0:00

I got to start secretly recording Keith when he doesn't

0:02

think the microphone is on. That's a terrible idea. Yeah,

0:04

that was good. So I enjoyed you listening to all

0:06

the actresses you would have sex with. That's

0:09

not what happened. All

0:12

right. Hey you and welcome. My name

0:14

is Mike and I'm once again joined

0:16

by Keith for another episode. Other

0:20

than that, oh man, you guys don't want to know what we

0:22

were talking about before I pressed record. It was very innocent. Was

0:24

it? Yeah.

0:26

So as you can tell, as you can

0:28

tell by his dirty, despicable thoughts being

0:30

recorded forever. There out for all. Joining

0:33

in by Keith. Hello. Hello. Hello, Keith. How

0:36

are you today? What's going on? Great. Yeah,

0:38

excited to be here. Excited to be back

0:40

at it again. New year, new podcast. You

0:42

are brimming with excitement. I can see it

0:44

in your eyes. You came here, sparkles, sparkles

0:46

in your eyes. You skipped in the door.

0:48

You brought that podcast glow. Yeah, exactly. Ready

0:51

for the pod glow. So

0:53

what's going on? You know what Keith? What's

0:56

going on in your life? And let's, let's talk

0:58

here. So, you know, uh, you record a podcast, you

1:00

have a regular job that you got, you're doing the

1:02

family life. You got it. You got a wife and

1:04

a kid, you know, doing your thing, working

1:06

your job. And then you come over to old

1:08

Mike in the evening and we have our, we have

1:11

our little podcast. We have our little podcast session. Um,

1:13

we shoot the shift. We do have a couple of

1:16

beers every now and again, but still do the dry,

1:18

dry January. I'm

1:20

drinking a, um, a delicious can of

1:22

diet. Coca-Cola. I'm trying to watch my

1:24

figure. Uh, hey, listen,

1:27

I'm Turdie tree now, you know, you gotta watch those

1:29

cows. You know

1:31

what I'm saying? You gotta gotta keep it tight. Keep

1:35

it tight for the fans. Yeah, exactly. That's

1:37

it. Yeah. Yeah. You're not drinking either

1:39

in solidarity. You are. Yeah. I know

1:41

Keith texted me. He was like pints

1:43

smiley face. I said, alas. Nope.

1:45

No, no, not tonight. Kind of Carlsberg. No Carlsberg

1:48

for Keith. I know. Yeah. You're drinking a, probably

1:50

the best beer in the world. No,

1:52

it's awful. I hate Carlsberg. Yeah, I do. I really

1:54

don't like it. I read it. I, I think it's

1:56

just, it tastes like shit. I liked the price. For

1:59

some reason. cheapest. What

2:01

do you mean for some reason it's cheap? You're only drinking

2:03

it because it's the cheapest. I always go with cubes on

2:05

the cheap. No, you're cheap fast. I

2:09

like to spend my money elsewhere. You're actually not really a

2:11

man who buys things very often. You're not a very

2:14

materialistic person I would say. No, I'm

2:16

really not. I don't wear it by my

2:18

money. The bank. I put it in the bank. That's

2:20

probably the most exciting thing I do. There you go. I

2:23

love saving. Yeah? There you go. Great little saver. Just looking

2:25

at how much money we have to take. We're on

2:27

the way for a rainy day. Exactly. So what's been going

2:29

on? What's going on with you?

2:31

Any stories? Any mad stories for the fans?

2:33

They all want to... Oh, by the way,

2:36

I don't know if I should say this on the podcast because

2:38

it's kind of a spoiler. But on the

2:40

subreddit, the dot chapter subreddit or

2:42

slash chapter, someone posted... Somebody found

2:45

your Instagram. Did they? Yeah. How?

2:48

I have no idea. From frickin'

2:50

weirdos out there. Some sleuth. Yeah,

2:53

they posted it. Yeah, honestly,

2:55

fair play to you. But yeah, they did. They

2:57

were like, is this Keith? And it was your

2:59

Instagram. Oh, so it is. Okay, yeah. I don't

3:02

follow you. You found me. So they

3:04

did. I don't follow you on Instagram specifically because I'm

3:06

like, yeah, okay. If I follow you, you can go

3:08

to who I'm following. Right, yeah. And they'll be able

3:10

to follow. I don't know how they found you. Yeah.

3:14

But then they found pictures of

3:16

you and it was a picture

3:18

of you, a picture of which is how I describe

3:20

you. A picture of a cat. Oh, yeah. Black cat.

3:22

And then... We've decided... I

3:24

don't say that. We've decided with Salem. Yeah.

3:26

And I really want the Philip, but... I

3:29

like Black Philip. I think that's great. Me too. But my

3:31

daughter's stuck on Salem. That's fair. So it's like, okay. Yeah.

3:34

We compromised and we went... She can win this

3:36

round. I actually want to bring

3:38

it up because it's kind of funny. So

3:40

this is for the Redditors out there. Okay, where

3:43

is it? Have I

3:45

found the majestic Keith? Is what somebody

3:47

posted here. All right, here you go.

3:50

See? That's you.

3:52

Hey. Well done. Congrats

3:55

to E-A-M. E-I-M. They did. That was...

4:00

You are correct. Obviously with the comments that we see with the comments

4:02

I need actually start being a bit more active on

4:04

what Instagram because I got us Yeah, I should

4:07

probably get it and then I haven't really done

4:09

much honest. Yeah. No, you're in post in Instagram

4:11

anyway So for those who are right there who

4:13

want to follow them? I mean don't fucking I

4:21

don't even know. I don't know why you didn't put your Instagram on

4:23

private. Anyway, it's like almost like you wanted to be found Did

4:26

you even check your Instagram does anybody start following

4:29

you? I actually didn't even think I said I

4:31

said I said probably should upon private and didn't

4:33

think about it Probably should okay. So here's what

4:35

it says So it says how I found a majestic

4:37

Keith and a picture of your Instagram and then picture

4:39

of who you follow And one of them is me

4:41

and then says greetings all after weeks

4:44

and weeks of every session debate. I

4:47

Believe my partner. Okay, so it wasn't this person

4:49

their partner May have located

4:51

the face of the wild mysterious and

4:53

majestic Guys

4:56

if only you knew I

4:58

hear your back from big dog. Where's my logic? No one's

5:00

ever used those words to describe you Here's

5:04

the first on the podcast It's mentioned that Keith

5:06

has recently made an Instagram and his face is

5:08

in their profile pic and he has no posts

5:10

at the time The second point is this bearded

5:13

beauty Is

5:16

following that chapter and then surely then says

5:18

surely this must be the one the one

5:20

is capitalized There you

5:22

go I

5:25

do but I do have a picture of the cat

5:27

up there as well. So and then the top rated

5:29

comment is by Marty 61

5:31

says perhaps nice investigating or as Mike would say

5:34

look at you. Hey, look at you. Yeah

5:37

One person did say actually in your in

5:39

your in your I don't know if you'd

5:41

say this defense I don't think this defense. I

5:44

think fucking put you up everywhere It

5:46

says I think if you wanted his face shown

5:48

he would have given Mike permission to show it

5:50

Please don't take offense, but this seems like overstepping

5:53

to me. That's a by one person. What do

5:55

you think of that? I don't care Keith doesn't

5:57

give a shit post his face everywhere. And yes,

5:59

somebody actually said There's a black cat in his

6:01

yard on the podcast you mentioned

6:03

it father Greery Rasputin. That's your own

6:05

first in college. Yeah And

6:10

of course even Guinness in your thing and you always talk

6:12

about Guinness that was the Christmas Guinness when we were drinking

6:18

Literally there's three pictures on one is the Guinness one is the black

6:21

cat and one is you We

6:23

long hair into twos as I know I kind of put it

6:25

those three photos like that's it. I thought I got man Oh,

6:28

well, there you go. There you go

6:30

folks Here

6:38

is the teeth has been added

6:40

he's out of the

6:42

out of the non-identified closet All

6:46

right, okay before you get into this I wonder

6:48

you know another complaint down here, but I'm

6:51

just fucking talking I think I actually

6:53

feel like the fact that I'm not drinking is making

6:55

me more to the chest more

6:57

Shitty-chaddy more fucking scatterbrained You

7:00

know a common complaint I see about

7:02

podcasts is that people the podcaster hosts

7:04

don't get into it A lot of

7:07

people want okay. This podcast is about

7:09

XYZ. Mm-hmm begin Yes, start talking

7:11

and you know, we take a very different attitude

7:13

and that's after podcast to shoot shit We do

7:15

like to shoot shit, you know, we like to

7:17

we're not just you know, your your your narrators,

7:20

you know We were your buddies, you know, but

7:22

we're shooting to shit with creative vibe of we're

7:25

in the pub chatting away And

7:27

you're there listening. Also, I feel

7:29

it gets me into it easier as well Yeah, instead

7:31

of just kind of because sometimes I arrive here. I

7:33

was like, hey, let's let's get into it. Let me

7:35

sit down It's very hard kind of just start Ron.

7:37

Oh, I need I need to I need to warn

7:39

you know, I need to warm up the cannon That's

7:41

it. That's you know. All right. There you go.

7:43

That killed about nine minutes All

7:46

right. Hey you and welcome. My name is Mike

7:48

and in this old one we're going back

7:50

there under my For

7:53

a pair of mysteries today's story is

7:55

actually been two kind of sort of

7:57

mysteries. I guess you could say would

8:00

say salt. Yeah, sort of half salt I'd say.

8:03

Well, very well put. Well,

8:05

look at it working into us. Very good. And

8:07

these stories have confounded investigators throughout the

8:10

last century and maybe, just maybe, they'll

8:12

confound you too. So let's get into

8:14

it. We have two stories today. Both

8:16

are linked by Australia. So you know

8:18

what I mean? Put into your mind

8:21

koalas, kangaroos, didgeridoos, other funny words. I

8:23

like what's up. There you go. Would

8:25

you like to go to Australia? Yeah,

8:27

I'd love to go to Australia. I've

8:30

always wanted to go. The

8:32

videos of the giant spiders are enough

8:34

to put me off and make

8:36

me fucking not want to go. But I would love to

8:38

go. It looks like a beautiful country. I like

8:41

it. The people seem pretty, pretty badass. They're

8:43

all hot as well. Do you know how

8:45

strange they're like sexy people?

8:47

Yeah, well, yeah, they're all descendants

8:49

of criminals. So literally it's only

8:52

the strong survive. So I think

8:54

that's probably why they're just like, they're like genetically bred

8:56

to be like just like tall, strong. Also

8:58

when you're just looking around where we live,

9:00

a bunch of sport heads. Yeah,

9:02

I know. I know. We're just like, yeah, I know. Anything.

9:08

I know. It's a low bar. Yeah, I always

9:10

say all the good looking art people were taken

9:12

away by the Vikings. That's why the Norwegians are

9:14

also good. Hot looking. They stole all our hot

9:16

people a thousand years ago. Left all the ogos.

9:19

No, you can say. You're not welcome on the

9:21

boat. No, there's some room over there. No, no,

9:23

no. You

9:26

can say here, we're not going to destroy your

9:29

den. You're fine. So

9:32

our story begins on August 11th

9:34

1994 when a man named Mark

9:37

Macfay-de-sun and his small crew

9:39

were at a spot fishing on the

9:41

Hawkesbury River just north of Sydney. Hawkesbury

9:46

River, by the way, real big. Stranded by jungle

9:48

on all sides. And it looks pretty cool. There's

9:51

some pictures and videos of Hawkesbury River. It looks

9:53

like a jungle river, kind of

9:55

like straight out of a video game. If you want to put

9:57

it that way. And I just said he

9:59

was excited. to pull in a hull much

10:01

heavier than usual. Mark

10:03

had no idea he was about to

10:05

open the lid on a mystery that

10:08

would bamboozle Australia for decades.

10:11

Expecting to either see a net bulging with

10:13

fish, trash or maybe even a giant squid

10:15

or a shark. Mark got none of

10:17

the above. Maybe it was the

10:19

hawksbury river monster. One of Australia's strangest

10:21

cryptids. Well this is how

10:23

it goes. Good intern folks. Tell

10:26

me more. It supposedly has two sets

10:28

of flippers, a lengthy snake-like

10:30

neck and four arses. No

10:34

that last part's a joke. It basically looks like the

10:36

Loch Ness Monster. Oh cool. Yeah

10:38

supposedly but there's Aboriginal rock art

10:40

between like 3 and 4 thousand

10:42

years old in the area that

10:44

describes creatures. Yeah who knows. Honestly

10:47

though if a new cryptid is actually going to be

10:49

found my money is for it to be found in

10:51

Australia. Well yeah they have some mad creatures out there.

10:53

All the weirdest creatures. They're going to find

10:55

something fucking bizarre out there. Something shouldn't be

10:57

alive. But somehow it is. That's very true.

10:59

Keith, he once again with your random fact

11:01

you knocked it out of the park. So

11:05

no Mark Peterson did not pull up the

11:07

hawksbury river monster. I

11:10

bet he wish he did. I bet he wish he

11:13

did too. I'm sure he fucking wishes he did. Because

11:15

but what he did pulled it out. It took him

11:17

a few moments to figure out what

11:19

exactly he was looking at. It was

11:21

a mix of hard right angles and

11:23

squishy pale clumps. Then it

11:26

hit him. What Mark was

11:28

looking at, what they had just pulled out

11:30

of the river was a large metal

11:33

crucifix. Not a cross, a crucifix. It's

11:35

actually a fun fact. I did not

11:37

know this. But it's not a

11:39

crucifix unless it comes with a person attached. So

11:42

it's a cross with that person. It's a crucifix with the

11:44

person. Most commonly Jesus. But in this case

11:46

it wasn't Jesus. It was someone else. Right okay.

11:49

So the crude rusted structure

11:51

was the unmistakable shape of

11:53

a human body. Mostly

11:56

wrapped in black plastic. It

11:58

was pale, bloated, fried. from substantial

12:00

time underwater and badly decomposed, but

12:03

it was certainly a real human

12:05

body. What Mark could make

12:07

out was the sight of a long,

12:09

thick bone sticking out of the mess

12:12

of plastic and seascum. This

12:14

crucifix structure had been welded into

12:16

a torture device. Dude, that's stuff

12:18

of nightmares isn't it? Grim.

12:21

Peterson, once he calmed down, called

12:23

the police, and crime scene investigators

12:25

and forensics came to study this

12:27

gruesome find. Once they'd

12:29

managed to confirm the remains were

12:31

100% human, the body and

12:33

the crucifix were passed on to pathologist

12:36

Dr. Christopher Lawrence. Lawrence

12:38

removed the black plastic wrapping, stripping

12:41

away large chunks of hair and

12:43

fatty tissue as he went. The

12:46

corpse had been secured to the

12:48

structure with orange rope and twisted

12:50

metal wire. The only items

12:52

in this John Doe's pockets were an

12:54

open packet of cigarettes and a lighter,

12:56

neither of which were any use in

12:58

identifying who he was. Lawrence's

13:01

investigation revealed several key details

13:03

about the victim. It

13:05

was a man, I think they

13:07

call him Blokes in Australia. Blokes

13:09

and Sheila. Blokes and Sheila, there

13:11

you go. Caucasian, likely of Mediterranean

13:14

or European descent, and had

13:16

been aged somewhere between 21 and 46 years

13:19

old. That white on age range,

13:21

that's how badly decomposed the remains

13:23

were. He also determined that the man

13:26

stood at just 5'2 or 5'4 in stature. He

13:29

was a short king and his official

13:32

cause of death was blunt force

13:34

trauma. Though critically, Lawrence couldn't

13:36

confirm whether the man had been killed

13:38

before or after, being tied to the

13:40

crucifix. The level of

13:42

decomposition meant that efforts to obtain

13:44

fingerprints were fruitless and yielded nothing

13:46

but indistinct smudges. Even

13:49

trying to get a solid DNA sample

13:51

for testing against databases was a no-go.

13:53

Any hope of a speedy resolution to the

13:56

mystery was kicked into the bin when searches

13:58

of the missing person were found. the person's

14:00

database turned up no results. It's important

14:02

to note our DNA, by the way, back at this stage,

14:04

it was in its infancy and was

14:07

only just becoming more widely used

14:09

and had recently been recognised as

14:11

legally admissible. I went down to

14:13

a bit of a rabbit hole. You did! You

14:15

did! Looking into the decomposition

14:17

of bodies, of corked water and...

14:21

Ooh! So first of all,

14:23

it's gross. Yeah, I think I've seen

14:25

some pictures online of what water

14:28

does to the human body and that you

14:31

don't want to know. It's pretty nasty. They don't

14:33

even look like bodies anymore. But

14:35

I found that forensic pathologists, they actually

14:38

made major improvements recently in the ability

14:40

to get fingerprints from even advanced, decayed

14:42

corpses. The process is called tanitopraxi, which

14:44

comes from tanitos, which is the god of death

14:46

in Greek mythology, which is kind of cool. But

14:50

it's still a fairly young discipline in

14:52

funeral homes to embalm bodies. From

14:54

a forensic point of view, their focus is

14:57

mainly on the reconstruction of the original appearance

14:59

of the bodies, which

15:01

have advanced decay. And the meta is

15:03

done by removing fluids from tissues, restoring

15:05

their original tension and volume. But

15:08

when applied to the hands, it can produce high-quality

15:10

fingerprints. But I still feel, in this case, like,

15:12

this is like years later, they kind of felt it.

15:14

I still kind of feel in this case, it was so

15:16

far gone, I don't think they're going to get anything off it.

15:18

This body was like severely decomposed. We'll get to it, but

15:21

yeah, you thought it had been in the water for a while.

15:23

So investigators' next go-to was what

15:25

little remained of the victim's clothing.

15:28

An everything Australian brand polo shirt

15:30

and medium, and a no sweat

15:33

branded sweatpants. Unfortunately, they

15:35

just happened to be some of the most

15:37

popular and generic brands sold in Australia and

15:39

didn't narrow down the search at all. Though

15:42

investigators did get some helpful information back

15:44

from a study of a metal structure.

15:47

Or to be more exact, some

15:50

tiny particles attached to the cross.

15:53

Senator Donald Anderson of the School of

15:55

Biological Sciences found that the structure and

15:57

the body had not been under the

16:00

the water for more than a year. A

16:24

cast and forensic reconstruction of the

16:26

victim's face was created, and for

16:29

a while, the man's image was

16:31

everywhere. The unidentified man

16:33

soon gained the name The Rackman, and

16:35

that's how he'd be known for over

16:37

25 years. As

16:40

is usually the case, the publicity brought in

16:42

an offer of a cash reward, and

16:45

as that usually goes, authorities got no

16:47

shortage of tips from randos, sidekicks and

16:49

just well-meaning members of the public. Despite

16:52

the reward eventually hitting 100,000 Australian

16:55

dollars, no one could offer

16:57

anything that led to a positive identification.

16:59

Did you see the reconstruction of the

17:01

face? I will now. Kind

17:04

of horrifying. But it also kind of- Oh wait, no, I

17:06

think I have. Yeah. Oh yeah, it's

17:08

very creepy. It kind of strangely looks like the drummer

17:10

from The Hill a bit as well. Keep

17:12

Moon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

17:15

think the eyebrows and hair, but yeah. Very

17:17

weird. Creepy. I mean, I think

17:19

it's just the fact that it's like a

17:21

wax face. That'll do

17:23

it. But weird. Let's

17:26

go and take a look. It's weird. The

17:28

weird thing, however, is that this was

17:31

clearly a very intentional and well-planned out

17:33

murder. Whoever had done this likely had

17:35

not acted alone. In fact, investigators were

17:37

pretty certain, right from the very beginning,

17:39

that they were looking for multiple suspects.

17:42

After all, the victim might have been slight

17:44

of bills, but it still would

17:46

have likely taken more than one person

17:49

to create the rack or the crucifix,

17:51

let alone kill the man and fix

17:53

him to the steel structure. The

17:55

weight and the size of the crucifix meant that

17:58

to have a transporter and dumped into the

18:00

river complete with a man attached, no

18:02

one person could have or would have

18:04

managed to be able to do it

18:06

themselves. Police were definitely looking

18:08

for multiple people. One really

18:11

worrying detail that might seem minor but

18:13

is considered a key detail is the

18:15

level of welding involved. You see, there

18:17

is a big difference between a hobbyist

18:20

and a pro when it comes to

18:22

welding, it's a skill that's easy to

18:24

learn, takes a long time to master.

18:27

Whoever welded the crucifix had done a pro

18:29

job on it, which kind of makes this

18:31

seem a little bit more creepy. I think

18:34

that there was someone who was a master

18:36

making this thing. I mean, if it was

18:38

like done like shittily, kind of throwing together,

18:40

trying to get a lashing it up like

18:43

last minute. Now it's like, oh no, this

18:45

is like planned out. And they purposely done.

18:47

Yeah. And they really took their time to

18:49

make this. Like that body wasn't going anywhere. The

18:51

crucifix, it was kind of measured to

18:53

size for it about like it was perfectly. Really?

18:56

Per a short guy. Yeah. And

18:58

it also included some rebar in the

19:00

middle that was kind of welded in the structure

19:03

like an L shape. Okay. So

19:05

that was to prevent the body from falling

19:07

off. So you had the flat

19:09

structure of the crucifix in the middle of this L

19:11

shape. So the body was kind of stuck.

19:13

And then it was also like it was tied down with

19:16

wire and the rope around the boat. Yeah. That

19:18

body wasn't going anywhere. Wow. And

19:20

due to it being the early 90s, of course, two of

19:22

the first early targets were A, gangs

19:25

and B. Doo doo doo

19:27

doo. See this baby. Yeah. Yeah.

19:30

The moral panic around Utes listening to the

19:32

devil's music and being inspired to get all

19:34

stabby was very rife at this time. And

19:37

gang violence had been on the rise around

19:39

the world. Once again,

19:41

the investigators and the investigation

19:43

went nowhere and detectives were left a

19:45

little more frustrated than when they had

19:48

started. The very nature of

19:50

the case with several people involved pointed

19:52

to a conspiracy. It's a goddamn fucking

19:54

conspiracy of some kind. Usually

19:57

in these cases, it's just a matter of

19:59

time until someone's. This lifts up and says

20:02

something they shouldn't, but this time no one

20:04

was talking a very bizarre and

20:06

creepy mystery. This is goddamn

20:08

Satanist welders, huh? It's

20:10

a very niche sub-genre of Satanist, but

20:13

very dangerous. Yeah, I mean, it sounds

20:15

like something Satanists would do. Yeah, yeah. Make

20:18

cool shit. I feel so. It's one that

20:20

never actually turns out to be the Satanist in the

20:22

largest cases, but there actually

20:24

was one, there was a known

20:26

case in Ireland where we had

20:28

our very own Satanic murder. With

20:31

the crucifixion and shit? Yeah, yeah.

20:33

Wow. Tell me more. What is

20:35

that? What's that? So there

20:37

was, so a seven year old boy, he

20:39

was found dead. He was lashed in crucifix

20:42

fashion to the rafters of an attic in

20:44

Dublin in 1973 out in Palmerstown, which

20:47

is near the Phoenix Park. Which is

20:49

like west of Dublin. Yes, yes. Most

20:52

people who were listening to this are probably not familiar with that familiar with

20:54

Dublin. You don't know Palmerstown?

20:56

Yeah. But beneath the hanging

20:59

body there was like an altar on which there

21:01

was a chalice and communion hosts which were laid

21:03

out. And a 16 year old

21:05

boy who was obsessed with the occult, he pleaded

21:07

guilty to the murder and he was sentenced to life in

21:09

Britain. Very interesting story. He was

21:11

just obsessed with Satan and shit, so he

21:13

killed another boy, brought him to

21:16

his attic and crucified him. Yeah, so he

21:18

was obsessed with like hiding with the occult.

21:20

He started off with like neighbours, dogs and

21:22

cats would go missing. Oh, the usual serial

21:24

killer shit? Yeah, yeah. He was just like

21:26

washing these animals and then he just leveled

21:28

up and then he brought out his, it

21:30

was one of his neighbours. His mother was

21:32

out working, so he said that he babysit.

21:35

He brought him out and killed him and then hung him

21:37

in the crucifix for him up in the rafters in his

21:39

attic. Wow. And what his parents came home and

21:41

were like, what's the name of that? Well

21:43

yeah, there was an investigation went out. Oh,

21:45

for a missing kid. For a missing kid in the garden he found it. The

21:49

police. Yeah. Holy shit. That's

21:51

why. Yeah, that's the F's to the V.

21:54

Mmm. Mad, okay. Yeah,

21:56

well, I don't think it was him who did this one,

21:58

but you never know. You never know. An

22:01

early front-runner for the identity of the

22:03

man behind the mystery was Joe Viviano.

22:07

Viviano was the right height and age

22:09

and had even been said to resemble

22:11

the facial reconstruction by several people who

22:13

knew him. Better yet, was that

22:15

Viviano had also previously been convicted of drugs-related

22:17

offenses, so he could maybe link this to

22:19

a gang. Maybe he pissed off the wrong

22:21

gang and they literally crucified him. Viviano

22:24

had been missing since being last seen

22:26

in the Drumoyne suburb of Sydney. It

22:29

was all looking good, and the police

22:31

were hopeful to clear things up by

22:34

comparing results from a forensic odontologist. By

22:37

the way, I had never heard of the term a

22:39

forensic odontologist. And a forensic odontologist,

22:41

I'm bringing out the pointer here, got a

22:43

key style. Did you know? There goes that

22:45

finger. A forensic

22:47

odontologist is the person brought in

22:50

to identify folk via dental records.

22:52

I actually would have thought it was a dentist who would do it, but no.

22:55

It's a forensic odontologist. Although maybe they're a

22:57

dentist and an odontologist in their spare time.

22:59

Maybe. Yeah, a bit of pocket change in

23:01

the weekend. Exactly, yeah, a bit of cashing

23:03

hands. Yeah. You

23:05

know? But however, the records couldn't be found

23:08

of Viviano's original black teeth. So

23:10

finally, they tested what little DNA they

23:13

had from the unidentified victim against Viviano's

23:15

and came back with a... It

23:19

was not him. And the investigation was

23:21

right back at square one. Another

23:24

strong theory in the gangland vein, the

23:26

identity of the giando, was believed it

23:28

could be in fact Christopher Dale Flannery.

23:31

Flannery had become somewhat infamously

23:34

known as Mr. Rentakill, a

23:37

nickname he certainly didn't earn by

23:39

exterminating rats. Or did

23:41

he? See, Flannery had

23:43

earned himself a reputation as an enforcer

23:45

and hitman for hire and had been

23:48

alleged to be behind several high profile

23:50

murders in Australia. Those

23:52

murders included a barrister, a lawyer,

23:54

and an undercover drug squad detective.

23:56

So pretty hardcore targets, as you

23:58

can imagine. And as

24:00

you also can probably imagine, Flannery was on a

24:03

lot of people's shit list, and it wouldn't have

24:05

been the greatest shock to have him turn up

24:07

dead. After escaping conviction on

24:09

several occasions, it seems that in May

24:12

1985, Flannery

24:14

got on the side of one

24:16

too many bad guys, and narrowly

24:18

survived an assassination attempt that also

24:20

targeted his family. That's not

24:23

something you do to a dangerous guy like

24:25

Flannery, without the intention to make sure you

24:27

get him. Flannery disappeared after

24:29

he reached out to a former

24:31

employer, and fellow top-line bad man

24:33

George Freeman. Flannery was apparently

24:35

on his way to see Freeman in

24:38

a taxi when he vanished. Whether

24:40

something happened before, after, or during

24:43

that fateful taxi trip was

24:45

never known and may never

24:47

be known, and some proposed

24:49

that the discovery of the

24:51

Rackman had finally revealed Mr.

24:53

Rentakill's final resting place. It

24:56

was a genuine and solid theory that a lot of

24:58

people sincerely expected to plan out. This guy had gone

25:00

on a lot of people's shit lists, he'd been on

25:03

a lot of gangs, a lot of stuff like that,

25:05

and something this traumatic wouldn't be that out of place.

25:08

After all, Flannery had enough enemies with considerable

25:10

means and motive to be able to have

25:12

something like this done. It would also

25:14

explain the sheer vindictive nature of the killing.

25:17

It was all looking good until Flannery's

25:19

dental records came in, or

25:22

the forensic odontologist, who said, don't

25:24

mind if I do, another job

25:26

for me folks. And, well, nope,

25:28

did not match. Dental records did not

25:30

match. The theory was done. Does the

25:33

investigation have to start all over again?

25:36

I'm not sure if it was related to gangland killing.

25:39

There definitely was a level of professionalism

25:41

with this crime, but I can't

25:43

feel with ganglands to send a message.

25:46

They're like, don't do it again. I don't know

25:48

why they would go through all this effort to

25:50

stay just in the labra scene and then also

25:52

hide the body so no one would ever find

25:54

it. You're jumping ahead. We

25:57

will come back to this. Okay. We'll come back to

25:59

this. Another promising lead seemed

26:01

to be that of 22 year old

26:03

Stephen Collin Bryant. Bryant had

26:05

visited a neighbor two days before Christmas

26:08

1993 and apparently agreed to

26:10

join his friends, James and Christine, for

26:12

Christmas dinner. Only Stephen would

26:14

never arrive. Actually, in fact, Stephen was

26:16

never seen again. Though he lived alone

26:19

and it wasn't unusual for him to

26:21

go several days without contacting anyone, the

26:23

fact that he missed the appointed Christmas

26:25

lunch had alarm bells ringing over the

26:27

jingle bells right away. But it wasn't

26:29

until Valentine's Day in 1994, over a

26:32

month later, that Stephen was actually reported

26:34

missing. The subsequent investigation found

26:36

Stephen's house in good order and it didn't

26:38

seem as though Stephen had been intending to

26:40

go away for a long time, with

26:43

clothes still in his wardrobe, food still

26:45

in his cupboard. The phone

26:47

bill and utilities were also active

26:49

up until, well, Stephen went missing.

26:52

Though he hadn't accessed his bank account since even

26:55

earlier in December 1993 on the 16th. So

26:58

how long he'd actually been missing, nobody

27:01

really knows. Police have

27:03

said that they are no closer to

27:05

the truth behind Stephen's vanishing. Nothing has

27:07

been seen or heard from and there

27:09

were hopes that the rock man would

27:11

solve the mystery. Honestly, until very recently,

27:13

Stephen was considered a strong possibility. But

27:17

the last possibility that stood

27:20

long time neck and neck

27:22

with Stephen Bryant, that the

27:24

remains belonged to Max Tanshevsky.

27:27

37 years old at the time of his

27:29

disappearance, Tanshevsky hadn't been seen since January 1993,

27:33

when he'd been seen with his then

27:35

girlfriend in Newtown, Sydney. Max,

27:38

as it turned out, was something of a

27:40

degenerate gambler and would often walk around with

27:42

large amounts of cash on him. The

27:44

last time he was seen alive, he

27:47

was carrying $1,800, having

27:49

recently withdrawn the money from his bank

27:51

accounts. Max, he had a habit of

27:53

heading off to the Gold Coast for

27:55

frequent gambling spurges and would have inevitably

27:57

rolled back sometimes with winnings, more

27:59

often than not. And that's

28:02

exactly how his partner expected this latest trip to

28:04

end, but more and more days passed and there

28:06

was no sign of Max. Like

28:09

Steven, Max was never seen again

28:11

and no one knew what happened to him. He

28:13

was known to have several deaths to various

28:16

unsavoury people, just as you'd expect a man

28:18

with a severe gambling addiction to have, so

28:20

what likely happened to you, as I said,

28:22

he didn't win or he

28:25

did win. So for the last

28:27

decade, Bryant and Tanshevsky were the candidates most likely to

28:29

have suffered the

28:37

gruesome death. After

28:39

24 years of investigation, alongside

28:41

huge advancements in DNA, the

28:44

mystery, or at least

28:46

part of the mystery, was finally

28:48

solved when samples taken at the

28:50

time of the discovery of the

28:52

remains were finally tested with modern

28:54

techniques and it turns out, one

28:56

of the police's guesses was right

28:58

the entire time. In August 2018, Deputy

29:02

State Coroner for New South Wales,

29:04

Paul McMahon, officially ruled that the

29:06

remains belonged to none other than

29:09

Max Tanshevsky. That's where

29:11

the story ends, for now at

29:13

least. There is little else publicly

29:15

known about Tanshevsky. The most

29:18

common theory is the obvious one, that he

29:20

got himself into debt with the wrong people

29:22

and they decided to make an example out

29:24

of him to dissuade anyone else from doing

29:27

the very same, but as

29:29

you just mentioned, my dear friend, the obvious

29:31

problem with that theory is that, well, there's

29:33

a couple. One is that

29:35

numerous people would have known about

29:38

this, about what had happened to Max

29:40

and nobody ever said anything.

29:43

Also, as you said, if it was gang

29:45

related, he owed the money and a gang

29:47

wanted to make an example out of him,

29:49

a horrific death and then kept a secret.

29:51

Yes, yes, crease makes, yes,

29:53

and the river where nobody would find it, you put

29:56

that up in the fucking center of Tans. Like

29:58

Mexican cartel chopping heads off and

30:00

hanging them on light posts. Yeah, they video put it

30:02

online. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is like, we'll

30:05

kill you in a gruesome, horrible way to make an

30:07

example out of you until no one will be dead.

30:09

Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This

30:12

sounds more like the work of like, I don't know,

30:14

just some sick son of a bitch who did this

30:16

for his own personal pleasure. Because I mean, it doesn't

30:18

seem like it was for the masses. That's what I

30:21

thought as well. But then also, there is a point

30:23

of there's so much to it to produce one person.

30:26

So like, you're like a syndicate of serial killers, you know?

30:28

I mean, I think it is possible. OK,

30:30

it could technically be one person with

30:32

great efforts. Yes, yeah. You know, if

30:34

they were planning this for a long

30:36

time, someone who really wanted, like this

30:38

was something super personal, really wanted to

30:41

hurt Max Tanchovsky. Max, I don't know,

30:43

did something to him, did something to somebody he loved,

30:45

who knows? Again, not a lot

30:47

is really known about Max. So maybe he

30:49

was a real piece of shit who yada,

30:51

yada, yada. This is like that law abiding

30:53

citizen movie with your man, Traded. Traded Bullard.

30:55

Yeah. And like, you know, maybe it's like

30:57

one of those things he planned it out

30:59

for months, building the thing. Could have just

31:01

been in the wrong place around then. Or

31:04

maybe somebody was just testing it out, you

31:06

know? Was using it as an old

31:08

guinea pig. He knows. With very

31:10

little currently being known about his

31:12

life before his remains are found

31:14

in the Hawkesbury River, suspects are

31:16

non-existent. Maybe one day there will

31:19

be a breakthrough, and we'll have a why

31:21

to add to the who. Yeah,

31:24

when it was announced that the mystery had

31:27

been solved after 24 years, they

31:29

didn't receive the fanfare that they talked it with from the

31:31

public. They were like having balloons and

31:33

fireworks. Hey, everybody, look at this. You guys did

31:35

it. But it was like, but who

31:38

did it? It was like, oh, I don't know. Exactly. I

31:40

don't know. I just had like one of the theories if it

31:42

is part of a gang, maybe some will flip. We'll find

31:45

out at some point. But yeah, I

31:47

don't know if there's any reason to celebrate just yet.

31:49

Yeah. It's a wild one. It is a wild one,

31:51

yeah. It's terrifying. And now let's move

31:54

on to story number two we have

31:56

today. This is like this little mini

31:58

episode we're doing here. two

32:00

little ones there instead of our usual one big one

32:02

next episode will be one big one But now we're

32:04

talking about two little ones and part

32:06

two of this episode is the pajama

32:08

girl Mystery this

32:11

one. It's again a mystery

32:13

kind of sorta. Yeah mystery

32:17

Let's get into it. So for our

32:19

second Aussie mystery We're staying in New

32:22

South Wales and once more we begin

32:24

with a discovery that likely changed the

32:26

lives of everyone involved Though this one

32:28

is a good bit old See

32:31

on September 1st 1934

32:34

a young farmer named Tom Griffith was

32:36

walking along how long road which a

32:38

quiet country road Think middle of nowhere.

32:40

It's barely murdered in a dirt road

32:42

fields on either side It's three and

32:45

a half hours north of Melbourne and

32:47

he was accompanied by his family's newly

32:49

acquired bull well as

32:51

he was walking along this road on a

32:54

quiet sunny morning the sight of a hessian

32:56

bag a burlap sack Sticking out

32:58

of a culvert by the side of the road caught

33:00

his eye I'm sure those of

33:02

you who watched or listened to another that chapter

33:04

know by now that nothing good ever Comes

33:07

from looking in a bag you'll find abandoned even

33:09

in previous episodes of the podcast. We've talked about

33:11

bags No, there's no good folks.

33:13

Don't touch bags But

33:16

every simple fanboy wasn't so jaded and

33:18

he was like what's that in? He

33:21

went over had a go inside whatever

33:23

he expected to find maybe candy hmm

33:25

Well that thought was punted out of

33:28

his mind when he came face to

33:30

face with a young woman staring right

33:32

back at him all

33:34

around the horrific finding the air was

33:37

thick with the smell of kerosene and

33:39

singed hair a Witness local

33:41

to the area reported that they had seen

33:43

a fire in the area on the 29th

33:46

of August two days before It's

33:48

a rural area and with the body being found on September

33:50

1st at around 9 a.m It's

33:52

likely the fire to witness saw was indeed

33:55

the bag and body still alight luckily

33:57

for investigators a strong pouring

34:00

of rain that evening saved

34:02

the body from being completely

34:04

obliterated. The body was

34:07

taken to the medical examiner and,

34:09

well, examined. It was

34:11

quickly apparent that the woman had

34:13

suffered horrifically prior to ending up

34:15

where she was found. After

34:17

removing a towel that had been wrapped

34:20

around the woman's head, the

34:22

examiner found that her

34:24

skull had been almost caved in. The

34:27

only small mercy being that she was dead

34:29

before she had been set on fire. The

34:32

medical examiner also found a small caliber

34:34

bullet, likely at 22, lodged

34:36

in the woman's throat. Regardless,

34:38

he determined that it probably wasn't a

34:40

fatal shot and it wasn't

34:43

his opinion that the sustained and

34:45

vicious beating was what actually killed

34:47

her. Police put it

34:49

out that they had an unidentified woman, slim,

34:51

aged between 20 and 30 with brown hair.

34:56

The most uniquely identifying thing about the

34:59

woman was her clothes. She

35:01

appeared to be wearing yellow

35:03

silk, Chinese-style pajamas with red

35:05

detailing. Though owing to the

35:08

fire that had ravaged her body, not

35:10

much remained. One thing

35:12

that was obvious was that the

35:15

woman had been killed somewhere else

35:17

before her body

35:36

was dumped and set on fire. So

35:38

not only did investigators not have

35:41

a motive suspect victim ID, they

35:44

didn't even have the scene of the murder. What

35:46

the police decided to do was rather

35:48

interesting. Fair

35:51

play to you. They

35:53

came up with a very interesting idea to try

35:55

and get attention to identify this woman and hopefully

35:57

solve her brutal murder. decided

36:00

to make the corpse into an attraction. Genuinely.

36:04

This was well before the advent of

36:06

DNA and modern forensics, so the police

36:08

knew that the best shot they had

36:10

at identifying the woman was simply

36:13

to have someone come forward who recognised her and

36:15

could tell them. So, rather

36:19

than just taking a picture and putting it in a newspaper,

36:22

they refused to allow the body to

36:25

be buried and instead they

36:27

preserved the body by freezing

36:29

it solid and having

36:31

it put on display at

36:33

Sydney University's medical school. Again,

36:36

why not just take pictures of her face,

36:38

put it in all the newspapers, rather than

36:40

g'day, have a look at that, right?

36:43

It's a body, it's a frozen body,

36:45

you don't believe it's mine? And I know it, like they kind

36:47

of struggle to keep her feet and bones as well. Yeah. Like,

36:50

as I said, just take a photograph. Yeah,

36:52

I mean, do they get a lot of

36:54

tourists and, you know, fucking rubberneckers at the

36:56

Sydney University's medical school? Like, is it just

36:58

anybody can just walk in? Sure

37:00

they did after this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

37:03

Although it seemed like a totally crackpot

37:05

and unnecessarily macabre thing to do, it

37:07

actually kind of worked. Some

37:10

time after the body had become a

37:12

bit of a tourist destination, out of

37:14

the blue, police got a call telling

37:16

them what they believed the name of

37:18

the corpse to be. Florence

37:20

Linda Augustine, known as

37:23

Linda. That name would

37:25

come up again and again throughout the investigation.

37:28

When it was first raised, the name

37:30

meant little, but soon more

37:33

and more people recognized the body

37:35

as being Linda Augustine. Authorities

37:37

pulled her dental records and

37:40

to their shock, they

37:42

didn't match. They were similar,

37:44

but Linda had too fewer fillings than

37:46

this Jane Doe and so Linda Augustine

37:48

was soon ruled out even though people

37:50

kept coming forward saying that's Linda. The

37:53

weeks and the months that followed, images of

37:56

the body did appear in newspapers which was

37:58

now always preceded by pajama girls. That's

38:00

what she was known as now, the pajama girl. You got

38:02

the rack man and the pajama girl. Many

38:04

of the articles involved fantastical speculation,

38:06

seemingly based solely on the fact

38:08

that the woman had been wearing

38:10

exotic Chinese-style pajamas. This led to

38:12

a whole, oh, mystery, asked me

38:14

some kind of, you know, spy

38:16

novel. Mm. The horrific

38:19

tragedy even became somewhat of a cautionary tale

38:21

with the usual, you know, conservative speculation that

38:23

she'd suffered the fate of a loose woman

38:25

and that, you know, this is what, what

38:27

else did she expect what happened? All that,

38:29

that kind of shit. Well, you're saying she's

38:31

a loose woman because she's wearing pajamas? Yeah,

38:34

exactly. Is that because of these exotic

38:36

pajamas? Probably, I guess. I don't know.

38:38

I don't know. As soon as any

38:41

woman dies, it's spicked and blaming, usual

38:43

shit. On the other side

38:45

though, an equal amount of press was based on

38:47

the woman's exotic beauty. The photos given

38:49

to the newspapers were doctored to

38:51

make the girl appear more alive. They wanted,

38:54

she was a real head turner, I guess.

38:57

So there you go. I still find them mad

38:59

that they were freezing the body and just blame

39:01

us. Yeah. And this is, it's not the only

39:03

time in history that they used to do that.

39:06

So in 19th century Paris,

39:08

the morgue had become one of the

39:10

city's most popular tourist attractions. In fact,

39:12

by the end of the 19th century,

39:14

the morgue attracted so many visitors that

39:16

nearly every Paris guidebook meant it. Originally,

39:19

the morgue, like it served as, it

39:22

served the purpose of allowing friends and

39:24

family to identify unidentified bodies, but very

39:26

few visitors actually arrived with the intention

39:28

of searching for a missing person. The

39:31

morgue grew some more mysterious, the cause

39:33

of death, the greater number

39:35

of tourists came to view this person's body.

39:38

One history professor wrote, the morgue served

39:41

as a visual auxiliary to the newspaper,

39:43

staging the recently dead who had been

39:45

sensationally detailed by the printed world. Whenever

39:48

the newspaper is reported on an unknown decapitated

39:50

person or a bloody trunk on display, tens

39:52

of thousands of people would flock to the

39:54

morgue to see it. It really was nothing

39:57

to do back then. That you re- yeah.

39:59

Yeah. I've seen drawings of

40:01

what the morgue looked like and it was

40:04

kind of like a museum of corpses. So

40:06

they had the exhibition room which held up

40:08

to about 50 visitors at a time. Two

40:11

rows of corpses they lay on rock slabs

40:13

behind. How many bodies did they have? Like

40:16

10? I'm

40:18

not sure many bodies they held at the time. But

40:20

yeah, they'd hold a good few bodies. There were two

40:22

rows of them. Right, okay. And

40:24

then the clothing worn by the deceased was

40:27

hung alongside them. And then there was cold

40:29

water from the ceiling dripping

40:31

down on the bodies and trying to

40:33

slow down decomposition. That is so fucking

40:35

dark. It's really dark, yeah. It means

40:37

fascinating. People really saw

40:40

this as a type of entertainment. In

40:42

1886 a four-year-old girl was found dead with

40:44

a single mysterious bruise on her hand. And

40:46

after seeing it in the newspaper, readers rushed

40:48

to see the body of the girl who

40:50

was posed in a tiny dress behind the

40:52

glass and the morgue. And over the course

40:54

of a few days, over 150,000 people

40:58

had visited the morgue just to catch

41:00

a glimpse. You have a dead girl.

41:02

That is so... It's messed up. And

41:05

if visitors, if they were lucky, they could

41:07

also potentially witness a criminal investigation for

41:10

a time. So law enforcement,

41:12

they frequently brought individuals suspected of

41:14

murder to the morgue hoping that

41:16

confronting the victim's bodies was illicit

41:19

confession by shocking the suspects with

41:21

the reality of their actions. They

41:25

were like, what are you doing? They

41:27

were like, what are you doing? They

41:29

did it. They did it. They

41:31

were like, what are you doing? But

41:33

it was like some sort of macabre

41:36

theater, which apparently has still been used

41:38

today with the pajama girl putting her on display,

41:40

freezing her. Yeah. Mad. That's

41:43

interesting. Man, that's so dark. That just makes

41:45

me think of like, it's so gothic. It's

41:48

gothic as fuck. Yeah, it's such like dark

41:50

tourism. Yeah, real dark tourism. Yeah, I imagine

41:53

people with the 1800s with their old fancy

41:55

clothes on and just like very dark cave

41:57

area looking at dead bodies. weekend

42:00

like so as I said there was something to do and

42:02

yeah like there was some visitors that would go when like

42:04

it might be a slow week in the morning they'd get

42:06

pissed off if there was nobody there yeah

42:09

so it kind of makes the Paris catacombs all

42:11

the skulls and shit they have then they're like

42:13

along the walls and they're obsessed with death and

42:15

I was like yeah this is real morbid yeah

42:18

so slowly but surely the Agassini

42:20

line of inquiry faded away and

42:22

was ruled out the investigation

42:24

faded into the background as life went

42:27

on and the tragedy the

42:29

tragedy of the pajama girl became a

42:31

spooky story told among locals in

42:33

spite of their best efforts even preserving

42:35

the body in formaldehyde and a zinc

42:37

bathtub for a more permanent display no

42:40

more names were popping up one

42:43

Hail Mary was to track every

42:45

single woman aged under 40 years

42:47

old that had failed to vote

42:49

in the elections following the discovery

42:51

of the body but even this

42:53

dragon at style search turned up

42:55

no new information though

42:58

the mystery grew interest faded

43:00

and over 10 years passed

43:02

by without any developments then

43:06

all of a sudden suddenly as

43:11

they say this is

43:13

so fucking stupid everything was magically solved

43:15

and the case was tied up in

43:18

a nice little bow magically heavy heavy

43:21

on the magic folks so

43:24

this is what happened and very believable in

43:27

March 1944 police

43:29

commissioner William McKay was out

43:31

for dinner right big

43:33

dog police commissioner out for dinner

43:36

at a very hoity-toity Italian restaurant

43:38

in town at dinner weird

43:42

feeling in the back of his neck he noticed

43:44

one of the waiters in this restaurant was acting

43:47

frankly a little odd like

43:49

what's going on with that guy here right McKay

43:51

then asked him this question where were you

43:53

September 1st yeah exactly yeah W and I

43:56

and the waiter said all right you got

43:59

me I'm the guy

44:01

who killed the pajama girl. It

44:04

was his wife, Linda Agassini,

44:06

the whole time. As

44:10

a result of this very sudden

44:12

confession, Linda's dental records were checked

44:14

again, and this time, if

44:17

you can believe it, the long dead

44:19

corpse had lost a couple of fillings,

44:21

and the records, they now

44:24

matched. Wow. That's

44:26

convenient. That is, that's just

44:28

the most convenient darn thing of all time,

44:30

isn't it? The corpse

44:32

just happened to lose fillings, and this man just

44:34

happened to admit to it, in the middle of

44:37

a crowded restaurant. Give that commissioner a medal. Case

44:39

closed. The

44:41

waiter was Anthony Agassini, and was apparently

44:43

admitting that he'd accidentally killed his wife

44:46

Linda after the two had gotten into

44:48

an argument. Somehow, he'd accidentally

44:50

shot Linda in the troton and killed

44:52

her. You've noticed, believe that

44:54

didn't kill her. He panicked, discarded her body

44:56

in the culvert, where he was hoping the

44:58

fire would render it unrecognizable, but

45:00

the rain ended as fine. He didn't think it

45:02

was gonna rain, but it did, and hence why

45:04

she was found. Tony Agassini

45:07

was an Italian Australian who

45:09

had married English-born Florence Linda

45:11

Platt in a Sydney registry

45:13

office in 1930. Linda

45:15

moved to New Zealand at just 19 years old, before

45:18

later moving over to Australia,

45:20

where she later met Tony.

45:22

Oddly enough, when McKay fingered him for

45:25

the crime, He didn't want the first crime.

45:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, bend over pal.

45:30

Tony had only just returned to

45:32

Sydney after spending four years in

45:35

internment camps. McKay had

45:37

almost certainly been aware of Tony, as

45:39

he frequented Tony's place of work, the restaurant,

45:42

on many occasions, before Tony was

45:44

sent away to have his politics corrected.

45:48

Now, to say the wrap-up

45:50

was convenient for McKay, bit

45:52

of an understatement, McKay was facing

45:54

rumors of corruption. He

45:57

was facing, I love this, he was facing rumors of corruption, so

45:59

he... Invented solving the

46:01

case. Uh, was it, was

46:03

it? It was it. I guess what, you'll never

46:06

believe her feelings just happened to fall out. This

46:08

is mad. And then he also confessed to me

46:10

in a restaurant. Great. Wild shit, I know. So

46:13

yeah, he was facing rumours of corruption and was

46:15

looking very likely to be booted from his position.

46:17

And he really needed a win right

46:19

there and then when he single-handed- at least

46:22

just so happened. Fucking, Azor

46:24

Tikhal, solved the biggest and most public

46:26

murder mystery of the day. McKay,

46:29

he wasn't used to being praised in the

46:31

media. And it was far more common to

46:33

read that the police had messed up. But

46:36

suddenly, that was all gone. And

46:38

he put a big fat green tick next

46:40

to a whole bunch of red ink. And

46:42

like that, the slate was

46:45

clean. Big dog McKay was

46:47

back in town. Sounds a bit

46:49

too good to be true. It definitely sounds very,

46:51

very much too good to be true. It

46:53

was pretty widely known that Linda Agostini

46:56

had a not insignificant drinking problem. I

46:58

was always up for a party time.

47:01

Obviously, being married to Tony wasn't exactly

47:03

conducive to the wild and free lifestyle

47:05

Linda longed for. So the

47:08

two would regularly clash, sometimes

47:10

violently. Tony gave this

47:12

as the main reason for the argument

47:14

that spilled over into Linda being shot

47:17

dead. Apparently Linda woke him up

47:19

with a revolver in the face and the gun

47:21

had got off as they struggled for it. Naturally,

47:24

there was several huge discrepancies between

47:26

the scene, the body, the known

47:29

facts, and what Tony Agostini said

47:31

in his confession. In

47:33

his statements, admitting to the killing, Tony said

47:35

that he'd poured petrol over his wife's body,

47:37

but it was actually kerosene that was used

47:39

to start the fire. He said it was

47:41

a revolver that had shot her when it

47:43

was a .22, which is a much smaller

47:45

cover. He also said that the gunshot was

47:47

what killed her, and he didn't mention the

47:49

extreme beating that she had actually received that

47:51

had likely killed her. That could just

47:53

be to cover up being a wife beater. He was happy

47:56

to be known as a murderer, but didn't want to be

47:58

known as a wife beater. Oh, it's you, but she's not

48:00

what- I wouldn't be there. Yeah, or I'm not a monster.

48:02

Yeah, he's not a bastard Um, I

48:04

could also be the fact that he just didn't know the details in

48:07

the case because he did not Actually

48:09

do it. So whether

48:11

it was Linda Agassini We

48:14

don't know people identified as Linda,

48:16

but the dental records didn't match until

48:19

they did match Miraculously,

48:22

but Linda's a miss like his wife's a

48:24

miss. Right? I don't know. I didn't even have

48:26

a wife You tell

48:28

me even with the monumental

48:30

amount of reasonable doubt Tony was

48:33

eventually Extradited to Melbourne to

48:35

stand trial. He was actually acquitted

48:37

of murder but found guilty of involuntary

48:40

Manslaughter for which he just got

48:42

six years in prison adding

48:44

more fuel to the fire Tony wouldn't even

48:46

serve that being released and deported back to

48:48

Italy in 1948 after just three years in

48:51

prison Tony

48:53

died in Italy in 1969 and

48:56

that is where we finish it officially the

48:58

case is rubber stamped as closed

49:00

but the reality might

49:03

be very different because at the

49:05

end of the day the dental records never matched

49:07

until They did match and

49:09

the case was closed a little too

49:11

easily would so many discrepancies between what

49:14

Tony said and what actually happened We

49:16

may never know for certain who the woman in the

49:18

pajamas was and what really

49:20

happened to Linda Agassini There

49:23

you go Mmm, I guess

49:25

whoever was the girl in pajamas. It's

49:27

still such a good like f you from

49:29

beyond the grave Yeah, so the killer was

49:32

trying to dispose your body and have it

49:34

hidden and now your face is literally frozen

49:36

in time Yeah, he's plastered out haunting you.

49:38

Yeah, right, right. Yes. It's it's really really

49:40

weird I mean, I mean even just reading

49:42

up here a little bit more the pajama

49:44

girl had brown eyes Agassini a blue different

49:47

bust size Different

49:50

shapes nose. There's a lot of

49:55

Was a completely different person and by

49:57

the way, you know the pajama girl

50:00

It was known to be a head turner right that's

50:02

what they were saying. She looks beautiful Look

50:05

at that picture Linda Agostini right now Not

50:08

gonna be mean, but she's no head turner.

50:10

Let me tell you that she I mean there

50:12

you go Yeah

50:16

No, yeah, not for me. No not

50:19

me, but you know someone yeah, she's she's

50:21

a person I hope she's not

50:23

mean yeah, not me But

50:26

uh yeah, so who actually

50:28

knows what happened to Linda who

50:30

knows who the pajama girl Really

50:33

is there's there's been some other suspects,

50:35

but I'm none have ever really been

50:38

Strong like Linda was always the strongest until it was

50:40

pretty clear. It wasn't her So

50:43

who knows who knows what really happened?

50:45

I mean the case is officially closed

50:47

But uh smells like horseshit to me

50:49

absolutely 100% good mystery. It's

50:51

a good mystery. It is an interesting one

50:53

Yeah, there's two good mysteries two fascinating ones

50:56

Yeah, there you go This whole episode of

50:58

the Vacher next episode of course will be

51:00

a back to a regular one story one

51:03

We just do some a little bit different

51:05

absolutely for this all episode um and yeah

51:07

alright Keith final thoughts I guess we as

51:09

we end this old one final

51:11

thoughts hmm Time

51:13

key time key time key there. I don't

51:16

know just a yeah, it's mad Just I'm

51:18

still kind of digesting what we went through

51:20

there and such to figure out Like

51:22

it's just the egg is being one. Yes.

51:24

Yeah, it's mad. It's a real head scratcher Yeah,

51:26

I feel like it's a real rabbit hole. Yeah

51:29

sure I've been gonna like I said like gonna

51:31

let the similar digest that might come back to

51:33

myself a little bit later Just kind of look

51:35

at it again fresh eyes, but yes, it's mad

51:37

very Yeah, yeah, I love a good mystery. You

51:39

do love a good mystery. You know Keith. You're

51:41

the biggest mystery evil Well

51:43

you mystery that's been solved by the folks in Reddit so there you

51:45

go there we go All right, okay,

51:47

yeah, exactly. I can fucking solve anything All

51:51

right folks. Thank you so much for listening it means a

51:53

lot to me means a lot to Keith I know it is new

51:55

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51:58

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52:10

until the next one please take care of each other and yourselves

52:12

because I'll love you alright

52:14

thanks guys let

52:31

me try it again the process is called