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Hello, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the casual criminalist.

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As always. Hello there. I'm your host. I'm one of my writers.

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This case, Matt. Thank you. Matthew has

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written me a script. James Huberty, the massacre

0:42

at McDonald's. Um, yeah, I've never

0:44

heard of this one, which is unusual. It sounds like

0:46

a massacre. That's the thing. You know,

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you know, God, I think maybe

0:50

even send me an email being like, brace yourself boss. This one's going

0:52

to be rough. And I know all I learned to

0:54

be quite honest. The episode that I recorded before this, always

0:58

one on Albert fish who ate children.

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So

1:02

yeah, I'm challenge accepted

1:04

to brace myself. What am I talking about? Let's just

1:06

go.

1:14

McDonald's hands down the biggest and most recognizable food chain in the

1:16

world. Hell in

1:19

all of modern history. Uh, excuse

1:21

me, KFC. Anybody? No, I know McDonald's is

1:23

more recognizable, but also KFC

1:25

is delicious.

1:27

I love your chicken. I love you. The golden arches have

1:30

been a sign of comfort and full bellies for close to a hundred

1:32

years. Anyone else have McDonald's? And

1:34

then it's like, yeah, I'm pretty full.

1:36

And then like two hours later, I'm hungry again. What's

1:38

up with McDonald's? It's like, I know there's a lot of calories

1:40

in there. It's like you eat the big

1:42

Mac, the large fries and, uh, normally a Coke zero.

1:45

People are always like, why do you have a Coke zero with a big

1:47

Mac? And it's like, well,

1:49

that's contradictory. And it's not why I don't need

1:51

the extra calories from the liquids. I'm getting

1:54

enough extra calories from the, the, the

1:56

fried food. Aren't I? It's like a thousand calories

1:58

plus at least. And

1:59

two hours later I'm like, yeah, I could have a snack. What's

2:02

up with that? KFC? I'll have it. Thousand calories

2:04

plus. And I'll be like, I'm full. I don't want dinner. I

2:06

got the feeling it's something to do with carbohydrates. From

2:08

the Big Mac to the McFlurry, it has something for

2:11

everyone. Although quality varies. It's

2:13

a place to relax, a place to bring your friends or your family,

2:15

a place to bring your kids so they'll shut up after them getting

2:17

a happy meal. Praetch, Matt! Praetch!

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Yeah, I definitely do that. Also, my

2:23

experience, I think I've told this story before, is that US

2:25

McDonald's versus European McDonald's. And

2:28

European... I feel there's a very

2:29

clear ranking of McDonald's,

2:32

at least if we compare the US, the

2:34

UK, and continental Europe.

2:38

US has the worst McDonald's in

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my limited experience. I've been to a few

2:42

of them. I went to one somewhere

2:45

in Los Angeles. I went to one in Seattle.

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The one in Seattle was a special experience.

2:50

It was horrible. And the

2:52

food was bad. There were homeless people. There was

2:54

a security guard. It was dirty.

2:56

All of the furniture was like this plastic shit

2:59

that we got rid of in Europe like 20 years

3:01

ago. And it was not a nice experience.

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UK McDonald's, slightly better.

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Like generally a slightly better experience.

3:08

European McDonald's is genuinely

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quite nice. Like people never believe

3:12

me with this, but I might travel to Europe, go

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to a McDonald's. Don't go in the UK. I mean, you can go

3:17

in the UK if you want, but it's similar to America. More

3:19

similar. But European McDonald's, there's

3:21

something called McAfee. It's like a coffee shop in McDonald's

3:23

which has nice coffee and cakes and

3:26

shit.

3:26

And like nice chairs. It's a different experience.

3:29

It's an American staple. And you'd never think of one

3:31

of the worst massacres in American history actually taking place

3:33

inside such a beloved eating establishment. Look,

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Matt, sorry to interrupt you

3:38

again, but massacres take place in

3:41

primary schools or elementary schools

3:43

as you, or was that was it all Valdee where

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all those children were killed? It's like,

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that's insane. I think we did a video

3:50

on this show about Columbia. Sorry,

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not Columbia. Columbine, which

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I got in trouble because I pronounced it. Columbine.

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Columbine. And I think they

4:02

basically are the same. Simon

4:04

doesn't know how to pronounce Columbine. It's like

4:06

Columbine, what are you talking about? And

4:09

that video was released. And I held it was like we made

4:11

it just as that was happening. And then I was like, what

4:13

am I supposed to do? Sit on this for ages? And

4:16

no, because I'm a hero, absolute mega

4:19

hero. We donated the money from it to

4:21

one of the victims families, something like that.

4:23

We found one on GoFundMe or something

4:26

like that. Barely remembering now.

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That's how much of an impact it made. I'm

4:30

just kidding. Obviously that stuff's

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disgusting. Simon, dearest audience,

4:35

it's time we journey once again into the past

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almost 40 years. The day was July the

4:40

8th, 1984 in San Ysidro

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in California. We see a family arriving home for

4:45

what appears to be a good day. The family consists

4:47

of 41 year old James Huberty, his wife,

4:49

Etna, their two daughters, Zelia and Cassandra,

4:52

and they have just spent their morning at the San Diego Zoo

4:54

along with getting lunch at a nearby McDonald's in the neighborhood

4:57

of Claremont. Sounds like a fun time. Animals

4:59

and a happy meal. A good day all round. Oh, I

5:01

don't like this because it's like the sort of

5:03

shit I do with my, I went to the zoo with my kids

5:05

last weekend and then we did go for fast food.

5:07

Ah, I don't like it. Except,

5:10

oh no, wait, James is the bad guy?

5:12

James had darker plans in mind for the rest of his day?

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Oh

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no, I just put myself in James'

5:18

shoes. No! You see, several days before,

5:20

on July the 15th, James had made the comment to Etna

5:22

that he thought he might have something wrong with him, that

5:24

he might have some mental problems. Better than on July

5:26

the 17th, the day before everything we're about to talk

5:28

about transpired, James made a call to the

5:31

San Ysidro Health Center's Mental Health Unit.

5:33

He spoke with the receptionist and said he thought he needed help

5:36

and that he'd like an appointment as soon as possible.

5:38

The receptionist assured him that the clinic would return his

5:40

call that same day in order to set everything

5:42

up for him and that they would take care of him. Really?

5:44

It's quite impressive.

5:45

I feel like you'd phone someone like this and they'd be like,

5:47

yeah, next appointment's in, uh, six months.

5:50

Seems like a good start, right? James believed something

5:52

was wrong with his brain, so he reached out for help.

5:54

That is remarkably, um, what's

5:58

the word? Like when you realize something?

5:59

takes a lot for someone to seek help, especially men.

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But

6:18

you see, this help should have come a long time ago

6:20

as the darkness had been building up within James Huberty

6:22

for practically his entire life. Emotionally

6:24

stunted and terminally paranoid, he believed that the

6:27

entire world was out to get him, and that everything

6:29

bad that had happened in his life was the fault of the world,

6:31

with no thought that he could have been the cause.

6:34

Now James waited and waited hours on end

6:36

for the phone to ring, hoping that somebody would be able to

6:38

help him through his dark time, that they would

6:40

stop him from taking matters

6:41

into his own hands and doing something awful.

6:44

Unfortunately, that call never came, and

6:46

all because of the way the receptionist handled the call. First

6:49

off, not only had she misspelled his name, Huberty

6:51

instead of Huberty, but had also spoken with a

6:53

pleasant nonchalant tone, not the usual frantic,

6:56

urgent tone she was probably used to. Because

6:58

of all this, and the fact that not only had he refused to state

7:00

the nature of his problem, but also informed her

7:02

that he had never been hospitalized for mental health issues before

7:04

and was not on medication or a treatment plan, she

7:06

put him down as a low-risk case, which

7:09

would result in a call back within 48 hours,

7:11

not the

7:11

same day as she stated. Yeah, I don't like

7:14

that. I know it's necessary, but when you phone

7:16

the doctor and it's like, oh yeah, I want to, you know,

7:19

just get something checked out. It's

7:21

not an embarrassing thing. Okay, I'll be

7:23

bold about this. Well, I was like checking myself

7:25

out in the shower about a year ago, like you did, and I'm

7:27

like, oh, you know, like men do down

7:29

below. And I'm like, well, that feels a bit different.

7:32

So I was like, okay, go see the doctor,

7:34

just make sure everything's okay. Everything was fine.

7:36

He's just like, there's nothing. You don't have to worry about

7:39

it. And by phone off, and I'm like, yeah,

7:41

like at the point with the doctor, they're like, was

7:43

it more? I'm just like, I just want to see the doctor,

7:46

okay? I want to talk to the doctor.

7:48

I don't want to have the receptionist write it down in some

7:50

book. But I know it's stupid because

7:52

it's just, I mean, they must deal with this shit all day

7:55

every day. But I'm just, I just want to tell the doctor

7:57

in a private room in person. I don't want to turn it over

7:59

the phone or anything.

7:59

He felt a receptionist.

8:02

Oh god. Unfortunately,

8:05

this seemed to be the final straw for James Huberty.

8:07

After hours of waiting for a call, only to be met with silence,

8:09

he left the house in a huff, jumped onto his motorcycle,

8:11

and sped off. Where he went is unknown, but he

8:13

returned later that night in what appeared to be a better mood.

8:17

Everything seemed okay. Until the next day, that is.

8:19

While spending time with their children at the zoo, James spoke

8:21

with Etna, and he revealed to her that he believed his

8:23

life was over. Oh my god. A

8:25

bit dramatic if you ask me, but given what we'll soon discover

8:28

about the man, it's par for the course. When the talk

8:30

turned specifically to how he never received a call back

8:32

when he actually reached out for help, James held nothing

8:34

back, giving Etna a glimpse of

8:36

the darkness to come. Well, society

8:40

had their chance. After returning home,

8:42

Etna was laying on her bed, relaxing after

8:44

the fun morning, when James entered the room wearing

8:46

a maroon t-shirt and camouflage slacks. Walking

8:49

up to her, he bent down and said, I want

8:51

to kiss you goodbye. To Etna, this was very

8:53

odd. James was never an affectionate man, so this was

8:55

going against character. She kissed him regardless,

8:57

and when he turned to leave, she asked him where he was going,

9:00

as she had plans to prepare a nice dinner for the whole family.

9:02

It's now that, as the darkness consumes us

9:04

once again, we dive into the tale of a man consumed

9:07

by his own hatred, paranoia, and

9:10

desire for revenge. Revenge against a world that had

9:12

not done anything overtly wrong to him. A

9:14

world that didn't even know he existed, though perhaps

9:17

that was the problem in his mind. He

9:19

wanted the world to know

9:20

who he was, know his anger, know his pain.

9:23

Pain he believed that the world had created when in reality

9:25

it was his own doing. As James Hubert turned to

9:27

his wife for the final time, we hear his answer.

9:30

An answer filled with underlying rage

9:32

masked by cold indifference. The words

9:35

of the monster. I'm going hunting.

9:38

Hunting for humans. This ties

9:40

in, right? The fact that he's never accepting that

9:42

anything bad in his life is

9:45

caused by him, and then he's, I

9:47

feel that's very tied into the fact that he's like,

9:49

yeah, I'm going to seek help,

9:50

and then the

9:51

help doesn't get back to him.

9:53

And it does seem unusual that you

9:55

think you can just phone up and just get an appointment like

9:58

that for like, something, right?

9:59

He's usually having to wait or reach out

10:02

to someone else and stuff like that. And

10:04

I feel like he's just making an excuse

10:06

for himself. Life

10:09

of a Loner

10:12

James Oliver Huberty was born on October 11,

10:14

1942 in Canton, Ohio. The

10:17

second child to parents Earl and I

10:20

call Ickle Huberty? Two devoutly

10:22

religious Methodists. And because of that, then, their kids

10:24

were regular worshipers at the United Methodist Church.

10:27

But religion had a huge impact on James'

10:29

life and his outlook on things for both better

10:31

and for worse. It didn't take long for life to kick

10:34

James in the nuts, as by the time he was three years old

10:36

James had contracted polio. Wait, when the f*** is

10:38

this happening? I forgot when this is set.

10:42

40 years old. No, sorry, 41

10:44

years old in 1984. Okay, so yeah,

10:47

was there polio around in the early 1940s?

10:50

Hadn't Salked with polio? Hadn't

10:52

he done his thing by then? For all ten of you who don't know what

10:54

polio is, simply put, it's an infectious

10:56

and debilitating disease that can cause severe paralysis,

10:59

as well as meningitis in those infected. You can

11:01

only imagine how painful and horrifying such a condition

11:03

must have been for a young child, especially when it

11:05

started attacking his nervous system. Yeah, polio

11:07

is like… FDR

11:10

was in a wheelchair because of polio. Also

11:13

they have iron lungs. People I think… I

11:16

saw a video on YouTube about this. It's one of those videos

11:18

that's been on YouTube that's probably uploaded like 15

11:20

years ago and everyone's seen it. About the people who

11:22

live in iron lungs because they were paralyzed

11:24

from polio so they can't breathe and they've just lived their whole lives

11:26

in these giant metal breathing machines, which

11:29

is intense. That's what polio

11:31

is. Get your kids vaccinated. Is

11:34

polio a vaccine thing or have we eradicated

11:36

that?

11:36

I think there is a polio vaccine, but they don't give it to

11:39

countries where there's not much polio,

11:41

right? Because of vaccines getting

11:43

rid of it, remember?

11:45

Get your kids vaccinated. Don't be an idiot.

11:47

And people are like, Simon, it's my choice. Yeah, okay,

11:49

cool. Cool. It's my choice to think you're

11:52

an idiot. To help manage the disease, James was required

11:54

to wear steel and leather braces upon both legs.

11:57

Is that what happened to Forrest Gump? Did Forrest Gump have polio? Why

11:59

was he wearing this? those braces on his legs. Even though

12:01

he was able to recover from all of the symptoms, he would have a mild

12:03

limp for the rest of his life, a constant reminder of

12:06

the pain and humiliation he felt as a child.

12:08

If that wasn't bad enough, his home life was about to change for

12:10

the worst. In 1950, Earl Huberty

12:12

purchased and moved the family to a 155 acre farm in Mount Eaton, Ohio.

12:17

Seems like a pleasant little town, very sleepy and unassuming,

12:19

especially if you're a fan of Amish folk. A

12:22

huge fan of the Amish. They're such a laugh.

12:24

Igl, on the other hand, was incensed about the whole

12:26

thing. He didn't want to live in a rural area and refused

12:29

to even look at the property

12:29

before the purchase, leaving the relationship with her

12:32

husband very much on the rocks.

12:43

It

12:53

all came to a head when the super religious Igl,

12:55

I don't know if his name is Igl, or it's spelled

12:58

I-C-L-E, it's a name I've never seen

13:00

before. He felt called to become

13:02

a Pentecostal missionary. Feeling

13:05

this excuse with her ticket out, she abandoned her husband

13:07

and children when James was only seven years old, moving

13:09

to Arizona to preach the good word on the sidewalks.

13:11

This betrayal left deep emotional and mental scars

13:13

on James, with his father telling of how

13:15

he'd hear him sobbing by

13:18

the chicken coop on their property and others having

13:20

testified that he blamed God for taking his

13:22

mother away. No, your mother took herself away,

13:24

and that is a really shitty thing to do. I

13:26

don't understand. Like, I'd always want to take

13:29

my kids if I was running away and be like, I'm with me.

13:33

Let's go.

13:35

Not that I ever would, but

13:36

like, if I was in that situation, you'd be like, I don't

13:39

know. I don't know. It's just so

13:41

bizarre. Like, I've put so much effort

13:43

into my children. At the very least, it's like, oh my

13:45

God, with the sunk costs of these kids. It's

13:47

like, no, yes. And also, you

13:49

know, also because I love them, but that's a second

13:52

fact of those bloody sunk costs. As

13:54

James grew up and made his way through school, he'd kept

13:56

himself almost constantly wanting nothing more

13:58

than to be left alone.

13:59

reasons for this seems to be because of the constant

14:02

whispering and ostracizing of the other children. I

14:04

think we can all agree that kids can be dicks sometimes,

14:07

especially to those different from and this case was no

14:09

different. James came from a broken home, and

14:11

this concept was very alien to the children around

14:13

him who grew up within the Amish and Mennonite

14:16

communities. James came from a bad

14:18

home, so they whispered about him refusing to socialize

14:20

with him, though to James this was perfectly fine. James

14:23

was content, being by himself, being a loner

14:25

for most of his life and having no interest in the same

14:27

things that the other kids had interest in.

14:29

This didn't stop him from becoming angry, though. A side

14:31

effect of the constant pain and irritation

14:34

from his vow to polio, James had a very short temper

14:36

and he would quickly become enraged if someone were to slight

14:39

him in any way. It could be the smallest

14:41

thing. It could even be something that wasn't meant to harm him,

14:43

but James would always take things personally

14:45

and would become furious at the drop of a hat. His

14:47

environment didn't help either, as the kids angered

14:49

him on a daily basis and there's even reports of a teacher

14:52

who, after getting into a confrontation with James

14:54

while he was staying inside for recess, sneered

14:56

at him and said, if you were a real man

14:58

like all the other boys, you'd

14:59

be out playing football. What a wonderful and uplifting

15:02

teacher she was. Obvious, sarcasm

15:04

is obvious. Children are so impressionable.

15:07

I think back on experiences I had with

15:09

teachers, and the vast majority was

15:11

super positive. Generally I think back

15:14

on school, and the vast majority of interactions

15:16

I had with teachers were always really good, but

15:18

then I do think back on the few times when

15:20

they weren't, and they really stick with you. And

15:23

it's really weird. Because nowadays,

15:25

if someone says something to me, I'm just like, whatever, I'm

15:27

a big boy. I can

15:29

take it. But when you're a kid, you're much

15:32

more impressionable and sensitive, especially when

15:34

it's an adult, who's someone who's in a position of

15:36

authority, and I'm always like, teachers should know better. You

15:38

should know that children are super impressionable, and

15:42

think about what you say to kids. James

15:46

hated everyone around him. He hated speaking to

15:48

anyone. He thought that everyone was always plotting

15:50

against him, and his attitude only festered as

15:52

he grew and got older.

15:59

Like, you don't really expect the… I mean, when

16:02

you're a kid, who knows? You grew up and you could be

16:04

a completely different person. Not the same

16:06

person I was when I was a kid. And…

16:09

but in my mind, I'm kind of like, yeah, James is a

16:11

weirdo, don't grow up to be a weirdo, but obviously James got

16:13

his shit together at some point, except apparently he didn't.

16:16

One thing that James seemed to have a affinity for ever since his high

16:18

school years was, of course, guns.

16:21

He loved going to target practice, usually being found

16:23

at the shooting range, letting out his anger and frustration

16:25

with each pull of the trigger. I also really enjoyed

16:27

this. We had a shooting range at school,

16:30

and I'd go there at least one or two hours. Like

16:32

not like an American shooting range, where you're like shooting

16:35

images of people with big guns. It was

16:37

like a rifle range, so you'd go there and you'd shoot little tutu

16:39

rifles

16:39

as part of the cadet stuff. And I loved

16:41

that. And I had a little air rifle at home that I would

16:44

be out in the garden like shooting stuff and

16:46

getting really good at shooting stuff. And

16:49

just because you do it at like hours and hours, it's

16:51

really enjoyable. I like shooting guns. But…

16:56

Oh my god. Am I James in this story? No,

16:59

obviously not. Because I'm not going out hunting for humans,

17:01

because that's insane. Like in guns, is

17:03

like in guns. But I don't know. I

17:05

like guns. And like clay pigeon shooting and stuff. It's

17:08

a laugh. I'm as concerned about Simon as you are. Hell, at

17:10

one point a family friend described James as a

17:12

queer little boy who practiced incessantly with a target

17:14

pistol. And by the time he was in high school, he was seen

17:16

as an amateur gunsmith, being able to clean

17:18

and repair his own guns with ease. No, not

17:20

a red flag at all. I mean, it's

17:23

steady. I mean, look. Just because you

17:25

like guns. It's a hobby. It's

17:27

a hobby.

17:28

Right? I haven't

17:30

shot a gun in a long time. I've thought about

17:32

getting my gun license here. But, you

17:34

know, I don't have time for hobbies. In 1960,

17:37

James graduated from Wayne Dale High

17:39

School, 51st out of the 77th student

17:41

class. Fun fact, James hated being around

17:43

people so much that he didn't even shop for his high school

17:45

graduation photo, his spot simply remaining

17:48

blank within the yearbook. Enrolling at Malone

17:50

University at Jesuit Community College two years

17:52

later in 1962, he graduated with a bachelor's

17:54

degree in sociology. Ironic, isn't

17:56

it? Sociology is literally defined

17:58

as the social science of society.

17:59

reality, human social behavior, patterns of social

18:02

relationships, social interactions, and aspects

18:04

of culture associated with everyday life. It's

18:07

all the stuff he doesn't like and is rubbish at.

18:09

It would like me studying veterinary science.

18:12

In other words, I like animals.

18:14

There's an ongoing meme. On

18:17

one of my other channels, I said that I'd

18:19

committed dog genocide before I murdered a single

18:21

human being. Just as a joke.

18:24

And great jokes, Simon, by the way. Brilliant

18:26

sense of humor right there. And people were up

18:28

in arms about this, saying that

18:29

dogs are more valuable than humans, which I staunchly

18:32

disagree with. And so from then on,

18:34

there seems to be this meme that I hate animals. And

18:37

I don't. I don't hate animals at all. But

18:39

that's why I made the joke about me becoming a vet, because

18:42

people think I hate animals. I don't

18:43

know, I quite like animals. I'd like

18:46

to get a cat, to be honest. I like cats. I

18:48

had cats when I was a

18:49

kid. Nice little animals. Could this have been his

18:51

first real cry for help? Perhaps he thought

18:53

that if he studied the things that he both hated

18:56

and couldn't understand, he'd be able to put them into practice,

18:58

that his life might be different. But even with

19:00

his fancy degree, it couldn't change what in the end

19:02

he didn't see as a problem. The problem wasn't himself,

19:05

but the world and the people around him, and he couldn't

19:07

face the reality of him being

19:09

in the wrong. While attending Malone University,

19:11

James met Ettna Markland. It's unclear what

19:13

made her different from all the other people around him, but whatever

19:16

it was, James took a fancy to her and they began dating.

19:18

Soon after graduating,

19:19

the two married in 1965 and

19:21

began living together in James' father's house. James

19:24

despised school with a passion and finally

19:26

being free of it was a great relief, but

19:28

like most people, James had goals and to fulfill

19:30

those goals, he had to return to school.

19:33

He wanted to be a funeral director and an embalmer. He

19:36

loves guns. He wants to be a funeral

19:38

director. I'm sure there are people who want to be

19:40

funeral directors and embalmers who are completely normal

19:42

people. And I'm sure the vast majority

19:45

are, but it does seem a bit weird in the context of this episode,

19:47

doesn't it? So he enrolled in the Pittsburgh Institute

19:49

of Mortuary Science. James begrudgingly

19:51

went through with his studies and soon graduated from

19:53

the Institute with honors, being issued with a funeral director's

19:56

license, and the following year, an embalmer's

19:58

license, but it wasn't so that he was a funeral director. He could have his way

20:00

with the corpses. From all the information I could find,

20:02

James Hoberty never had any sexual proclivity

20:05

towards the dead, nor were there any corpses

20:07

found that were, let's say, mishandled.

20:10

No, James seemed to drift towards the profession

20:12

for the simple reason that he believed it was the one job

20:14

where he could be left alone. Oh

20:18

gosh. I also like, I just work

20:20

alone. Like, I just sit in my office by myself

20:22

and record videos and I love it. Like,

20:24

I don't like having meetings. I don't like having to,

20:27

I just do everything by email. Because

20:29

I don't like,

20:29

I just like being left alone. And

20:32

it's not because I don't like people. I like people.

20:35

I just like, it's a distraction. Like,

20:37

I've got a lot of work to do. And if I have to talk

20:39

to people at work, it's like, well, I'm

20:41

getting less work done, aren't I? And

20:43

despite that, somehow I've finished, I've got six meetings on

20:45

the calendar today and I'm not sure quite how I managed

20:48

that. So I'm not going to get much done today.

20:50

I'm squeezing this in in an hour between these phone

20:52

calls. Half an hour left, by

20:54

the way, so let's crack on. There's

20:57

definitely going to be a break in this episode that will

20:59

be imperceptible to you. Well,

21:01

I will leave, go do a call for I think half an hour and

21:03

then I'll come back. Upon graduating,

21:05

he apprenticed at the Don Williams funeral home

21:07

as an undertaker for two years, though he would

21:09

almost constantly be reprimanded by his co-workers

21:11

and superiors for his behavior and lack of proper

21:13

effort on the job. So what does

21:15

that mean? You might ask. Well, James

21:17

constantly tried to stay in the back in the embalming

21:20

room, preferring to be by himself with the eternally

21:22

silent corpses that being upfront and dealing with the

21:24

grieving families as a good funeral director should.

21:26

Why didn't he just become an embalmer?

21:28

Like funeral director?

21:30

It's always like that person has to be like super considerate.

21:33

They're always like, hello. Yes. How

21:35

are you? Yes. Yes. And

21:38

it's the person at the funeral. You're like, you don't know. You're

21:40

like, Oh, okay. Okay. And I'm into

21:42

a few funerals and you're like, ah, this dude. Okay. And

21:44

it's like quite similar and like courteous

21:47

and thoughtful and soft spoken. And

21:49

it sounds like James would be pretty at this, but

21:51

being an embalmer, just go do that.

21:54

Do we bomb bodies in the UK? I

21:56

don't think so because we don't have these open

21:58

casket funerals, which I was full

21:59

And when he was forced to be up front with the customers,

22:02

he was short, blunt, and as

22:13

antisocial

22:23

as ever. At times when the families, during the process

22:25

of mourning the loss of their loved ones, would take longer than

22:27

James would like, he'd be witness pacing back

22:29

and forth on the showing room floor, muttering,

22:32

Get out, under his breath over and over again.

22:34

And if and when that failed to drive them off, this piece

22:36

of work went so far as to turning

22:39

the lights off on the families. Oh my god,

22:41

this guy would have terrible Google reviews. Don

22:43

Williams, the owner of the funeral home, recounted

22:46

his experience with Huberty, saying, He was

22:48

a good embalmer, but he just didn't relate to people.

22:50

That's why he was better as a welder. He could just put

22:52

that mask down and be by

22:54

himself. Wait, he became a welder? Okay.

22:58

Indeed, after it became clear that James wasn't cut out for work

23:00

in the funeral home, he needed to be alone, and his hatred

23:02

for people getting in his own way again, he left his job

23:04

and soon began a new career as a welder, first

23:06

at a firm in Louisville before becoming an apprentice

23:09

at the Babcock & Wilcox utility plant in 1969. Surely

23:12

there are plenty of jobs where

23:14

you can just be left alone. I always think like data

23:16

entry and stuff, aren't you just like

23:18

in a cubicle most of the time or like just a

23:20

work from home job?

23:22

I've literally like since

23:25

I was a kid, I don't think I've

23:27

ever really had a job where I've had to work with people.

23:30

It's always just being left alone. Well,

23:32

apparently, shockingly, he was reported as being

23:34

good at it, with many of his coworkers saying that he was a very

23:36

reliable worker despite being a silent recluse.

23:39

Yeah, that's fine. He could be really good at

23:41

welding. He's just shit with people. He was a good embalmer.

23:43

He just wants to be left alone. Hell, he was so good

23:45

at his job that he earned promotion

23:48

after promotion, earning between $25,000 and $30,000 per year. 138 to 166

23:51

grand. Adjusted

23:55

for 2023 inflation. And that was in the mid 1970s.

23:57

Oh my God. Okay. Not

24:00

too shabby, especially back in the day. James

24:02

Nettner had it so good that the two of them moved- is it

24:04

a welder? Welders make so much

24:06

money? How long does it take to learn to become

24:08

a welder? I guess this is one of those things where I'm like,

24:11

I think it's low skill, or not low skill, but

24:13

like medium level skill. It's not like you're a doctor

24:15

or something. And you're making

24:17

a lot of money. I don't know, doctors in the US

24:19

probably make more than that. But

24:21

I feel that's probably what a doctor makes in the UK,

24:23

isn't it? I don't know.

24:26

Especially with the crappy exchange rates. They

24:28

moved into a three story home in the very wealthy neighborhood

24:30

of Masillon, Ohio. This didn't last long,

24:33

as sadly the home was destroyed and on fire in 1971, though they

24:35

still had enough money to move into a new house on the exact

24:38

same street and build a six unit apartment

24:40

on the site of their old house, renting it out to others

24:42

for money. Seems like James really knows what he's doing.

24:45

Soon enough, they welcomed their two daughters into the world, Zelia

24:47

in 1972 and Cassandra in 1974. The

24:51

shadow in the crowd.

24:55

But Matt? I hear you saying, sure.

24:57

This man seems to be socially awkward and yes, he has

25:00

a pretty piss poor attitude, but he seems

25:02

like he's doing fairly well and as a family, despite it

25:04

all, what's the problem? I mean, does he have

25:06

a piss poor attitude? He just

25:08

doesn't like people. He seems to be a very

25:10

good welder and he keeps getting promoted, so obviously he's

25:12

got a great attitude towards welding. He just

25:14

wants to be left alone. If I had someone like this

25:16

working for me, who's talented, but

25:19

just wants to be left alone, I'd be like, great, go do your

25:21

thing,

25:22

I'll leave you alone and here's some

25:24

money. Right? As

25:26

a manager, it's your job to identify

25:28

those people, like as the

25:30

manager of this welding company or whatever, and

25:32

be like, cool, we'll just get James to

25:35

go and weld all day. He'll be extremely

25:37

productive. Indeed, on the outside, James

25:39

seemed to have been a success. He had a wife and

25:41

daughters, he had a house, he was making a good bit of money,

25:43

but when we take a peek behind the curtain, the picture

25:45

starts to become clear. His life was like

25:48

a rollercoaster. He was on his way to the top, but soon

25:50

enough he'd have to plummet down and in this case,

25:52

he did it all to himself. Even closed

25:54

doors, things weren't so hunky dory. On more than one

25:56

occasion, James would viciously beat Etna.

25:59

Oh my god.

25:59

to the point where she actually contacted

26:02

the Canon Department of Children and Family Services

26:13

reporting that James had messed up her jaw. But

26:15

sadly, like a good number of domestic abuse

26:17

cases, not only did she not leave him, but

26:19

she would backtrack almost as soon as she made

26:21

said claims, making the excuse that in those fights,

26:23

she'd only hit her once, like that actually made

26:26

it better. I

26:29

mean,

26:29

getting hit once is obviously

26:33

better than getting hit 100 times.

26:36

Does it make it okay?

26:37

No. And yet, Ettner would later say, I

26:40

always figured there was a strong chance that he'd kill

26:42

me one day.

26:43

Good lord! So yeah,

26:45

the antagonist of our piece today is a wife-beating douchebag,

26:48

so far so normal for the casual criminalist,

26:50

so that's not surprising. He didn't just

26:53

stick it to his wife, though, oh no, because his

26:55

little girls were beaten just as horribly.

26:57

Flaps and flat-out punches were

26:59

a regular occurrence, for Zelia and Cassandra,

27:02

with their father refusing to hold back in his punishments.

27:05

How could it get worse? Well, how about putting a

27:07

knife to their throats on more

27:09

than one occasion? That's right, James

27:11

Hubertty threatened his little girls with

27:13

death several times when they were younger,

27:16

and it wasn't just knives, either, he'd

27:18

pull his guns, too. I could

27:20

never possibly even comprehend

27:23

doing something like that. That is insane. They

27:26

are children. They are your children.

27:28

Not that I'd do this to other people's children, either, but

27:30

it's just like, they're your children! According

27:32

to Etna, there was a time when James was particularly cross

27:35

with their daughter Zelia, so he acted in kind. She

27:37

recalled one day when Zelia, after making James

27:39

angry, went flying into her bedroom with

27:42

an oozy pointed at her.

27:44

We don't blame the victims on this channel, far from it,

27:46

but at this point, this is when you leave and take

27:48

the kids with you, something that Etna did

27:50

not do. No, we don't. And obviously,

27:52

if

27:53

she

27:55

was acting in a rational way and

27:58

wasn't in this situation, she'd be like, yeah, obviously.

27:59

she should leave. But that's not

28:02

how it works. I mean, it's how it should work, and

28:04

if you're in that situation,

28:05

just get it, get out. Like,

28:08

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Simon, it's so simple, but it's not.

28:43

It's complicated. And what's

28:45

that condition called? Like the beaten wife syndrome?

28:47

Or whatever? Is that it where you're afraid to

28:50

leave, even though you're afraid to stay? There's

28:52

a name for that, right?

28:53

Their neighbors weren't safe from his erratic and

28:55

hateful behavior either. To them, he was an

28:58

irritable, irrational, and downright

29:00

paranoid person, with no trespassing signs

29:03

posted all around the house. His love of firearms

29:05

was well known to all of them, and on more

29:07

than one occasion, they were scared out of their wits

29:09

by the sound of gunfire from the house.

29:11

James' excuse? He'd built a homemade gun range

29:14

in the basement of his house. However,

29:17

perhaps the creepiest thing about James in regard

29:19

to the people living around him was that James

29:21

had a mental list. On said list was

29:23

every single infraction setback, insult, frustration,

29:26

and slight that he perceived was perpetrated

29:28

against either him or his family. And some

29:31

of them were admittedly real, but nowhere

29:33

close to the degree that James felt

29:35

they were. And a number of them were total figments

29:37

of his imagination, occurrences that were never

29:39

intended to be malicious, but James took

29:41

them as such, and so they were added to the list.

29:44

To James, the only way to rectify these attacks

29:47

to himself and his family was to get

29:49

even. Every injustice was met with payback,

29:51

just as bad if not worse, and more often

29:53

than not, this led to James being charged and detained

29:55

for disorderly conduct, though they never stuck.

29:58

This included an incident where James went onto

30:01

his porch with one of his rifles, aimed at the neighbors

30:03

as they passed, only to laugh and go back inside

30:05

without a care in the world. Did they see him? Isn't

30:08

that assault? Like if someone's pointing a gun at you, I'm

30:10

fairly sure that's a crime.

30:11

Like…

30:13

right? James also passed on this belief

30:16

to his daughters, telling them to physically assault any

30:18

of the kids in the neighborhood if they ever angered

30:20

them. Aetna was no better, as it's documented

30:22

that she once told her daughter Zelia to punch a girl

30:24

at a birthday party after they'd had a disagreement.

30:27

When the girl's mother confronted Aetna about it, Aetna

30:29

threatened to shoot the mother with one of their 9mm

30:32

pistols, which Aetna was charged and jailed

30:34

for it, although the gun wasn't confiscated. What,

30:37

America? Look, if you're… if you're…

30:39

jailed for a gun crime, no

30:42

more guns.

30:43

Okay? That makes sense, right?

30:45

Like, you committed the crime with guns. Your

30:48

right to guns is now taken away. Right?

30:51

Like, isn't there the thing in the Constitution about that

30:53

right to bear arms?

30:54

But it's like, yo, you've also got right to freedom unless you're

30:56

in prison. Or whatever, you know? This sort of

30:58

thing. They can take that away? Surely. Come

31:01

on, take the guns away. You've committed gun crimes.

31:04

Animals weren't safe either, not even his own. One incident

31:06

involved James threatening to kill one of his neighbors'

31:08

dogs after it popped into his yard. I understand

31:10

not liking animal feces on the lawn, but that's

31:13

an overreaction, no matter the incident, especially

31:15

if the neighbor picked it up. Oh yeah, my parents used

31:17

to be driven posse. The neighbors had a

31:19

cat and it would always come and take a sh** in the garden.

31:21

In our garden. My parents

31:23

were never pleased about

31:24

that. My dad was like, shoot the bloody

31:27

cat! Another example was

31:29

when one of his neighbors complained about James' German

31:31

Shepherd's as the animal had scratched up the neighbor's

31:33

car and he wasn't pleased. So what did

31:35

James do? Well, after fixing the man with a cold

31:38

death glare, he said he'd take care of it. Grabbing

31:40

the dog and pulling it to the backyard, he pulled

31:42

out a pistol and murdered his own dog

31:45

by shooting it in the head for the neighbor

31:47

to see. Oh my f***ing

31:49

god. The neighbor, of course, was horrified

31:51

when he angrily confronted James, telling him it had

31:54

gone way too far. James simply

31:56

stared back at him with that same hateful look, coldly

31:58

stating, I believe

31:59

Not only was James an extremely paranoid

32:02

man, but he was also

32:04

a massive conspiracy theorist

32:11

and

32:22

survival nut. The Cold War was in full

32:24

swing at this point, and he believed it was close to escalating,

32:27

which would be full-blown nuclear

32:29

war. On top of that, his paranoia drove him to believe

32:31

that foreign bankers had infiltrated manipulating

32:33

the Federal Reserve System, intentionally bankrupting

32:36

the nation, which would lead to a full societal and financial

32:38

collapse.

32:47

As

32:56

we know, this never happened, but that never stops the

32:58

nut jobs, does it? Prepare for this. Not only

33:00

did James buy tons and tons of non-perishable

33:03

food, but he also stocked up on a multitude

33:05

of guns. Just what you need in the

33:07

coming apocalypse. Gun guns, guns guns,

33:09

and even more guns, especially with a man that's

33:11

clearly a bit rattled upstairs. To

33:14

be fair, though, if the apocalypse was coming, I'd be like,

33:16

yeah, I want some guns. Shit's gonna get

33:17

real. Every single room in

33:19

the house had at least one gun, all within reach

33:22

of James at all times and each one with

33:24

the safety disabled. Such a big brain move,

33:26

especially with children in the house. Again, obvious

33:28

sarcasm is obvious. Yeah, reminds me of

33:31

that Stargate SG-1,

33:33

where Jack O'Neill's kid accidentally kills

33:35

himself

33:36

with one of his guns. And it's like, Jesus

33:38

Christ. I'm always like, I

33:42

don't think I'd keep guns in the house. Like,

33:44

I'd keep the guns at the range, or whatever.

33:46

Because even if they're locked up and stuff, kids are

33:49

resourceful, they get into places. It

33:51

also reminds me of the TV show Boston

33:53

Legal with Denny Crane. He's also obsessed

33:55

with guns. And he's like, how many guns

33:57

are in there, Denny? There are guns everywhere.

33:59

All of this unstable

34:02

thinking only got worse when he lost his job. In

34:04

November 1982, James was laid off from his

34:06

welding job at Babbcock and Wilcox due to

34:08

the impending closure of this engineering firm.

34:11

This caused James his understandable mental

34:13

stress from the belief that he wouldn't be able to provide

34:15

from his family, which was the last thing he needed. It

34:17

was so bad that when he was speaking with a coworker,

34:20

he said he intended to kill himself as well as

34:22

his family. It didn't help that soon after,

34:24

James claimed to have started hearing voices which

34:26

only worsened his paranoia, depression,

34:29

and conspiracy theories.

34:29

He thought that President Jimmy Carter and later

34:32

Ronald Reagan and the United States government were conspiring

34:34

against him. It had these thoughts for years

34:37

and they wanted to destroy his life and cause him to become

34:39

a failure and this setback only furthered

34:41

that idea. If you think someone that powerful, unless you're mega

34:43

powerful yourself,

34:44

if you're like the president of another country and you're

34:47

like, man, I think Ronald Reagan is out to

34:49

get me.

34:50

That's like, okay, yeah, maybe. But

34:52

if you're just a welder in Ohio, he's

34:55

not.

34:55

He's not. He doesn't know you. He's

34:57

never thought about you.

34:59

No one like 10 layers of power

35:01

down from him cares about you. You're

35:03

just a cog in a giant machine. They don't

35:05

care. In early 1983, James

35:08

attempted to pop off permanently by putting one of

35:10

his pistols to his temple. Then he managed to calm

35:12

him down, stopping him from going through with it. Afterwards,

35:14

however, James told her that, you should have let me

35:16

shoot myself and no one wants to come. She

35:19

really should have. He should have had him committed,

35:21

call the police and get him put in a

35:24

mental place where they can give him the right pills.

35:26

And if there are no right pills, just keep him there

35:28

forever so he doesn't hurt himself and other

35:30

people. The family ended up selling their six unit apartment

35:33

for $115,000 in the spring of 1983 and

35:36

James eventually found employment. Yeah, I mean,

35:38

that's

35:39

gotta be like a million dollars.

35:42

No, not a million. But like 500,000, half a mil, at least.

35:47

That's a lot of cash. You're gonna be fine.

35:49

But it didn't last long as the company went under five

35:51

weeks later. Talk about rotten luck.

35:59

Tremmer in his head and arms. Soon after, in

36:02

the summer of 1983, the Hubertys applied for

36:04

residence in Mexico. They believed that the money

36:06

they got from the sale of the apartments, along with $12,000 that

36:09

they got after they sold their home, would last longer

36:11

in Mexico while James looked for work. What,

36:14

in Mexico?

36:15

It's a bold move. James stated to

36:17

his neighbors after the sale of his house, we're going to show

36:19

them who's boss. Who?

36:22

He still believed that in the delusion that the US

36:24

government was out to get him, so in his mind, this

36:26

was the only way of escape. Wait, he's

36:29

not moving to Mexico because he's like, my money will go

36:31

further. He's moving to Mexico, he's like, the government's

36:34

are out to get me. Holy s***

36:36

dude. Someone needs,

36:38

he needs to have some like treatments.

36:41

Like these are all very, very big red flags,

36:43

way more than like, oh, he's like

36:45

guns. In October, 1983, the

36:47

family moved down to Tijuana, Mexico, been

36:49

to Tijuana, Mexico. I

36:53

think because I was traveling around the States

36:55

with a mate of mine, like this is 15 years

36:57

ago now,

36:58

and we were in San Diego,

37:00

we were like, should we just go down to Mexico?

37:02

And it was like, to Tijuana. And it was mostly

37:04

just bars for, I get the feeling,

37:06

Americans who are under 21 to get drunk and

37:09

pharmacies selling all sorts of drugs

37:11

that would normally require prescriptions.

37:14

He did make sure to take all of his guns and ammunition

37:16

because, of course, he did. Now, this one seemed

37:18

like a great opportunity for James and his family. Sure,

37:21

moving out of the country could be seen as a bit extreme,

37:23

but now they had a chance to start over. And,

37:26

as far as Etrin the girls went, it actually worked.

37:28

After moving in, they managed to adjust very quickly and were actually

37:30

enjoying their new life.

37:32

James, not so much. Surprise, surprise, he

37:34

never managed to actually assimilate into

37:36

his new surroundings, speaking little to no Spanish

37:38

and being unable to find any work. He was already

37:41

closed off and irritable when they moved down to Mexico,

37:43

and it only got worse after they did. He

37:45

had failed, yet again, after being so confident

37:48

that this would actually be a win for him, which

37:50

only added to his misery. So James, having no

37:53

actual care for the hardships of constantly moving

37:55

house or the feelings of his so-called loved ones, was

37:57

already regretting his decision to leave the US.

37:59

In 1984, only three months after moving to Mexico,

38:02

James and his family moved back to the USA. More

38:05

specifically, to an apartment in San Ysidro,

38:07

California, a largely poor district of San

38:09

Diego, just north of the Mexico United

38:11

States border. Quite the fall, am I right, from

38:13

living in a beautiful house and making good money at his job

38:15

to losing all of that and moving to a small town with little

38:18

to no money? James Hubert was a proud man,

38:20

regardless of how unearned that pride

38:22

was, and every single failure and setback chipped away

38:24

at said pride until there was almost nothing

38:26

left. I don't know. Like,

38:29

I find it quite easy, in

38:31

this case, to separate the

38:33

man and his mental

38:36

problems and his obvious

38:38

psycho tendencies from his genuine

38:42

success at work. Like,

38:43

his pride was unearned. Like

38:48

he made a bunch of money, he had a good

38:50

job, and all of this stuff, and then not having

38:52

that later is going to be really hard.

38:55

Like, that's going to be tough. For James,

38:57

life in San Ysidro was abysmal, since it turns

38:59

out that James is also a bit of a racist. Wait,

39:02

he moved to Mexico. The Hubertes

39:04

were the only Anglo-Americans in the area,

39:06

and apparently that infuriated James and gave

39:08

him the right to treat people around him as lesser than himself.

39:11

God, he really is checking all of the boxes here,

39:13

isn't he? The second was that he did get a new job, but

39:15

not for long. It wasn't even as a welder his preferred

39:17

occupation, but as a security guard with a security

39:19

firm. He started in April and was assigned to a condominium

39:22

complex in Chula Vista. However, given

39:24

his horrid

39:25

attitude and his need to be a pompous

39:27

holier-than-thou loner, he was fired in

39:29

less than two months. Every failure, every

39:31

setback, every time he found himself at the bottom

39:34

of the mountain with almost no one to blame, but

39:36

himself. And we're back where we began.

39:39

He reached out for help. A mistake led to him not getting

39:41

it, and something within him finally snapped. The

39:43

darkness had been corrupting him ever since he was

39:45

young, and now it finally let go, opening

39:48

the floodgates for the chaos to come. In

39:52

humans.

39:55

Goodbye,

40:00

I won't be back.

40:01

Those

40:04

are the last words James Huberty said to his eldest

40:06

daughter, Zelia, as he exited their home on

40:08

July 8, 1984. As he watched him leave,

40:10

she noted the Winchester 1200, 12 gauge

40:12

pump action shotgun over his shoulder, the box

40:15

of ammunition in his hand, and a large bundle

40:17

wrapped up in a checkered blanket under his arm. Getting

40:19

into his black, Mercury Marquis sedan, James

40:21

pulled away from his apartment, a blank look in his eyes,

40:24

and he drove down San Ysidro Boulevard. His

40:26

car was spotted by a number of eyewitnesses, all of

40:28

which said that they'd seen him entering the parking lot

40:30

of a big bear supermarket

40:31

in the new branch of the US Post Office, before

40:33

he seemed to change his mind and head to another

40:35

location. And that's when he pulled into the parking

40:37

lot of McDonald's. So let's set

40:40

the scene. It's 3.56 pm, and

40:42

the restaurant is still somewhat busy coming off the lunch

40:44

rush a couple of hours previous. The employees are

40:46

enjoying a bit of a lull before they get hit again for the

40:48

dinner rush in a little over an hour. There's people of all

40:50

ages still in the building, from children to the elderly, 45

40:54

customers in total before James Huberty walked through

40:56

the doors. Still in hand, he

40:58

also came armed with a 9mm Browning HP

41:00

semi-automatic pistol, a 9mm Uzi carbine,

41:02

and a box and a cloth bag filled with hundreds

41:05

of rounds of ammunition for each weapon. Behind

41:07

the register was

41:08

16-year-old John Arnold, simply a working

41:10

his shift, unaware that all

41:12

hell was about to break loose. While

41:14

still 15 feet away from this boy, James took

41:16

his shotgun from his shoulder and aimed it directly

41:19

at John's head.

41:20

Before John could leap out of the way, James pulled

41:22

the trigger.

41:24

But nothing happened. It simply clicked. Nothing

41:26

came of it. James started backing away as James

41:28

started fixing his firearm, just as the restaurant

41:31

manager, 22-year-old Neva Kane, came

41:33

around the counter to see what all the hullabaloo was

41:35

about. Before anyone says anything about why

41:37

someone didn't just tack or tackle James to the ground, not

41:39

only did this all happen very quickly, but John,

41:42

as well as a number of others, believed that this sort was some sort

41:44

of bad joke. There was no way some nutcase

41:46

actually came into McDonald's and just tried to blast the

41:48

cashier, right? I mean, yeah,

41:50

and also anyone being like, oh, it'll tackle him to the

41:52

ground. It's like, yeah, okay, hero.

41:54

Unless you've actually done that.

41:56

How about you don't actually know

41:58

how you'd react in a situation like that?

42:00

Unfortunately, this was no joke.

42:02

Once the gun was fixed, James aimed at Skyward and

42:04

sent a test shot into the ceiling, startling everyone

42:07

in the restaurant. Before anyone could react,

42:09

he aimed his Uzi directly at Niva, shooting

42:12

her right underneath the left eye.

42:14

She fell to the ground, coming to

42:16

the wound minutes later.

42:17

Then gazing towards his original target,

42:19

he blasted John in the chest and arm with a shotgun,

42:21

wounding him terribly, before shouting to the whole restaurant,

42:25

everybody on the ground. Calling the patrons,

42:27

dirty swine, Vietnam assholes,

42:30

James claimed that he had killed thousands and

42:32

would kill thousands more. 25-year-old Victor

42:34

Rivera tried to talk James down and approached

42:36

him, with his hands lifted up. Victor

42:38

tried to tell James that he didn't have to do this, but

42:41

no one would tell James what to

42:43

do ever again. Without hesitation, James

42:45

shot Victor 14 times,

42:47

all the while screaming at the innocent

42:49

man to shut up. What happened

42:52

from there was 77 minutes of pure panic and

42:55

pain. Victor's tried to hide under

42:57

the tables and behind booths, but it wasn't enough. James

42:59

walked through the restaurant, guns at the ready. His

43:01

first targets after killing Victor were a group of

43:04

women and children all huddled together. 19-year-old

43:07

Maria Colmanaro-Silver was first, followed

43:09

by 9-year-old Claudia Perez, while

43:11

15-year-old Imelda Perez, Claudia's older sister,

43:14

was shot in the hand,

43:15

but survived. He then turned his shotgun

43:18

on 11-year-old Aurora Pena. She was wounded

43:20

in the leg, but before James could do any more damage,

43:22

Aurora's pregnant heart, 18-year-old Jackie

43:24

Reyes shielded her from any further harm. James

43:27

would shoot Jackie 48

43:28

times. What

43:30

happened immediately after is

43:32

probably one of the most cold and

43:34

heartless acts I have ever encountered, whether it

43:36

be in my research or any of the videos already

43:38

on this channel. Jackie was a mother already

43:40

by the time of the attack, and she had brought with her a son,

43:43

8-month-old Carlos Reyes, who

43:45

was lying next to his mother's body.

43:47

With all the carnage around him, he started screaming

43:50

and crying, undoubtedly frightened. James

43:52

sneered at the baby, screamed at him to be

43:54

quiet, and with no hesitation,

43:56

with no hint of restraint, he

43:58

took out the pistol. and shot the infant

44:01

in the middle of the back, killing him instantly.

44:04

Not wasting any time,

44:05

the slaughter continued with the death of 62-year-old

44:07

trucker Lawrence Vesulis. Next,

44:09

James turns his attention to the Herrera family who are hiding

44:12

in the play area trying to stay out of sight. 31-year-old

44:14

Blythe Herrera, 33-year-old Ronald Herrera,

44:17

11-year-old Mateo Herrera, and Mateo's

44:19

friend, 12-year-old Keith Thomas, were

44:21

all shot.

44:22

All the while, Herrera's parents did the best to shield

44:24

the boys from the onslaught. Ronald was shot six

44:27

times, but managed to survive, as did Keith. Sadly,

44:29

Blythe and Mateo weren't so lucky.

44:32

Both were killed by multiple shots to the head.

44:35

After that, James turned his attention to

44:37

24-year-old Guadalupe Del Rio, 25-year-old Gloria

44:40

Ramirez, and 31-year-old Aris

44:42

D'Alcy Vuevas Vargas, who

44:45

were trying to hide behind a booth.

44:47

Del Rio was against the wall,

44:49

being shielded by her two friends, and thankfully

44:51

she wasn't too terribly wounded. Ramirez

44:53

was also unharmed, but Vargas was shot in the back

44:55

of the head and would pass away the next day. Two-year-old

44:58

banker Hugo Velasquez Vazquez was next,

45:00

and he was shot in the chest and killed,

45:03

or tried to hide in a booth. All of this had

45:05

only taken place in the span of a few minutes. A

45:08

little after 4pm, Lydia Flores pulled

45:10

into the parking lot of the McDonald's with a two-year-old daughter

45:12

Melissa in the car. Pulling in along the drive-through,

45:15

she looked in through the pickup window and saw James Huberty

45:17

unloading on those inside. Filled with panic, she reversed

45:19

through the lot, but crashed into the fence along the

45:21

property. She then took Melissa and

45:23

hid in the bushes nearby until the carnage was

45:25

over.

45:26

The next car wasn't so lucky. At

45:28

around 4.05pm, Ostolfo

45:31

and Maricela Felix, 31 and 23

45:33

respectively, pulled through the drive-through

45:36

with their four-month-old daughter, Carlita. Seeing

45:39

this, James exited the restaurant and unloaded

45:41

both his shotgun and oozy at the car. Marciala

45:44

shot in the face, my arms, the chest, blinding

45:46

her in one eye and permanently rendering one hand unusable,

45:48

while Ostolfo was shot in the head and chest. Carlita

45:51

was shot in the neck, chest, and abdomen.

45:54

All three of them exited the car and out of the

45:56

line of fire, but they were all badly injured. They

45:58

handed their baby to a nearby woman. woman named Lucia Velasco,

46:01

who was able to get the little one to a nearby hospital

46:03

as the parents collapsed in pain. Thankfully,

46:06

the whole family survived. Around this

46:08

time, three young boys were riding their bikes down the

46:10

street, heading to McDonald's in the hopes of getting Sundays

46:12

onto them what seemed like a normal warm day

46:15

in San Ysidro. As they rode up, though, instead

46:17

of ice cream,

46:18

they rode into hell.

46:19

Hearing someone from across the street telling them to stop,

46:21

they all hesitated. That's the time the James

46:24

needed. He unloaded his Uzi and shotgun

46:26

at all three boys. Eleven-year-old Joshua

46:28

Coleman was shot in the back, arm and

46:30

leg falling to the ground, crying out in pain.

46:33

He looked to his two friends, scared for them as well,

46:35

only to see them too on the ground riddled

46:37

with bullets. Omar, Alonso Hernandez,

46:40

and David Flores Delgado, both also

46:42

eleven years old, passed away there

46:44

in the street,

46:45

shot in the back in the head.

46:47

At this point, numerous people were either wounded

46:49

or dead and fear gripped the survivors within the

46:52

restaurant. James was getting ready to unload

46:54

again on the poor unfortunate customers when he noticed

46:56

movement near the front entrance. An elderly couple,

46:58

74-year-old Miguel Victoria Lower and

47:00

69-year-old Ada Velasquez

47:03

Victoria, were making their way towards the

47:05

front, none the wiser of the evil waiting for them.

47:07

Miguel reached out for the door, and just

47:09

as he was about to open it, the explosion of a shotgun

47:12

blast pierced the air, killing Ada instantly

47:14

with shots at the head and wounding Miguel's arm. James

47:16

then walked up to

47:17

them as Miguel, grief-stricken and bleeding, cradled

47:20

the body of his deceased wife, trying to

47:22

wipe away blood pooling from her face. He

47:25

looked up at James, cursing him with every step

47:27

he took.

47:28

James in kind swore at the older man, raised

47:30

his gun,

47:31

and shot him in the head. That done, James

47:33

then made his way to the back and towards the kitchen,

47:35

pushing through the doors. He spotted a number of

47:38

workers trying to hide, that being 21-year-old

47:40

Paulina Lopez, 19-year-old Elsa

47:42

Boroba Fierro, 18-year-old

47:45

Margita Padilla, 17-year-old Albert

47:48

Leos, 17-year-old Wendy Flanagan

47:50

and a number of other workers. With a snare, he

47:52

cried out,

47:54

Oh, there's more. You're trying to hide from

47:56

me, you bastards. Screaming for their lives,

47:58

the workers tried to flee as James opened the door.

47:59

and fire. Paulina, Elsa, and Margarita were

48:02

all killed in the spray of bullets, but Wendy, four

48:04

of the other workers, and a female customer were able

48:06

to get to the basement storage area and safety.

48:09

Albert dragged himself down there after being shot

48:11

five times, being critically injured, though

48:13

he did ultimately survive. After shooting at

48:16

a nearby fire truck as it passed by, wounding one

48:18

of the firefighters in the process, he turned his attention

48:20

back to the customers, ending the lives of 19-year-old

48:22

Jose Perez, Jose's friend, the 22-year-old

48:25

Gloria Gonzalez, an 18-year-old Michar

48:27

Cancross, in a hail of gunfire. A final

48:29

bit of bloodshed

48:29

came when he took notice of Aurora

48:32

Baña once again. Seeing her still alive,

48:34

surrounded by her dead family and friends, he

48:36

threw a bag of french fries at her, as if to humiliate

48:39

her, before grabbing his shotgun

48:41

and shooting her in the arm, neck, and jaw. But

48:44

she managed to survive.

48:46

And thankfully for her, and all those still alive

48:48

in McDonald's, the hourglass on James Huberty's

48:50

reign of terror and his life

48:53

had finally run out.

48:57

Shooting the bloodshed So

49:00

I know what you must be thinking after all this. Why

49:02

aren't the hell with the police? The answer? Well,

49:04

off to a terrible start. I wasn't thinking

49:06

that. I assume all of this happened very, very

49:09

quickly.

49:10

And someone has to call the police, and then the

49:12

police have to arrive, like I assume in like

49:14

a SWAT team or whatever.

49:16

And that's not going to happen.

49:17

I mean, how long did all of this take?

49:20

It was a little after 4pm, minutes after the

49:22

massacre commenced, that the first call came into the police.

49:24

They were notified of the shooting taking place, specifically

49:27

of a child in the restaurant that had been taken to the

49:29

nearby post office for safety. So what

49:31

took them so long? That

49:32

would be a raw, great f*** up. While the

49:34

police were dispatched to try and deal with the threat, the dispatcher

49:36

sent the officers to the wrong McDonald's, one that was 2

49:39

miles or 3 kilometers from the San Ysidro

49:41

Boulevard restaurant. This slowed down their response

49:43

time, and in the end, cost a number of people their lives.

49:46

It took about 10 minutes after the first call came in for officers to arrive

49:49

at the correct restaurant and a number of people

49:51

who had already been killed. 10 minutes still feels like,

49:53

why is the expected arrival time of police

49:55

on the scene of something like this? I guess it's

49:57

going to be minutes.

49:59

But 10 minutes I mean, is 10

50:02

minutes an outrageously bad response

50:04

time? Setting up a perimeter, the officers

50:07

set a lockdown of the area to keep people away

50:09

in order to keep them safe and out of the range gunfire.

50:11

The whole time James was inside killing innocent people,

50:13

he also made sure to take pot shots at the police.

50:16

Several squad cars were pelted with bullets, all while

50:18

the officers were doing their best to take stock of the situation.

50:21

Because James was repeatedly switching between his different firearms,

50:23

the authorities didn't know whether it was one shooter

50:25

or multiple, and with the shattered glass of the windows,

50:28

it was hard to get a read on the inside. They were worried

50:30

about a hostage situation, and trying to minimize

50:32

casualties as much as possible. Within the

50:34

hour, officers were joined by a SWAT team, and by 5.05 pm,

50:37

all law enforcement was given permission to end

50:39

the target if they could get a clean shot.

50:42

Jesus, they need permission.

50:45

Like the guys in there shooting people.

50:47

Kill him. That clean

50:49

shot was a 27-year-old police SWAT sniper

50:51

named Charles Foster. At 5.17 pm,

50:54

almost an hour and a half after the chaos started, James

50:56

moved towards the counter in the doorway which provided

50:59

a clean shot from where Foster was set up with

51:01

his rifle. Lining him up with his telescopic sight,

51:04

he didn't hesitate.

51:05

I believe Foster said it best after it all went

51:07

down.

51:08

I never did see his face. The first time

51:10

I was actually able to see Hubert E., he was

51:12

sitting on a counter in the middle of the building. Then

51:14

he got up and started walking towards the door where we

51:16

had a better view of him from the neck down. He stood

51:19

about six feet from the door, so I took

51:21

the shot.

51:21

He dropped the Uzi and was thrown back

51:24

a few feet. James never knew what hit him.

51:26

A shot rang out from approximately 35 yards

51:28

or 32 meters away, flying into the McDonald's

51:30

and piercing his chest. He was thrown onto the floor

51:33

and died almost immediately, blood pooling

51:35

around him and gushing from his back.

51:37

The massacre was over.

51:38

And James Hubert E.,

51:39

age 41, was no more.

51:41

After the killer was dead, officers

51:43

entered, guns drawn. Still unsure

51:46

if James was alone, officers asked the survivors if

51:48

he was the one who caused so much carnage to which they answered

51:50

yes. By that time, many of the survivors

51:52

had already tried to treat their wounds with napkins. In

51:54

those 77 minutes, James Hubert had fired a minimum

51:56

of 257 rounds and killed 21 people.

51:59

along with injuring many others. Now,

52:02

before I end this chapter, in the time I

52:04

took to look up information to use in this piece, I actually

52:06

came across the crime scene photo of James Hubert's

52:09

body. I won't describe it at this time,

52:11

but I won't lie to you either when I say I felt

52:14

a touch of satisfaction in getting a chance

52:16

to flip off the maniacal ass-wipe. I

52:18

feel satisfaction now as I say, f**k you,

52:20

James Hubert. Yeah, I mean,

52:23

sort of monster just

52:25

goes into a McDonald's and targets

52:28

families and children.

52:31

Picking up the pieces The

52:35

section begins with a quote.

52:36

A couple with a child in between them. A very young

52:39

girl and a parent on the floor next to her. A

52:41

man, in his twenties or thirties. An

52:43

older woman slumped in a booth. Two teenage

52:45

boys in t-shirts and shorts with their dinners

52:47

still half-eaten on the table.

52:49

I have a churning stomach.

52:51

It looked like a war zone. Those are

52:53

the words of Roger Hedgecock, mayor of San Diego

52:55

at the time of seeing the devastation at the site

52:57

of the shooting. The whole of California was

52:59

rocked by the heinous slaughter at the McDonald's, which quickly

53:02

became known as the San Ysidro McDonald's massacre.

53:04

The people wanted to know what could have caused

53:07

this disgusting attack, especially with how

53:09

out of the blue it all felt. By the very next

53:11

day, the shooter had been identified as James Hubert,

53:13

his identity being made public. The vultures,

53:15

aka the reporters, swarmed El Hubert's

53:17

house in Mount Eaton, Ohio, trying to

53:19

find out as much as they could about James.

53:21

Earl was understandably heartbroken,

53:23

describing James as a lost sheep, stating,

53:26

"...yesterday was the worst day of my life.

53:28

I feel so sorry

53:30

for those people." Because of the sheer amount of

53:32

deaths in the massacre, local funeral homes

53:34

were full to capacity so much so that

53:36

they had to use the Ysidro Civic Center

53:38

to hold wakes for each victim.

53:40

I'm not sure I could have come up with a more depressing

53:43

pair of sentences had I tried.

53:45

The gun debate which still rages on today

53:47

was also brought up in the conversation, many wondering

53:50

how someone so clearly disturbed was allowed to

53:52

buy so many guns and so much ammo unchecked.

53:55

And that's sadly a question that has yet to go properly answered

53:57

even now. Well, it seems strange, as we mentioned

53:59

earlier.

53:59

The fact that his wife served time,

54:02

right, for the gun offenses.

54:05

And the fact that he seems he shot his dog

54:07

in front of his neighbor, he pointed his guns

54:10

at passers-by. It seems at

54:12

some point someone should have looked into this. Like, his

54:14

ownership of guns? That's fine.

54:17

That's something that is allowed in America. But

54:19

the fact that he was committing crimes

54:22

with these guns and still being allowed them? That's

54:25

not good enough. The officers who responded to

54:27

the scene didn't have it easy either. A number of them suffered

54:30

mental scars just from seeing the sheer amount of death

54:32

and carnage within the McDonald's that day. These

54:34

include cases of sleep withdrawal, loss of

54:36

memory, and guilt in the months following the

54:39

attack. Many criticized the police for how they handled

54:41

it, but given the circumstances and the obstacles that

54:43

stood in their way, I personally believe that the police

54:46

did the best

54:46

they could. To quote the San Diego Police Chief

54:48

William Collender, I believe the operation was handled

54:51

the way it should have been handled. Other

54:53

than the dispatcher sending them to the

54:55

wrong McDonald's, which is a mistake,

54:59

and I'm sure it's not some egregious mistake.

55:01

They did what they could, they responded quickly,

55:04

SWAT showed up within the time, it seems SWAT

55:06

showed up and then they killed him.

55:09

It's Huberti's

55:10

fault. He's the one who went in there

55:12

and killed all those people. As a McDonald's, well,

55:15

in the days following the massacre, all television and radio

55:17

advertisements were temporarily suspended in a show

55:19

of respect for the lives lost. Definitely a nice

55:21

gesture. But what they did next, I'm not so sure. The

55:23

McDonald's on San Ysidro Boulevard was refurbished

55:25

and renovated within two days

55:27

of the massacre. I know that life

55:29

goes on and all that, and it's about getting back to business, but

55:32

good lord. Apparently, the hope was that despite

55:34

what had happened, the restaurant would just go back to normal and

55:36

be another McDonald's. But I think not.

55:38

The shadow of that day followed the store until

55:40

its last day. Thankfully, common sense prevailed.

55:43

After the decision was made, the restaurant would not open and it was

55:45

demolished on September 26, 1984.

55:47

After that demolition, McDonald's donated the ground

55:50

to the city with the stipulation that no restaurant

55:52

be constructed on the site. The year's

55:54

plans are in place to build something on the site, either

55:56

a memorial park or a shrine

55:57

to the dead. However, it wasn't until 1990 that

55:59

it was

55:59

that something was unveiled. A memorial consisting

56:02

of 21 hexagonal white marble pillars

56:04

were constructed at 460 West San

56:06

Ysidro Boulevard, and they're still there to

56:09

this day. Designed by former Southwestern

56:11

college student Roberto Valdez, each pillar

56:13

is between one and six feet tall, and each bears the

56:15

name of a victim from that terrible day. Commenting

56:17

on the memorial, Valdez says, The 21 hexagons

56:20

represent each person that died, and they are

56:22

different heights, representing the variety of ages

56:24

and races of the people involved in the massacre.

56:27

They're bonded together in the hopes that the community,

56:29

in a tragedy like this, will stick

56:32

together

56:32

like they did. And now I know what you must be thinking.

56:35

What about his family? What about Etna and the girls? Well,

56:37

they didn't have the greatest of times after everything was

56:39

said and done. First off, James was cremated on July 23,

56:42

1984. His ashes returned to his family before they

56:45

were interred in his home state of Ohio. After

56:47

that, and with their name being out of the public eye,

56:49

Etna and her daughters all received death threats

56:51

because of what their husband and father did. I fully

56:54

understand being enraged over the death of your loved ones,

56:56

but threatening to murder the relatives of a piece of sh** who

56:58

committed the crime. Yeah, that doesn't fly.

57:01

Nor does it make any sense. And it

57:02

caused all three of them to seek counseling for the

57:05

mental strain. Yeah, this is not their fault.

57:07

They were also victims of this man. Etna

57:09

admitted that Hadshid knowing the horrors he would unleash,

57:12

she wouldn't have stopped James

57:14

from ending his life. Finally,

57:15

we need to talk about the lawsuits. The first is a

57:17

bit understandable as a measure of grief, as

57:19

several surviving family members of those who died

57:21

in the attack filed lawsuits against McDonald's and

57:24

the San Diego Police Department. Against McDonald's?

57:27

For what, being the location? They believed

57:29

the restaurant should have had steps in place to protect customers

57:31

inside the establishment in case something

57:33

like this was to happen, and the police should have acted quicker

57:35

and better in order to take James down and save their

57:37

loved ones. Second one, maybe, because

57:40

of the screw-up with the location. The first one

57:42

is like, what, do you want to have safe rooms in all McDonald's

57:44

now, at all restaurants?

57:45

This is tragic. But

57:48

that's unrealistic. All the suits

57:50

were consolidated rather quickly and dismissed.

57:59

They shouldn't be held accountable, nor should

58:02

the police department who they believe acted accordingly

58:04

into their best efforts. And finally, the

58:06

next lawsuit was from Eppner Huberty in July 1986,

58:08

against whom you might be

58:11

asking? I would say against… uh…

58:13

the mental health care person who

58:15

didn't call them back and could have stopped all

58:17

of this. I'm very weak, I imagine it will be dismissed,

58:20

but

58:21

that's who I would guess. Why? It

58:23

was against McDonald's and Babcock & Wilcox, of course. Against

58:26

McDonald's? The former employer?

58:29

His former employer when he was a welder?

58:31

What are you after? The reason? She

58:34

blamed them for James' breakdown and terrible actions.

58:37

McDonald's? How? McDonald's?

58:40

How? Apparently it was James' poor diet from eating so much

58:42

McDonald's that made him insane and decided to shoot

58:44

up the restaurant. Oh, come on, what are you up to? Oh,

58:46

and all those chemicals and highly poisonous metals he worked

58:48

with on a daily basis scrambled his brain and caused

58:51

him

58:51

to shoot children. Now, I felt sorry

58:53

for this whole ordeal, but this quickly reminded me

58:55

that she wasn't exactly a basket of roses

58:57

either. Thankfully that was firmly dismissed.

59:00

Edna Huberty died from breast cancer in 2003 and from

59:02

what I can gather both Zelia and Cassandra alive and

59:04

well, living their lives and trying to move past the

59:06

dark shadow left behind by their monster

59:08

of a father. In fact, Zelia took part

59:11

in an interview years later in regards to the San

59:13

Bernardino shooter. When asked about her father,

59:15

she stated if she could travel back in time, she probably

59:18

would have killed my father before any of this would have occurred.

59:20

As far as her

59:21

life after the tragedy, she said she was doing

59:23

well, though the road hasn't been easy.

59:26

Quote, You can either dwell on the situation or move forward.

59:28

If you're stagnant, you can sink into a deep depression.

59:31

For me, I didn't go down that route. I

59:34

moved forward and proceeded with life, the

59:36

normal aspects of life, family,

59:38

friends, work. Good

59:42

for you. Wrap Up And

59:45

that brings our story to an end and I won't

59:48

lie to you. This one was difficult. I

59:50

swear I need to find a lighter topic for my own mental health.

59:52

James Huberty was an incredibly sad and pathetic

59:54

man. His whole life revolved around himself.

59:56

And whenever things didn't go his way, he blamed everyone

59:59

and everyone.

59:59

everything else. Whether it was his neighbors, the government,

1:00:02

the president, or just America as a whole, it

1:00:04

could never be his fault, otherwise he'd have to face the fact

1:00:06

of how much a failure at life he really was. And I know

1:00:08

what you might be thinking. He clearly had some form of mental

1:00:11

illness. He was hearing voices, after all, and so

1:00:13

schizophrenia is definitely on the table. And before

1:00:15

his rampage had reached out to help, it just got

1:00:17

lost in misinformation and bad assumptions. I'll

1:00:19

concede that point. That's very much true. But

1:00:22

counterpoint.

1:00:23

Mental illness or not, he chose violence. He

1:00:25

chose, after planning it out over the span

1:00:27

of a day, to grab his guns, go to a populated

1:00:29

area which so happened to be a crowded McDonald's

1:00:32

and shoot up the joint. In the end, he murdered a good

1:00:34

number of people, stealing away their lives when

1:00:36

they'd done nothing wrong. And even those who

1:00:38

survived, they've undoubtedly been haunted

1:00:40

by the awful memories of that day and they carry

1:00:42

the physical, mental, and emotional scars

1:00:44

with them now.

1:00:45

All because of a loser with a gun. The folks in the McDonald's

1:00:48

didn't deserve to die and the survivors didn't deserve

1:00:50

to suffer. None of them did. It was

1:00:53

a restaurant full of strangers, innocent faces who did nothing

1:00:55

wrong, and to him, that probably

1:00:57

was their crime. They were happy. They were

1:00:59

enjoying their lives. All the while, his had

1:01:01

gone into the toilet, had been screwed over by the world.

1:01:04

And this was one final act of rage,

1:01:07

defiance, and selfishness. To tell

1:01:09

the world that he truly mattered. In

1:01:11

Etna Huberty's own words, she believed that this was

1:01:13

James' way to get back at society.

1:01:15

He was trying to make society hurt

1:01:18

the way that he was hurting. Now

1:01:20

as we exit the darkness together, we'll remember

1:01:22

the

1:01:22

victims of that tragic day. The names will

1:01:25

be on the screen now. Thanks for watching.

1:01:59

Bye.

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