0:14

Hello there.

0:18

That's right, it's Spencer.

0:20

I'm coming to apologize once

0:24

again. My

0:26

actions this time were

0:28

unavoidable and yet unstoppable.

0:33

And that's why we have

0:35

to pause, take

0:38

stock and

0:40

reassess. So for today, we're

0:42

actually not going to have an episode. Thanks

0:45

for watching. What's up, Kevin? I'm

0:49

not doing a good. That just scared me a little bit there. I

0:51

thought you were getting canceled. I got to

0:53

start thinking, you know, when we started the show, I actually

0:55

would think about what I was going to do in the

0:57

beginning. And then I was like, Oh, wing it. And then

0:59

the whole thing is like, I've never learned how to improvise.

1:03

So it's just, it's not,

1:05

it's not good. But

1:07

Hey, it doesn't have to be good because it's

1:10

not about me. This episode, it's about

1:13

our wonderful guest. And I'm not

1:15

talking about Kevin. You know

1:17

him from the audio

1:20

wizardry conducted on such

1:22

podcasts as rude

1:25

tales of magic. Oh, these,

1:27

those stars of space worlds

1:30

beyond number and fun

1:33

city, the man behind

1:37

the fortunate horse. He's

1:40

here live in studio. You can't

1:43

say it's live at studio. Taylor

1:46

Moore is here. Everybody as

1:50

if by magic. Hi. Hi. Thank you both for

1:52

having me so much. Yeah.

1:54

Thanks so much for coming on. So

1:58

yeah, I don't know. You were tweeting. I was

2:00

reading one time and I was like, oh man, Taylor

2:02

would be so good on the podcast. And then I

2:04

asked you to come and then you showed up. And

2:07

that's a story that was

2:09

worth saying. Okay, so.

2:12

It was the last days of disco on there, isn't it? Yeah,

2:15

I don't know. It's sad, it's sad. Like, I

2:18

don't know. The internet is,

2:21

everybody says the internet's bad. I'm not sure that the

2:23

internet's bad, but I'm sure the good

2:26

of it has been boxed out as much

2:28

as it can possibly be done. But

2:30

I don't know. I have connected to a

2:32

lot of people on social media and there's

2:34

not a new place where

2:37

those connections are happening. As Twitter

2:39

falls into the Nazi hole and as people

2:42

move to threads and stuff, those connections just

2:44

aren't happening. People are on threads and they

2:46

are on blue sky, but I don't think

2:48

those, I think it's kind of like

2:50

our relationship with social media

2:52

has matured as well. And so that's kind of

2:54

made it so we aren't doing that same stuff.

2:56

I don't know, maybe that's a bit defeatist or

2:58

whatever, but doesn't it kind of seem like that,

3:00

where it's like, oh, people will move somewhere else,

3:02

but they're not connecting the same way they used

3:04

to. I don't know. You

3:06

are not crazy. It

3:10

is the weirdest case of didn't know

3:12

what you had till it's gone I've

3:14

ever seen. I mean, we

3:16

hated it, we hated it, but

3:18

when it's gone, oh, oh, I

3:21

miss it the salad days of Twitter. Who

3:23

knew? Yeah, I think it

3:25

was, yeah. Because

3:27

it felt fake at the beginning, so it's

3:30

like you could do whatever, and then it

3:32

became more legitimate, and then people were like,

3:34

oh, we gotta be kind of careful around

3:36

here, we don't wanna lose jobs or whatever,

3:38

and then it became not mattered again. But

3:41

whatever, whatever, whatever. I don't know what I'm talking about.

3:43

Listen, I know, I know, I'm gonna make you. Because

3:48

there's this thing people do where if

3:50

you talk about how bad things are,

3:52

people call you a doomer and say,

3:54

well, everyone's always thought everything's bad.

3:57

Everyone always, it's like Tony

3:59

Soprano. line. Everybody feels like they're just

4:01

now coming to a place that's long past

4:03

its good days and we're having to sort

4:05

of deal in the leftovers.

4:09

Amy Hempel, this short story writer, had

4:12

a great line in one of her stories

4:14

that describes someone going through their days like

4:16

a severed head finishing a sentence. And I

4:18

think about that all the time. But yes,

4:21

that's true. A lot of people have been complaining for

4:23

a very long time. But you're not wrong. Everything

4:26

is literally getting worse,

4:28

especially the internet. You're

4:31

not wrong. That's happening. Yeah,

4:33

I think, you know, I don't know. Obviously,

4:35

we kind of work Hollywood or Hollywood adjacent

4:37

or whatever. But I think that's a big

4:40

thing in Hollywood too. Everyone's

4:42

like, oh, I just got into TV too

4:44

late. Oh, back then, you could actually get

4:46

an overall deal. And then when people were

4:48

getting overall deals, they would say stuff like,

4:51

oh, back then, you actually got your meals

4:53

catered and stuff. And then it's like back

4:55

then, we actually got paid for

4:58

real. And it's like, yeah, it has

5:00

kind of ratcheted down. It has been

5:02

the end of all those eras. And yet,

5:04

there's still much further to plummet. But I don't

5:07

know. It's interesting.

5:10

Or it's not. I don't know. One of

5:12

the two. But okay. So people

5:16

are saying everything's bad. And you also think

5:18

everything's bad. I mean, you're, you know, again,

5:20

you use the term doomer. I don't know

5:23

how else to put it, but you are

5:25

somewhat of a climate doomer. Isn't that the

5:27

case? I have been

5:29

accused of this by

5:32

some people. I don't know how in the

5:34

world I got involved with

5:36

this. I am I have no expertise.

5:38

I have no reputation, nothing like that

5:41

at all. And yet somehow I am

5:43

known in certain internet circles as a

5:45

like a climate apocalyptist. So

5:49

what do you what do you think? What do you

5:51

think about the climate? Like, oh, it's so bad. Oh,

5:53

it's so bad. This is the first word in the

5:55

first five minutes. Look at Kevin's face. Look at what

5:57

you've done to him. Kevin, say something so they can

5:59

see you. Yeah, no, I sorry, just the way

6:01

you said that made me laugh a lot. That

6:03

tickled me a little bit. Yeah, it is terrible. It's

6:07

the most depressing thing in the

6:10

world. It is so, it's so

6:12

back when COVID, we

6:14

miss it, don't we? Back

6:16

when COVID first started, sort of

6:19

the Twitter of COVID, those

6:22

early fun days, I decided

6:25

to bury my head in the

6:27

sand by reading the UN

6:29

Climate Committee reports, like

6:32

full, like front to back, not a

6:34

headline, not like the Twitter excerpt, but

6:36

actually like downloading the PDF, printing it

6:38

out and reading it while

6:41

my wife was in the other room. And

6:46

it's so bad. It's

6:48

so bad. There's so much worse

6:50

than everything you hear in the

6:52

media and what the, any

6:55

time you hear a politician about it,

6:57

everyone is completely in denial. And even

7:00

like the big mainstream climate reports that

7:02

come out are, have

7:04

like, they have been propagandized

7:07

to reflect the interest of

7:09

the UN stakeholders. So

7:11

even if you read like the sanitized,

7:14

the nicest, most hopeful version

7:17

from the UN reports, it's

7:20

still a, it is very, very, very

7:22

bad. And then it gets

7:24

to the mainstream of what most people

7:26

hear and it's, it's completely disconnected. It's,

7:28

it's terrifying. Yeah, I agree. It's

7:31

really terrifying. I think like, so obviously

7:34

I agree that it's really bad. I

7:36

think the problem isn't so much

7:39

how bad it currently is. It's

7:42

just the complete lack of will to

7:44

do anything. I think it could stand

7:46

to get a lot worse. And then

7:48

if a concerted enough effort was undertaken

7:50

to really go hard and fix

7:53

everything, you know, using, you know, the limits

7:55

of human science or something, I think we

7:57

could bring it back. But the thing is,

7:59

that's been. That's not gonna happen like

8:01

just it's not gonna happen at all and

8:03

so like it's it's it's accelerating so much

8:06

and everything Like I don't know, you know,

8:08

I used to be a lot less Skeptical

8:12

about it just because it's like,

8:14

you know I

8:16

don't know, you know, it's like everything gets

8:19

worse and but also humans can like survive

8:21

a lot of things But there's kind of

8:23

like this death loop that like a lot

8:25

of the ways we survive heat is by

8:27

pumping more heat into the world and

8:29

that you know is only gonna accelerate but

8:31

I Think just

8:33

like the markers that I was told

8:36

I would start seeing as a kid

8:38

We've just blown past those like so

8:40

fast that like they don't even talk

8:42

about that anymore And it's like,

8:44

you know again when I was in school, it's like oh if it's

8:46

1% You know, that's

8:49

that's the point of no return and then I

8:51

don't even know what a percent it is now

8:53

Like but it's like we're just so and that

8:56

everything's getting hotter and I don't know You know,

8:58

it's possible that we're in a local epicycle or

9:00

whatever where we're kind of at a maximum right

9:02

now that could come down Yeah

9:05

But that doesn't that's not to say that like

9:08

it's not really really bad It's just it could

9:10

be really really bad and also on top of

9:12

that There's like a little bit of weight on

9:14

the scale, but I think that overall

9:16

it's just it's uh Yeah,

9:19

I just I don't know what's gonna happen other

9:21

than we're all gonna die. I guess right? Nope

9:24

Well, that's that's how I got over

9:27

it So this is how I got better Spencer because

9:29

I I took it really hard when I started actually

9:31

reading the research. I Fell

9:33

down a bit of a bit of a sad bit

9:35

of a kind of a blue spell. Ah, you

9:37

know and

9:40

I eventually realized you know, it's That's

9:43

really what it comes down to is Like

9:46

the realization that the way of life

9:48

we are experiencing now is going to

9:50

come to an end Probably in our

9:52

lifetimes. Unfortunately when we're at our weakest

10:00

famously cares for its elders. Two

10:04

childless men entering their late middle-aged in

10:07

a time when

10:12

the world runs out of icy hot. Yeah,

10:14

it's... Oh, go ahead. Well,

10:17

I'm just saying the ultimate... Well, that was

10:19

going to happen anyway. We are... Civilizations

10:24

end, worlds end. Every

10:26

time a person dies, that is a world that ended.

10:29

Then things change and things,

10:32

you know, other things come along after

10:34

that. They're like stressing out about it.

10:36

I mean, it's... Yes, we

10:38

are going to witness man-made horrors beyond

10:40

our comprehension. Well, you know, yeah,

10:42

but so did a lot of people and

10:45

people will do it again. And to

10:48

get too worked up about it is sort

10:50

of selfish. Now, people will say that that

10:52

is actually what I just said is the

10:55

result of propaganda by the oil

10:58

industries to make us so despondent

11:00

that we do not take political change. We do not

11:02

like take political action to change things. I

11:05

don't know if that's true or not. I

11:07

think, you know, according to those

11:09

people, there are, you know, attempts to

11:12

instill that. But that doesn't mean it's...

11:14

I mean, but, you know, that's the thing. There's

11:17

multiple truths, right? They can be planning this angle

11:19

because they want to keep doing what they're doing

11:21

and it can be a really reasonable assessment to

11:23

keep doing that we can't

11:25

do anything. And there's probably stuff

11:27

that could be done that if we didn't think

11:30

like that, you know, but at the end of

11:32

the day, there's only so much, you know, power

11:34

that we can exert without, you know, like, you

11:37

know, like, okay, we

11:40

talked before the show

11:42

and I said the

11:44

one thing I can't

11:46

do is talk about

11:48

political violence. I'm

11:50

just saying, like, I'm just saying that there's not a

11:52

lot that can be... And that's not to say that

11:55

that would work at all, but there's just not a

11:57

lot that can be done, you know, so it's not

11:59

just... like skepticism being like, oh,

12:01

this machine is unstoppable. It's like it kind

12:03

of is, you know, like there's just not,

12:05

there's not much we can do about. So

12:07

I think, I think it's, it's, it's a

12:09

bummer. I don't know. The interesting thing about

12:11

the apocalypse is, uh, it'll suck

12:13

like it, and not in the ways that

12:15

you expect. Like when I was a teenager,

12:18

I was like, man, I'd be fine fucking

12:20

running from zombies and shit and making booby

12:22

traps and learning how to like, uh, put

12:24

cars together and then write them for two

12:26

miles or whatever, you know, until it breaks

12:28

down or whatever. That seems doable. But

12:30

like what's going to happen is just, I

12:32

don't like it's, it's going to involve apps

12:34

and it's going to involve like being sold

12:36

bugs. Like people are going to be like,

12:38

you got to get into this new, you

12:40

know, sack of buckets or something, you know,

12:42

it's just, it's going to, and then the

12:44

TV is going to still be on, you

12:46

know, and it'll, I don't know.

12:48

You know, there's, there's all sorts of countries where

12:50

the power just goes out regularly, but they still

12:53

have like radio and stuff. It's just like, it's

12:55

just interrupted and it just kind of sucks. It's

12:57

not like, it's not, we're all running for our

12:59

lives. We're not like sharpening knives and putting

13:01

spikes onto the front of our cars or whatever,

13:03

but it's just, it's going to be a couple

13:05

of spiky cars. I

13:08

hope so. Uh, man, Mad Max is, uh,

13:11

Mad Max would be optimistic. Wouldn't that be nice? So

13:13

you could fucking, you know, spray paint your mouth and

13:15

go nuts for a while. Like that sounds fun. Um,

13:18

but, but yeah, anyway, who would you be in

13:20

Mad Max? Well, I think I'd be the cool

13:22

guy in charge of the water. I

13:26

want to be, um, the, I want

13:29

to be, uh, the telescope guy. You know,

13:31

the guy who looked at the telescope. Yes.

13:34

He gets to sit, you know,

13:36

I love sitting. I'm really good at that. But

13:40

I, uh, I listen, we're

13:42

going to be okay in that we

13:44

are not absolutely in any way going

13:47

to be okay, but you know, you

13:49

just, you make friends, you make a new family, you

13:51

might have to move. Food's going to be

13:53

hard to get at some point, maybe probably who

13:55

knows, or some billionaire makes

13:57

this crazy like it. in

14:00

material science and comes up with an essentially

14:02

free solar panel or carbon capture technology.

14:04

And then we just kind of get

14:06

to dust our hands and pretend that

14:08

it all worked out and everything

14:11

continues to pace, add and find them

14:13

forever. Yeah, I mean that's

14:15

what's so sad is that it feels like the era we're

14:17

in is unique in that

14:20

we actually do have the answers to

14:22

the problems. For so much of human

14:25

history, they haven't had the answers. And

14:27

to the extent they had this or

14:29

that answer, they hadn't had the technology

14:31

to deploy those answers. Now we have

14:33

the technology to deploy the answers, we

14:35

have the answers, we have the science,

14:38

and we just aren't doing anything. It's insane.

14:40

But so I'm told you eat food, is

14:43

that correct? I've

14:45

been known from time to time. Yeah,

14:48

yeah. So I really like food. Man,

14:51

I like food. Wingstop, they

14:53

have these maple sriracha wings. I

14:56

just got some today and passed out for like three

14:58

hours. It was really good. Wings

15:00

start. Well,

15:03

it kind of wingstop my whole day for a while. I

15:08

was supposed to do stuff. I missed an appointment. I feel

15:10

really guilty about that. But hey, you

15:12

know, that's what it is. Do

15:15

you cook? What kind of food? What's

15:17

food in your life? Okay,

15:20

so without the intervention of my wife,

15:22

here's what I do. This

15:24

is what I do when I'm alone. I

15:27

go on to Fresh Direct and I

15:29

order so many frozen

15:31

meatballs. So many frozen

15:34

meatballs. And the

15:36

big plastic tubs of

15:38

arugula. And then

15:41

like a bunch of all the sauces. You

15:43

name a sauce? Baby. I

15:46

got it. I have the sauce. Really?

15:49

And then I eat. And then I get this. I'm

15:53

the cool guy that controls

15:55

the remaining ranch. supply.

16:01

Think about it. He's in Ranch Town. Not

16:03

as important as Watertown. It's just really valuable. Yes,

16:05

look, I eat the meatballs and

16:08

the arugula and that's

16:11

it. Here's

16:19

the thing, so before

16:21

I started getting, quote unquote, real

16:24

jobs, my day job was I

16:26

was a mani. I was a

16:28

full-time mani for a super rich family on

16:30

the Upper East Side of Manhattan. I

16:34

cooked and cleaned and I helped raise the

16:36

kids and everything. There's also other house staff.

16:39

I worked there for five years, raised the

16:41

youngest kid from 8 to 13, sent two

16:43

kids off to college, still in touch, lovely

16:46

kids. But

16:50

I made dinner a lot of nights and

16:52

I did all the washing up. After

16:55

that, so essentially like

16:57

a late 20s, just moved to

16:59

New York, Goober, is suddenly like

17:01

a part-time dad for a

17:04

family of five. After

17:07

that job, I just thought I don't ever

17:09

want to wash another dish. I

17:12

learned I was very good at cooking. The

17:16

mom and the family taught me how to cook. It

17:19

was adorable, like a Lifetime movie. But when I

17:21

was done with it, I was just like, I

17:23

don't ever want to wash another goddamn liquor set

17:25

for a crock pot. I'm fucking sick of

17:27

it. I hate

17:29

it. I organized my personal food habits

17:31

around what is the easiest to get

17:34

and the easiest to clean up. Frozen

17:37

meatballs, multibande, I cannot recommend

17:40

frozen meatballs enough. You

17:42

get the big thing of arugula, occasionally have some

17:44

fruit. If you're good to go and you don't

17:46

have to think about anything, very little cleanup. Pro

17:49

tip, get the arugula in the plastic tubs, not

17:51

the bags and get them with the hard plastic

17:53

lid. I like the Saturn Farm arugula, not

17:55

the other stuff that has the soft peel lid, because

17:57

it always fucks up. It always pucks up.

18:00

comes off and then that arugula goes by in like

18:02

26 hours. Whereas the

18:04

Saturn Farm stuff with the hard plastic lid, that's good for

18:06

like two weeks if you take care of it. Wow,

18:09

yeah. I get, I'm not these days, but I

18:11

would get spinach like that and I think I

18:13

got the soft lid and you'd kind of have

18:15

to go through and pick out the spinach that

18:17

would kind of like, I think it would get

18:19

bruised and so it would like putrefy really fast

18:21

and most of the spinach would be fine, but

18:24

if you didn't like get it out, it would

18:26

start to like infect everything. And

18:28

then it would be like you'd lose half the bunch

18:30

or whatever really quick. But

18:32

so yeah, I don't know. When

18:35

I was younger, I used to do this thing

18:37

where I would get frozen meatballs and

18:39

I don't know if they're frozen or refrigerated.

18:41

I think they're frozen, frozen Brussels sprouts and

18:43

I would just put them in the bowl

18:45

and they'd microwave at roughly the same kind

18:47

of thing and I would be like, this

18:50

is like just

18:52

eating a bunch of spheres. This is great. For

18:54

something, I just like the, there's green

18:57

spheres and brown spheres and then

18:59

you just eat both of those. I don't think I

19:01

went with sauces or anything, but yeah, I don't know.

19:03

In my regular life right now, I really like cooking a

19:06

lot, but it's hard to integrate

19:08

cooking into your routine unless you have a lot

19:10

of time. And so right now what I've

19:12

been doing is I get yogurt

19:14

from Trader Joe's and I get,

19:18

they have like chickpea salad there

19:20

and then I, on

19:22

Saturdays or whatever, I try and meal

19:24

prep a bunch of frozen chicken burritos.

19:26

And so that's basically all I eat

19:30

lately. And then sometimes I'll go

19:32

to Wingstop or whatever, but it's going really

19:34

good. I've been trying to lose weight lately

19:36

and so I can just eat

19:38

that stuff and come in well over my calorie

19:40

allotment and not feel super hungry and have a

19:42

lot of energy. I exercise and it doesn't like,

19:45

I'm not like, oh God, I can't exercise. I

19:47

don't have the energy. And so

19:49

that's been going pretty well for me, but

19:51

it's similarly, it's very, you don't think about

19:53

it. I think a lot of cleanup

19:55

is, it's pretty simple, you know, and I only end

19:57

up cooking like once a week basically, you know, to

19:59

have the whole set of burritos.

20:02

But yeah. I

20:05

like it. I listen. We're trading food hacks.

20:07

We're getting efficient. I like it very much.

20:09

I mean, I love food. I love food

20:11

so much. I will go to the fanciest

20:13

restaurant. I can appreciate anything. I love

20:16

it all, baby. But I

20:18

fucking work 100 hours a week. A lot of

20:21

the time that's like, I don't want to spend

20:23

a moment of that washing a dish. God.

20:26

Yeah. So it's just, it's, it's,

20:28

it's, yeah, the spears and

20:31

nature's pills. Uh, I

20:33

love a brussel sprout. Oh my God.

20:35

We've been roasting a lot of broccoli

20:37

recently. Mama Mia. What

20:39

a treat. Yeah.

20:42

I fucking love roasted broccoli. I, you

20:44

know, I think roasting vegetables, it's the

20:47

more you can roast it without just completely

20:49

charring it, you know, the better, but I

20:51

will, I will definitely over roast some broccoli

20:53

and then, you know, salt and pepper and,

20:55

uh, olive oil, obviously. And

20:57

then when it's done, I'm eating it

20:59

and I'm like, this is like bacon.

21:01

It feels like I'm eating bacon. Um,

21:03

and that doesn't sound right,

21:05

but it's, it's really, really good. It's

21:07

just super crispy. It's salty. I'm having

21:09

a great time. Um, but it

21:12

does, it does make quite a stink, I will say,

21:14

but I'll just eat that off the sheet

21:16

pan, you know? Now, can I,

21:18

can I ask you a question about something that

21:20

you mentioned? Well that doesn't tell you enough information

21:22

to answer the question I asked. Can

21:25

I ask you a question about trying to lose weight? Yeah.

21:27

Yeah. The first podcast to talk about

21:29

it and it's here, the first

21:32

dream we're doing it. This is

21:34

a topic I think people will

21:36

respond to. Uh, have,

21:40

have you considered going on one of the

21:42

new science fiction bills? Uh, yeah,

21:45

definitely. I want to, I think they cost a lot

21:47

of money. Um, but you know,

21:49

you hear, you hear bad, uh, stories, I don't know,

21:51

someone pretty recently, like apparently died on the O's Den

21:53

Baker or something. I'm not sure. Yeah. I don't know.

21:56

And like when I was

21:59

in high school you heard about the ECA

22:01

stack with ephedrine and caffeine and something else

22:04

I don't know but you know that

22:06

was like the old days but ephedrine was

22:08

similar where someone someone took a federal probably

22:10

a very unsafe dose and died and

22:13

so that's why ephedrine is not really legal before

22:15

that it was like you could just kind of

22:17

buy it but so I've always

22:19

been super interested in that but yeah it just

22:22

I don't think my insurance would cover it and I want to

22:24

say it's like two hundred dollars

22:26

for a dose of Ozempic which

22:28

you need every two

22:30

weeks I think and it's an injection that I think

22:33

you give yourself I don't want to be giving myself

22:35

like I get a doctor to inject it or something

22:37

but I don't want to be like having syringes in

22:39

my fridge that I gotta like shoot into my ass

22:41

or something that that seems like a hassle especially for

22:44

like two hundred dollars a dose or something you know

22:46

but I think I would I

22:49

I am I agree

22:51

with you on the money that is a lot especially

22:54

when like Adderall and centimeter much

22:56

cheaper but also their speed

22:58

that you get addicted to and drive you today

23:01

which I guess the other the new ones don't

23:03

but I'm kind of romanced by

23:05

the idea of sticking a needle in

23:07

myself I've never done needle drugs but

23:10

it does I don't know there's something so fucking

23:13

dramatic about it I think I'd like to try it out

23:16

yeah no I I hear you I

23:18

think you know if it was like

23:21

I don't know 20 bucks I think I'd

23:23

probably inject it myself but it's I would I

23:25

would pay 20 dollars to go to a place

23:27

where you'd they let you just try out putting

23:29

a needle in your body well

23:32

that I think you could probably find something

23:34

like that I don't know whatever but you

23:36

know welcome to needle town yeah well there

23:40

you go that's another good one you

23:43

know post apocalypse but okay so

23:46

are you in New York I don't I'm

23:48

not sure on where your location location is

23:51

I'm in historic Brooklyn New York okay

23:54

me ask restaurants in New York

23:56

are so good like California

23:59

LA has some good places or whatever but

24:01

it's just I feel like almost

24:04

any place you go in in New York is

24:06

gonna be like good and it's like cheaper than

24:08

buying groceries half the time is

24:10

that the case well

24:13

yeah but I feel in the LA that way

24:15

with like with with tacos

24:17

yeah that's in taco adjacent things

24:20

mm-hmm I'm pretty I'm pretty picky about tacos

24:22

I mean you can get good tacos in

24:24

a lot of places in LA but if

24:26

you go to like every taco place you

24:28

see at least for me it's

24:31

not really good tacos it's

24:33

the thing is I think like they're

24:35

so authentic that that gets you a

24:37

really like even like a bad authentic

24:39

taco is like solid but for me

24:41

it's like a lot of you

24:43

know I'm on a beer a kick I like trying

24:45

beer your tacos basically anywhere you go and a bad

24:47

beer your tacos good but then I'll eat one I'll

24:49

be like I shouldn't eat this like there's

24:51

no reason I should I should have been here but

24:53

it's good to like check it off the list and

24:56

be like I know you sign know that this place

24:58

is not a place I want to go to and

25:00

that but but I think like I think it's the

25:02

authenticity I think when you don't live here and you come here

25:04

and you try like even some of the worst tacos I think

25:06

it's like man this is crazy but you get used to it

25:08

I guess you kind of get I know

25:10

I feel like maybe Chinese foods like that in New York

25:12

like I don't think like there's some good places you know

25:15

at San Gabriel Valley but like a anytime I

25:17

got Chinese food in New York I was like

25:19

Jesus Christ what the fuck is going on like

25:22

this is just awesome so that's

25:24

great because there's a lot of Chinese places

25:26

around what did you go to a specific

25:28

neighborhood or just like the corner happy family

25:30

garden sort of place so

25:34

whenever we went to New York we

25:36

would stay at the standard in East

25:38

Village oh yeah

25:41

you know when we would travel like a

25:43

big part of it was Dan wanted to

25:45

play like hang out in nice hotels and

25:47

stuff so we you know we would it

25:49

would impact the the the paycheck that we

25:51

got from the shows or whatever but the

25:54

places in the area is really nice all

25:56

the time you know I I'm

25:59

not a big bar person but They would go to library bar

26:01

a lot of times, you

26:03

know, and so there is just

26:05

I don't I couldn't tell you where but I Just

26:07

sometimes get like, you know breakfast

26:09

sandwiches around or Chinese Because

26:11

there's not general sows chicken that much in

26:13

where I am like you can get it

26:16

like like maybe one in ten places But

26:18

it's not like everywhere. Go ahead Wait,

26:20

hold up. Really? Yeah,

26:23

I think you know you guys have

26:25

orange chicken, right? I think orange chicken

26:27

is like in most places Instead

26:29

of general sows chicken and then general sows

26:32

chicken is again in a few places But

26:34

mostly it's it's orange chicken if it's that

26:36

kind of thing. God damn

26:38

it America. Yeah, just keep surprising

26:40

me incredible Well,

26:44

that's but listen, I think what we're getting at

26:46

here is big cities just have great food Like

26:50

big cities just rule it's great. It's better to go

26:53

do I mean, yeah, you're not as close to the

26:55

farm you can't shake hands with

26:57

the Cow pig but

26:59

well unless they bring the let's

27:01

say bring it in but you know Come

27:04

on. It's just all these different kinds of food

27:06

so close There's also close these little hole in

27:09

the wall spots God almighty Oh, yeah when I

27:11

first moved my when I first moved to New

27:13

York, I lived where I live now in Bushwick

27:16

And it was a really early wave

27:19

of gentrifier the

27:21

kids used to And I

27:23

just wasn't because of anything I did Except

27:25

my entire existence in the neighborhood, but the kids

27:28

the local kids would chase us down the sidewalk

27:30

and throw nuts and bolts I

27:32

don't know where do you would get handfuls of

27:34

nuts and bolts and they would just That's

27:42

really funny But like two

27:44

blocks two short blocks away. There was a little

27:46

bodega in the back They had like an illegal

27:48

kitchen and the burritos that came out of that

27:51

place. Ah The

27:53

Brussels sprouts of Brooklyn we used to call that Wow,

27:56

that's that's topical. I don't know

27:58

so there There's good food in

28:01

LA. There's a lot of good food in LA.

28:03

Oh, it's an incredible food town! Yeah,

28:05

but it has a food culture that I

28:07

think is like, not good. I think

28:10

it's like this hip kind of healthy

28:12

kind of thing. The good food is

28:14

like authentic stuff that's like, oh, you

28:16

go to like, Little Ethiopia or whatever,

28:18

you know, and then you get that

28:21

stuff. But then there's kind of this

28:23

branded like, LA kind of food that's

28:25

like, it tries to be

28:27

complicated and healthy. And I don't think that's

28:29

what the food culture in New York is.

28:32

And again, I think the good food in LA

28:34

isn't like that because it's not adhering

28:36

to this sort of weird thing.

28:39

But yeah, I don't know. I'm definitely... I don't

28:42

think I could hack it in New York, honestly.

28:44

But I wish I could live with the food,

28:46

like the food. No! Do you really

28:48

feel that way? You feel that you wouldn't do well in

28:51

New York? The city exerts

28:53

a pressure. Would you say? I feel like when you're

28:55

in New York, I mean, maybe you're used to it

28:57

at this point. But I feel like when you're in

28:59

New York, it just like feels like it's crushing you,

29:02

if that makes sense. And I feel it when I

29:04

enter and I feel it until I leave. And then

29:07

it's like a constant anxiety, you

29:09

know, the honking. But just it

29:11

just feels like it's pressure. It's like it's

29:13

squeezing me. It's like smashing me down, if

29:16

that makes sense. I don't know. I think

29:18

it's maybe just, you know, the buildings like

29:20

you can't see like the hills of California.

29:23

You know, like you could see like anywhere you

29:25

go, you can kind of see the hills around

29:27

where I live. And maybe it's just that, like

29:29

you're not centered in the same way in geography.

29:31

But I just, yeah, I feel this crushing pressure

29:33

that I think like would make me go insane

29:35

or something, if that makes sense. But I really

29:37

like the city. I just like it's this weird

29:39

ambient vibe that I can't get out of. I

29:43

have felt like that, but I feel like I

29:45

have felt that way everywhere I have ever gone

29:47

in my life. I

29:50

mean, should we compare and contrast New York and

29:52

LA? Again, I think this is the first,

29:54

we're the first to do it. It's compelling

29:56

content. You might be able to work into

29:58

some kind of deal. Yeah,

30:01

I don't know. But even in LA, I need to

30:03

go to the trees and I need to soak up

30:05

some nature. Where do you like to

30:07

go? Around Los Angeles, where do you like to go to get

30:09

back in touch with the earth? Griffith

30:12

Park is the main one. When I lived

30:14

in Koreatown, I would just go to Griffith

30:16

Park literally every day and

30:18

it would help a lot. Because I'm from

30:20

the suburbs, and I would

30:22

drive on back roads of farming areas

30:25

and stuff. And that was just kind of

30:27

like my regular day to day. And just

30:29

not having like this bounded trees that are

30:31

on a planter or something or this park

30:33

that's in the middle of it. It's not

30:35

the same as actually like this is kind

30:37

of, and obviously Griffith Park is really manicured

30:39

and whatever, but this kind of unchecked

30:41

kind of natural nature, this natural

30:43

wilderness, it feels so different and

30:45

it's very centering and grounding. So

30:48

I kind of need that a

30:50

lot. Yeah,

30:52

like the parks and

30:54

the canyons and the hills there in

30:56

LA, yeah, I guess technically it's sort

30:58

of like terraformed or whatever. But every

31:00

once in a while, someone

31:03

gets eaten by desert

31:06

dogs. And I think just

31:08

every once in a while, just every year,

31:10

one guy gets eaten and that's enough to

31:12

sort of keep it in that sort of

31:14

John Muir wilderness archetype space that we need

31:17

to be around. Yeah,

31:19

I've been seeing a lot of deer lately and

31:21

especially male deer. And I don't know, back in

31:23

the day, I would not like think twice about

31:25

approaching a deer, but I see him now and

31:27

I'm like, this thing might just like go ham

31:29

on me if I don't like keep my distance.

31:31

But it's just nice. You see a deer, they're

31:33

so big and you're like, where does

31:35

this live? Like how is it hiding? You

31:38

know, like there's so little like Griffith Park

31:40

is like relatively big, but even that's like

31:42

all these hiking trails and stuff. It's like,

31:44

where do you go that you're

31:46

safe, that you're a deer and you're like, this is fine, we

31:48

can stay here. I

31:50

was just in Boston seeing some family for Diwali

31:52

and I'm staying in their house and we're going

31:55

to bed and I have the window open because

31:57

the heat's too high. You know how it has

31:59

got to be. open that window. I am

32:01

not bothering a host about the thermostat.

32:04

Over pain of death, I will not do it. Open

32:06

that window. I'm trying to

32:08

go to sleep. Spencer ate

32:11

the loudest chorus of coyotes

32:13

I've ever heard. Oh, yeah.

32:15

In the middle of Boston.

32:17

Like not down like not

32:19

downtown. You know,

32:22

but like close enough to where you just

32:24

don't think and they were set like dozens

32:26

of them. And sure enough, yeah, Boston apparently

32:28

has a real coyote problem. Yeah.

32:31

And then people think that coyotes sound kind

32:33

of like howling wolves, but they

32:36

don't do they they sound more like, like

32:38

yipping kind of like

32:40

like, like, like a pack of shitsus

32:42

or something where they're just kind of like

32:45

going, wow, it's like really high pitched and

32:47

really energetic. And it's very interesting. It's kind

32:49

of it can be kind of disturbing. But

32:51

you know, it's it's more obnoxious. But

32:53

it's awesome. I fucking love coyotes. I

32:56

famously love coyotes. But people think I

32:58

kill coyotes. But yeah, no, you know,

33:00

I love coyotes. Well, it's a very

33:02

sexy animal. I'm not sexually attracted to

33:04

it in the spiritual sense, though. Very

33:06

sexy. Yeah, I've always wanted

33:08

the coyote to be my friend, but I don't think

33:10

that's safe. But hey, just

33:14

popped into my head. Have

33:18

you ever been introduced to

33:21

the trend of people finding

33:24

gorillas? Not

33:26

all gorillas. Okay, leave. There's a better way

33:28

to phrase this. And you notice that every

33:31

couple of years, there's a news

33:33

story about people finding a certain gorilla

33:36

very hot and wanting to have sex

33:38

with the gorilla and the gorilla becomes famous.

33:41

I've never well, I guess I guess now you

33:43

mentioned it. Sometimes you hear people talking

33:46

about how like this or that gorilla is like super

33:48

caked up or whatever. But that's as far as I've

33:50

heard it. Like, I've never heard so this is like

33:52

a thing where people are like, God, fuck this gorilla.

33:55

It's strongest in Japan. So if you say if

33:57

you go if you Google Hot,

34:01

hot gorilla Japanese. You

34:03

will, you will discover. Okay Kevin, Kevin's on this I

34:05

think. You will discover. There's one or two very no,

34:08

and you're gonna, what, now watch the picture. We're gonna

34:10

see his face when he sees the sexy gorilla. Yeah?

34:13

Yeah. Kevin,

34:16

can you put that on screen? Okay, okay. Where

34:18

is the pornographic? Where is the pornographic? No. Hold

34:22

on. Let me, let me pull it up here. Hold

34:24

on. I gotta

34:26

move it to the computer. Give me one second here. It'll

34:29

be okay. I'm gonna move it to computer. Um,

34:31

okay, so, uh, still, okay,

34:33

so they wanna fuck the gorilla, and then what happens?

34:35

They just talk about it? They post about it? So,

34:38

the gorilla becomes like a minor celebrity for

34:40

like a news cycle, and then we wait

34:42

a few more years. It's just like feeding

34:44

the guy to the coyote in Griffith Park.

34:46

You just, every couple years, the eternal return.

34:51

People die? Does this kill people? No.

34:54

As far as I know, no one's gone in to try to fuck

34:56

the sexy gorilla of the year. They just

34:58

talk about it online a lot, and they go to the

35:01

zoo a lot. Sure. That's

35:03

great. I mean, you know they have fat beer a

35:05

week. They should have sexy gorilla week at some point.

35:08

That could be really good. Um, well, okay,

35:10

so, I, I, I wanna, so,

35:12

so what's, how did you get

35:14

into producing? Uh,

35:17

Claire, we go. Okay, thank you. Wait,

35:21

just a second here. I'm seeing

35:23

one of these gorillas. Some of

35:25

these guys are mids. I

35:29

think those first two, they kind of look like

35:31

they're doing like, uh, Derek Zoolander

35:34

kind of like faces a little bit. Fuck, it

35:36

fucking works. I gotta, I, I shouldn't have said

35:38

that thing about mids now that I'm really taking

35:40

it in. I

35:43

mean, they- More like wing start. Yeah, they're,

35:45

they're very compelling. I don't know. I,

35:50

I was looking in the mirror today and thinking about

35:52

how much I look like shit. So looking at these

35:54

gorillas is really- Spencer, you look great. I've always thought

35:56

you're an extremely handsome man. I mean,

35:59

I wish I knew how to- make it work but

36:01

most people don't think so. You've

36:03

been married for a while, right?

36:05

Have you ever been on dating apps?

36:07

Dating apps are surprising. I have,

36:10

yes, yes, yes. I

36:12

need to meet people. Oh, they're miserable. No, it's

36:14

hell. We shouldn't have them. No.

36:17

Yeah. Everybody gets an app that has

36:19

the picture of the sexiest gorilla that month. That's

36:22

what you're not your big two. It's

36:26

safe. That's an

36:28

idea. Instead of dating apps, just gorilla

36:31

looking at apps. I don't know. The thing

36:34

is, I'm not social. Again, I don't

36:36

like bars. I don't like going to places. Also, in

36:39

LA, everyone's dating. You never meet single people

36:41

in LA. It's crazy. Well, I don't. Maybe

36:44

that's my phone or anything. But the apps

36:46

are just torturous. There's no version of them

36:51

that works. If people are liking you, it sucks. If

36:53

people don't like you, it sucks. It's bad. But no,

36:55

sorry. I wanted to talk about producing. How did you

36:57

get into producing? I really like production. I've

37:00

done a podcast in the past. I've produced

37:02

it myself or engineered it or whatever the fuck.

37:05

It's fun. I like editing videos and stuff. You

37:07

had a TV show. I didn't edit that. I

37:10

didn't edit that. But thank you so much. I didn't edit

37:12

it. But you were one of the

37:14

producers of the show, right? Yeah, I did work

37:16

with the editor. That's what the thing is. Working on

37:18

Harmon Quest, I really was like, I

37:20

wish I knew, not that the editor was

37:22

doing a bad job. They were doing a great job. But

37:24

it was so fun to talk to the editor and see

37:26

him do the edit and then look at it and see

37:28

what's working and not and come up with ideas to change

37:30

it. I really like thinking

37:32

about editing and thinking in terms of editing

37:35

and layering and where to put sounds and

37:37

stuff and how to bridge audio

37:39

things. I'm famously hard to edit.

37:41

My words just roll together. It's like,

37:43

how do we make my edits, make

37:46

my sentences into other sentences without it

37:48

sounding insane? All that stuff is super

37:50

fascinating. It's like a puzzle. I really

37:53

loved editing on that show. It

37:56

shows. Thank

37:59

you. No, I use I use

38:01

that show as an example when I'm pitching stuff of like

38:03

this is the best way to do it That's

38:06

so awesome. Man. That's so great. I really

38:08

think I'm so like the thing is is

38:10

like you peek early Like that was the

38:12

first thing I've ever really did It

38:15

was like a very true expression of

38:17

my creative ideas, you know And

38:19

and then it was over and it's like

38:21

man is anything ever gonna be like that Like

38:24

even if I get the free rein to do something

38:26

like that Is it ever gonna be that good just

38:29

because also it was like improv, you know And

38:31

the alchemy of improv is like it wasn't planned to

38:33

be that good Every record was just fucking amazing, you

38:35

know And also we cut it a lot like the

38:37

way like we shot for an hour and we cut

38:39

it down to 22 minutes And

38:41

so we did a lot of editing construction and stuff

38:44

and we built it like if you saw the unedited

38:46

and see what we Turned it into you'd be all

38:48

like I mean, I think some people would be like

38:50

wow The show was like really fake and some people

38:52

would be like wow, they really plussed up What was

38:54

there like they really it was transformative editing, you know

38:57

And I'm really proud of all that stuff and it

38:59

was just it's yeah, it's like it's never it's never

39:01

gonna be good again But it's nice I mean, you

39:03

know It's nice to work on something

39:05

and be able to stand by it so heavily like

39:07

I don't like I think it did pretty well Or

39:09

whatever for what it was. I don't know if it

39:11

was a success success or not But like I'm proud

39:14

of it I stand by it and a lot of

39:16

people can't say that about a lot of stuff they

39:18

work on, you know It's like yeah, I like what

39:20

I did but the show I didn't like the show

39:22

or whatever, you know, whatever Yeah, yeah.

39:24

Oh, no, I feel you but let me tell

39:26

you again No, you're not crazy. The show was

39:28

great. It was very very very smartly done almost

39:30

a decade ahead of its time and

39:33

and What was the other

39:35

thing you said that was right? No,

39:42

it is I think it's extremely under I'm sorry I'm gassing

39:44

up the host of the show which is a thing you're

39:46

not supposed to do But but you asked me what producing

39:48

is like and this is a big part of it Like

39:52

you were really far ahead of your time,

39:54

I think it's criminally under seen just because

39:56

of the all the platform Yeah,

40:00

you know if it happened five years later very

40:02

different or five years, you know Who of course

40:04

who knows but like no that was almost like

40:06

a perfect storm of like ah ahead of its

40:09

time gonna be under Seeing because you know of

40:11

reasons that is not its fault Yeah,

40:14

God Love that show because

40:17

you know, you know the D&D the actual

40:19

D&D makers Which is the coast have launched

40:21

a like full-on channel and there now they're

40:23

making their own Go

40:26

ahead wild 2023. Oh, yeah, we you know but

40:29

yeah, so I got into production because I Learned

40:33

it from you dad. I loved I

40:38

Thought I thought I think actual play stuff

40:40

is fucking rad as hell and

40:44

It's it's really cool and it could be

40:46

even cooler And

40:48

nobody was really y'all had ended the

40:50

Harman town campaign at the time and

40:54

Some other other people who were doing good stuff had sort of

40:56

stopped or moved on to something else and no one was

40:59

really making The kind of stuff I thought was possible and

41:01

I you know, I'm in the New York

41:03

I come from the the comedy scene here

41:06

like sketching improv stuff So I know all

41:08

you know how it goes, you know, all

41:10

these incredible talented improvisers performers I

41:12

had tried to do like podcast

41:14

network stuff before making comedy shows

41:17

Years and years and years ago back before

41:20

anybody was selling ads on podcasts even You

41:23

know when you really really had to

41:25

tell everybody what they were so, of course

41:27

it wasn't gonna work So I like had some

41:29

mics laying around and I knew how to use

41:31

audacity to edit stuff So I was

41:33

just like at some point I

41:35

mean, I don't have any like

41:38

technical training But

41:40

at some point you want something to exist

41:42

so bad. You just say I'm just gonna

41:44

learn whatever it takes I'm

41:46

gonna figure it the fuck. I'm gonna watch every

41:48

tutorial. I'm gonna buy every book I'm gonna spend

41:50

the money in the first ten grand or waste

41:52

because you fuck everything up and buy their own

41:54

stuff and and fuck Up all you know, everything

41:56

sucks. I'm gonna go through it all so I

41:58

can learn what it will take to actually make

42:01

the thing I want to exist. And

42:04

so you learn and you teach yourself and

42:06

that's how I got started. I just really wanted to make those

42:09

shows and so I just, no one else is gonna do it

42:11

and they're certainly not gonna do it the way I fucking want.

42:13

And so, yeah, gotta do it yourself. Yeah,

42:17

I mean, first of all, thank you

42:19

so much. Your words are very kind,

42:21

I really appreciate that. I appreciate people

42:23

liking the shit but that's really surprising.

42:25

I didn't know that was like

42:27

what your arc was. I mean, obviously it

42:29

sounds like you were doing podcast producing well

42:32

before the actual play stuff but that's super

42:34

awesome. For a couple of years, we did

42:36

it, this

42:38

was the, no one was really doing

42:40

it. Comedy Baming

42:42

was the only big comedy podcast at

42:45

the time and when I say big, it

42:47

was like 100 of the weirdest nerds you

42:50

ever met so it was just a hard pitch

42:52

at the time. I just convinced some friends of mine to come in

42:55

and do it because you

42:57

know, I mean, this is, you know, back

42:59

when this was the last like, it

43:02

was the last Twitter days of the UCB theater

43:04

which is where I was. So it was just

43:06

like a lot of electric energy back

43:09

before things started to decline there and

43:11

so there was just a ton of energy,

43:14

a lot of people. You could, you know, God,

43:16

it's so crazy if they fly before COVID and

43:18

how different it was. You can go

43:20

to someone's house and hang out and make stuff. You

43:24

know, so there was just all this energy just floating

43:26

around and so I was in love

43:28

with podcasting because before I was a nanny, I was

43:30

a dog walker and

43:32

so I was listening to podcasts nine

43:35

hours a day before the iPhone. So

43:37

I had like little like Sanrio MP3

43:39

player that I would listen to. You

43:42

know, every day I had to load and unload the

43:44

songs on it from my Dell laptop and

43:47

then the iPhone came out. Oh, I made it so easy, it

43:49

was so great. So yeah, so again, just like trying to do

43:51

this stuff too early before it came out. But then, you

43:55

know, I got a real office job at a place

43:58

and was there for a long time. and met

44:00

a lot of creative people and that taught me how to like

44:03

fun things and

44:05

actually actually organize things not just

44:07

put like a sketch shoot together

44:09

with friends on a weekend and

44:11

then yeah I mean

44:13

you know Harman Town wasn't doing the I

44:16

forget what year it was but nice before it

44:18

was over I don't know when it was exactly

44:20

but it was just like the shows that I

44:23

loved had all ended that

44:25

that part of them and it was just I

44:27

just couldn't I couldn't sleep on it. Yeah

44:30

that's so awesome I mean I think

44:32

obviously you're doing really good work and

44:35

you know now you're on World Beyond Number which

44:37

is it's doing really well right and

44:40

like I think of that as like in the

44:42

echelons of critical role which is you know really

44:44

up there but so okay so this is just

44:46

a really weird nitty-gritty this might be a really

44:48

short answer but as a producer how

44:50

do you or how have you

44:53

specifically like furnished your

44:55

sound libraries and like created

44:57

or commissioned like the music

44:59

and stuff that you use because that's something

45:01

that I think is like so important to

45:04

making stuff sound really good and even like

45:06

good production like you can tell if they

45:08

don't have like full access to stuff like

45:10

that like so like what was that process

45:12

like for you like how did you have

45:14

to spend a lot of money like renting

45:16

licenses to get good stuff or was

45:19

it like a really meticulous path like what what

45:21

happened like that's something I've always been super interested

45:23

in in the early days I

45:25

stole everything because

45:28

I had no money I had

45:30

no resources and

45:32

I just I stole everything and a lot of

45:34

times stealing is just like using things that are

45:37

and have been published with a creative creative Commons

45:39

license and just not going through the paperwork of

45:42

putting like the code or whatever in a snippet

45:44

to give credit so in the early days I

45:47

was a criminal and a thief and a bad

45:49

bad boy I love

45:51

but yeah but then then at a

45:53

certain point it was like well that's

45:56

that's untenable I even if I could even

45:58

if I thought I could get away with it forever And

46:00

maybe you can, I see a lot of people do. Yeah,

46:03

most of the podcast, there are major, sorry. A

46:05

lot of illegal stuff. Most podcasts,

46:07

a lot of illegal stuff. There

46:09

are major, huge podcasts that

46:12

use unlicensed music. Every

46:14

time it happens, I cannot believe I'm hearing

46:16

this. By big labels, and they don't get

46:18

flagged, it's crazy. And I'm not even shaming

46:20

them or whatever. I'm surprised. Like you wouldn't

46:22

think, I don't know, you'd think it would

46:24

get flagged by algorithms or whatever. For

46:27

some reason, the people that care about that stuff only

46:29

care about video. They don't give a shit for, they

46:32

don't care about podcasting. Maybe it's because it's too big.

46:34

I don't know. I'm glad they haven't done

46:36

it yet. So yeah, I

46:38

would steal music. I tried to steal

46:40

from, you know, like small people. And

46:43

then I started working on Root Tales of Magic. The

46:47

actual Pay Podcast just wrapped up their first

46:49

campaign. Fantastic. Yeah, check it out.

46:51

It was such a good campaign. Sorry. Root

46:53

Tales of Magic is an absolute gem. And

46:56

I can say I no longer work on the show so I can give

46:58

them full due. I'm not blowing smoke on my own ass.

47:00

That's a great fucking show. Branson

47:03

Reese, the DM who runs it, is a

47:05

generational comedy talent. You got it here. I

47:08

know. It's so depressing how good at everything

47:10

he is. I'm like, like, that's

47:12

the thing is I kind of wanted to do a new live

47:14

play podcast. And I started listening to Root Tales and I was

47:16

like, well, no reason to even

47:18

try. Like, it's just... What?

47:22

No. We'll talk about that in a little

47:24

bit. Okay, yeah, yeah. Because I got a pitch. Yeah,

47:27

no, I actually... But I want to hear more

47:29

about the audio stuff. Yeah, so I started

47:31

working on Root Tales and we decided for Root

47:33

Tales we're going full on Looney Tunes route.

47:36

So like, we want big

47:38

romantic classical music opera,

47:41

like full orchestra stuff. Because the show

47:43

is so inspired by Looney Tunes and

47:46

like, you know, great cartoons and they

47:48

all have these big giant scores. And

47:51

they were writing on their own, just

47:53

full orchestra scoring like every move of

47:55

Bugs Bunny, which now it's like, yeah,

47:57

of course it's a cultural touch, though.

48:00

like it insane. It's a

48:02

wild expense. It is insane that

48:04

they did that. It's

48:07

like, you know, Wizard of Oz, like painting

48:09

all the little people gold or whatever they

48:11

did there. It's just like, what for what?

48:13

We're high. You know, like, this is like,

48:16

it's wild, but they did it and it

48:18

sounds fucking fantastic. So we're

48:20

like, all right, let's do that. And so then for

48:22

so I'm so, you know, I'm cutting together root tails

48:24

and I'm using all this, um, uh,

48:27

this, all this classical music and I got

48:30

really fucking into it. And it was to the

48:32

point where I was taking, you know,

48:34

this music and like cutting it

48:36

apart and cutting out the highs from the

48:38

lows and taking it apart and like stacking

48:40

it back together to make it be what

48:42

the show needs to lengthen it or to

48:44

make it something else. And I got really

48:47

fucking into it. Uh, and so I was

48:49

like, I, I wonder if I couldn't write

48:51

something, but it's just stupid. Do

48:53

you know how stupid like that's, that's Greek

48:56

hubris to like, hubris makes

48:58

this industry work. Like it's the people that

49:00

are delusional that actually get things made. You

49:02

know, I think you kind of need some of

49:04

that. Yeah. I

49:07

mean, it, I guess it turned out okay. So,

49:09

so I, so I like learned. So

49:11

I learned, I just like taught

49:14

myself, I got all the socks for all the

49:16

stuff. It took so long to figure it all

49:18

out, went deep into debt, paying for all this

49:20

stuff and taught myself how to

49:22

compose and how to do it on a computer.

49:25

Uh, and so now, and once I started doing

49:27

that, I just started making all the music for

49:29

all the shows. And so now, now on world's

49:31

beyond number, I, I, the whole, almost all of

49:33

it is original music that I'm writing. That's

49:36

the most depressing answer at all. The answer

49:38

is hard work. I don't, I don't want

49:41

to hear that. That's a,

49:43

I'll give you some pro

49:45

tips if you want to be an absolute dirtbag about it.

49:48

All right. You got to, if you

49:50

want to use classical music is easy. Classical music is

49:52

very easy to rip off. Uh,

49:55

so you want to go onto YouTube and

49:58

you want to find performances. of

50:00

the classical music that you, the writer of

50:03

the music has, has to have been dead

50:05

for like 70 years, I want

50:07

to say in America, you want the writer has

50:09

to have been dead for 70 years, but that's almost

50:11

all the romantic composers, all but a few. So you got

50:13

a lot there. And

50:16

you want to find foreign

50:20

state school orchestras performing

50:23

that work or festival

50:25

performances, like

50:29

festival performances of defunct

50:31

festivals. And they've

50:33

uploaded all this music to YouTube and

50:36

they're never going to come get you. They're

50:39

never going to come get you. Sure.

50:42

That's awesome. Okay. So

50:44

yeah, I don't know. But

50:46

so honestly, you know, Kevin's

50:51

laughing at me. Are you, am I, are we going to

50:53

bleep all that out? Is this like when like

50:55

coffin story comics used to like give

50:58

a recipe for an undetectable like murder

51:00

poison and had to block it out

51:02

on the page? This is all going

51:04

in. This is all going in. Yeah. We

51:06

can bleep whatever you want, but yeah. Also,

51:09

I do think we should start killing billionaires, but not

51:11

all at once. That's impractical. We start with the richest

51:13

people and just do one a month, one

51:15

a month, the richest people start at the top, one a

51:17

month, under a year,

51:19

everybody gets scared. They start changing the system and you've killed

51:22

less than a dozen people. That's a bitch. This

51:25

is my own delusion, but sometimes when I'm feeling

51:27

really bad, it's like, man, I as

51:30

well just try and take someone

51:33

out. It's like all the life of prison or whatever, but

51:35

you know, it's like, at least I did something, you know?

51:38

But hey, let's not, I

51:41

just, you know, the inner workings of my mind are impossible,

51:44

but okay. So one of the reasons

51:46

why I was really excited to get

51:48

you on the podcast, in addition to talking

51:51

about terror, was, well,

51:53

we're not, we're only trying to scare a very

51:55

small group of people. So as far as terrorist

51:57

goes, we're the best ones because it's, it's, It's

52:00

only like 500 people we're trying to scare. And

52:02

they have all the power. It must be real. Terrorism

52:05

is a loaded term. Like I

52:07

think it has a lot of charge to it.

52:10

Your honor? Your honor? Come on.

52:13

It's a loaded term. Yeah, it's like if

52:16

I can afford multiple planes suddenly it's not, you

52:18

know, but it's like, oh, is that really... Anyway.

52:22

But so this

52:24

is something that I don't even necessarily want to talk

52:27

about. I'm fine about talking about everything I've been saying

52:29

so far. But something I don't even want to talk

52:31

about for a fear of getting people's hopes up is

52:34

I have thought, put a

52:36

lot of thought into trying to start up some

52:38

new live play D&D thing. Why

52:41

haven't you? Okay. So

52:43

first of all, Kevin is a dream

52:45

man. He's a wizard. He could

52:47

do anything. But Kevin lives in Chicago. And

52:52

so I don't know that Kevin could be like

52:54

alive on the floor, you know, boots on the

52:56

ground producer for it. I think if it was

52:58

something like this where we did it on Zoom,

53:00

I think Kevin could potentially, you know, produce it

53:03

if we could work into his schedule. Sure.

53:06

But I think when I think about it, I think I need a producer. I

53:08

don't want to be my own producer. Like

53:10

I don't want to be wrangling guests. I don't want to...

53:13

Like I would really just... Like that's

53:15

honestly the biggest problem, right? And I'm not saying

53:17

like, do you want to produce? I'm just bringing

53:19

this. Like this is my thought process because,

53:22

you know, you're in New York. But

53:25

anyway, obviously, you know, you're busy. Just

53:28

to be real clear, that's not what this is about. It's just

53:30

you seem like a good resource is toxic. But

53:33

so it's just like, it just starts with I need

53:35

a producer and I don't know a producer

53:37

that I want. And

53:40

so it's like, first I need a producer and I don't know

53:42

what to do and I don't want to do all the other

53:44

stuff. Then it's, okay, so who's

53:46

the cast? We need people that can

53:48

meet regularly that I'd either have to

53:50

pay or would convince not to pay,

53:52

you know, take money upfront until we

53:54

could get crowdfunding or whatever off the

53:57

ground, whatever. You know, then

53:59

so you need that. group. Then it's

54:01

like, do you start, do

54:04

you do a bunch of throwaway episodes?

54:06

Do you audition people? Because I think

54:08

chemistry is so important. Rude Tales, it

54:11

was a D&D group that eventually did

54:13

a show. So

54:15

they kind of worked out chemistry before starting

54:17

the endeavor. I think Critical Role was the

54:19

same way. Hormontown was magic and I

54:21

think a big part of that's just the random

54:24

talents in Alchemy of Jeff and Dan

54:26

and my ability to navigate that. To

54:29

create something

54:33

out of the ground, try and find, and also

54:35

I'm not plugged into the scene at all.

54:37

I never did UCD or anything. Some people

54:40

kind of know me or they did. Now

54:42

all those people are kind of bigger and

54:44

so the new crop of talent is not,

54:47

I don't think anyone really knows who I

54:49

am. I think people are down to do

54:51

stuff with people they don't know necessarily sometimes.

54:53

But that's a big barrier. So

54:55

it's like, I want to get a cast

54:58

and then how do you test the chemistry?

55:00

And then also just what's the run of the show? Sometimes

55:03

I think it would be

55:06

good to do multiple, more

55:09

of a rotating cast whereas sometimes I'm like, no,

55:11

you just want a core cast. And then sometimes

55:13

it's like, well, Hormontown was like, you had mostly

55:15

a core cast and then you had kind of

55:17

like a rotating slot. So I'm thinking about all

55:19

this stuff and then it's like, but then

55:22

I need a producer to talk to this all about. And

55:24

so I kind of go in circles and it's just like, it

55:27

just feels like such a big thing to set up

55:29

and then you have to fucking write it. Like everything

55:31

I'm talking about has nothing to do with the actual,

55:33

like what I'd actually have to do to make it

55:35

work. And writing D&D is really tough for me. I

55:37

have a lot of weird, you

55:40

know, like

55:43

therapy stuff with D&D if that

55:45

makes sense. Like before Hormontown, I swore off

55:47

playing D&D because like it just was really

55:49

bad with me and my friend groups and

55:51

stuff. There would be a lot of drama

55:53

and tension and stuff. So it's like, I

55:55

just have a lot of like baggage with

55:57

D&D and Hormontown was good for a while.

56:00

We stopped doing it on the show and we did

56:02

it less and less on the show and so that

56:04

kind of started bringing up stuff Like that and then

56:07

I would play D&D with my friends And then there

56:09

would be similar stuff where I just get really depressed

56:11

after episodes and stuff or not episodes, you know sessions

56:13

So it's like it there's this big like mental block

56:15

for me there But I think if the other stuff

56:18

was set up I could at least go for it

56:20

You know put a good year into it or something

56:22

before giving up But you know like but but the

56:24

totality of all of it It really is really what

56:27

you know stops me and it's like the big thing

56:29

is like yeah I mean I I can

56:31

I can imagine hypothetically fighting producer sure but

56:33

the casting is like I just I have

56:35

no idea And so that's yeah, do you

56:37

do this is a spring any thoughts? Yeah,

56:40

baby. I got you back All right So the

56:42

only the only actual problem that you just described

56:44

is casting that is actually an important question Everything

56:47

else I I think it would either solve itself

56:49

or there's an easy answer or it's not that

56:51

big of a deal Even if it goes bad,

56:53

but yeah casting is the big concern. I Think

56:59

if I were and I've consulted it for many

57:02

people for many projects by the way

57:04

I would produce the shit out of this If

57:07

you had said yes years ago when I pictured

57:09

to you a million times Oh

57:13

Spencer It

57:16

might be right now Are

57:18

you big timing me? I hate no

57:20

ever this happens all the time Yeah,

57:23

I pitched I pitched by pitch people things I

57:27

think at the time there were rights

57:29

questions on what you really could do

57:31

Because NBC Universal still owned a lot of

57:34

the stuff you had already made The

57:37

yeah, so which is fair, you know, but

57:40

so listen no all that is to say I would do

57:42

this show in a fucking heartbeat except I have had to

57:45

Promise I had to put my hand on

57:47

my heart and pledge allegiance to my wife

57:49

and my family and promise them that I

57:51

would not Start another project for

57:53

a year Because things

57:55

got so bad earlier this year. I was dude

57:57

you know what happens when you stop sleeping Have

58:00

you ever, like, what's the longest you've gone when stopping

58:02

sleeping? Because you start to have, like, I'm

58:05

in a, I'm in like a Fleischer

58:07

cartoon in the 40s hallucinations. Like crazy.

58:10

No, like I've, I've maybe gone without sleep

58:12

one night. I don't not. I need sleep.

58:14

Like it's really important to me. I prioritize

58:17

it over almost anything else.

58:19

Like in life. Yeah. Sleep

58:22

smart. Like it's kind of my highest priority. Anyway, so yeah. So I

58:24

would say yes. I

58:26

know that if you, if you stopped doing, you

58:28

know, rude tales, I was like, well, this is

58:31

clearly, you know, I'm so happy that you have

58:33

World's Man number, but it's like, no, obviously, but

58:35

yeah, it's not even a question. Just like, obviously

58:37

I respect you and stuff, but it's like, no,

58:39

you have, you have good, good, you have, you

58:42

have it going on. I wouldn't want to darken

58:44

your doorstep, you know? But

58:46

he darkened. All right. You

58:49

all here, I, here I am gashing those stuff

58:51

again. You also are all that in a

58:53

bag of chips. So, but

58:55

let me tell you, I feel your pain on casting,

58:57

especially since COVID. I never go out anymore. I don't

59:00

meet new performers. I don't see a lot of live

59:02

stuff, but you've got to, you know, I bet if

59:04

you asked around and started like putting out feelers, I

59:06

bet it would turn out. I think everybody would agree

59:08

with me that you've got a pretty wide network of

59:10

people that still want to talk to you who are

59:13

great performers. You know, I

59:15

mean, also I think it's like one of the biggest

59:17

questions people have when joining a project like this is

59:19

like, does it have legs? And you've already got a

59:21

body of work. You can show people and be like, I

59:23

want to do, I want to do something like this, or

59:25

even I want to do the exact opposite of this. You've

59:27

got like really good shit you can show them, which not

59:30

a lot of folks have. So I bet if you started

59:32

putting feelers out, you'd find some good people. I

59:34

would recommend it. That's the

59:36

biggest problem. If I was

59:38

consult you on this project, I would

59:40

say that you

59:43

need to, you could start the show.

59:46

You can start the show with a

59:48

rotating cast and just do very short

59:50

games, very short campaigns. From

59:53

one episode to three, maybe sometimes

59:55

five. And do that

59:57

for a while, keep the budget extremely

59:59

low. just by an epidemic sound subscription,

1:00:02

so you don't have to pay for

1:00:04

all the sound libraries that made American

1:00:06

Express, you know, hire the

1:00:08

jackal to come kill me. Much

1:00:11

cheaper answers to that shit. You

1:00:14

know, keep it bare bones, but good. You've got the

1:00:16

time and attention. You can hire, maybe Kevin can do

1:00:19

it if he's got the bandwidth for it or what,

1:00:21

you know, all these things. Keep it

1:00:23

small. You keep costs low because you might not

1:00:25

have a lot of money, you know, at the

1:00:27

beginning, but

1:00:29

you're meeting people, you're getting your sea legs under you

1:00:31

again, getting used to it, feeling with the emotional stuff,

1:00:34

you know, just like working the kinks out, letting the

1:00:36

car backfire a few times for you to really press

1:00:38

the accelerator down. And

1:00:40

then you're meeting all these people, you're finding

1:00:42

these stories. I think you do that for

1:00:44

a few months, except for six months, and

1:00:46

that'll tell you exactly what you want to

1:00:48

do. And if it doesn't give you your

1:00:51

first full constant cast, it'll at least give

1:00:53

you one or two people that you're like,

1:00:55

I think we could do this together. And

1:00:58

I think that by, yeah, so by dipping your toes and keeping

1:01:01

it flexible and cheap, you

1:01:03

sort of let yourself experiment,

1:01:05

let yourself sort of brainstorm in public by

1:01:07

doing different shows with different people. I think

1:01:10

that would inform how it would go later

1:01:12

on. Now, as far as money goes, friends

1:01:15

will do it for free a little bit up top, especially if there's no

1:01:17

money coming in. The way I

1:01:19

like to do it, this is the way all fortunate horse

1:01:21

shows have been structured is stuff

1:01:25

like this should absolutely not be majority funded

1:01:27

by advertising, you want to go the Patreon

1:01:30

route. I

1:01:33

it's an absolute fucking no brainer.

1:01:38

The way all the forces of short shows have been

1:01:40

structured is everybody gets a

1:01:42

payout of the take the cat, the

1:01:44

constant cast, the core cast is

1:01:47

paid all on profit shares

1:01:49

from the Patreon. So

1:01:52

it takes a lot

1:01:54

of the negotiation out. I'm also a communist

1:01:57

union organizer, so it's my natural instinct

1:01:59

to be. full animal farm about it.

1:02:03

But there are huge pluses to that

1:02:05

from a production as well. I

1:02:08

mean, if you've done any Hollywood deals, you know, there's

1:02:10

plus and minus to stuff being structured like that. But

1:02:13

the big one is, it's like, people are

1:02:15

definitely more okay not getting stuff up front because

1:02:17

you're not making any money on the show. Also,

1:02:19

you're only asking them to sit in a chair

1:02:21

and improvising character for a couple of hours. That's

1:02:24

not that bad. You know, there's no hair and

1:02:26

makeup, they can wear whatever pants they want. And

1:02:29

I'm supposing this is like an audio project,

1:02:31

not a video. If it's video, it changes

1:02:33

everything because the production costs rockets up. I

1:02:35

can make an episode of audio action play

1:02:37

for free. You nobody can do video for

1:02:39

free. Kevin, am I right? That

1:02:42

is correct. Yes. Yeah.

1:02:45

Video just adds to everything. Yeah,

1:02:49

I mean, yeah, it depends on like

1:02:51

what people are up for. You know,

1:02:53

I think people like like video these

1:02:55

days, but you know, unless again, unless

1:02:57

it's like zoom, but zoom sucks, you

1:02:59

know, the delay and stuff, it kills

1:03:01

chemistry. So well, you can always

1:03:03

go to video later, once you start making money, you

1:03:05

can start with an audio thing. Now test your audience,

1:03:07

test your own, getting back in the game

1:03:09

with the skills tests, your friend network and

1:03:11

the performers that you want to work with, see who's actually

1:03:14

down to clown, you can experiment where

1:03:16

it's cheap, and then grow

1:03:19

your costs and grow the scope as

1:03:22

you grow your own confidence so that you're not over

1:03:24

committed to something that you're not ready for, or something

1:03:26

that you end up hating. I think

1:03:28

that's the way to go. That's the way to do it. But I think you

1:03:30

should do it. I would love to

1:03:32

hear it. No, I really appreciate

1:03:34

talking to you about this. It's really helpful. But

1:03:36

you know, you said there's I have friends, but

1:03:39

I don't I don't know that I have friends

1:03:41

like who are you thinking of like when you're

1:03:43

talking like, because I don't know, I you know,

1:03:45

there's imposter syndrome and stuff, but also like everything

1:03:48

with harmotown. I felt like, you know, those people

1:03:50

like Dan and Jeff and stuff. And I don't like

1:03:52

I don't even know if they knew who I was.

1:03:54

You know, a lot of times, you know, people end

1:03:56

up being like, Oh, no, you're great, or whatever. And

1:03:58

I think a lot of you, but then

1:04:01

a lot of those people are really busy. Like, I don't

1:04:03

know, like I had Matt Gorley on recently and he was

1:04:05

like, Oh, I think of us as friends. And I'm like,

1:04:07

you do? What the fuck? Like this is crazy. So it's

1:04:09

like, I think I kind of have a blindness there, but

1:04:11

it's like, yeah, I don't even know, like, would

1:04:14

take an email from me if that makes sense. But

1:04:16

I had the same, I have no advice because I

1:04:18

had the exact same problem. Very, very

1:04:20

similar in a lot of major ways. I

1:04:24

suppose some sort of triumvirate for Ranch Town.

1:04:27

We can rule as three. I,

1:04:30

you know, I think, I think

1:04:32

if you were to, what's

1:04:36

the what's the name of the challenge and last

1:04:38

crusade where he has to walk out on the

1:04:40

invisible bridge, the Trump

1:04:42

Lloyd bridge? Yeah. The

1:04:45

mouth of the lion or whatever. I think that

1:04:47

if you just sort of stepped off that cliff,

1:04:50

I don't think you'd fall. I think you would

1:04:52

find a lot of people that felt that way

1:04:54

that that that Matt does. I know, like, we've

1:04:56

interacted on Twitter a little bit. We've melted. We've

1:04:58

met in real life for a few minutes, once

1:05:00

or twice over 20 years,

1:05:02

15 years or whatever. It's like

1:05:04

if you had reached out to me on Twitter,

1:05:07

been like, Yes, I can do this. You know,

1:05:09

if I was, if I wasn't doing world three

1:05:11

on number, I think you you have you have

1:05:13

demonstrated talent, you got a lot of goodwill. You

1:05:16

know, look

1:05:18

at online friends who might be into this

1:05:21

sort of thing. Just like send

1:05:23

people an email, send them a text. I'm thinking

1:05:25

about this new project. Tell you what, ask people

1:05:28

for advice. Do what you're doing now with me,

1:05:30

but doing with people that are like a little

1:05:32

more closer to you and maybe have a lot

1:05:34

of friends or acquaintances in common. And

1:05:37

then ask them for advice on this sorts. I'm thinking

1:05:39

of starting this new project. And one of those questions

1:05:41

you ask them should be who do you know, who

1:05:43

would be good for this? And

1:05:46

I bet you a lot of these people, even

1:05:48

if you've never met them, if you meet them,

1:05:50

they'll they'll say, they'll it'll turn out, they they

1:05:52

know about you through reputation or they know your

1:05:54

word. And they like it.

1:05:56

I bet. All right, we'll we'll do okay, this

1:05:59

is really helpful. I really appreciate it and

1:06:01

I feel like I should pay you

1:06:03

a consulting fee because I didn't really know about it. It's

1:06:06

like a thing that you can do. I wouldn't

1:06:08

have a career without you, buddy. Come on. Yeah.

1:06:12

I like that I've helped a lot of people in

1:06:14

various ways. It's really nice.

1:06:17

I feel very miserable, but

1:06:19

it makes me feel better. A lot of people got

1:06:22

a lot out of it. We

1:06:25

sometimes do a segment on a show

1:06:27

called What's Kevin's Deal? Before

1:06:30

the show, you actually expressed interest in Kevin's

1:06:33

whole setup. Instead of our typical What's Kevin's

1:06:35

Deal, do you want to maybe just rap

1:06:37

with Kevin until our time runs out? We

1:06:39

can go maybe a little bit past the

1:06:41

timer, but just talk to him about it.

1:06:45

I've never rapped live before, but

1:06:47

what could go wrong? Okay,

1:06:50

Kevin. I just beat the

1:06:52

beat and beat myself. Yeah,

1:06:54

no. But yeah, I don't

1:06:57

know because Kevin's built a really impressive thing. Everyone

1:06:59

watching this right now is like doing something

1:07:01

that shouldn't be possible, but Kevin's done it.

1:07:04

Yes, Kevin. Okay. I used to host live

1:07:06

streams, but I didn't host them. I paid

1:07:08

Vimeo to host them. Then

1:07:10

Vimeo sent me an email and they said,

1:07:13

if you don't pay us $5,000, I was already paying

1:07:16

them $2,000 a year. If you

1:07:18

don't pay us $5,000 a month, we're deleting everything.

1:07:22

That was a protection racket for

1:07:24

$5,000 a month. So

1:07:26

I got out of there, tried to look for a video

1:07:28

hosting spot, couldn't find anything that made any sense at all.

1:07:31

You built your own. How

1:07:34

do I do that? Well, it

1:07:37

helps if you already own a web hosting company like

1:07:39

I do. God, it's not Vimeo, is it?

1:07:42

No, no, no. It's sort of just like

1:07:45

weaves under the radar of what we're doing for other

1:07:47

companies that pay us a lot of money. But

1:07:51

it's one of the reasons why we're able to do

1:07:54

things like all of Shrob Home Video, where we're a

1:07:56

little bit looser with copyright and things like that, because

1:07:58

all of this is, you know, with the exception

1:08:00

of that happens for the most part, you either

1:08:02

watch it live or you've missed it. So

1:08:05

that lets us get away with a lot of

1:08:07

things that you couldn't probably do in other places,

1:08:09

you know, like we the very first night we

1:08:11

tried this back during the height of COVID back

1:08:13

in 2020. We lasted about five

1:08:15

minutes on YouTube before they shut us down. I mean, literally,

1:08:17

like we didn't get five minutes into the show before we

1:08:19

got cut off. And so that

1:08:21

was my okay, I need to do this myself then.

1:08:23

So first, I use

1:08:26

my existing streaming servers and I ended up writing

1:08:28

my own streaming server to handle kind of some

1:08:30

of the challenges we have here and things like that. So

1:08:32

yeah, handles, you know, many, many

1:08:35

10s of 1000s of people watching

1:08:37

live every Sunday night. What,

1:08:40

how do you get that bandwidth? Right? Because

1:08:42

even if you have like, FiOS, that's that

1:08:44

pipe stop big enough. Like what

1:08:47

language do you say into a phone to

1:08:49

get someone to like bring the giant, like

1:08:51

the, you know, the big water main

1:08:53

sized unit to your house? Yeah,

1:08:56

you need so I would not do it to your

1:08:59

house, I would do it to a data center where

1:09:01

it's a lot cheaper. Because there

1:09:03

it's literally just running a five rocket line from one

1:09:05

part of the room to another part of the room

1:09:07

to hook you up, where bringing

1:09:09

it to your house is very expensive. I

1:09:12

have done that too. But

1:09:16

I would not suggest that for the average

1:09:18

person doesn't have connections into the total industry.

1:09:22

But yeah, you want to get servers at a data

1:09:24

center where you can get bandwidth incredibly cheaply. And

1:09:27

that's kind of what we did here so that we can handle this

1:09:29

many people all tuning in at the same time. God

1:09:32

bless you. Yeah,

1:09:35

it's a hard problem. The average person, they

1:09:37

watch so much video, they do not understand

1:09:39

how complicated and hard it

1:09:41

is to push that video out. Yeah,

1:09:44

that's the thing, man. Like, you know, obviously, we

1:09:46

were on see so and see so sucked and

1:09:48

everything and people would be like, Oh, the see

1:09:50

so apps bad. But it's like, I don't think

1:09:52

you understand like people, they watch Netflix and they

1:09:54

watch YouTube. And they think like, this is easy.

1:09:57

And it's like, no, they like, it was

1:09:59

so hard. Netflix was not good.

1:10:01

YouTube was not good. It took

1:10:03

them like decades to even get

1:10:05

the pipeline to get this thing

1:10:07

that you're taking for granted. It's

1:10:09

really hard to deliver video on

1:10:12

that level consistently and stuff, which whatever. You

1:10:14

know, the app's bad. Yahoo's screen was bad.

1:10:16

But it just doesn't matter to the consumer.

1:10:18

They don't think about it like that. But

1:10:20

man, it's a miracle. All this stuff's a

1:10:22

fucking miracle. The fact that we can even

1:10:24

stream at all is crazy. But

1:10:26

we did and we're done. But that's

1:10:29

our show, everybody. Thank you so much.

1:10:31

Taylor, do you have anything to plug? Yeah,

1:10:34

listen to Worlds Beyond Number. It's a

1:10:36

great podcast. Yeah, it's

1:10:38

awesome. It's a lot of fun. And

1:10:41

yeah, so OK. Oh,

1:10:44

and please put pressure on your politicians

1:10:46

to stop the horrible ethnic

1:10:48

cleansing that is happening. Yes, yes.

1:10:51

We didn't even talk about it. Do

1:10:53

we want to? We hit global warming. Yeah,

1:10:56

no. I

1:10:59

talked about it and one

1:11:01

person got mad. But hey, that's a

1:11:03

good ratio. But yeah, so

1:11:05

do you know the Patreon for Worlds Beyond

1:11:07

Number, their Patreon link? Baby,

1:11:09

you just Google whatever you want to find,

1:11:11

and I am there. I

1:11:14

got you, yeah. I got a Patreon,

1:11:16

too. Don't go to it. Go to Worlds Beyond

1:11:18

Number. But patreon.com/the six letter if you want to

1:11:21

give me money for basically nothing at this point,

1:11:23

sorry. But hey, maybe something else in the future.

1:11:26

But yeah, that's that. Kevin, you got

1:11:28

anything to plug? Just

1:11:30

watch shroblemvideo.com every Sunday night, eat up some

1:11:33

of my bandwidth, and watch us live. Eat

1:11:36

them out of house and home.

1:11:39

There's not like a telco. Anyway,

1:11:42

we like to end the show the same way we

1:11:44

do every week. So until next time, bye.