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Hello

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and welcome to the Two Robies podcast.

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Your destination for in-depth discussion and analysis

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of the Premier League. I'm Robbie

0:44

Musto, he's Robbie Erland. Here are

0:47

today's topics. Jurgen

0:49

Klopp benches some of his superstars and the risk

0:51

pays off for Liverpool in the title race as

0:53

a sweep aside Fulham 3-1. Arsenal

0:56

put on a controlled performance with

0:58

the 2-0 win at Wolves after

1:00

slipping against Aston Villa and Bayern

1:02

Munich the week prior. And Everton

1:04

outlast Nottingham Forest 2-0 in a

1:06

battle between points deducted clubs which

1:08

featured some controversial refereeing decisions and

1:10

left Forest fuming. That's what

1:12

we've got coming up in today's episode. OK,

1:17

must see but before we get started on this

1:20

week's drama in the Premier League and the

1:22

FA Cup. We're now less

1:24

than 100 days from the start

1:26

of this summer's Paris Olympics and

1:28

pro-toker talks. Joe Prince, our buddy

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is continuing the countdown of the

1:33

top 10 moments in Olympic soccer

1:35

history. Head to mbcsports.com forward to

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our soccer to watch moment number

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five and the certain

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Lionel Messi's dominant showing at Beijing

1:43

in 2008 which propelled Argentina to

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a second consecutive gold medal. Stay

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tuned for moment number four that

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comes up this Thursday. So some

1:53

great goals, some great Olympic memories

1:55

from Joe Prince, our buddy pro-toker

1:57

talk. But all the soccer talk might be a bit of

1:59

a challenge. My friend this weekend was FA

2:01

Cup and top of the Premier League.

2:04

Let's start with the top of the

2:06

league. Let's start with Liverpool after

2:09

a pretty disastrous week in

2:11

terms of European football and getting beat last

2:14

week. They went to Fulham, they

2:16

got their job done, Jürgen Klopp was

2:18

able to change one or two people

2:20

and does this feel like

2:22

Liverpool back on the road,

2:24

Rob, on the right tracks again? Well, yeah,

2:27

it has to, it has to, Rob. When you look at the league

2:29

table, that's all you need to do, to look at the league table.

2:31

I mean, it's the joint top of the

2:33

Premier League. Same games played as Arsenal, same

2:35

points as Arsenal, 74 points. Of

2:39

course City has a game in hand, if they win that

2:41

they'll go two points ahead of those two sides, but that's

2:43

a big if. And it was

2:45

a big call from Jürgen Klopp, Rob, because as

2:48

you see they made a lot of changes. I think there were

2:50

six changes, the most he's ever made between one Premier League game

2:52

and the next game. And I think

2:54

Rebecca on our show was very like, wow, this

2:56

is kind of a big risk from Jürgen Klopp.

2:59

And there was an element of risk to it.

3:02

I mean, I think at some point, you

3:05

know, he's paid to make the

3:07

big decisions and he knows his

3:09

squad, his team and how they're

3:11

looking, condition-wise, fitness levels-wise, injuries-wise, than

3:14

anybody else. And he made those changes. Second

3:17

half of the game, Rob, it kind of,

3:19

I thought the game slowed a little bit, it

3:21

stretched a little bit. It's Fulham, I

3:23

don't know, I just feel like this time of the season when you're

3:26

in nothing to play for, really for Fulham

3:28

in some regards, of course there's tons to play for

3:30

in other regards, but just in terms of the league

3:32

position, you know, I think

3:34

it's easy just to come off the pace a

3:36

little bit. And I think Liverpool enjoyed that. The

3:39

game became stretched both length of the field and

3:41

across-wise. And yeah, we did see the

3:43

star players coming later on, but there was no drama

3:45

about that. There was no desperate need for that. And

3:47

it ended up being a good day, Rob, good

3:49

day for Ryan Gravenberg, who after you saw

3:51

he scores his goal, it makes him what

3:53

a goal does for you as a player

3:55

and a team, just even

3:58

after that, Robbie looked like he'd almost scored a number of goals. Another

4:00

goal and he looked much sharper, so good for

4:02

him. Jogo Jota again,

4:04

he's such a brilliant player, brilliant

4:06

player. There's just got to be

4:08

room in the team for him. He

4:11

gets his goal as well. Trent

4:13

Alexander-Arnold, Rob, is a story as well. The

4:16

free kick, his contribution, his

4:18

quality, may be

4:20

missed more than a lot of people.

4:22

Maybe myself included have talked about Alexander-Arnold

4:25

being out for this team, but coming

4:27

back and the free kick was sensational.

4:32

Jogo Jota, we

4:54

saw last week at Palace where

4:56

Liverpool created so many chances and

5:00

didn't take one of those chances, and they're

5:02

not losing a game 1-0 to a goal

5:04

they conceded early. It's so important that other

5:06

people can be scoring. It's not just Mo

5:08

Salah and if Nunes is having a Nunes

5:10

day where we know he's a

5:13

threat, we know he's going to have chances,

5:15

but is he always going to be in

5:17

the right time to take them? If

5:19

you didn't cop and the Liverpool team

5:21

are to win the title, it might

5:23

need Jota, it might need Gappo, it

5:25

might need Grabenburg to come in and

5:28

just bring in a fresh element. When I

5:30

look at an author,

5:33

you see Chosod getting his goals, don't

5:35

you? You see people who can

5:37

get the goals. I think Liverpool's reliance

5:40

is so big on Mo

5:42

Salah. It's good to see

5:44

other people sharing in the goals and

5:47

sharing in those big moments and those

5:49

feel-good moments because Liverpool are going to

5:51

need the deptive squad if they're all going

5:53

to finish on top. Good

6:01

outing for Liverpool because now when you look

6:03

ahead to Wednesday, Everton away, Goodison Park, we

6:05

saw the atmosphere today, we'll chat about those

6:07

later on. It can be a big

6:10

atmosphere, Goodison, well it is a big atmosphere, it was

6:12

certainly today in their game against Norton and Forrest. And

6:15

now they can take a breath, you

6:17

know, there's a Sunday to Wednesday, a couple days

6:19

in between and those players that he really wants

6:21

to play needs a bit more sharpness from, he

6:23

should have it. He really should have it now

6:25

and I think oftentimes Rob as well, when other

6:27

players come into the team and do well and

6:29

score, then the ones

6:32

who are left now come back in with

6:34

a new sense of purpose a little bit.

6:36

I'm thinking of Darwin Nunez that really needs

6:38

to produce his best stuff for Liverpool now

6:41

going forward. And also after Everton,

6:43

which is Wednesday and that will not be

6:45

an easy or comfortable game for Liverpool, after

6:48

that it goes Saturday, next Sunday, then

6:50

the Monday, then the Sunday. Rest

6:53

between knowing that in the mid-week games, no kind of

6:55

two or three days between matches, they can take a

6:57

breath, they can prepare, they can train, they can get

6:59

in good shape, that's all they've got

7:01

to worry about now, Jurgen Klopp said it, he's going to

7:03

put everything they've got into this title race. Such

7:06

an important day today I thought Rob, with them

7:08

coming through, no drama,

7:11

kind of comfortable second half, good

7:14

news, good news for manager. So as

7:16

a manager Rob, as a manager

7:18

do you go back to Nunez and

7:20

give him the gauntlet or do you

7:23

go well, jotters come

7:25

in, jotters scored, jotters

7:27

stays in my team and Nunez will be

7:29

on the bench kind of chomping

7:32

at the bit to get on and

7:34

prove his worth. Where's his

7:36

loyalty going now? It's about putting

7:38

out his best team isn't it? It is a bit

7:40

habitant. Great question, great question and I think it is.

7:43

For me, hmm, in a

7:46

mo Salah Rob, like, what?

7:52

I guess he's got to start. game

8:00

and he doesn't start, one, you're

8:02

kicking yourself, two, people are going to

8:04

be questioning. But I know what

8:06

you're saying, like, if in

8:08

45 minutes to an hour, Rob, it ain't

8:11

happening for you, maybe sitting next to you

8:13

because that's where you are with Salah. And

8:15

Nunez probably, I think you start Salah, I

8:17

think you probably bench Nunez would

8:20

be my probably thinking. Yeah,

8:22

I'm looking now, for me, you've got to play

8:24

Jota, right? So I think it'll be Salah on

8:26

the right side. I think

8:28

Jogo Jota up front is the nine

8:31

and Luis Diaz, Rob, on the left. Now

8:33

I know that, but Gampo played on the

8:35

left today, Rob, he kind of played the

8:37

left side. Yeah, yeah, I saw that, yeah.

8:39

But Diaz just got that little something that,

8:42

I don't know, I love his energy and his fight

8:44

again in a derby, a Merseyside

8:47

derby, I like that. So that'll be my front three.

8:49

No, I don't know how different. One v one v

8:51

one v Ashley Young, yeah. Yeah.

8:53

Yeah, one v one v Ashley Young, that's why I'm interested in

8:56

it as well. Yeah, he's a little trickery. Into

8:58

midfield, Rob, let's do the same thing. Let's do

9:00

the same thing. What is there, what will his

9:02

best midfield be for the, I mean, Endo will,

9:05

I mean, are you wanting Endo to hold? McCallis

9:07

has got to come back in. There's

9:10

no doubt about it. He comes in, yeah. He's got

9:12

to come back in. Now, I think he comes back

9:14

in for half the earlier. So does sub, so is

9:16

it Endo holding? Yeah. And McCallister

9:18

is an eight and Gravenburger is an

9:20

eight or Slobbersly? Is it McCallister holding?

9:22

Yeah, Slobbersly. There's options. I think

9:25

you've got to play, I think you've got to play

9:27

Endo, in my opinion, in that game. I

9:29

would play Endo in that game. Yeah,

9:31

I think you're going to have enough possession.

9:34

I don't think Everton are going to move

9:36

you around now. I think you're going to

9:38

McCallister in for Elliott. I

9:40

would probably go Zobbersly for his dynamic ability

9:42

to get to box to box. Although he's

9:44

not been in the greatest form, but I

9:47

would probably grab him a bit like Salah

9:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, I

9:52

just like that little bit

9:55

of power in Zionism in

9:57

Slobbersly. And like you say...

10:00

and all these courses, I would probably go

10:02

as long as I just for

10:04

that reason. Yeah, but

10:07

it's going to be

10:10

fascinating. A good game, last

10:12

game for us to do here on

10:14

the Sunday, the 11.30 game Eastern Time

10:16

and Jurgen Klopp. We're formative, Rob, I

10:19

only saw the end because I ended

10:21

up watching the got drawn into the

10:23

Manchester United experience that we'll talk about.

10:26

It's like a ride at Disney Manchester

10:28

United in a moment. We

10:31

had it in the corner, there's a screen that

10:33

we had as well, Rob, and it's like, what

10:35

is going on over there? It's incredible. It

10:37

is incredible. But let's just take you

10:39

back to Fulham, because I heard after the

10:42

game, and Tim's kind of, I know Tim

10:44

goes down and over, Fulham's a good team

10:46

to play, and the sunny day at the

10:48

costumes, he's no better away game, and I

10:50

know he's not been disrespectful, but we've all

10:52

known that. Was Fulham kind

10:54

of fair game today for Liverpool, or

10:56

was it more of a threat during

10:58

the game at times? First

11:01

off, Rob, I thought Fulham were a threat. Was it ever in doubt? It

11:04

wasn't doubt, first half, yeah. At half

11:06

time, it's like, oh, you know, this

11:08

is not done yet, and Fulham have

11:11

shown that they've been a bit awkward

11:13

for Liverpool. Second half was different, second

11:15

half was different, and there

11:17

just wasn't the determination, the drive,

11:20

the desire to fight

11:22

Liverpool back after they went ahead,

11:24

particularly, I think, Grumberg's goal on

11:27

the 54th minute after that. I don't know.

11:30

Listen, and we talked about it, I think briefly

11:32

on the show, where when you're

11:34

a pro, you've had ten months of slog,

11:37

and towards the end of the season, the last

11:39

few games, you look at the table, you're kind

11:41

of comfy, I think it's natural

11:44

human behaviour just to take the, you know,

11:46

if there's an extra sprint or a track

11:48

in a runner, the 99 times

11:51

you're going to do one time you don't do it

11:53

is when you don't really need to do it in the first comments,

11:55

and I think Fulham were a little bit guilty of that in the

11:57

second half. Maybe

12:00

I'm wrong, maybe it was all about

12:02

Liverpool's play, but it seemed to me

12:04

the game slowed right down, which really

12:06

helped Liverpool comfortable. It wasn't in the

12:08

faces and getting pressed and forcing turnovers

12:10

for Liverpool's second half, it just wasn't.

12:14

They went on and we were looking at sub-swarming up,

12:16

Rob, like Suller's going to come on and they're all

12:18

going to come on after about 60 minutes

12:21

or 55-60 minutes, then the goal started to go in.

12:24

See, that's it, 54th minute of Gravenberg. It was

12:26

just before the point when, OK,

12:28

sending the cavalry, sending our top player,

12:30

didn't need them, didn't need them. They

12:32

came in and played, but that's just for like, get

12:34

your legs going again, to be in a

12:37

good shape for Wednesday. So no, job

12:39

done Liverpool, no drama, good changes, everybody's

12:42

rested and they are absolutely in

12:44

the picture now. This thing is

12:46

going to change a little bit, momentum is going to change a

12:48

little bit. Maybe we'll talk

12:51

City, when we've spoken about Arsenal, Rob, and

12:53

the pressure that could be on them with

12:55

possibly four points behind from both of those

12:57

teams that they had. They get two games

12:59

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so I've looked for what the job done.

15:11

The question was, would Arsenal get the job

15:13

underway at Wolverhampton? Wonder is not an easy

15:15

place to go. Gary O'Neill's team always well

15:17

set up. It was an awesome

15:19

team that were coming back off the disappointment

15:21

of the defeat last weekend and then the

15:23

defeat to Bayern Munich in

15:27

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15:29

extra time in

15:32

the Champions

15:35

League. So I

15:38

thought, Rob, again, my

15:40

takeaway from this game was and

15:42

I thought Michael Arteta was very

15:45

honest and very forthright with his

15:47

views after his great interview you,

15:49

you, you, you captain Bex had

15:51

with him. You know what, Rob,

15:53

to me, there's a difference to this

15:55

Arsenal team than there was to the

15:57

Arsenal team last year. And yesterday's game,

16:00

game was a perfect example of the

16:02

difference. I think this time last year,

16:04

possibly draw that

16:06

game, possibly draw,

16:09

might be a little 2-1

16:11

loss and like we're back

16:13

here, this team have learnt,

16:15

have grown, have matured and

16:19

I sort of had my headlines as two

16:22

goals, three points, clean sheet, top

16:24

of the league. That's

16:27

all that mattered in the day and I'll

16:29

say Arsenal played like that's all that mattered.

16:32

You know what Rob, I'll follow that point up

16:34

because I kind of agree and even

16:37

though it wasn't the same sparkly

16:40

Arsenal that we've seen this season when

16:42

they're at their best, you

16:44

know they're kind of breathtaking some of the quality

16:47

and the short passing and the combinations and

16:49

how bright and how fluid and how quickly

16:51

they move the ball. It wasn't quite that

16:53

but it wasn't far away from that. So

16:55

that backs up your point Rob, of last

16:57

year there was a bit

16:59

of a panic up and their kind of

17:01

approach and their standard performance, their

17:04

basics were altered. The

17:06

basics stayed the same and a lot of their

17:08

football, it wasn't a lot different, it just

17:10

wasn't quite as good but it was enough to

17:12

get the job done on the day. You know

17:14

you can't say that Jezuz played well, can't say

17:16

that Kai Haberz played well in midfield, you know

17:19

and there was a moment in the game before

17:21

the goals started to come for them that I'm

17:23

sort of longing for, I know

17:25

Saka, you know Saka down the right hand side and

17:27

Martinelli. Martinelli is kind of a little bit out of

17:29

favour, maybe he's a little bit out of form but

17:31

I always kind of on my default when I think

17:34

of Arsenal they're best, it really

17:36

is Martinelli's threat and goals from the

17:38

left, Saka's from the right, Odegaard kind

17:40

of weighs in between and I

17:42

thought they might have to get to that

17:45

but the amazing goal from Leandro Trossard, the

17:47

sliced toe poke I think I best described

17:49

it, where I mean the weirdest

17:51

strike I think we've seen right into the

17:53

top corner, at that point

17:55

they're in Arsenal, well

17:57

they kind of played their normal game, they got the goal. It

18:00

was really nicely done. It's

18:05

interesting, so you talked about three players,

18:08

a couple of players who didn't really

18:10

happen for one. As a team, you

18:12

say, well, they're the sparkling best, kept

18:14

to the basics. I've got

18:17

three players I'm going to mention to you, my friend, Leandro

18:19

Trotter. I know he's one of most of these little players

18:21

making noise for a woman. Couldn't we, when we talk him?

18:24

And his little strike lobbies,

18:26

little kind of right foot,

18:28

pokey toe thing. And

18:30

he's got a habit of

18:32

catching balls in this unusual

18:35

way, left or right. He's got nine Premier

18:37

League goals, mate. He's got 20 starts out

18:39

of 47. He's got nine Premier

18:41

League goals. Only soccer's got more goals than

18:44

him in the team. So it's an important

18:46

element of a team, whether he's starting, whether

18:48

he's coming off the bench. Declan

18:50

Rice, my friend, is a colossus. Declan Rice

18:52

has got to be in the running for

18:54

player of the season. Now, whether he wins

18:57

it or not, will be up for de

18:59

ball. Do you know

19:01

what, though, because I was watching the game, I wrote a couple of

19:03

things about him. He's quick, as

19:05

in he's pacey quick. He can run

19:07

past people. Most kind

19:09

of midfielders are visit ilk. I wouldn't say

19:11

Laudry is probably the shining example of the

19:14

best. I don't think Laudry runs past many

19:16

people like Declan Rice. But he's

19:18

also got this endurance thing where he can

19:20

go from one box. He has a run

19:22

late on in the corner. He

19:25

runs after that man to the field with the

19:27

ball. He's got technical ability and

19:29

he's got really quick clean pace. It's

19:32

like this mix of all the things you'd

19:34

want in a midfield player that he gives.

19:36

And then the biggest thing he's got is

19:38

a hole in the drive that's saying he

19:40

ain't going to let things happen like they

19:42

did last year. Difference

19:44

maker for the team along with Chaucer. And

19:46

I've got one more for you, mate. And

19:48

I don't think we're doing that underappreciate this

19:50

week because of the week we've had. We'll

19:53

catch up with that. But if we don't

19:55

do mine, David Ryer, my

19:57

friend, is a good guy. is somebody

19:59

who's not appreciated in the Arsenal team.

20:02

Let me tell you, he's not appreciated.

20:05

They're defending so well because they've got the best

20:07

sense about playing, they've got Declan Ryze. They've

20:09

got 13 clean sheets on the season,

20:11

they've got six successive away clean sheets.

20:13

Let me tell you what happens if

20:15

Go Mercy's goal goes in at one

20:18

nil before, it was about 10, 15

20:20

minutes before Arsenal score, it could

20:22

have been a very different day for Arsenal. It

20:24

could have been a little, oh, another disappointment and

20:26

things don't go well. David Ryze

20:28

has had his moments, has not

20:31

been, has not been...

20:34

As good as you'd expect? He's

20:39

not had as many, maybe as

20:41

big moments as you'd expect, but

20:43

the consistency, the ability to play

20:45

out at the ground, under pressure,

20:49

he comes up with a couple of big

20:51

saves when he needs to. I

20:53

think he's been quite underappreciate. We all

20:55

loved Ramsdale, we all didn't know what

20:58

they'd make a lot to test on. He leads the

21:00

Golden Gloves, mate, but I think it's four clean sheets

21:02

to the next keeper, I think

21:05

it's Pickford and one of the... We've got nine, he's

21:07

got 13. Sneaky,

21:09

good, solid, goalkeeping

21:12

appointment for Arsenal.

21:15

Yeah, I

21:17

hear you and I respect that. I'm

21:21

not quite as enamored maybe, with

21:23

his impact at the club as you are, but not

21:25

to say that I'm way up on that. Definitely

21:28

a good save, Rob, definitely a good save today.

21:31

And there's been a few of those. I

21:33

just would have expected, I just maybe my

21:35

expectations were a little off, when

21:37

you're gonna move on from Aaron Ramsdale that

21:40

was really, really good. I just

21:42

expected a bit of a... There's

21:45

been too many moments over the season and

21:48

where it's like, wow, what's that and what's

21:50

he doing? And I don't know.

21:53

I'm just not quite as you know, a

21:56

lot of your shouts, I love your Declan

21:58

Reischau, couldn't agree more, his runs late. on

22:00

where he's a little bit more licensed to get

22:02

forward is making the team

22:04

blimming mentally tougher stronger look at

22:06

me follow me I really

22:09

like that and right it's done okay right for me

22:11

it's right it's done well good saving this particular game

22:15

but no that's that's that's why there's two

22:17

Robbies mate and we'll have you know we'll

22:19

have different thoughts and opinions we're not gonna

22:21

agree on everything yeah but I appreciate the

22:23

shout and there's you know he's certainly not

22:26

been bad for Arsenal maybe I just think

22:28

I've expected a little bit more of a

22:31

finished article a confident kind of

22:34

class performer but no

22:37

maybe in his reps and he's and

22:40

you're right maybe there's been a lot there's been

22:42

fewer of the little moments where you think hmm

22:44

I thought this guy was gonna not do that

22:46

but the way he plays out is great and

22:49

I think it was Gary O'Neill in

22:51

his presser before the game Rob that said we

22:54

have to think about Arsenal and do we press

22:56

as Arsenal as well because they've got a goalkeeper

22:58

that can play out and if you've got us

23:00

goalkeeper that plays out invariably he's a spare man

23:02

of goalkeeper in teams when they play out from

23:04

the back I mean no one's gonna mark so

23:06

he's a spare man if he can play then

23:09

it's annoying yeah because like you go and close

23:12

it down and he steps into somebody else and

23:14

they get out so that's a really important part

23:16

of the way they play just

23:18

a quick line on Wolves for me Rob

23:20

and this is not to say yeah anything

23:23

that's what it's not to say anything on Gary

23:25

O'Neill he's done a phenomenal phenomenal job he's right

23:27

near the top of the list of managers of

23:29

me have done an incredible job yeah

23:32

you can't keep doing that with the

23:34

amount of injuries that he's had it's

23:37

it's incredible I think a

23:39

15 year old player on the bench Joao

23:41

well that played in the wide position you've got

23:43

people playing in different spots you did actually have

23:46

a few players back in this game that those

23:48

didn't look particularly match fit

23:50

and rhythm and everything else and

23:53

I just thought Arsenal

23:55

had A Quite a good opponent Rob

23:57

Quite a good opponent for an away game in

23:59

Wolves that. Doctor remarkably well given

24:01

the squad and it was like anti

24:03

at the start the season. Plus I've

24:06

got my list ever still like six

24:08

or seven I injured players are the

24:10

club. So Weldon Arsenal is a little

24:12

similar to Liverpool so important about both.

24:14

Bounce back I think yeah that dates

24:16

your point about Arsenal of change of

24:19

last year is a really good example.

24:21

My nose go into the Arsenal game

24:23

was news. Don't let this season for

24:25

a while. I can. Don't. You

24:28

just can't. You can't You can't let

24:30

it drift away. Pakistan negative feelings, the

24:32

police and a conference around the club

24:34

on the fan. So so well done.

24:36

Well done Arsenal Satire or Keepin man

24:38

City and Limits or honest and I

24:40

think Forests is neutrals in this place.

24:42

Keeps you honest. L et les push

24:44

him to push him over. Why did

24:46

I say if they win, all the

24:48

guys are going to win a title

24:50

with their game in hand or whatever.

24:52

But Arsenal did what they ought to

24:54

do. And again, not not amazingly glittering,

24:56

but efficient. Yeah. Consistent.

24:59

Reliable. Solid. Defensively

25:01

much. but if they're really good worth muscles

25:03

good as it does a really good when

25:05

porn when. You.

25:07

Get. Just before we move on know

25:10

that I just wanted one is touching.

25:12

Something that came up in this also

25:14

gave came up in the months

25:16

he sees a fateful says semifinal against

25:19

Chelsea post messages talking about the work

25:21

load on the players. The only

25:23

acceptable. And. Dangerous situation that plays if

25:25

he loses and into play Mikel Arteta

25:27

was still needs to get Roman talked

25:29

about the wellbeing of these players and

25:31

in a given enough time to rest

25:34

him because he says he can perform

25:36

at the right level. Me:

25:38

It was a thorough and planning on

25:40

the of a coat with the lack

25:43

of replays and people you know realizing

25:45

that whatnot mean sea level A for

25:47

the we both been in a low

25:49

laden and know how important in how

25:52

big those days are both to to

25:54

pass him temecula Censor house. a

25:57

points robinson's it in a lot

25:59

for hours after games, you know, pep's

26:01

game was played on the Saturday, could have

26:03

been today on the Sunday, gave them 24

26:05

more hours instead of, you know, playing on

26:07

the Saturday. I was out there

26:09

after a massive Champions League game in Munich

26:11

where they stayed over, I was reading, they

26:14

stayed the night to try and debate, they

26:16

had about three hours sleep, they got back

26:18

to London, 48 hours later they travelling to

26:20

Wolves. Are

26:23

we pushing play too far? Is this why

26:25

maybe some of the quality? I'm wondering if

26:27

some of those, you know these big games

26:29

when they say, oh, you know, it hasn't

26:31

quite lived up, are we, are

26:33

the players being flagged so hard that

26:35

it turns, there's not that shortness

26:38

in your lens, there's not that shortness in

26:40

your mind where you can go again. Are

26:43

we going to be careful when I'm getting

26:45

to that saturation point? Yeah, I think we

26:47

are, Rob, and, you know, I think, let's

26:49

be brutally honest where the blame lies here.

26:52

The blame lies with what often the blame

26:54

comes to is money. And

26:58

UEFA's determination

27:00

to increase

27:02

the European competitions, the

27:04

Champions League has a new format for

27:06

next season. Champions League, more, yeah. More

27:09

games like, and

27:12

they're the ones, in the

27:14

FIFA Club World Cup, there's an expanded version

27:16

that's more games for the players, the international

27:18

players don't get a break, there's tournaments at

27:20

the end of the season, that's the problem.

27:22

And if you're, you know, I absolutely feel

27:24

for the football, the football league, by the

27:26

way, weren't even consulted about this agreement between

27:28

the FA and the Premier League, there's money.

27:30

No, it's incredible. And then they're doing away

27:32

a replay. I mean the replays, I mean

27:35

I feel uncomfortable, Rob, I feel really

27:37

uncomfortable about this, like the small teams

27:39

that, you know, if you're a little

27:41

oxygenated where I started and you draw a big

27:43

team and you somehow fight and scrap and find a

27:45

way to draw the game, to go, if you're in

27:47

the third tier or fourth tier, and you get a

27:49

chance to go back to a Liverpool or a Man

27:52

United. To take Manu, Kelsey or Spurs or... So

27:55

amazing, and that's going to go, that's going to go. There

27:57

are massive days in your career, mate, there are massive days

27:59

in your career. and the massive

28:01

moments for fans. Not everybody

28:03

can win the Premier League, not everybody is

28:05

going to win a domestic trophy, but sometimes

28:07

those big games, those big moments, you

28:10

talk about 20, 30 years

28:12

after about people who've been to the game,

28:14

you know, have got the program still from

28:16

the match, had a memory, saw a goal,

28:19

whatever, whatever. And we've

28:21

just got to be so careful

28:23

with where football's going and the

28:26

amount of play and whether this

28:28

football regulator's going to come in and maybe adjust

28:30

things a little bit and have a little bit

28:32

more of a different view on things we're going

28:34

to have to wait and see. But,

28:37

you know, I've just felt that Papin and Michel

28:39

are tattooed. We're putting it out there, Rob, that we've

28:41

just got to be careful where we go with

28:43

the demand that we're putting on the current play. What

28:45

can they do? The

28:48

amount of injuries. Yeah, it's just, there's

28:50

got to be something done, Rob. And

28:52

listen, let's just remind everybody that, for

28:54

example, the Bundesliga is 18 teams. They

28:57

have one cup competition. And they

28:59

have a winter break. So

29:03

there is ways of mitigating

29:05

the workload on top players by doing things like

29:07

that. But that's another decision that, you know, what

29:10

comes into play, Rob, the Premier League today, they

29:12

want to have less games. They want to cut

29:14

two teams away. Well, I

29:17

wouldn't be surprised if the League Cup is not no

29:19

longer. The next five years, I'd be surprised if the

29:21

League Cup still continues the way it is, mate. Because

29:24

the big clubs, you know, it doesn't affect

29:26

them. They don't want those games. They don't

29:28

want those matches. They're probably saying that they

29:30

should look to sell out those tickets. And,

29:33

you know, a European place will

29:35

go elsewhere in the league. Just

29:37

to finish up on this, Rob, without being

29:39

too much dim and glim, I've never known

29:41

a season, right, where so

29:43

many clubs have got so many injuries. And

29:45

there might be other reasons for that. These

29:47

longer games, 100-minute games. You know, if you

29:50

work it out, it's like multiple games, four

29:52

or five, six games more per season or

29:54

extra time. It's starting, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah,

29:56

they are hanging around. I mean, all the

29:58

players, my game notes... see, I mean, Luton town,

30:01

they've got like 10 or 11

30:03

injuries, like, you know, man united about, I mean, all

30:05

the teams have got crazy injury lists and people don't

30:07

want that, we don't want that, fans don't want to

30:09

see, they want to see the best players, week in

30:11

week out and the more games you give them and

30:13

the pitchers are so good now that they, that

30:16

encourages the fast football and intensity as we

30:18

know Rob has gone up every single year

30:20

and the stats and the data, the amount

30:22

of sprints, the amount of hamstring injuries and

30:24

player sprinting and,

30:26

and yeah, and maybe, maybe some of us

30:28

listeners, Rob and watchers now are like, like

30:30

rolling the eyes where they get paid fortunes, well,

30:33

don't care what they get paid, if this

30:35

amount of games at the intensity there is, then they're gonna

30:37

be injured and I don't think we all want that. No,

30:40

it's gonna affect the spectacle of what we've

30:42

got and it tells us what's great about

30:44

the Premier League, that we can see people

30:46

go toe to toe and, and enjoy those

30:48

games and, and you know, that's what we

30:50

want to see, so yeah, just to sort

30:52

it, they come out and there's obviously gonna

30:54

be more talking about that and we're gonna

30:56

have to see what the Premier League and

30:58

the football league and the FA decide

31:00

to do about protecting, you know, the

31:03

game so that money is trickle down

31:05

to the low end but protecting the

31:07

players as well and making sure that

31:09

we, we give them the right investment

31:11

recovery after these huge games, especially when

31:13

they're travelling in Europe and then coming

31:15

back to domestic football. Let's

31:17

get to domestic football, let's get to Goodison,

31:19

a huge game down at the bottom end

31:21

of the table, Everton off that terrible defeat

31:25

midweek. I think we all

31:27

felt they've got to be better, they'll give

31:29

some kind of performance. Gant to Nottingham

31:31

for his team that played decent football,

31:33

Rob, that I think Nuna, you know, has

31:35

brought on to, I

31:40

think a different type of football than Steve Cooper

31:42

played but a little bit more confident, a little

31:44

bit more proactive. But

31:46

it's everything they get the win, get the two goals. The

31:50

Controversy here, Rob, was a couple of decisions

31:52

that didn't go far as well. I think

31:54

it was three actual penalty claims, they all

31:56

involved Ashley Young, they all weren't given and

31:59

they're all available. Kind of fall back

32:01

on the A on Stewart out well

32:03

I believe he was of Yale referee

32:05

who now it's been seen as as

32:07

is in Luton Town. fun and naismith

32:10

plan to happen by the owners and

32:12

see people in this stop at nothing

32:14

about before the game and obviously is

32:16

now blown off into a real story

32:18

love I'm ignoring and follies. And.

32:20

Not happy that they're our with ensure

32:22

You veil and none of those decisions

32:25

were given a have to say. She.

32:27

Was history I'm not sure should have been

32:29

given one I thought was a penalty take.

32:31

I feel the the fall of of them

32:34

if you ask me on communists in the

32:36

box heavy land of a non to say

32:38

as love there are tons but Senator Joy

32:40

when taking a boy yeah I'm doing is

32:42

on the bully. He hits him on in

32:44

the back of the ankle a seemingly coffee

32:46

goes down. How that okay

32:48

The referee doesn't give a silly that

32:51

go to Via looks at and says.

32:53

That their. Families cannot look in this

32:55

disease, no contract. He doesn't get

32:57

the ball but for nothing to

32:59

be given a county one's I'm

33:02

of. This is how is Alice?

33:04

You're out well and vr refereeing

33:06

that this game. When he said.

33:08

Well. Known: Luton Town Fun. While.

33:12

I mean just put it on the decisions the

33:14

three of them and i dunno I that the

33:16

first one he might get that one he might

33:18

he might get that one the little clip on

33:20

the back of a heel pretty much on via

33:22

rain and yeah some my as i have a

33:24

not is go on with yeah and I still

33:27

think the most referees don't give that a says

33:29

you know if the side see the incident on

33:31

know that that the premier league and I'm when

33:33

scientists bus they said that the double was gonna

33:35

be a little higher profile in the box we

33:37

seem we have seen one given like that so

33:39

I get us and even if is fifty fifty.

33:42

Sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't and it's

33:44

not a novice. Era does number one number to

33:46

the humble for my cod ghosts about post. Again,

33:49

i i believe that more referees would not give

33:51

that have we seen him given or that yeah

33:53

i'm sure we probably arms but again surface for

33:56

nine or things less and fifty fifty for me

33:58

on that one again so not and but maybe,

34:01

but the last one I agree with you. Now

34:03

the statement and this is where it gets crazy

34:05

because almost the whistle's blown at the end of

34:07

the game where of course Everton won the game

34:09

2-0, good strikes from outside the box, Ajis

34:12

Arganage initially after 30 minutes and Dwight

34:14

McNeil off the post. Plenty

34:16

of space by the way in midfield for these two players to

34:18

take their shots uncontested

34:21

but 2-0 the loss and this is

34:23

what we get is a social media post

34:26

from Nottingham Forest, the Football Club, the

34:28

official post. Three extremely

34:30

poor decisions, three penalties not given

34:32

which we simply cannot accept. We

34:35

warned the PGMOL that

34:37

the VAR is a Luton fan

34:39

before the game but they didn't

34:41

change him. Our patience has been

34:43

tested multiple times, none

34:45

of us at the Football Club would now consider

34:47

its options. Now what the heck those options are

34:50

I don't know. I hate

34:53

the fact that clubs now and Nottingham Forest

34:55

they've hired a good friend of ours Mark

34:57

Clattenberg, we've talked about him before as a

35:00

referee consultant which is a new position in

35:02

a Football Club that I've never seen before.

35:05

I mean this statement,

35:08

you know what Robin and I

35:10

saw some reaction from different

35:12

pundits around the world and I saw

35:16

one from Jamie Carragher I read his quote saying

35:18

that this was like a fan in

35:21

a pub, right in a kind

35:23

of a complaint on social media.

35:25

It's lacking

35:27

any type of class, it's

35:29

not the right thing to do, it's

35:32

inaccurate, it's not three

35:34

penalties which simply cannot accept. It was

35:36

one bad decision in our

35:39

opinions. What do you think Rob

35:41

first off on a Football Club

35:43

that is making that kind of

35:45

statement afterwards, straight afterwards? I

35:48

think it comes across, it reflects

35:50

badly on the Football Club I

35:53

think and the

35:55

game. I think

35:57

it's part of, listen Mark Clattenberg has got

35:59

to just the football club

36:01

now is justifying it and that

36:03

we'll look at our options kind

36:05

of line is very tenuous

36:08

and I'm

36:11

not sure what more can you do, you put

36:13

it out there, what more you expect to do,

36:15

you're thinking somehow we're going to get the game

36:18

replayed and that world's not going to be on

36:20

it. It begs

36:22

the question that you're suggesting a referee

36:24

is not given one of

36:26

those penalties because he's a loop and fan.

36:29

Yeah the VAR's a loot fan, by the

36:31

way Rob, so if he's a loot fan,

36:34

why doesn't he give one? Is he assuming that Everton, why

36:36

wouldn't he want to draw if you're a loot fan? He

36:43

might want it, exactly,

36:45

that whole thing Rob,

36:47

I don't like the

36:50

connotation that you have, I don't think

36:52

it's foraged, I think foraged it better

36:54

than that as a football player. Yes

36:56

listen, we can argue about the penalties

36:59

and if you're maybe aware

37:01

of the red of foraged and your foraged fan you

37:03

say one of

37:05

them should have been given, I'm not

37:07

going to argue that at all. What

37:09

I'm going to argue is the way

37:12

that this has been bought out and

37:14

this doesn't feel like Nottingham foraged mate

37:16

and I've said a number of times,

37:18

this league is better with Nottingham foraged

37:20

in it because they're a proper football

37:22

player and we enjoy watching him and

37:25

they bring something to the Premier League

37:28

but I don't like the

37:30

route that they've gone down and I

37:32

hope in the next

37:34

couple of days it will drift away and they'll

37:36

be fired not to make too much of it.

37:38

It's not a good ball, it's not a good

37:40

ball for a brand but I don't think, it

37:43

comes across as though he's just

37:45

sitting there waiting for any referee to make

37:47

any kind of mistake or be hard to

37:49

make any kind of mistake and he's jumping

37:51

on it and he's jumping all over

37:53

it and we know Mark well and he's been

37:55

a great referee and he's been right at the

37:57

very top but he doesn't need to do it.

38:00

need to beat an act in

38:02

this manner so let's see how

38:04

that one plays out obviously Poryx have got an appeal

38:06

I think is it this week that they'll find out

38:08

about the appeal of the four points that they were

38:10

docked I don't know where they're

38:12

gonna go with this VAR as well

38:15

so an interesting couple of weeks coming

38:17

up for Poryx with mainly decisions made

38:19

off the port but not

38:22

even Poryx really just got a concentrate

38:24

of making sure they stay above Luton.

38:27

There's one point now between them and Luton

38:29

Rob you know so they're still very much in

38:31

it. Luton 34 games to 8, 25 points, not

38:33

even 44 games, 26 points so with

38:39

that points deduction it has not been mainly

38:41

to make sure they're concentrating on the games

38:43

they got left and making sure they get

38:45

enough points to retain that slot in the

38:48

Premier League. Rob just to finish off

38:50

on their statement the FA the Football

38:53

Association in England is investigating

38:55

this social media post and

38:58

when you start to in inverted

39:00

commas question the integrity of an official

39:03

or referee you're in trouble you're bringing

39:05

the game into disrepute and I think

39:07

we're in this situation where they're questioning

39:09

the integrity of who

39:12

was it again? Stuart Atwell,

39:14

Stuart Atwell the apparent, your question is

39:16

integrity saying he's a little man,

39:18

he's making decisions, that is not okay Yeah

39:23

so they're in trouble, Poryx we're in trouble for

39:25

that With Spring

39:27

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right. Yeah. What we've got next, we have got

41:01

just a kind of a whip around Rob, really,

41:03

of the other games around the Premier League. I'll

41:07

just do a couple off the top here. You

41:09

talk to me about Brantford and your man, Johan

41:11

Wieser. I know you've got a lot of Wieser-loving

41:14

side at the moment. Yeah, I mean,

41:16

I just do

41:18

love him. I think

41:20

that he is. And I'm going to give it.

41:22

I'm not sure we've organized our underappreciated this week,

41:24

Rob. With all the stuff going on every couple

41:26

of days. Yeah, so he's just been a bit

41:28

busy week. It's been very busy. I don't know

41:30

whether it's official or not official. But I'm giving

41:32

my Johan Wieser is the

41:35

underappreciated performer this weekend. And underappreciated

41:37

because not only just for his general

41:39

play, but because of the football club and because of

41:41

Ivan Tony and because of Brian and Berma. Johan Wieser

41:43

is the third player that gets kind of love. Every

41:45

time I see him play, he's a threat. I

41:47

remember we, maybe I gave it to him a few weeks ago. I

41:49

remember a game now where he was all over the place. He's

41:53

involved in everything. He links the play really

41:55

well. He gets inside the box. He helps

41:57

defend as well. So Johan Wieser had an

41:59

absolute game. first couple of goals, A-score, Pinnock scores the

42:01

next one from a set piece, Lewis

42:04

Potts at the back post, Kevin Schade goes

42:06

through, I mean, Lutentown were, oh

42:08

gosh, so disappointing Rob, what I expected in

42:11

this game at Kenoweth Road, against Brentfordside, you

42:13

know, there were another one of those that

42:15

were kind of floating in an area where

42:17

they're probably going to be okay, I expected

42:19

so much more from the town, and Rob

42:22

Edwards, Rob, going off at the end

42:24

of the game, he was shaking

42:26

his head, he was almost like putting his hand up to

42:28

apologise to the fans going off, the Lutentown fans, I'm

42:30

sorry, we should have done a lot better

42:32

with that. Did you see this one, Rob,

42:34

closely, and what are you thinking? I

42:38

didn't see closely, sort of highlights

42:40

of the game, but it

42:42

was the first time, Rob, I've ever felt

42:44

like Luton looked like a promoted

42:47

team coming up who was struggling to get

42:49

to the level, and that's the biggest sort

42:52

of disdain

42:55

I could say about this one

42:57

team, who had to go every

42:59

game mate, whether they've won four,

43:01

got beat by City, whether they've

43:03

been in games and lost it

43:05

late, and maybe a little lack

43:07

of experience, but just not them

43:09

at all. A

43:11

real bad day, I think Rob Edwards has talked about,

43:13

we've just got to put that one to bed and

43:16

kick on again, Luton with

43:19

the team, who I felt believed that

43:21

they could still stay up, they go

43:23

to walls and they go home

43:25

to Everton the next two games, huge

43:27

games for them in terms of trying to

43:29

stay into the league. Rob Edwards has just

43:31

got to find

43:33

that belief again, initially we all said the

43:35

bottom three, the three coming up look like

43:38

the three going down, then I think we've

43:40

all said Luton like they're the ones who

43:42

are going to get out, and all of

43:44

a sudden, look at Burnley, Burnley, they've got

43:46

them so competitive, I know we'll go to

43:48

the next, but Luton 25 points, not even

43:50

Fyze 26 points, there

43:55

might still be a little race down there between now

43:57

and the end of the season. Just

44:00

move on real quick Rob, we don't want to be too long

44:02

on these games. Sheffield United won Burnley 4. Wow,

44:06

like you know, when you look at the points

44:08

on the league table, they're not

44:10

out of it. And it depends why I was

44:12

not in Forest with the points appeal and

44:14

their general form. Burnley can, if

44:17

they can win three out of the next

44:19

four to get to, I

44:22

mean that's going to be nine points, I've also won 32. You

44:25

know, if Forest could capitulate and don't

44:27

win another game, then they got a chance. Yeah,

44:29

yeah. We didn't see this coming, but it's a

44:31

tremendous victory Rob, isn't it? Away from home, Sheffield

44:33

United now have done and dusted. Yeah, it just

44:36

gives them home. Haven't been good enough. Sheffield

44:38

United are going to get relegated, but Burnley still fighting.

44:41

Aston Villa robbed the next game. Aston Villa... They're

44:44

still fighting. Yeah, Villicry, Bournemouth won. I

44:47

think I'm right in saying that Salanke scores the

44:49

penalty, wasn't it, to put them one in left?

44:51

Penalty. Yeah, he got the penalty, didn't he? Yeah.

44:54

And Morgan Rodgers, my boy. My boy, Morgan

44:56

Rodgers robbed it. Yeah, he's back again, isn't

44:58

he? Blimminac, he continues to do clever things

45:00

in and around the box, clever little moves

45:02

for his goal, chucks the ball back and

45:04

finishes off real nice. And

45:06

I mean, Villa puts themselves in a very

45:08

good point. What a win. Yeah,

45:11

yeah, yeah, absolutely. And there's six points clear at

45:13

Tottenham. Tottenham got two games in hand, but a

45:15

really good win for Aston Villa. And

45:18

moving along, Rob, Crystal Palace five. This

45:20

is not... This is a very

45:23

unpalised, like, 5-2 against West Ham United. Now, there's

45:25

two parts to this, Rob. There's

45:28

the Oliver Grasner and how they look

45:30

so different with Edger in the team,

45:32

with Michael Ise in the team, with

45:34

John-Fonit Matata. They really say absolutely. And

45:37

it's funny, Rob, and I know we could talk... But

45:39

any funny how a striker in a different

45:41

team with a different approach, with different wide

45:43

players, is a different player. John-Fonit Matata and

45:46

De Bois Hodgson for many, many months, like,

45:49

when is he ever going to score? What does he do?

45:51

You know, but now all of a sudden, when your

45:54

wide players stretch opponents and asking questions and crossing balls

45:56

in, and then... It's... They look like

45:58

it. And again, it was in that... though

46:00

when games are going on, never time I looked at the

46:02

Palace game, well they're gonna

46:04

score every single time I looked up there

46:06

so he has made some difference and it's

46:08

new Palace, they've made a really good appointment

46:10

in Oliver Glazner and as long

46:12

as they can keep hold of Eza

46:15

and Michael E say in the summer which is a big if,

46:18

then there's some fun and exciting times

46:20

for Crystal Palace. Yeah

46:24

and Rob I think this is Palace team

46:26

though, he's probably got one or two players

46:29

he knows around Europe who he thinks can come in

46:31

as well, he's got a young

46:33

squad there mate, there's a young group of players

46:35

there and they've definitely got a manager who

46:37

wants to get on the ball. The

46:40

big story coming out

46:42

of this one Rob, was will be

46:44

David Moyes again and add to the

46:46

will he or won't he be there

46:49

next season. Losing

46:52

in Europe this week against a Labakusen

46:54

team that don't lose to anybody was

46:56

obviously one port. Losing

46:58

5-2 to Crystal Palace is not a

47:00

good look by any means for West

47:02

Ham and for David Moyes and I

47:04

know he's been there, I think that

47:06

the line lately is careful what you

47:09

wish for with David Moyes, you know

47:11

they could get a lot worse. I

47:14

sense these now a group of West

47:16

Ham fans who are like, listen

47:18

we'll be thankful and grateful for what

47:20

he's done, it kind of feels like

47:23

the time's now for parting Rob. You

47:26

know I have flip-flopped a little bit on

47:29

this Rob, you know and I'm a little

47:31

guilty of that but I did say at some point I

47:33

think I said to be fair give him

47:35

another season and this will come to a

47:38

natural conclusion whether it's kicking on

47:40

and doing great or whether it is

47:42

coming to the end. I mean it does

47:44

feel like it's kind of coming to

47:46

a natural conclusion right now and

47:49

I think you know what also influences me Rob

47:51

is that is the kind of the standard the

47:53

quality of coaching right now in the Premier League

47:55

and and some guys that might be available could

47:57

do a really good job at West Ham. in

48:00

a more progressive way. I'm speaking to Tim

48:02

and Rebecca about this today, Rob. Now that

48:05

Roy Hodgson's gone, you can

48:07

look through this Premier League table. I think we're

48:09

talking about Everton, with Sean Dyche's kind of approach

48:11

and style. There's,

48:14

I'd say, Sean Dyche and David Moyes

48:17

are the two of the more pragmatic, but

48:19

that's kind of it. Wherever you look in

48:21

the table, you've got bright, young things. Glaz

48:23

is a great example of Crystal Park. I'm

48:25

going to go through this. I mean, it's

48:28

not working out for... I mean,

48:30

Sheffield United, I guess, is probably different. They haven't

48:32

quite got the right level right now. But Burnley

48:34

trying to play in a progressive manner. Lewin Towne

48:36

certainly have. Not in a farce than the Nuno.

48:38

Not so much in the Steve Cooper, but certainly

48:41

in the Nuno, he's more progressive. Everton, no, not

48:43

so much. Different, and that's OK. Brentford

48:45

always try and be on their front foot.

48:47

Palace are, Bournemouth are, the new guy.

48:50

Paul Lathaf, Wolves are, Brighton, of

48:52

course. Chelsea, everybody else. So

48:56

I think the game is changing. London United, maybe

48:58

not so. Yeah, you're right. You're

49:00

right there. So I don't know. It

49:03

does feel like, Rob, that it is going to

49:05

come to a conclusion and an end in the

49:07

summer. I wrote the same thing. It

49:09

just feels like... I saw a

49:12

West Ham fan say, like, you know, he

49:15

really appreciated what Moyes has done when

49:17

he came in. They were fighting relegation.

49:19

He's taken to European

49:22

finals. They won the conference

49:24

league. But he said, 20%

49:26

or 30% possession every week, sitting back and

49:28

waiting for a counter-attack. It kind of feels

49:30

like yesterday's tactics. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.

49:32

I got the same thing, Rob. I got

49:35

a very good friend who's a... He

49:37

was a huge West Ham United fan, and he

49:39

kind of... He said to me, actually today, on

49:41

a message, sort of saying, like, you know, he's

49:44

fed up with the grass, you know, be

49:46

careful what you wish for. For

49:48

him, he wants something a little different.

49:51

And I think the players, the recruitment, some of

49:53

the recruiters have been really good at West Ham.

49:55

They've got some good players there now. And it's

49:57

whether you might lose the will of some of

49:59

these talented... players if it's still if

50:01

there's a little bit grinding a little

50:03

bit pragmatic etc I hope

50:06

it doesn't come across as being disrespectful to David

50:08

Moyes what a what a job he's done there

50:10

no but the fans they are the

50:13

they are the club really the foot the fans the

50:15

supporters are the heart and soul of clubs and if

50:17

there's too many that want to see something different then

50:19

the ownership has to seriously consider

50:21

it and I think this result is a

50:23

bit of a shocker for for Moyes late

50:26

on and maybe just maybe

50:28

there's gonna be a job coming

50:30

on the on the market for somebody. Okay

50:35

my friend let's turn it to two

50:37

FA Cup semi-finals played over the

50:39

weekend Saturday and Sunday Saturday we

50:41

saw Manchester City taking on Chelsea

50:43

the City team that obviously went

50:45

the forearms with Real Madrid lost

50:47

the game in the end of

50:50

penalty kicks obviously tired

50:52

obviously fatigued obviously mentally not probably in

50:54

a great place but they had to

50:56

get the game and then got the

50:59

job done well it wasn't pretty from

51:01

City's point of view it turns the

51:03

look out on their feet Chelsea

51:05

I thought did

51:08

as well as could have expressed I thought

51:10

it's one of those days where Pochettino set

51:12

his team up right then the day he's

51:14

not got a center forward who can score

51:16

goals it can take the chances in Nicholas

51:18

Jackson the team created and Manchester

51:21

City end up in another

51:23

FA Cup final Robert and

51:25

have a chance of the double and

51:27

after what they've done last year and

51:29

the pressure and mentality

51:32

that was on the football club it'll be an

51:34

incredible achievement if they can end up with a

51:37

double a travel last year and a double this

51:39

year. Yeah and I think you said it Robert

51:41

the start it wasn't a pretty performance in Manchester

51:43

City and sadly the way I think these Champions

51:45

League games come at this point and teams are

51:47

exhausted we've talked to all of them you know

51:50

the top three right now they're all hanging on

51:52

a little bit in terms of their performance levels I

51:54

mean I do have to go back to Nicholas

51:56

Jackson Robert it is a story on one side

51:59

of it. play like he gets a

52:01

lot of chances he's on the shoulder he's one

52:03

of them that's half-turned he wants the ball in

52:05

behind his finishing is really poor right now Robin

52:07

it was it was a little embarrassing for him

52:09

some of the opportunities that yet I mean I

52:11

saw I watched the game because it's

52:13

difficult we have Premier League games going on there was

52:15

a little window we could sit in our in our

52:17

dressing rooms and just watch the game and I probably

52:20

watch 20 minutes of this game he could have scored

52:22

three goals in 20 minutes I guess it was those

52:24

three chances so that's

52:27

that's that's unfortunate for the team

52:29

and for the club and you know that that's the way

52:31

they are but out of silver scores the goal one nil

52:33

thank you very much we get to another Wembley final when

52:35

you're right I always

52:37

want to see the best teams any teams really

52:39

a little rested and I know

52:41

we've got midweeks coming up but after this this

52:43

bunch of midweeks I really hope that there could

52:45

be some rest I know then you've got a

52:47

few days out for the next weekend it's

52:50

just so many games right now but city and

52:52

pep when mad didn't he had a right run

52:54

afters about no no how the TV

52:56

companies are not helping the with

52:58

the fixtures and the TV companies they pay them they pay the

53:01

big bills they they want games

53:03

on in best slots with the best teams

53:05

and and that's the way I've always been

53:07

isn't like other countries Rob where

53:09

the Dutch league might put I access game on

53:11

the Friday because they got a checkered league game

53:13

on the Tuesday yeah help out yeah it's a

53:15

little different because in the Premier League well

53:18

how many is like four five six

53:20

teams in Europe and you can't help

53:22

all of them yeah so yeah so

53:24

it is what it is

53:26

and they've done remarkably well to handle

53:28

it another final for them Chelsea

53:31

will lick their wounds and I think

53:33

it's pretty clear there's good moments of

53:36

Chelsea there's some good passages away yeah

53:38

some bright I really like Malagosto right

53:40

back he's so confident on the ball so good

53:42

and the midfield looks better I don't know as

53:45

part of it I really like obviously there's some

53:47

big parts to plug and to try and improve

53:50

whether they got the money to do that is the

53:52

worry for the Chelsea fans but no well done man

53:54

City the

54:00

podcast off with the... I'll call

54:02

it the Manchester United experience my

54:05

friend because it seems in

54:07

some ways that's what Manchester United are. I remember

54:09

this start in last week's podcast with us and

54:12

we talked about United but I'm nothing. Isn't

54:14

it funny when you're not like... they never

54:16

have a cruise control, they never control in

54:19

games. It's like they're one of them teams

54:21

who's always jamming and I've got to tell

54:23

you mate, the 3-0... 58 minutes on the

54:25

clock, Bruno gets the third goal, I swear

54:27

to you, I turned back to put USA

54:30

on to start watching, catch a bit of the lip

54:32

books and saying 3-0 games, 3-0 games, maybe I don't

54:34

know, I was coming to you and I was doing

54:39

something and I looked on my computer

54:41

mate and I saw 3-2 and I'm

54:43

like what? So I jump back on

54:45

my thing to check the game again

54:47

and as I'm checking it was the

54:49

last penalty kick, had you right, I

54:51

was just taking the penalty, 90 plus

54:53

five, had you right, I was just

54:55

going with 3-3 man and I'm like

54:58

I'm just shaking my head going this

55:00

can't be true, please tell me and I saw

55:02

the goal then and saw the way he played

55:04

out and I saw your

55:07

under 10s football again going from one end

55:09

to the other with Coventry,

55:11

you know, Man United smashing the

55:13

ball with Bruno and Ellie

55:16

Sims, smash one against the ball

55:19

for Coventry and Coventry have a

55:21

goal, it's just ruled offside, like

55:23

toenail up offside when

55:25

they think they've won it late in extra

55:28

time. I suppose

55:30

you've got to say in the end, you know,

55:32

you got two well played and I want to

55:34

come up with a couple of saves, they blast

55:36

one over the top, they win the penalties, they're

55:38

2-0 to the final, they play Man City and

55:40

that was what was the aim

55:42

at the beginning of the day but

55:44

I mean, Rob,

55:46

it almost feels awkward

55:49

to feel pleased

55:51

for United in this. I'm going

55:53

to challenge when you say well

55:56

played, it's not is it? I

55:58

mean they got through. Well, you're in the

56:01

final game, mate, aren't you? So you've accomplished

56:03

what you set out to do. You're in

56:05

the final. Oh, I suppose so. In the

56:07

final. If they win the

56:09

final, yeah, if they win the final, and

56:11

in the year's time, we won't go, oh,

56:13

remember the country game when they're 3-0 now

56:15

and then they're 3-0. We'll say, oh, Man

56:17

United won the FA Cup. Or

56:20

Eric Chenhogg, if he's putting

56:22

his case to Lim Ratcliffe

56:24

and the new staff now,

56:26

if they won the FA Cup, that's

56:28

a piece of silverware that he's won.

56:30

How he's won it, I'm

56:33

not sure. Because if you're using how he's

56:35

won it, is there any kind of template?

56:38

Eric Chenhogg made a little package bags now. Because

56:41

I'm sure if you're a Man United

56:43

owner, and you're seeing your team get

56:46

run ragged in the last 30 minutes and

56:48

can't hold on to a 3-0 lead and

56:50

control the game in that manner, then, oh,

56:52

that's a worry, my friend. I don't know

56:54

where we go, Rob. You

56:56

know, like, it was 71st minute, wasn't it?

56:59

71st minute, I think, was the first minute.

57:01

Yeah, they were 3-0 up. The

57:03

first goal. 3-0 after 70

57:06

minutes in a game against Coventry City

57:08

at the championship, with

57:11

neutral venue at Wembley, with tons

57:13

to play for, you

57:15

can't see that out for the last

57:17

20 minutes. It is astonishing

57:19

to me. And we had the game on, of course,

57:21

we were focused on our game, it was on a

57:23

random little monitor in the corner of the studio. And

57:26

we were, what? Like,

57:29

what is happening? Like, it was

57:31

insane, absolutely insane. And the

57:34

faces of him at the end, even though they

57:36

win the penalty shootout, I

57:38

just don't know where, I just,

57:40

where that makes any sense

57:43

that you can have full trust in

57:45

the manager that enables that

57:47

comeback for Coventry City, a

57:49

neutral venue, in 20 minutes

57:52

to score three goals. And

57:54

that is the nature that we've said, Rob, there's a game

57:56

at one end, there's a game at the other end. And

57:59

you know what? He might win this game. I

58:02

mean, that is astonishing to me. And

58:04

but they're through. And I

58:06

think it will be remembered. It will be remembered.

58:09

That is a FA Cup classic. That will be

58:11

a classic forever more, that semifinal and how that

58:14

came about. And you've got to feel for the

58:16

players who miss a penalty. He's one of them

58:19

crying at the end there. They gave everything.

58:21

And for that club to get to an

58:23

FA Cup final, and I

58:25

know what it's like to do. I've been there. I

58:27

have done that. I have been there. And we have

58:29

got there. And we lost in the final. But to

58:31

play in that thing was the highlight of my whole

58:33

career to walk out in an FA Cup final that

58:36

as a kid I dreamed of

58:38

doing. These players were so

58:40

close to doing it as well on penalties. My goodness,

58:42

what a cruel way to go. But

58:44

the story will be manual item and how that

58:46

happened. But they did find a way to get

58:48

through. And they're through to another domestic

58:51

Cup final for Eric Tenha. I'm

58:55

exhausted. Tenha, if he's. The

58:59

look on his face, Rob, was golden.

59:01

It's like, I mean,

59:04

it felt hard to kind of celebrate

59:08

that much when they circumstances of how

59:10

you got there. Do you know what

59:12

I mean? If it's 3-0, you end

59:14

up winning. And it's a great lovely

59:16

professional performance. No, it's a 3-3-year-old. Then

59:19

you end up having to do a penalty. Your

59:23

toe nail, it could have been done

59:25

another way with a Villar decision. It's just

59:28

one of those looks. I saw Jason Wilcox

59:30

and a few of the Manchester United owners

59:33

and staff were looking down. And you

59:35

just wonder what they're thinking. Where do

59:37

they see the future? Are they OK

59:40

with that, Rob? And we've

59:42

got through. Are they expecting a little bit more?

59:45

I've got to tell you, if they play anything like that

59:47

last half an hour against Man City, it'll be 6 or

59:49

7, by the way. Because City

59:51

will be wrecked. If City will be motivated,

59:53

they'll be looking for a double. And

59:56

they may well have won the Premier League by then. If

59:58

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