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Sunday, 12th May 2024
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0:01

In 2007, TV network CBS

0:03

dropped 40 kids

0:05

in the middle of the New Mexico desert as

0:07

part of a brand new reality show. These kids

0:09

would have to build their own society from scratch.

0:11

And if this sounds like Lord of the Flies

0:14

to you, well, it was meant to. We

0:16

were on this mission together. We were going to prove

0:18

to the world that we could make a better society

0:21

than adults could. I'm Josh

0:23

Gwynn, and I want to know

0:25

what this wild TV experiment was

0:27

really about. Blitzgreen Kid

0:30

Nation, a six part podcast

0:32

from CBC, available now.

0:37

Frequency Podcast Network, stories

0:39

that matter, podcasts that resonate. Hey,

0:42

it's Jordan. Happy Sunday. And

0:45

here, as promised, is another one of

0:48

our favorite episodes that you may not

0:50

have heard. This

0:52

one's a little older. It's from August

0:54

of 2021. It's

0:57

a fascinating story to which I can

0:59

now share an update, which it will

1:02

become clear as you listen to

1:04

this tale is a little

1:06

bit of an amusing ending. Out

1:08

of 28 people that were charged

1:11

in the course of the story you're about

1:13

to hear, exactly one

1:16

was convicted. Last

1:18

year, Wei Dong was convicted

1:20

of storing firearms, including an AR-15,

1:22

in a careless manner,

1:26

and unlawfully possessing

1:28

overcapacity magazines. That's

1:31

it. He was sentenced to

1:33

a conditional discharge with 12 months of

1:35

probation for each charge and a weapons

1:37

prohibition order for 10 years. No

1:40

jail time. Enjoy

1:43

this twisted tale. You'll

1:47

probably remember hearing about

1:49

the story that's at the center of

1:51

today's episode. If you remember it,

1:54

you'll probably even imagine that you knew how

1:57

it ended. But you'd be wrong. I

2:00

will refresh your memory. Here you

2:02

go. It was an investigation

2:04

that lasted months, not a project

2:06

endgame by police. And police say

2:08

what they found inside was nothing

2:10

short of shocking. We arrested 29

2:13

people, including the owner operator,

2:16

and seized 11 firearms with

2:18

thousands of ammunition, gaming tables,

2:20

and machines, and one

2:23

million dollars of cash. That

2:26

was last September. It made

2:28

national headlines. The operation was

2:30

called Project Endgame, and it

2:32

was a massive bust of

2:35

what police allege was

2:37

an illegal casino and spa

2:39

operating in a Markham, Ontario

2:41

home. As you might

2:43

imagine, the police made a big

2:46

deal of this story. It

2:48

was a truly lavish bust, and that's

2:50

what they do. But even

2:52

as the charges were announced, things

2:54

were beginning to go sideways.

2:57

And now, almost a year later,

3:00

it appears the entire case

3:03

is in shambles. So what happened

3:06

to Project Endgame? I'm

3:13

Jordan Heathrowings. This is The Big Story. Leah

3:16

McLaren is a writer and reporter based

3:18

in Toronto. She has been following

3:20

this case for almost a year now, and

3:22

she wrote about it in Toronto Life. Hi,

3:25

Leah. Hi, how are you? I'm doing really

3:27

well, and this is a fascinating story. Maybe

3:30

you could just start by kind of centering

3:33

us. Tell me about the house on

3:35

Dacoursi Court. Where is it? What is

3:37

it like? Well,

3:39

I've never been there, personally,

3:41

but from what

3:44

I have gleaned from many real

3:46

estate listings and Google Maps

3:49

is that basically it's what

3:51

you would call a giant

3:53

McMansion on a very

3:56

sort of exclusive secluded

3:58

cul-de-sac in the United States. Markham

4:00

and Markham

4:03

as most of your listeners

4:05

probably know has a huge

4:08

proportion of There are

4:10

a lot of like the billionaires who

4:12

live out there in these giant houses

4:15

And this one in particular number

4:17

five the Corsi court was about

4:21

25,000 square feet it had it

4:24

basically Was separated

4:27

in this sort of unbelievably

4:29

baroque Style it

4:31

looked like something out of the

4:34

Kardashians basically it was huge There was a

4:36

lot of marbles there was a lot of

4:38

guilt It was massive.

4:40

So it was one of these and

4:42

it was fairly recently built I

4:45

think it's only about five years old. So it's

4:47

a new build We've

4:49

all driven by these

4:51

places, but this one was

4:53

kind of special Who bought it

4:56

and tell me a little bit about the person who

4:58

purchased it. So a few years

5:00

ago a man

5:02

named Wei Wei Purchased

5:05

by the Corsi court now Wei Wei had

5:07

come into Canada About

5:09

10 years earlier. He

5:12

immigrated from mainland China with

5:14

his family and he

5:16

was a property developer He came in on

5:18

what's called an entrepreneur visa,

5:20

which is essentially a visa

5:23

that rich foreign Nationals can

5:25

buy if they agree in

5:27

advance to invest millions of

5:29

dollars in the Canadian economy So

5:32

it's not really a normal visa right not

5:34

meant that many of them are handed out

5:36

but Wei Wei had made a fortune in

5:40

construction and property development in

5:43

Hefei a sort of interior

5:46

province of China actually quite a

5:48

poor province that have recently gone

5:50

through a huge boom which he

5:54

Obviously during which he made a lot of money and

5:56

he used that money to come in part

6:00

to come to Canada. And

6:02

he arrived here and began

6:04

to invest in various

6:06

properties in the Toronto area

6:09

and also some in

6:11

BC. And he set up a lot of

6:14

friendship associations, which

6:17

were sort of networking associations for

6:19

students from his region of

6:21

mainland China at university.

6:24

And also, you know, there's just obviously,

6:27

Canada has an enormous Chinese

6:30

diaspora who are connected

6:33

either first, second,

6:35

third generation to mainland China and

6:37

Hong Kong. And

6:39

he was very active in that world.

6:42

So he was, he didn't live in

6:44

five de corsi court, though. He lived

6:46

in Vaughan, which is just a

6:48

few miles down the road. Which brings

6:50

me to the obvious question. Why

6:53

did he buy the house? And allegedly, I guess,

6:55

according to police, what was he using it for? Well,

6:58

maybe it's easier if I just

7:00

tell the story of how suspicions

7:03

were raised. That makes sense. Start there.

7:05

So he bought the house

7:07

and he renovated it. He installed

7:09

an enormous septic system that

7:12

was almost industrial size. He

7:14

spent about $150,000 renovating the house. He

7:16

never seems to

7:21

have intended on living there. But

7:25

that is not unusual for Mr.

7:27

Way, because he's a property developer

7:29

and he owns lots of property

7:31

around GTA. So

7:34

maybe he's just, you know, doing it

7:36

up to flip it. Right? That

7:38

happens. And so what

7:40

happened was that Toronto went

7:43

through its first lockdown like the rest

7:45

of the world. And the first

7:47

lockdown, as I'm sure you'll remember, was

7:50

quite intense. People were very

7:52

anxious and everybody

7:54

had their what was it intended

7:56

the one hour of daily exercise

7:58

and on some. passers-by

8:00

dog walkers people jogging

8:02

notice that five de Courcy courts

8:05

There was some interesting activity going on

8:07

there and the police started getting

8:10

complaints the activity included

8:12

the Conboys of luxury

8:14

cars what looked like

8:16

deliveries. It sort of looked like there

8:18

were Parties going on

8:20

which it, you know, obviously

8:23

baffled neighbors and in

8:25

Markham that area of Markham

8:27

It's very wealthy and people

8:29

generally keep to themselves because

8:31

the properties are big there

8:33

They are separated by a

8:35

crutches. So in in

8:37

normal times, I don't think the

8:41

activity of five de Courcy court would have been

8:44

mentioned Deemed worthy of mentioned

8:47

to the police but because of course everybody

8:49

else was like locked in their houses and

8:51

going for You know a 45 minute

8:54

dog walk a day. Yeah It

8:56

it did sort of raise suspicion and so

8:58

that's how the police get wind

9:00

of the house. What happens then? well,

9:03

so the police start getting calls and they

9:06

think yeah, we better go check this out

9:08

and they surveilled

9:11

the house just by basically

9:13

sitting outside and watching and

9:16

They quickly came to the conclusion

9:19

This was their conclusion that What

9:23

was going on inside was there

9:25

was an illegal gambling operation happening

9:28

And the reason why they jumped to

9:30

this conclusion was because York police in

9:32

that during that time like in that

9:34

year alone They had

9:36

bested about 20

9:39

other illegal gambling operations

9:42

people who like to gamble Really

9:44

really like to gamble Aren't

9:47

going to be deterred by things

9:49

like Pandemics

9:51

and lockdowns Because

9:54

obviously gambling can be a compulsive

9:56

behavior in the same way that

10:00

who are addicted to drugs are not going to be, you

10:03

know, deterred by

10:05

regulations necessarily. So

10:07

they could sort

10:09

of, they figured out, they told me, by the

10:13

sort of activity of what was going on inside

10:15

that it was an illegal, what they call

10:17

an illegal, a common betting

10:19

house. I think that's what it's actually called

10:22

in the charter, or the criminal

10:24

code. And so what did they do once

10:26

they allegedly knew what was

10:28

going on at this house? Tell

10:31

me about the bust. I actually remember this from

10:33

the newspaper at the time. Yeah, the

10:35

bust was kind of, it was a

10:38

huge news story at the time. So

10:40

it was last September. And

10:42

they did this huge bust.

10:45

They planned it for months. They had

10:47

like dozens and

10:49

dozens of officers, I think it was like 50, 70

10:52

officers, basically SWAT teams, heavily

10:54

armed men, they had helicopters

10:56

flying over. The first bust

10:58

was called off just

11:01

minutes before it was supposed to happen,

11:03

because they noticed that there was some

11:05

kind of pool party going on in

11:07

the back garden with them with kids.

11:10

And they didn't know

11:12

if it was a birthday party or

11:14

a staff party. And obviously

11:16

police when they go in to make a

11:18

bust like this, you know, illegal

11:21

casinos generally have sons on site,

11:23

because there's also a lot of

11:25

cash on site, they're very vulnerable

11:27

to robbery. So

11:30

there, it was, you know, it

11:32

was highly risky that something could

11:34

that potentially civilians could

11:36

be put in harm. So

11:39

they, they called us the first best and then

11:41

the second best, they executed

11:44

successfully. And they basically

11:46

missed the place. According

11:48

to the police officer, he

11:51

said this was basically mind blowing,

11:53

they've never seen anything like it. And

11:57

you can go on YouTube and there's a

11:59

whole. video, sort

12:02

of sizzle reels that the police did of

12:04

them taking these tables out

12:07

and like we let

12:09

all this all this casino, like very high

12:11

end casino equipment. Yeah, describe what describe

12:13

what that video shows and what what they

12:15

saw in there. So

12:18

essentially, what the

12:20

police described to me was a high end

12:22

gambling operation, like of the kinds you would

12:24

see in one of the fancy hotels in

12:26

Vegas, right? There were apparently

12:29

$20,000 a hand baccarat tables

12:31

and roulette and an entire

12:33

hall devoted to

12:39

magic. There was allegedly an entire

12:41

room with just slot machines and

12:43

you could trade

12:46

cryptocurrency, allegedly. But

12:49

there was also a full service

12:51

bar and as well

12:54

as a restaurant where they were

12:56

serving sharks in soup,

12:58

which is banned. So and

13:01

apparently the booze was very high end. Police

13:03

made a lot of they talked about the

13:05

booze a lot. And the

13:07

cop I spoke to told me, say

13:11

that there was like $1,000 a shot scotch and almost a million

13:15

dollars worth of booze

13:17

seized behind the

13:19

bar. So this was a very compared

13:22

to the kinds of illegal

13:24

casinos that York police have been

13:26

busting in the GTA, mostly almost

13:28

all in Markham region. It

13:31

was much more lavish and much

13:33

more high end. The

13:35

police also intimated to me

13:38

that other things were going on,

13:41

possibly human trafficking, possibly erotic massages.

13:43

There was apparently a whole saw. There

13:46

were allegedly rooms to

13:48

rent upstairs and

13:50

there were ladies nights allegedly and men's

13:53

night. So this

13:56

is what they found and they went very,

13:59

very big with the story. I think probably

14:01

most of your listeners, if they pay attention

14:03

to the news, probably heard of it.

14:06

The York police called it

14:08

Project Endgame. And, you

14:11

know, it was very much, they

14:13

took their victory lap, let's say. And

14:16

that's it, right? They caught the bad guys, the bad guys

14:18

went to jail. I'm wiping

14:20

my hands of the whole thing as we're talking. Good

14:22

job, police, right? That's it. Yeah, no.

14:26

No, they, I mean, that's

14:28

where the investigation starts. In

14:39

2007, TV network CBS

14:41

dropped 40 kids in

14:43

the middle of the New Mexico desert as part

14:45

of a brand new reality show. These kids would

14:47

have to build their own society from scratch. And

14:50

if this sounds like Lord of the Flies to

14:52

you, well, it was meant to. We

14:54

were on this mission together. We were going to prove

14:56

to the world that we could make a better society

14:58

than adults could. I'm Josh Gwin,

15:01

and I want to know what

15:03

this wild TV experiment was really

15:06

about. Split Screen, Kid

15:08

Nation, a six part podcast from

15:10

CBC, available now.

15:15

So what happens next? So

15:17

then they bag up all the evidence

15:20

and they take it back to, you

15:22

know, they take it back to this station.

15:24

And then, you know, the

15:26

crown has to actually build the prosecution,

15:28

but they arrested like 50 people, but

15:33

they only laid charges against Mr.

15:35

Way and his also his wife

15:37

and his daughter, whose

15:40

inner twenties. And they also

15:42

laid charges against his associates,

15:44

one of his associates, as

15:47

well as a bunch of people, guests

15:49

and staff were charged with minor

15:52

offenses of like Working

15:54

in a common gaming house or

15:56

being guests in a in an

15:58

illegal casino, essentially.. But

16:00

that the major charges that. Were

16:02

brought were again. Way.

16:05

And also says

16:07

associates who. Was a

16:09

younger guy and that. So.

16:12

It's are quite serious says

16:14

we're possession of illegal firearms

16:16

which carry. Ah a man

16:18

sway prison sentence and the case

16:20

obviously the prosecution case look really

16:22

strong Again said they had this

16:24

huge. Cache of evidence, Race

16:27

and the police work I've been

16:29

say worse. Obviously. Very

16:31

very confident they were talking not

16:33

just need a to many members

16:36

of the media which police often

16:38

don't do as a matter of

16:40

course in an open investigation so

16:42

they clearly salads that they were

16:44

in a strong position and also.

16:47

I might add, there was a

16:49

lot of other bugs in the

16:52

Canadian media. I'm about possible connections

16:54

that way had to high levels

16:56

of government. He'd be met with

16:58

Trudeau twice as Hard to understand

17:00

that some of his networking organizations

17:02

have made. The nation's

17:05

not obviously directly to the

17:07

treated because for national channel

17:09

it's actually donations to Canadian

17:12

political parties. but he had

17:14

been part of a sort

17:16

of envoys who had no

17:19

determination to trios. Purse:

17:21

Private Foundation. So.

17:24

His charitable. So

17:26

if you know there were these kind

17:29

of connections in made and there was

17:31

to build web pages and questions about

17:33

money laundering and in a country like

17:36

Canada where you. Have a

17:38

high degree of had with trans

17:40

fat in general and people don't.

17:42

Think. Of Canada as a place. Where

17:45

much organized crime goes on or

17:47

nefarious business? It was sort of

17:49

raising a lot of questions about

17:51

that. Like how I mean I'm

17:54

not sure if you're familiar with.

17:57

At me B C. At the time there

17:59

was a begun. the called an

18:01

inquiry was going on which was

18:03

a huge of money laundering casino

18:05

fiery and to add a sort

18:08

of networks have casinos that were

18:10

cleared the. Laundering. Money.

18:12

So what happened as the please continue

18:14

their investigation to try and build a

18:16

case which to your parents should have

18:19

been pretty open and shut because please

18:21

generally don't put all that stuff out

18:23

there and put out slick videos as

18:25

if they're not a pretty confident that

18:27

this is done well. Yeah exactly

18:29

It looked like it was

18:31

gonna be a cakewalk but

18:34

and meanwhile obviously Mister Ways

18:36

obtained on his own counsel

18:38

so he has in has

18:40

cancer but he also has

18:42

Danielle. Where the cause? some marines

18:44

in and phone. So now that

18:46

the ties probably best known to

18:48

the Canadian public has one, I've

18:50

seen the machine defenseless to the

18:52

potential. For both of my insulin in

18:54

that case nice but she also does

18:56

a lot as as corporate. As

18:59

and say see. Ah

19:01

and her team began working on

19:04

the Fall and. Right

19:06

off the bat away way

19:08

apparently south as many defendants

19:10

few that evidence had gone

19:12

missing, that evident had been

19:14

planted and he started apparently

19:16

making accusations which of course

19:18

his lawyers followed up on.

19:21

Now most of the time.

19:23

This this is not uncommon according

19:26

to him. a lawyer, friends and

19:28

step into but in this case

19:31

they started coming through impairing the

19:33

evidence files to the time stamped

19:35

out at like what was actually

19:38

had a numbered to the time

19:40

stamped photos of what was taken

19:42

from the has. What they discovered

19:45

was that a couple of watches

19:47

were missing watches worth hundreds of

19:50

thousands of dollars which shouldn't have

19:52

been seized as evidence. Because there

19:54

is no ah, you know they were like

19:56

guns or read let people through things that

19:59

could clearly be. Linked to

20:01

be an alleged crime

20:04

so that obviously. Vegas

20:06

Some serious discussions and the

20:08

defense team went to put

20:10

ads and. Said ah with

20:12

this. And also even

20:15

more damning was the fact

20:17

that. Ways team allege

20:19

that a gun holster was

20:21

actually planted in his center

20:23

so it wasn't there in

20:25

the first ago, and then

20:27

it sort of magically appeared.

20:30

On a later cydia and that

20:32

is very damning because. They

20:35

are allegations. Are true that

20:37

that the evidence was planted the like?

20:40

That was the evidence that would have

20:42

potentially connected to him. Roads to the

20:44

weapons charge. So when you talk to

20:46

police about this case as. These

20:49

things started happening. What

20:51

was their attitude? Really confident in

20:54

the case? How did they explain?

20:57

What had happened here was a peep.

20:59

the police were. so I was in

21:01

the middle of writing the big magazine

21:03

story which was basically going to be

21:06

about this amazing about it. And.

21:08

His and then suddenly just

21:10

any of it's. literally I

21:12

smoked. Just about

21:15

to go to Pop yet again

21:17

after months and months of work

21:19

and report embark on a season

21:22

we so tied down into Ah

21:24

way answers business in China and

21:26

I'll get of all the stuff

21:29

anyway. It and then suddenly all

21:31

the charges were dropped because. Yeah

21:34

because basically the defense of

21:36

Ways to successfully raised enough

21:38

doubts that they through the

21:40

entire police. Case against Way

21:43

particularly and also. The

21:46

twenty soldiers against his wife and

21:48

daughter would drop. The rest of

21:50

the charges are outstanding I would

21:52

like to say including the weapons

21:54

charge against his associate which is

21:56

kind. Of weird because

21:58

if they managed. to

22:00

pin the other guy, how

22:02

can way be innocent,

22:05

but this is the way the

22:07

court works, right? Because if the

22:10

police sort of discredit themselves

22:12

by tampering with evidence, then the

22:14

case gets thrown out. It doesn't matter

22:17

how strong the other

22:19

evidence might be against him. You

22:22

have to sort of go with the presumption

22:24

of innocence at that point. So this is

22:26

how police basically destroy

22:29

their own, the

22:32

fruits of their own labor, essentially. And

22:35

what do they say about that? The

22:37

charges against, I guess,

22:40

the man who would allegedly be the big

22:42

fish are dropped, and

22:44

there's allegations, like these are serious

22:46

allegations of police misconduct and theft

22:48

and planting stuff. What

22:50

do they say about that? Well,

22:53

I mean, I talked to Superintendent Mike

22:55

Slack, who was in charge of the

22:58

bus, and he was completely breezy

23:00

about the whole thing. I have to say, I

23:03

was slightly shocked, because

23:06

it seems to me that he

23:08

just sort of said, well, we're still

23:10

satisfied with this result, and now we're

23:12

just going after the other guy. And

23:17

he really didn't offer any response to

23:19

the allegations of misconduct.

23:21

Obviously, the Police

23:24

Complaint Services Board is

23:27

sort of looking into that, so there

23:29

will be some kind of, they did

23:31

an internal investigation, York Police, which

23:33

came to nothing, unsurprisingly. So

23:36

now there will be some kind

23:38

of independent review. But it also

23:40

seems that when I started looking

23:42

back, there had been a similar

23:45

huge bus the year before. That

23:48

one even bigger than Project

23:50

Endgame, which was a huge organized

23:53

crime, money laundering bus where they seized like

23:55

a bunch of houses and all these luxury

23:57

cars, and they connected all these people. executive

24:00

web. And similarly, there

24:02

was enough evidence

24:04

raised by the defense of

24:08

police misconduct and tampering that the

24:10

case was thrown at the

24:12

whole thing. It then sort

24:14

of became this whole other story of what

24:18

the hell is going on with York Police. JS.

24:20

But it's so much more fascinating this way.

24:22

I mean, everybody I think is kind of

24:25

used to the guns and

24:27

money on a table and slap the officer

24:29

on the back kind of story

24:31

from this. And this had that. And

24:33

then I think probably almost

24:36

anyone who saw that forgot

24:38

about it until all

24:40

of a sudden there's no case. So in the end,

24:43

I guess, what did police get out of this? They

24:45

shut down the gaming house.

24:47

So I mean, that's a positive, I

24:49

guess. But what did they, what happened

24:52

to all the stuff they took out of the house?

24:54

All the money, you know,

24:56

weapons? JS. Well, they had

24:58

to give back. That's interesting. They had to give

25:00

back. They made a big

25:02

deal about how they sort of hit him in the

25:04

wallet, at least, because

25:06

he did, he lost his share of

25:09

the house, which was later sold, unsurprisingly,

25:12

with Toronto real estate at a huge profit,

25:15

only five years after he bought it. But

25:18

his wife kept her share. So

25:22

and the province got the rest. But also there

25:24

was a mortgage. I don't know how big it

25:26

was. But you know, the province

25:28

may have gotten back or true majesty, as

25:30

they say, may have gotten

25:33

back very little in the end. So

25:35

apart from a few fines, but

25:37

really, in the end, it's, it's

25:40

hard to understand. If

25:43

you just assume for a

25:45

second, that the police were

25:47

corrupt, it's, it sort of

25:49

boggles the mind, like, why

25:52

would you that the case

25:54

is so strong? Why try

25:56

to make it stronger? You

25:59

know, you talked to criminal lawyers and they will

26:01

tell you, well, the post, often

26:03

the police aren't that smart. But that's

26:05

the kind of thing lawyers say, because

26:08

they criminal lawyers aren't

26:10

big fans of police. What

26:12

I ultimately found about this case was that

26:14

it was just quite depressing for

26:17

the people of Ontario,

26:19

because nothing, nothing

26:22

gets exposed, right? You

26:25

know, the Crown and the police don't get to the

26:27

bottom of it. There is no real

26:29

justice done. Will we

26:32

get to the bottom of the

26:34

alleged police corruption? Who knows? That

26:36

seems, that's still in play, but

26:40

it seems unlikely. I thought

26:42

it was sort of sad as a journalist, because

26:44

you just, you want to find out the truth.

26:47

There's a whole lot of nothing to come out of a

26:50

great big flashy bust. Leah, thank you so

26:52

much for taking us through it and for

26:54

your work, I guess, writing this story twice

26:56

by now. Thank you. Yes, it was,

26:58

it was a pleasure and it was a pleasure to chat.

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27:06

Toronto Life a few years

27:08

ago. And that was the

27:10

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27:12

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27:14

charged. I hope

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