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you

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have won the Rachel Hayhose Lit

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have you witnessed on absolutely

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sensational story

2:21

lines, the Women's Cricket Podcast for

2:24

our second WPL breakdown. We're going

2:26

to mix things up a bit more

2:28

this week, Nikki, because we're going to

2:30

have like a newsroom. We're going to run you

2:32

through all the scores that's been happening. And

2:35

then we're going to chat about things which we've

2:37

just kind of noticed, which have caught our eye.

2:39

But first of all, how are you? I am

2:41

very well. I'm exhausted. I have been

2:43

cooking, slaving away in the kitchen, like,

2:46

for a pretty much large part of the day. So it's

2:48

my mum's birthday, isn't it? Yeah, so it's my mum's birthday.

2:50

So I'm doing like a dinner thing tonight. So I

2:52

was like, you're not allowed to cook. And I really

2:54

like stretch myself. And I think

2:57

I should have just like maybe just rained

2:59

down the confidence a little bit. But we've got

3:01

there. I'm nearly done. Well, you're going to win

3:03

the Best Daughter Award, certainly. I mean,

3:05

I know some people woke up

3:07

to snow in the UK this morning, at least in

3:09

the southwest. And all my

3:11

family were sending snow pictures into our family group

3:14

chat this morning, being like, oh, isn't this amazing?

3:16

Isn't this beautiful? And I opened the windows in

3:19

Bristol, and it's soaking

3:21

wet. And it's raining not something. Literally

3:23

chucking it down. I was in the car at half

3:25

five driving to radio, and I was like, this is

3:28

miserable. This is disgusting. It's

3:30

literally been like the most miserable four weeks. And

3:32

I'm going down to Cornwall next week. So I'm

3:35

really hoping it gets a little bit better. But

3:37

they're not really having any of these issues in

3:39

the WPL. They might do in the fifth men's

3:41

test between England and India, which is up in

3:43

Dhammasala, because apparently it's

3:45

meant to be absolutely freezing in that.

3:47

But they're still playing down in Bengaluru.

3:51

So it's OK. The weather's really, really nice. Let's

3:53

run you through the games which have occurred so

3:55

far since our last recording. So

3:58

on Tuesday, RCB played. against

4:00

the Gujarat Giants. Did everyone notice that?

4:02

Giants because the entire last podcast resets

4:05

patterns. It's not like none of us

4:07

were to fit as well. Giants, Giants,

4:09

Giants. Giants.

4:14

If I say that one more time,

4:16

don't you dare. If I say that

4:18

one more time, it's not going to

4:20

change their luck. Unfortunately, Gujarat Giants lost

4:22

another game, RCB winning by eight wickets.

4:24

Gujarat Giants batted first. I think a

4:26

lot of teams are just working out

4:28

that they're a weak batting team,

4:30

so if they put them in spat first, they're not getting

4:32

many runs on the board and it's proving to be quite

4:35

easy run chasers in the end. Emlata got

4:37

31, not out. And Harleen

4:39

Dole, 22, those were the only

4:41

two scores of some sort of

4:43

significance. In the end, RCB

4:46

chasing it downwards. Ese, Mriti Mandana got

4:48

43. And Magana, 36, she's having

4:51

a brilliant season so far. I

4:53

just love the brutal honesty after this

4:55

game of Ben and her post-match interview.

4:58

She was just kind of asked what did you make of that and she was

5:00

a bit kind of like, you know, what do you

5:02

think? We're not doing well. I'm not very

5:04

happy. This isn't going to be a

5:07

great interview kind of vibe. And I was just

5:09

like, it just must be so awful for captains

5:11

when things aren't going well. It's not just for

5:13

captains. Like if you think about the person doing

5:15

the interview, because you know that it's not the

5:18

best time, you know the captain probably doesn't really

5:20

want to talk much. And then you're like, well,

5:22

I don't want to ask anything that's too late.

5:25

It's a bit like you're on the fence and you're like, let's just

5:27

get this done with. Okay, great. What do you

5:29

want to work on in your next game? Like you

5:31

could literally and then you'd be like, please don't talk

5:33

anymore. Let's leave it. It's a tricky situation for

5:35

everyone. But so RCB another win

5:37

for them on Wednesday. It was

5:40

won by Indians versus UP Warriors

5:42

and UP Warriors won by seven

5:44

wickets after a disappointing start to

5:46

this year's WPL and up against

5:48

the big team who really they've

5:50

got the target on their back

5:52

after winning last year's competition. Haley

5:54

Matthews. We're going to question Alyssa

5:56

Healy's captaincy in her position

5:58

now, are you? I am

6:00

actually because even because of this win and

6:03

in later games the UP boys have played

6:05

I didn't know if it's just because you

6:07

know I was born and raised on the

6:09

Owen Morgan heaven-like kind of captaincy that you

6:12

know you don't really show many emotions kind

6:14

of thing and it's a Healy in the

6:16

most recent games she just stood there shaking

6:18

her head the whole time behind the stumps

6:21

and glaring and shaking her heads and like

6:23

yelling out things at players and I was

6:25

just like I don't I think that's bad

6:27

side as a captain so I still don't

6:30

necessarily think it's the best

6:32

option but we'll get into that we'll get into that

6:34

but it was Mumbai Indians first

6:36

loss of this year Healy scored 33

6:38

but I think the best decision for

6:40

the UP Warriors was opening with Naskir

6:42

who got 57 she's a

6:44

big hitter and she really just got

6:47

them off to a brilliant start in

6:49

that run chase and usually the UP

6:51

Warriors only used five bowlers in that

6:53

first innings when they restricted one by

6:55

Indians down to you know an okayish

6:58

score and four of those bowlers were

7:00

spinners so again we'll probably come back

7:02

to their tactics they've they settled on now

7:05

on Thursday we had the game between

7:07

RCB and Delhi Capitals these games just

7:09

come ticking fast and it's necessary

7:11

to run through the more Delhi

7:14

Capitals won by 25 runs they scored don't

7:17

forget to breathe I hope I can

7:19

get out I'm going to get

7:21

a bag and stop breathing into it thank you

7:23

that was a nice kind reminder. Healy scored a

7:25

whopping 194 for five, Shafali

7:28

for her most 50, Capsi 46

7:30

not out, Jess Jonathan 36 not

7:32

out and RCB they

7:35

had the Clerken for Perry didn't

7:37

really change anything and I mean

7:40

more runs really for Monday who scored 74

7:44

and Nagana who scored 36. The issue

7:46

was not those two scoring runs at

7:48

that point it looked like RCB was

7:50

potentially going to coast along but their

7:52

last seven batters got out for 12

7:55

runs that's a very very

7:57

village cricket so wasn't

8:00

the best finish and then the final game

8:02

and then maybe I have a little lie

8:04

down and a braver Which

8:06

was the game yesterday between UP

8:09

Warriors and Gujarat Giants and

8:12

UP 1x6 wickets in the end again the

8:16

Gujarat Giants just not getting enough runs

8:18

on the board and Grace Harris smacking

8:20

60 not out in the end which

8:22

was just Spline. So

8:24

there you have it. There's the games things

8:26

are going along nicely. Going quickly though Like

8:29

it's just like you're blinking and you've lost like

8:31

you've had five games party Maybe that's just

8:33

a reflection on when time flies when you're just

8:36

having so much fun or

8:38

some other deep speculation. At

8:40

the moment as things

8:42

stand Delhi Capitals sat at the top of the

8:45

table RCB second

8:48

UP Warriors a third Mumbai a

8:50

fourth and Gujarat Giants

8:52

down at the bottom, of course Maybe

8:55

there'll be some more narratives when they extend

8:58

the tournament if they add some more teams

9:00

but Because it's short and snappy and

9:03

it's quick I guess it adds

9:05

that bit more excitement because the table really

9:07

dramatically shifts after each game So it's hard

9:09

to kind of gauge how teams are actually

9:11

doing by looking at that apart from Gujarat

9:13

Giants where you can gauge quite Quickly that

9:15

they're at the bottom of the table. Nikki,

9:18

what have you been noticing across these games?

9:20

Okay, I've got my technical hat on here

9:22

So it suits you you look lovely in

9:24

it. Yeah, I know. Thank you so much

9:26

I'd like I picked out myself What's been

9:28

pretty striking is the way the fields have

9:30

been different? I think one thing that's definitely

9:32

stood out is there many fielders who are

9:34

in the ring as opposed

9:36

to watching men's game I'm not actually

9:38

stood out on the ring. They're

9:41

pretty like a few meters in which

9:43

obviously differs to

9:45

how you'll see it if you watch an IPL match

9:47

because I think the pace of the game is different

9:50

or Also the strength

9:52

of the players and I think

9:54

one thing has been apparent apart from unless you're

9:56

like the big gun in the team the strength

9:58

of many of after it

10:00

hasn't been something striking that you

10:03

could pretty much afford to cut

10:06

a few steps off, get closer and

10:08

we've seen quite a few sneaky

10:10

singles have also like been cut

10:13

down. So I've noticed that I'm not

10:15

sure if you've picked it up but the field

10:17

placings have seemed a little bit different and obviously

10:19

it cuts down on the angle which if you're

10:21

a gun fielder then okay fine like you can

10:23

manage it but then again I think if your

10:25

fielding's not that great then the sharp

10:27

sharp at the angle it's going to be harder

10:29

for you but so far it's been working and

10:31

I'm pretty sure that's just something that's different in

10:33

a women's game compared to the men's. No I

10:35

know what you mean because you know when you

10:37

have the men's game and you do have certain

10:40

players you absolutely will appear but if you've got

10:42

Glenn Phillips kind of batting you're going to, if

10:44

you're one of those ring fielders you're going to

10:46

want to be on the ring because it's just

10:48

about making sure the ball doesn't get past you.

10:50

No I'm not even going to do that as

10:52

soon as I see the bowlers in their delivery

10:54

position I'm backpedaling I'm like give me more. You're

10:56

doing the opposite of a streaker to get your channel

10:58

get off the pitch as soon as possible

11:01

but like you know when you

11:03

have certain domestic Indian players in the WPL

11:05

who as you say aren't hitting the ball

11:07

quite as hard and they're looking to manipulate

11:10

things round squeeze the field in and some

11:12

people are doing it but some teams aren't

11:14

and I think it's more noticeable when teams

11:16

aren't because those singles in the ring have

11:18

been easier but I think in the women's

11:20

game as you say you can

11:23

afford to squeeze in cut off those

11:25

angles and we've spoken about this before

11:27

actually when we've mentioned during the

11:29

Ashes and in a lot of club

11:31

cricket and county cricket teams put their

11:34

most intimidating best fielder at a short

11:36

extra cover and it blocks

11:38

off so many runs because it cuts off

11:40

the angle and when in the

11:42

women's game people are bowling fuller people are on

11:44

the front foot more if you have that field

11:46

they're like a little bit in they're in your

11:49

eye line. Yeah they're already half-heartedly like going towards

11:51

the shot anyway where they could if they for

11:53

a matter of fact if they could fully committed

11:55

they'd probably hit it past because the chances of

11:57

the that short extra actually stopping everything.

12:00

is probably what 50, 60

12:02

percent? It's more so just to get into

12:04

your head. But one thing I did notice

12:06

this was when I was out in India

12:08

like a few years ago when I was

12:10

training with a lot of like the local

12:12

state girls, the strength factor was quite

12:15

striking like be it

12:17

under 19 or women's like

12:19

the average strength wasn't

12:21

as much if I had to compare it to

12:23

coming from like a sorry age under 19 age

12:25

group or like training with the women's team. Like

12:27

I think the strength thing was definitely a

12:30

factor that I noticed immediately and it was

12:33

like they had incorporated that element

12:35

into how they played as well.

12:38

Like when like the feel like

12:40

the bowlers if you're playing against a leg spin and

12:42

they're filled with adjusted knowing that x

12:44

doesn't actually have the power to get off the back

12:46

foot. And if there's no pace on the ball as

12:49

well. So I did notice that and obviously plus

12:51

in India the soil's different but

12:53

wicket's gonna play differently. So unless

12:55

you can generate a lot of

12:57

power yourself which I think the

12:59

overseas can and the

13:02

internationals. I think South

13:04

Asians do develop at like develop

13:06

at a slower rate as in like

13:08

they'll reach for maturity or like strength

13:11

slightly later. So if you had to

13:13

compare a 16 year old South

13:16

Asian compared to a 16 year old

13:19

someone like playing in England like English

13:21

flair the strength will be

13:23

different until a certain point when if

13:26

let's say that 16 year old is now 24, 25 then

13:28

you'll see it catch up. But initially

13:31

and I'm not sure if it's because culture,

13:33

diet, all of that obviously plays a fact

13:35

like majority of people are vegetarians still if

13:37

you think about it. I'm not saying that

13:40

everyone eats meat but protein does have a

13:42

huge impact on. Oh my god it's scientist

13:44

Nikki. I love hearing this. I

13:47

really hope that there is like you did

13:49

remember this correctly otherwise we could be spreading

13:51

false information and then we're going to be

13:53

done for we're going to be told

13:55

off for spreading false scientific truth but I

13:58

do I do but I do. I

14:00

definitely believe in what you say. And I think

14:02

it's a great observation to make, certainly. The

14:05

thing is, sorry, sorry to interrupt, but even

14:07

through coaching, when you've been coaching like

14:10

county age groups or like coaching at different academies,

14:12

when you've got, let's say you're doing like an

14:14

under 14 session and you'll have a 14 year

14:16

old South Asian kid come up or you'll have

14:18

a 14 year old English kid come up, they

14:20

like, in structured, you will think the 14 year

14:22

old South Asian kid probably belongs to the under

14:24

12. Unless there is one plus one or two

14:26

of the odd ones out, but

14:29

majority of the time it's like, you

14:31

wouldn't be able to compete there. And I think

14:33

that goes into something that, I think I was

14:35

discussing, who was I discussing this with? I can't

14:37

remember. I don't want to say a name because

14:40

I've been speaking to a lot of people recently,

14:42

but like just going through the age

14:44

groups and like I was having a conversation regarding

14:46

should there actually be county cricket up until the

14:48

age of under 15? Because obviously kids are still

14:50

developing at that point. You've got kids who would

14:52

be scoring hundreds of fun, like an under 12,

14:55

under 13, mainly because they're just

14:57

extremely strong for their age. But down the

14:59

line when they're under 18, under 19, they've

15:02

fallen off the bandwagon and they

15:04

haven't been able to like keep up in

15:06

terms of like their skillset wise because it's

15:08

not just a strength game. And like, I

15:10

think cricket definitely is a game that you,

15:13

after a certain point, you wouldn't really like

15:15

hesitate putting an under 18 with

15:18

a 25, 30 year old, right?

15:20

Like it's predominantly becomes

15:22

very much skill based as opposed to

15:24

strength based. But maybe going

15:26

through like a sport like rugby, you

15:29

probably wouldn't give the under 13 kid

15:31

a chance to play in the men's club fast

15:33

team. I'm just imagining the year sevens running around

15:35

in a men's rugby team. I

15:38

think they would be flattened like in a

15:40

Looney Tunes cartoon. Now,

15:48

another thing I've picked up on so far as

15:52

we record this is that six out of the eight games,

15:54

which have been one of them one by the team

15:56

batting second, which showing signs that

15:58

these are good chasing wickets, of course. We

16:00

spoke a lot last episode about are the scores

16:02

going to go up are they going to go down? I

16:05

think it's hard to

16:07

judge because they are rotating the pitches they've been

16:09

used You know

16:11

after five games the first inning score was

16:13

going down every game, but the last three

16:15

games It's been better scores Essentially, we're going

16:18

to completely have to reevaluate it as soon

16:20

as they move venues for the second half

16:22

of the competition anyway, so Maybe

16:25

whatever I think the rule is whichever one

16:27

we speculate on it will be the opposite

16:29

because they just like proving us

16:31

wrong but Yeah, that's what

16:33

one thing I kind of noticed is looking at the

16:36

kind of chasing the other thing is the use of

16:38

spin Now overall in

16:40

this year's WPL as we record the

16:42

amount of spin being used is 58%

16:45

of the overs But it's being

16:47

used really differently between two of the teams

16:49

if you compare Delhi Capitals Only 30% of

16:51

their overs is spin and this is after

16:53

they brought in two spinners They've got Jonathan

16:55

and Manny they've been playing for their for

16:58

their last game and then they didn't fall

17:00

out of caps But

17:02

then you compare that to UP warriors who

17:04

we spoke about in the last episode having

17:06

always backed themselves into a bit of a

17:09

corner with only two potential seamers really in

17:11

their playing 11 and So

17:13

they've always just embraced having a lot of

17:15

spinners now, which I don't think is a

17:17

bad thing They're averaging 84% spin and they

17:19

bold 19 overs of spin the other day

17:21

like Just one over from Savani

17:24

was theme and it did slow down the game

17:26

I don't know if this is a record to

17:28

spin use ones I want to play it against

17:30

Newport and it was a 50 over game

17:32

and I'm pretty sure they bold 47

17:34

over the spin and I wanted to die

17:37

But I think it's a really good tactic because as we

17:39

were just saying for the non international

17:41

players It's not too hard

17:43

to hit and if they've got to this point

17:45

where they're like a selection hasn't quite gone to

17:47

plan Lauren bells laughs. We don't have that seem

17:50

option Let's just like squeeze them with spin and

17:52

they have good spinners in their team And

17:54

you know, it's worked for them with with two

17:56

wins, so they might be just turning their fortunes around

17:59

a bit last week when we

18:01

were discussing obviously we knew that UP

18:03

worries didn't have that extreme pace like

18:05

they lost players from last year

18:07

like Shabs went over to Mumbai Indians and obviously

18:10

they I think and they addressed the fact that

18:12

they knew that they lacked in that department but

18:14

obviously when you don't when there's nothing else you

18:16

can do you've got to like use what you

18:18

have right so I think what

18:21

they've done has obviously been like right how can

18:23

we effectively just use the

18:25

bowlers we have like we've got spin we've got to have

18:27

to use this to our advantage um

18:30

and yeah I think it

18:33

can be hard like I think not everyone is

18:36

still as

18:38

strong against spin and I think especially

18:41

when you are under the pump I think in chases

18:45

you might luck out a little bit more because

18:48

when the pressure and the pressure gets

18:50

high you're probably going to be playing slightly

18:52

more higher risk shots and as a result

18:54

of that then chances are that you will

18:57

maybe get some breakthroughs there but obviously they

18:59

have they're lacking on the pace pace department

19:02

I mean they swapped in Tarlene they got

19:04

Chamari S. Patu into the squad for her

19:06

first game just yesterday and Tarlene McGraw was

19:08

the person who missed out but I think

19:11

it's just a case of normally you know

19:14

never needing to follow the convention in cricket just

19:16

because someone said that you're meant to have an

19:18

equal number of seamers for spinners that's just the

19:20

way the game is played if one of your

19:22

seamers is going for Rams and she's not performing

19:24

then of course you would take her out of

19:26

the team get Chamari S. Patu and you can

19:29

bowl spin bowl 19 over the spin and win

19:31

the game like this could be a

19:33

really strange winning tactic for UP

19:35

which completely Reverses their fortunes after

19:37

that first week and I think whether the sport

19:39

is a such that you just got to do

19:42

what works for you and I think there is

19:44

a trend that you end up following what's mainstream

19:46

or what everyone does that like you will have

19:48

X amount of seamers and X amount of bowlers

19:51

and this is going to be the split and

19:53

sometimes you've got to see what you have in

19:55

the tank and like what your strengths are and

19:57

just play with that. I think they're like. Too

20:00

much friends. I think that's a. Period. Like maybe

20:02

what? two three years ago when everyone is

20:04

obsessed with how. Baseball.

20:06

Hit his were like so powerful and

20:08

how well they could hit and and

20:10

how far they could have a fool

20:12

and then funny though the theory that.

20:15

Loads. Of counties am loads of

20:17

coaches started using baseball techniques of how people

20:19

about say and on something everyone starts as

20:22

changed and ever on Sponsors will like really

20:24

high fat list because apparently from baseball if

20:26

we replicate unless you can still see kids

20:28

now who's come in and then oh yeah

20:31

but we like lambs he added we have

20:33

like a base will cricket intercession and relax

20:35

and like what everyone funny follow the trend

20:37

and and something else happens and then like

20:40

they follow that trend a man burrow shape

20:42

that spot what we're saying have or see

20:44

you on the needing. A that say

20:46

I know some people like desks. I

20:49

think it's Farm Boy, seventy, Bolland, Boeing

20:51

and hats. Like. This

20:53

is like I really don't my kids like

20:55

it's not happy. This is like the biggest

20:58

stage for women such as cricket in the

21:00

world right now and you're wearing a hat

21:02

to bowl, take your has all over the

21:04

phone and made sure I had my highlights

21:07

on before the tournament and really have my

21:09

hands on and avastin a both hundred like

21:11

you can really see the light as I'm

21:14

not I'm not sure I'm not or how

21:16

have that isn't sometimes policy poses someplace have

21:18

said they like that's our grand love looking

21:20

like glammed up for games that makes. A

21:23

play better for the now does. have a

21:25

like an eye makeup and hair and it's

21:27

wonderful acrylic for matches that I swear she

21:29

has a at I'm not an ex Bell

21:31

nails but she was a Lauren Bowers have

21:33

her nails done that looks so nice when

21:35

she plays bad or be so scared about

21:37

breaking a nail. I was in the nail

21:39

salon yesterday and I saw like some girls

21:42

get than a hostile i'm looks at those

21:44

nails and I like though they're not nails

21:46

as a clause and then I just think

21:48

else imagine if you lately for you it's

21:50

pretty woman the end of it like how

21:52

make. Sure, They.

21:54

Just look like claws I just i

21:57

always have thoughts many night as about

21:59

the board. I think about have always wanted

22:01

to get nicer than but I'm not out into the

22:03

on the hook them I can't do that and author.

22:06

Of I I catch the ball like

22:08

crocodile fingers navy to close would help

22:10

my not really sure if it wasn't

22:13

seven listening as close as you can't

22:15

say nicky to simulate the spike. Congress,

22:17

Congress and New Years. We've been a bit

22:19

off topic for the only thing I want

22:21

to think that in this episode and appreciate

22:23

we have evidence to most he turned against

22:25

the hasn't been. As much excitement

22:27

or that first week for this will vary

22:30

from week to week and will probably go

22:32

a little bit more into the game from

22:34

we get the crunch stages but it was

22:36

a few comments made and yes a game

22:38

by commentator and and Chopra when she was

22:40

speaking to Grace Harris on the play and

22:42

like which I don't don't even necessarily think

22:44

is a great thing because the place trying

22:47

to focus on fielding and you're talking to

22:49

them in this case about burgers which seems

22:51

to become a thing with great power Yes

22:53

of course she's spoken before, she loves back

22:55

and she name for cricket bats. After her

22:57

favorite burgers as I ha is kind

22:59

of like when you mentioned your own

23:01

she did you not Penguins and twenty

23:03

seven. Which is the thing I've

23:06

got a month and a miss. the I

23:08

love penguins but it does mean for the

23:10

next five, ten years or get his penguin

23:12

seems presidents. And then you

23:14

end up making a little bit crazy is

23:16

kind of like that. She's mentions she's mention

23:18

burgers. I could couple times now. The only

23:20

thing the commentators say is guys are you

23:22

have to back off to the game. you

23:25

know, celebrate with a burglary. Still celebrates. Like.

23:27

I I I I would say have

23:30

good l with and the comments as

23:32

tix he didn't like is the fact

23:34

that she was talking about Grace has

23:36

his weight on essentially suggesting that gross

23:39

Harris was looking more name on tones

23:41

compared to how she looked in last

23:43

year's competition and I spend senior at

23:45

you know some stuff on social media

23:48

people pointing this out and slugging it

23:50

and saying that. It.

23:52

Should not be. I don't think accommodate

23:54

his place to discuss apply as way

23:56

to nine hundred and say i know

23:59

it's a doctor. or a nutritionist.

24:01

Nutritionist. If you are professionally qualified

24:03

to talk about someone's weight, which

24:06

these teams will have behind the scenes, then

24:08

they're the people who should be talking about

24:10

it. Commentators, fans, anyone else should not be

24:12

discussing a player's weight. And Raph Nicholson from

24:14

the Cricut Herr podcast pointed out that there's

24:17

really high eating disorder rates with female

24:19

cricketers as well. So, and

24:22

also why are you associating sliminess with fitness?

24:24

It's not the same. Grace Harris is one

24:27

of the best athletes there is in

24:29

terms of fitness on the pitch. You can see how strong

24:31

she is and how muscly is by

24:33

the fact she's taking 90 metre sixes every other

24:36

day. And I just think

24:38

this commenting on players' weights is entirely

24:40

inappropriate. Being slimmer, being thin doesn't really

24:42

mean you're going to be the fittest

24:44

person or you'll be able to bat

24:46

the longest innings or anything like that.

24:48

But you know what? Like, I'm not

24:51

as surprised that it came from unjemtroopera,

24:53

just more so I think it's a

24:55

culture thing. Like, I've

24:58

from personal experience and like experience with people

25:01

around me, like, they're

25:03

very like, the subcontinent or people in

25:06

India at least are very quick to

25:08

like, talk about your weight even if

25:10

they don't know you. Like,

25:12

you could be like meeting like a

25:14

distant auntie who's not even related, like

25:16

you just call maybe one of your

25:18

mum's friends like an auntie and

25:20

they will be the first person

25:22

to like discuss your weight. Like,

25:25

I remember, this is quite a long time ago,

25:27

like I was a kid, like

25:29

proper kid, like I still think I had

25:31

braces or something when I went. I'd gone

25:33

to India and he'd literally just arrived in

25:35

the morning, so I got back home and

25:37

I literally

25:39

within like an hour or something, my dad's uncle came round and with

25:41

his family could be like, hey,

25:45

like, whatever, like catch up with us. He

25:48

walks in and he like looks at me and he's like, you put on weight,

25:51

like you're looking very fat and I'm like, what? And

25:54

then, oh my God. Nice

25:57

to see you do your thanks, okay, bye. And

26:00

in my head, obviously, that's not nice to hear in

26:02

the first place. And then B, it's like you're

26:05

going through puberty and all of that sort of stuff. The last

26:07

thing you really want to hear. And obviously your body changes like

26:09

a lot. And I think A, a lot of

26:11

people aren't like they

26:14

don't think it's harmful because they think it's a

26:16

joke and like they're probably laughing about this burger

26:18

thing. And they don't realize that

26:20

obviously those words can hurt. And they're just saying

26:23

it as like full on like banter. But it

26:25

depends how it affects the other person. And it's

26:27

just I think it's a culture thing. There's recently

26:29

the other day I was watching this interview of

26:33

this Bollywood influencer and actress. And

26:35

it was like a really good

26:37

interview. And she was basically

26:39

discussing how and she was the first

26:42

like open topic conversation that there's been

26:44

in the industry about body shaming and

26:46

how in her family or even in

26:48

the industry, for example, like

26:51

she's been shamed when she first entered or

26:54

entered the industry. And like even at home when

26:56

she was like 14 and at school, like her

26:58

family relatives would come home and be like like

27:01

fat shame her and her sister and her mom and be

27:03

like, oh, well, your mom's fat. And then I wonder if

27:05

she's got two fat daughters as well. And like it's a

27:07

whole like it's so

27:10

big in India and people

27:12

just like brush it off as a joke. And

27:14

I think it's something that a lot of people

27:16

don't say anything because that whole

27:18

thing of culture be like, oh, it's come from

27:20

someone elder. You're not going to say anything. You

27:22

won't stand up because that might be perceived as

27:25

you're being rude or you're like questioning them or

27:27

answering them back. So a lot of people don't

27:29

say anything. But the amount of people that have

27:32

come together after this interview and like if you

27:34

just look at it, now become a bit more

27:37

of a like topical conversation, which is great because

27:39

it's going to take it needs to take people

27:41

like those Bollywood stars to talk

27:43

up to make it less socially acceptable. And I

27:45

think, yeah, if they don't speak about it, no

27:47

one's going to speak about it because a majority

27:49

of populations are going to get strength from being

27:51

like, oh, but they spoke about it and then

27:53

they'll feel a bit more comfortable talking about it.

27:55

You know, this is really strange. Like I

27:58

still I thought like when I went back this time, I'd like. figure

28:00

it like it would be different. Like if

28:02

you're on your like period people won't say you're on

28:04

your period there's another word and I'm like when I

28:06

first went and I was like oh I can't and

28:08

then um I went to the gym and my friend

28:10

was like oh I'm not gonna go to the gym

28:12

today I'm chummy and I was like eh what is

28:14

like what and I'm like and I was like what

28:17

like and she like looked to me and I was

28:19

like what does that mean and like now like no

28:21

no one uses the word like on my period it's

28:23

like another word for it because they don't want to

28:25

say they're on their period like and it's just bizarre

28:27

like a strange taboo and

28:29

it's just it

28:32

you know it's tiring almost in a way that

28:34

women have to be subject to this to to

28:36

boo for things that happen naturally and for periods

28:38

and for weight fluctuations and anything and constantly being

28:41

and you know this isn't just the women's game

28:43

in terms of cricket because we've seen the effect

28:45

of comments on players weight in the men's game

28:47

um with Freddie Flintoff of course I

28:50

just as we as we said earlier I

28:52

don't think it adds anything to the commentary

28:54

to to comment on the players weight I

28:56

mean people were making comments about how Ben

28:58

Stokes was looking on the coverage on the

29:00

radio coverage of the most recent test and

29:03

I think that's something we could have left in

29:05

2023 so I know that two months into

29:08

2024 already but let's leave

29:10

it's like majorly impacting

29:12

their performance and Lizelle Lee right

29:15

South Africa's Lizelle Lee and there

29:17

was that whole issue about I

29:19

think her weight got brought up there as

29:21

well plenty of time and done over near

29:23

Kirk as well as I

29:25

said there's people who are paid

29:28

behind the scenes to make these calls

29:30

on players and they're the experts not

29:32

the commentators not the fans and

29:34

they should be the ones who are in

29:37

you know consultation with players because

29:39

they have the necessary discretion and

29:42

you know kindness to be able to speak to

29:44

a player and understand that every person is different

29:46

particularly in the women's game everyone is shaped

29:49

differently there's so many different kinds of

29:51

athletes Tammy Beaumont

29:53

said this she said you know she said

29:55

before people have looked at me and said I don't

29:57

look like an athlete well who else can go break Snowball's

30:00

record in an Ashes test, Carrie

30:03

Beaumont wants that too. So let's

30:05

leave these comments just in

30:08

the past because they're not appreciated. On

30:11

that very happy note, Nikki, should

30:14

we sign off today's episode and then we'll

30:16

be recording another one probably

30:18

mid-week next week? Yes, but also

30:20

just if you've already answered

30:23

the questionnaire that we put out with the last

30:25

episode, thank you so much. If you haven't, we're

30:27

going to attach the link onto this episode as

30:29

well. So we're just doing a little bit of

30:31

research on participation in the women's

30:34

game and want to know why people have

30:36

not dropped out from playing, if there's any

30:38

certain reasons, and those who

30:40

have continued, what's your motivation, etc. It's really

30:42

short, it's not going to take more than

30:45

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30:56

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