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us is michael pearson michael. Welcome to the program. Thanks charlie. Glad to

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be here. Uh, you are your former air traffic control All

2:00

right yes and also a lawyer and you

2:02

teach at Arizona State University? I do and

2:04

so you're lot lot of want to cover

2:06

with you or your involve a class action

2:09

lawsuit that still ongoing with the Sai. And

2:11

I wanted to tell us about that. but

2:14

I do want to kind of on speak

2:16

more broadly because we had a conversation reason

2:18

that that went viral where we talked about

2:20

how the Fk. And some of

2:22

airlines are beginning to prioritize diversity

2:24

over merit and excellence, and I

2:27

think you have something to share

2:29

in to regarding that. Those statements.

2:32

Well. It certainly from air traffic

2:34

control side the of a for

2:36

years along with obviously other government

2:38

agencies on but the i feel

2:40

more critical because sake related occupation.

2:42

ah and they've. Engaged

2:44

and when I believed to be a form

2:47

of social engineering for years by the got

2:49

fairly. Blatant. Sinbad

2:51

in Nam, Twenty Twelve Twenty

2:53

Thirteen period where they took

2:55

the best source of controller

2:58

applicants the the Pipeline traffic

3:00

Controllers on their starts at

3:02

universities across country and in

3:04

a midnight raid so to

3:06

speak it literally in late

3:08

December, Twenty Thirteen is notified.

3:11

All. The students who paid to asian and

3:13

who'd gone through to to for your programs.

3:16

Investing. Their. Life's work Becoming

3:18

an air Traffic controller. they eliminated them

3:20

from a preferential hiring less and the

3:22

reason was because they were the orange

3:25

color and a lot of those young

3:27

folks. Who. Are on that

3:29

list. by the way. it was

3:31

a very diverse list of males,

3:33

females, Hispanics, African Americans on in

3:35

the be very straightforward: your race,

3:37

your gender has nothing to do

3:39

with your Billie isn't a higher

3:41

travel trailer thrive and I trained

3:44

hundreds him and so I know

3:46

that for a fact, it's really

3:48

more your motivation and yes, your

3:50

ability to persevere through a tough

3:52

training program. And so literally, this

3:54

was from a the organization called

3:56

the National Black Coalition of Federation.

3:58

Employees who fell through. To me,

4:00

white. Privilege. To controllers

4:02

on the list, they went to

4:04

the Rainbow Push Coalition. Was

4:07

Jesse Jackson the time. And

4:09

the D O T. And

4:12

eliminate the program our nine and was

4:14

race based. There's absolutely no doubt that

4:16

sweater for litigate case when as organ

4:19

approved bring justice These kids. Who.

4:21

Lost them knowing their. To.

4:24

Asian. Ah, But their

4:26

life dream simply because. They.

4:28

Were all wasted, the victims of

4:30

identity politics. So then post twenty

4:33

Thirteen twenty The ten years ago,

4:35

How has Atp Air Traffic Control

4:38

changed? Since. Then well

4:40

I I also am. Definitely

4:43

one of the things that

4:45

happened when the causal effect

4:47

we're now the ebay has.

4:50

Facilities: At lack. Adequate

4:52

staffing. A lot of the delays you hear

4:54

about her actually cause a shut down the

4:56

airspace that because of the weather book as

4:58

airlines where are? they literally shut down sectors

5:00

because they don't have enough folks to work.

5:03

Most controllers at major so is now working

5:05

sixty weeks. Ah, A

5:07

day of over per week which is

5:09

exceedingly costs a you're traveling chores make

5:12

a i'm very good wage arm and

5:14

what happens is when he's controllers worked

5:16

sixty weeks after while these not seeking

5:18

out he can imagine if you do

5:20

the math at an exponential cost of

5:23

the system. Nine controllers tired. Ah,

5:26

The attrition rate is high on

5:28

and lot of folks are leaving

5:30

the profession. So here's what we

5:32

have. It's from the situation. We

5:35

have less qualified people working more

5:37

airplanes and it's some it's not

5:39

a good situation and amount of

5:41

table pounder amount of person the

5:44

predicts dire consequences. There's a lot

5:46

of them technologies, automation and help

5:48

air traffic controller separate airplanes now

5:50

but. There's some. The deficit

5:53

in the system has been. Been

5:55

hidden hidden from. Surly.

5:57

The flying public, the airlines. you got it figured out.

6:00

The Barrel flight to whether for

6:03

years and they've been able to

6:05

do certain things for a long

6:07

time. So when the ebay shuts

6:10

down sectors and causes recruits our

6:12

eliminates flights that's also causal effect

6:14

of eliminating the controller pipeline and

6:16

according to New York Times there's

6:19

more more near misses at airports

6:21

their way up. Is. This

6:23

direct related to this and are you afraid of

6:25

a ticking time bomb? Ma'am I'll tell

6:28

you i after while controls get tired. They

6:31

work. At most your major facilities the

6:33

bigger cities a handle most of the air

6:35

care trap which is airline traffic. The most

6:37

controllers were six day workweek from exposed to

6:39

work, five day work weeks and again as

6:41

a domino effect I told you about what

6:43

ends up happening is controllers work their work

6:45

this over in the to get a day

6:47

off. They. Take sick leave So

6:49

the financial costs are high but the

6:51

I'm a toll is high also and

6:53

so it's It's very difficult when you're

6:55

tired and your sleep cycles for control

6:57

is better cause your circadian cycles because

7:00

of the nature, the way air traffic

7:02

controllers work. There were two nights two

7:04

mornings at work a midnight. it's not

7:06

good for your your body is not

7:08

good for your awareness and so there's

7:10

a lot of factors involved that cutting

7:12

the pipeline and eliminating folks that word

7:14

have been a fantastic certified air traffic

7:17

controllers working the system now. Has

7:19

led to a lot of safety issues,

7:21

but the. Thing. That the

7:23

public doesn't know is that air

7:25

traffic controllers about fifteen twenty years

7:27

ago were given immunity for close

7:30

calls so used to be of

7:32

an air traffic controller had an

7:34

operational air controllers com deals and

7:36

operational are simply means that to

7:38

airplanes cat less A to close

7:41

Western standards required separation that those

7:43

controllers can be pulled off the

7:45

boards and given retraining. This not

7:47

so anymore. And. Fact in

7:49

order to get retraining for controller

7:52

the managers of silly have to

7:54

go to extraordinary measures and usually

7:56

their overruled so you have is.

7:59

A. system, which wasn't meant to be deterrent. It

8:02

was meant to provide training to controllers to bring

8:04

them back up to speed if they kept having

8:06

repetitive error or they kept having deals operational errors.

8:09

It's a non existent now. Do you know

8:11

of any examples about citing them but just

8:13

curious of people that have been pushed through

8:16

the system as pilots or air traffic controllers

8:19

that might not have been as

8:21

qualified as they should be? Yeah,

8:23

absolutely. Hundreds of them. Hundreds.

8:25

Hundreds of them. And would these people

8:27

be in the, let's say, the diversity

8:29

box? Certainly a

8:32

percentage, I believe, are. Usually

8:34

when I look at that or when folks still in

8:37

the FAA, I still have a lot of contacts that

8:39

work in the field in the FAA and

8:41

I get lots of communications. And of course, they

8:43

can't become or they can't

8:46

speak out themselves because they will be retaliated against.

8:48

The FAA has gone full Wokeness,

8:50

full DEI. And certainly

8:53

with the management over the last few

8:55

years and the air traffic branch, they're more worried

8:57

about diversity than they are near misses. I'll

9:00

give you a real quick story. Please do. Yeah, and then

9:02

I want you to repeat that, but please do. Yeah, I'll

9:04

give you a real quick story. I had a manager from

9:06

a major facility contact me who's

9:08

been in the FAA for decades and

9:11

tell me that during one of

9:13

their management meetings that

9:15

was supposed to be about how

9:18

do we reduce or eliminate these

9:20

operational errors, lack of standard separation,

9:22

people getting airplanes getting too close.

9:25

And the whole time the meeting was going on, the person

9:27

in DC holding the meeting, all he wanted to do was

9:29

talk about diversity, equity, and

9:32

things of that nature. And literally

9:34

the managers themselves across the country

9:36

were communicating in text,

9:39

instant messaging offline about

9:41

what a waste of time it was and they were exceedingly

9:43

disappointed. The people in the field are

9:46

not the people I'm complaining about. No, they're

9:48

the heroes. They eliminated interviews

9:50

for air traffic controller applicants. It used

9:52

to be that before you could become

9:54

a controller, you

9:56

would have to go to a facility and talk to somebody and

9:58

that was to make sure you understand. English and you

10:00

could basically communicate. They eliminated that because that was

10:03

a barrier to people that could not understand English.

10:05

Well, the language of air traffic control

10:07

is English. Yes,

10:09

it's even English in almost

10:11

every country, right? IKO, yeah.

10:14

It's worldwide. I mean, if you go to Japan,

10:17

you're going to communicate in English if you land.

10:19

If you fly over any country and you're part

10:21

of an air crew, the language is English. Do

10:23

you know of current controllers that are

10:26

not as well versed in the language?

10:28

I don't know of any personally because

10:30

I've been out of the field. I

10:33

haven't worked as a controller in over 10

10:35

years, but I have stories from other controllers

10:37

training people that I trained where

10:40

they're exasperated or they're having a difficult

10:42

time because they will

10:44

be dealing with someone

10:47

and their

10:49

language capabilities aren't up to par. So I've

10:51

heard stories. Yeah, there is this clip I

10:54

think we'll get of an air traffic controller,

10:56

a woman who was arguing with the pilot.

10:58

Yes. And I've had tons of pilots say

11:01

that woman was totally wrong. She was. I

11:03

know the clip you're talking about. It's totally

11:05

inappropriate. And I would venture

11:07

to say that that person, I don't know this

11:09

to be a fact. So this is pure speculation.

11:12

And the current makeup of the FAA and

11:14

managers are not allowed to effectively

11:16

discipline air traffic controllers. Not

11:19

only do they get a pass

11:21

on operational errors to this air traffic

11:23

community program that's been put in place,

11:26

but air traffic managers who try to

11:28

do the right thing are oftentimes retaliated

11:30

and their careers suffer. So

11:32

I'd be shocked because of the nature of

11:35

the power of the air traffic controllers union has. If

11:38

in fact that controller suffered any consequences

11:40

at all, it was embarrassing to the

11:43

system. And I'm also a pilot. So

11:46

I can tell you she was, and I was also

11:48

a quality assurance specialist for the FAA. So I happened to

11:50

know the rules and regulations fairly well. She

11:52

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Michael their part of the promise. Also the airlines

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and ah, this is something that you just know.

13:07

probably a decently can you speak to that. Any

13:11

time you sacrifice safety at the altar, political

13:13

correctness, or woke this, you're risking people's wives.

13:16

Doesn't matter with air traffic control does matter

13:18

for the flight side. I think most people

13:20

in this audience and most people actually comes

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password are so the race, ethnicity, or

13:40

sexual preference or the other garbage. That.

13:43

The people deal with any time you're

13:45

in a mirrored based occupation you cannot

13:47

afford to do that my personal belief,

13:49

and I think. Most. Folks

13:51

in the industry would It would agree with that.

13:54

there's enough. examples of shining

13:56

stars that every race ethnicity and

13:58

creed the phillies position us However,

14:00

what we're doing is we're weakening the fabric and the

14:02

system as a whole by

14:04

not requiring

14:07

air traffic controllers to have a certain

14:09

level of expertise

14:11

or qualifications prior

14:14

to being checked out and certified. I want to

14:16

play Cut 86 and you're going to

14:18

kind of tell us what's going on here because it's a

14:20

lot of lingo going on here. It's a lot of syntax.

14:22

Yeah, play Cut 86 please. For

14:25

a short approach, if you're going to do a Power Off 180, that's

14:27

my point. Well, okay, I will

14:29

remember that from now on, no problem. Yeah,

14:32

when you ask for a short approach, I expect you to

14:34

turn your base at being the numbers. That's

14:37

incorrect. All right, this will be

14:39

a full stop for 65 Charlie and maybe we

14:41

need to talk about that some more because you're

14:43

the first controller in 15 years that's ever said

14:45

that. Well, I'm just, you

14:48

know, if you ask for a short

14:50

approach, a short approach

14:52

is when you turn your base at being the numbers. If

14:55

I know you're a student asking for a

14:57

short approach, I know you're out there practicing

14:59

and you probably will extend. But

15:02

if you're doing something other than a short

15:04

approach, don't ask for a short approach. Well,

15:07

I will definitely look up the definition of short approach

15:09

because I've never seen where it says you turn base

15:11

at being the numbers because I don't see how you

15:13

could possibly do that. Well, I

15:16

Googled it actually. I Googled short approach and

15:18

it said to turn your base at being

15:20

or before the numbers and you

15:22

will land probably touchdown around this field.

15:25

Your response? That's a ludicrous response.

15:28

The air traffic controller rules are in a document.

15:31

It's a government order called the 7110.65. There's

15:36

nowhere in there that you'll find or the aim,

15:38

the airman's information manual apologies when

15:41

you find that definition of a short approach. It's ludicrous

15:43

to expect that. It really depends on the type of

15:45

airplane, the weather conditions, everything

15:47

else. But I've never and I've

15:49

flown and I've

15:51

never heard of that definition of a

15:54

short approach and I've worked millions of

15:56

airplanes over my career and actually this

16:00

very clip was passed amongst air

16:02

traffic controllers. I happen to be on the

16:04

list and her

16:08

position is untenable.

16:11

There's nowhere in the regulations. In fact, as soon as

16:13

she said, I Googled it,

16:16

most folks should realize that that person

16:20

should not be working airplanes. Do you think she

16:22

would be fired? No, I think as

16:25

I stated before I doubt very seriously if anything happened to her

16:27

at all. It's embarrassing to the

16:29

system. She might have got a letter or

16:32

a counseling session with the supervisor, but I

16:34

can guarantee well, I can't guarantee you. It's

16:37

my sincere belief that that person didn't

16:39

suffer any time off was not retrained

16:42

because they can't retrain them without the

16:44

managers getting disciplined

16:46

themselves from folks in DC or worried about

16:48

DEI issues. Now she's a female so there's

16:51

a quota. Well, she's protected

16:53

class and the only people that aren't

16:55

protected class being very straightforward it might not be politically

16:57

correct, but I could care a lot or white males.

17:01

Yeah, we're the problem. All those safe landings

17:03

for 40 years. Yeah, and safe air traffic

17:05

controller operations. How racist of us to want

17:07

to land airplanes. There's an FAA document from

17:09

2013. This is during the same period of

17:11

time and is

17:14

this part of your lawsuit? I'm not sure. If

17:16

I saw the document I could tell

17:18

you I'm very familiar. Is this one?

17:20

Oh, yes. You know what I'm saying?

17:22

Yeah, okay. There's hundreds of thousands of

17:25

documents regarding our lawsuit. So

17:27

I want to just read this. This is from the FAA

17:29

in 2013. They say key questions

17:31

for leadership. So who do they mean

17:34

by leadership? The FAA when they say

17:36

this? The folks in LaFonte Plaza, which

17:38

is... That's where the Department

17:40

of Transportation is? The DOT and the FAA headquarters are

17:42

right next to each other. Get off the metro stop.

17:44

Wasn't that Darren LaHood at the time or something or

17:46

under Obama? The

17:48

DOT? Yeah, something like Ray LaHood or

17:50

something? It was Ray, but then it

17:52

was someone else. He was Rodney Slater.

17:55

Yeah, okay. And then yes, now it's

17:57

Mr. Buttigieg. Super qualified. Yeah. different

18:00

story. Yeah, another DEI one. So

18:02

this is what are the relative

18:04

values of diversity and the prediction

18:06

of performance outcomes? And so what's

18:08

amazing is that the FAA admits

18:10

in their documents that there's a

18:12

trade-off if you embrace diversity. Yes.

18:15

The FAA understands and knows that

18:18

the risks are going to be higher

18:20

because and really it's not faced or

18:23

directed toward any race. It's more of

18:25

a competency issue. As I stated before,

18:27

I've known air traffic controllers

18:29

that are African Americans, Asians,

18:31

Filipinos, certain female air traffic controllers, some

18:34

of the best people I've ever worked with to let you

18:36

know. This would be very straightforward. But

18:38

the focus on identity politics... It forces

18:40

it where it's not... merit should be

18:42

the only thing we care about. And

18:44

there's plenty of people out there of

18:46

all creeds and colors that have

18:49

that are different races. Yeah. That could easily

18:51

do these jobs. But trying to put everyone

18:53

and paint everyone in a broad brush, no

18:56

pun intended, with a broad brush and

18:58

say, okay, you can become an air traffic controller whether

19:00

they have the competency levels or not is creating

19:04

an intentional hazard to

19:06

flight safety. And they've been doing it for over a

19:08

decade. So I want

19:10

to reiterate this. In

19:14

part of your lawsuit, you've discovered

19:16

these quiz questions. Yes.

19:18

What's going on with them? Once the FAA

19:20

wiped out the air traffic

19:23

CTI program, or attempted to, but Congress,

19:26

thank goodness, has reinstated it. But

19:28

back in 2013, the FAA literally

19:30

wiped out lists of qualified folks,

19:33

again, of all races, creeds, and colors, who

19:35

could be air traffic controllers because the

19:38

National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees,

19:40

NBC FAA, decided it was too

19:42

white. And they used their political power and lobbying

19:44

power to get that done.

19:47

So that was the inception.

19:49

That's what started. Our

19:51

lawsuit is about that and about

19:53

these folks being struck off the

19:55

record due to characteristics

19:58

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20:01

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in the test there

21:25

were certain things that

21:27

if you said you weren't good at science you

21:30

actually got extra points? Well yeah

21:32

I'll jump to that. What happened was prior to

21:34

2013 there was

21:36

a peer-reviewed employment

21:38

test called the ATSA. It

21:41

was a test that controllers had to take

21:43

to qualify and it had been reviewed

21:46

and modified many times to take out any form

21:49

of bias and the records are there. It was

21:51

done by the Silver Nautical Medical Institute, CAMI. Well

21:54

in 2013 the FAA hired

21:56

an outside vendor called APT

21:58

Metrics. for

22:00

the first time in history to

22:02

do an outside analysis, an

22:04

outside review, and develop a new test. The

22:07

new test was called a biographical

22:09

assessment, or

22:12

biographical questionnaire. They changed the name midway through.

22:14

In this test, things such as what was your

22:16

worst grade in high

22:19

school, what was your favorite sport, do

22:22

you like math, and

22:24

if you had any aviation experience. Ironically, that

22:26

test when you grade it out, if

22:29

your worst grade was science, you got 15

22:31

points. If your best grade was science, you got

22:34

less. If you had any aviation or military

22:36

experience at all, or were a pilot, you

22:39

got no credit for it. What they did

22:41

is credit for it, no credit. Basically you

22:44

got three points in one question, the other

22:46

you got zero credit, even though there's a

22:48

high correlation with having some experience in something.

22:52

If you know which end of the knife cuts, you're going to be a better

22:54

butcher. That's

22:56

basically what the FAA decided was that's not true.

23:00

The FAA in their infinite wisdom used this test and

23:02

they decided that they could

23:04

take anyone and turn them into an air traffic

23:06

controller. It's equivalent to the Veterans Administration hiring people

23:09

off the street and teaching them how to be

23:11

doctors as they butcher people in

23:14

the hospitals, or having your taxes

23:16

overlooked and audited by someone who's not a

23:18

CP or has no financial acumen at all.

23:21

The government and at

23:23

least the FAA decided that

23:25

it was more important to put people

23:27

in based on select identity characteristics and

23:29

competency. Those questions, most

23:33

people see them and they laugh. They can't believe that

23:35

this was done. It was done. Michael,

23:37

United Airlines announced and they reiterated in

23:39

an Axios interview about a year and

23:41

a half ago that in their hiring

23:43

class, so as far as their trainees,

23:46

that they want 50%

23:49

to be female or black. Currently

23:52

less than 3% to 4% of all pilots

23:54

are black and I think maybe 8% to 10%

23:56

are female. So

23:59

let's just take a look. those, how could you

24:01

even find the people to

24:03

hit that target? It's

24:05

an insane goal. You

24:08

can't and along with the

24:10

FAA that ties into what we're

24:12

talking about. The Department

24:14

of Labor Statistics have statistics

24:16

in every occupation. It's really interesting when you dig into it.

24:19

I wish the FAA would have done it more. But

24:22

if you look at those statistics, what they have are

24:24

qualified individuals that can do jobs. They

24:26

might be too old. They might

24:28

have a disability. And it's based upon

24:31

race. For instance, air traffic controllers who

24:33

are qualified to be air traffic controllers

24:35

back when the FAA wiped out the

24:37

CTI list. I forget what it

24:39

was. I put it in the pleadings because

24:41

I took it off the government statistics. Somewhere

24:43

between 9 and 12 percent of the

24:45

black population can be air traffic controllers simply because

24:48

they might be too old. They

24:50

might have health issues. There might not be enough of them. Well,

24:54

it's the same and I haven't looked at

24:56

the exact statistic with pilots. There's a relevant

24:58

workforce population that can do the

25:00

job. The Department of Labor keeps track of

25:02

that simply because of the basic qualifications. When

25:04

United Airlines or any airlines artificially sets a

25:06

limit and says we're going to do 50%

25:08

of a flight class, it's already

25:10

difficult enough to get folks to have

25:13

a minimum of 1,500 hours to work

25:15

for. Yes. Which probably lie a lot

25:17

now. Well, it's more

25:19

than that. They go through a system where they have to

25:21

work very low wages for a lot of years to qualify

25:23

to get those 1,500 hours training people. A lot of people

25:25

can't afford to do it or they don't want to do

25:27

it. They lose interest. There's other

25:29

lucrative opportunities elsewhere. There's an

25:32

opportunity cost issue there. But at

25:34

the end of the day, this

25:37

social engineering is creating hazards to

25:39

the flying public. The

25:42

bad part about this is that the government

25:44

and these folks engaging us have immunity.

25:48

One of the things that needs to be changed, quite frankly, is

25:50

the Federal Tort Claims Act. There's some other

25:52

things that need to be modified because we

25:54

have too many bureaucrats specifically in the FAA

25:56

who are making life altering decisions. Unelected bureaucrats,

25:59

by the way. on elected

26:01

bureaucrats that are

26:03

making life-altering decisions

26:06

with no consequences to them. Now I will tell everybody the

26:08

same thing I told folks in Congress when we lobbied to

26:10

get these laws changed when the CTI went back. I talked

26:12

to many members of the House and Senate

26:15

and it became real to them because it's in their

26:17

backyard. They all fly back and forth. Yeah, seriously. You

26:20

know, so this is not an issue that you can

26:22

sweep under the rug because the reason the FAA was

26:24

created in 1958 by the way was because of a

26:27

collision, a couple of mid-air collisions. There were

26:29

a couple of high-profile individuals including congressmen on

26:31

board the airplane so that's when they really

26:33

started regulating the system itself. Well, unless

26:36

they grab a hold of this problem

26:38

and they eliminate DEI, wokeness, whatever term

26:40

you want to say, political correctness from

26:42

the hiring decisions, there's going to be

26:44

blood on people's hands. The problem of it is

26:46

when you're trying to isolate and hold them responsible,

26:48

they're going to have immunity and

26:51

there's no one to super-conformate. Two questions

26:53

in ten minutes. Number one,

26:56

some people still say the FAA is the greatest

26:58

in the world, greatest standards. Are

27:00

we at risk of losing that in

27:02

its current trajectory? Of course. Anytime you you

27:06

derogate or reduce merit for

27:09

other reasons in a safety-related occupation, you

27:11

can't be at the forefront. Anyone

27:15

else that is trying

27:17

to develop professionals that

27:19

are best in the system, they don't worry

27:21

about gender, race, ethnicity, they just

27:23

want the quality outcome. In the private sector,

27:25

by the way, the reason business works

27:28

is because it's competitive and you can't afford

27:31

to do that. Last question here, you said

27:33

that the question is that there's two men,

27:35

it's against white men. Where does that come

27:37

from? Is it that

27:40

explicit? No, it's not that

27:42

explicit but basically the way the

27:44

test was designed was to eliminate

27:46

or to give preference to African-American

27:48

applicants, the biographical assessment specifically, and

27:50

that can be shown statistically. The

27:53

National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation

27:55

Employees actually had the

27:58

test prior to at least

28:00

it's our allegations. The DOT Inspector General

28:02

investigated but they of course whitewashed it,

28:05

no pun intended. But

28:07

they actually had keywords and they had at

28:09

least a version of the test from what

28:11

their representative said at the time. There's a

28:14

tape recording of them out there saying that

28:17

to give preference to African American applicants. So

28:20

no, they didn't come out in the policy

28:22

and say there's too many white

28:24

folks applying and we want to wipe the list

28:26

out. But every bit of evidence and people you

28:28

talk to behind the scenes including some very straight

28:30

forward African American applicants have told

28:32

me. That was what they basically said. Michael,

28:35

thank you so much. You're welcome. Your

28:37

honor and pleasure. Pleasure. Thank you. Thank you so

28:39

much for listening everybody. Email us

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28:43

so much for listening. God bless. For

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