oh, really? Because that's not happening

1:12:25

in America right now. Trumpism

1:12:27

isn't about that, right? Trump is just

1:12:29

such a magnetic, genius leader with all

1:12:31

the answers for our country that people

1:12:34

follow him. Of course not. He's an

1:12:36

agent of animus. He

1:12:38

is a product of grievance that is

1:12:40

justified in many, many cases. They

1:12:43

see him, they don't want to be like him, except the money,

1:12:46

if it's real, right? They don't want them

1:12:48

to marry their sister, right? They don't want to go

1:12:50

into business with them, right? But

1:12:53

he is protecting them against

1:12:55

the things they fear more. But

1:12:58

that's the same thing. It's an extraction

1:13:00

of the same human principle. You're

1:13:03

not going to root out Hamas. You would

1:13:05

have to have that population

1:13:07

with a lot of foreign help

1:13:10

say, we're going to give you yourselves

1:13:12

back. Okay. You're going to, we're going to help you have

1:13:15

real elections to the extent they even exist anymore. No

1:13:18

Hamas. Maybe it'll be the same people

1:13:20

who now have a new party name

1:13:22

or whatever they're called. But again, all

1:13:24

of those people who are pushed into

1:13:26

radicalism, you talk about the reason they

1:13:28

push them to radicalism, right? And I

1:13:30

understand that also the radical government in

1:13:32

Israel is feeding of that fear. And

1:13:35

if the radicals get

1:13:38

in control of things, everybody loses. I

1:13:41

don't want Hamas to continue because their

1:13:43

existence should be nullified by having people

1:13:45

taking their rights. I don't

1:13:48

want Israelis to be wiped out or killed.

1:13:50

And I think, and I was actually, I was,

1:13:52

I was heartbroken when I read this report by

1:13:54

Dan Cohen, he's an Israeli Jewish journalist.

1:14:00

who lead this audio from

1:14:02

ZvLavidot, he's a

1:14:04

right-wing leader with Netanyahu, when they were

1:14:06

actually negotiating with the parents of the

1:14:09

hostages, just like their pawns, we're just

1:14:11

gonna get rid of them, and you

1:14:13

have to accept that. The

1:14:15

people in Israel doesn't want that happening.

1:14:17

It's true. It doesn't want that happening. That's

1:14:20

very true. It doesn't want it. The families of

1:14:22

the hostages have become a very powerful entity here

1:14:24

among the masses. I

1:14:26

cannot, if my son was there,

1:14:30

I can't even imagine what I would be going through

1:14:32

if it was like locked up in a tunnel with

1:14:34

some people, of course. You would hate everybody. I would

1:14:36

hate everybody, but as you go

1:14:38

through the hate, as you go all the

1:14:40

rage, you need to know what works,

1:14:42

because hate might not be the answer, and you said

1:14:44

it before. We went after

1:14:46

Carter, went after the government side, WMD

1:14:49

that never existed, Miriam Iraqi killed, all

1:14:51

of these soldiers killed, not

1:14:54

just in Iraq, but like American soldiers, and the

1:14:56

veterans, and the people lost limbs, and

1:15:00

they are crippled for the rest of their lives.

1:15:02

For what? For what? For

1:15:04

a rage, for anger. That

1:15:07

is not true. And the thing is like, if

1:15:09

anything, we should learn from our mistakes, but we

1:15:12

say history keep repeating itself. No, because

1:15:14

people are stupid. As they continue

1:15:16

to repeat their own mistakes. But it is the

1:15:19

human experience. Yeah. Santa

1:15:22

Iana was right. Those who fail

1:15:24

to remember the lessons of history are

1:15:26

doomed to repeat it. But

1:15:29

what idea was he facilitating? It's

1:15:32

not that you don't remember the lessons of history.

1:15:35

A part of this is education,

1:15:37

ignorance, knowing. And that's one of

1:15:39

the beautiful gifts that you gave the audience today,

1:15:41

is incredible context. But

1:15:44

it's that you don't want

1:15:46

to do it differently. Because

1:15:48

it's serving. There

1:15:50

is very little reason for power, if

1:15:53

there is no fear. Yeah. You

1:15:55

really don't need to give me any agency over your life.

1:15:57

I'll give it to you. A lot of the Arab. regimes

1:16:00

use the idea of Israel

1:16:02

to maintain control. People use

1:16:05

the idea of fear, like Mexicans,

1:16:07

Arabs, Muslims, Jews.

1:16:10

You need an enemy. You

1:16:12

need an enemy to propagate, to

1:16:15

maintain control over people. Because how can

1:16:17

you control the masses if it's not

1:16:19

for fear? It's true. It

1:16:22

is true. And it's always been true. And

1:16:24

for people who see it as a developing

1:16:26

world thing, it can be more obvious, more

1:16:29

grotesque, more obvious, more ugly. But

1:16:32

it's just as real as what's happening in our two-party

1:16:34

system. The

1:16:36

southern border that we're obsessed with,

1:16:39

I have never seen a problem

1:16:41

in my life. Because even this, it's

1:16:44

not as easy or as simple as I'm making

1:16:46

it. But sometimes I try to reduce things to

1:16:48

the simple just to kind of create some energy

1:16:51

of hope. The

1:16:54

southern border is kind of simple. It's

1:16:56

not the Middle East. There is

1:16:58

no God speak involved in it.

1:17:00

And there aren't decades and decades

1:17:03

of dead and legacy

1:17:05

effect. But we

1:17:08

don't fix it. Why? Because

1:17:10

it's a great boogeyman. And

1:17:12

it allows the right to say, these Democrats

1:17:14

are crazy. They're going to get you killed.

1:17:17

These are savages coming across. You hear about the

1:17:19

24,000 Chinese that just

1:17:21

crossed in San Diego. What

1:17:24

is that about? It's scary.

1:17:26

And you know you can fix it. You

1:17:29

know, it's never about the problem. It's how you

1:17:31

manipulate the news. That's right. It could be about

1:17:33

anything. It could be land, borders, gender. How

1:17:36

can we find ways so we can fight with each

1:17:38

other? That's right. I got a picture.

1:17:41

I got a picture. Fear is the commodity, right? I

1:17:43

got a picture story. There is

1:17:45

a fungus infection,

1:17:48

all infections, eating holes in people's lung tissue. They

1:17:50

think they have cases in all 50 states. They

1:17:52

wanted me to jump on this like it's

1:17:54

the new pandemic. I said, well, how many cases?

1:17:57

And it was like, there's something killing everybody in

1:17:59

every state. You know what I mean? By

1:18:01

that measure, all I should talk about every night on

1:18:03

my show is fentanyl. If I wanted

1:18:05

to talk about what's killing the most Americans in the most

1:18:08

places, most by surprise, it's

1:18:10

fentanyl. Or your car is killing you. That's

1:18:13

right. Most people dap in car, whatever it is, it's your cell

1:18:15

phone, don't put it near your head. How do I talk to

1:18:17

you? So fear is a commodity.

1:18:20

And I think one of the most, why

1:18:23

I wanted to talk to you so much is one,

1:18:25

because I wanted to encourage you once you deal with

1:18:28

the tour and get the special, you gotta have a

1:18:30

platform, Bessom. And I can say, Produce

1:18:32

it for me. And I'll mean it. Produced by Chris Cuomo.

1:18:35

You're gonna get a lot better than me. We're gonna wanna produce your

1:18:37

show. The combination, and

1:18:40

Stuart has this also too. He doesn't like me, but I

1:18:43

like him. The intelligence, the

1:18:47

knowledge, the human experience, and

1:18:49

what you flatter me with, which is nowhere near as true with

1:18:51

me as it is with you, you

1:18:53

can feel with your heart

1:18:55

as well as your head what

1:18:58

the competing exigencies are. And I've heard

1:19:00

you do it on a lot of

1:19:02

things. You just, this is timely. So

1:19:04

people grabbed onto you with

1:19:06

what they heard of Piers Morgan. Not unlike

1:19:08

what happened with Hassan

1:19:11

Yousaf, the green prince,

1:19:13

the son of Hamas. He

1:19:15

resonated in the same way, because this guy, his father

1:19:17

is the head of, one of the heads of Hamas.

1:19:20

And now he's become so

1:19:22

inflamed that he's saying things that I

1:19:25

can't believe he's saying. Because

1:19:28

we're desperate for voices that have some kind of

1:19:30

context and understanding. What people aren't

1:19:32

used to here is, and again,

1:19:34

it's because I don't take any ownership of a side.

1:19:36

I just want it to stop. And

1:19:39

I cover the humanitarian things, because it's obvious.

1:19:42

I cover the existential issues

1:19:44

for Israel, because they're obvious. But all I want

1:19:46

is for it to stop to the extent that

1:19:48

that matters. I do sometimes

1:19:50

wonder in my cynical moments, do

1:19:54

we want this to stop? Or

1:19:56

is this kind of good for business one

1:19:58

way or another? Like is this? Is this

1:20:00

kind of good? It is definitely good for

1:20:02

many businesses, the military industrial complex, for media,

1:20:05

for sensations. It is great. I got to

1:20:07

let you go, Bessam. Are we

1:20:09

putting all of this on the Internet? Because I hope

1:20:11

it is. Because it is such a beautiful discussion. Every

1:20:13

single word. That's amazing. And here's how it must end.

1:20:17

You are busy, but I think you

1:20:19

have a responsibility and a talent that

1:20:21

is different than a lot

1:20:23

of funny people. Thank you. And you

1:20:25

are funny. People are going to be surprised how funny

1:20:28

you are. Don't sell yourself

1:20:30

short about language. Your

1:20:32

language is beautiful and eloquent.

1:20:34

Thank you. And you are funny. Well,

1:20:37

you're going to come to my show. I'm going to

1:20:39

come to your show next week. Even though I do

1:20:41

not like going to New Jersey. Me neither. I'm

1:20:44

coming for you. And

1:20:46

you have an open invitation on my show. Thank

1:20:49

you. Wherever you are, whenever you want

1:20:51

it. And what I will do to make that real

1:20:53

is I will call

1:20:55

you on a regular basis. And you

1:20:57

are free to say no without insult.

1:21:00

Ninety-nine. No, no, no. But

1:21:02

I'm saying it's okay. You're busy. You

1:21:04

have other things. There are other shows. But

1:21:06

I want you to have a platform.

1:21:08

We need the voice and the experience of

1:21:11

somebody who lives the experience. Thank you. And

1:21:13

that's all I want is for better minds to

1:21:15

help influence people who want to make decisions for

1:21:17

themselves. And I appreciate that. And you've helped

1:21:19

me with that. Thank you so much. Thank you,

1:21:21

brother. Thank you. This has been an

1:21:24

amazing, amazing. This is actually one of my best interviews ever.

1:21:26

Today. Today is one of your best ones.

1:21:29

Have you thought of stand-off, Chris? Thank

1:21:34

you, brother. Thank you so much, Chris. Bess Amuse. My

1:21:36

Italian brother. All success to you in everything that you do. And

1:21:38

I hope there's a lot more to come. Thank

1:21:43

you, Chris.

1:21:47

I will offer him a platform on my

1:21:49

News Nation show whenever he wants it. Because

1:21:52

it is in the diversity of voices, even

1:21:54

if it's uncomfortable, even if you don't like

1:21:56

it. You have to understand what

1:21:59

you think you will. oppose. Otherwise,

1:22:01

you're going to become what you oppose. That's

1:22:04

what happens whenever belief lives in a vacuum. We've

1:22:06

seen it again and again. Do

1:22:08

I like everything I said? Do I agree with

1:22:10

it? Do I feel the same way? It's irrelevant.

1:22:13

I'm not a stakeholder, except as an American citizen,

1:22:15

and as a citizen of the world, who

1:22:17

doesn't believe that violence is going to get us to a better

1:22:20

place because it never has. But

1:22:22

I'll tell you, I want

1:22:24

to hear from him. And I want to hear from

1:22:26

others like him. And I want

1:22:28

to hear from people who are living the

1:22:31

Israeli and the Jewish experience in Israel and

1:22:33

here. It

1:22:35

matters for you to listen with your

1:22:37

head as well as your heart. And

1:22:39

I hope you took something from it, other

1:22:42

than just feeling

1:22:44

anger that maybe you don't

1:22:46

even understand. Give me your comments. Give me

1:22:48

your questions. Thank you for subscribing and following.

1:22:50

And I hope you benefited from the conversation

1:22:52

as much as I did. Thank

1:23:00

you.