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If you set out

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to be good at something, and

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certainly when I set out to be

0:02

good at something I needed to

0:05

not compete against other

0:05

people, I need to get the gold

0:08

medal for myself. It's for me,

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it's not to impress anybody. I

0:13

do it to get better. I do it

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because I have a lot of respect

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for me. And I have a lot of

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virtues and morality in how do I

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become the best indeed what

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Benteke to myself. Welcome

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to the

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BoldBrush show, where we believe

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that fortune favors the bold

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brush. My name is Laura Arango

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Baier, and I'm your host. For

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those of you who are new to the

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podcast. We're a podcast that

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covers art marketing techniques,

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and all sorts of business tips

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specifically to help artists

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learn to better sell their work.

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We interview artists at all

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stages of their careers as well

0:46

as others were in careers to the

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art world in order to hear their

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advice and insights. On this

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episode, we sat down with Nancy

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Francoise, a Modern Renaissance

0:57

painter with a deep seated

0:57

passion for the arts in all its

1:00

forms, whether it's painting,

1:00

poetry, acting, these are all of

1:04

Nancy's Favorite Things. He

1:04

tells us all about her eclectic

1:07

style, and how that has

1:07

influenced her fascinating

1:10

trajectory in life, as well as

1:10

paintings. She never gave up and

1:14

worked her butt off to get to

1:14

where she's always wanted to be

1:17

and continues to grow. And she

1:17

truly believes anyone can do it

1:21

too, so long as they have the

1:21

strength, discipline and love

1:24

for the craft. She also gives us

1:24

some great tips on time

1:27

management, galleries and social

1:27

media as well as finding your

1:30

voice. Finally, she tells us

1:30

about her upcoming shows and her

1:34

online mentorship. Hey, welcome,

1:34

Nancy to the BoldBrush show. How

1:38

are you today? I'm

1:40

great. How are you?

1:42

I'm really excited to have you I'm really good. Because you, you have

1:44

quite an interesting history in

1:50

how you studied and where you

1:50

went. And we were just

1:52

discussing this before recording, we were telling me how you specifically were

1:54

looking for the instructors that

1:59

you wanted, which I think is

1:59

something that not a lot of

2:01

people think about, but it's so

2:01

important. But before we discuss

2:05

that, do you mind telling us a

2:05

bit about who you are and what

2:08

you do?

2:10

I always say

2:10

logon Renaissance painter. And I

2:13

say that because people are you

2:13

know, they have all these tags.

2:17

And I said what can I come up

2:17

with that kind of would be my

2:20

tag. So people would say well,

2:20

what's your style, I would say

2:24

that I have a very eclectic

2:24

style. If you go into my

2:27

clothing closet, or you listen

2:27

to the music that I have in my

2:32

playlist. I have a very broad

2:32

like, of different styles and

2:43

genres. Meaning that I don't I'm

2:43

not set to one way to do

2:50

anything. I like a little rock

2:50

and roll. I like the crooners. I

2:56

like 1920s silent film. I love

2:56

classical literature. But then I

3:01

like some a lot of the film noir

3:01

from the 40s the music from that

3:06

period, which was classical, but

3:06

then I listened to heavy metal

3:09

and alternative my saying My

3:09

husband loves the 70s the music

3:13

in the 70s was good. I like it.

3:13

I liked the whole the way things

3:17

came around. Art kind of made a

3:17

big change, then there wasn't

3:21

any realism. But my background

3:21

was modern. And then I said but

3:27

I liked classical. My

3:27

grandmother was a classical

3:29

pianist. My mother said blues

3:29

and jazz. So I kind of have

3:33

everything infused into my let's

3:33

say library of what I like and

3:39

what I don't like. And I think

3:39

my painting has that same style.

3:43

It classically trained Yes, but

3:43

I try to keep it in the

3:47

contemporary world. It could be

3:47

a moment in time from when I was

3:52

younger, but I still kind of

3:52

make it seem like it's

3:56

contemporary. But it all depends

3:56

on the subject matter. I don't

4:00

like to be pigeonholed into one

4:00

thing. I'd like to constantly

4:05

change, you know, I get bored of

4:05

everything. So. So that's why we

4:09

say Modern Renaissance painter

4:09

is kind of fusing classical with

4:16

contemporary realism. Somebody

4:16

else worded it differently

4:19

actually liked the way they

4:19

worded it better, but I can't

4:22

remember that right now. But I

4:22

would say it's a combination of

4:27

both. It's it's eclectic. I can

4:27

you know, one day of painting

4:32

the flower children and tomorrow

4:32

I can be painting, you know,

4:35

something from film noir. And I

4:35

like it would fall apart. I

4:39

liked a lot of different people

4:39

if it's good, and it resonates

4:43

with me and has visual impact or

4:43

musically like Wow, I love that

4:49

melody and that. It doesn't

4:49

matter what time it came from.

4:53

It doesn't matter the style. You

4:53

like it, you like it and so I'm

4:57

not stuck just like the only one

4:57

Another thing, so I hope that I

5:02

can keep evolving and changing,

5:02

I don't think I will ever reach

5:07

my peak because I'm constantly

5:07

looking and searching to change

5:10

things and become better. I

5:10

don't think that I'm the top, I

5:16

think when you think you're the

5:16

best, and that you're a star and

5:20

a celebrity, that's when you

5:20

stop growing. And I think that's

5:23

when you get stagnant. So I

5:23

think we should all be, you

5:27

know, have a little humility and

5:27

keep growing that way.

5:32

Absolutely.

5:32

That's such a wonderful point to

5:34

make. Because I think, you know,

5:34

as you said, you know, it's you

5:39

don't, and a true artists should

5:39

never really reach their peak,

5:42

so to speak. And if you reach

5:42

your peak, that means that you

5:45

probably passed away before you

5:45

can continue growing, you know,

5:48

growth, I think is like, the the

5:48

real key to success, both

5:53

personally, which I think

5:53

personal success is much more

5:55

important than, you know,

5:55

outward social success. And it

5:59

just, you know, it's a gift that

5:59

keeps on giving, which is

6:02

wonderful, too. So in terms of

6:02

your background, I'm really

6:06

curious to know, when you

6:06

decided, Okay, I'm going to be

6:10

an artist. When I was fine,

6:10

nice. Me too, actually.

6:17

I was five

6:17

years old, I remember watching a

6:19

film. I think my mom had it on,

6:19

she would always watch, you

6:26

know, a lot of the classic

6:26

films. That's why I liked the

6:30

film noir and substitute, I

6:30

always had one of those on. And

6:33

I remember seeing Elizabeth

6:33

Taylor and Cat on a Hot Tin

6:37

Roof, watching Elvis Presley,

6:37

you know, in his thing. So Fred

6:42

Astaire and Ginger Rogers, and I

6:42

would sit there, and I see

6:46

mommy, I know what I want to be

6:46

when I grow up. So first time

6:49

around, my real passion is

6:49

acting, I absolutely love

6:53

acting, and I wanted to be an

6:53

actress. And I always get upset

6:58

that, you know, I kind of went

6:58

into that role. But I didn't say

7:03

yes to like, do a few things

7:03

came my way. And I didn't say

7:05

yes to it. Because my parents

7:05

were like, No, you can't do

7:08

that. Oh, no, don't be an

7:08

actress, people that get into

7:12

acting, but will the producer

7:12

and directors only want you

7:16

because they want one thing. And

7:16

that's the way like, I think the

7:18

old school, and I come from an

7:18

Italian background, they're very

7:22

old fashion. And so, you know,

7:22

they always put this negative

7:28

spin on stuff. But I think a lot

7:28

of families, I think a lot of

7:33

the that from that time period,

7:33

they all did that with their

7:36

kids. So I'm not, you know, I'm

7:36

not just one. And you know, what

7:42

you have to do is get over that,

7:42

because that can cripple you.

7:45

And it took for a long time

7:45

because I said I want to be

7:48

anxious. A dancer, I love her

7:48

and Astaire. And if I can't do

7:53

that, I also love painting, and

7:53

writing. So they, you know,

7:58

there was some negative about

7:58

it. And when I was nine years

8:00

old, I was really depressed

8:00

about it. But I would always go

8:04

into drama classes. And I would

8:04

get plays after school and go to

8:08

the library stack of books of

8:08

plays, and say, Oh, I can play

8:13

that part. I can play this

8:13

sport. And my mother would look

8:16

at me and say, What are you

8:16

doing, and I would stay in my

8:19

bedroom, I would come up with

8:19

these costumes. And when they

8:22

would go out, I would come into

8:22

my living room with a costume on

8:25

I already knew all the lines.

8:25

And I would bow and make believe

8:29

I was on a stage. And so most of

8:29

the work that you see in my art

8:33

today comes from that

8:33

background. So a lot of my

8:36

friends that are actors, they

8:36

went, you missed your call, you

8:39

should have done that. I'm like,

8:39

yeah, they will let you go to

8:42

the High School of Performing

8:42

Arts, which I actually bought it

8:45

years later. But I feel so close

8:45

to film. And that is the thing

8:49

that inspires me to tell a

8:49

story. I started writing stories

8:53

when I was nine. And I think

8:53

film is special effects major,

8:57

you know, when I went to art

8:57

school because they said Don't

8:59

tell me you're going to be a

8:59

painter now. You're going to

9:01

give up your job and be a

9:01

painter. And I was looking at 35

9:05

years old. And I had a great job

9:05

in travel American Express

9:09

travel. And I was just

9:09

miserable. I was so depressed

9:13

all through my 20s You know I've

9:13

competed in gymnastics because

9:17

it was almost like being on

9:17

stage. You know? And I did

9:21

really well with that. But you

9:21

know, you can only go so far

9:25

when you hit 21. That's it. That

9:25

career is over, got into dance

9:28

wanted to dance competitions

9:28

with Baldwin. So there was that

9:32

drive to always be in the arts,

9:32

whether it was acting, dancing,

9:38

writing, painting, it's all

9:38

transferable. It's all related

9:42

to each other. That's who we

9:42

are. That's what artists are

9:46

with to ourselves. And my

9:46

introverted or extroverted. I'm

9:50

both I was kind of shy when I

9:50

was a kid. Believe it or not. My

9:53

mom's saying this kid. She's too

9:53

nice. I gotta teach you how to

9:57

box because everyone's gonna

9:57

beat you up because So I was

10:00

like always lending like things

10:00

and giving things away. I'm

10:03

still like that. But at one

10:03

point, you do have to learn how

10:06

to, you know, you reach a

10:06

certain age and have to draw the

10:08

line. And you have to stand up

10:08

for yourself. So finally, when I

10:11

was 35, I walked into School of

10:11

Visual Arts. And I said, I would

10:16

like to finish my degree, I was

10:16

a physics major sports medicine

10:20

minor first time around at

10:20

Brooklyn College. And how do I

10:24

get into school? And they say,

10:24

well, portfolio review is in

10:28

three, four months, do you have

10:28

a portfolio said no. How do I

10:31

get one? They looked at me, they

10:31

said, Do you draw on paint? I

10:35

said, Yeah, you have sketchbooks

10:35

and doodles in my sketchbook and

10:38

little charcoal drawings and

10:38

paintings? Can I use those? And

10:41

they went, No, you have to have

10:41

life drawing, I stick can you

10:44

recommend to classes, my company

10:44

will pay for it. If I say I'm a

10:48

graphic design major. And they

10:48

did. And I got in. And I just

10:54

worked my butt off. Like in the

10:54

morning when I was taking the

10:57

train to work. I was drawing on

10:57

lunch hour to take lunch, I was

11:01

drawing on the weekends and had

11:01

a boyfriend that had asked me to

11:04

go out and said, You know what I think we need to break up because I have a mission goal.

11:06

And there's no way I'm going to

11:09

let any more time go by I'm

11:09

finally going to do this. I

11:12

don't care what anybody says. So

11:12

I could say to anybody out

11:16

there, don't listen to the

11:16

chatter around you. You have to

11:20

have the courage. The fear is

11:20

false evidence appearing real.

11:24

You have to have the courage to

11:24

stand up for yourself and

11:27

believe in yourself. And believe

11:27

that you can be successful, we

11:31

can all be successful. Right? We

11:31

just have to try and not be

11:35

afraid.

11:37

Absolutely.

11:37

Oh my god. Yes. I love that.

11:40

That is so inspiring.

11:43

I got it in

11:43

three months, I got it. I never

11:46

took a drawing class. And I

11:46

worked my butt off for two

11:49

years, I worked full time went

11:49

to school at night. You know, I

11:53

always say I'm way behind like

11:53

my friend, Alex tank, a lot of

11:57

my friends. You know that been

11:57

Jimmy way longer than me. I say

12:03

I felt like I needed to catch

12:03

up. Because I wasn't supposed to

12:10

do it when I was younger because

12:10

nobody thought I should do it.

12:13

And so I let that fear cripple

12:13

me to my mid 30s Or I would have

12:18

been doing it when I was

12:18

younger. Lesson learned right.

12:23

Now I was 20 years younger, that

12:23

would be great.

12:28

Yeah, you

12:28

know, that's one of the main

12:30

things. It's like, oh, like, how

12:30

did I do it back then, you know,

12:34

how was able to have so much

12:34

energy for everything. But I

12:39

liked it. You know, obviously

12:39

you can't turn back the clock.

12:41

But there's no regrets. You're

12:41

you're doing amazing. And your

12:45

work is beautiful. So it really

12:45

pays off.

12:49

Thank thank

12:49

you so much for saying that. I

12:51

always I never forget where I

12:51

come from, you know, I come from

12:55

a middle class family. Nothing

12:55

was given to me. I'm still

12:58

paying off my $55,000 student

12:58

loan, I quit my job at American

13:03

Express. And I went to music and

13:03

art. And I taught architecture.

13:10

I never I didn't know anything

13:10

about architecture. I read the

13:12

book I got in, but a steady

13:12

income. But there was a teacher

13:16

there that said to me, what are

13:16

you doing in the theater

13:18

department? He said, What are

13:18

you doing here? You should come

13:21

on audition is because you're

13:21

ready. And you should have been

13:23

an actress, but your paintings

13:23

are really good. They kind of

13:27

remind me of the theater or film

13:27

I said yes. The desire to tell a

13:31

story. You know, so the lesson

13:31

is, don't ever give up. You have

13:38

to hang in there. You have to

13:38

figure out a way to make money.

13:41

I quit the teaching job.

13:41

Everybody thought I was crazy.

13:45

They said oh she's not choose to

13:45

always not. I didn't listen to

13:48

them this time, you know, moved

13:48

into the city. And I worked

13:52

three jobs for a long time up

13:52

until 11 years ago, when I met

13:57

my husband. My second husband

13:57

Tim. He said to me in 2017, I

14:05

had this big portrait commission

14:05

and that's what I was doing to

14:07

make money. Besides being a

14:07

freelance makeup artist at

14:10

Bergdorf the Lord mercy. I was

14:10

able to supplement my income.

14:15

But I couldn't paint every day,

14:15

three, four days a week I was

14:18

working eight hour days. And

14:18

then all my days off. I was

14:21

working seven days a week all

14:21

the time. I had to put the 30

14:25

hours a weekend. I had three

14:25

days to do it. I'm in the studio

14:28

for 10 hours. That's it. And 11

14:28

years ago when I quit, a friend

14:35

of mine said When are you going

14:35

she's an entrepreneur sheet that

14:39

you need to stop now and just go

14:39

for it. I said okay, I'll do

14:43

portrait commissions all the

14:43

time. And my husband said to me

14:47

We had just met he said why are

14:47

you doing this? You don't seem

14:50

like you like doing it. I said

14:50

you know what, I love doing

14:54

portraits but I don't like being

14:54

I felt like it was too in the

14:58

box for my turn. In it, I have

14:58

friends of mine that an amazing

15:02

commissioned portrait painters,

15:02

and they love it, and they do

15:06

quite well. So I think you have

15:06

to figure out what is your

15:10

temperament. And that takes a

15:10

while, and then go in that

15:13

direction. Now, painting your

15:13

own things is like a musician

15:19

not playing classical music and

15:19

copying Mozart or a musician

15:25

that is a session musician

15:25

that's playing other people's

15:28

work, or a singer. That's a

15:28

backup singer. That's not singer

15:32

songwriter singing their own

15:32

stuff. That's the hardest thing

15:35

to do. It's so hard to figure

15:35

out what the voice is. And how

15:42

do you write your story? Not

15:42

easy.

15:46

Yeah. So

15:47

figure out how

15:47

do you get up every day and be

15:52

inspired? Me,

15:56

that's it.

15:56

Yeah, that's actually it's so

15:59

funny that you say that because

15:59

I was literally, you know,

16:01

earlier, I was in the shower. And I was thinking about inspiration. So it's so funny

16:03

that you bring it up, it's like

16:05

it. Inspiration really is the

16:05

thing that starts motivation.

16:09

You know, everyone always

16:09

complains that I'm not motivated

16:11

enough to do something. It's like, well, maybe you're not inspired enough. That's like the

16:13

the mission, you know, to really

16:16

get motivated. Which it seems

16:16

like you definitely, you said,

16:21

You know what, this is it. I'm

16:21

tired of everyone saying I

16:24

can't, I can't, I can't I

16:24

decide. And I love that you

16:27

compare it to to being you know,

16:27

like a background singer, right.

16:30

You want to be the lead of your

16:30

life, you want to be the lead of

16:34

your creation is in your work,

16:34

you don't want to be in the

16:37

background. It's your life,

16:37

right? So I love that you just

16:40

went for it.

16:44

It's very

16:44

difficult, because, you know, as

16:49

a painter, you're alone a lot.

16:49

It's like writing and I to be

16:52

writing and you have to be

16:52

alone. You can't have any

16:55

distractions around you. You

16:55

know, this a lot of people

16:59

around like where I live now.

16:59

They're not from Manhattan. And

17:03

they want to go out all the

17:03

time. They want to listen to

17:06

music. It's a big music venue

17:06

down here. And you know what, I

17:10

do that when I was younger, like

17:10

older years, I wasn't doing art.

17:15

To him. I was supporting girl, I

17:15

was out on Bleecker Street. And

17:18

it happened all the time. My

17:18

friends were in bands, my

17:21

friends, brothers were in bands.

17:21

I was going to acting classes. I

17:25

had free airline tickets with

17:25

American Express, I traveled all

17:28

over skiing, went to Europe went

17:28

everywhere. That's how and you

17:33

know, I had an income coming in.

17:33

And it was free. So I did it. So

17:38

I would say up until I went to

17:38

art school. I had an amazing,

17:43

you know, anything that you

17:43

would want it to do in your

17:47

life, or just that, oh, I could

17:47

do that. And I did it. So I

17:50

really pouring blood. You know,

17:50

and then I said, Okay, time to

17:54

buckle down. Because now when

17:54

you're in your 30s you say you

17:59

got to buckle down? What is it

17:59

you really want to do? That's

18:02

gonna make you excited about

18:02

waking up every day. Some people

18:06

have a job. They love it. But

18:06

some people are just doing it

18:10

for a check. And that's a

18:10

miserable place to be. I was in

18:15

that place. New Way. I'm not

18:15

revisiting Dante's Inferno. Oh

18:23

good. Yeah,

18:23

yeah. Um, I love that. Oh, my

18:27

God. And

18:30

money. Yep.

18:30

No.

18:33

Yeah. I mean, if you're gonna be making money, you might as well do it

18:35

something that isn't making you

18:37

hate your life all the time, you

18:37

know. And speaking of your work,

18:42

actually, I'm really curious to

18:42

know because I was looking at

18:45

your work and it's absolutely

18:45

beautiful. It's as eclectic as

18:48

you of course, you know, you got

18:48

a little bit of everything on

18:51

your website, you got your

18:51

portraits, you got your animals,

18:54

you got landscapes, and in your

18:54

portraits specifically, I

18:58

absolutely love that they have

18:58

this vibe, you know, of like,

19:02

the expression of the human

19:02

condition that also you know, it

19:07

feels like that person in the

19:07

painting, you know, they're

19:10

actually there and they want to

19:10

tell you something, you know,

19:13

they're like, trying to express

19:13

something. Do you have a

19:17

specific painting currently

19:17

because I know this can change

19:20

but do you have a specific painting that you're particularly proud of or fond

19:21

of?

19:26

Oh, that's a

19:26

loaded question. Girl girl, my

19:30

children so I love them all. I

19:30

think they're all a lot of my my

19:36

series that I just came out of.

19:36

That was in Dasha solo show that

19:42

is up until November 18 is cool

19:42

bohemian spirits. And if you

19:47

define a bohemian definitely

19:47

made I don't want to be tied

19:51

down. I did get married too

19:51

late. Nothing wrong with having

19:55

children that just when I was

19:55

10, I said I'm having a zero I

19:58

want to be an artist. That was

19:58

it. I was set on that's what I

20:01

want to do. And I don't know how

20:01

women that have children, and I

20:05

really applaud them. And then

20:05

they could still paint into

20:09

really well. I'm astounded by by

20:09

that. But I would say that when

20:15

I found my voice, it was things

20:15

that I remembered when I was

20:20

really young. And it was during

20:20

COVID. I'm so time depressed.

20:25

And we all work because now

20:25

we're in solitary confinement.

20:29

Not that we weren't already as

20:29

artists were in our studio, were

20:34

chained to the studio. So you

20:34

always feel alone, you know. And

20:40

I started thinking about when I

20:40

was young, and I had a model

20:46

ally, who lives right near me,

20:46

she was recommended by a friend

20:50

of mine, that actually it was in

20:50

one of my paintings pulled out

20:53

of Eden. She spoke to a painter,

20:53

she goes into like our style,

20:58

but her name is Brittany, but

20:58

she has her own voice. And they

21:02

have this little gallery in

21:02

Asbury Park, and she recommended

21:06

a few models. And Ali came with

21:06

her boyfriend, who's now her

21:10

fiance, and Nick. And I said, Oh

21:10

my God, they're going to be

21:14

great as Paolo and Francesca,

21:14

the lovers. So that was the

21:18

first painting, I took them. And

21:18

it got into the first round of

21:20

figures at this at the meeting.

21:20

And I said, Okay, you know, the

21:24

classic literature, I looked on

21:24

Jason Pardo, but then I had this

21:28

idea of John Lennon's Imagine,

21:28

because we couldn't go out. And

21:33

he said, You know, I really

21:33

wished when I was a little kid,

21:36

I wish we could go back to that

21:36

time, you know, Imagine all the

21:39

people, and all you need is love

21:39

and all of that. And I just

21:44

remembered moments of when I was

21:44

a kid, and my friends were 10

21:47

years older than me. So they

21:47

would tell me these stories, I

21:52

always hung out with older

21:52

people. And they would tell me

21:55

these amazing stories, and I

21:55

started to research it. And I

21:59

said, Oh, I remember when Vivian

21:59

told me this story, or Joe told

22:03

me that story. And and I looked

22:03

at all the musicians and the

22:06

music and the lyrics and the

22:06

vocal covers. And so I wanted to

22:11

be part of that. And I felt so

22:11

passionate about it. I think if

22:16

you go into paint, and you're

22:16

copying what you think is going

22:19

to sell, that's not real. That's

22:19

not passionate, you just copy

22:23

cat and mouse will copy a

22:23

painting a, you know, an old

22:25

master painting or a song or

22:25

whatever. You have to be

22:29

inspired by your own story, and

22:29

who you are, what is your

22:33

identity, my identity definitely

22:33

is no matter who it is, no

22:38

matter what type of money you

22:38

are, I knew that the middle

22:40

class girl, I never think I'm a

22:40

rich person. I don't try to do

22:44

the designer thing and be fake.

22:44

That's fake. Because that's not

22:49

who you are. Unless you've come

22:49

from that background. But even

22:52

if you've got all that money,

22:52

why would you show you know,

22:57

designers stuff and lo look, I'm

22:57

part of it. It's fake. Be who

23:01

you are. It doesn't matter how

23:01

much money you have, it doesn't

23:04

matter but you were being real

23:04

to what you want to say to the

23:10

world. Now some people will say,

23:10

Well, you know, a social

23:14

commentary. Oh, do you paint

23:14

older people? Oh, yeah, I do. My

23:18

friends are all different ethnic

23:18

groups before I went into

23:22

bohemian Supersite was always

23:22

painting that my friend Clifton

23:26

King, he's a black two from

23:26

Crown Heights is much older than

23:30

me. But he's an active director,

23:30

writer, and one of the liturgy

23:34

Everett Memorial Award at Allied

23:34

artists before Black Lives

23:37

Matter. So I was doing that

23:37

already. But this story just

23:42

kind of resonated with the

23:42

flower children. And that is the

23:45

thing that started me out that I

23:45

felt inspired by and have been

23:50

painting, that type of painting

23:50

until I hit my solo show. And I

23:55

would say my favorite. Circling

23:55

back to what you asked me, what

24:00

is that? My favorite one out of

24:00

all of them. That's so horrible

24:07

because I loved Ode to a flower

24:07

child. I love to emerges, you

24:14

know this during the spring. But

24:14

right now my recent work I would

24:18

say the one that's called

24:18

whispering echoes the return of

24:23

Juliet which kind of dovetails

24:23

into the 19th century and

24:28

classical literature which I am

24:28

while to doubt and dark

24:32

academia. So I would say right

24:32

now that one it's a tie between

24:37

that one and a little girl my

24:37

friends nice that I painted

24:41

called winner of the year and

24:41

she squinted there. I don't

24:46

know. Alone. I love the painting

24:46

and all I love that I've loved

24:51

alone based on Edgar Allan Poe.

24:51

So I think it's all the stuff

24:54

going into the Edgar Allan Poe

24:54

right now. I'm very excited

24:58

about it. I'm very well Read. I

24:58

honestly have poetry in my books

25:02

coming out in another year.

25:02

That's tied to the paintings

25:07

from Bohemians. So I would say

25:07

those would be my three, I

25:10

can't.

25:13

Oh my gosh,

25:13

yeah. And I love that you're

25:16

also you know, it's, you're not

25:16

just eclectic in your work, but

25:19

you're also eclectic in how you

25:19

express yourself, right? You've

25:22

got your poetry, you've got your

25:22

clothing, you've got your

25:25

paintings, you've got

25:25

everything. I feel like, it's so

25:27

exciting and wonderful to you

25:27

know, it's almost like, kind of

25:31

reminds me of, you know, like

25:31

the the Oscar Wilde sort of

25:33

like, I like floating around.

25:33

And also, you know, trying to

25:38

paint but also trying to express

25:38

myself through writing. It's

25:41

very inspiring to have so much,

25:41

I guess, gosh, it's like a cloud

25:47

of inspiration that you want to

25:47

spread into, you know, all of

25:50

these different arts.

25:53

I think all of

25:53

you know, I guess I was the only

25:56

nine or 10 year old that would

25:56

be in my room, and my mom would

25:59

say, What are you doing in

25:59

there, and I would have this,

26:04

this thing that she gave me,

26:04

which was like a catalog thing

26:07

that's circled, and you pick the

26:07

different categories, and I was

26:10

always picking theater, film,

26:10

mythology, you know, studied all

26:16

three and literature for

26:16

Tennyson, James Joyce, drama and

26:22

society. It was one of the

26:22

classes I took in school to

26:25

visualize a lot of lit classes,

26:25

I have about 18 credits in

26:28

literature. And my French would

26:28

say, Come on, why do you take

26:32

those classes? That's heavy

26:32

stuff, like those are hard.

26:35

Shakespeare is a hard read, and

26:35

said, Oh, my God, but look at

26:38

the writing and there wasn't

26:38

building back then. How did they

26:41

do that? Deer in the round, you

26:41

know, Shakespeare people went

26:46

around, and they'd watched the

26:46

people with a costume. Probably,

26:49

if I did it back then I want to

26:49

be one of those actresses doing

26:53

that, you know, just absolutely

26:53

love a story. I love the old way

26:58

they did film. Yes, I did

26:58

special effects with 3d. I like

27:02

the old way. I thought it was

27:02

more inventive that you had to

27:05

figure out like Hitchcock, how

27:05

do you shoot that? Now you get

27:08

the audience to feel that. And I

27:08

think that love first is why I

27:14

think of what you're talking

27:14

about, like emotive art, I would

27:17

say Modern Renaissance, but it's

27:17

a mode of art. I want you to

27:21

feel my character. I want them

27:21

all to be different. I want

27:26

them. They're all different.

27:26

It's a role, right? But the role

27:31

is really, me. Being the actress

27:31

like the little kid that was

27:36

nine years old. That's

27:36

rehearsing and being on stage.

27:40

They're all me. They're all self

27:40

portraits of things that I love,

27:43

and that I have read. How do I

27:43

express that make people feel

27:46

that?

27:48

Yeah, yeah.

27:48

And I think it definitely shows

27:51

through in your work, which,

27:51

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29:46

you're such a busy woman that I

29:46

feel very lucky to have you

29:50

first of all, so again, thank

29:50

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29:56

timing. Yeah. But um, I wanted

29:56

to know how Oh, how are you able

30:01

to manage your time? You know,

30:01

when you're working through all

30:04

of these amazing projects, and

30:04

you've got so much going on? How

30:07

do you time manage?

30:10

That's a

30:10

another loaded question. You're

30:13

firing away the bombs.

30:13

Management I think I get from,

30:23

I'm going to go back to

30:23

gymnastics. Back in my day, I

30:27

competed for seven years. And,

30:27

you know, you went to school

30:31

during the day, I was 14 years

30:31

old, when I started. You went to

30:35

school. And you know, my coach,

30:35

me and this girl, Debbie, we

30:41

were like the best ones on the

30:41

team. And I think was the desire

30:45

that, you know, it's a good

30:45

athlete, but the desire like you

30:48

know, doing your routine people

30:48

watching you on the stage, it

30:51

was so important to me, because

30:51

they wouldn't let me go to

30:54

acting school or performing less

30:54

than I needed to fulfill that.

31:00

After school, we always had

31:00

practice. So I was all around, I

31:05

was on floor, which was my best

31:05

balance being fours and

31:09

vaulting. And you had to learn

31:09

the routine after school. The

31:16

meats, the competitive meats

31:16

started in February. So in

31:19

September, or over the summer,

31:19

you never had a day off zero,

31:24

you didn't have time, because

31:24

you had to learn the routine,

31:28

the judge would say, this is the

31:28

routine you need to follow. And

31:32

you had to do it perfectly the

31:32

way the judge wrote it. So think

31:36

of a role the way the director

31:36

writes it and tells you, you

31:39

have to act it, you must do it

31:39

that way. But then we had

31:43

optional routines, your own body

31:43

of work as an artist right now,

31:49

you're not working for somebody

31:49

to earn a commission that tells

31:52

you how to direct it, they're

31:52

directing you. Now you're

31:55

directing yourself. So the

31:55

optional routines, I did all the

31:58

rounds, as well. And so now, I

31:58

had four routines to learn how

32:04

to, you know, evolve choice of

32:04

the bowl, and four routines to

32:09

create, pick my music, picked

32:09

the whole routine, which was

32:13

about about a minute long. And I

32:13

had a six months to learn it

32:22

during school. And I did it. And

32:22

I think when you train like

32:28

that, when you're a kid, you're

32:28

on a diet, you have to wake up,

32:32

you'd have to eat well, you'd

32:32

have to have the energy, you

32:35

have to reduce it, you have to

32:35

do it to a dice Do or die, your

32:42

buttons on the live. And, and

32:42

every February, I'm so excited,

32:47

I never thought I was ready

32:47

enough. It's like a solo show. I

32:50

don't think I'm ready enough.

32:50

It's not perfect enough. But at

32:53

one point, you have to let it

32:53

go. Because maybe other people

32:56

might not notice it and you're

32:56

being judged. You know, in front

33:00

of all a lot of people in front

33:00

of two judges may think that

33:03

training for seven years, then

33:03

working on Wall Street and all

33:08

the corporate background,

33:08

working with my mom, she had a

33:11

skincare sense of all of that I

33:11

had to do it, I always had to

33:14

work and said not I don't have a

33:14

lot of money, I had to figure

33:18

out how to do it. And if you're

33:18

not working, you're not in the

33:22

game, period, end of story. You

33:22

figure it out. So when I do art,

33:28

I'd say I have a to do list on

33:28

my phone. Or sometimes I write

33:34

it on a calendar with stickies

33:34

and I say I have like the seller

33:38

show I have 10 lines. To do

33:38

that. I need to execute one

33:42

painting a month to be on time.

33:42

I'm not going to compromise my

33:46

quality. It's do or die. I have

33:46

to be the gymnast right? That

33:51

does it well, and I feel

33:51

inspired by it. I have to come

33:55

up with the idea I have to do

33:55

the photoshoot. This is not

33:59

painting from like this is like

33:59

you have to execute. But then I

34:02

have to do the business I have

34:02

to do the social media. So how I

34:06

usually plan it is early in the

34:06

morning or before I go to bed at

34:10

night before going to bed at

34:10

night. I'm editing early in the

34:13

morning I'm posting before I

34:13

start painting on more radio say

34:18

on Sunday, that's going to be my

34:18

day to record stuff. Every day

34:22

that I'm painting, I have my

34:22

little phone, I'm all set up and

34:26

I'm recording myself. It may be

34:26

good footage may not be but to

34:31

try it out. I'm dumping all my

34:31

hard drive so I could see it.

34:35

You know better at night before

34:35

I go to bed. I save a lot of

34:40

drafts that I don't get to post

34:40

a week later. Or I take older

34:44

paintings and then I read them

34:44

them and you know not the same

34:49

type not the same anything

34:49

because Instagram will

34:52

definitely penalize you for

34:52

that. So that's how you do it. I

34:55

think one day a week that I

34:55

could do that. But I have the

34:58

camera on I would say four days

34:58

a week, I need a break sometimes

35:02

from the camera because when you

35:02

have a camera on, you are not

35:05

focused in your work. And a lot

35:05

of people have said, How do you

35:09

do that I'm like, I don't have

35:09

an automotive tire, I'll pick

35:12

one day run to a couple of

35:12

segments and paint in here

35:15

paints a texture painting in a

35:15

pattern. That's it, the videos

35:20

are only 11 seconds, Instagram

35:20

doesn't like their reels longer

35:23

than seven to 11 seconds, and I

35:23

have one coming up, it's only

35:28

four seconds. So people don't

35:28

you know, they want immediate

35:32

gratification. Well, that can

35:32

zap you off the chart. So you do

35:35

it that way. And that leaves you

35:35

more time, I allow myself eight

35:40

hours a day to pain. So I'm

35:40

working like at least sometimes

35:45

in the eight hours, maybe I have

35:45

an hour or two of social media,

35:49

when I'm drinking coffee in the

35:49

morning, I'm doing it. And I

35:52

just put myself on a schedule.

35:52

If I miss the schedule, I double

35:56

up the next day. I if I'd have

35:56

to get work out. We all compete

36:02

from life and have a model from

36:02

like, that's all well and good,

36:05

great. But if you're trying to

36:05

sell work in a gallery, it's not

36:09

about that. It's about execution

36:09

and making the show, you know,

36:14

you don't have all the time in

36:14

the world. And so is very

36:17

detailed thing. So what works

36:17

for me is it drawings, value

36:21

drawings, I work out the design,

36:21

I do it in Photoshop, I then

36:25

draw a sketchbook of all my

36:25

choice of all the paintings that

36:29

I've done. And what I do is

36:29

wait, you know, like four or

36:33

five days, sometimes I'm

36:33

sketching. If I nailed the

36:37

drawing, I then go to Kinko's,

36:37

if it's a big painting, I go to

36:42

Kinkos, I print it out, I put

36:42

oil on the back, I will transfer

36:47

it. And when I'm ready to paint,

36:47

if I do it from scratch, it's

36:50

going to maybe cost me a day or

36:50

two of time, because I got that

36:55

wrong got this one, I don't have

36:55

time to do that. I need to just

36:59

do it. So it's like you're

36:59

almost like, you know, you're

37:03

setting yourself up for a job.

37:03

Your boss tells you today you

37:06

have to get this done, do or

37:06

die, see figure out how to do

37:10

it. Now that I'm not on that

37:10

deadline scheduled till March, I

37:14

have another solo show coming

37:14

up. Sunday, I'm doing this and

37:18

I'm doing it from scratch, you

37:18

know, and I'll post my video of

37:20

it. Now I'll do my little color

37:20

studies that are like doing it

37:24

from like, if I don't have a

37:24

model, I like to do it like I'm

37:26

doing to get from like, you

37:26

know, so now I have kind of

37:29

like, yeah, I could go back to

37:29

that. I'm not in this deadline.

37:33

There's no deadline. Yeah.

37:37

Oh my gosh.

37:37

Yeah, that's a lot of

37:40

discipline. You know, that's

37:40

like, it's very admirable. And I

37:44

love that, you know, like you

37:44

said earlier, your skills from

37:46

all of these things that you've experienced in the past are all transferable, which is something

37:48

that, you know, I think a lot of

37:52

people don't really, I guess

37:52

they don't see from the outside,

37:55

but you living your life,

37:55

obviously, you're like, Oh, I've

37:57

done this before I've made

37:57

myself you know, train for hours

38:00

a day. And, and now I can just

38:00

do the same with my paintings,

38:03

which that's really awesome to

38:03

maintain that routine maintain

38:07

that, you know, I know what I'm

38:07

doing today. And I can expect

38:10

this from myself, you know,

38:13

you know, I

38:13

listen to a lot of podcasts, and

38:17

I listen to a lot of people in,

38:17

in fine art. And some are very,

38:24

very disciplined. And a lot of

38:24

them need to find motivation to

38:29

paint. You know, her friends,

38:29

well, this painting is selling

38:32

God, you know, for this amount,

38:32

and it's, you know, not that

38:36

good. So why should I bother?

38:36

You should always bother. It's

38:40

because, you know, it's the same

38:40

thing as if you set out to be

38:45

good at something. And certainly

38:45

when I set out to be good at

38:48

something I needed to not

38:48

compete against other people, I

38:51

need to get the gold medal for

38:51

myself. It's for me, it's not to

38:55

impress anybody. I do it to get

38:55

better. I do it because I have a

39:01

lot of respect for me. And I

39:01

have a lot of virtues and

39:06

morality in how do I become the

39:06

best and be authentic to myself,

39:11

too. Don't you think? An Olympic

39:11

athlete just that? Do you think

39:17

they need to be do you think

39:17

Simone Biles needs to be

39:20

motivated? No, she's got a goal

39:20

in mind. I want to be good at

39:25

that. And whatever it takes,

39:25

even if I have bad days, even if

39:30

I fail, failure is good. It's a

39:30

learning lesson. Right? She does

39:35

it. She had a bad situation, the

39:35

twisties and I know that twisty

39:39

circuits, I bought them a few

39:39

times scary thing because she

39:42

can't figure out where you are.

39:42

And she came back and look how

39:46

good she's doing. That takes a

39:46

lot of courage and discipline

39:51

and your psychology is the

39:51

biggest thing. It's how you see

39:56

yourself when you wake up in the

39:56

morning. And it's this thing

40:00

Good actors, they get a roll.

40:00

They don't give up. There was a

40:03

guy gibca Diesel, The Thin Red

40:03

Line. And don't forget the

40:08

interview. He said, I'm sleeping

40:08

in my car. I was so broke. He

40:13

didn't give up. He got the movie

40:13

Thin Red Line. Bad that made

40:17

him. Do you just don't know you

40:17

don't give up? Yes. So many

40:21

actors out there that are good.

40:21

There's so many musicians that

40:24

are good. You don't quit.

40:24

Anybody could quit. Quit

40:29

quitting is for losers. So

40:32

you got to

40:32

be a winner. Yeah, yeah. And you

40:35

have to believe that you're a winner. Yeah.

40:38

yourself? Yes. Oh, my

40:41

God. You're

40:41

making me like so motivated

40:44

right now. I love it. I should

40:44

like have like a message from

40:48

you every morning, like saying

40:48

that you've got this today

40:52

is for your

40:52

team competing in the Olympics,

40:57

and you have to be ready.

40:57

Whether you sell or not that

41:00

gallery didn't sell your work.

41:00

You take it out after a couple

41:04

of years, and it settles

41:04

somewhere else. It's happened to

41:08

me a lot. You don't quit. You

41:08

keep going. You don't focus on

41:13

that. It's like it's done. It's

41:13

gone. Goodbye. I'm moving. I'm

41:18

doing it at all costs. Yeah.

41:18

Yeah.

41:23

I mean,

41:23

yeah. And you know, that makes

41:26

that that's very good point, you

41:26

know, life keeps going. I mean,

41:29

life doesn't have a pause

41:29

button. And, yeah, it's good to

41:34

take breaks every so often if

41:34

you really need it, to prevent

41:36

burnout. So you can keep going.

41:36

But definitely the love of doing

41:41

what you love is, you know, the

41:41

best fuel you can have you just,

41:46

yeah, you just keep going.

41:46

There's no pause button. It's

41:50

not that and speaking up,

41:50

because I've interviewed a lot

41:53

of artists, you know, in both

41:53

sides of I work with galleries

41:57

and love galleries and other artists were like, you know, I used to work at galleries. But

41:59

it turns out, you know, I work

42:01

better when I'm on my own. And

42:01

of course, there's pros and

42:03

cons. Right? So in the podcast,

42:03

I like to get, you know, all the

42:07

different perspectives on. Okay,

42:07

this is the thing that works for

42:11

me personally, whether it's

42:11

galleries or not. So I wanted to

42:16

know, for you personally, of

42:16

course, what has been the most

42:19

lucrative approach that you've

42:19

taken to sell your work hasn't

42:23

been just galleries hasn't been

42:23

Instagram or other social media?

42:28

What What combination do you

42:28

think has been the best for you?

42:32

I think all of

42:32

it. All of it. Don't, don't put

42:37

yourself in a box. So galleries

42:37

is somebody else's business. And

42:47

you know, you're taking a chance

42:47

that they are going to put you

42:51

in front of their collectors.

42:51

Some of the problems today that

42:55

I see with guy, I think in the

42:55

90s. So turn of the 21st

42:58

century, you know, there, they

42:58

were really good before the

43:02

whole social media thing. And I

43:02

think since social media came

43:07

out, as a business owner,

43:07

myself, I kind of can feel for,

43:13

you know, social media artists

43:13

are able to sell on their own

43:16

right now. But of course, they

43:16

have to find the collectors

43:19

that's very difficult to do,

43:19

I've done it. And I have done,

43:24

you know, in the past year, I do

43:24

have those collectors that have

43:27

seen my work through Instagram.

43:27

And so that's why I focus on

43:32

Instagram, or I read about them,

43:32

and then I went to the event

43:38

that they were at, and I didn't

43:38

say anything to them, I just got

43:42

to know them. And, you know, I

43:42

became I guess very extroverted.

43:47

As I got older, I was more

43:47

introverted when I was younger.

43:51

And then after gymnastics, I

43:51

would say in my 30s, I started

43:55

to come into my own and then in

43:55

my 40s, now I'm selling and so I

44:00

found that you have to get along

44:00

with people, you have to network

44:04

by just becoming their friend.

44:04

You have to build relationships.

44:08

With business. It's all about

44:08

build relationships, whether

44:11

it's with a gallery, with a

44:11

collector, on Instagram, you

44:16

know, some people just want

44:16

people to like their work and

44:20

follow them, but they never

44:20

comment. Or like your work.

44:27

There's a lot of people like

44:27

that. So it's gotta be

44:30

reciprocal. You have to build

44:30

relationships doesn't matter how

44:33

many followers that person has.

44:33

So I tried to do that. I tried

44:38

to build relationships with some

44:38

galleries. I felt like I wasn't

44:41

ready because I wanted to find

44:41

my voice. Now I am. So that's

44:46

why I went with Joshua. When

44:46

nobody asked me to do a solo

44:49

show. I said, Ah, I'm out of

44:49

inventory. I only have one piece

44:54

left. And I sold most of those

44:54

on my own. But I do want to be

44:59

in a gallery To because I think

44:59

both can be lucrative. If I am

45:06

in a gallery, and I'm assigned

45:06

to a gallery if I have a

45:10

collector that goes to the

45:10

gallery, you know, I always

45:14

click the gallery 50% I don't

45:14

undercut the gallery, I think

45:18

that's wrong to do. Somebody

45:18

asked me, you don't take 50% of

45:22

your prices? No, no, absolutely

45:22

not. I do exactly what my

45:25

gallery would do. If my god if

45:25

it wasn't seen in my gallery,

45:29

and it's my client. And I'm not

45:29

represented by a gallery, I'm

45:32

just a guest. Or as I can sell

45:32

my work on my own, there is no

45:35

contract, right? So I do give

45:35

them I start with 10%. And, you

45:41

know, I won't give more than,

45:41

you know, some galleries that

45:45

have asked me can you go 20%,

45:45

but I pet it enough so that I

45:49

feel like if I'm gonna give up

45:49

50%, that I'm still making

45:52

money, especially if I have to

45:52

ship it to God, it's very hard

45:56

to do your homework, find the

45:56

right Gallery and the right

45:59

galleries that really believes

45:59

in you that wants to sell your

46:03

work? Well, you know, I think

46:03

everybody's trying to figure out

46:06

the landscape. And how to render

46:06

that landscape for their

46:12

business. Yeah. And until, dude,

46:12

I totally get it, like social

46:18

media changed everything. So

46:18

they're trying to figure it out,

46:21

you're trying to figure it out.

46:21

I think, being with the gallery,

46:26

being my mother was a business

46:26

owner, I'm a business owner, you

46:30

know, if I had a staff, I would

46:30

want them to be loyal to me.

46:34

Absolutely. They absolutely have

46:34

the right, I'm definitely Pro

46:38

Gallery. But you have to pick

46:38

the right one that works for

46:43

you. But there are some

46:43

excellent galleries out there

46:47

that have artists for a long

46:47

time. And that artist for a long

46:54

time, and they always give them

46:54

a solo show, and they do quite

46:56

well with them. And those are

46:56

the ones that you want to strive

46:59

to be in. That's the struggle of

46:59

artists, whether they're younger

47:04

or older, you can be older and

47:04

breaking into the business.

47:07

There's no such thing as age,

47:07

age is the number. You know, you

47:12

can develop work and be quite

47:12

good. At 80 years old, you don't

47:16

have to start when you're five.

47:16

It all depends on the time you

47:20

put in, you have to look at me.

47:20

I went on the hamster wheel and

47:23

I'm trying to catch up. And I

47:23

think I'm there I caught up. To

47:28

a certain extent I wish I had 40

47:28

more years in this. Maybe I do I

47:32

don't know. But I think you have

47:32

to try all of it and see what

47:36

works the best. But I think

47:36

having a lot of different venues

47:42

to try out is good friend of

47:42

mine, Francine Kriegers, a

47:47

friend of mine, and you know,

47:47

she's done a i i don't have any

47:52

problem with that. As long as

47:52

they're not saying it's a

47:54

painting, you know, they should

47:54

have their own venue and be able

47:58

to sell their work their artists

47:58

too. But I tend to like

48:02

traditional work. And she goes

48:02

into auctions. And I said oh,

48:06

really? She said no, it was a

48:06

lower price point. I said, Well,

48:09

maybe I can do studies that are

48:09

like six by nine or eight by 10.

48:13

Like realism live, I put this

48:13

little small five by five inch

48:17

painting in there their auction

48:17

because I was part of the

48:21

faculty this year. And it's

48:21

sold. And I've had it for a few

48:26

years now. You know, my thought

48:26

Why didn't I think of doing

48:29

that? You know, so you can never

48:29

know. You can try everything. If

48:33

that doesn't work, try something

48:33

else. Put that painting

48:36

somewhere. Maybe they don't hit

48:36

that collector base, right?

48:41

Yeah.

48:46

Exactly. No,

48:46

you got to try all the avenues

48:48

that you can, especially as an

48:48

artist, you know, it's good to

48:51

have you know, income coming in

48:51

from different directions,

48:53

especially because, you know,

48:53

since you are the producer of

48:57

your own work, there are times

48:57

when maybe like, you don't have

49:00

any more work, right? You just

49:00

did a show, maybe you sold all

49:03

the pieces and now okay, you're

49:03

good on money, but now you have

49:06

to build up that collection

49:06

again. So maybe you need, you

49:10

know, maybe you teach some

49:10

workshops, maybe you sell some

49:12

prints, maybe like there are so

49:12

many options, which I love that

49:16

you mentioned, you know,

49:16

especially gallery etiquette

49:19

that is so important to learn.

49:19

But yeah, I also wanted to know

49:25

if you have any upcoming shows

49:25

or exhibitions that you'd like

49:29

to talk about. Yeah,

49:31

so I bohemian

49:31

spirits atashi gallery sell

49:34

through November 18. And I have

49:34

a show. I was between names I

49:41

didn't know but I finally told

49:41

the director I said it's called

49:43

metamorphosis and the reason why

49:43

I chose that name and surname

49:47

and repainting I just sold but

49:47

it resonates with me because

49:50

it's like transitioning, and we

49:50

morph from one thing into

49:55

another. So in this show, I've

49:55

done some musicians from The

50:00

Jersey Shore down under that a

50:00

female artists, they're pretty

50:03

well known. And I have a few of

50:03

those paintings and she said I

50:09

would love to give you a solo

50:09

show at Monmouth University in

50:13

the pollack theater that a

50:13

Pollock theory is where all the

50:17

concerts happen. And they have a

50:17

little hole, a big hallway that

50:22

leads to in the theater. So

50:22

among the walls that lead into

50:27

the concert hall, the stage

50:27

right in the theater, and

50:32

Crosby, Stills and Nash, Van

50:32

Morrison, all of these shows go

50:36

on, and some of these women have

50:36

Clinton, a lot of them have

50:40

played there. And they're

50:40

amazing artists. They're

50:43

professionals. But they're just

50:43

like us. They're going out on

50:48

tour. They're they're trying

50:48

everything because people stream

50:52

today. And it's much harder.

50:52

They're not selling albums. So

50:55

they have to go on tour, because

50:55

that's the way to make money,

50:58

aside from session planning,

50:58

right? And so the director said,

51:02

I love Do you still have this

51:02

painting and that painting? I

51:05

said, Yeah, I do. I keep it just

51:05

in case. So I need to have 25

51:09

paintings, but I can use the

51:09

work that I already have to put

51:13

in the show. And I'll be

51:13

painting for more paintings by

51:17

February. I got one week break.

51:17

Oh, man, I need, I'm gonna take

51:24

this smaller, I already have the

51:24

photoshoots done. And because I

51:28

knew that this was going to be

51:28

on my To Do lists, I shot them

51:33

the same time I was shooting for

51:33

myself. OSHA was aimed, right.

51:38

So I'm like, Okay, today, 10

51:38

hours is just shooting and

51:41

getting them and getting the

51:41

idea and compose them on all my

51:44

downtime, I already have the

51:44

compositions in the computer to

51:48

go on campus. I did that over

51:48

the summer, a couple of days

51:52

where I gave myself downtime,

51:52

you figure out ways like today

51:55

I'm a little tired to pain, I

51:55

need a break. But let me sit

51:58

behind a computer and do this.

51:58

So you change like maybe what

52:02

you wrote down, you're gonna do

52:02

that thing. And you change your

52:05

production schedule. To so that

52:05

you stay on, you know, next

52:09

year, you don't wait to the last

52:09

minute, you're already thinking

52:13

way ahead of the game, you have

52:13

to think that way. Or you get

52:15

yourself in trouble and you get

52:15

burned out. So how are we ready

52:18

to go and just have one more

52:18

photo shoot to do in December,

52:22

and then compose you know, come

52:22

up with the composition. And I

52:27

aim to have old boards on

52:27

smaller, there'll be maybe 16 by

52:32

20. By by February there might

52:32

even be smaller so that I'm not

52:37

killing myself with 20 by 30 or

52:37

24. By 36. you strategize how do

52:42

I execute this. So that shows

52:42

coming up. middle of March I

52:50

think Oh, Women's History Month,

52:50

to May, the opening is April 26.

52:58

And I'll send out invites to

52:58

anybody that lives around the

53:01

Jersey Shore or in the tri state

53:01

area. If they'd like to come to

53:04

that it'd be good. The reason

53:04

why it's going to be good is all

53:08

those women that are in my show,

53:08

they're going to do a concert

53:11

right after the exhibit

53:11

reception. So from six to eight

53:16

is the reception from 815. So

53:16

whenever is the concert, we're

53:21

trying to get a scholarship

53:21

funds started for women artists

53:26

only whether they're visual

53:26

artists performing artists,

53:29

musicians, because they can't

53:29

afford to go to school at

53:32

Monmouth University. So we'll

53:32

know I think by next week, if

53:36

the board approves of a

53:36

scholarship fund, it's a little

53:39

tricky to get it approved up. So

53:39

I'm hoping that they can do that

53:44

because that would be amazing.

53:44

That she first when she

53:47

mentioned it, she said it was

53:47

doable, but now she has to run

53:50

it by the board. So if that

53:50

happens, that would be amazing.

53:55

Because I feel very strongly

53:55

that oh, he had a lot of money.

53:59

I'm still paying off my student

53:59

loan. Not having my parents paid

54:03

off for me or my husband that

54:03

makes a lot of money paid off

54:07

for me. I've always paid my own

54:07

way my own car, my own

54:10

everything. And it's not easy.

54:10

It's very difficult, but I think

54:14

it builds character and it makes

54:14

the problem solve how do we get

54:18

out of this one?

54:20

That's very

54:20

true. That's so exciting. And oh

54:22

my gosh, so much work. Oh,

54:22

that's incredible work.

54:27

And you know,

54:27

I started a I started up my art

54:30

mentorship program. I'm going to

54:30

put in for workshops. In

54:36

Scottsdale, I have a workshop

54:36

coming up in the spring painting

54:41

hair. That's a zoom online I

54:41

need to put that up on my

54:44

website which is www dot Nancy

54:44

Krantz does.com You can also see

54:50

current things on my Instagram,

54:50

Nancy France VAs all of the

54:55

social media platforms is my

54:55

name Nancy France best keep it

54:58

really simple, really easy. wait

54:58

for people to find me. And times

55:03

your workshops and you'll see

55:03

the mentorship program and

55:06

that's one on one. It's

55:06

personalized and customized for

55:10

what you want to learn on any

55:10

level that you are beginner to

55:14

advanced. Beautiful.

55:16

Oh my gosh,

55:16

that's so exciting. Well, thank

55:19

you so much, Nancy, for giving

55:19

us some of your precious time.

55:23

Again, you're so busy, and I'm

55:23

so grateful to have you.

55:27

You're welcome. And so nice to meet you. Finally,

55:30

you too.

55:30

Yeah. After somebody runs some

55:32

correspondence.

55:34

Have a happy

55:34

Thanksgiving in a road

55:37

Christmas, happy Hanukkah,

55:37

whatever you celebrate. And I

55:41

hope to see you when the new

55:41

year. Yeah, thanks for asking me

55:44

to come on. Of

55:45

course. Yes.

55:45

And I might ask you again in the

55:47

future.

55:49

Definitely do

55:49

one. Yeah,

55:52

please. Thank you.