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In 2007, TV network CBS
0:03
dropped 40 kids
0:05
in the middle of the New Mexico desert as
0:07
part of a brand new reality show. These kids
0:09
would have to build their own society from scratch.
0:11
And if this sounds like Lord of the Flies
0:14
to you, well, it was meant to. We
0:16
were on this mission together. We were going to prove
0:18
to the world that we could make a better society
0:21
than adults could. I'm Josh
0:23
Gwynn, and I want to know
0:25
what this wild TV experiment was
0:27
really about. Blitzgreen Kid
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Nation, a six part podcast
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from CBC, available now.
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Frequency Podcast Network, stories
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that matter, podcasts that resonate. Hey,
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it's Jordan. Happy Sunday. And
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here, as promised, is another one of
0:48
our favorite episodes that you may not
0:50
have heard. This
0:52
one's a little older. It's from August
0:54
of 2021. It's
0:57
a fascinating story to which I can
0:59
now share an update, which it will
1:02
become clear as you listen to
1:04
this tale is a little
1:06
bit of an amusing ending. Out
1:08
of 28 people that were charged
1:11
in the course of the story you're about
1:13
to hear, exactly one
1:16
was convicted. Last
1:18
year, Wei Dong was convicted
1:20
of storing firearms, including an AR-15,
1:22
in a careless manner,
1:26
and unlawfully possessing
1:28
overcapacity magazines. That's
1:31
it. He was sentenced to
1:33
a conditional discharge with 12 months of
1:35
probation for each charge and a weapons
1:37
prohibition order for 10 years. No
1:40
jail time. Enjoy
1:43
this twisted tale. You'll
1:47
probably remember hearing about
1:49
the story that's at the center of
1:51
today's episode. If you remember it,
1:54
you'll probably even imagine that you knew how
1:57
it ended. But you'd be wrong. I
2:00
will refresh your memory. Here you
2:02
go. It was an investigation
2:04
that lasted months, not a project
2:06
endgame by police. And police say
2:08
what they found inside was nothing
2:10
short of shocking. We arrested 29
2:13
people, including the owner operator,
2:16
and seized 11 firearms with
2:18
thousands of ammunition, gaming tables,
2:20
and machines, and one
2:23
million dollars of cash. That
2:26
was last September. It made
2:28
national headlines. The operation was
2:30
called Project Endgame, and it
2:32
was a massive bust of
2:35
what police allege was
2:37
an illegal casino and spa
2:39
operating in a Markham, Ontario
2:41
home. As you might
2:43
imagine, the police made a big
2:46
deal of this story. It
2:48
was a truly lavish bust, and that's
2:50
what they do. But even
2:52
as the charges were announced, things
2:54
were beginning to go sideways.
2:57
And now, almost a year later,
3:00
it appears the entire case
3:03
is in shambles. So what happened
3:06
to Project Endgame? I'm
3:13
Jordan Heathrowings. This is The Big Story. Leah
3:16
McLaren is a writer and reporter based
3:18
in Toronto. She has been following
3:20
this case for almost a year now, and
3:22
she wrote about it in Toronto Life. Hi,
3:25
Leah. Hi, how are you? I'm doing really
3:27
well, and this is a fascinating story. Maybe
3:30
you could just start by kind of centering
3:33
us. Tell me about the house on
3:35
Dacoursi Court. Where is it? What is
3:37
it like? Well,
3:39
I've never been there, personally,
3:41
but from what
3:44
I have gleaned from many real
3:46
estate listings and Google Maps
3:49
is that basically it's what
3:51
you would call a giant
3:53
McMansion on a very
3:56
sort of exclusive secluded
3:58
cul-de-sac in the United States. Markham
4:00
and Markham
4:03
as most of your listeners
4:05
probably know has a huge
4:08
proportion of There are
4:10
a lot of like the billionaires who
4:12
live out there in these giant houses
4:15
And this one in particular number
4:17
five the Corsi court was about
4:21
25,000 square feet it had it
4:24
basically Was separated
4:27
in this sort of unbelievably
4:29
baroque Style it
4:31
looked like something out of the
4:34
Kardashians basically it was huge There was a
4:36
lot of marbles there was a lot of
4:38
guilt It was massive.
4:40
So it was one of these and
4:42
it was fairly recently built I
4:45
think it's only about five years old. So it's
4:47
a new build We've
4:49
all driven by these
4:51
places, but this one was
4:53
kind of special Who bought it
4:56
and tell me a little bit about the person who
4:58
purchased it. So a few years
5:00
ago a man
5:02
named Wei Wei Purchased
5:05
by the Corsi court now Wei Wei had
5:07
come into Canada About
5:09
10 years earlier. He
5:12
immigrated from mainland China with
5:14
his family and he
5:16
was a property developer He came in on
5:18
what's called an entrepreneur visa,
5:20
which is essentially a visa
5:23
that rich foreign Nationals can
5:25
buy if they agree in
5:27
advance to invest millions of
5:29
dollars in the Canadian economy So
5:32
it's not really a normal visa right not
5:34
meant that many of them are handed out
5:36
but Wei Wei had made a fortune in
5:40
construction and property development in
5:43
Hefei a sort of interior
5:46
province of China actually quite a
5:48
poor province that have recently gone
5:50
through a huge boom which he
5:54
Obviously during which he made a lot of money and
5:56
he used that money to come in part
6:00
to come to Canada. And
6:02
he arrived here and began
6:04
to invest in various
6:06
properties in the Toronto area
6:09
and also some in
6:11
BC. And he set up a lot of
6:14
friendship associations, which
6:17
were sort of networking associations for
6:19
students from his region of
6:21
mainland China at university.
6:24
And also, you know, there's just obviously,
6:27
Canada has an enormous Chinese
6:30
diaspora who are connected
6:33
either first, second,
6:35
third generation to mainland China and
6:37
Hong Kong. And
6:39
he was very active in that world.
6:42
So he was, he didn't live in
6:44
five de corsi court, though. He lived
6:46
in Vaughan, which is just a
6:48
few miles down the road. Which brings
6:50
me to the obvious question. Why
6:53
did he buy the house? And allegedly, I guess,
6:55
according to police, what was he using it for? Well,
6:58
maybe it's easier if I just
7:00
tell the story of how suspicions
7:03
were raised. That makes sense. Start there.
7:05
So he bought the house
7:07
and he renovated it. He installed
7:09
an enormous septic system that
7:12
was almost industrial size. He
7:14
spent about $150,000 renovating the house. He
7:16
never seems to
7:21
have intended on living there. But
7:25
that is not unusual for Mr.
7:27
Way, because he's a property developer
7:29
and he owns lots of property
7:31
around GTA. So
7:34
maybe he's just, you know, doing it
7:36
up to flip it. Right? That
7:38
happens. And so what
7:40
happened was that Toronto went
7:43
through its first lockdown like the rest
7:45
of the world. And the first
7:47
lockdown, as I'm sure you'll remember, was
7:50
quite intense. People were very
7:52
anxious and everybody
7:54
had their what was it intended
7:56
the one hour of daily exercise
7:58
and on some. passers-by
8:00
dog walkers people jogging
8:02
notice that five de Courcy courts
8:05
There was some interesting activity going on
8:07
there and the police started getting
8:10
complaints the activity included
8:12
the Conboys of luxury
8:14
cars what looked like
8:16
deliveries. It sort of looked like there
8:18
were Parties going on
8:20
which it, you know, obviously
8:23
baffled neighbors and in
8:25
Markham that area of Markham
8:27
It's very wealthy and people
8:29
generally keep to themselves because
8:31
the properties are big there
8:33
They are separated by a
8:35
crutches. So in in
8:37
normal times, I don't think the
8:41
activity of five de Courcy court would have been
8:44
mentioned Deemed worthy of mentioned
8:47
to the police but because of course everybody
8:49
else was like locked in their houses and
8:51
going for You know a 45 minute
8:54
dog walk a day. Yeah It
8:56
it did sort of raise suspicion and so
8:58
that's how the police get wind
9:00
of the house. What happens then? well,
9:03
so the police start getting calls and they
9:06
think yeah, we better go check this out
9:08
and they surveilled
9:11
the house just by basically
9:13
sitting outside and watching and
9:16
They quickly came to the conclusion
9:19
This was their conclusion that What
9:23
was going on inside was there
9:25
was an illegal gambling operation happening
9:28
And the reason why they jumped to
9:30
this conclusion was because York police in
9:32
that during that time like in that
9:34
year alone They had
9:36
bested about 20
9:39
other illegal gambling operations
9:42
people who like to gamble Really
9:44
really like to gamble Aren't
9:47
going to be deterred by things
9:49
like Pandemics
9:51
and lockdowns Because
9:54
obviously gambling can be a compulsive
9:56
behavior in the same way that
10:00
who are addicted to drugs are not going to be, you
10:03
know, deterred by
10:05
regulations necessarily. So
10:07
they could sort
10:09
of, they figured out, they told me, by the
10:13
sort of activity of what was going on inside
10:15
that it was an illegal, what they call
10:17
an illegal, a common betting
10:19
house. I think that's what it's actually called
10:22
in the charter, or the criminal
10:24
code. And so what did they do once
10:26
they allegedly knew what was
10:28
going on at this house? Tell
10:31
me about the bust. I actually remember this from
10:33
the newspaper at the time. Yeah, the
10:35
bust was kind of, it was a
10:38
huge news story at the time. So
10:40
it was last September. And
10:42
they did this huge bust.
10:45
They planned it for months. They had
10:47
like dozens and
10:49
dozens of officers, I think it was like 50, 70
10:52
officers, basically SWAT teams, heavily
10:54
armed men, they had helicopters
10:56
flying over. The first bust
10:58
was called off just
11:01
minutes before it was supposed to happen,
11:03
because they noticed that there was some
11:05
kind of pool party going on in
11:07
the back garden with them with kids.
11:10
And they didn't know
11:12
if it was a birthday party or
11:14
a staff party. And obviously
11:16
police when they go in to make a
11:18
bust like this, you know, illegal
11:21
casinos generally have sons on site,
11:23
because there's also a lot of
11:25
cash on site, they're very vulnerable
11:27
to robbery. So
11:30
there, it was, you know, it
11:32
was highly risky that something could
11:34
that potentially civilians could
11:36
be put in harm. So
11:39
they, they called us the first best and then
11:41
the second best, they executed
11:44
successfully. And they basically
11:46
missed the place. According
11:48
to the police officer, he
11:51
said this was basically mind blowing,
11:53
they've never seen anything like it. And
11:57
you can go on YouTube and there's a
11:59
whole. video, sort
12:02
of sizzle reels that the police did of
12:04
them taking these tables out
12:07
and like we let
12:09
all this all this casino, like very high
12:11
end casino equipment. Yeah, describe what describe
12:13
what that video shows and what what they
12:15
saw in there. So
12:18
essentially, what the
12:20
police described to me was a high end
12:22
gambling operation, like of the kinds you would
12:24
see in one of the fancy hotels in
12:26
Vegas, right? There were apparently
12:29
$20,000 a hand baccarat tables
12:31
and roulette and an entire
12:33
hall devoted to
12:39
magic. There was allegedly an entire
12:41
room with just slot machines and
12:43
you could trade
12:46
cryptocurrency, allegedly. But
12:49
there was also a full service
12:51
bar and as well
12:54
as a restaurant where they were
12:56
serving sharks in soup,
12:58
which is banned. So and
13:01
apparently the booze was very high end. Police
13:03
made a lot of they talked about the
13:05
booze a lot. And the
13:07
cop I spoke to told me, say
13:11
that there was like $1,000 a shot scotch and almost a million
13:15
dollars worth of booze
13:17
seized behind the
13:19
bar. So this was a very compared
13:22
to the kinds of illegal
13:24
casinos that York police have been
13:26
busting in the GTA, mostly almost
13:28
all in Markham region. It
13:31
was much more lavish and much
13:33
more high end. The
13:35
police also intimated to me
13:38
that other things were going on,
13:41
possibly human trafficking, possibly erotic massages.
13:43
There was apparently a whole saw. There
13:46
were allegedly rooms to
13:48
rent upstairs and
13:50
there were ladies nights allegedly and men's
13:53
night. So this
13:56
is what they found and they went very,
13:59
very big with the story. I think probably
14:01
most of your listeners, if they pay attention
14:03
to the news, probably heard of it.
14:06
The York police called it
14:08
Project Endgame. And, you
14:11
know, it was very much, they
14:13
took their victory lap, let's say. And
14:16
that's it, right? They caught the bad guys, the bad guys
14:18
went to jail. I'm wiping
14:20
my hands of the whole thing as we're talking. Good
14:22
job, police, right? That's it. Yeah, no.
14:26
No, they, I mean, that's
14:28
where the investigation starts. In
14:39
2007, TV network CBS
14:41
dropped 40 kids in
14:43
the middle of the New Mexico desert as part
14:45
of a brand new reality show. These kids would
14:47
have to build their own society from scratch. And
14:50
if this sounds like Lord of the Flies to
14:52
you, well, it was meant to. We
14:54
were on this mission together. We were going to prove
14:56
to the world that we could make a better society
14:58
than adults could. I'm Josh Gwin,
15:01
and I want to know what
15:03
this wild TV experiment was really
15:06
about. Split Screen, Kid
15:08
Nation, a six part podcast from
15:10
CBC, available now.
15:15
So what happens next? So
15:17
then they bag up all the evidence
15:20
and they take it back to, you
15:22
know, they take it back to this station.
15:24
And then, you know, the
15:26
crown has to actually build the prosecution,
15:28
but they arrested like 50 people, but
15:33
they only laid charges against Mr.
15:35
Way and his also his wife
15:37
and his daughter, whose
15:40
inner twenties. And they also
15:42
laid charges against his associates,
15:44
one of his associates, as
15:47
well as a bunch of people, guests
15:49
and staff were charged with minor
15:52
offenses of like Working
15:54
in a common gaming house or
15:56
being guests in a in an
15:58
illegal casino, essentially.. But
16:00
that the major charges that. Were
16:02
brought were again. Way.
16:05
And also says
16:07
associates who. Was a
16:09
younger guy and that. So.
16:12
It's are quite serious says
16:14
we're possession of illegal firearms
16:16
which carry. Ah a man
16:18
sway prison sentence and the case
16:20
obviously the prosecution case look really
16:22
strong Again said they had this
16:24
huge. Cache of evidence, Race
16:27
and the police work I've been
16:29
say worse. Obviously. Very
16:31
very confident they were talking not
16:33
just need a to many members
16:36
of the media which police often
16:38
don't do as a matter of
16:40
course in an open investigation so
16:42
they clearly salads that they were
16:44
in a strong position and also.
16:47
I might add, there was a
16:49
lot of other bugs in the
16:52
Canadian media. I'm about possible connections
16:54
that way had to high levels
16:56
of government. He'd be met with
16:58
Trudeau twice as Hard to understand
17:00
that some of his networking organizations
17:02
have made. The nation's
17:05
not obviously directly to the
17:07
treated because for national channel
17:09
it's actually donations to Canadian
17:12
political parties. but he had
17:14
been part of a sort
17:16
of envoys who had no
17:19
determination to trios. Purse:
17:21
Private Foundation. So.
17:24
His charitable. So
17:26
if you know there were these kind
17:29
of connections in made and there was
17:31
to build web pages and questions about
17:33
money laundering and in a country like
17:36
Canada where you. Have a
17:38
high degree of had with trans
17:40
fat in general and people don't.
17:42
Think. Of Canada as a place. Where
17:45
much organized crime goes on or
17:47
nefarious business? It was sort of
17:49
raising a lot of questions about
17:51
that. Like how I mean I'm
17:54
not sure if you're familiar with.
17:57
At me B C. At the time there
17:59
was a begun. the called an
18:01
inquiry was going on which was
18:03
a huge of money laundering casino
18:05
fiery and to add a sort
18:08
of networks have casinos that were
18:10
cleared the. Laundering. Money.
18:12
So what happened as the please continue
18:14
their investigation to try and build a
18:16
case which to your parents should have
18:19
been pretty open and shut because please
18:21
generally don't put all that stuff out
18:23
there and put out slick videos as
18:25
if they're not a pretty confident that
18:27
this is done well. Yeah exactly
18:29
It looked like it was
18:31
gonna be a cakewalk but
18:34
and meanwhile obviously Mister Ways
18:36
obtained on his own counsel
18:38
so he has in has
18:40
cancer but he also has
18:42
Danielle. Where the cause? some marines
18:44
in and phone. So now that
18:46
the ties probably best known to
18:48
the Canadian public has one, I've
18:50
seen the machine defenseless to the
18:52
potential. For both of my insulin in
18:54
that case nice but she also does
18:56
a lot as as corporate. As
18:59
and say see. Ah
19:01
and her team began working on
19:04
the Fall and. Right
19:06
off the bat away way
19:08
apparently south as many defendants
19:10
few that evidence had gone
19:12
missing, that evident had been
19:14
planted and he started apparently
19:16
making accusations which of course
19:18
his lawyers followed up on.
19:21
Now most of the time.
19:23
This this is not uncommon according
19:26
to him. a lawyer, friends and
19:28
step into but in this case
19:31
they started coming through impairing the
19:33
evidence files to the time stamped
19:35
out at like what was actually
19:38
had a numbered to the time
19:40
stamped photos of what was taken
19:42
from the has. What they discovered
19:45
was that a couple of watches
19:47
were missing watches worth hundreds of
19:50
thousands of dollars which shouldn't have
19:52
been seized as evidence. Because there
19:54
is no ah, you know they were like
19:56
guns or read let people through things that
19:59
could clearly be. Linked to
20:01
be an alleged crime
20:04
so that obviously. Vegas
20:06
Some serious discussions and the
20:08
defense team went to put
20:10
ads and. Said ah with
20:12
this. And also even
20:15
more damning was the fact
20:17
that. Ways team allege
20:19
that a gun holster was
20:21
actually planted in his center
20:23
so it wasn't there in
20:25
the first ago, and then
20:27
it sort of magically appeared.
20:30
On a later cydia and that
20:32
is very damning because. They
20:35
are allegations. Are true that
20:37
that the evidence was planted the like?
20:40
That was the evidence that would have
20:42
potentially connected to him. Roads to the
20:44
weapons charge. So when you talk to
20:46
police about this case as. These
20:49
things started happening. What
20:51
was their attitude? Really confident in
20:54
the case? How did they explain?
20:57
What had happened here was a peep.
20:59
the police were. so I was in
21:01
the middle of writing the big magazine
21:03
story which was basically going to be
21:06
about this amazing about it. And.
21:08
His and then suddenly just
21:10
any of it's. literally I
21:12
smoked. Just about
21:15
to go to Pop yet again
21:17
after months and months of work
21:19
and report embark on a season
21:22
we so tied down into Ah
21:24
way answers business in China and
21:26
I'll get of all the stuff
21:29
anyway. It and then suddenly all
21:31
the charges were dropped because. Yeah
21:34
because basically the defense of
21:36
Ways to successfully raised enough
21:38
doubts that they through the
21:40
entire police. Case against Way
21:43
particularly and also. The
21:46
twenty soldiers against his wife and
21:48
daughter would drop. The rest of
21:50
the charges are outstanding I would
21:52
like to say including the weapons
21:54
charge against his associate which is
21:56
kind. Of weird because
21:58
if they managed. to
22:00
pin the other guy, how
22:02
can way be innocent,
22:05
but this is the way the
22:07
court works, right? Because if the
22:10
police sort of discredit themselves
22:12
by tampering with evidence, then the
22:14
case gets thrown out. It doesn't matter
22:17
how strong the other
22:19
evidence might be against him. You
22:22
have to sort of go with the presumption
22:24
of innocence at that point. So this is
22:26
how police basically destroy
22:29
their own, the
22:32
fruits of their own labor, essentially. And
22:35
what do they say about that? The
22:37
charges against, I guess,
22:40
the man who would allegedly be the big
22:42
fish are dropped, and
22:44
there's allegations, like these are serious
22:46
allegations of police misconduct and theft
22:48
and planting stuff. What
22:50
do they say about that? Well,
22:53
I mean, I talked to Superintendent Mike
22:55
Slack, who was in charge of the
22:58
bus, and he was completely breezy
23:00
about the whole thing. I have to say, I
23:03
was slightly shocked, because
23:06
it seems to me that he
23:08
just sort of said, well, we're still
23:10
satisfied with this result, and now we're
23:12
just going after the other guy. And
23:17
he really didn't offer any response to
23:19
the allegations of misconduct.
23:21
Obviously, the Police
23:24
Complaint Services Board is
23:27
sort of looking into that, so there
23:29
will be some kind of, they did
23:31
an internal investigation, York Police, which
23:33
came to nothing, unsurprisingly. So
23:36
now there will be some kind
23:38
of independent review. But it also
23:40
seems that when I started looking
23:42
back, there had been a similar
23:45
huge bus the year before. That
23:48
one even bigger than Project
23:50
Endgame, which was a huge organized
23:53
crime, money laundering bus where they seized like
23:55
a bunch of houses and all these luxury
23:57
cars, and they connected all these people. executive
24:00
web. And similarly, there
24:02
was enough evidence
24:04
raised by the defense of
24:08
police misconduct and tampering that the
24:10
case was thrown at the
24:12
whole thing. It then sort
24:14
of became this whole other story of what
24:18
the hell is going on with York Police. JS.
24:20
But it's so much more fascinating this way.
24:22
I mean, everybody I think is kind of
24:25
used to the guns and
24:27
money on a table and slap the officer
24:29
on the back kind of story
24:31
from this. And this had that. And
24:33
then I think probably almost
24:36
anyone who saw that forgot
24:38
about it until all
24:40
of a sudden there's no case. So in the end,
24:43
I guess, what did police get out of this? They
24:45
shut down the gaming house.
24:47
So I mean, that's a positive, I
24:49
guess. But what did they, what happened
24:52
to all the stuff they took out of the house?
24:54
All the money, you know,
24:56
weapons? JS. Well, they had
24:58
to give back. That's interesting. They had to give
25:00
back. They made a big
25:02
deal about how they sort of hit him in the
25:04
wallet, at least, because
25:06
he did, he lost his share of
25:09
the house, which was later sold, unsurprisingly,
25:12
with Toronto real estate at a huge profit,
25:15
only five years after he bought it. But
25:18
his wife kept her share. So
25:22
and the province got the rest. But also there
25:24
was a mortgage. I don't know how big it
25:26
was. But you know, the province
25:28
may have gotten back or true majesty, as
25:30
they say, may have gotten
25:33
back very little in the end. So
25:35
apart from a few fines, but
25:37
really, in the end, it's, it's
25:40
hard to understand. If
25:43
you just assume for a
25:45
second, that the police were
25:47
corrupt, it's, it sort of
25:49
boggles the mind, like, why
25:52
would you that the case
25:54
is so strong? Why try
25:56
to make it stronger? You
25:59
know, you talked to criminal lawyers and they will
26:01
tell you, well, the post, often
26:03
the police aren't that smart. But that's
26:05
the kind of thing lawyers say, because
26:08
they criminal lawyers aren't
26:10
big fans of police. What
26:12
I ultimately found about this case was that
26:14
it was just quite depressing for
26:17
the people of Ontario,
26:19
because nothing, nothing
26:22
gets exposed, right? You
26:25
know, the Crown and the police don't get to the
26:27
bottom of it. There is no real
26:29
justice done. Will we
26:32
get to the bottom of the
26:34
alleged police corruption? Who knows? That
26:36
seems, that's still in play, but
26:40
it seems unlikely. I thought
26:42
it was sort of sad as a journalist, because
26:44
you just, you want to find out the truth.
26:47
There's a whole lot of nothing to come out of a
26:50
great big flashy bust. Leah, thank you so
26:52
much for taking us through it and for
26:54
your work, I guess, writing this story twice
26:56
by now. Thank you. Yes, it was,
26:58
it was a pleasure and it was a pleasure to chat.
27:04
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27:06
Toronto Life a few years
27:08
ago. And that was the
27:10
big story. As I mentioned, one
27:12
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