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details. Hello.

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Welcome to The Analyst Inside Cricket with

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me, Simon Hughes. And

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me, Simon Mann. This podcast

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the exclusive home of the

1:32

England series, which has finished, as I'm sure

1:34

you know. It's been a series

1:36

of alliteration, Simon, hasn't it? We had

1:38

the heist of Hyderabad, of course

1:40

England winning that first test. Then

1:43

we had England vanquished in Visag,

1:46

routed in Rajkot, ravaged

1:50

in Ranchi, and now sad to

1:52

say demolished in Dharamshala,

1:54

losing by innings and 64 runs.

1:58

What have you got to say? Well,

2:00

no surprise. Destroyed, demolished,

2:04

whatever D word you want to put in front

2:06

of Darren Shala. We said on the first day,

2:08

didn't we, a mountain too far, for

2:10

a lovely setting, a business performance really

2:12

from England. It wasn't an end of

2:15

term performance, entirely predictable. I have

2:17

to say, when England lost those three

2:19

wickets for no runs on the first day, I think I'd

2:21

actually message you, Joss, if you look at your phone, I

2:23

think I said this could be over in three days. And

2:26

it just sort of had an inevitable sort of procession

2:28

towards its conclusion. Last night on the pod, didn't we,

2:30

we said, you know, this has got the feeling of

2:32

an innings defeat about it. And actually,

2:34

England, we're pretty poor today, and we'll

2:36

dissect some of their batting. We'll also

2:38

sort of look back on the series,

2:40

won't we, and try to

2:42

think about how it's going to progress in

2:45

the future. We'll read out a tweet as well from

2:47

the former Indian cricket, Akash Chopra, who's asked us a

2:49

good question, and you can get in touch with us,

2:51

of course. But, Joss, what we're going

2:54

to start with is how we started

2:56

the series. What did we say at

2:58

the start of the series? What were

3:00

our predictions on our preview pod? And

3:02

I don't want to say we told

3:04

you so, but we did. This

3:06

was on the 23rd of January, two

3:09

days before the start of the series.

3:12

This is what we said. We

3:18

probably should just finish with our rough predictions

3:21

for the series, a hostage to fortune.

3:24

I think, India, we'll win the series. I

3:27

predict... It's not the most bold

3:29

prediction. They will

3:32

not win it 5-0. That's my prediction.

3:34

India will not win the series 5-0, but they

3:36

will win the series. OK,

3:38

well, I'll go for one. What are you going

3:40

to go with? I'll go for one. I don't know. England

3:43

might just sneak a victory somewhere. So

3:46

I'll go for one. I think it'll be, if they

3:48

do, it'll be later in the series. So

3:51

I got it right, by luck almost. I

3:54

mean, in a way, I didn't, because I didn't expect

3:56

England to win that first match, and I suppose no

3:58

one did. the way

4:00

they turned that game round with 420 in

4:02

the second innings, it

4:05

just gave everyone a lot of optimism which

4:07

has been dashed ever since. I

4:11

mean really, really, it should have been 5-0,

4:13

shouldn't it? India should not have let England off

4:15

the hook in that Test match. Just a

4:17

reminder where we were, India were 190 ahead

4:19

on first innings, England

4:22

were 163 for 5. You do not win many Test matches and

4:27

it has never really happened in the course of

4:29

cricketing history. You do not win many Test matches

4:31

in that position. Ollie Pope made that incredible

4:34

190. He was dropped a couple of times.

4:38

One really bad drop at a backward point

4:40

and that allowed England to get free of India and

4:43

put some pressure on in the second innings. But

4:45

since then it has been 106 runs, 434

4:47

runs, 5 wickets and now innings and 244 runs. Shall

4:55

we start with the positives of yours today

4:57

though? What a day

4:59

for Jimmy Anderson, 700th Test

5:02

wicket. Amazing. I

5:05

mean not a regulation wicket

5:07

of course as well. It had to be a

5:09

court behind which is one of his prime

5:12

ways of taking his wickets. It

5:14

is just an extraordinary achievement. You

5:16

know how many overs he has bowled for England, 6,646

5:19

overs and

5:24

22 years a Test cricketer. And

5:27

just thinking back really to

5:29

his beginnings, playing

5:31

against Zimbabwe at Lord's 2002, swinging it, making it

5:33

move late and

5:39

looking quite special, quite

5:42

obviously raw at that point. He

5:44

had been plucked almost out of

5:46

nowhere. Hardly played any first class cricket

5:48

really. Played a lot of cricket for

5:50

Burnley. The Burnley Express they called him didn't

5:52

they? And he was express at

5:54

the time. He was close to 90 miles

5:57

an hour at times. Over the...

6:00

the next 21 years he's

6:03

refined himself into this you

6:05

know slickly oiled machine which

6:08

actually probably doesn't move the ball as much

6:11

as he did when he started and remember that sensational

6:14

performance in the World Cup in 2003 when

6:16

he bowled out Pakistan

6:18

and swung the ball round

6:20

corners there actually doesn't move the

6:23

ball as much it's more subtle movement now

6:25

but his control is absolutely

6:28

meticulous examination forensic

6:30

examination of batsman

6:33

is peerless I don't know anyone else

6:35

no other bowler I mean Glenn McGrath probably close

6:37

in terms of relentlessness

6:40

but not as many skills

6:42

as Anderson skills that just

6:45

fingertip precision fingertip control coaxing

6:47

the ball just a little bit one way

6:49

a little bit the other way underneath

6:53

but that you know

6:55

backed by that incredible consistency

6:57

and this blanket of accuracy

6:59

which just shrouds batsman and

7:02

denies them anything but the

7:04

fact that he's got the fitness and the

7:06

passion to keep going as well he's also

7:08

remarkable yeah I

7:10

was gonna highlight as well yeah these skills but

7:12

also just staying on the field for you know

7:14

180 odd test matches just

7:17

to remain fit as a pace bowler I had a

7:19

look back at England boulders that

7:21

have taken 200 wickets in

7:23

test cricket I'll explain the reason I did that

7:25

in just a moment so there have been 16

7:28

boulders that have taken 200 or more

7:30

test wickets for England 12 of them paste ball

7:33

so this is in the whole history of English

7:35

test cricket Jimmy Anderson second

7:38

200 test wickets since 2017

7:40

so 200 wickets after the age of 34 what age should you

7:42

retire your age of your

7:47

body starting to fall apart 34 yeah there

7:50

you go so that was the end of your first-class career

7:52

and you had a long first

7:54

class career playing lots of first-class matches and taking

7:56

a whole bag of wickets as well these taking

7:59

200 test wickets after the age of

8:01

34. It is

8:04

remarkable, it's an incredible crit. Today I thought it

8:06

was interesting actually, you say it was a regulation

8:08

Nick and it was but actually in the end

8:11

he thought himself a bit fired up because the

8:13

ball, I think the ball before got called out

8:15

about it because he's been really resilient with the

8:17

bat and called even, he had this partnership going

8:19

with Bumbra and Anderson Boulderman a short ball and

8:21

it struck him on the glove and so the

8:24

next shot pitched up just outside the off-stamp, it

8:26

was a rather tentative prod and he nicked it

8:28

through to the keeper 700 wickets, quite a

8:31

lot of England supporters there to see it. Some

8:33

had just travelled out for this test match, really

8:36

disappointing for them, a two and a half day

8:38

game but I suppose at least, slim

8:40

pickings in a way, at least they can say I was

8:43

there for Jimmy Anderson's 700th test

8:46

match wicket. One thing I would say

8:48

though, I mean he's 45, he

8:50

is a phenomenon, just comparing him with

8:53

just a bit of Bumbra in this series, so Jimmy

8:55

Anderson 10 wickets at 33, just a bit

8:58

of Bumbra 20 wickets at 16.89 and

9:01

they can do a few comparisons, currently between the

9:05

head to head, some of the spinners as

9:07

well, so 10 wickets at 33, steady from

9:09

Jimmy Anderson

9:11

but not those incisive spells,

9:13

not those four or five wicket spells that

9:15

can spin a test match around,

9:17

that's the only thing I would say. It

9:21

was that incisive spell of Bumbra's

9:23

in Visag, the second test match,

9:25

when he made the reverse swing,

9:28

just knocked out England's middle order, took

9:30

6 for 45 on a flat pitch.

9:33

That was a fantastic performance and a turnaround

9:35

and he was man of the match there

9:37

and that got

9:40

India back into the series with

9:42

that irresistible

9:45

performance by Bumbra. I mean just

9:47

one more sort of thought

9:49

about Jimmy actually, you made a

9:51

good point there about the bouncer he bowled, the short

9:53

ball he bowled to called it before he

9:56

got his wicket, that's the one area

9:58

of his game, he hasn't been particularly...

10:00

proficient at actually is the short ball.

10:02

He's never really used that or bold

10:04

a good bouncer. Rarely does

10:06

he go to that resort

10:08

to that sort of ploy, although

10:11

in the Stokes era he has at

10:13

times had to go to the sort

10:15

of bouncer leg theory occasionally

10:17

when England have been struggling for wickets but

10:19

that's not really his game, but in

10:22

a way he's never needed to do that but

10:24

that was just one tiny thing he could have

10:26

added to his game occasionally. But I

10:29

think one other thing I'd just say is that about

10:32

him, about his particular style of

10:34

bowling, I was a swing bowler

10:36

and I wanted to play for England and

10:38

one of the problems with being a swing

10:40

bowler is you never know from one day to the next whether

10:42

it will swing or not and that

10:44

in a sense puts you under a

10:48

mental pressure because whereas

10:50

a Glenn McGraw or

10:52

a line bowler, someone who just bowls

10:54

up and down, they know

10:56

where the ball is going to be. Curt Leambros

10:58

is another example of that. He knew every

11:01

day if he let go of the ball

11:03

straight up and down it would be in

11:05

a certain place because he wasn't looking to

11:07

swing it. If you're a

11:09

swing bowler, some days the ball swings and

11:11

other days it doesn't. It's a fickle art

11:14

and that in itself is a pressure

11:17

that you have to overcome and I was

11:19

at times I strive too hard to

11:21

make the ball swing and it didn't

11:23

work and I bowled loose balls and

11:26

got taken off. What Anderson has done

11:28

is he's utilised a swing when it's

11:30

there and utilised it

11:32

brilliantly but also he's known, he's

11:34

worked out how to bowl when the ball

11:37

isn't swinging and how to take

11:39

wickets in other ways and have a

11:41

consistency and an accuracy

11:44

which probes away to

11:46

batsman's frailties and finally gets them out

11:48

and you know he's got the great

11:50

players out so I'm just looking down his list

11:53

of wickets here batsman is dismissed.

11:55

Top of the list is Chatejua Pajara,

11:57

he's dismissed in 12 times. David

12:00

Warner 10 times, Sachin

12:03

Tendulkar 9 times, Kane

12:06

Williamson 9 times, Steve Smith 8

12:08

times. And there are

12:10

many more of course but he's got

12:13

Virak Kovirakoli 8 times. So he's

12:15

got the great players out consistently

12:17

by that meticulous

12:19

examination of their technique, the

12:21

relentlessness, the stamina,

12:24

the persistence and the skill.

12:27

And it's produced a

12:29

result, 700 test wickets

12:31

for a Seamer which will never be beaten. Well

12:36

we wondered whether he was going to get the ball this

12:38

morning. I sort of sensed actually that he were going to

12:40

go with him this morning. So him and Bashir opened the

12:42

ball and Bashir bow first of all. There's a risk in

12:44

that. Bashir might have taken two wickets in the first day

12:46

when Anderson moved in. He marooned on 699. Actually

12:49

after he got called Yaddav out, the

12:52

last wicket fell almost immediately to the other end.

12:55

Bashir taking a five first.

12:57

A great reward for him. Second

13:00

fifa of the series and he's

13:02

the first England bowler under the

13:04

age of 21 to have

13:06

two fifas in an England test cricket.

13:08

So it's been a tough

13:10

series for him. They've lost 4-1. Bashir

13:13

has done a really noble job for them.

13:15

He looks at a promising cricket and he

13:17

looks as if he's beginning to improve his

13:19

batting as well. Which they'll need. You need

13:22

runs down the order. We saw the value

13:24

of that for India at times. But

13:26

one thing I would say and this is not

13:29

a criticism at all. It's just an observation about

13:31

England spinners against India spinners. We

13:34

knew this at the start of the series. The reason we

13:36

made our predictions. Hartley and Bashir.

13:38

Hartley's taken 22 wickets. But

13:40

he's taken them at 36. You look

13:42

at India spinners. Ashwin 26 wickets at

13:44

24. Called him 18 wickets

13:46

at 20. Jadeja 18 wickets

13:49

at 25. So

13:51

two young inexperienced spinners

13:54

successful. They've taken wickets. But

13:56

I think the issue is of course the

13:58

India spinners. They're more experienced. they're better

14:00

bowlers and they've done it quicker and they've

14:02

been able to put more pressure on England.

14:05

So well though, Hartley and Bashir

14:07

have gone in their first test

14:09

series, it's not quite enough. It's good but

14:11

not quite enough so you look down the

14:13

line, you know what's going to happen the

14:15

next time in England go to

14:17

India all the time after that? Are they

14:19

going to, will they have made that progression

14:21

to be in the same league as the

14:23

bowlers we just talked about who've done so

14:26

well for India? Well I don't see why

14:28

they wouldn't have progressed actually because I think

14:30

both of them are relatively young, obviously Bashir three

14:33

years younger than Hartley but I

14:35

think he Hartley has time,

14:37

he's got room for improvement more so

14:39

than Bashir actually in a way. I

14:42

think showed Bashir almost looks

14:44

like the finished article. I mean he

14:46

never bowls a bad ball, he seems

14:49

to understand exactly where to aim at

14:51

a particular batsman. He varies his

14:53

pace very cleverly. I mentioned yesterday's podcast, at

14:55

times he could perhaps give the ball a

14:57

bit more air to the tail enders and

14:59

polish them off a little quicker, tempt them

15:01

into some big miss hits but

15:03

other than that I almost can't

15:05

fault him. I mean he's been

15:07

so consistent, he turns the ball

15:09

enough, you know working with a

15:11

Graham Swan or a Jeetan Patel

15:14

a bit more he will find

15:16

some other little variations. I mean

15:18

it was fascinating today watching Ravachandra

15:20

and Ashwin bowling and taking his

15:22

five-wicket haul just by subtle manipulations

15:24

of the seam and some slightly

15:26

undercut, some attempted to spin

15:28

the old Karan ball as well. I mean

15:31

just an absolute masterclass in how to

15:33

exploit a turning pitch but

15:36

Bashir very consistent. Also I

15:38

like his attitude, he's got

15:40

some aggression there, you know he's got a

15:42

bit of fire in his belly, he doesn't want to be

15:44

you know dominated by

15:46

a batsman, he'll come back, he'll give him

15:48

the glare. That was something obviously the great

15:50

Shane Warne had in spades and you need

15:52

a bit of that as a spinner. Hartley's

15:54

a slightly quieter sort of character but I

15:56

can see a steal there as well so

15:58

you know both of those guys have

16:01

skill and character to match. You

16:04

mentioned about Bashir's batting, that is a

16:07

key element of a spinner because you

16:10

want them to be able to contribute. There are going

16:12

to be days when they don't get much bowling, especially

16:14

in England, so the more they can contribute with the

16:16

bat, someone like Graham Swann who came in at 8

16:19

and 9 and contributed

16:21

very valuable sort of 30s, 40s

16:23

down the order, that's going to

16:25

help a team in the end

16:27

just be harder to overcome and

16:30

will get that spinner a few more

16:32

tests. England are not going to pick

16:34

two spinners that often at home, I

16:36

don't think, so it will

16:38

be a little bit horses for courses. If

16:41

a team that they're playing has more

16:43

left-handers, it might be Bashir and if

16:45

a team they're playing has more right-handers,

16:47

it might be Hartley, but I think

16:49

of the two, Bashir's the better bowler,

16:51

but Hartley looks solid, he looks a

16:53

good character and a guy that you

16:55

can rely on and who can make

16:57

runs. So I think England

17:00

have got two really promising options

17:02

there for spin, which is something they haven't had

17:04

really since Monte Panisal and

17:06

Graham Swann 10 years ago. Okay,

17:11

the positives, I'll draw a line under

17:13

that, let's have a look at

17:15

some of the less positive aspects

17:18

of this third day. So

17:20

England went into bat well before lunch, actually

17:22

polished them off quite quickly this morning. India

17:24

had a 259-run lead, what chance did you

17:28

give England of making India bat again at

17:31

that point yours? I saw Graham Swann's pitch

17:33

report this morning on TNT Sports, he said,

17:35

it's absolute belter, okay, there's a few cracks

17:37

out there for the spinners, but it's a

17:40

belter, this is a day for batting,

17:42

third day, what did you think? England to make

17:44

India bat again? No, I thought

17:46

England might get 200, playing

17:49

positively, but it's tough

17:51

isn't it? When you're facing that kind

17:53

of uphill climb, it's the end of

17:55

the tour, they're looking tired, they look

17:57

tired in the field on the second day.

18:00

and I just think that there are

18:02

tired minds, tired bodies, they

18:04

were going to capitulate against a hungry

18:07

Indian spin attack, and they did. I

18:11

think we had our answer pretty quickly as well. Ben

18:13

Duckett, an interesting one. What

18:17

did we say about that dismissal?

18:19

So, Ravi Chandranashwin, holding the second

18:21

over, down the pitch,

18:23

Duckett, big swipe, missed it. I don't think

18:25

he did anything, actually. He did spin, he

18:27

did spin, but he actually did. He

18:30

seemed to york himself, coming down the pitch. He was

18:32

an interesting shot, when you're 259 runs behind, and

18:36

you're coming down the pitch and looking to belt it down the ground.

18:39

Duckett in the first innings after another

18:41

good opening stand with Zach Crawley slicing

18:43

one out to deepish extra

18:45

cover, and Gill took an excellent

18:47

running catch. Ben Duckett won fantastic

18:49

innings in this series, average

18:51

34, part of a solid opening

18:54

partnership. What about

18:56

today? Is that just, well, you have to

18:58

try to put the pressure back on the

19:00

ball? We saw Gill, and we saw Ravi

19:03

Chandranashwin wax sixes early on yesterday morning. And

19:05

actually, one thing I noted, actually, in that

19:07

first over, when he was bowling,

19:10

the ball was just... He caught the inside

19:12

edge of Duckett's bat, and I think that's Duckett's

19:14

mind went back to the last Test match, where

19:16

he did just sort of defend and got caught

19:19

a short leg. He was thinking, hold on, is

19:21

this the way to play? Have I got to

19:23

be positive against him? It looks terrible, doesn't it?

19:25

Was it? It is a trouble, isn't it, when

19:27

you've had a run of failures against a very

19:30

good spin attack, and you've got

19:32

out a couple of different ways, you

19:35

sort of don't know whether to stick or twist.

19:38

And because he prodded, as you say,

19:40

and got caught short leg earlier in

19:42

the series, he's worried about that, and

19:44

they had a short leg rightly in

19:46

position. But he went for

19:48

the sweep a couple of balls before, and the

19:51

ball turned and bounced and hit him on the arm. I

19:54

think that would have sent a message saying,

19:57

this isn't going to be easy, trying to

19:59

play aggressive. I just got to trust my defence.

20:01

I think he should trust his defence a bit

20:03

more. He sort of thinks

20:06

that he's the guy that has to

20:08

set the innings off at a cantor

20:10

and that he almost hasn't got a

20:12

defence in his mind. I'm

20:14

sure he has and he needs to work on that because

20:17

if you

20:19

bowl to a guy like that, you

20:21

think you're going to get him all the time. Bowlers

20:23

will be optimistic when they bowl at him. They know

20:26

if they pro bowl outside of something, he doesn't like

20:28

to leave it. There's any movement he's going to get

20:30

out. He

20:33

will play some cameos and he will get the

20:35

old incredible innings as he has played in this

20:37

series. But will he

20:39

be consistent? Do they want him to be consistent?

20:42

Do they want him to just play

20:44

that free-wheeling style and get an innings

20:46

going? Maybe.

20:49

In English conditions, that might not be a

20:52

bad way to go because against

20:55

the new ball in England, it's tough, but

20:57

in India, you have to get

20:59

runs at the top of the order because

21:01

that's when it's the easiest time to bat.

21:04

India are clever. They bowl the spinners and

21:06

Ashwin's a master at bowling with the new

21:08

ball and it's a different sort of

21:11

challenge for a batter coming from England.

21:14

But you've got to stay in. Those

21:16

openers have to make it count

21:18

and make big scores because that's

21:21

the time you want to bat in India

21:23

against the new ball because it's

21:25

going to get harder and harder as the

21:27

ball gets older and it spins and reverse

21:29

swings. So, I mean,

21:32

it was a pretty horrible dismissal

21:35

for Dukett and he just... It

21:38

was too early in his innings to be

21:40

trying something so expansive, I think. Well,

21:44

it looks awful in isolation. If

21:46

you see the highlights and have a look at

21:49

them on TNT Sports later, it looks horrendous. Anyway,

21:51

he was out early on, 2-1. And then Zach

21:53

Crawley, there had been a contact here as well.

21:55

He was caught a backward short leg of Ravi

21:57

Chandrachan. He was 21 for 2. you've

22:00

got to see the ball just before it. It

22:02

was a remarkable delivery from Ashwin. It must have

22:05

hit a crud, because it went, it spun and

22:07

bounced miles down the leg side. And Jarelle dived

22:09

like a goalkeeper, which has left a sort of

22:11

parry it, sort of push it around the post.

22:13

It was an incredible moment. He thought, hold on

22:16

a second. And they put a backward short leg

22:18

in and Crawley propped forward and turned it straight

22:20

into his hands. And Sarfraz took the catch. He

22:22

was jumping up and down, absolutely delighted. England were

22:24

21 for two. And I think if

22:26

we wondered what was going to happen to this England innings

22:28

at the start, I think we knew pretty soon that,

22:31

you know, it wasn't going to be a day

22:33

of resistance and having India something

22:35

in their second innings. And not long after,

22:37

Pope would come out and play a few

22:40

shots as well. He swept Ashwin,

22:42

top edged it to square leg, and

22:44

it was 36 for three. And it

22:46

was just a question of when then,

22:49

rather than if, and when on the third day, rather

22:51

than if on the third day. Yeah. I

22:54

mean, I didn't think Pope played that badly. People

22:57

say he played phonetically and he's always

22:59

a bad starter. He played some okay

23:01

shots today. He

23:04

didn't hint at much permanence. I

23:06

mean, it was a tough situation. The

23:08

ball was turning. Ashwin, as I say, very

23:10

good with the new ball, gets it to

23:12

bounce, gets it to

23:15

go straight on occasionally, gets the old

23:17

one to turn, difficult bowler to read.

23:20

I mean, when you listen to someone like

23:23

Ravi Ashwin talking after the game about how

23:25

he examines each pitch

23:27

and each surface and works

23:29

out how he's going to bowl and the

23:32

different styles he can utilize. I

23:34

mean, he is the professor of spin and

23:36

it's tough. He's

23:38

just doing, again, this sort of forensic examination

23:41

of batsman with so many skills at his

23:43

disposal and a lot of

23:45

runs at his back as well. So it's

23:48

a very hard situation. I don't

23:50

blame Pope for trying to be

23:52

positive. It

23:54

just didn't come off for him

23:56

and he's finished a series averaging

23:58

31. A

24:01

bit disappointing after that incredible first innings

24:03

score in the first test, second innings

24:06

score in the first test. He

24:08

hasn't really delivered, has he? Nope,

24:11

no he hasn't and someone else hasn't really delivered.

24:13

Johnny Besto, another cameo from him today in his

24:15

100th Test match. LBW took Coldeep for 39 from

24:17

31 balls. It was umpire's

24:21

call given out on the field and

24:23

confirmed because it was umpire's call. Seven

24:25

innings of 25 to 39 in

24:28

the series. He pumped Ashwin for 3-6s. There

24:30

was a belligerence about him again

24:33

today but again they didn't look to be

24:35

that permanent. There was a bit of partnership

24:37

but a revival with Joe Root, 92 for

24:39

4, 3-4s and 3-6s. England bounding long, I

24:41

mean the 100

24:44

was up in the 21st over.

24:46

We'll talk about England's middle order in

24:48

the second half yards and where they

24:50

go from here. Great

24:53

moment for Johnny Besto to play his 100th Test

24:56

match but ultimately quite a disappointing game for

24:58

him. Yeah, I felt he was just

25:00

playing in one day mode really. He

25:03

was just looking to try and belt it back over the

25:05

bowlers head if it was full. Today

25:07

actually I thought he played slightly better. I thought

25:09

in the first innings, as it was his

25:12

100th Test match and he was bursting with

25:14

adrenaline. He was

25:16

almost a bit frenetic but this

25:19

innings, he wasn't chewing the gum quite

25:21

as ferociously. He looked a bit calmer.

25:23

He had Root at the other end

25:25

and actually he played one or two

25:27

more shots on their merit. He played

25:29

a nice back foot cut off

25:31

Ashwin for 4 and a couple of those

25:33

straight hits were magnificent clean strikes into the

25:36

second tier of the stand. But I sort

25:38

of felt the way he was playing it

25:40

wasn't going to last that long and

25:43

it's been that way all along hasn't it?

25:45

Throughout the series he's got a lot of

25:48

20s and 30s but never kicked on and

25:50

I just think the way he plays

25:53

that absolutely kind of belligerent

25:55

aggression against this quality

25:58

of attack on these pitches. it's

26:00

not going to last that long and so

26:03

it's proved really. It's been exciting to watch

26:05

but I'm sure the bowlers feel what he's

26:07

going to make a mistake in a minute.

26:09

I mean today the ball was a pretty

26:12

good ball from Cooley. He may have thought

26:14

he could have gone forward to it but it

26:16

spun pretty sharply back. It was umpire's call and

26:18

on another day he might have got away with

26:21

it but I sort of felt like

26:23

he was on borrowed time the way he was playing.

26:26

Yeah there's also a bit of chirp out there as

26:29

well. I tried

26:31

to get at the bottom of this what

26:34

was said and there are various

26:36

versions on social media but

26:38

it seems as though it was him

26:40

against Schubman Gill basically

26:43

over the issue of whether Jimmy should retire. So

26:47

Rav on X said the exchange

26:49

went something like this. Besto what

26:51

did you say to Jimmy about

26:53

him retiring? Gill retire,

26:55

i.e. just retire. Well

26:58

then he got you out next ball

27:00

Besto. So what? He can get me

27:02

out after 100. How many 100s did

27:04

you score Besto? How many did you

27:06

score? Full stop. I mean it gets

27:08

a little bit. If that is an

27:10

accurate transcription of what

27:12

happened on the field it's just heated in

27:14

the moment isn't it and people sort of

27:17

rile each other. Gill's

27:20

only scored four tests. 100's Besto's

27:22

obviously scored more than that during

27:24

his career. 12. Besto's

27:26

got 12, Gill's got four at the moment because Gill's

27:28

got his career ahead of him hasn't he? He looks

27:30

a very talented player and I'd actually be quite surprised

27:32

if he doesn't score a few more than 12 Schubman

27:35

Gill. Anyway that was the bit of chirp that seemed

27:37

to be going on on the field. You could see

27:40

them sort of chatting to each other as

27:43

Besto walked off but ultimately when you're a batter when

27:45

you're out you've been defeated. Unless you've got like 250

27:47

or 100 as Gill have got in the first

27:52

innings you've been defeated so you've got

27:54

to sit there and walk off

27:57

or sort of walk off sit there and lick

27:59

your wounds basically. and just suck

28:01

it up. It's the sort of nature of

28:04

batting. When it's your day, you can be

28:06

cock of the walk, but when you dismiss

28:08

it relatively cheaply, you have to suck it

28:10

up. Ben Stokes came in... You're the feather

28:12

duster, aren't you? That's the quote. One day

28:14

you'll cock of the walk and the next

28:17

day you'll the feather duster. And I'm afraid

28:19

Ben Stokes is the feather duster today. And

28:21

that was a disappointing end for him, to

28:24

his tour. Clean Bowl Through the

28:26

Gate by Ravi Ashwin, who's now taken his

28:28

wicket 13 times. I

28:31

just thought it was a tired shot, actually.

28:33

I thought it was physically and mentally a

28:35

tired shot from Stokes. And I totally sympathise

28:38

actually, because A's had to

28:40

come in and bat in many awkward

28:42

situations and try and battle his way

28:44

out of those on this tour. And

28:47

also, just the mental

28:49

and physical demands of being captain

28:51

in the field and working with

28:53

these young bowlers, trying to teach

28:55

them on the hoof, on

28:58

show, on an international stage, how

29:00

to bowl and help them get

29:02

through their early stages of their career. And

29:05

being out in the field tinkering, he's a

29:07

relentless tinkerer with the field, which is a

29:09

good thing. But constantly

29:11

trying to think, how do we get another

29:14

wicket? How do we break this partnership over

29:16

a five test series is exhausting.

29:18

And I

29:20

felt there, he came into bat,

29:23

he tried, but it just wasn't

29:25

there, was it? For him, it

29:29

just wasn't there. And he just left the faintest

29:31

gap. He tried to get forward to Ashwin, left

29:33

a little gap between bat and pad. Ball didn't

29:36

turn. It was a lovely delivery. One of those

29:38

Jed Ageroff and bowls where you're playing for the

29:40

spin and it just goes straight on. And

29:43

a classic Ashwin delivery, actually.

29:45

A classic Ashwin dismissal. Stokes gone

29:47

for two and finishes the series

29:49

averaging 19. Let's be

29:52

fair, Joss, technically struggles against spin

29:55

on spinning pitches against quality

29:57

bowling. Well, some, yeah, quite a few batters do,

29:59

actually. although Joe Root just played magnificently today.

30:01

It was a lovely innings. It was the

30:03

sort of innings that we were calling for

30:06

Joe Root to play earlier in the series

30:08

and eventually sort of come up with it,

30:10

hasn't he, 184 today. Ben

30:14

Stokes, I noticed this, so 3-4-0-2 in

30:17

his last four test innings in this

30:19

series. I just had a look at him in India. He

30:21

made 128 in his first test innings in India back

30:25

in Rajkot in 2016. He

30:28

followed that up with a 70 and a 29 not out. So

30:31

he scored 227 runs of twice out in his

30:33

first two innings. He was averaging over 100 early

30:35

on. OK, that's very early on. 14

30:38

matches in India. He averages 27. He's

30:41

got some problems, hasn't he, against spin. He's

30:44

been found out and sorted out by this very,

30:47

very good Indian spin attack on pitches

30:50

that have helped the spinners. They've

30:52

not been like last time. Last time it was

30:54

ridiculous at times, wasn't it? The

30:57

ball was just going through the top and spitting. These

31:00

were good, I think, really good interesting pitches

31:02

that India have won these matches on. Yes,

31:05

some spin, so testing, definitely testing.

31:08

But they've not been impossible. Well,

31:11

as Ben Duchat has shown, as Oli

31:13

Pope has shown, as Joe Root has shown, ultimately.

31:16

So it's not been impossible. So you can score

31:18

out there, but it's not been a very

31:21

good series for Ben Stokes. And after that,

31:23

you're 103-4-5 at lunch. Well,

31:26

it was just a question of when it was going to finish

31:28

in that afternoon session. Folks, I had

31:30

a hack that he was bowled by Ashwin, 113-6.

31:34

Bumrah came on. He just fancied a bit of rabbit

31:36

pie, LBW Hartley, and

31:38

LBW Wood, two excellent

31:40

deliveries. Bashir resisted

31:43

for a bit. I did have to laugh. He

31:45

reviewed a bold. This is the sort of thing

31:47

you would do in your career, Joss, actually, review

31:49

a bold. Well, it's the sort of thing Stuart

31:51

Broad would definitely have done. Yeah,

31:54

reviewing a bold. You could sort of understand what

31:56

happened, because he sort of prodded forward, or prodded

31:58

at it, missed it. and

32:00

the ball flipped the outside of the off-stamp, went through

32:03

to the keeper, he sort of caught the ball. So

32:05

he looked as though he probably thought they were appealing

32:07

for a catch, but why he hadn't seen the ball,

32:09

it just shaved the stump and knocked the bail off.

32:12

There he is, one for the umpire's call actually, wasn't it? You

32:15

know, you think about it, does the umpire's call not the bail

32:17

off? Well it did in that case. Anyway, he reviewed it and

32:19

then pretty soon realized, and everyone had

32:21

a bit of a laugh about it, he'd actually

32:23

been bowled, and then Joe Root last out, I

32:25

thought, yeah, really technically excellent from

32:28

Joe Root. 12 thaws and then caught

32:30

it long on. It's great to see

32:32

him actually at the end of the

32:34

game. Those awards they give out for

32:36

just about everything. Best capable teammate during

32:38

the series. You know, nicest boots worn

32:40

during the series. Best blade of grass

32:42

grown during the series. You know,

32:45

nicest piece of rolling by the grain sack during the

32:47

series. Well you have to, yeah. That's

32:49

right, and Joe Root won most fours in the

32:52

match award. So they're well done

32:54

to him. I think that's one he'll treasure for a

32:56

very long time. Anyway, he played well, but India, just

32:59

the Indian juggernaut really just

33:01

rolled England flat ultimately in

33:03

this test series. It's a funny one, wasn't it? I mean, England

33:05

did have their chance to make it 2-2, but

33:08

it could easily have been 5-0. I mean,

33:10

how close was it? Well perhaps we'll

33:12

look at that after the

33:14

break yards. So it all wrapped up

33:17

before T on the third day, disappointing

33:19

for the England supporters out

33:21

there and those who've gone specifically for

33:24

the test match. But I suspect a very weary

33:26

England team will head to their

33:28

jet home in the next few

33:30

hours, whatever day or so to get back

33:33

to England. Meanwhile, Yoz, still

33:37

cricket to watch on TNT sports

33:40

later today. Australia against

33:42

New Zealand, the third day of

33:45

that game, which is fascinatingly poised.

33:47

You need to see Glenn Phillips's great catch

33:49

to get rid of Labishein for 90. New

33:52

Zealand 40 ahead with eight wickets left. You also need

33:54

to see a bit of highlights because there was a

33:56

lovely moment, I was watching it last night, when

33:59

Mitch... Mitch Marsh had an appeal against him

34:01

from Matt Henry and Dumpa gave

34:03

it a knot out. I think it was Nissen Menon who gave

34:05

it a knot out. And Tim Southy was

34:08

in the New Zealand camp. He waited and waited and waited.

34:10

He got to like half a second. He looked like he

34:12

wasn't going to go for it. Mitch Marsh was smiling, oh,

34:14

I'm not out there. You know, there's no way that's out.

34:16

He waited about half a second, reviewed it, and it was

34:18

actually, you know, all straightforward. No umpire's

34:21

called anything in it. It was Plan LBW.

34:24

So, yeah. So that game is nicely balanced with New Zealand

34:26

40 ahead with eight wickets

34:28

left. Yeah, and you can

34:31

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34:52

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36:33

day of the series. India taking

36:35

it by four matches to one.

36:37

And Indian winter for England, rather

36:39

than an Indian summer. Now, I

36:41

guess Chopra put this on X.

36:44

And it's a question I think

36:46

we should have a look at

36:48

about the reaction to England's performances.

36:52

These are the way they play and

36:54

they try to play in India. Now,

36:56

just a bit of context here. And

36:58

I'll read out his post. Bit of

37:00

context here. England have gone to India

37:02

in recent series. And they've been hammered.

37:04

They lost 3-1 in 2021 after winning

37:06

the first Test match. They're making

37:08

that wonderful double hundred in Chennai. Then India just stormed

37:11

back. Before that, they lost 4-0 in 2016. So

37:15

in the eight Test matches before this

37:17

series, they've lost 7-1. So

37:20

different approach this time. Try to take India

37:22

on. Let's try to do something different. What's

37:24

happened? They won the first Test match. And

37:26

then they lost 4-1. They've had their moments

37:28

in the series. Of course, they haven't. It's

37:30

been compelling at times, despite two crushing defeats.

37:32

It has been compelling. And they've had their

37:34

moments. But they haven't been able to put

37:36

together a

37:39

whole sort of consistent performance over three, four,

37:41

five days how long the game has lasted.

37:43

So Akash asked this question.

37:46

Former Indian play says, if the

37:48

current Indian team returned from England

37:50

with the score line of 4-1,

37:52

with the middle order collapsing in

37:54

almost every innings, the entire country

37:56

will be up in arms, asking

37:58

tough questions and demanding wholesale. changes.

38:00

How's England's cricket media stroke followers,

38:02

stroke management back home reacting? Genuine

38:05

question. I think what he's saying,

38:07

his point I think is, I

38:10

think the implication behind the question is

38:12

that the English followers media management are

38:14

just a bit soft on their players.

38:16

It's like oh well we sort expected

38:18

it to happen as we did, we

38:21

expected it to be 4-1, you predicted 4-1. I

38:24

was pretty much in a similar territory to you, I thought England wouldn't

38:27

lose 5-0 but I thought India would win the

38:29

series. So what's happened has been expected

38:32

I think from us. So are we just shrugging

38:34

our shoulders and say oh well you know we

38:36

expected it, on to the next one, see what

38:38

happens, on we go let's you know play a

38:40

few more shots and entertain everyone. So discussed

38:43

basically. Funnily enough it's

38:45

interesting looking at some of the replies to

38:48

Akash's original tweet actually. So

38:50

for instance one one follower

38:53

has said well the English media

38:55

will just blame Indian pitches, DRS

38:57

and Indian spinners. Well actually we

39:00

haven't blamed the pitches this time,

39:02

we did last time but this

39:04

time as you rightly said the

39:06

pitches have been pretty good and

39:08

a totally fair contest. I mean

39:10

maybe one of the pitches

39:12

was a bit you know spun a bit

39:14

too much. That first pitch in Hyderabad actually

39:16

probably did a bit too much and it

39:18

evened up the odds a little bit. It

39:20

brought the English spinners, the young English spinners

39:22

into the equation more than perhaps

39:24

the Indians had bargained for. So after

39:26

that they played on some pretty good

39:28

pitches and their superiority has

39:31

told. England have had opportunities

39:33

to win. I mean you know classically

39:35

in that fourth test in Ranchi when

39:38

the Indians were 177 for seven

39:41

in reply to England's 353 and England

39:43

should have got more than 350. They

39:46

should have got probably closer to 400

39:48

batting first having won the toss but

39:51

India were 177 for seven and they

39:53

finished up getting 300 with excellent contributors

39:56

from Jirell and from Kooldeep and

39:58

after that you know they start

40:00

their folding and out 145 second innings and

40:03

that's really where the series was

40:06

won by India because if England

40:08

had made a bigger first inning

40:10

score there and knocked India over

40:12

for say 220 they could have

40:14

won that match that fourth

40:16

test and it would have been two all and

40:18

then we're going to Darren Charlotte for the decider

40:20

so you know there were sort of margins there

40:22

where England could have achieved

40:24

more than they have and the

40:26

four-one score line is that really

40:28

fair I mean I actually finally I think

40:30

three one with one

40:33

draw or something might have been a more there's

40:35

no chance there's no chance there's gonna be a

40:37

draw you know I know sort of perfect point

40:39

of view I know

40:42

I know you mean I'm a

40:44

very extreme hammering and they have

40:46

been in the contest a few

40:49

times so I don't think

40:51

the English media will hammer England as maybe

40:53

the Indian media would when India come

40:55

back from from it from England but

40:57

I'll do the Indian media hammer India

40:59

when they come back from England losing

41:02

three one or four one or whatever because

41:04

they know how tough it is to play

41:06

for Indian batters to play in English conditions

41:08

just the same way as it's half an

41:10

English batters to bat in Indian conditions so

41:12

I think we're we're reasonably sort

41:15

of mellow about it I mean you know some

41:17

of the other replies to Akash's tweets are sort

41:19

of saying things like well England have got a

41:21

lot more sports to worry about and I want

41:23

more things to worry about than than we have

41:26

in India where we focus hugely

41:28

on cricket so maybe they won't care so much

41:30

I mean there is a bit of that you

41:32

know there's there's obviously a you know full

41:34

lot of time Premier League going on which

41:37

probably takes most of people's attention away from

41:39

England's calamities abroad the key thing for me

41:41

if you're a test team

41:43

is win at home that's how

41:45

you engender consistent support sponsorship

41:47

backing TV rights and general kind

41:50

of a claim is by winning

41:52

at home if you lose away

41:54

from home unless it's the ashes

41:56

it doesn't seem to have so

41:59

many repercussions Also,

42:01

the other thing I would say to

42:03

Akash's question, it's a perfectly reasonable question

42:05

to ask, is there is no sort

42:08

of monolithic view on this. Everyone has

42:10

their own individual views about it. So

42:12

the management will have their views. I'm

42:14

sure supporters who travel to Dharamshala, people

42:16

watching on TNT, they will have

42:18

very strong views. I've had

42:21

a few messages from friends about England's middle

42:23

order batting, you know, sort of cavalier, that

42:25

sort of thing. So there will be some

42:27

strong views out there as well. And individual

42:29

members of the media will have their own

42:31

particular view. All we can speak of is

42:33

our view. And our

42:35

view, I think, is that it was going to

42:37

be mighty difficult for England. They competed at times

42:39

and they probably competed better here

42:42

this time than on their

42:44

previous tour at times, but they haven't been

42:46

good enough. And also as well, sometimes I

42:48

think you've got to accept that the opposition

42:50

are better than you, especially in Indian conditions.

42:52

It is going to be really difficult. It's

42:54

a bit like when England used to go

42:56

to the West Indies in the 1980s. You

42:58

know, they were so good. You know, England

43:00

might collapse there, get bowled out and there'll be sort

43:03

of, you know, bring them all home. You know,

43:05

there'll be a Tory MP saying in parliament saying,

43:08

you know, bring them all home. You know, they're

43:10

a disgrace to the nation. But, you know, there

43:12

are a tremendous vast bowlers and wonderful batters in

43:14

testing conditions. And I think it's sort

43:16

of similar here. So I think there has to be that

43:19

context. There have been some, there have been

43:21

some positives, you

43:25

do have to ask tough questions

43:27

about, well, you can actually go

43:29

right back to things like how

43:31

we play our first-class cricket in England. You know,

43:33

all sorts of, you know, can raise all sorts

43:35

of questions. Normally these things happen after defeat in

43:38

Australia, don't they? You know, there's a commission about,

43:40

you know, why England lost in Australia again. Perhaps

43:42

they should be when they go to India.

43:44

But it's probably right in a sense that there has been

43:46

a sort of bit of a shrugging of the shoulders and

43:48

saying, well, what do you expect? And

43:50

Ben Stokes actually said in his post-match

43:52

press conference, didn't he? So I haven't really said

43:54

it during the series, but we've

43:57

been outplayed by the better team. And to answer

43:59

your question, you're on. or the issue

44:01

you raised about is 4-1 fair,

44:03

I think it's absolutely fair, absolutely

44:05

fair. India deserved to win this

44:07

series by four matches to one,

44:09

they could have won it by

44:11

five matches to nil, but England

44:13

have missed their opportunity and they

44:15

have been careless. There is some

44:17

carelessness in this England team and if they

44:20

want to be the best sides, they do need

44:24

to get rid of that careless and be a bit more

44:26

ruthless and I think we saw it in the ashes as

44:28

well. There were moments that we picked out, I mean

44:31

for me still the ridiculous decision to

44:33

declare at Edgberston for example, the way

44:35

they played when they were 188 for

44:37

one at Lordes,

44:39

you know just getting out of the short ball

44:42

time after time after time. Sometimes you just

44:44

need to suck it up a bit, just

44:46

absorb a bit of pressure and trust your

44:48

defence or whatever, you know you can't just

44:50

go cavalier the whole time, but

44:53

it has brought you know tremendous fun watching it as

44:55

well, that's the other thing, it is exciting

44:57

to watch, that's the other side of it

44:59

and it's also you can almost

45:02

say well it's also it's just

45:04

sport, at the end

45:06

of it there are more important things in

45:08

life and sport although sometimes it doesn't

45:10

always feel like it. Well cold-blooded analysis

45:12

there from you, I'm quite impressed by

45:14

that actually a good summation, I mean

45:17

I'll just finish up by saying in

45:19

the end that the Indian

45:21

bowling attack is probably the best

45:23

I've ever had, you know Bhumra

45:25

is incredibly successful fast

45:27

bowler taking his test

45:30

match wickets up around

45:32

21 which is some

45:34

of the best strike rates and

45:36

averages of all time. Firstly

45:39

he leaves the attack and he never

45:41

doesn't have an impact at some point in the

45:44

innings and he's just absolutely

45:46

exceptional fast bowler, one of the finest,

45:48

probably the finest fast bowler India has

45:51

ever produced and one of the finest

45:53

anyone has ever produced actually because it's

45:55

so difficult to read and understand and

45:57

then they've got those two master spinners

45:59

Ashwin and Gedagia to back him

46:01

up, plus Kooldeep Yadab who's really

46:04

improved massively, and he's taking his

46:06

wickets at about 21 as well,

46:09

at 40 balls per wicket. So

46:11

that's again a remarkable strike

46:13

rate. Those

46:16

bowlers are better than any bowlers India

46:18

have ever had. So

46:20

you go back to the 1970s

46:22

and Geoffrey Boycott will talk about

46:24

England winning series in India in

46:27

the 1970s against that fantastic trio

46:29

of spinners, Bady, Chandrasekhar, Prasanna, Fenkat

46:31

etc who were fantastic bowlers,

46:33

but not in the class,

46:35

I don't think of these guys

46:38

who were so adaptable and

46:40

so brilliant in all conditions, in

46:43

Indian conditions anyway. So no

46:46

shame for England in a way to be

46:48

beaten by a superior opponent.

46:51

I'm sad it's 4-1 and I

46:54

still think there could have

46:56

been a draw somewhere, maybe it would have

46:58

rained in Dharamshala or something. I think 3-1

47:00

would have been a fair result, but no

47:03

I take the point. I mean India has

47:05

just had the answers in every key situation

47:07

and they've just been too good. Yeah,

47:11

just about every key situation. Of course they faltered

47:13

in that first Test match, that was a game

47:15

that they let get away, that was the sort

47:17

of one real blemish wasn't it when they dropped

47:19

those catches and let England just get a few

47:21

too many in that second innings,

47:23

Ollie Pope making that brilliant 100. Just

47:25

to finish on that, this 4-1

47:27

victory has put India top of

47:30

the world Test Championship ahead

47:33

of New Zealand and Australia and

47:35

England remain marooned in eighth spot

47:38

and they will reflect on one

47:41

key thing which again you've

47:43

mentioned, they've only survived 80 overs

47:47

twice in the last 10

47:49

Test matches. Those Test matches have been

47:51

against arguably the two best countries in

47:53

the world, Australia and India, so

47:56

now they've got a slightly easier ride potentially

47:58

to climb up the line. that table

48:01

but it's something they need to focus on.

48:03

Bat for a bit longer and give your bowlers a

48:05

bit more rest and a bit more, few more runs

48:07

to play with. Well

48:09

they've got four more series now in the

48:11

World Test Championship. So West Indies and Sri

48:13

Lanka at home this summer and then away

48:15

to Pakistan and then away to New Zealand.

48:17

So they pretty much got to win most,

48:21

if not all of those games, depends on

48:23

results elsewhere to try to push towards a

48:25

top two. However far away that seems at

48:27

the moment. But of course they have played

48:29

the two stronger sides so far in Australia

48:31

and India. I

48:34

think we should finish yours and just sort

48:36

of assess where this England team is

48:38

and who might be in

48:40

it come the summer. There

48:43

was no Harry Brooke in this series for

48:45

example. Does he come in and if

48:48

he does then who does he replace?

48:50

What about the bowling attack? Obviously in

48:53

English conditions you have to reconfigure it.

48:55

So which of the pace bowlers stay,

48:57

come in from the outside? What

48:59

do England do from here? Do they sort of

49:01

look to the future a bit more with series

49:03

coming up against West Indies or Sri Lanka or

49:06

probably just any given

49:08

day? Pick your absolute best 11, not

49:11

look to the future. Just pick your best team, whatever

49:14

you turn up at Lord's

49:16

for the first test against West Indies. And if

49:18

that means 41 year old Jimmy Anderson, his

49:21

bowling well, he gets in and

49:23

leads your attack I suppose. It's a long way

49:25

off, isn't it? It's another four months until the

49:27

first test of the summer because of

49:29

the world T-20 before. I

49:33

mean, Anderson I'm pretty sure will play. I mean,

49:35

whether he suddenly decides because he's got the 700

49:38

wickets that that's the time to go, I

49:40

don't get any sense that he wants to retire. I

49:43

think he looks as good as he's looked for a

49:45

long time and he looks absolutely

49:47

like a spring chicken. So England

49:50

would be loath to cast off

49:52

his amazing skills. Presumably

49:54

someone like Chris Wokes will come back in

49:58

another older campaign. but

50:00

someone who's very good in English

50:02

conditions and was actually man of

50:04

the series against the Australians coming

50:06

in only two tests into

50:08

the tour to the ashes So, you know

50:11

Chris Wokes will be another one they'll consider

50:13

and he bolsters the batting at number eight

50:15

I felt England have looked a bit fragile

50:18

After the first the top seven, you

50:21

know, the last four Tom Hartley's done

50:23

okay first four yards First

50:25

floor yeah the first one, you know,

50:28

Tom Hartley probably should be a nine

50:30

really He's a bit high at number eight

50:32

at the moment Chris Wokes

50:34

may be coming in at number eight Other

50:38

bowlers. Well, I mean Mark would You

50:41

know, he blows a bit hot and cold.

50:43

I mean obviously the best try in the

50:45

team But I probably think you

50:47

know They need to look at

50:50

a new fast bowler Someone that

50:52

can do that job But

50:55

has slightly younger legs So

50:58

a bride and cast may be

51:00

from Durham his Durham compatriot there that

51:02

they could start to think about blooding

51:04

him I'm not saying that the discarding

51:06

Mark would but maybe have someone who

51:08

can support him in that That

51:11

sort of fast bowling genuine quick

51:13

role with it Australia on the

51:15

horizon a tour of Australia on

51:17

the horizon in you know 18

51:19

months time Spin

51:22

as wise those those guys have done great So

51:25

might be a question of rotating those

51:27

those bowls according to the opposition Hartley

51:30

and Bashir I don't see

51:32

a comeback for Jack leech sadly because I just

51:35

think both of those have have jumped ahead of

51:37

him and Leech has been

51:39

a tremendous servant to England But his

51:41

fitness is a bit variable and I

51:43

just feel he's not a threat.

51:45

He's a solid performer But

51:48

these guys I think have got more with it

51:50

taking deliveries Well,

51:53

we'll await that one with interest

51:55

Well, we what happens in that but the one

51:57

spinner debates it will be won't it who bowls

51:59

spin for England next summer, unless we have a

52:01

drought or something and the pitches look as if they're

52:04

going to spin square, then it is only going to

52:06

be one spinner. And from the

52:08

evidence of this tour, you'd say,

52:10

well, do we actually do look

52:12

to the future with

52:14

either Hartley or Bashir rather than bring back

52:16

Jack Leach? Just going back to the pace

52:19

bowl, as yours, there's Matthew Potts, who had

52:21

a really good Lions series in

52:23

India, took 20 wickets in three matches, and

52:25

never let England down when he played actually

52:27

at test level. And he just went down

52:30

the pecking order a bit because other bowlers

52:32

came back in. So he's one that they

52:34

can look at. Of course, Stuart Broad's out

52:36

of the picture now. There's, you

52:38

mentioned Brydon Cass. There's Gus Atkinson, who

52:40

was on this tour and didn't play

52:42

a match. So he's someone they obviously

52:45

clearly highly rate. So there's him. There's Matt Fisher

52:47

also went on that Lions tour as well. And

52:49

so did Tom Lawes. Now, he's a young bowler

52:51

that, okay, it might be a bit too early

52:53

for him, but he did go on the Lions

52:55

tour. We saw him bowl a few times last

52:57

summer. We were impressed with what, we

53:00

were impressed with his potential, weren't we? And

53:02

then of course, there's Ollie Robinson, who played

53:04

one test match in this series,

53:06

made some runs, didn't bowl well, had

53:08

a back problem. Has only played

53:10

one test in a long time, but

53:12

has got a very good record. So there are options

53:15

for England, just a question as to how they

53:17

configure them, really. Yeah, I like

53:20

Potts. I think he's a really good

53:22

bowler. He's been very reliable for England.

53:25

He's a very good character. He can bat

53:27

as well. And that, again,

53:29

is going to be valuable. So ultimately, he could well

53:32

be a replacement for Chris Wokes,

53:35

if they sort of move on, if they want to move

53:37

on. Potts is a solid

53:39

bowler. I think he's improving. So

53:41

I really like him. I

53:44

mean, Ollie Robinson sort of annoys me as a

53:46

cricketer. He's obviously got

53:48

talent. He gets wickets. He's got tremendous

53:50

record. But he's just a sort of

53:52

irritating personality who seems to rub... He

53:56

seems to do silly things. And his

53:58

fitness record isn't great. So

54:01

I don't know what they do with him. Again,

54:03

he's a talent and he got 50

54:05

and he can bat. But I don't know,

54:08

his character is a bit flawed

54:10

for me and that's important. 20

54:12

Test Matches, Jaws. 20 Test

54:14

Matches, Ollie Robinson. 76 Wickets at 22. Very

54:18

good. That's a pretty good record,

54:20

isn't it? It's a good record

54:22

to discard. But

54:25

does he bowl the hard Jaws? Does

54:27

he really want to bowl when it's

54:29

tough conditions? You need people to stand

54:31

up for you and come out of

54:34

the trenches. And is he that type?

54:37

He isn't for me. And

54:40

I suppose we'll come to the

54:43

Johnny Berstow issue. 100th

54:46

Test Match. Is

54:49

it 100 and out for Johnny Berstow

54:51

with Harry Brooke coming back. There's Dan

54:53

Lawrence waiting in the wings as well.

54:56

Johnny Berstow has had quite a disappointing time of

54:58

it. Or the

55:00

members of the innings against India

55:02

and New Zealand. You can't dispense with that

55:04

sort of talent last summer as well. Wonderful

55:06

innings you played at Old Trafford.

55:08

Is it the wrong question to be asking at

55:11

this stage? Well, it is really because we're

55:14

talking July for the next test. And in

55:16

the meantime, England have got 1 Day

55:18

Internationals and the World T20, which he'll

55:21

probably be part of. So I think

55:23

it's too early to say. But

55:25

if it was me now picking

55:27

one or Brooke or Berstow, say,

55:30

I would pick Brooke. Undoubtedly, he

55:32

would be my number five. Berstow

55:34

would be pensioned off. But

55:38

four months is a long time in

55:40

cricket. He might well produce some incredible

55:42

performances in the World T20 and

55:45

be on top of his game, his

55:47

fitness maybe back to what it was.

55:49

And England keep going with him. In

55:51

which case they'll have to find another

55:53

way of fitting Brooke in. But

55:56

Brooke has to play for me. He's averaging 62 in

55:58

tests. was

56:00

the coming man before this

56:02

withdrawal from this tour. England

56:05

had high oaks him obviously, and

56:07

he's got exceptional talent. So

56:09

I don't know how they, they've got

56:12

to get him in somehow. What

56:15

about Ben Folks then? Does best to take the

56:17

gloves again? Perhaps at seven,

56:19

something like that. Ben

56:21

Folks kept really well in

56:23

this series, as we expected him to do so.

56:25

Last week of today was another Ben Folks stumping,

56:28

but not runs, not

56:31

substantial runs with the bat, just slightly better

56:33

series than Ben Stokes actually,

56:35

which as we've just seen, wasn't

56:37

a particular one whatsoever. Yeah,

56:39

again, I suppose it depends a

56:42

little bit who's in the

56:45

attack or England's opposition because

56:48

Folks is definitely a better player

56:50

of spin than he is

56:52

of high pace. And

56:54

best to is a very good player of pace

56:56

and probably a less good player of spin. So

56:58

it might

57:01

be a bit for horses, but Folks

57:03

has kept incredibly well. When

57:06

you are a team, a bowling attack, that

57:08

take time to get wickets, you haven't got

57:11

a Shane Worn who spins

57:13

a team out in 25

57:15

overs or a Wackar Eunice

57:17

who sort of suddenly produces incredible in

57:20

swinging York as a boomer type bowler.

57:22

You rely on your slips and wicket

57:24

keeper, especially in England, to

57:26

take those chances that come along. And

57:30

dropped catches are an

57:33

absolute kind of bane of

57:35

England teams of the past throughout

57:39

series, especially dropped

57:41

catches by wicket keepers and slips. So

57:45

that's a very difficult one. Again, I

57:47

think it depends on how people are playing, who

57:50

the opposition is, who the bowling attack is going

57:52

to be. In

57:54

a way, with these two young

57:56

spinners, maybe it is time

57:58

to look at. a really

58:01

sharp top-class keeper and have that as

58:03

the emphasis and there are a couple

58:05

in the wings who could come

58:07

into the reckoning aren't they like Ollie Robinson from Durham

58:10

for instance another Ollie Robinson so

58:13

what you're saying is a really good keeper who's also

58:15

a really good batter as well so the next Dan

58:18

Amis it does seem a bit tough on

58:20

Ben Fakes if he's saying that because he's

58:22

got tremendous talent and he's

58:24

also a capable batter as well he

58:26

turns out the runs in in County

58:29

cricket anyway Yoss this podcast has gone on

58:31

almost as long as the series it

58:33

seems to me so it might be time

58:36

to call it a day

58:38

you know lots to talk about it all it is

58:40

with the with the England cricket team and lots to

58:42

reflect on you'll have your own thoughts at

58:44

home about you know how England have played in

58:47

this series what you think of of

58:49

Baz ball it's going to

58:51

continue for a while it it seems to me

58:53

I suppose it just depends on how successful it's

58:55

going to be in the next four test

58:58

series ultimately to see where England end up in the

59:00

the world test championship and then down the line you

59:02

know a couple of years time you know

59:04

a tour of Australia which will be I suppose like

59:07

this series the sort of the big test

59:09

of the way that England are trying to

59:12

play they failed here uh valiantly

59:14

at times other times they've been brushed aside

59:16

by this a really good Indian

59:19

team who also as well we we should

59:21

finish I think by just you know taking

59:23

our hats off to the minute acknowledging the

59:25

talent there is an Indian cricket but

59:28

that bowling attack though yeah you're absolutely right

59:30

to point out that five man

59:32

bowling attack pretty

59:34

good and actually the the fifth

59:36

member if you like the the sort of reserve Seema

59:39

if you like Siraj or Deep or whatever haven't had

59:41

a massive impact of the Siraj picked up four wickets

59:43

and things and he deep took three

59:45

wickets in his opening spell so they

59:47

contributed as well but three irresistible spinners

59:50

and talented young batters the

59:52

likes of Jaiswal and Gild and

59:54

Rohit Sharma churning them out so

59:56

yeah well very well played India

59:59

lots of talent and then you

1:00:01

will see it all again very soon in

1:00:03

the IPL no doubt. Gil will be smashing

1:00:05

into the stands and I presume Coley will

1:00:07

be back as well pushing singles to deep

1:00:09

cover. I

1:00:12

mean just a wealth of talent in

1:00:14

that country and so much help and

1:00:16

assistance. I mean one of our podcasts,

1:00:18

recently listening to Zubin Barucha talking about

1:00:21

the work he does with young Indian

1:00:23

players and there's just this

1:00:25

sort of depth of passion and

1:00:28

desire and science in Indian

1:00:30

cricket which is going to make them if

1:00:32

not invincible then very difficult to beat over

1:00:35

the next few years. So

1:00:37

yes that's it for the series. Thank

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Premier League going on at the moment in

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India and Indian players coming through well in

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that as well as well as some English

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players. Look out for that Storylines

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with Melissa Story and Nicky Chowdhury.

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And we'll be back next week with our latest

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episode of the Analyst Inside Cricket. Hope you

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enjoyed our coverage of the series. Thanks for

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