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it's yucky. It's icky I

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got a fun that so like I

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said if you are this is your

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first time coming here every episode we

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in the very beginning we ramble for about

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10 or 15 minutes and then we get

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were wrongfully convicted. Yeah.

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How ironic. How fitting. So

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that's probably gonna take you through about the first 45 minutes

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of this episode

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then it'll go to the Joe

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the show. If you don't want

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you're gonna learn about people that are wrongfully convicted. We

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always have a fun news news are these

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are real news articles pulled from the web

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every week and we start every show with

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these said articles and this one

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this week. Over half of them are

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from Florida too so a lot of them are from Florida

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a lot of them are from that panhandle

6:56

general area a lot of

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fucking whole bunch of pain eaters down

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there weird shit going on down there

7:04

man there's they

7:06

march the beat of a different drum Oklahoma

7:10

fishermen who thought friend was trying to feed

7:12

him to a Bigfoot convicted of murder. Yeah

7:14

been there man I've been trying to get

7:16

you locked up for years. Old

7:19

Larry Doyle Sanders look

7:21

at that guy. He looks like a Larry. He looks like he's

7:23

about to get fed to a Bigfoot. A

7:28

man who claimed he killed his

7:30

friend because he believed the victim

7:32

was summoning Bigfoot was convicted of

7:34

murder. Larry Doyle

7:37

Sanders was found guilty by an Oak Lay

7:39

Home a judge April 17th according

7:41

to reports from the Oklahoman

7:43

the added news and KX 11 Jimmy

7:48

Knighton was strangled to death

7:50

in July of 2022 while

7:53

out fishing with Sanders the

7:55

outlets reported. After

7:57

waving a right to a jury trial Sanders the

8:00

The attorney reportedly claimed that his

8:02

client had acted in self-defense. The

8:04

Oklahoman reported that Sanders claimed

8:07

during testimony that while out noodling

8:09

with Knighton... Oh, dude. That's

8:13

gay. If

8:17

I know anything about anything, then noodling is gay. Out

8:21

noodling with Knighton, he had seen three... count them. One,

8:26

two, three Sasquatch-looking figures

8:28

by the river. Hell yeah, dude.

8:32

I always feel like

8:34

somebody's watching me. Witnesses

8:37

for the prosecution testified that Sanders

8:39

had said he believed Knighton was

8:41

trying to kill him and send

8:43

his body down the river as

8:46

a sacrifice to Bigfoot,

8:49

reported the Oklahoman. The

8:51

paper reported that a

8:53

forensic psychiatrist test... uh,

8:55

testosteroneed, testified that Sanders

8:57

was suffering from methamphetamine-induced psychosis

9:00

and believed he was defending himself. Knighton

9:03

died following a fight, during which Sanders put

9:05

him in a chokehold. The

9:07

outlets reported that Sanders faces up

9:09

to life in prison without parole.

9:11

Quote, Jimmy truly enjoyed

9:14

anything and everything outdoors, Knighton's obituary

9:16

reads. He loved to fish, hunt

9:19

game, ride four-wheelers, and most of all,

9:21

drink his beer around a big bonfire.

9:23

Amen, brother. He met a stranger and

9:25

would give anyone the shirt off his

9:27

back. Damn. So Jimmy,

9:29

Knighton... Sounds

9:31

like he doesn't need that shirt anymore, I'll take it.

9:34

His buds for you, buddy. Yes,

9:36

sir. His buds for you. You

9:39

and you and you, real man

9:42

of genius. That's good. Remember

9:44

those? I used to write them down, because I

9:46

had a bunch of ideas for them. Right. And

9:49

it never panned out. Yeah. I think

9:51

I did a job as a mechanic at the Anheuser-Busch

9:53

factory in Columbus.

9:56

Got an interview. You

9:58

weren't... Better off

10:01

getting a job as a fucking federal

10:03

bureau agent for trying to apply that

10:05

goddamn place I'm sure it's probably yeah,

10:07

they probably got some crazy crazy rules

10:09

and regulations you gotta buy two kinds

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of stuff, man Yeah, you got a

10:14

case of beer on payday though. That's pretty dope. I

10:16

ain't drinking that not that fucking

10:18

domestic bullshit swamp water That

10:21

dink and linky Mulvaney stuff and bath

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water. Yeah doesn't Bother

10:28

me at all. I don't give a shit. Oh

10:30

my god. It was never a good beer to

10:32

begin with exactly Yeah, and Dylan Mulvaney's a cutie.

10:34

You know is the twink right? I

10:36

guess I'm technically not a twink but tight body

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a lizard. I'd slap that slut around Cool

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right, wrongful convictions. Now this is

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man. Dude, this is bad. Terrifying.

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It's terrifying. Some of these are pretty

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crazy though, man. I don't know if I'd want to

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deal the time for the money.

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No, if someone said, how about $75

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million for 20 years? 20

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years of your life? No. I'll

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be poor. Yeah. I just, and

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you have a, practically you have a 20%

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chance of just dying and the, I

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don't know, I wouldn't, no. Not a chance. I

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think it's a really bad idea. Yeah, yeah, I'm not trying

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to commit any crimes. Even if you guys are trying to

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offer us $75 million, don't

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even think about it. Yeah. Because

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we're not gonna do it unless you ask. Then

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we gotta think about it. We're cutting a lot of

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money right now, but. In the grand

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scheme of 20 years? I

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don't know, man. There's a lot, buddy. Yeah, no

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bills though during that 20 years. Kinda

14:03

nice. Then

14:07

at least once you get out and you get that 75 mil you

14:09

can build your credit up super quick. Once

14:14

you get out No,

14:16

we're gonna So let's start

14:19

these. Okay wrongful convictions in the

14:21

United States are a significant issue

14:23

within the criminal justice system These

14:27

these occur when individuals are convicted and punished

14:29

for crimes They did not commit and

14:32

several factors can can that contribute

14:34

to wrongful convictions including eyewitness Misidentification

14:36

where eyewitness testimony is often relied

14:38

upon in criminal cases, but it

14:40

can be unreliable Due

14:43

to factors like stress trauma or bias

14:46

Do I know some crazy fucking people? Yeah,

14:49

I'm crazy people and to think

14:51

that they would perhaps be the

14:53

one Held

14:56

the fate of whether a person goes

14:58

to prison or life dude in her

15:00

life or crazy man goes to the

15:02

fucking Lethal

15:05

injection chair. Mm-hmm No

15:08

way it's it's crazy to think about

15:11

you know who I really feel bad for right now Is

15:14

those people that are gonna serve on the

15:16

the jury for Donald Trump's hush

15:19

money? Oh, yeah. Yeah Those

15:22

people are fucked either way They're

15:25

leaving much money. They're literally fucked

15:28

no matter what they do. Yeah,

15:30

people are gonna find out who they are

15:32

for sure Yeah, people are gonna do their

15:35

homework. They're gonna dig There's

15:38

not a You know

15:40

you and I are pretty

15:42

middle of the road not really I'd

15:47

say in terms of you more so than me But

15:51

even I don't think I

15:53

could sit in that trial and not be Partial

15:56

in one. Oh, yeah one direction or

15:58

the other sure it would It could be way

16:01

too hard. And the

16:03

thing about trials and fair trials

16:06

and justice, the

16:09

juror, they're not supposed to know anything about

16:11

the person that's being prosecuted. Right, right. The

16:13

person being prosecuted was the leader of

16:17

their country for four years. And

16:19

knowing what everybody else knows about this country,

16:22

there's a hard divide. So if

16:25

you go in there and you're right-leaning, or

16:31

if you're strong left, it's

16:33

almost as if you're going in there with

16:35

your mind made up, essentially. I don't

16:37

know if this is common,

16:39

but they've already released what

16:42

the jurors kind

16:45

of thinks about

16:48

them. A husband with three daughters who's a

16:50

school teacher, and with all

16:52

of the information they released, they also released

16:54

where they get their news from. Almost

16:57

like it's pointing, they're

17:02

telling you right up front whether this person is right-leaning

17:05

or left-leaning. And it is gonna

17:07

be an utter chit-choo.

17:11

All it takes is one sour apple, which

17:13

is gonna be. Absolutely. That's how democracy's set

17:15

up, to be a slight

17:18

majority. But for a

17:21

trial like that, you have to be convicted, you

17:23

have to be unanimous. Yeah.

17:26

It's not gonna happen. I don't think

17:29

so. Whether it's supposed to happen or not,

17:31

I'm not here to debate that. I honestly

17:33

don't fucking care. Yeah. It

17:35

would be really cool if he runs the country from prison, like

17:39

the exotic's trying to do. That would be

17:41

fucking awesome, man. They

17:44

do like the State of the Union, and it's

17:46

on the yard. He's in his fucking prison,

17:48

blues. Yeah, oranges.

17:51

I don't fucking care. There's also

17:53

false confessions, sometimes innocent individuals confess

17:55

to crimes they did not commit,

17:58

often due to coercion, intimidation. or

18:00

mental health issues. There's

18:02

inadequate legal representation. Defendants

18:04

who cannot afford competent

18:06

legal representation may receive

18:09

inadequate defense, increasing the likelihood

18:11

of wrongful convictions. And if

18:14

I tell you, dude, if any

18:16

of you listening are ever in

18:18

a legal situation, don't

18:21

ever use the court-appointed attorney. All

18:24

that person is trying to do is make you go

18:26

away. Nah, I'm not saying they're not trying,

18:28

they're not trying to send you to prison, but

18:31

you're just a file to

18:33

them, and they're trying to make that

18:35

file go away and make their case load lighter. And

18:39

for the most part, most court-appointed

18:42

attorneys, they don't give

18:44

a fuck what happens to you. So

18:46

hire somebody. Feel some

18:48

copper. Got

18:50

off some catalytic converters. Like those people are already on

18:52

the payroll of the court anyways, right? Kinda

18:56

sort of. So they don't really, I

18:58

wouldn't say that they're not making

19:00

money making money. But they're nibbling.

19:04

There's also prosecutorial

19:06

misconduct. In some

19:08

cases, prosecutors may

19:10

withhold exculpatory evidence,

19:13

engage in misconduct during trials,

19:16

or use improper tactics to

19:18

secure convictions. There's faulty

19:20

forensic evidence, and DNA and

19:22

forensics, that's come a long way. Forensic

19:25

evidence such as fingerprints, DNA,

19:27

or ballistics analysis can be

19:30

misinterpreted or mishandled leading

19:32

to wrongful convictions. There's

19:36

also ineffective criminal justice policies,

19:38

policies such as mandatory minimum

19:41

sentences, three-strike laws,

19:43

and overly aggressive policing strategies

19:45

can contribute to wrongful convictions

19:48

by incentivizing rushed investigations

19:51

and ignoring exculpatory evidence.

19:54

There's racial and socioeconomic bias,

19:57

minority and low-income individuals are

19:59

disproportionate. affected by wrongful convictions

20:02

due to systemic biases within the criminal

20:04

justice system, inadequate

20:07

post-conviction remedies, even

20:09

after conviction the appeals process may

20:11

be inaccessible or ineffective for those

20:13

seeking to prove their innocence. The

20:16

Innocence Project, you probably all heard of that

20:18

before, it's a pretty, they're

20:21

in the media here and there and they've

20:23

been doing it for a long time. The

20:26

nonprofit organization dedicated

20:28

to exonerating wrongfully convicted

20:30

individuals through DNA testing

20:32

and reforming the criminal

20:35

justice system. They've

20:37

contributed to the exoneration

20:40

of over 375 individuals in the United States since its founding

20:42

in 1992. Wow. That's

20:48

almost 400 guys that

20:52

were facing the death

20:54

sentence, life in prison, years,

20:58

decades behind bars that

21:00

were not guilty of the crimes that

21:03

they were being accused of,

21:05

that were convicted even though they didn't

21:08

do it. Wow. It

21:11

was 400 people and that pales

21:13

in a comparison. It was

21:15

just like a wrong

21:18

place, wrong time. Yeah. That's

21:20

how scary it is and a

21:22

lot of times people that

21:25

are wrongfully convicted are just people

21:29

that are relentlessly

21:31

interrogated. We know

21:33

you did it. Just

21:36

going through the interrogations and they finally say, all right,

21:38

all right, I fucking did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've

21:40

done that with my wife before. You

21:42

see, I know you lied about switching laundry.

21:44

I'll say no, I switched it. Why

21:47

is it still in the washer? Fucking,

21:49

it must have fell back over. I don't

21:51

know. It fucking walked back in. It fucking

21:53

wasn't. You seen a laundry monster dude? You

21:57

ever seen a cum sock come to life before? Get

22:00

me a time to switch the laundry over and just not fucking start

22:02

at the dryer. Wake

22:04

up the next morning and it all smells like fucking

22:06

ass. Dude, she's really sick

22:08

right now. Yeah. Did

22:10

you see her today? I did see her, yeah. Yeah, she's

22:12

really sick. No,

22:16

I really... Any

22:19

time I talk about cleaning the house, we

22:21

get hate mail from

22:24

people to say, oh my god, you're the

22:26

worst fucking husbands ever. Oh, that's sad. I

22:28

know. We really are, we

22:30

are just like, we are really good lovers.

22:32

I'll say that. I

22:35

mean, I clean, but she definitely cleans more than me.

22:38

The thing is, I can tolerate a mess more

22:40

so than what she can. She's

22:43

compulsively clean. I'm

22:46

okay. I'm the opposite. I can't... When

22:49

it gets messy, I'm like, god, fucking damn it, and I'll

22:51

start cleaning up. And then she's like, just stop. Just

22:53

stop. You're not doing it the way

22:56

I like it. And I'm like, okay. There's things

22:58

that I do. I'm the one that takes out

23:00

the trash, I'm the one that does the dishes.

23:02

She does the laundry, and I'll clean the bathrooms.

23:05

We have a good half and half. I'm

23:07

trying to get better at, I

23:10

see it's fucked up, I just do it. No matter

23:12

who normally do this laundry, it

23:14

doesn't matter. If I know it needs done, I just

23:16

do it. That

23:19

makes her happy. Putting the laundry up is what

23:22

I don't like doing. Doing it, folding it,

23:24

I'm not that big of a deal. It's not a big

23:26

deal for me, but putting it up, ooh, hate it. I

23:30

went hard with the laundry today. I

23:32

really went hard doing it. I

23:35

had the two loads today, man, myself. I

23:38

think I did five or six loads. There

23:40

was a lot. But the

23:43

laundry, dude, I hate it.

23:45

I'm just not good at it. I feel like I'm not doing it

23:47

right, even when I do it right. Yeah, I know

23:49

I'm doing it right, but I just don't like

23:51

doing it. We've started having the older kids

23:53

wash their own clothes. The

23:56

12-year-old and the 14-year-old? Yeah. And.

24:00

I Come

24:02

to find there's a there's a quick wash

24:04

setting on the washer. Yes about eight minutes,

24:06

right? And every time I go down to the

24:08

washing machine, it's on quick wash But

24:11

then when I do the laundry it

24:13

stays on the regular wash. Mm-hmm so

24:15

then I said to myself self I

24:17

think these kids are only using the quick wash when they do

24:20

their laundry and That I

24:22

asked them both and they said yeah, cuz

24:24

we don't like waiting. Yeah, I'm like You're

24:27

you're you're kind of putting on dirty ish clothes

24:29

by by doing that. You're not not getting a

24:31

clean You're not giving it the full ride, right?

24:34

And then I would get on reddit some

24:36

other stuff a lot of people only use

24:38

quick wash. They're like, that's insane It's water

24:40

and it swishes around for a little bit.

24:42

It's not like I live in hog slop

24:44

or shit or piss Yeah, they kind of

24:46

I don't know. I'm not gonna do it.

24:48

Yeah Yeah, I

24:50

would think it'd probably a little more energy efficient to

24:53

Exactly, and that's what most of incited. Yes

24:56

save money on my electric bill, right? But I mean if

24:58

you've got a full load of clothes Like that's

25:00

a lot of fucking clothes because I I got

25:02

a top loader doesn't have the agitator in the

25:04

middle so it's big and fucking open but like

25:07

I Feel like that

25:09

just wouldn't do anything with the whole

25:11

load of clothes and towels and all that shit If

25:14

they're comfortable just walk around smell like shit

25:16

and come let them do it man, dude

25:18

Let him be donkeys boys are the fucking

25:20

worst man, dude My

25:22

youngest son getting I practically have to hog time

25:24

and fucking throw his ass in the shower. Really?

25:26

Yeah, it's rough I didn't even care. He walks

25:28

around stinking and like what the fuck that smell.

25:30

He's like so my socks Like

25:33

don't get the fucking shower change your socks, dude. He's like

25:35

in a minute. I'm like, dude, how are you that kid?

25:39

Now Sophie's pretty she's got some fuzzy socks.

25:41

Yeah, and she'll keep them on for three

25:43

or four days. I say look We

25:46

got a fucking talk for a second if you're peeling the fucking

25:48

paint off the wall I got $80 worth

25:50

of Nike socks in there for you and here you

25:52

are walking around in these She

25:56

they're they're disgusting they look

25:58

like hospital socks that were shit in and got

26:00

out of the dumpster. They're fucking gross.

26:03

My kids are the worst. Gotta teach them how to

26:05

be humans, man. Yeah, you do.

26:08

The National Registry of Exonerations,

26:11

a joint project of the University

26:13

of California, Irvine, the

26:15

University of Michigan Law School, and the

26:18

Michigan State University College of Law, maintains

26:21

a database of known

26:23

exonerations in the United States as of January

26:30

of 2022, the registry has documented over

26:33

2,900 exonerations since 1989 only. That's

26:41

2,900 people that

26:44

were wrongfully convicted for shit that they

26:46

did not do. Nuts. Just by happen

26:48

circumstance, wrong place, wrong time,

26:50

and the police said, oh yeah,

26:52

you did it because they're too lazy and stupid to figure

26:54

it out. Yeah. I'll

27:00

say police have a lot more tools at

27:02

their disposal now, which makes them a little

27:04

more successful with their investigations, so good

27:07

for them in that aspect. But back then, back

27:09

in that deep South, baby. Dude, it's crazy, man,

27:12

to think about how easy it

27:14

would have been to get away with this shit back

27:16

in the day and frame somebody else. I know, man.

27:18

It's wild. I definitely would have killed people if I

27:20

went back then. Dude, it's almost like a game.

27:24

You know what I mean? It really is. Somebody just

27:26

fucking pop off at you a little bit and you're just like,

27:28

whoa, you're dead. Yeah. Fucking try me,

27:30

dude. Yeah. You got nothing to

27:32

lose, brother. You're not a bad boy. Yeah.

27:35

Various studies have attempted to estimate the prevalence

27:37

of wrongful convictions. For example, a study published

27:39

in the Proceedings of the National Academy of

27:41

Sciences estimated that between, oh my

27:45

God, estimates that between 2.3% and 5%

27:47

of all US prisoners are innocent. Oh,

27:51

God, that's horrible. That is awful.

27:55

Hold on. That's nuts.

27:57

Little inmates in the USA. Uh,

28:01

US population? 1.2 million? Times

28:06

what? 0.05? Dude,

28:09

I fucking... What's... What's... I

28:17

suck at math, dude. That sucks so bad. What

28:19

is it? 5% of... 1 million. That's

28:25

12... 1.2 million. It's gonna

28:27

be a little more, so it's gonna be like... Oh, is it 1.2?

28:29

Yeah, it's 1.23, technically. There you

28:31

go. So,

28:35

according to these statistics... God damn,

28:38

dude. There's about 60,000 people

28:40

that are incarcerated in America right now.

28:43

Doing hard time. They could be facing

28:45

life, or death sentence. That

28:47

are not. Geez, man. Another

28:51

study published in the same journal suggested that

28:53

at least 4% of defendants sentenced to death.

28:55

There we go. 4%. And

28:58

the US are indeed innocent. And that's gonna be

29:01

even more because you gotta think that the number

29:03

of people that are on death row is

29:06

gonna be a lot less than the number of prisoners. The 4%

29:09

of that number is gonna be even... That's

29:13

so sad. That's crazy. Wrongful convictions

29:16

occur across a range of criminal

29:18

offenses including homicide, sexual assault, robbery,

29:20

and drug offenses. However,

29:22

cases involving serious crimes such as murder

29:25

and sexual assault, they tend to receive

29:28

more attention due to their severity. And

29:30

now I want to cover a few

29:32

cases of wrongful convictions. I'm

29:36

not 1 million percent read up on

29:38

Joe Exotic's situation. I'm about 85% of

29:40

the way there. Okay. He's

29:45

incarcerated for

29:48

a murder to hire plot to kill

29:50

Carole Baskins. Okay. Because

29:53

I thought, that's what I thought before. I did

29:55

see a video not too long ago where he said he was

29:57

in prison just for animal cruelty, for... crimes

30:00

against animals. I thought it was conspiracy for

30:02

murder. He's sentenced to four years for the

30:04

animals. Okay. For the Lucy

30:07

Act or something like that. Yeah, something like

30:10

that. And then he's doing 21

30:12

years, I believe, for the murder-to-hire,

30:14

murder-for-hire plot of Carol Baskin. Carol

30:18

Baskin. Killed

30:20

her husband, whacked him. Now, I

30:22

thought he was kind of coming down off the Carol

30:25

Baskin hate, but I saw he did an

30:27

interview the other day and he said, she ain't

30:29

never selling that for her. That fucking place. Because

30:31

as soon as she sells it, they're bringing in

30:33

cadaver dogs and they're digging up her husband and

30:35

what's left of him. I said, hell yeah, dude.

30:38

Fight the good fight, buddy. Hey, man. Fucking,

30:41

yeah. Stick to your guns, brother. I love it. So

30:44

this duo here,

30:46

their names were Henry McCollum

30:48

and Leon Brown. Henry

30:51

McCollum and Leon Brown were wrongfully

30:53

convicted of the rape and murder

30:56

of an 11-year-old girl, Sabrina

30:58

Bowie, in Red Springs, North

31:00

Carolina, in 1983. McCollum

31:04

was 19 years old at the time and Brown

31:06

was just 15 years old. Both

31:10

of these gentlemen had

31:12

intellectual disabilities. And I

31:14

will say I watched

31:16

interviews with both of them. When

31:23

we say that they have intellectual disabilities.

31:28

These two gents, life

31:32

in general is probably a struggle. These

31:34

guys are in, I can't

31:37

speak to their overall happiness. And

31:41

it would be so

31:43

degrading of me to say these guys on scale from

31:45

one to 10 or something like that. These

31:48

gentlemen, they

31:50

were suffering from developmental

31:52

disabilities. Okay. It

31:55

was evident. Life was fucking hard for them, man.

31:58

And they were, they were... a really

32:01

rough hand in

32:03

this situation is

32:06

fucked up beyond all belief. Both

32:10

had intellectual disabilities, like I said,

32:12

which made them particularly vulnerable to

32:14

coercion and manipulation during police interrogations.

32:18

Both brothers were identified as having

32:20

intellectual disabilities early in life. As

32:23

a child, Henry was placed

32:25

in a school for the educably

32:27

mentally retarded. When he

32:29

was 16 years old, a psychologist at

32:32

Henry's school suggested moving Henry to a

32:34

group home. Henry dropped out

32:36

of high school with a second grade

32:38

reading level, while Leon Brown could barely

32:41

read or write at all. On

32:46

September 23, 1983, 11-year-old Sabrina Bowie left her home in Red Springs. Early

32:52

news reports say that Bowie left her home

32:54

to visit an arcade. Bowie's sister, who was

32:56

for the time of the murder, would

32:58

later claim that the last time

33:00

she saw Bowie was when Bowie

33:03

told her she was going to

33:05

return a bicycle belonging to Leon

33:07

Brown. Her father, Ronnie,

33:09

formally reported her missing after she

33:11

did not return home two days

33:14

later. The

33:20

following day, her body was discovered with

33:22

her clothes removed. She had been raped

33:25

and suffocated with her own underwear. The

33:28

police chief of Red Springs, Luther

33:30

Hagins, described Bowie's murder as one

33:32

of the most brutal murder cases

33:34

I've investigated. The search for

33:37

Bowie lasted two days and involved 20

33:39

police officers. At the crime

33:41

scene, police recovered several pieces of

33:43

physical evidence, including a

33:45

cigarette butt, beer cans, articles

33:48

of Sabrina's blood clothing, blood-stained

33:50

sticks, and a blood-stained board

33:52

of plywood. Authorities recovered

33:54

additional physical evidence in a nearby field

33:56

where police believe the actual murder occurred

33:58

before the crime scene. before Bowie's body was

34:00

moved to the location where it was found. Police

34:03

brought in Henry McCollum for an interview,

34:06

the 19-year-old, because he was one of

34:08

the last people that saw the girl.

34:10

He told police that he saw her riding, that

34:13

he was trying to be helpful and told the police

34:15

that he saw her ride her bike by a store

34:17

that he was at. Right. So

34:19

they brought him in for questioning. The

34:22

day after his initial questioning, a

34:24

17-year-old high school girl

34:27

started, went to the police to

34:29

report rumors that she'd heard at school about,

34:35

you know, he was, in

34:37

school, Henry was kind of made, was

34:39

looked at as an outcast. It

34:42

was kind of like the neighborhood freak, because

34:44

he had the developmental deficiency. Yeah.

34:48

And he had a lot of problems, social

34:51

problems, and he just, his mannerisms,

34:53

he was different. So

34:55

immediately there were rumors about, oh, it

34:57

was that guy, because he's that way.

34:59

We know it was him. Yeah. These

35:03

were rumors. But this 17-year-old girl

35:05

went to the police and said, oh, I'm hearing rumors

35:07

that it was this guy, because he's fucking weird, which

35:10

is fucked up. She recanted this

35:12

several days later. Okay.

35:15

But nonetheless, these rumors were enough for the

35:17

police to bring Henry in for

35:20

a more intense interrogation. Mm-hmm.

35:23

So from this point, yeah. Yeah.

35:28

Like I said, four

35:30

days later, the high schooler, the girl, she

35:33

claimed, she finally told the police that she

35:35

did indeed fabricate what she had said. The

35:38

rumors were enough to re-interview

35:40

Henry McCollum. McCollum

35:42

then underwent an hour-long interrogation

35:44

during which the police told

35:47

him that a witness placed

35:49

him at the crime scene, which was not true.

35:51

They also used racial slurs towards

35:54

Henry and assured him, assured

35:56

him, someone who's Out

36:00

of his element, away from home, just wants to not

36:03

be in that situation. They assured

36:05

them that if he signed a form

36:07

waving his Miranda rights and

36:10

confessed that he could leave. At

36:13

that point, Henry did not have an attorney

36:15

present during the interrogation. After

36:17

being promised his freedom upon confessing,

36:20

Henry signed a false confession to

36:22

the crime wherein he repeated the

36:26

exact same incriminating accusations that

36:28

the police used to extract

36:30

his confession from him. So

36:33

the police gave, this is what we think you

36:35

did. We thought you were here. We

36:37

know you were here. We think this

36:40

is what you did. The

36:42

part of his confession, he just repeated

36:44

everything the police told him he did. He

36:49

was just, okay, yeah, let's put it down

36:51

so I can get out of here. He thought that if

36:53

he just said these things, he just put it

36:55

on paper, that they were going to let

36:57

him go home. Mind you, he has the mind of a second

36:59

grader. He

37:03

doesn't under, he can't grasp the

37:05

situation. The police

37:07

didn't care. Henry

37:09

also claimed to have committed the gang rape

37:11

and murder of Bowie

37:13

with four other teenage boys in

37:16

the area, including then 15-year-old Leon

37:18

Brown. Police threatened the

37:20

15-year-old, they brought the 15-year-old in with

37:22

his mother. At that point,

37:25

they threatened him with a gas chamber

37:27

if he did not waive his Miranda

37:29

rights. Henry's

37:32

interrogation, the older one,

37:35

it ended at 2.30 a.m., after

37:38

which Henry started to walk out of

37:40

the police station. When authorities

37:42

asked him where he was going, he said

37:45

to the police, told him he could

37:47

leave when the interview was over. He

37:49

asked, can I go home now? He

37:52

was then arrested. Both

37:55

Henry McCollum and

37:58

Leon Brown were arrested. arrested

38:00

and charged for the murder

38:02

of Tabrina Bowie. Those

38:05

other two boys that were alleged to

38:07

be part of the gang rape, they didn't exist. They

38:11

never found them, so the cops were like, yeah we can't find

38:13

those other two kids. We're gonna

38:15

nail these two guys to the wall. Crazy. After

38:19

two trials, they

38:21

were both sentenced to death. Leon

38:23

Brown was the youngest person to ever be

38:26

sentenced to death in North Carolina. Around

38:28

2010, so this is like 30

38:33

years later, this is about 30 years later,

38:38

a fellow inmate, these guys are still

38:41

in prison at this point, suggested

38:43

to Leon Brown that he

38:45

request help from the North Carolina Innocence

38:47

Inquiry Commission. Leon Brown's

38:49

disabilities prevented him from filing out

38:52

the Commission's form himself, so

38:55

another inmate had to fill it out for him. The

38:57

Commission agreed to look at Brown's case in

38:59

2010 and requested

39:02

a comparison of the DNA

39:04

evidence collected at Bowie's crime scene to

39:06

other profiles in the state police

39:09

database. You'll recall that there

39:11

was a beer can, cigarettes,

39:14

blood, there was a lot of things, a lot

39:16

going on. This

39:19

DNA testing confirmed a match

39:22

with Roscoe Artis who

39:25

was a

39:27

convicted rapist and I

39:30

don't know if he was a serial killer, but

39:32

a convicted murderer at this point who had already

39:34

been incarcerated and after he

39:38

was incarcerated way

39:40

after the fact of the Sabrina Bowie murder.

39:43

But his DNA was all over the

39:45

things of the crime scene, not Leon

39:48

Brown and not Henry McCollum. This

39:51

DNA testing confirmed a match with

39:53

Roscoe Artis. The Innocence Inquiry Commission

39:55

spent another four years investigating the

39:57

case, analyzing physical evidence.

40:00

evidence in interviewing artists and other

40:02

inmates and came to the conclusion

40:04

that the Red Springs Police Department

40:07

had a sculptatory evidence all along

40:09

and deliberately withheld it from McCollum's

40:12

and Brown's defense teams. The

40:14

Innocence Inquiry Commission also requested that

40:17

the DNA profile from boxes of

40:19

evidence collected from Bowie's murder be

40:21

put through the Combined DNA Index

40:23

System, also known as CODIS, the

40:26

United States National DNA Database. In

40:29

July of 2014, the testing

40:32

returned yet another positive

40:34

match to Roscoe Artis.

40:37

It was after this test

40:40

that McCollum and Brown's attorneys

40:43

unearthed Artemis's history of

40:45

sexual assaults. At

40:47

this point, Henry

40:50

McCollum and Leon Brown were

40:52

exonerated and won a settlement

40:55

for $75 million

40:57

after 31 years in prison. 31

41:03

years, dude. I

41:07

might be able to find a little clip of...

41:11

There was a really good clip on it. Okay.

41:19

That's

41:26

not even how you spell that shit. All

41:28

right, I gotta find this real quick. We can pause this. We're not

41:30

on YouTube. Yeah, yeah. All right,

41:33

we found a play real quick. I'll give credits

41:35

to CBS Evening News. Brothers

41:38

were released from prison after serving 31

41:41

years for a crime they did not commit.

41:44

One of them had been on death row. Michelle

41:46

Miller tells us science set them

41:48

free. Here,

41:51

you tell me what you want to do. Leon

41:54

Brown was 15 when he

41:56

was arrested. I fought this battle to the

41:58

help of God. I'm here to date. Henry

42:01

McCollum was 20 when he was

42:03

sentenced to death. They took

42:06

30 years away from me for no reason, but

42:08

I don't have any. His first lesson in

42:10

freedom was how to buckle his seat belt

42:13

before driving off from prison. You pull

42:15

it down like that. The

42:17

half brothers were convicted for the

42:19

rape and murder of 11-year-old Sabrina Bowie.

42:21

The child was found dead in a

42:24

soybean field with her underwear stuffed down

42:26

her throat. Brown and McCollum

42:28

signed a confession written by police

42:31

after hours of questioning. Why

42:33

did police zero in on them? Basically,

42:35

it started with a rumor at school.

42:37

And Kirby is Leon Brown's attorney. What

42:39

went wrong here? Well, there were so

42:41

many things that went wrong. Number one,

42:43

no physical evidence tying either Leon or

42:46

Henry to the crime, and basically

42:48

the police stopped after the confession.

42:50

The North Carolina Innocence Inquiry Commission

42:52

picked up the case, and two months

42:54

ago, linked DNA evidence on a beer

42:57

can and a cigarette, but founded the

42:59

crime scene to another convicted murderer and

43:01

rapist. He lived close by.

43:05

Yesterday, a judge threw out Brown

43:07

and McCollum's conviction. The men

43:09

who were described as mentally challenged still

43:11

had to spend one more night

43:13

in jail, but there was no

43:15

containing the joy of McCollum's stepmother,

43:18

Priscilla. Our prayers are out for the Sabrina

43:20

Bowie family. We are praying for them, and

43:23

we are so glad that justice was served,

43:25

and the truth finally came forth. Today,

43:29

the district attorney said he will reopen this case

43:32

and look at that new evidence in

43:35

determining whether or not to charge

43:37

Roscoe Artis, the man linked to

43:40

that DNA evidence. Scott,

43:42

he's already serving a life sentence

43:44

in prison. Michelle Miller. Who

43:47

could have fucking put that charge on him too, though?

43:50

I don't know. It's kind of a waste of

43:52

resources at that point. He's never eaten out of prison.

43:54

Yeah. It

43:57

would just be a waste of resources. I

43:59

guess. Hopefully,

44:02

I mean, the

44:04

most important part are the people that were wrongfully convicted of

44:06

it. Yeah, I'm glad that

44:08

they...it sucks that it was 30 fucking

44:11

years, but I mean, like...I don't

44:14

want to say better late than never, but I mean,

44:16

still, it sucks that it took that long. Yeah, it's

44:18

bad. For evidence, they pretty much had. You

44:21

ever tried to break a bad habit? If you

44:23

like your climbing Mount Everest in a pair of

44:25

flip-flops, going absolutely nowhere.

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much better. It's bad

46:04

stuff, man. I don't

46:06

know how... Crazy.

46:10

And this happens so much more

46:12

often. I know I sure

46:14

as fuck wouldn't have been that forgiving about it. I don't

46:18

believe... I hate to say this but

46:20

I don't think they... much

46:24

like you and I have talked before. One of...

46:29

a lot of people with developmental disabilities...

46:33

they're the sweetest, most loving souls...

46:37

for sure, for sure. ...that have ever walked this earth.

46:40

And I think these two guys are no exception there.

46:42

I think there's no hate in their heart. I think

46:44

from the very beginning they just want to be left

46:46

alone and kind of just

46:49

stop, just leave me alone. You're making

46:51

me uncomfortable. And they're willing to do

46:53

whatever it took to get out of

46:56

that situation. Unfortunately, the deal they made

46:58

to get out of that situation is the deal to

47:00

put them behind bars for their their entire adult lives.

47:02

I'm glad they got the help that they needed to

47:04

get them the fuck out of there for something they

47:06

didn't do. 75 million dollars.

47:08

Good for them, man. For 30 years. 31

47:11

years. Still. And

47:13

something like they said at the

47:15

end of the video, something to

47:18

do with the paperwork. The

47:20

case was dismissed or whatever, overturned,

47:23

and they still had to spend one more night in prison

47:25

due to a... That's

47:27

wild. And I saw some

47:29

forums where people said that there

47:32

was no excuse for them to spend that

47:34

additional night. That additional night was

47:36

a fuck you from the state,

47:38

from all the people involved to say, you

47:41

know, we don't think we're wrong. Right. But

47:44

we still... we're still the big dick

47:46

here. Yeah. Which is not the... I think it

47:48

should have been more than 75 million dollars. Yeah,

47:50

for sure. I think it should have been that

47:52

long. I think you should have added one in

47:54

front of that. Didn't... I think it

47:56

would make a little more sense. Another

47:59

case... of something similar

48:02

was a case known as the

48:04

exonerated five. It's a well-known example

48:06

of wrongful convictions of

48:09

wrongful conviction. I'm sorry. The group

48:12

was composed of five teenagers, Antron

48:14

McCray, Kevin Richardson, Yusef Salaam,

48:16

Raymond Santana, and Corey Wise.

48:19

The five were accused

48:21

of beating along, yeah,

48:25

beating and raping a white female

48:27

jogger in Central Park. It took

48:29

place in 1989. Excuse me. The

48:31

boys aged between 14 and 16

48:33

at the time were

48:36

coerced into making false confessions. They

48:38

later revealed that they had been

48:40

identified and lied to by the

48:42

police. In 2002, Matias Reyes,

48:46

a convicted serial rapist and murderer,

48:48

confessed to the crime. These

48:51

guys, there was no like evidence to overturn

48:53

it all. Yeah. There was no like, okay,

48:55

we have an out here. They

48:57

were simply let off the hook because

49:01

a serial

49:03

rapist on his deathbed confessed. Confessed

49:06

to the crime. His DNA matched the

49:08

evidence from the crime scene and the

49:10

five men were acquitted. Following

49:12

their release, they sued New York City for

49:15

wrongful conviction along with violation of their civil

49:17

rights. They won 41

49:19

million dollars in a settlement in 2014. Today, members

49:21

of the exonerated five

49:25

continue to advocate for

49:27

justice reform. Another

49:29

one in 1984, then 19 year

49:32

old Daryl Hunt was arrested and convicted of the

49:34

rape and murder of Deborah Sykes on

49:36

the outskirts of Winston-Salem, North Carolina.

49:39

Hunt's girlfriend provided an alibi,

49:42

but that was nothing for the police. When

49:45

she was arrested on outstanding larceny

49:47

charges, she later told

49:49

police that she had confessed

49:51

to killing her, that he had confessed

49:54

to killing her. Despite

49:56

recanting this false information before the

49:58

trial. The

50:03

prosecution used it anyway, ultimately securing

50:05

a conviction. On appeal, the

50:07

conviction was overturned due to the wrongful

50:09

admission of the interrogation. Upon

50:12

retrial, Hunt was offered a sentence of

50:14

time served if he would

50:16

admit guilt. Maintaining

50:18

his innocence, he was retried

50:20

and convicted again to life in

50:23

prison. Jeez. However,

50:25

in 1994, Hunt's legal team filed

50:27

for DNA testing. The

50:29

sample from the victim's body did not match

50:32

Hunt's DNA. Unfortunately, Hunt's appeal

50:34

would be denied for 10 years

50:36

under the claims that the new

50:38

evidence did not prove innocence. Finally

50:40

in 2004... What? Yeah,

50:43

man. That's crazy. 19

50:47

years after being wrongfully convicted and 10

50:49

years after DNA proved it, that

50:52

same DNA profile matched another

50:54

convicted murderer who later confessed

50:56

to the crime. Hunt

50:59

was set free in 2005 and went

51:01

on to found the Daryl Hunt Project

51:03

for Freedom and Justice. Just

51:08

one quick nugget. Also, the person

51:10

who spent the longest time in

51:12

prison before being exonerated was Glenn

51:16

Simmons. He was wrongfully

51:18

imprisoned for 48 years, one

51:20

month, and 18 days for murder. This

51:24

makes him the longest incarcerated person

51:26

in the US to be exonerated

51:29

and forgiven. That's insane, man. Wow.

51:33

Isn't that... That's nuts. Fucking

51:35

profound. It's sad, dude. It's sad.

51:38

It's so sad that people just have their hands cut

51:40

off when it comes to this

51:43

justice system that's supposed to work for us and

51:45

work for the people. I

51:47

really applaud the

51:50

progress we've made with DNA because

51:53

that's brought the justice a lot

51:57

of governments who were... Wrongfully

52:00

convicted individuals if that last one

52:03

it fucking matters. Yeah wild man I

52:08

don't know how much worse it gets in that shit

52:10

right there That's fucking suck that's that is it There's

52:13

something that I never think about like when so I

52:15

asked like shit that I'm afraid of that's fucking terrifying

52:18

imagine just Running

52:21

the gas station. Oh front gas station full

52:23

got parked on the side Yeah, you got

52:25

your car and someone's and

52:28

all a lady walks by And

52:30

someone fucking walks up and crams a knife in

52:32

her side drops it and runs away. Mm-hmm. You're

52:35

just standing there Please

52:38

say Then you say

52:40

I saw everything But then they

52:42

get suspicious because you know everything you know

52:44

all the details. It's crazy all

52:46

the intricacies of this crime Oh,

52:49

we gotta look closer to this guy. No, I don't

52:51

like it next thing You know you're serving life in

52:53

prison for some shit. You went

52:55

to get cough drops at 2 a.m. Cuz

52:57

your wife's sick Yeah They

53:00

try to charge you for shanking somebody that's what when she

53:02

tells me to go to store in the middle of nice

53:04

I know I'm not getting caught up. Yeah, I'm not getting

53:06

caught up and I'm

53:09

not doing it. I don't care if you

53:11

need your anti-diarrheal medicine. Don't care She's she's

53:13

getting a bad shit the coffee cup shit

53:15

on my head some people like that not

53:17

me you

53:19

know I was thinking a lot of people like to do

53:21

that thing where they There's

53:23

people like being shit on mm-hmm And there's people

53:25

that like to put plexiglass or glass on their

53:27

face Yeah, yeah, and just shit on but not

53:29

the shit touch their face Yeah, I'm had a

53:31

friend who hadn't knew had friends that did that

53:35

Was his name Nick Alexander He

53:38

just used to tell me like how He

53:41

would talk about he would he had this glass table in their

53:43

living room and he would lay under it and she would stand

53:45

I'm a bit shit on to it Again,

53:48

no, thanks, buddy Remind

53:50

me not to eat off of that table my

53:52

kid. There's thank you poopers Every

53:56

time I think about women's poop not stink and I think about

53:58

my kids and I realize that women do have Thank you, Poop.

54:02

Yeah, man. My wife and I have

54:04

been together for going on 20 years. I

54:09

still don't know what she does in the bathroom. No idea. I

54:11

don't really, yeah, I don't really wanna know what's going on in

54:13

here. It's not that I wanna know or I don't wanna know.

54:16

She goes through some steps

54:19

to make sure, she'll

54:23

wait it out, she'll wait in there, she'll

54:25

turn the shower on in both sinks, oh yeah,

54:27

run all the water at once. Drown

54:30

it out. I don't know if she's trying

54:32

to drown it out or if she just likes, you know, shitting

54:35

in the bathroom full of hot steam with a different

54:37

kind of intensity. She likes to

54:39

punish herself. Yeah, I don't know if she's trying to ride the dragon.

54:42

Yeah. But

54:47

in my heyday when I was, you know, doing white

54:50

castles every day and living

54:54

on the edge. Fucking Waffle House, Chili,

54:56

and Skyline. I would pick

54:58

some pretty aggressive BMs. Yeah,

55:02

man. Never to the point though that I

55:04

felt like I needed to turn on. Steam

55:07

it. Never

55:09

to the point that I think, ah, I

55:11

better drown this noise out. I

55:15

gotta fucking drown this gator. Put some fucking Bose

55:17

noise cancelers on everybody. I don't want you guys

55:19

to hear me. Yeah, jeez,

55:21

dude. Now I wonder about my

55:23

wife is, yeah. I

55:25

can imagine taking a steamy shit. I

55:28

don't like it. I don't, yeah. Well, farting in

55:30

the shower, man. Yeah. That's

55:32

a different kind of stink. Yeah. That

55:35

fart can fucking climb up the wall like a

55:37

black widow and slap you in the face. That's

55:41

a dangerous word. Yeah, dude, yeah. That's the work of

55:43

Satan right there. You're putting your life in God's hands

55:45

at that point. Yeah,

55:48

dude. Farts in the shower and farts in gym

55:50

shorts are just, really

55:52

different. Dude, I had, I was

55:54

near disaster last night. My gym shorts. I

55:57

don't know why, man. I'm meeting different. Like

56:00

whenever I veer off from that, dude,

56:02

it's fucking gas like crazy. And

56:04

this morning, I swear, I almost shit my pants.

56:07

That's the closest I've gotten. Well,

56:09

you really dial it in, and you're to

56:11

the point where your body's not even producing a whole lot

56:14

of waste. Yeah. That you're absorbing most

56:16

of what you're eating, and then you're

56:18

not shitting for three or four, five days at a

56:20

time. Ah, yeah, see, yeah, mom, yeah. That's where I'm

56:22

at right now, and it is terrifying. Taking in a

56:24

lot of protein and fiber, so I mean, I'm doing

56:28

good BM, so I'm

56:30

RM. Oh, yeah. Just it gets gassy, man. Yeah.

56:33

Powerful stuff, man. I'm flasheling. It's the devil,

56:35

it's God working in your life. I kind

56:37

of enjoy it, because it lets me know

56:39

that I'm still a man, because before I'm

56:41

not really a fart-er. I am.

56:44

You know, I know you are. Power bottom. You proved

56:46

that earlier. I don't know. Maybe you

56:48

guys can go back and find it. Yeah. See

56:50

if you can find the secret fart. Yeah, well, let us know

56:52

the time stamp on that. All

56:55

right, now without much further ado, a

56:59

few minutes away from hooking up with the Tiger King,

57:01

Joe Exotic, and if you don't know much about... Boy,

57:04

are we gonna hook up with him? Joe Exotic, let

57:06

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57:08

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57:10

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57:13

Maldonado. He's a

57:15

mugshot. I love it. Known professionally

57:17

as Joe Exotic, a nickname of Tiger

57:20

King, as American media personality, businessman, and

57:22

convicted felon who operated the greater

57:24

Wynwood Exotic Animal Park, known as

57:27

the GW Zoo Tiger King

57:29

Park, and formerly the

57:31

Gerald Wayne Exotic Animal Memorial Park

57:34

in Wynwood, Oklahoma. He

57:36

rose to fame during COVID, when we

57:39

were all locked up inside, and

57:41

Tiger King. So

57:44

I'm gonna say this. I think that,

57:46

and I was telling a lot of people about this, I

57:49

think that this was the

57:52

perfect storm TV show for COVID.

57:55

TV show for COVID. One million percent. I don't

57:57

think that if it was to come out today...

58:00

Think it would have been popular but not like

58:02

it was like this thing reached heights that sensational

58:04

It was yeah, it was this and it was

58:07

squid games man It was like nothing anything anybody

58:09

could talk about because I think we were so

58:11

like there was nothing on TV They're

58:13

bored. It was going on. They couldn't film anything You

58:16

couldn't see live sports and it was like

58:18

something that was just so captivating and crazy

58:20

of a story It was there's

58:22

so many layers to the story, you know, it's it's

58:26

Awesome TV, you know whether or not you stand what

58:28

side of the fence you're sitting on this it's Awesome,

58:32

it was captivating tell absolutely captivating.

58:34

Yes. I loved it.

58:36

Yeah, I ate up every second

58:39

of it I love the fucking

58:41

chaos. Yeah, I loved his shenanigans.

58:43

I loved everything about it I

58:45

just I love it's entertainment pure

58:47

entertainment pure entertainment and

58:49

then You know the craziest

58:51

part about all this This dude

58:54

got locked up well before yeah, he didn't even

58:56

came out. He didn't get to see it He

58:58

got locked up. He has no idea how famous

59:00

he is. Yeah, I'm sure he does

59:02

I'm sure he's getting you know, he's gotten the

59:04

taste from you know, the past several years but

59:08

Like when it came out do there

59:10

was You'd

59:14

be hard-pressed to find somebody who didn't know who he was

59:17

overnight overnight Trying

59:19

to think when he was actually I

59:23

think whenever he was actually So,

59:29

I think he was arrested around 2018

59:32

okay, he was Convicted in 2019.

59:34

Okay, Tiger King came out on a 21. I your king

59:36

came out March 20th 2020. Okay, okay and He

59:43

never talked of that's crazy and be a part

59:45

of it Yeah, can you imagine if everything would

59:47

have went the way that you know, he was

59:50

going how big his perk would have been Not

59:53

only has his him

59:55

and by himself like it could

59:58

be a traveling megastar mega

1:00:01

star. The cool thing is

1:00:03

we're still in a

1:00:05

window that if

1:00:07

things fall in his place, fall

1:00:10

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1:00:12

capitalize on this. Yeah, absolutely.

1:00:14

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1:00:17

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1:01:57

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never seen that before that's weird

1:02:25

Wish I mean

1:02:27

you're not missing out. We're pretty fucking ugly That

1:02:33

is weird I can see it now. Yeah, I see it over there on

1:02:35

this on the side. Yeah There's

1:02:43

gotta be you know your settings

1:02:46

I have a good I got maybe it's

1:02:49

the software. We're using or something. I don't I

1:02:51

don't know well You can see you fine I

1:02:53

don't know if you if you if

1:02:55

you still want to do the interview or not without

1:02:57

seeing us, but Yeah,

1:03:01

well, I'll introduce ourselves. I'm

1:03:03

we're the bro. Hi Oh podcast and

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The bro. Hi Oh podcast. So we're To

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bros from Ohio Lock

1:03:23

up right now. You're not in prison. Yeah, buddy I

1:03:30

can't go take my medicine. You're good man any

1:03:32

time any time Yeah,

1:03:37

we're we're in Vandalia, which is

1:03:40

just a little north of Cincinnati

1:03:42

which is we're in Dayton essentially

1:03:46

Yeah, but I do want to say

1:03:48

thank you for taking the time to

1:03:50

talk to us Joe Hey, I appreciate

1:03:53

you giving me a voice and a

1:03:55

platform. Hell yeah, absolutely absolutely and again.

1:03:57

My name's Nick I'm here with my

1:03:59

partner Yes, sir. And we're- You're

1:04:02

both naked. That's why you've got this

1:04:04

black down. We're

1:04:06

fucking hooked up like dogs right now out in the yard.

1:04:10

I'm missing

1:04:12

out on this freeway. This is no fun. Yeah,

1:04:16

you know, in Dayton, though, a

1:04:18

three-way is something different. That's spaghetti,

1:04:21

chili, and cheese. That's it. Okay.

1:04:24

All right. In

1:04:27

my world, it's meth tigers and other

1:04:29

things. I'm

1:04:32

not against either version either. Hell,

1:04:35

yeah. Well,

1:04:38

Joe, I got a few- We got

1:04:40

some questions here, man, for you. So

1:04:42

hopefully, again, we're two kind of free-spirited,

1:04:44

goofy fuckers, and you got the

1:04:47

whole back on our show. So feel free

1:04:50

to let her rip, man. Hey,

1:04:52

ask anything. Yeah, we're-

1:04:55

Let me know when he's ready. Okay.

1:04:58

Ask. Ask. Ask.

1:05:01

I made a thing. Yeah,

1:05:03

so I guess you got locked up

1:05:05

before the Tiger

1:05:08

King shit all- before all that stuff kind of

1:05:10

came out. Okay. A

1:05:12

lot of people are misunderstanding, okay?

1:05:15

I got locked up in September of 2018. Yeah.

1:05:21

And I didn't film for Tiger King, all right? Right. They

1:05:25

concocted this agenda

1:05:27

and got me locked up, and then

1:05:30

Netflix took advantage of the situation, and

1:05:33

they exploited it by paying the

1:05:36

government witnesses to make this movie,

1:05:38

okay? Yeah. And

1:05:42

if you look at the

1:05:46

videos that are on

1:05:48

joeexotictv.net and

1:05:51

joeexoticofficial.com, we

1:05:53

have evidence videos now,

1:05:55

recordings of the producers

1:05:57

of Netflix paying them. My

1:06:00

trial I checked I did check out the

1:06:02

website today. There's a plethora of like you

1:06:04

said evidence kind of Showing

1:06:07

the showing the fact that you're wrongfully

1:06:09

convicted and you're in the wrong place

1:06:12

For the wrong fucking shit man, so I would

1:06:14

I would encourage I would encourage everybody to check

1:06:16

out that website It's

1:06:22

kind of it's it's I mean it's not laughable, but it

1:06:24

just kind of like throw your hands up and this I

1:06:27

mean this Specific episode of the podcast we're

1:06:29

talking about wrongful convictions and

1:06:32

it was a perfect opportunity to touch base with

1:06:34

you and kind of go through your

1:06:36

situation and just you know the Statistics

1:06:38

show that about five

1:06:40

percent of the US the incarcerated

1:06:43

US population are in prison

1:06:46

wrongfully wrongfully convicted and I think America

1:06:52

the feds are so proud of that 98% conviction

1:06:55

rate. Okay but

1:06:58

really In in

1:07:00

just the federal system. There's a hundred

1:07:03

and approximately 165,000

1:07:05

people in federal prison today And

1:07:09

I would say 30,000 of them are in here

1:07:11

wrong because

1:07:15

And you'd have to be in here to understand

1:07:17

it Okay, the feds

1:07:19

are arresting people and convicting

1:07:21

people on the RICO Act,

1:07:23

which is Conspiracy and

1:07:26

they convict you on hearsay So

1:07:29

there's people in here that are serving long

1:07:31

sentences for drug crimes. They never even got

1:07:34

caught with drugs, dude And

1:07:37

if you were in a state case that

1:07:39

wouldn't happen You know you can you can

1:07:41

convict on hearsay but the

1:07:43

reason why is is because the

1:07:46

Bushes are making money on on

1:07:48

the The

1:07:52

Sin core that the unicorn of

1:07:55

us working for five dollars and twenty five cents

1:07:57

a month making

1:08:00

money on all of the key feed products

1:08:02

that are sold on the commentary. Now they're

1:08:04

the ones who, who come up with the

1:08:07

tablets for, for federal prisons.

1:08:09

They're selling for 130 bucks a piece.

1:08:12

And then Bob Barker is making money on

1:08:14

everything else to toothpaste, toothbrush, the uniforms and

1:08:16

the shoes and all of that shit. So

1:08:20

it's a profitable business for certain

1:08:22

politicians, especially

1:08:25

Republicans. That's a fuck that fucked up all the

1:08:27

way around. Yeah.

1:08:29

Yeah. It's just, it's just corrupt,

1:08:31

but you know, Trump's

1:08:33

getting a taste of it. So, you know,

1:08:35

if he wins, let's hope that he'll

1:08:37

fix it this time because he got soft on

1:08:39

us last time. I mean, I was fucking waiting

1:08:42

on baited breath on the very, on the last

1:08:44

day when he was leaving office, I'm

1:08:46

like, just, just free my God, Joe exotic. I

1:08:48

didn't care what the fuck else he did. I

1:08:50

said, just free my God, Joe. And it never

1:08:52

came down. And you know what? I

1:08:55

didn't care anything about what Donald Trump had done before. I

1:08:57

said, fuck that guy. He didn't free Joe exotic. I don't

1:08:59

care what the fuck he does. It's

1:09:01

amazing how many people feel that way.

1:09:03

And, and like I've told him on,

1:09:05

I don't know how many interviews, I'm

1:09:07

sure he's heard me say it, if,

1:09:10

if he would have pardoned me six months

1:09:12

before the election, uh, he

1:09:15

would not have needed to call Georgia for

1:09:17

those votes. He would have gotten so many

1:09:20

people to vote for him that just come

1:09:22

out of the woodwork that, you know, we

1:09:24

had no interest. And as

1:09:26

bad as everybody hates Biden right now.

1:09:29

Biden would probably get a whole lot more

1:09:31

votes if he'd wait before the election. I

1:09:35

changed his fucking diaper. If he, if he lets you out

1:09:37

of prison, Joe, that's

1:09:40

the way the rest of America feels

1:09:42

too, because, but you

1:09:44

know, how do you get a message like that to

1:09:46

the white house? Somebody needs to poke him in the rib

1:09:48

cage and say, Hey, look, dude, you want to win this

1:09:51

election? Hands up. You need to,

1:09:53

you need to make this man's case. Right. Free Joe.

1:09:55

And that was like, that kind of goes

1:09:57

into my neck. The next thing I wanted to tell

1:09:59

you. Man, yeah hashtag free jokes

1:10:02

out man. Yeah hashtag free

1:10:04

Joe exotic But you're a

1:10:06

fucking cultural icon and

1:10:08

this all is all sailed under

1:10:10

you And I I'm interested to know

1:10:12

at what point when you were

1:10:14

locked up Did you start to find like hey, this

1:10:16

is blowing up out there. When did it when did

1:10:18

I start? And

1:10:27

Netflix came out in

1:10:29

March the 19th of

1:10:31

2020 and I was still

1:10:33

in solitary confinement They

1:10:36

killed me without bond. They held me in solitary.

1:10:38

So I couldn't help fight my case. I couldn't

1:10:41

hire lawyers or anything That's how they beat me

1:10:43

Okay And then my first day in prison

1:10:46

on March the 25th of 2020 after

1:10:48

Tiger King came out for the next 11 months The

1:10:51

feds kept me in solitary confinement. So

1:10:53

I've been in solitary confinement Almost

1:10:55

three years. Oh Yeah,

1:10:58

yeah You

1:11:03

know all of the shit show with the big Bosters

1:11:06

at Trump part and Joe exotic

1:11:08

and the limos and the airplanes I

1:11:10

had nothing to do with that that

1:11:13

was strictly a team of people out

1:11:15

there Doing nothing but trying

1:11:17

to make a name for themselves and get

1:11:19

in Tiger King to Joe

1:11:21

had absolutely nothing to do with that. All

1:11:24

right, so my first my

1:11:26

first Knowledge

1:11:30

of even what happened was

1:11:33

when I got out of solitary confinement at

1:11:37

the feds in December of

1:11:39

2020 Fuck

1:11:42

they brought me my melon Walmart bags It

1:11:48

was crazy insane. Okay, so, you

1:11:50

know, I probably had over 75,000

1:11:53

people write me and I've answered every one

1:11:55

of them. Yeah, but I

1:11:58

never really saw the

1:12:00

outside part of the world until

1:12:02

I went to Butner, North Carolina

1:12:04

to get treated for cancer. And

1:12:07

then when I got done and came

1:12:09

back on the

1:12:11

drive, they brought me from the airport

1:12:14

in Oklahoma City down to

1:12:16

the prison in Fort Worth in an unmarked

1:12:18

police car. And I was

1:12:20

sitting in the back and they didn't have my hands,

1:12:22

you know, handcuffed like they normally

1:12:24

do. And I was just sitting in

1:12:26

the back of this unmarked police car going

1:12:29

to Fort Worth from Oklahoma City. And

1:12:32

one out of every three cars, no

1:12:34

lie, would pass us and then slow

1:12:36

down and take a picture. Really? It

1:12:40

was like this many people, and it didn't matter if

1:12:42

they were 19 or 80, recognized who I was. And

1:12:47

that was my first real

1:12:49

impression of how many people

1:12:51

around this world know who I am. Joe, we

1:12:53

were locked up inside. We were

1:12:56

bonding together as a family. You brought

1:12:58

people together at one of

1:13:01

the darkest, most isolated times in human history.

1:13:03

And the fact that you were fucking locked

1:13:05

up through all that shit, that

1:13:08

brings me tears, man. It was one of

1:13:10

those things that was really weird. I think

1:13:12

it was this thing

1:13:14

hit so hard. And I mean,

1:13:16

even if you were painted this

1:13:19

way or that way, like the cultural

1:13:21

impact that it had on everybody

1:13:23

during this crazy time is so

1:13:25

vast. And so anytime you can

1:13:27

be a fucking Halloween costume for

1:13:29

a year, I

1:13:31

mean, that's fucking crazy. They're still dressing

1:13:34

up for me this last year. I

1:13:36

know. I know. I know. I asked

1:13:38

four years later. But you know, I

1:13:41

every interview that I do too, I

1:13:43

remind everybody to please just remember, I

1:13:45

appreciate you saying that I got you

1:13:47

through COVID and all of that. But remember,

1:13:49

this is my real life. This

1:13:52

is really happening to me. And

1:13:55

I'm not just a TV fictional

1:13:57

character. My parents died during this.

1:14:00

I lost everything. And I

1:14:03

just need you, every time Biden puts

1:14:05

a post on the internet anywhere, put

1:14:08

free Joe Exotic in the comments. Because

1:14:10

the more people he sees that are

1:14:12

upset about this, the more we're going

1:14:15

to get the White House's attention. I

1:14:17

just wish I had a husband

1:14:19

like Brittany Greiner had a wife to get on

1:14:21

TV and call out the White House. I

1:14:25

would be home in a month if

1:14:28

I had a husband that would get on TV and

1:14:30

say, oh, bring my husband home. I

1:14:33

volunteer as tribute, Joe. I've got a wife

1:14:35

and three beautiful daughters, but I will play

1:14:37

gay for... I'll do it,

1:14:39

man. I got this for you. We have a

1:14:41

very dedicated army of people, and I feel like

1:14:44

we could definitely get this done. Dude,

1:14:46

I mean seriously, look,

1:14:50

Brittany Greiner, if people want to

1:14:52

bitch about Russia, especially the White

1:14:54

House, they need to pull their head out

1:14:56

of their ass, okay? Anytime you have ever seen Brittany

1:14:58

Greiner, Paul Whelan, or Trevor Reed on

1:15:00

TV in Russia, they were always in

1:15:03

their street clothes. They were never

1:15:05

shackled at the ankles. They were never belly

1:15:07

chained. They were treated with respect in

1:15:09

the courtroom. In America, we're

1:15:11

chained up like monkeys in an orange suit to

1:15:13

make it look guilty. From the minute we walk

1:15:16

in the courtroom. It's true, man. Okay,

1:15:18

and that lady flew

1:15:21

over there. She got arrested.

1:15:23

She got charged. She got

1:15:25

sent... She went through a

1:15:27

trial. She got sentenced. She

1:15:29

appealed everything in 10 months,

1:15:31

and I'm going on seven

1:15:33

fucking years to get a new trial. Yeah,

1:15:36

it's fucked up. There's

1:15:39

no... I wish I knew

1:15:41

more about the justice system, but I do

1:15:43

encourage everyone, hashtag FreeJoeExotic, to

1:15:45

get our guy out of there. And

1:15:48

I'm right in assuming you've never

1:15:50

actually seen Tiger King, correct? I

1:15:53

have not. I have not. And

1:15:55

I don't think I really want to,

1:15:57

because I was reading the law library...

1:16:00

Today and and there's

1:16:02

one of the ex employees the

1:16:04

sued Netflix Thank God, he

1:16:06

didn't win the appellate court at the

1:16:08

10th district in Denver denied his

1:16:11

his case Fucking sued

1:16:13

Netflix over my

1:16:15

husband's funeral He

1:16:19

owned and copyrighted the

1:16:21

video that we've made of Travis's

1:16:23

funeral I'm like fucking stupid. How

1:16:26

low can you be to try

1:16:28

and collect on on somebody's funeral?

1:16:31

Yeah, that's why one of the one of

1:16:33

the things that stood out for me from

1:16:35

the in the in Tiger King And hopefully

1:16:37

you can remember this. There's

1:16:39

a scene where one of the female zoo

1:16:42

Workers, she gets her arm ripped off by a

1:16:44

tiger and what is Absolutely,

1:16:47

whatever that initially happened. You did

1:16:49

not have a Paramedic

1:16:51

jacket on but then within like

1:16:56

The real the real footage is

1:16:58

on my youtube channel or

1:17:00

it's on joe exotics usa.com on

1:17:02

that evidence page The

1:17:05

original video I released after

1:17:07

after everybody said why

1:17:09

did you put a jacket on so fast? Joe

1:17:12

didn't have a jacket on that entire

1:17:14

time. Okay, okay And let

1:17:16

me tell you if I wouldn't have been there she

1:17:19

would have died my bad absolutely

1:17:21

Oh, hey, I saw you put

1:17:23

on the turnip yet. You're taking care of her man. You saved

1:17:25

her fucking life No,

1:17:30

I'll check it out knowing now that it is just I'll

1:17:32

check it out Whoever

1:17:35

you talk to on my social media to set

1:17:37

this up tonight Mm-hmm

1:17:39

reach out to him and I'm gonna I'm gonna

1:17:41

call as soon as we hang up and I'm

1:17:43

gonna say be sure that Nicholas gets

1:17:45

the original footage of sapploos in her

1:17:48

arm. I have every bit of it

1:17:50

good And it is

1:17:52

no way That the way

1:17:54

Netflix portrayed it none of it none whatsoever.

1:17:56

It was devastating. I

1:17:58

can imagine Like there

1:18:01

there would have been no time for you to say hey,

1:18:03

I gotta grab grab a fucking jacket real quick Oh fuck

1:18:05

no dude, I ripped my gun off.

1:18:07

I you know my I carry my gun

1:18:09

everywhere. I ripped my holster off I

1:18:12

took my belt off. I used it as a

1:18:14

tourniquet and and dude I

1:18:16

I had the best emergency protocols

1:18:18

you can ask for it a

1:18:20

zoo and and

1:18:22

if it wouldn't have been for me

1:18:24

and and the training and having

1:18:26

stretchers and And ready, you

1:18:29

know a helipad and everything that woman

1:18:31

would have died Yeah, and

1:18:33

I saw you you from just

1:18:35

from Netflix. You can tell you

1:18:37

knew what you were doing. You're medically trained

1:18:39

and you're decisive Yeah,

1:18:46

first response training right there now Are you looking back

1:18:48

to go into this are you looking forward to going

1:18:50

back to the state facility? Are you I do

1:18:53

it seems like you've been a little more accessible here at

1:18:55

the at the county lockup, but I Defend

1:18:58

keep me shut up. I haven't used

1:19:00

to phone in two years. They don't

1:19:02

have video visits I've never had a

1:19:04

face-to-face visit Am

1:19:07

I enjoying my time here? Absolutely, but I

1:19:09

don't get to go outside here You

1:19:11

know you sleep and live under these bright

1:19:13

ass fluorescent lights 24 hours a day I

1:19:16

I get a hamburger some pizza from

1:19:18

the real world here There's

1:19:21

pros and cons both ways, you know

1:19:25

But you know, I'm

1:19:27

hoping that I stay here another week

1:19:29

after my my court date Tuesday, okay

1:19:32

We're gonna kick this guy's ass because he's

1:19:34

in the wrong. He stole my music. He

1:19:36

got paid for it While

1:19:38

I was in solitary confinement everybody raped me

1:19:41

out there Oh, yeah We were talking about

1:19:43

this beforehand You would be a like a

1:19:45

you'd be as big as fucking Taylor Swift

1:19:47

right now Like if you

1:19:50

if you were given the opportunity to capitalize

1:19:52

on what Netflix did to you you

1:19:54

you would you would be a king You would

1:19:56

be a Sultan If

1:20:00

I get out of here, which I hope I do

1:20:03

and I'm and I'm gonna take it, you know My

1:20:07

goal is to get out of here go to 7-eleven get

1:20:09

a pack of more blood Go to

1:20:11

Fort Smith, Arkansas lock myself in the house with that

1:20:13

for two days. I'm sex That's

1:20:19

a hydrated that's the manliest shit I've ever heard

1:20:21

before And

1:20:25

I'm gonna get a tour going and then

1:20:27

I'm gonna testify in front of Congress about

1:20:29

justice and prison reform Cuz I'm not gonna

1:20:32

walk out of here and forget everybody like

1:20:34

Kodak Black did and a little Wayne Yeah,

1:20:37

no, man. You I think you gotta

1:20:39

stick to your stick your shit

1:20:42

here and I'm interested What's next in

1:20:44

the process for you in terms of the

1:20:46

march to get you out of there? And

1:20:49

I guess the proceedings look next for you.

1:20:51

I'm on appeal, you know, but how much

1:20:53

can we trust the system? I'm

1:20:58

getting a violation warning. I don't know why cuz

1:21:00

there's a black screen But

1:21:04

you know, you can't figure out how to do

1:21:06

this, but you know, I can't see you can't

1:21:08

record I'm on

1:21:10

appeal I'm hoping that

1:21:12

we win this appeal But you know, it's

1:21:15

all up to lawyers and lawyers seem to

1:21:17

watch Netflix and carry their own agenda without

1:21:20

conversing with me So

1:21:24

who knows? But I

1:21:27

pray to God that y'all can give

1:21:29

President Biden to wake up, you know He's

1:21:32

the power to be it whether you like the man

1:21:34

or not He is the man who can fix this

1:21:36

right now well the bro-hio nation is gonna try and

1:21:38

wake him up and we're gonna try and wake him

1:21:40

up and I think there's a There's

1:21:42

this story is not done yet. And I think you

1:21:44

gotta I'm interested in

1:21:47

I know you what there's you've talked

1:21:50

Recently about a lot of things but I'm

1:21:52

interested to know about the things you say once you

1:21:54

get out I know there's I know there's even more

1:21:56

stuff that you're kind of holding back on and there's

1:21:58

a there's a lot of things that maybe

1:22:00

you still haven't elaborated on. So I'm looking forward

1:22:02

to the day that you can get

1:22:05

out and you can really fucking let your tongue

1:22:07

loose man. Well I mean if you look

1:22:09

at joexotictv.net and you go through the

1:22:11

600 videos that and

1:22:14

recording that my lawyer John

1:22:16

Phillips has obtained, they're quite

1:22:18

shocking. But it maps up my

1:22:20

story about the rape and the

1:22:23

sex trafficking that Jeff and James

1:22:25

and Lauren were involved in at

1:22:27

the zoo in Vegas. Well yeah.

1:22:29

It's even more shocking that the federal government

1:22:32

knew they were doing this and

1:22:34

they still let them lie and covered all

1:22:36

this shit up. In order to

1:22:38

pass the law so you can't own a tiger

1:22:40

in America I mean come on how

1:22:43

crazy is that? We're actually...

1:22:46

I consider myself a political prisoner for the

1:22:48

Big Cat Safety Act. I

1:22:50

firmly believe that as well Joe

1:22:52

and actually we're not far from the

1:22:55

Zanesville Zoo where all that shit went

1:22:57

down and that guy kind of lost

1:22:59

his fucking mind. I went over

1:23:02

there during that okay and I

1:23:04

belly-crawled my ass up to those

1:23:06

cages. And I knew Terry

1:23:08

Thompson and to this day and that

1:23:10

might be why I'm partially in here.

1:23:12

To this day I have screamed that

1:23:14

they murdered him in

1:23:16

order to pass that law in

1:23:19

Ohio because who got... I have

1:23:21

the copies of the contracts. Who

1:23:23

got the contracts to move tigers

1:23:25

from there to California and Florida?

1:23:28

Carol Baskin's organization the Global Federation

1:23:30

Animal Sanctuary for a quarter million

1:23:33

dollars apiece. And

1:23:36

there we go. That's

1:23:38

a wrap. We got terminated. I don't know why.

1:23:40

They fucking ended it. I don't

1:23:43

know why man. It was a... Wow.

1:23:46

We were talking to Joe and that's a bummer.

1:23:49

We had nine minutes left. They

1:23:51

shut us off. They said we

1:23:53

were gonna... Yeah they gave us a warning

1:23:56

up there. They said we were violating... some

1:24:00

kind of policy I'm assuming with the jail

1:24:02

that he's in right now with a video

1:24:04

call for some reason our our

1:24:07

camera wasn't wasn't working I don't know

1:24:09

if that had anything to do with

1:24:11

it or if we were talking about

1:24:13

an open case the screen that it

1:24:16

knew that we were recording so now we

1:24:18

definitely we definitely weren't recording

1:24:21

what we were recording the audio we recorded

1:24:23

everything yeah we recorded the audio not the

1:24:25

video we couldn't yeah no

1:24:28

we recorded everything we record the audio

1:24:31

doesn't fucking matter no no

1:24:33

yeah that's that sucks whatever

1:24:36

I mean we got 21

1:24:38

out of 30 minutes yeah my

1:24:44

I'm very happy I got

1:24:46

to learn about the paramedic jacket yeah that

1:24:48

was a bunch of shit unfortunately

1:24:53

man that's a

1:24:55

bummer prison real jail rules yeah yeah

1:24:57

I know you know you know how it is

1:25:00

we both we've both been there fuck use

1:25:03

high-profile

1:25:08

people man I know I love

1:25:11

the dude I do too man lap he's

1:25:13

such a one way one way or the other

1:25:16

you know I mean like whether you know he's

1:25:18

a fucking in there was it enigma

1:25:22

is that the word oh sure yeah yeah

1:25:24

he's he's such like a

1:25:26

burning flame yeah yeah he's

1:25:29

man and the most painful part about

1:25:32

all that is he never

1:25:34

got to see he never

1:25:37

got to see the the Netflix stuff

1:25:39

he hasn't he hasn't watched it not that I mean he

1:25:41

doesn't want to watch it yeah but he

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and here's it here's the thing like I

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think like with the whole Tiger King thing sure

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like at the very beginning you know they painted them

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in a good light and they pulled the whole fucking

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switcheroo or you know towards the end they start painting

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them as a bad guy the whole time watching that

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though I kind of have like like the

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Walter White feel to him,

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where you're kind of rooting for him. Yeah,

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for sure. He's overall, in

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the story where he starts as a good guy,

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he ends up being the bad guy in the

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story, but at the same time, I still wanted

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to see him win. I

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still wanna see him win. Absolutely, and I still do.

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I wanna be there in the trailer when he gets locked

1:26:24

up for days and has sex with him. I

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truly believe that any, essentially

1:26:30

any violence towards

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the animals that he had in captivity that happened

1:26:36

was done really in the most ethical way that

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he possibly could have. I mean,

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if you have an old, huge

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thing of sick tigers, a killing

1:26:49

machine, essentially. You know what I

1:26:51

mean? That's sick and you can't do anything with it. I

1:26:54

don't know. But

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I think at the end of the day, probably

1:27:03

not great to have tigers, but he's

1:27:05

not in jail for the tigers. Yeah,

1:27:07

absolutely. Yeah. Allegedly

1:27:10

plotting to kill kennel bees. Conspiracy to come and

1:27:12

murder or whatever it is. But

1:27:14

that bitch deserved a lot, maybe

1:27:16

not to die. You know what? I

1:27:19

have, the entire time through COVID till

1:27:21

now, I have yet to hear a single person be on

1:27:24

her side. You

1:27:26

know what? And that says something. Netflix did a

1:27:28

really good job of paying her in a negative

1:27:30

light. Yeah. While still trying to make

1:27:32

her out to seem to be the victim, but you

1:27:34

know what? Hashtag

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free Joe exotic, man. Hashtag free Joe exotic.

1:27:40

I stand by it. I

1:27:42

fucking hear. Maybe

1:27:45

we should just do a phone call next

1:27:47

time. Maybe, maybe. They probably

1:27:49

have rules against that too, though. Fucking,

1:27:51

no, I think he can call. Okay.

1:27:55

But he did. What a

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bummer. And I brought up the ending, but I think we

1:27:59

got, yeah. We got the meat of it. We

1:28:01

got the meat, man potatoes. Gotta see him, he's handsome. I

1:28:03

wanna tell him how good his hair fucking looked. Dude,

1:28:06

it looked really fucking good. Hair's on fleek, man! Yeah, yeah, my- my-

1:28:08

my- my younger son has a mole and I was gonna ask him

1:28:10

if he had any, uh... Any

1:28:13

fucking gu- gu-guidance. I love that, dude. Any guidance

1:28:15

to my son's mole. Such a cool- transformation. He's

1:28:17

such a cool dude. Yeah, man. Alright,

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well sorry I didn't go as long as we wanted to,

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anticipated. Yep. Worth the wait.

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