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series which has taken a turn

2:02

today I think Simon and

2:04

absorbing third-days cricket in Ranshi

2:07

but England not emerging with

2:10

many plaudits from it really with

2:13

you know they're looking down the barrel aren't they? 152 more runs

2:15

for India to win all 10 wickets in hand and

2:18

England's bowlers tonight didn't look

2:21

threatening. India

2:23

rev the steamroller up today they really

2:25

did a totally dominating day

2:27

from India they controlled I think

2:29

all three sessions of the match

2:32

and you'd expect them to go on and

2:34

win the game and win the series from

2:36

here. I saw a tweet from Stewart Broad

2:38

or a post from Stewart Broad that said

2:40

every bowling attack in the world would expect

2:42

to defend 200 on this pitch I think

2:45

they go on to win you know great credit to

2:47

them it will be a great win 192. I just

2:50

think this India batting

2:52

lineup just looks to have a bit too much

2:54

nice a bit too much quality against

2:57

you know a good ish England attack they've

2:59

really tried hard in the series but

3:02

I don't know it seems a long shot to me for England

3:04

to find 10 balls before India scored 192

3:07

that they need to win this test

3:09

match I mean there is something in this

3:12

surface but we've

3:14

also seen batters if they are determined they

3:16

can stick around and knock the ball around

3:18

there are singles on offer aren't they Jaws?

3:20

England have set the field back hoping for

3:22

the one that shoots along the ground and

3:25

catches a player or whatever and

3:27

so you just back India to piece it

3:29

together really and win

3:31

the series. You do well the

3:33

stark contrast in between India's

3:36

last three wickets added 130 runs

3:40

so we were expecting England to perhaps get a lead of

3:42

70 or 80 after the overnight

3:46

situation and instead they've only

3:48

got a lead of just over 40 because of

3:51

the excellence of Khoulip Yadav and obviously

3:53

Dhruv Jharel the wicket keeper as well

3:55

holding England up for the best part

3:57

of the first session today and

4:00

getting 130 runs from the last three

4:02

wickets. England only managed 145 in their

4:04

second innings from

4:07

all 10 wickets. I think that's

4:09

a stark indication of the difference in

4:11

the teams, the difference in the way

4:13

they are able to adapt to the

4:15

conditions and particularly the strength of the

4:17

Indian spin bowlers who just never let

4:19

England get away, just probed

4:22

away hoping for a mistake and

4:24

there were plenty of them in

4:26

the end. Yeah let's face it,

4:28

this is a very good Indian

4:30

spin attack in reasonably good

4:32

conditions in which to bowl spin. There's

4:34

enough there isn't there, there's low bounce,

4:37

they're quality bowlers, they really are and they've

4:39

been around the block as well and they're

4:41

all different. So you've got Jadajah, you've got

4:44

Ashwin, you've got Kool Deep Yadav, they all

4:46

offer something different. Kool Deep Yadav was superb

4:48

today, Ashwin picked up another five

4:50

fur, got some early wickets, that got his

4:52

confidence up as well and he opened the

4:54

bowling. They went straight for the juggler didn't

4:56

they, no seam bowlers for England to sort

4:58

of knock to the boundary for a few

5:00

easy fours early on potentially. They went straight

5:02

for the juggler Ashwin starting off with Jadajah

5:04

and it worked and Ashwin picked up a

5:06

couple of wickets and India on their way,

5:09

England were on the back foot and things

5:11

they were on the back foot to

5:13

some extent when they started their innings because of the

5:15

way India had batted in that morning session, they really

5:17

whittled away at the lead. England,

5:20

best case scenario, we talked about this last

5:23

night, best case scenario for England would be

5:25

like a 100 run lead. Well you know

5:27

that did not materialize for them and you

5:29

know they did have themselves to blame, they

5:32

dropped an important catch. Ollie Robinson at mid-wicket,

5:34

265 the score at that time, Jarell

5:39

dropped on 59, he went on to make

5:41

90, they went on to make another what

5:44

was it 40 odd runs, vital runs

5:46

you know in the context of the

5:48

game. So you know that there was

5:50

a moment although having said that just

5:52

watching that morning session, England didn't really

5:54

threaten to, they didn't

5:56

look really threatening, you thought well this

5:59

was just going to go for England

6:01

in a strange way. They actually did quite well to

6:03

get a 46-run lead the way things

6:05

were going, but they found a way through,

6:08

but they just totally controlled the day.

6:10

What do they call the third day of a Test match?

6:12

It's moving day, isn't it? Yours, the third day? Well, they

6:14

certainly spun the world

6:16

on its axis today, India, and

6:18

dominated the day, and they're in

6:20

a great position to win the game now. I

6:23

think if you just contrast the

6:25

dedication of the Indian

6:28

key players today, for instance,

6:31

and the naivety or novice

6:34

status, let's say, of some

6:36

of England's players, particularly their bowling attack,

6:39

no blame attached to them. They've been pitched

6:41

in. The likes of Shoad Bashir and Tom

6:43

Hartley, they've been pitched into this cauldron

6:46

of Indian cricket to try and go

6:48

where many England teams in the past

6:51

have not been and try

6:53

and unseat the Indian dominance, the Indian

6:55

power, the Indian authority in their home

6:57

conditions. They've

7:00

played a handful of first-class games between

7:03

the Nevermind Test cricket, whereas

7:05

you've got obviously Ravi Ashwin,

7:07

and listening to him after the

7:09

game today talking about the way

7:11

he applied his bowling, how he

7:13

adapted his bowling, how he thought

7:15

about his bowling to have

7:18

the most impact in today's play, and

7:20

trying to make the ball get into

7:22

the pitch a bit more early on.

7:24

He was given the new ball. Of

7:26

course, he started in international cricket, bowling,

7:28

or at least in top-level cricket, bowling

7:30

with the new ball in IPL cricket,

7:32

opening the bowling in the power play

7:34

for the Chennai Super Kings, and just

7:37

having an absolute mastery of denying

7:40

batsman easy runs, bowling with the new

7:42

ball, something he

7:44

learnt quite early in his life. Here,

7:47

bowling with the new ball, adjusting

7:50

the position of the seam very slightly, but trying

7:52

to get into the pitch to get the ball

7:54

to skid on and maybe bounce

7:56

a bit awkwardly, and he got those

7:58

three early wickets. not with

8:00

conventional off-spin, but with

8:03

the book, largely the book going straight

8:05

on. So we'll explore the

8:07

way he got those wickets a bit

8:09

later in the podcast. But the other

8:11

person who had a key role in

8:14

this day was Dhruv Jhuel, the young

8:16

Indian wicket keeper, only in his second test

8:18

match. And the

8:20

dedication that he has shown to

8:23

get where he's got to is

8:25

quite impressive. Simon, you got a

8:27

tweet from our friend Khaustatz to

8:30

tell you how it all started

8:32

for him. Yeah, Khaustabh

8:34

Gudipati, who goes at Khaustatz on

8:36

X, he said,

8:39

Dhruv Jhuel traveled alone from Agra to

8:41

Noida to enroll in an academy at

8:43

the age of 13. Initially,

8:46

he didn't have a place to live, but

8:48

was later given hostile accommodation. His mother sold

8:50

her gold jewelry to buy a cricket kit.

8:52

And then he built a home gym through

8:54

the money he earned from the under-19 World

8:57

Cup. So

8:59

there's a determination, isn't there,

9:01

to succeed. And presumably, when

9:03

you get that chance to try to take it,

9:06

and he did today, I thought he batted it

9:08

excellently. Although I didn't think England put enough pressure

9:10

on him. I thought they went to that old

9:13

saw, really, which is just tried to get the bloke out at

9:15

the other end, called it Yaddam, and called it. It

9:18

really supported him well. So there wasn't that

9:20

much pressure on Jhuel, although when

9:22

it was time to go, he really went, didn't

9:24

he? And he was whacking the ball over the

9:26

ropes. He should have been caught on 59 by

9:28

Ollie Robinson. I noticed Joe Root went up to

9:30

him at the end of the innings and congratulated

9:32

him on his 90. Of course,

9:35

they would know each other from Rajasthan Royals,

9:37

wouldn't they? Joe Root wouldn't have

9:39

been playing much last year, but he was seen a lot

9:41

of due to Raoul and probably recognized his talent as well.

9:43

And there was a nice touch from Joe Root to go

9:45

up to him and say, well played.

9:47

Yeah, exactly. And it was the

9:49

Royals who, again, as

9:52

they had with a number of players like

9:54

Jai as well, have polished the raw diamond,

9:57

although still Jhuel has obviously got a long

9:59

way to go. and he's only in his

10:01

second test match. But I had a

10:03

message today from Zubin Baracha, the director

10:05

of cricket at the Radastan Royals, who's

10:07

quite a good friend and has been

10:09

a huge influence on Jai as well.

10:11

And he says that he remembers when

10:13

Dhruv Durell turned up to the Radastan

10:16

Royals. I remember him hitting one ball

10:18

over extra cover for an enormous six

10:20

and thought, this looked different and special.

10:23

And they then look back at the

10:25

video when they were sort of consulting

10:27

with who they would select for the

10:30

squad. They look back at the video

10:32

and they saw, they found that shot

10:34

of Dhruv Durell hitting that one over

10:36

extra cover and also realized that he

10:39

kept very briefly and looked effortless. So

10:42

Zubin says, as soon as the Royals picked

10:45

him, the work began. He was an unbelievably

10:47

committed student of willing to work to the

10:49

point of physical and mental exhaustion to learn

10:51

his craft. We've been preparing for the last

10:53

18 months. Regardless

10:56

of the version of cricket, we

10:58

don't take that into the equation at

11:00

all. The practice and all his practice

11:02

is mainly focusing on how and where

11:04

runs can be scored. And he says,

11:07

just before the test match, he came

11:09

to the Radastan Royals High Performance Center

11:11

in Teligon and batted for 140 overs in a

11:13

day. It

11:16

took over four hours on different

11:18

spinning surfaces. It was a monumental

11:20

practice session, one of the few

11:22

that matched Jai's Wells long sessions.

11:26

So that just shows a fair

11:28

amount of, you could call it

11:30

almost desperation to succeed, nevermind dedication.

11:33

Well, it all came together for him today,

11:35

didn't it? And okay, he missed out on

11:38

his hundred. He was actually dismissed by superb

11:40

delivery from Tom Hartley. As I

11:42

said, I was saying earlier, you wonder where it

11:44

was gonna end up because he was really tucking

11:46

into England's bowlers. But it was a

11:48

lovely delivery from Hartley to actually bowl him out. I suppose

11:50

you just slightly open up a bit, don't you, when you're

11:52

batting with the number 11, rather

11:56

than being ultra-cautious or quite cautious, you

11:59

become a bit more... and so he just

12:01

opened up slightly, a fine delivery from

12:03

Tom Hartley. So England finally getting through

12:06

India, 88 for three today, they've

12:08

butted the whole session, and Bashir finishing with 5

12:10

for 119 from 44 over. So

12:14

yeah, fantastic effort from him really in his

12:16

second Test match. We were talking about this

12:18

yesterday, I just wanted to make another point.

12:22

You were talking yesterday about how the county

12:24

game is not really the friendly home of

12:29

the spinner, and it rather sort

12:31

of churns them out a bit

12:33

and rejects them, or spits them out and rejects

12:35

them. What I would say

12:37

though is that Somerset of course have spotted

12:40

Bashir's promise and put him in the team

12:42

at 19. So they

12:44

have given him an opportunity. So there is

12:46

a county who did see his promise, okay?

12:48

He left sir at the age of 19,

12:51

so went back into the minor system if

12:53

you like. And Somerset, you said, yeah, we

12:55

see something there. So credit to them, not

12:57

just spotting his talent, but also being prepared

12:59

to back him and stick him in

13:01

their championship team as well. Yeah, I think Somerset

13:04

maybe are an outlier in that sense,

13:06

because they do see the value

13:08

of spin down in the West

13:10

Country, which perhaps other counties don't, or they

13:12

don't invest in as much spin in other

13:14

counties as perhaps Somerset do. And

13:17

it was a very impressive performance, really,

13:19

really excellent. He kept outstanding

13:22

control of his line and length, hardly

13:24

bowl a loose ball, and

13:27

taxed every batsman. And in

13:30

a way it underlined the compressive nature of this

13:32

pitch that there was nothing

13:34

there for him a lot of the time. And

13:36

then occasionally he produced a wicked delivery. But

13:39

in the main, the pitch kind of

13:41

goes to sleep for a while. And

13:43

then suddenly seems to wake up again.

13:45

It's quite unpredictable. Obviously, England will be

13:48

hoping it wakes up again on the

13:50

fourth morning from a bowling point of

13:52

view. But when

13:54

they went into bat, I

13:57

think the Indian approach had changed.

14:00

changed slightly. I mean, certainly, firstly,

14:02

they open with spin from both ends. And

14:04

I think also the field

14:06

settings have been a bit cleverer

14:09

too. They've taken account, for instance,

14:11

of Ben Duckett's enjoyment of the

14:13

sweeps and sort of covered that off. So

14:15

he's had to kind of try and play

14:17

a different way. And that's slightly

14:19

opened the door to, well, that

14:21

opened the door in the case

14:24

of Duckett anyway, getting his wicket

14:26

called at short defending, which

14:28

perhaps isn't his natural game. And that, you

14:30

know, paid away. Well, that was still a

14:32

reasonable opening partnership again. It got

14:35

close to 40, but in

14:38

a way, Duckett, the wicket of

14:40

Duckett, left-hander, a different way

14:42

of playing to Crawley, that

14:45

just created an opportunity for the Indians. And

14:47

then, of course, poor old Ollie Pope getting

14:50

a pair the next ball. Mm.

14:53

Yep. It happens, doesn't it? It happens

14:55

to excellent players Graham Gootch, happened to

14:57

him in his first Test match, probably all self-respecting

14:59

batters over the course of their careers have got

15:01

a pair. Have you got a pair, Yoz? You

15:04

must have got a pair. I got a pair

15:06

in my last ever match. I

15:08

mean, how weird is that? Clean ball.

15:10

Time to go, Yoz. It was time

15:12

to go. I was played on to

15:14

Kevin Curran in the first innings. And

15:16

then, I mean, I suppose this has

15:18

got to be one of the best

15:21

all-time pairs because I think the second

15:23

ball played on to Kevin Curran. Then

15:25

in the second innings, came

15:27

into bat against Curtley Ambrose.

15:31

And Curtley Ambrose, I've just got Neil

15:33

Williams, LBW, with a short ball which

15:35

went straight along the ground. And

15:38

so I thought, I'd better get forward to the next one.

15:41

And I got forward to Ambrose and I was wearing it

15:43

in front of my face, punched it

15:45

to Gully. Pair. Thank

15:47

you very much. Never bat it again. Probably

15:50

just as well, actually. You only lasted the

15:53

one ball, Yoz. You came out intact, if

15:55

you're like, not your wicket intact, but your

15:57

body intact. Getting forward to

15:59

Curtley Ambrose. Anyway, that's the thought. What

16:02

did you think when England started

16:04

to bat for the second time? A lead of 46

16:07

and India would have to bat last. Had

16:11

the psychology of the game changed because of

16:13

the way India were able to eat into

16:15

England's lead, 46 is still a reasonable advantage,

16:17

isn't it, when the opposition have got to

16:20

bat last. Obviously, at one stage, it looked

16:22

like it could be possibly even 120, even

16:24

150. I mean, India

16:26

were 177 for 7, 176 runs behind. If

16:31

they'd gone bang, bang, bang then, there'd been a massive

16:34

lead. But it was down to 46. The

16:37

game has sort of psychologically changed

16:39

by then. It's a momentum shift,

16:41

isn't it? And inevitably, if the

16:43

tail wag, as the Indians one

16:45

did, you then feel more confident

16:47

when you go

16:49

in with the ball, don't you? And

16:52

the English one will have been deflated

16:54

by the leaking of runs like that,

16:56

the loss of the

16:58

opportunity, the chance that was missed, etc. I

17:02

mean, obviously, England had a mindset at the

17:04

moment to be positive. And Crawley

17:06

was, wasn't he? Crawley was still playing

17:08

his natural game. Duck it! He

17:11

sort of blows hot and cold a bit, doesn't he? And

17:14

that in easy play in the last test, 150, fantastic. But

17:19

he was going at it from the off,

17:21

whereas this innings got a little bit more

17:23

stuck. And both innings actually

17:26

in this test. And so he

17:28

hasn't quite kind of stayed

17:31

true to himself really. And that may

17:33

be a credit to the bowlers as

17:35

much as it is to criticising him.

17:38

But, yeah, undoubtedly, the Indians felt cock-a-hooped,

17:40

have got us close to, well, I

17:42

mean, Ashwin said after the game, if

17:45

they'd sacrifice an 80-run lead, they'd have

17:47

been happy. So to get

17:49

back to 46-run lead was a fantastic

17:51

effort. And it just gives you that

17:54

extra positivity and confidence

17:56

and optimism, which

17:58

they exploited superbly. We

18:01

don't get back on undocumented sweet and

18:03

reverse sweep. Injured ages first day when

18:05

he also wrote reverse swept Ashwin so

18:07

A did play some are they sweeps

18:09

and reverse sweeps early on by a

18:11

prop forward didn't need to to the

18:13

ball the got him mates and he

18:15

probably bought of the why not just

18:17

reversed try to reverse sweep that before

18:19

that the A's it's A that's that's

18:22

the balances night against a spin bowler.

18:24

You couldn't he have the same ball

18:26

gets you out. You can also hit

18:28

for for it because it it depends

18:30

completely. On your approach audio he was

18:32

on his way early success for India and

18:34

and that pope. yeah I'm I'm pies cold

18:36

so we've got a few on pause calls

18:38

in this game or two but Joe Root

18:40

dismissals up but after the break the impasse

18:42

call for pokemon on pause, call for Robinson's

18:44

and later on set up in a couple

18:46

went in this way to day quite a

18:49

few when England's weights or during this a

18:51

test match you think deep. Was

18:53

I to Bashir for swift test wicket

18:55

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18:57

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21:14

it's clearly India's day. They totally dominated the

21:16

day's play and put themselves in a strong

21:19

winning position after England's starting the day in

21:21

what looked to be a potential winning position.

21:24

But India had an excellent

21:26

day on this third day. One of

21:29

the big talking points was

21:31

Joe Root's dismissal. Should it be one of the big

21:33

talking points? I'm not sure. It really

21:35

should. For those of you who haven't seen

21:37

it, Ravi Chandran, Ashwin Boling, ran the wicket

21:39

to Joe Root. It was quite a full

21:41

delivery. Root was beaten. It struck

21:43

him on the pad. There was a big

21:46

appeal for LBW. It was given not out. India,

21:48

Amdenard, Ashwin, they discussed it. Really

21:51

keen on it. I think

21:53

this is out. I think this is out. And

21:55

the whole thing just hinged on whether the ball

21:57

pitched in line with the stumps or on the

21:59

outside. outside the line of leg stump because

22:01

he was bowling around the wicket. Of course

22:04

it hinged on whether he was going to

22:06

go on and hit the stumps as well.

22:08

The technology showed the ball was pitching in

22:10

line and going on to hit leg stump

22:12

but that's the only part of it because,

22:14

talking about part, part of the ball was

22:16

outside the line. Now, clear

22:19

this up for us Joss because people are saying, well

22:21

you know that looked as though the ball was pitching

22:23

outside the leg stump so much of the ball was

22:25

outside the leg stump but there's a really

22:28

crucial aspect to this. Yeah, and

22:30

it's something that actually goes back to

22:34

the early days of Hawkeye in

22:36

the early 2000s actually when it

22:38

was introduced onto Channel 4

22:41

cricket coverage right at the start

22:43

of the century and before

22:46

a season we sat

22:48

round in a producer's office debating

22:51

how to depict whether the

22:53

ball pitched outside leg stump or not

22:55

and what governs whether the

22:57

ball has pitched outside leg stump. Is

22:59

it just the tiniest part of

23:01

the ball that has to have pitched on the leg

23:03

stump? Is it the middle of the ball or is

23:06

it the whole of the ball? And

23:08

it's very difficult to tell isn't it of

23:10

course from the pitch itself. So

23:12

in the end we went with the middle of

23:14

the ball has to

23:16

have pitched inside that

23:19

tram line if you like that area

23:22

that zone which goes down the middle

23:24

of the pitch and marks the

23:26

outside of the stumps. So it's the middle

23:28

of the ball which is the key not

23:30

the whole of the ball and actually if

23:32

you think about it you know only part

23:35

of the ball actually lands on the surface

23:37

anyway so you have to

23:39

kind of consider where was the middle

23:41

of the ball landing and if the

23:43

middle of the ball was landing just

23:45

within that zone it's pitching on leg

23:47

stump. Now it's not an

23:50

umpire's call issue it's not a human

23:52

issue it's the computer that tells you

23:55

yes or no it's a simple black

23:57

and white. Did it pitch on the

23:59

stumps? Or did it pitch

24:01

outside leg stump and if the computer says

24:03

it pitched on the stumps by at least

24:05

50% in other words That

24:08

means it did pitch on the

24:11

stumps therefore. It's a potential LBW

24:14

delivery so just to be clear

24:16

if 51% of the ball pitched in line

24:19

Joe roots decision was Absolutely fine.

24:21

I know there'd be people who've got they've seen

24:23

the photograph They've got their rule around and I think

24:25

some rulers have gone on to one side a slightly

24:27

on one side the ball And some people's rulers are

24:29

going on like the other side the ball and saying

24:32

oh, no look it's not it's it's 49 Inside

24:35

and 51 outside other people say no

24:37

It's the other other way around but the technology said

24:39

more than 50% the ball 50 or more percent is

24:41

it 50 or more? I

24:44

mean what will happen that 50 50 yards.

24:46

That's a good question. I mean it's 50 point 0

24:49

0 1 probably 51

24:52

I mean this is a computer again making

24:54

the decision this this whole

24:56

thing You know the calibration of Hawkeye

24:58

takes a long time The technicians get

25:00

there and I've worked with them a lot

25:02

and they get there the day before

25:04

or even two days before the test Match

25:06

and really get all their cameras in

25:08

exactly the right positions They go out on

25:11

the field with special bits of kit

25:13

to make sure that all this calibration is

25:15

done Absolutely precisely so that

25:17

there can be no mistakes when the

25:19

match unfolds so you have to trust the

25:21

technology And one

25:24

thing is actually rather irked me in this

25:26

series is it sort of depends on who

25:28

you support How you see the

25:30

technology? I think that's wrong You know

25:32

England have had I think five umpires calls or

25:34

something like that go in their favor in this

25:36

test match So yeah, yeah, I

25:38

just think people just need to just take a

25:41

bit of a chill pill about this The

25:43

technology is neutral There's no one sort of

25:45

trying to skew it or trying to get

25:47

an advantage for the home side or anything

25:49

like that and things have Gone England's way

25:51

and some things have Gone against England, but

25:54

it's not. It's not the technology doing that

25:56

The technology is neutral and actually I had

25:58

to say when I saw that. When

26:00

I saw the near the replay of the

26:02

Abu Dhabi house will go goodness me this

26:05

is close this we have this this really

26:07

could be I eat as he just best

26:09

just outside has it just paste insights I

26:11

didn't it didn't last soccer to me. A

26:13

toy story that the technology is is a

26:16

note is gone against Joe Root but state

26:18

when in that Robbie Changin actions favor because

26:20

if fifty or more percent the ball was

26:22

landings inside the red matt the tech near

26:24

the the map that belongs to the boulder

26:26

rather than the batter.in the why people are

26:29

getting so. I worked up about. I can

26:31

see that. Yeah that might

26:33

be ignorance about the year the protocols and

26:35

I can see the fact that it was

26:38

a tight one and I can see that

26:40

was joe. Root is a big big wicket

26:42

bring the neatest felt when indigo that wicket

26:45

they was of on their way but you

26:47

just gotta get home of the game at

26:49

it is it's it's part of the game

26:51

these these technological a colds and it's a

26:54

sale that near the Hawkeyes up despite in

26:56

the series or so stuffed strikes me as

26:58

being in nonsense really yeah I mean I

27:00

suppose it is what were the. Confusion

27:02

sometimes occurs is because you get on

27:05

pause call for if the ball was

27:07

mildly eating the stumps or not be

27:09

you don't get on pause call for

27:11

pitching outside leg so there's a there's

27:14

it is a traffic light system is

27:16

nick greens for missing orange for on

27:18

pause cool and read for hitting and

27:20

that there's no orange for the ball

27:23

landing on leg stump or not it's

27:25

a cotton dried black or white red

27:27

or green. Basically there's no orange so

27:29

there's no on pause call for where

27:31

the ball. Pitched own leg stump or

27:34

not but almost there is once it's

27:36

hit the pad and going on because

27:38

the that's all just a projection. The

27:40

reason why there's an orange there's an

27:43

umpire cold is because the ball hitting

27:45

the stamps or not is just a

27:47

projection from the computer whereas the ball

27:49

landing on the surface whether it pitched

27:51

outside, leg or arm leg is something

27:54

that the the the cameras can already

27:56

see. so it's a fact. Yeah,

28:01

anybody who wants to say, oh, the

28:03

technology is off, well, they need to

28:05

call out who's responsible and say who

28:07

it is, I would say, rather than

28:09

making this sort of snidey comments

28:12

about the technology. Because

28:15

you've talked about this yourself. You've got

28:17

dedicated professionals who are in

28:20

that room who are doing the

28:22

absolute best to make sure this

28:24

is correct. And the point

28:26

being, well, umpires

28:28

guess, technology, if

28:31

you like, guess is less. This is the point

28:33

I've made before. You think all those LBW decisions

28:35

that Dickie Bird used to turn down, probably most

28:37

of them were hitting

28:39

the stumps. But he was seen as a good umpire, because he was sort

28:41

of like a not hater, wasn't he? I mean,

28:44

it's just not to say. He was seen like

28:46

a good umpire by batsman. Yeah. But

28:48

I was hating him. Yeah.

28:51

Yeah, there you go. I

28:54

think we just have more accurate decision making.

28:56

And then when there's a tight one, people

28:58

don't like it. But the thing is, cricket is

29:00

a game of really tight margins. You can feather

29:03

a catch through to the keeper. It can decide

29:05

a test match. So I think

29:07

everyone needs to just sort of calm down a little

29:09

bit about it, except that the technology said it was

29:11

out under the protocols and move on with the game.

29:13

A little bit later on, Ben Stokes got one, didn't

29:16

he? It was umpires call. It was given not out.

29:18

You know, he got away with one, if you like.

29:20

And the ball was hitting the stumps. I mean, he

29:22

said we should get rid of umpires call

29:25

altogether. And I presume

29:27

just either hitting the stumps or not is what

29:29

he's saying, is it? I don't know. I don't quite

29:31

know. Or if it's umpires call,

29:33

it's always not out. Well, he would have

29:35

to clarify that, I think. I'm not

29:37

quite sure what he means by getting

29:39

rid of umpires call. But you

29:42

made the point in the last test match, if we

29:44

have all

29:46

umpires calls being out, the stumps get bigger,

29:49

don't they? It actually

29:51

increases the size of the stumps. In the

29:53

umpires mind, they will give a lot more

29:55

out because of the

29:57

fact that the ball clipping the stumps is

29:59

now seen. is out. If

30:02

you reject, if you remove umpires call

30:04

entirely it does actually make, if you

30:06

put the ball all the way around

30:08

three sides of the stumps, so

30:12

imagining the ball can clip the stumps and still

30:14

be out on both sides and

30:16

the top, it does make the stumps 30% bigger.

30:20

Okay let's move on from that.

30:22

Let's talk about England's batting. Ashwin

30:25

took five for 51, called it

30:27

the add-on, wonderful control, four for

30:29

22. Did England bat badly?

30:31

Did India bowl particularly well

30:33

in conjunction

30:35

with a helpful surface?

30:38

What are we talking about here? I mean 145 all

30:41

out from England after the Indian Taylor

30:43

had scored, you know, almost that number

30:45

of runs for the last three wickets.

30:47

Well I mean let's go through the

30:49

wickets. I think after we've talked about

30:51

Ben Duckett and Ollie Pope, Joe Root

30:54

trying to work a ball on leg stump, it was

30:56

you know a bit unlucky that he missed it perhaps.

30:58

I wouldn't say that was a bad shot but he

31:00

probably should have got a bat on it

31:02

because the ball didn't really do much. So

31:04

he just missed a fairly straight ball from

31:06

a slightly awkward angle. Zach

31:09

Crawley was the next out, I think he

31:11

got a good ball. I think he'd been

31:13

playing really well, he'd been getting forward. He's

31:15

changed his method actually Crawley, I think he's

31:17

really improved as a player over the last

31:20

year. He's using his reach better, you know

31:22

we often said he's a fine driver of

31:24

the ball but he doesn't actually transfer his

31:26

weight onto the front foot very far and

31:28

he doesn't move his front foot very much

31:31

and I think he's realised that and make

31:33

a much better transition forward to play the

31:35

drives and use his reach to nullify the

31:37

spin and work it into gaps as well.

31:39

He's not just a big driver but he actually

31:41

played some good shots through the offside and the

31:44

leg side for singles as well, played really well,

31:46

got 60, went back to

31:48

a ball from Cordy Biale which turned sharp

31:50

him outside off and bowling through the gate

31:52

and hit the middle stump. Very good delivery,

31:54

don't think you can put any blame on

31:57

Zach Crawley. I thought Bearstow played a

31:59

pretty loose... shot straight after the

32:01

tea break, kind of trying to

32:03

drive a ball which wasn't full

32:05

enough from Gedagia. It popped admittedly

32:07

off the surface and lobbed

32:09

up to short cover and

32:11

it was kind of unusual field position

32:13

actually that Rohit Sharma put there,

32:16

perhaps thinking Beisto likes to drive the ball

32:18

a bit on the up and he might

32:20

hit one in the air but I thought

32:22

that was a poor shot

32:24

really. Ben Stokes, bowled by

32:26

Kulvip Yadav after getting

32:28

a reprieve, you're right from an

32:30

LBW shout not long before.

32:34

I mean it was a good ball, I thought

32:36

Stokes could have got further forward. The

32:38

problem is because he looks to play

32:40

back to most bulk, most spinners, he

32:42

doesn't get very far forward and his

32:45

foot was only just outside the pop

32:47

increase when he defended and it beat

32:50

his forward push and hit him on the back

32:52

leg and then jiggled onto the stumps. He was

32:54

a bit unlucky, he probably wouldn't have been LBW

32:56

because I reckon it would have pitched outside leg,

32:59

it hit him in line but pitched outside leg. And

33:01

probably spun too much. He was unlucky that the ball

33:04

ricocheted sort

33:06

of almost between his legs onto

33:09

the stumps but I think he could have played either

33:12

a better forward defensive or actually he could have

33:14

had a sweep at that ball because it was

33:16

it was outside the leg stump but you know

33:18

I think these things happen, Stokes has had a

33:20

an iffy game with the bat. Folks

33:23

was the last, one of the last

33:25

men out done by the Karim ball

33:27

of Ashwin. I don't

33:29

think that was a particularly bad shot, it was a

33:32

good bit of bowling and then you're

33:34

you're looking at the tail really. Tom Hartley

33:36

big slog down to Longon, that's the

33:38

way he plays, probably wasn't the time

33:40

to do it with

33:42

the man out there but he

33:45

was trying to hit it a bit more to mid wicket.

33:47

He hit 1-6, suddenly over there, hit 1-6. Yeah

33:50

I mean you had folks at the

33:52

other end he probably might have looked

33:55

to, well he faced 25 balls so you

33:57

know he wasn't just trying to slog, he

33:59

does hit the ball well over mid

34:01

on but they had a man there

34:03

for that shot so I mean maybe

34:05

good field settings but

34:07

perhaps Ollie Robinson didn't

34:10

look very convincing he was lucky to get away

34:13

with a reverse sweep first ball and then he

34:15

was LBW straight after and

34:18

then obviously Jimmy actually a

34:20

brilliant catch final man brilliant

34:22

catch by Drew Jarrell because

34:24

he went for a reverse sweep it

34:26

ricocheted off his pad lobbed up

34:28

off his glove as he followed through and a

34:31

very sharp reflex catch by

34:33

the keeper the final wicket 145 all

34:35

out I mean it the pitch was

34:39

not bad enough for England to lose their

34:41

last seven wickets for 35 runs is the

34:45

final equation there so a

34:47

mixture of bad shots and good bowling

34:49

I suppose yeah I think

34:52

England will feel really disappointed with their batting

34:54

effort yeah there were some good balls in

34:56

there's some very good bowlers bowling on a

34:58

surface that's not straightforward but I think they

35:01

probably would feel they could have cobbled together

35:03

a few more thought bit sorry for Ben

35:05

Stokes act I felt a bit

35:07

sorry for Ben folks actually because he was sort of

35:09

forced just to defend and knock the ball around for

35:11

one single no runs a remarkable passage of play where

35:13

I think England scored 12 runs in 12 overs because

35:16

he just didn't trust Bashir to face and

35:18

it what did he do did he stick

35:20

or twist it was really really tough for him

35:23

and so he was eventually ninth out and

35:25

Anderson as you describe last man

35:27

out seven for 35 real collapsing and were

35:30

110 for three at one stage 156 runs

35:33

ahead that you know that was a moment

35:35

in the day when they had a measure

35:38

of control but you always just felt there

35:40

was there were wickets out there for this

35:42

Indian attack on that surface and

35:44

so it proved they were ultimately

35:47

irresistible and then actually and possibly

35:49

yours I don't know almost like

35:51

the worst aspect of the day for England were

35:53

the pies they served up when India came out

35:55

to bat and they opened the bowling with Hartley

35:58

and Root and Tom Hart

36:00

did a really poor session. He was bowling either

36:02

full tosses or half volleys on leg stump to

36:05

Rohit Sharma and Rohit said thank you very much

36:07

I'll hit those before through mid-wicket

36:09

so India scooted away rather than say

36:11

you know tight session of eight overs

36:13

perhaps 15 runs or something

36:16

like that India 40 for no wicket

36:18

lots of freebies and it rather sort

36:20

of summed up England's day actually the

36:22

end of it and so

36:24

India's task tomorrow is far

36:27

more straightforward than it would have been say I

36:29

don't ever score being 15 for one of the

36:31

clothes of play yeah I mean

36:33

far be it for me to criticize

36:35

Ben Stokes his captaincy but I thought

36:37

they got that wrong in that last

36:39

session I thought they should have bowled

36:41

Seamers from both ends really because I

36:43

know the spin has got the wickets

36:45

for India but England's two best bowlers

36:47

really in this match not

36:50

that they've taken wickets but they've denied

36:52

the runs have been Anderson and Robinson

36:54

both bowl really well with the new

36:56

ball in the first innings and with

36:58

the pitch as being as cracked as

37:00

it is I thought that that should

37:02

have been the case to make sure

37:04

they denied India any easy runs and

37:07

perhaps got a wicket or two with

37:09

the ball keeping low or bouncing off

37:11

the cracks with the Seamers so I'm

37:14

I thought that was a huge responsibility

37:16

placed in Joe Root who is still an

37:19

occasional bowler I mean I know he's bowled

37:21

a lot in this series but he's not

37:23

a frontline bowler really and you

37:25

know a couple of novices a

37:27

couple of rookies having to bowl so

37:29

I thought England should have you know

37:32

relied on their experience and their control

37:34

in that final session and bowl

37:36

the Seamers with the new ball and you

37:39

never know what might have happened it's easy to say

37:41

that in hindsight but I just felt that

37:43

would have been a more logical

37:45

decision well if

37:47

you thought it at the time then it's not hindsight

37:49

I have to say I thought Anderson to open the

37:51

bowling with one of the spinners I wouldn't have bowled

37:53

Olly Robinson I thought he had a really disappointing day

37:55

all round he bowled no balls this morning he was

37:57

a bit loose and his overall figures are not that

37:59

good He did bowl some good balls, actually did

38:01

look like potentially getting Gijswal out early

38:04

on in the first inning. So yeah, there might

38:06

have been an option, but I would definitely have

38:08

gone with with Jimmy Anderson and the spinner. They

38:11

didn't and there were a lot of freebies on

38:13

offer and India helped themselves and Gijswal needs no

38:15

second invitation and Rohit Sharma certainly

38:17

does, especially if you're served up with that

38:19

type of thing. I suppose there's a temptation,

38:21

isn't there, to go chasing a

38:23

little bit or whatever. You know, suddenly the pressure's on

38:25

you. You've got to bowl this team out, got to

38:28

get some early wickets and you chase

38:30

a little bit. But it

38:34

was a wretched day, wasn't it, for England. They

38:36

were pummeled in the last two

38:38

days of the last test match

38:40

and they've been absolutely pummeled today. I mean,

38:42

what a dramatic turnaround in this game. I

38:44

think, you know, even pretty

38:48

optimistic Indian observers,

38:51

commentators felt that England had a measure

38:53

of control over this game going into

38:55

what will be the final day. India

38:58

have that measure of control. Certainly

39:00

back in England we'll have to do something really

39:03

special. They'll have to find 10 wicket-taking

39:05

balls. We'll probably have a few more

39:07

out there to try and halt this

39:09

Indian steamroller that has

39:12

just flattened them today. Absolutely

39:14

flattened them. An extremely dispiriting

39:16

day, I think, for England because

39:18

they seem to hold a lot of the aces in this test

39:20

match. It's not the first time it's happened as well. I mean,

39:22

India won 77 for seven in reply to 3-5-3. There

39:26

was a test match last year in Wellington

39:28

when New Zealand were 103 for seven

39:30

in their first innings in reply to

39:32

England's 435 for eight declared. You thought,

39:34

well, sorry, that's game over, but New

39:36

Zealand came back dramatically to win one

39:38

of the great test matches

39:40

by one run. So it just shows,

39:42

doesn't it? Always believe yours. You know, just try

39:44

and hang in there and that's what India did today

39:47

and gradually, bit by bit by bit,

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they got themselves up the rope, up

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the cliff and at the end

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of the day's play they're standing on the

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top of the cliff and bathing themselves in

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sunlight. That was beautifully summed up anyway. would

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I was very well spoken and I

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can't improve on it so I'm going

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to say goodbye actually. It was an

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excellent absorbing day but unfortunately one that

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belonged to India. So we'll be back

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tomorrow to review the fourth day and

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presumably final day of this test match

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and probably see India seal the series.

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