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We are back for week two of our B-Man Amplified Tour at North Carolina Central University.

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We're still live and in full effect here.

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We had an amazing panel discussion with Dr Sierra Roach-Gerald and future Dr Jayla Calhoun.

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I'm your host, Dr Jasmine Weiss.

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Let's jump right into the episode.

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There's not many full-scope pediatrics.

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Everybody's kind of shifting into like you either do hospital, you do clinic, but not necessarily all of it anymore.

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It's funny that you say that because in the next year I plan to transition to just hospital work because I'm tired of doing both.

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So but that's kind of how my day usually is.

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But I also do a lot of teaching.

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I teach like NRP, I work with the residents.

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I actually have to prepare a lecture for them for Thursday.

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It really just depends on the day with me.

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So I also do a little locums too.

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So, like this weekend, I went to like another hospital and covered for them.

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They're not necessarily in the country, but usually it's a lot of small hospitals that need coverage, whether people are out sick or they just don't have a doctor right now, and so it really just depends on my day but but actually kind of do a little bit of everything throughout the day.

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It's a pretty busy day. So for me, as a medical student, our first two years at UNC are like book work, more didactic learning stuff.

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So for me me, eight to 12 every day I'm a class goer.

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We don't have mandatory class. I know it changed for the new curriculum, but for us we didn't have mandatory class.

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So eight to 12 I would go, though, and then I would take a small break.

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And let's say it's a Wednesday, so I have PCC, which is our patient centered care course, where we would talk about like clinical care.

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Um and I we would do that from two to five and then go home and probably study for a couple hours, get ready for the next day.

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We were saying that my schedule's changed because I've been studying for one of our big exams for the past like two months, and so now my schedule has been like wake up at 8 am and study to five.

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So but one thing I want to add in there is don't forget to cherish the things that are important to you.

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Um. So, throughout, like medical school, throughout, um, even undergrad for me through residency um, going to church was important to me, um, so I always fit that in in and had that in my schedule.

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I'm also an OCD person. Don't ask my husband how many schedules I make and it's a little bit crazy.

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But whatever is important to you, make sure you have time for that.

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Whether it's family, children visiting family, make sure you set down that time for those important things.

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Whether it's reading 30 minutes or watching your favorite TV show, whatever it is that matters to you, because that's going to keep you sane, and so, whatever it is, don't forget to add that into your schedule.

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Exercise forgot about that, but you know, don't forget to add all that stuff in there.

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I love that, especially because as you go there will be times where you can't do as much of what you love, and then there'll be other times where you can fit it in more.

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But the whole time you got to try to find at least a little window to spend time with family, friends.

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For me, prayer, like you said, faith, going to church was big for me too.

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And then from a studying perspective I know you mentioned, you know you said eight to five.

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You said it kind of quietly Sorry, but when you're studying for your step exams.

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it takes that much dedication and to your point of going to class.

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Some people will be okay with virtual in med school but for me I was a class goer too, so I felt like going to have the material.

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I would listen to the lectures that were you know given to us, but then go to class because it helped, to the lectures that were you know given to us but didn't go to class because it helped.

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So ultimately I say I'd have to say find what works for you all with studying, because it will be a step up from what you're doing now to medical school.

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The amount of studying you have to do really does change.

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So building on those study habits early is important, for sure.

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Like you might have a whole semester here. You're going to get that in like two weeks.

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Yeah, that's two or three weeks, um, it's gonna be like one, two, one test, um, and so you gotta, and you're gonna have four or five of those classes like that um, and so, whatever study habits that are good or bad, um, as you're trying to, you know, figure out what works for you, um, start working on them, building those um, and it's not gonna be I'm gonna to start studying at 8pm the night before the test, because you might as well cancel it.

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It ain't going to work. Just don't go, don't take that Absolutely so.

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I have one. If you had to leave these individual students with one parting word of wisdom before they ask some questions, what would you leave them with?

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And then I have one last bolus round question.

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I'll explain in a minute too.

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I guess I would say pray, be consistent, enjoy what you do and just continue to push yourself, continue to strive high.

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I would say that there is value in your perspective and always know that you have value in your perspective.

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So, going forward, always be confident and stay true to yourself.

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I love that. I love that. And so the bonus round is something we do on the Be Mad podcast, where we ask some rapid fire fun questions, and so I'm just going to ask you all a few of those fun questions and then we'll go ahead and have you all ask questions, and to do that I'll have you actually stand up, say your name, what year you are in your major and then ask your question.

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But before that we'll do our bonus round, all right.

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So I know you ladies are both basketball fans.

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I am too. It's amazing that we're all great ladies, exactly.

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So you know Don Staley just won.

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But who? Who is your favorite player and why do you admire them?

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Oh, kobe all day. I might have cried for a day after he died, but Kobe all day.

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But yeah, I'm a big basketball fan, but definitely Kobe.

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The work ethic, everything is just amazing.

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I would. I would say Kobe too, but I don't want to be like a copier so um.

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I'm gonna say Dirk Nowitzki, just because I've always like admired his play style.

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That was kind of like the vibe of my play style and I just think being able to not be the most athletic person and be able to do the things that he did was really impressive to me.

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I love that, love that okay you already know I'm a Steph Curry fan, but but greatest shooter of all time, so I'll just leave it at that.

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Wait, you're a fan. Because he's North Carolina, I'm a fan because he's North Carolina and.

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Charlotte, and I was a shooter too. I was a shooting guard, so you know he was the perfect person to look up to, even though he played point guard.

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So so if you had one meal you could eat for a month, just one meal, what would that be?

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I'm not going to lie Pizza. There you go it's my go-to Pizza Pizza.

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Okay.

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Okay, I'm going to sound really weird Chili.

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Okay, why chili?

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I don't know you can eat it with crackers with it, you can have a whole meal.

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Okay cool, I love it.

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Okay, and top two movies of all time for you? Oh, go ahead.

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I was going to say Love and Basketball, but I ain't got a second.

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I'm like, yeah, she told me to give me two.

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Okay, Love and Basketball is one I ain't on a second Okay, I like Lady Sing the Blues because my mom really liked it and she loved Diana Ross and Slumdog Millionaire.

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Okay, okay, I guess I'll give. Mine is Coming to America and I have three.

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That's unfortunate you make I'll give you one.

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Harlem Nights if y'all haven't seen that before, and Remember the Titans, I just love that movie.

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For some reason, I feel so sad.

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It's been sad. And then my last question for you all is I want you to shout out any business and tell us more about your entrepreneurship side, and then, jayla, for you, you can shout out anything you want to do in your future that you may not have been able to accomplish it okay.

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So. So I did the UNC leadership and public health degree.

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For one, I thought I want to open my own like practice rural medicine for low-income families After starting businesses with my husband.

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I cannot say I want to open another business right now, even though we have three, but I can't say I want to open another one.

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But that was kind of the purpose of going down that path was to kind of see, I kind of started at CC Baller.

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I got out of the army. I had like two months before I started another job and, I ain't gonna lie, I was just bored, I ain't had nothing to do.

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Um, you can't just give me this much time, um.

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And so that's when I started to mentor and then kind of just reaching back, um, and it's pretty much what I do, like I do a lot with like residents and stuff like that, and so that kind of does the income of it.

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But, um, I just like coming to like events like this, just mentoring, um networking with people, um motivating people, going to conferences, stuff like that.

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So, um, and the other one is, um, aspiring Mind Snapshot.

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I don't know how we came up with it, but we went to a selfie museum when it was a big thing like five years ago or I guess three or four years ago, and we fell in love with the idea, started one in Danville.

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Then we ended up. He actually thought of the idea of doing it mobile and doing festivals.

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And again, I love kids, so we go to all the like kids festivals, children's festivals, and so that's how that branched off and then we ended up selling the um, and so that's how that branched off, and then we end up selling the shop, um, and so we don't do like the shop anymore and we just do festivals.

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Um, yeah, the residency graduation we're about to do, so we just do events like that, um, and so something that's totally not medical.

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Um, that's fun and I just love it.

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Okay, my bad, my bad, I'm sorry.

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No, yeah, that's a lot to follow. That's a Disney life, I think.

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For me, I want to be able to, in the future, leverage my position, like you guys are doing, to empower younger generations and generations coming behind you as well as that, I just want to make it to clinicals and being able to actually practice some of the things that I've been learning over the past couple of years and then leave the country.

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I want to leave the country. I've only done that once, I went to the Bahamas, so I want to do it again.

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Love, that love that well, we'll allow you all to ask questions at this point and I'll just add, like your finish physician entrepreneur bug is one that I too have, and I think what is unique about what we get to do, people don't realize.

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Your journey to medicine is long and then you get to explore who you are as a physician and what you want to do and what, how you want to impact the world.

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So for your mentoring, for going to festivals and and and being with the children it all kind of feels like the similar thread of wanting to really be there to help kids.

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For me, impacting black and brown communities with events like this or children's books about career exploration, you can really do a lot.

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So as you all move through your journeys, don't forget to stay true to who you are, because those things will come back with more time for you to pursue in the future.

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So with that, does anybody have a question?

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all right, we'll go here first, so I'll have you stand up and my future goals is trauma medicine and trauma surgery, things like that.

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My question is why did y'all get a master's degree before you went to med school and what you recommended Like, what's the pros and cons of getting a master's degree before you get an MBA?

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Okay, so for me I'm gonna be honest.

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I finished undergrad in three years and I did not know how to get to where I wanted to go at that point and I was 20, I think.

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So I was just really young and I had a lot of growing up to do my master's degree.

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I don't think it boosted my my application in regards to like them looking at like grades or GPA, because my GPA here was really good it was.

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I think it was a 4.0. Um, it was more about the experiences that I had during that time period and again, I could really speak to those experiences in my interview because they were meaningful to me um being in the lab, um scribing with Dr Weiss, um, I did a couple other things as well, but yeah in just case anybody't know.

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But you have to start applying a year early, so you have to finish your applications beginning of your senior year, and so I actually got my master's last year.

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I was already done and because I went through the Army, I had a GI Bill and so they give you a lot of months and I was trying to figure out how to use it because I didn't have a child or anybody to pass it to.

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Did you say what your master's was in?

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Leadership in practice, like in medicine.

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So it was in public health, it was in that field, and so that's why I kind of got one.

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And also, I always wanted to be a Tar Heel, but the two other schools gave me full rides so I hadn't made it to Chapel Hill yet so that's kind of how I got into the master's program but yeah, so mine wasn't to like advance anything.

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It was kind of something. I don't know if people say fun, but kind of something fun to do and I just finished it.

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I love that For me, I got my master's after residency as well, and so the pros and cons to each I would say for me getting it after training.

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I knew how I wanted to use it, so I knew I had gone through pediatric residency and I wanted to focus on how do I impact patients more than just one patient at a time, one visit at a time.

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So getting my masters in health sciences allowed me to go to Yale to do two years of learning, kind of the research aspect of things, and now I do medical education research and so if you do it beforehand it's still an awesome experience.

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You can get a lot of exposure to population health.

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If you do public health, some people do health care administration because they think they want to go into the business side of medicine.

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Some people even get their MBA because they want to do the business side of medicine.

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So it's a lot of different opportunities and it's all about what makes the most sense for where you see your career in the future as well and you can do, and MPH programs as well, or MD, phd if you're crazy to do it for like eight years.

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So there's different tracks you can do. It doesn't have to be like traditional track and some of the like MD, mph, like ECU.

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You can do it where you do your first two years, you'll do your MPH the third year and then you go back and finish your clinicals.

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That is also how I do it at UNC.

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Okay, so there's different options for how to do it.

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Let's jump right back into the episode.

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And even though those MD-PhD programs are long they are long, they are a lot of them will pay for you to go to school the whole time.

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So if it's something you are interested in and you wanna do both the PhD side, you've gotta be really passionate about doing that side, to do a dual degree like that.

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But that's another option as well.

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All right, you had a question, okay.

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Hi, my name is Genevieve, I'm a first year sophomore and right now I think I don't really know, I guess, where I want to go.

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I have been looking into the trauma surgery side, though, but actually adding on to the MPPH subject right now, because my major is clinical research, so I have an interest in research.

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And I actually have done my research on, like different programs and being PhD and all of that, and I wanted to be a physician scientist and I realized that you have to get your MD, phd.

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But I was going to ask um, I actually had two questions.

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I was going to ask is there like any other track or any other way that you could still, I guess, pursue research with just MD?

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Or if I could, I guess, get any other degree or anything else and still pursue research as I'm pursuing my career?

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And also, what challenges do you all face within your workplace, whether it's you being a black woman or just like in your occupation?

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in general.

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So I can't necessarily answer all the research I don't necessarily do a lot of like bench research.

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But having just an MD, a lot of times you like if you were to go like on Indeed and look you can just have an MD and get a lot of those research jobs.

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Some of them want you to have PhD as well but MD like qualifies you to work at like Johnson Johnson, because there's a lot of different ways that people don't realize that you can work and so you could go and actually do like bench research at Thompson Johnson or maybe you're just in charge of your clinical studies and stuff like that.

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So there's a lot of different pathways that you could do.

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I wouldn't limit to yourself that if you only got an MD PhD, that's the only way you could do it.

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I wouldn't limit yourself. I would honestly apply to both programs Just MD and MD PhD.

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That's the only way you could do it. I wouldn't limit yourself. I would honestly apply to both programs just MD and MD PhD and see which one kind of once you interview, talk to them and see which one fits you more, and so not limit yourself.

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What was the second part?

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Oh, the workplace. No matter what your major is.

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No matter what you do in life, I think you're going to always have struggles being a minority and then being a female, and then when you have both, I think you're always just going to have issues and I don't think you're going to ever necessarily get out of that.

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No matter how much cultural competence we teach, how much diversity we teach, we're still going to have those battles, right, um, and I don't think there's any other than you can teach your peers about things, um, but you're still going to have either the bias or the stereotypes or or whatever, um, they may go through or you may go through.

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You're you're going to always have those. I would be very naive if I said that in 2050, we're never gonna have that we're still gonna have issues.

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It might be different, because I would even say that the LGBTQ community is having more of the issues than not necessarily more, but they're more in the spotlight now and having more issues like oh, can you be a doctor, are you a man or a woman?

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I think they get more criticism than I might as a black female, and so I think it's just going to change how society views things.

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But, just again, being resilient, having having your support system and knowing that you're you're important, that you're worth, it is going to be valuable.

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And figuring out how to get through that, because you're going to, unfortunately, face it and there's not a master's course on how to get through it, because you're never going to know how it's going to come at you.

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Sometimes it comes from the high, from the CEO, and sometimes it comes from the person that was just sitting at lunch with you that you thought was your colleague, so you don't know where it's ever gonna attack you at.

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Sorry, that was a downer I want to pick you back off that for the question regarding research so you don't have to have your PhD at all to have to do research, like that's the definitive answer.

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There's so many types of research and so I encourage you all to explore all the different types, because I think a lot of students that I talk with they think basic science, laboratory, is the only type of research and so I say, get those experiences because you really might like being in a lab.

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Right, I got to do an internship where I was working with asthma and mouse lungs.

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It was fun, but that wasn't necessarily what I wanted to do, but I learned that by doing the experience.

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So if you can get internships to help you decide, like, do you like laboratory research or do you like patient interactions, where a physician is trying to decide if this intervention after a knee injury is better than another intervention, right, those are clinical experiences.

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When we say that, we mean direct patient problems with solutions in more of the clinical setting, some people like to do or think about medication trials as research that you can do and you don't have to have your PhD to do those things.

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But as a resident, you are exposed.

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Med student you're exposed. Med student you're exposed. Residency you're exposed.

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And if you really want to do specific types, if you specialize and do fellowships, then they really have another kind of set of years where you learn the research skills that go along with doing research as a physician without the PhD.

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So that's just something I wanted to add.

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In terms of microaggressions and bias, you're going to encounter it to your point, dr Rochard, every step of the way.

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You know, at an HBCU you don't think about it as much.

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But when you go to wherever you go, if you go to another HBCU, that's one thing.

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But if you go to the next level, you're going to experience people who will ask you silly things, things like why are you here, how did you get here?

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And I say the same way you got here right, like I'm just gonna tell you this, like I tried not to, um, it can get to you right.

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I've had experiences where I've had to go to my deans and experiences of hearing people say the N-word, patients say the N-word, or hearing other physicians not sticking up for someone else, or your attending or supervising doctor not making the right decision and, when you are in the room, about how to maneuver these scenarios.

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So the big thing is don't live in it alone, don't sit with it by yourself, and make sure you reach out to your Dean's or advisors and now, for me it's not a Dean or advisor, but I have a colleague.

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When we go through things, we get together and eat lunch and talk, talk junk about what we're dealing with.

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So ultimately, having someone to talk to about it and if it's bad enough, you you may have to escalate it.

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That's okay too. Don't be afraid to do that, because each institution you go to will have a mechanism for you to report these things and they want to know when things like this are happening so they can try to correct them, and they do correct them, whether that's behind the scenes, and you may not know the severity, but I know that some of the things that we encountered as residents and as students were corrected.

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So don't be afraid to speak up good questions other questions okay, I'm studying biomedical science.

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I have two questions one about the finance programs that but I'm talking more clinical, so I'm not with that research.

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Let's do it clinically, but finding more programs like that and how to get into them.

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And then about the business aspect.

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You were talking about starting to own, like pediatrician's insurance and stuff like that, and I like to entertain the idea of starting my own birth insurance one day.

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I was just wondering how to find more information.

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I'm gonna tackle the second one last. I have my own thoughts on birth centers, but that's me as a pediatrician having thoughts on birth centers.

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But that was the first question I forgot.

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Oh, programs.

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So Google is one big thing.

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The last time I looked and this is not just minority there was at least like 60 programs out there.

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So the MED there's one before the MED it's like SD something it's SMBEP.

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There you go, smbep so you have to do that one before the MED, and so both of those are there and they're like minority programs.

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So, like UNC has one, I think Duke has one.

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There's a lot of schools. New Jersey has one.

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Ecu is called Summer Program for Future Doctors.

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They have one. I don't know what Wake Forest has, but those are the other three medical schools and what they have, but all of them will have.

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If you just Google summer programs for future doctors, you will get it like.

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Or dentists, if anybody's interested in doing dentists's, the SMDP does future physician and dentist.

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I can't remember pharmacist is covered in there, but pharmacist has their own one and Campbell has a summer program that one of my girls did.

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And so just looking them up like that or even just going to the different medical school website and they'll have summer programs or summer opportunities and stuff like that, the ones just going to the different medical school website and they'll have summer programs or some opportunities and stuff like that.

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Um, the ones that are in the area, if that's and if this isn't home, they have them in maryland, wherever home is.

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Um, if you want to do it closer to home, um, private practice, I don't know, that's a whole nother beast.

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Um, I can't say that I've mastered that one yet. I haven't 100 decided if I'm gonna ever go down that path, because that's a whole other beast.

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I can't say that I've mastered that one yet. I haven't 100% decided if I'm gonna ever go down that path, because it's a lot of work.

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So you have the business side of it and then you have the medical side of it.

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So the medical side, for the most part I could say it's pretty easy for us, right, you'll start to get it, you'll get that side.

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But this is the business making sure you're having a profit, making sure that you work in an insurance company.

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So that part of it I'm not looking forward to.

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So that part is hard. So what I was talking about was the FQHC Federal Qualified Health Center and those are usually like outpatient clinics, not usually like like birth in centers, but those are usually more like outpatient to provide those services and they're usually in.

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So if I would say here, like Bruggemont or maybe something outside of Durham, that's doesn't have, really it's nothing you mean the FQHC?

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No, like a city.

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Oh.

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I'm thinking of a city.

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But it'd be a city that doesn't have like resources oh Siler, okay Siler, that would be another city.

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So it would be those small cities that don't really have like they might not even have a clinic.

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And that's how you can get federal funding to be able to move that forward, get federal funding for that.

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I've never really looked up how to do a birthing center, but okay, I can't not ignore it.

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But my pediatric side they sometimes have high complication rates because they allow babies to go home in four hours and you usually watch babies for at least that first 24, 48 hours.

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And so they had one in Raleigh when I was stationed, at least that first 24 or 48 hours. And so they had one in like Raleigh.

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When I was stationed at Fort Bragg I hated it. I'm glad it closed because they had like five or six deaths for neonatal deaths in like six months and so that's why I'm a little biased and I don't like birthing centers, gotcha.

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But yeah, so that's why I'm a little biased because I am totally for midwives going to the house and all that stuff.

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But I think those things you also have to monitor the patients and they usually won't get monitored and everybody doesn't qualify for being in a birthing center, and if you have complications you shouldn't go to a birthing center, and so that's what was going on with that.

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I think somebody's trying to get in here.

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I will add. I know a lot of OBs that have private practices but then they are connected or they have privileges at hospitals.

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So there are more than there are people that had their own private practices in OB.

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They just have a different way of connecting.

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I think I wanted to start my own practice at one point but, to your point, the business side is a big, big part of it, and so you've got academic medicine, which is working at a medical school, and what that looks like is much different in how you spend your time because you do a lot more teaching.

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So for me it's resident teaching. I see patients a few days a week.

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I do research at a private practice A lot of times it's predominantly all patient care, and so some people have started what's called direct primary care or direct to the consumer.

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So they don't operate the same way.

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Like, I have a really good friend who's a family medicine physician who owns her own DPC type practice and she loves that because she sets her own schedule.

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She's connected to the insurance companies so the families pay a payment model, like they pay a monthly membership fee to be a part of her practice, and she absolutely loves that model.

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So there's a way for you to kind of explore and these are some of the things you'll you'll have the opportunity to explore if you continue to ask the questions at every step, because somebody will be able to like let you actually see behind the scenes of what it's like to have one.

29:55

So that's a great question as well and then you also have, like, recruitment, because just because you open the clinic doesn't mean patients are going to come running.

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You have recruitment. You have marketing, which is a lot what we learned.

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I'm doing business marketing is hard it's extremely hard and so because you have to have the time for it and so I'm not knocking it.

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I would love it. But then some.

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Another avenue is like buying outside us retiring or getting rid of like a practice.

30:25

That's another avenue that people go in. There's a lot of competition with employee base, like offices and clinics, like if you guys just drive around you'll start to see that all of them say UNC or Duke.

30:37

Right, there's not really many mom-and-pops private practice because they're getting balled out.

30:41

You have to be able to keep up with the UNC and Duke's and so health care is going in an interesting way.

30:47

I'm not saying that private practice is not the way, but we're definitely going in a shift right now and it's just interesting where it will be.

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But definitely networking and talking to people about that, because it's a lot to go into, and it's a lot when you go into medicine, opening up practice, then hey, I'm gonna open my own own salon.

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There's a lot more to go into it, especially the medical legal side great questions, great questions.

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We'll take one last question and then you'll have plenty of time to ask your questions during our networking portion parents and I am a second year master's student here at Central and my question was I know you guys talked about staying true to yourself, like going to church and living in family, but what are ways that you prevent burnout, specifically within your career and your specialty and also medical school?

31:42

That's a great question Want to tackle it.

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Well, okay, yeah, I can say, for me it's just doing those things that I know calm my mind, that really relax me.

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I'm a very anxious person, I have anxiety and I can run myself into the ground before I even know it, and for me it's just taking that moment, if it's five minutes at the end of the day, to just close my eyes and to just let it all go.

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If you have to get the Calm app, get the Calm app.

32:17

I have the Calm app. It's great. That was my app for the Calm app.

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But yeah, so I do have that, though, because sometimes I need something to calm my brain down.

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I have ADHD. My brain is going a mile a minute a lot of the time.

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So having something that's just some calm music in the corner, just sit here and relax, don't do anything for two minutes, just calm.

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If I can do that once a day, twice a day, I feel a lot better for me personally.

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I would say knowing that just because you go to because I know I dealt with this in medical school just because you go to church for an hour and a half does not mean you're going to fail your test.

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Okay, you can go to church for an hour and a half and you still will have enough time to study.

33:00

Okay, you probably wasted an hour and a half playing Monopoly.

33:04

Go on your phone like let's be honest, like so, don't like guilt yourself into, but sometimes you're gonna have to get that balance.

33:12

So I would actually went to the medical school where I was at home.

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I have my own apartment but like my family was there, but that support of them cooking me dinner sometimes and I had to worry about that aspect helped out.

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But knowing that sometimes, all right, I can't go to Coco's graduation party because I need to study for a test this weekend, or I can only go to this much part of the event, but I got to get back and discipline myself as well.

33:43

So don't miss out on every life thing, but some things, unfortunately, in Madison you're going to miss out on.

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You're not going to make it to every event in Madison you're going to miss out on.

33:51

You're not going to make it to every event, whether it's call schedules, school studying, tests.

33:56

You're going to miss some things. But just having that balance, I think that helps with burnout.

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But I don't do necessarily a lot of research on burnout, but sometimes I don't think it's 100% preventable.

34:08

Sometimes I think it's your body telling you it's time to move to something different.

34:14

You're burned out from. You know.

34:17

He may have gave him 200% and now I'm tired and I have nothing else to give.

34:21

I might have to step back, give myself some and then go somewhere else and figure out what I need to do.

34:29

I love that. I love everything you all said.

34:31

I think when you start to feel like you're getting overwhelmed, you have to figure out what grounds you and then you have to find the time for it.

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And so, even now, whether it's business or work or too much research or grants being due or patient care, you've got to find the 30-minute window where you do nothing or you talk to a friend or you take a walk, and it's up to you and you'll have to carve the time out.

34:56

So block it. I advise you to like, even as a med student or even for residents, when I tell them, if you're on a lighter rotation, put on your schedule that you're going to go exercise or you're going to go take a walk, because having it on your schedule, it feels like you have to do it a little bit more.

35:13

Um, so just making time for yourself, just like you put anything else on the calendar, because really, if you're not well, how are you going to help others?

35:19

And so that's the way to always keep that in the back of your mind.

35:22

so, um, you all have, go ahead.

35:25

Oh, I was gonna say and don't, don't. Um, I'm not saying run away after one problem, but some places are actually toxic and you may have to go to a different environment.

35:35

It is not you don't hear about it, but people transfer to residency programs all the time.

35:39

People transfer not necessarily medical schools as much, but people transfer all the time, like you may be in a toxic environment where they have so many microaggressions that you're not making it through the day.

35:50

I'm not saying stick through that, but just know sometimes there's different options out there.

35:58

And I'm not saying stay in a toxic place.

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But there's going to be a balance and every day is not going to be a great day.

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I wish I could say that. But every day is not going to be a great day, no matter.

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If there was a perfect job, I promise you we would all be fighting to get there.

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But there is no perfect job out there.

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So you're going to have good and bad, but you want to make sure, wherever you're at, the good weighs the bad, and when the bad starts to weigh in more, it might be time for you to find a new place.

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Sage words to end the night, Pam I know, I'm like talking to myself.

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But let's clap our hands for both of our panelists, you all were amazing.

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We hope you enjoyed this week's episode of the Be Med Podcast live at North Carolina Central University.

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This was part two, where we explored all the experiences of Dr Sierra, Rose, Gerald and future Dr Jayla Calhoun.

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If you enjoyed this episode, stay tuned for next week.

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Until next time, always remember to dream without limits.