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be. From

5:06

Bay Ridge, Brooklyn to. Patagonia,

5:09

Arizona. For

5:11

the dress sense. Yeah,

5:14

I'm after. Decades

5:17

of chasing crime and reporting news

5:19

and the in in the Heart

5:21

of the Beast soda say. I.

5:24

I wanted the opposite. I grew up in

5:26

rural life. And. I

5:29

wanted to return to or to raise my kids. Were

5:32

was like where you're from, a near do in his. Who.

5:37

Was intense. Nonstop. Intensity

5:39

My job specifically was.

5:43

The national reporter. So anytime anything major

5:45

broke cross the country. I'd

5:48

have a bag packed. Hit the next flight.

5:50

Get. Going and.

5:53

the adrenalin you feel is

5:55

absolutely hard to describe because

5:57

it's non stop and You're

6:00

experiencing the most intense moments of people's

6:02

life on a continual basis. But

6:05

there's a time span on

6:08

that because you can only

6:11

do it for so long until you start almost

6:13

feeling numb to it in a weird way. And

6:17

if you're not sincere in what

6:19

you're doing, it's hard to be excellent.

6:22

Yeah. And so what were

6:25

some of the more intense beats that

6:27

you or stories that you covered particularly? I

6:29

covered every mass shooting from

6:31

2005 to 2014. And

6:43

I dealt with a lot of grief. I wrote a book

6:45

on Newtown for Simon & Schuster on the Sandy Hook tragedy.

6:47

I'm still in touch with some of the parents. It

6:50

was very intense. When

6:53

you go to a child's funeral, it leaves an imprint on

6:55

you. And

6:58

a lot of my formative journalism years

7:00

in New York City were spent trying

7:02

to understand the motive of mass shootings,

7:06

which would

7:09

often come down to mental illness. And

7:12

one of the frustrations was the

7:14

way the media landscape worked was narratives would

7:16

be kind of crafted from both the political

7:19

left and the political right. And

7:21

they wanted to go on Fox News or

7:23

MSNBC or CNN or Good Morning America on either

7:25

a trip, two and a half minutes to three

7:27

minutes to deliver like a spot. And

7:30

you'd find how the host

7:33

would always try to guide you to

7:35

talk about guns. And nobody really wanted

7:38

to discuss mental illness, which was the

7:40

defining characteristic of all these shooters. They

7:42

weren't just a little bit sick. They

7:44

were extremely mentally ill with the exception

7:46

of Fort Hood's Major Dadao Hassan, who

7:49

was not mentally ill. He

7:51

had a viewpoint on the war that

7:54

was happening in the Middle East. That's why he conducted a shooting with

7:56

the rest of them were, I mean, they

7:58

weren't just like eccentric people. were very,

8:00

very, very sick. And

8:04

that, I listened to the

8:06

No Gender podcast with Adam

8:09

Curry and John Dvorak, and I've been

8:11

listening to that for probably five years,

8:13

and they'll bring up

8:15

mass shootings from

8:18

time to time. And the one thing,

8:20

it's not only the mental illness, how much do you

8:22

think the SSRIs play into it as well? Oh, that's

8:24

a great point. Yeah. Definitely.

8:27

So even though they're deceased and there should be

8:29

public information, it's not known

8:32

how many and what kind of medications. So in the

8:34

case of Adam Lanza, he was on medications.

8:40

And the link between that is not, you

8:43

know, you won't find a lot of science on it because it's not

8:45

funded. There's a reason for that. And

8:49

that's part of the narrative and how

8:51

it's crafted. There isn't this public outcry for real

8:54

answers in that realm, which would provide

8:58

the only tangible way to

9:01

prevent the next shooting because these

9:03

gun laws don't, these gun

9:05

restrictions don't prevent any, I

9:08

mean, I always talk to advocates on this issue

9:10

because I still get a lot of emails and

9:13

requests to speak about mass shootings in Newtown, but

9:15

you can't, none of the laws that

9:17

are being proposed would have changed the last 12 mass shootings.

9:20

I don't

9:25

want to say I feel passionate about it, but every time it comes

9:27

up, it does perplex me.

9:30

We should be focusing on the SSRIs, I say

9:32

that because you watch the commercials for these pharmaceuticals

9:35

and it's like side effects

9:37

are, it could cause depression and suicidal thoughts.

9:40

But if you say it fast enough at the end

9:42

of the commercial while there's like a fuzzy dog jumping

9:44

on a ball on a trampoline, you don't really notice.

9:46

No. You know,

9:48

usage of this might cause you to kill your

9:50

family and yourself, but, and

9:53

we move on. Well, I mean, it's not

9:56

the same way I thought we would jump

9:59

into the book with. It is a good one

10:01

because why are people taking the SSRIs? Why are

10:03

people depressed? Diet, food,

10:05

it has a lot to go into that.

10:07

And one of the

10:09

ways that experience

10:12

uncovering crime and finding motives

10:14

and dealing with these

10:17

mass shootings prepared me for this work

10:19

was because they're like

10:22

the mass shootings, there's a very

10:24

severe narrative being pushed on

10:27

food and nutrition. And

10:30

I think it provided me the insight and the

10:32

tools to be able to really see through the

10:34

narrative and find the effective route to access

10:37

the information needed to really

10:39

cast what is true as

10:41

best to my ability and I feel like Fiat Food

10:44

accomplished that. And

10:46

we were talking about outside the

10:48

studio the motivation,

10:52

the inspiration for Fiat Food, the

10:54

Fiat Standard, chapter eight. What

10:57

about that chapter particularly stuck out to you? During

11:00

COVID, I've interviewed

11:03

presidents and senators and congressmen

11:07

and governors and I've always

11:10

been skeptical of power centers. And

11:12

during COVID, it

11:14

really jumped the shark because I understood that politicians

11:16

lied. They do all the time, but there's

11:19

generally to their best interest I'd assumed rationally

11:23

most of the time. But COVID, it

11:25

was kind of like they weren't

11:28

even really pretending to have our best

11:30

interests at heart. The masks were off

11:33

and it led me down a rabbit

11:35

hole where I began questioning a lot

11:38

of, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I

11:42

grew up believing in a lot of our

11:44

American institutions. COVID

11:46

changed me in that way where it

11:48

was clear that our

11:50

leaders and authorities in government, they

11:54

did not have our best interest of the American people

11:56

at heart. And it sent me down into

11:59

Into. Into currency. Shockingly

12:01

I kind of nerd out over

12:03

money sometimes An economics i. I

12:07

I have a pretty low interest in it

12:09

and it led me to Bitcoin standard by

12:11

safety and immerse. Which.

12:14

I enjoyed it, but it was to

12:16

see our standard that I really took

12:18

to and in particular chapter eight. Arm.

12:21

Or chapter hero cause the out sued

12:24

and it's a very short chapter and

12:26

any he makes would appear to be

12:28

just these ridiculous arguments. That.

12:32

Our food system in America

12:34

has been hijacked by. Corporate.

12:37

Enterprises look into profit. A.

12:40

Weird religious group. Hoping.

12:42

To avert the end of days. And

12:45

a government. Hoping to

12:47

obscure the cost of monetary

12:49

inflation. And. All.

12:51

These things he claimed come together

12:54

to. Ruin our food supply

12:56

for. Read this chapter and. I.

12:58

Respect the shit out a safety and like

13:00

as an economist and I'm like he's not

13:02

a reporter. What it sees. See what is

13:04

this done? A nutritionist? I have to. What

13:06

was going on in his chapter? Saw

13:09

a i gonna put my rehab my reporter

13:11

had on and I I began sacked checking.

13:16

Almost. An erotic latest chapter and

13:18

what I discovered blew my mind

13:20

because not only had sees incorrect

13:23

but I would. Argue.

13:25

And I do him book. He understated

13:27

it. Severely. And

13:30

I immediately couldn't stop thinking about

13:32

it. I became obsessed and I

13:34

contacted Save personally and I said

13:36

what's yours, who I am Here's

13:38

what I do. This deserves a

13:40

box. On. The person you should write

13:42

and. I'm. I'm

13:44

somebody who's published with major publishing houses.

13:46

I publish with Simon and Schuster, Harper

13:49

Collins, Scholastic, However, know publishing houses gonna

13:51

take this a wants you publish a

13:53

book conventionally. it

13:56

goes through lawyers and in l a

13:58

goes through twenty different as and

14:01

they're not going to let this see the

14:03

day of light. Like, I want to do

14:05

this. We don't even, I literally said you

14:07

should start your own publishing house. And he

14:10

told me that he had been thinking about that

14:12

already. So it was a real synergy. He was

14:14

thinking of launching his own publishing house. And

14:18

I became his first author, which was a

14:20

real honor. And a year

14:22

later, countless

14:24

hours of FOIA requests

14:28

and outcomes fiat

14:30

food. Yeah. What

14:34

was the thing

14:36

that stuck out to you in Chapter 8 the most? Really, kind

14:38

of, this has to be bullshit. I

14:42

think it was

14:45

how nutrition

14:48

science had

14:51

been corrupted to the extent that

14:53

it had, where essentially

14:56

we're living in a 50-year scion. Whereas

14:59

with Ansel Keys at the middle of it. With

15:02

Ansel Keys at the middle of it. And

15:05

I try to write this narratively because as

15:07

a crime reporter, I like things to go

15:09

sequentially in an order. And what I discovered

15:11

was it is true. So you

15:13

have this extremely

15:16

bizarre, kind of

15:18

obscure, in the beginning of the

15:20

19th century religious movement called the

15:22

Seventh-Day Adventists, who came

15:24

from the Miller movement.

15:28

And it was started by a woman named Ellen

15:30

G. White, who's walking home from school one day

15:32

and gets hit in the head with a rock.

15:35

She wakes up from a small coma, blood

15:38

everywhere. But to her surprise,

15:40

God is now speaking to her. And God

15:42

says, Ellen, the end of days

15:45

are coming. You need

15:47

to warn people. You're

15:49

my messenger. And the

15:51

way to purify bodies, the way

15:53

to avert the end of days, is

15:55

to thwart the carnal

15:58

desires of you. young men and women.

16:02

You need to suppress that because these

16:04

carnal desires, sex drive leads to not

16:06

only every health malady you could think

16:08

of, but it warps

16:10

your soul. So she

16:13

and the church became messengers

16:15

that meat, especially

16:18

red meat, which they believed correctly by

16:20

the way, brought

16:23

on these carnal desires. They

16:26

believed that by changing the meat, by

16:29

making people, having people eat grains instead

16:31

of meat, that it

16:33

will purify body and soul. And

16:36

to do this, they

16:38

needed to change the American diet. And at

16:41

the time, Americans ate nothing

16:43

like they ate meat for breakfast, lunch, and

16:45

dinner, if they could afford it. They

16:48

couldn't. That was when they

16:50

would eat grains or other food. Ellen

16:55

hired somebody named a protege of hers, John

16:57

Harvey Kellogg, who she met as a

16:59

young man. He grew up in

17:01

the church. He was a vegetarian. And

17:04

she tasked him with

17:07

coming up with a food that

17:09

would substitute eggs and bacon and

17:12

steak for breakfast. And

17:14

that's how he came up with Kellogg's Corn Flakes. And

17:16

just to give you a little bit of insight on

17:19

what kind of man John Harvey Kellogg was, he was

17:21

a real sociopath. It's

17:24

kind of hard to overstate his influence at the time.

17:26

He was a celebrity doctor of the day. So

17:29

he gave speeches and writing. A very charismatic

17:31

character would walk around dressed from head to

17:33

toe in a white suit with a cockatoo

17:35

on his shoulder. He'd

17:37

break out into spontaneous song. But

17:41

as advice to parents who feared that

17:43

their children were masturbating, he suggested in

17:45

the case of women pouring carbolytic acid

17:47

on their clitoris, having

17:50

surgery on young boys without

17:52

anesthesia so that they'd muscle

17:54

memory would associate cages.

17:58

This is the kind of man he was. he

18:00

left the church years later because he

18:02

discovered Ellen White, like almost all vegans,

18:04

Ellen was eating meat. She

18:08

got caught eating fried chicken. The

18:10

chef at the place

18:12

where they all worked was very concerned about this and I

18:14

was able to access letters from him that

18:19

played this out. But John Harvey Kellogg stayed

18:21

in character. After he left the church, he

18:23

became a eugenicist in Michigan

18:25

and through his

18:27

wealth was able to push

18:29

for, to remove the

18:31

reproductive organs and sterilize over 3,100 women who

18:34

he found undesirable, who were

18:38

mental deviants, whatever that meant for the

18:40

time. So I'm talking about the church,

18:42

I'm talking about the Seventh Day Adventist

18:44

Church and people might be like, well,

18:46

what does that have to do

18:48

with nutrition? Seventh Day

18:51

Adventist Church, John

18:54

Harvey Kellogg had a protege named Leanna

18:56

Cooper who started the American Dietetic

18:58

Association. That became

19:01

firmly entrenched in government

19:03

as nutrition policy. This

19:07

is all pre-1970s, so this is all

19:09

a growing movement and it's still,

19:11

come 1970, Americans are

19:13

still primarily eating meat. But

19:16

what happened on, as I'm

19:18

sure most of your audience knows, on August 15, 1971, Richard

19:22

Nixon decoupled from gold.

19:24

So up until that point, American

19:27

citizens couldn't redeem their promissory notes. I feel

19:29

weird calling it a promissory note because the

19:31

promise is broken. But

19:33

federal foreign banks

19:35

still could. So it

19:38

provided a powerful restraint on printing

19:40

of dollars. Nixon was confronted with

19:42

something horrible, wasn't entirely his

19:44

fault, but there

19:47

were far more promissory notes that

19:49

were issued than we had gold in our reserves.

19:52

So we had perpetuated a fraud and

19:55

all it would have taken was a few countries

19:57

at the same time trying to redeem their promissory

19:59

notes for us. to be exposed to the liars

20:01

we were, much like the Bank of England in 1914,

20:03

done the same thing

20:06

which led to the creation of

20:08

fiat, which Safedine really examined

20:10

closely in the fiat standard. But

20:13

on August 15, 1971, when

20:16

he did that, you know,

20:18

the American government had kind of a choice to

20:20

make and it would be to just

20:23

tell the American people, look, we're

20:25

going to print a shitload of currency, we're going to

20:27

flood the market with dollars, and

20:29

as a result, things that you buy are going to

20:31

go up. And they

20:36

chose a different route, which was

20:38

to try to hide

20:40

the inflationary theft of their citizenry

20:43

through changing the food supply.

20:45

And why the food supply?

20:47

I'll give you

20:50

an example. Nixon

20:53

had a Department of Agriculture

20:55

secretary named Earl Butts, a real piece

20:57

of shit. And he would talk

21:00

about how

21:02

housewives, they buy a sofa

21:05

maybe once every 10 years, they

21:07

don't really notice the price rise. Food,

21:11

food prices rising

21:14

is something that governments have long known

21:16

leads to political instability. And I outlined

21:18

this quite extensively in my book. When

21:22

food prices go very high, people

21:24

riot. People tolerate

21:26

endless wars, people tolerate government

21:28

corruption. But when the price of food goes up,

21:31

it's not good

21:33

for the retainment of political power. I'll

21:37

point to 12,500 food and

21:39

energy related riots in Europe in 2005 to

21:41

2007. And then even

21:48

more recently in 2022, this

21:50

wasn't quite covered accurately. But the riots

21:52

and protests in Sri Lanka were the

21:55

result of the rising price of food,

21:57

especially red meat, eggs and

21:59

milk. And that led to hundreds

22:01

of thousands of people storming the palace and the

22:03

Sri Lankan government having to flee. So

22:06

governments are very sensitive to the cost of

22:08

rising food. But

22:10

what they decided to do, rather

22:13

stealthy land, I would argue successfully

22:15

was through a series of subsidies,

22:18

corn, soy, sugar industries, and

22:23

tilting the fiat table

22:26

towards bullshit

22:28

nutrition studies. They

22:30

were able to sigh out the American public

22:32

into believing that the food that they had

22:34

been eating for thousands of years, basically

22:39

animal-based dairy,

22:42

people ate fruit if they found it in season,

22:44

you know, if a bear hadn't gotten into it

22:47

or maybe a little honey. But

22:49

people were eating tons of leaf

22:51

green vegetables and things. They were eating

22:53

meat if they could find it. But

22:57

to sign up the American people to believe that

22:59

the diet they've been eating for thousands of years

23:01

in which they've evolved

23:04

has actually been bad for them

23:06

and that a much cheaper food

23:08

supply was in their best

23:10

interest. And what you

23:12

see happening at this point, which I outline in

23:14

my book, is all

23:17

this funding start

23:19

going towards these different groups. So now the

23:21

church, Seventh Day Adventist Church, which

23:25

is sort of a still looked at in

23:27

the public as more of a curiosity, even though

23:29

they're a growing movement, they're

23:31

getting millions and

23:33

millions of dollars of fiat

23:36

currency pushed their way through,

23:38

in particular, a university called Global

23:41

Lending University in California, where

23:43

I'm guessing a lot of your audience is

23:47

exposed to a lot of studies

23:49

that come out of Global Lending

23:51

University, which say meat is

23:53

bad. So come

23:55

up with an ailment, cancer, hemorrhoids,

23:58

blurry vision, meat, clots, and so on. causes X. Hundreds

24:01

of these studies, almost all

24:03

of them exclusively come from Louisville and

24:06

the University, which is run by the

24:08

Seventh-day Adventist Church, which

24:10

doesn't conduct real, they're not real studies, they're

24:14

observational studies. So observational

24:17

studies are equivalent

24:20

of handing out flyers, really. It's like,

24:23

I could say, I

24:26

took a study and 94% of people who

24:28

have cancer have at one point drank in

24:30

milk. Headline, cancer

24:34

linked to milk consumption. Observational study.

24:36

A real scientist will explain, and

24:38

I've spoken to so many

24:40

for this book, that random, you

24:43

want random controlled studies where variables

24:45

can be controlled because then you

24:47

can actually make causal,

24:49

present causal relationships where observational

24:51

studies can only give you

24:53

association. It's not

24:55

science, it's very easily manipulated. So you

24:58

can take basically any subject and make

25:00

it, I mean I saw one recently

25:02

from Louisville and University that was meat

25:04

causes diabetes. Forget that

25:06

glucose and meat, it's nonsensical.

25:09

But they're not, what I also

25:11

learned is like they're not trying to

25:13

impress other scientists, they're trying to make

25:15

headlines. For people, because most

25:17

people are working and they don't have time to go

25:19

through the actual study, right? So they This

25:22

is insane. And

25:25

the other player was industry

25:28

which profits far more from

25:30

selling you Doritos, which they can print

25:33

at scale almost like fiat paper, than

25:36

they can raising

25:39

meats, which is time intensive. Government

25:44

soaks it all in because at the end of it all, their

25:47

mission is to stay in power

25:50

and retain power. And if they

25:52

can convince you that food

25:55

is actually affordable, then their

25:58

chances at retaining power have

26:00

increased. In reality, the

26:04

food is still cheap, but

26:07

the nutrients required for species-specific

26:09

humans has increased

26:12

considerably. I outline

26:14

this. So like red meat

26:16

is becoming increasingly

26:19

a food of the upper

26:21

classes, whereas in the past, obesity was

26:27

associated with affluence and abundance.

26:30

Now it's a sign of poverty,

26:32

not of wealth necessarily,

26:34

but of the

26:36

body's nutrients. And

26:39

it didn't take a giant conspiracy

26:41

for all this to happen, so there was

26:43

no evidence that there was ever like a

26:46

smoky room where these groups got together. It

26:48

just was in everybody's best interest. And

26:52

when Fiat came along, it

26:54

tilted the tables to such an extent

26:56

because what you have in Fiat is

27:00

really the most, I would argue the most powerful

27:02

tool in human history because

27:04

in the Fiat money

27:06

printer you have a weapon that you

27:09

can weaponize the entire productive labor of

27:11

not just America, but since

27:13

the Bretton Woods Agreement of 1944

27:16

where a lot of the free

27:18

world agreed to base their currency

27:21

on the dollar, we're weaponizing the

27:23

entire world's product of labor. And

27:25

when you aim it at something,

27:27

it's hard to look away. Yeah. And

27:30

so when it comes to Fiat food,

27:33

again going back to the idea

27:35

that there's no smoky room with

27:37

people making decisions, you essentially had

27:39

Nixon ripping us off the

27:41

gold standard, which presented a problem, which

27:43

was if women who were shopping

27:46

week in and week out at the grocery stores see

27:48

that food prices are going up, there's going

27:50

to be political unrest. And

27:53

so we need to utilize this religious group

27:56

effectively in their studies to convince

27:58

people to eat. cheaper food so we

28:00

don't have that problem. That

28:03

was definitely one of the elements. I mean, in the early

28:05

1900s, there was no government food policy.

28:08

You know, people didn't need me on a podcast. They

28:10

didn't need Sean Baker. They knew what to eat. Like

28:12

a lion knew what to eat, and a wolf knew

28:14

what to eat, and a chinchilla knew what to eat.

28:17

But there's been a lot

28:19

of confusion that was intentional. They

28:21

did that with intent. They caused it

28:23

because they muddied the waters.

28:25

And another example

28:28

would be a, what

28:31

I would consider a intellectual prostitute

28:33

by the name of Frederick Stair, who

28:35

started the Harvard Nutrition Foundation. So under

28:37

the name, the prestigious name of Harvard,

28:40

this bastard went about telling

28:43

people that sugar was good for them. A

28:46

coke every day was a healthy in-between meal

28:48

snack, he would say. He

28:50

was funded completely by industry. In his own

28:52

book, he talked about getting

28:55

a million dollars to start a

28:57

magazine from Kellogg's, and these cereal

28:59

companies funded him exclusively. He

29:02

would talk about how red dye was really good for you. And

29:05

this came under the name of Harvard. So

29:09

when you'd push, there was a man who

29:11

tried to warn under Nixon, later

29:14

he went into private life, and he tried to,

29:16

he went to Congress, and he tried to warn

29:18

people about these cereals. Like these cereals are packed

29:20

of sugar, and they're changing the children's

29:24

taste buds. Now kids are demanding everything be

29:26

sweet, and they put Stair on to reboot

29:28

them, and Stair came out and was like,

29:30

no, no, no. Sugar

29:32

cereals are so much healthier than bacon

29:35

and eggs. And

29:37

things have not changed. You'll

29:40

get to Tufts Food Compass. Okay,

29:43

that's the leading, are you aware of?

29:45

No. Okay, so that's the

29:47

leading indicator of health

29:49

right now. And the

29:51

nutritionist who spent years from Tufts

29:53

University, with all these great degrees,

29:57

the noosh moussoufarn is the head of.

30:00

the scientists study in these. And they

30:02

concluded, after years of rigorous study, that

30:06

fruit loops are much healthier

30:08

for you than eggs and red meat. Almond

30:12

chocolate almond milk is better for you than whole milk.

30:15

And I think

30:17

it's, cinnamon toast cereal

30:20

bars are healthier for you than, than,

30:22

you know, than red meat. And it's,

30:26

it's amazing. But when you go on to

30:28

their website and you pull up, pull up

30:30

their papers, you see why, who their partners

30:32

are, their partners are PepsiCo, Dannon, all

30:35

these corporate interests, their

30:37

paymasters. And

30:39

you see the synergy of how these

30:42

groups come together in January

30:44

of 2023, when you have Dr.

30:49

Fatima Stanford from, appear

30:52

on 60 Minutes and talk about

30:54

obesity being not from lifestyle, but

30:57

a life, but a genetic brain

30:59

disorder. People were

31:01

not responsible. And then

31:03

referring people who have obesity, not to

31:05

change their lifestyle, but to

31:07

take Ozumpik. By

31:09

the way, that same episode was funded by

31:12

Ozumpik, is the main sponsor. And

31:15

then you see the Tufts Food Pyramid

31:17

come out that same month saying that processed

31:19

cereal grains are healthier for you than eggs,

31:21

fruit loops are healthier for you than, I

31:24

mean, healthier for you than, than eggs and

31:26

bacon and meat. And

31:28

a few months later, the American Pediatric

31:30

Association for the first time changed their

31:32

guidelines on obesity to say that children

31:34

as young as 11 should be in

31:36

Ozumpik. So I can sit

31:38

back and think, I didn't find in my

31:41

research, any connection between

31:44

all of them outwardly, but I think I'd

31:46

be naive to think that this wasn't

31:49

planned, right? Like that there

31:51

wasn't some kind of rollout.

31:53

This was a marketing campaign. And I think that's

31:56

what, what your audience needs to understand is that

31:58

when they're looking at food science, Now

32:00

and I put science in quotes You

32:03

may need to look at it as a PR campaign because that's

32:05

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can see media comes into play because due

32:50

to the Digitization of

32:52

our world and a lot of discourse moving

32:55

online a lot of independent journalists popping up

32:57

like the funding for incumbent

33:00

media as they

33:02

should become like we need to partner with somebody

33:04

in the pharma industry somebody in the private

33:07

industry to pay

33:09

for ads and a lot of

33:11

these reports like the 60 minutes Interviews

33:14

are essentially just paid spots and native

33:16

advertising you're spent on and that's why

33:19

You know my first books I would do I would

33:21

go on CNN and Fox News and Good Morning America

33:23

on today's show And I talk about my books You

33:28

think anyone would have me on today talking about this book

33:30

I know these I know these people too like some of them

33:32

are friends of mine these producers What

33:35

you're doing What Joe

33:37

Rogan and safe and Sean Baker? I

33:40

mean that's the new media. This is

33:42

it and It's

33:44

your that's why you're growing And

33:48

I think it's beautiful. It's just a Decentralization

33:50

of thought well we need to get

33:53

the message is it's beautiful, and it's

33:55

important and I Do

33:57

think it's very prominent, but for some reason or

34:00

the other, the common media still has

34:02

this prestige and

34:04

people take, most people take what

34:07

they're saying. Like, oh, it's the truth. Do

34:09

they? I don't know. Maybe

34:11

you talked in different circles with me. I don't. The

34:13

MPC is the normies, if you will. Like, Ozempic is a big thing

34:15

right now. Like, I have to tell some family members. Like, oh, I'm

34:18

just going to go to Ozempic. I'm like, please do not do this.

34:20

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. This

34:22

is a dangerous

34:25

drug. And in two years, they'll pull that.

34:28

In the meantime, they would have made $18 billion and,

34:30

you know, they'll have a new drug that will take

34:32

two years for them to pull that. And

34:34

the cycle will continue. Yeah. I

34:37

mean, you're right. I guess it goes more

34:39

into the civil war that we're in right now.

34:41

And I think that we will look back at

34:43

this time period in the future and think, wow,

34:46

we were the civil war of ideologies. And

34:49

one of the blessings I think that happened

34:51

during the period of COVID is a lot

34:53

of the people I was friends with who

34:56

had faith in authority, had faith in credentials,

34:59

are thinking about things very differently now from the left

35:01

and from the right. You see it in the rise

35:03

of somebody like R.F.K. Jr.,

35:07

whose idea is just a few years ago to

35:09

be considered very out of the mainstream, but he's

35:12

gaining momentum. And I think that I

35:14

think it's beautiful in the sense that health,

35:20

our physical health

35:22

presupposes our ability to

35:25

really be an active, independent human. And

35:28

it's all really connected in that way. And if they

35:30

can get us dependent,

35:34

whether it be on grains and

35:36

food, and then we're metabolically compromised

35:39

because we're addicted to sugar and we're

35:42

unwell, then we're really kind of

35:44

fodder for anything they're going to throw at us. You

35:48

see this through the Department of Agriculture's War, for

35:50

instance, on raw milk. I

35:52

do a lot of stories on a man

35:54

named Amos Miller, who lives, he's an Amish

35:57

guy in Pennsylvania, and they're assaulting him. They

35:59

did armed government. raids. Just

36:01

today I did a story or I worked on

36:03

a story earlier this morning on two

36:05

gentlemen who they're being, they're in jail.

36:07

They've been in jail for almost 10

36:09

days now because they're providing,

36:11

I feel silly saying

36:14

this out loud, they're providing

36:16

illegal ultrasound to cows of

36:18

dairy farmers. Yeah, they're in

36:20

jail and they went in early morning hours to

36:25

a family's house and they accidentally went into the

36:27

kids room first. They scared the shit out of

36:29

these children. Their parents or dad's

36:31

in jail. So there's a real war being

36:33

waged and I bring

36:36

that up because it's connected because

36:38

the USDA is captured by

36:40

industry right now. So why

36:43

are they against raw milk producers? It's not because

36:45

they want us to be unhealthy. It's

36:48

because that's just a consequence

36:51

because they really view the American people as a means to

36:53

an end. It's because they're donors,

36:55

the people who pay the USDA and

36:58

it's not a conspiracy. Just look it up. I outline

37:00

it in my book. It's on their own website. Their

37:02

partners are the big food

37:04

corporations. So they want to weed out the

37:06

small guy. Well, it's similar to the Federal

37:08

Reserve where you hear the Federal Reserve, you're

37:10

like, oh, that's part of the government. It's

37:13

not similar with USDA, which

37:16

is part of the government, but

37:18

it's funded by private interests. Exactly.

37:21

Cartel bankers run, you know, it's like

37:23

a cartel bankers. They make these decisions

37:25

and but

37:30

there's pushback happening now, which I'm very appreciative

37:32

of. And you can see it. My eyes

37:34

are opening in ways I didn't know. I

37:37

mean, I've been carnivore. I have cheat. You

37:39

know, I'm not always as carnivore as I

37:41

should be, but about two years now and

37:43

I've never felt better. You look great. Thanks,

37:45

man. Yeah. No, Amos Miller is

37:48

something because I'm from Philadelphia and

37:51

obviously have a

37:54

good understanding of Lancaster County, big fan of

37:56

Redding Terminal in Philadelphia where the

37:58

Amish would come in and bring

38:00

their baked goods and the

38:03

other stuff that they were

38:05

growing out and cooking out

38:07

in Lancaster. We actually had Chris Humon

38:09

from the Lancaster Future.

38:12

Okay, cool. I know Chris. I've touched base with him

38:14

a few times. Right after the raid. I

38:17

think Amos' story is particularly

38:19

interesting for two reasons.

38:21

Number one, he'd run his

38:23

business for many years and had a lot

38:25

of success and people love his food and

38:28

it's a consensual contract between

38:30

him and his customers that's been going on for

38:33

some time. I mean, they're clinging to that one Listeria

38:35

case that that woman in Florida went. Again,

38:38

I think it's an observational association

38:40

thing where she had drink. The

38:43

raw milk, which raw milk in and of

38:45

itself is another cyop. It's just milk and

38:48

it was until... It's milk that hasn't been

38:50

cooked, so it's healthy. We drank it that

38:52

way for millennia up until about a century

38:54

ago. I drink about a half

38:57

gallon every day. That's what

38:59

the beauty of living in Austin is we have very

39:02

easy access to raw milk. My boys love

39:05

it. That's my protein shake.

39:07

I do raw milk, a few raw eggs,

39:09

some raw honey. That's what

39:11

I drink. Unpublicized are all the cases that people

39:13

get sick from. Cooked milk. Yeah. Which,

39:16

I mean, the reason the corporations don't want raw

39:18

milk, it had it explained to me was just

39:21

how you could treat your cow like complete shit.

39:23

The cow can eat its own shit. None of

39:25

it matters. You can't eat the milk. A

39:28

raw milk farmer, I recommend your audience

39:30

get to know one, get to know the farmer, get

39:32

to know the cows. They have to

39:34

take really nice care of their cow, or else the

39:36

milk doesn't meet the standards. I

39:39

feel really blessed that in Arizona I have a

39:41

raw milk farmer who I meet up once a

39:43

week at a farmer's market. We make

39:46

the transaction, but it's all connected

39:48

into currency. The

39:52

reason this is a safe

39:54

publish this, and this is why it's important to save

39:56

it in as well, and it's under his publishing houses.

40:00

is because the reason Bitcoin

40:02

ties into this is because it

40:05

doesn't have to be Bitcoin. Any hard

40:07

currency if it was adopted, I just happen to

40:09

think Bitcoin is by far the most effective

40:12

one from what I can understand of it, is

40:14

that when

40:17

you end the Fed, you have to understand

40:19

that the Fed, which I know you do,

40:22

is the reason that these distortions need

40:24

to be created. So

40:28

every time you buy a little Bitcoin with

40:30

your fiat, you're taking a

40:32

knife into the Fed and doing a little job.

40:34

And if you end the Fed, you end the

40:37

reason for the distortions. And then

40:39

there are no more distortions. There's no incentive to

40:42

manipulate the money supply to hide

40:44

inflation when there's no monetary

40:46

inflation. And people,

40:49

including the lower economic stratum, will

40:52

be able then to afford the

40:54

nutrients essential for life and

40:57

the consequences and ripple effects that

40:59

are impossible to oversee. Yeah,

41:02

I mean, what you were mentioning

41:04

earlier about beef becoming a high

41:06

class good because of all

41:08

these distortions in the market. I mean, that's with

41:11

fiat food, we have

41:13

these distortions in the market because the government and the

41:15

central banks are able to print money or issue debt

41:18

and then give it to corn

41:20

farmers to subsidize

41:22

the production of high fructose corn

41:24

syrup, which then

41:27

lowers the cost of these goods,

41:30

which are worth for you nutritionally.

41:33

And then that's in the pricing signal to the market,

41:35

like, hey, we should be growing

41:38

and distributing this food versus ranching

41:41

beef. And so now, because

41:44

of that price distortion, the incentive to actually

41:46

bring quality beef to market has been perturbed,

41:50

it's been made harder to do

41:52

so. And now we have a situation

41:55

where the head of cattle that we have in

41:57

the US is at the lowest it's

41:59

been since the beginning. the 1970s I think. Yeah

42:02

and your audience should understand that this

42:04

war is only beginning on food and

42:06

it's only going to increase. It's

42:09

only in the beginning stages. So

42:11

one of the interesting things that I

42:13

learned was the Seventh-day Adventist churches teamed

42:16

up, teamed up, it's

42:18

a bad term to use, they haven't formally

42:21

teamed up. They've embraced

42:23

and kind of colluded with

42:25

the environmental movement. So

42:28

throughout the last hundred

42:30

years, the

42:33

tool that they use to try to get people

42:35

away from me has always been their own guilt.

42:37

That's what I've noticed. You know

42:40

don't eat meat, it started out don't eat

42:42

meat because you know

42:45

your body and your soul are going to be bad

42:47

and then it changed and

42:49

kind of evolved to in the 70s. There was

42:53

a book called The Population Bomb by

42:56

probably like the worst

42:58

forecaster like the

43:00

reverse Nostradamus, a guy named Paul

43:02

Ehrlich. You're familiar with him. Everything

43:05

he said was dumb

43:07

and demonstrably false

43:10

but you'll find him still being

43:12

referenced today. It's absolutely amazing but

43:15

he released this book and in the 70s, the argument

43:19

evolved from spiritual to more meat

43:21

is a lot of resources. So save

43:23

the earth because

43:26

there's too many people and

43:28

they're going to eat all the food up so don't eat meat.

43:31

And now it's evolved to meat

43:33

being, so now

43:36

obviously we're losing people because partially in

43:38

part because John Harvey Kellogg's ability to

43:40

get us to eat meat did in

43:42

fact lower fertility rates. I

43:44

mean to get us to eat all these grains, our

43:47

fertility rates are going down, people are not having as many

43:49

kids. Now it's evolved to

43:52

like your consumption of

43:54

meat is now a temperature gauge on

43:57

the earth and in New York City,

43:59

Just last year, Mayor Adams had a press

44:01

conference. Mayor Eric Adams also

44:05

claimed he was a vegan, also got

44:07

exposed for eating meat. Oh,

44:10

I didn't know that. Oh yeah. I knew he

44:12

was vegan. I didn't know he got caught. He's

44:14

not a vegan. It's vegan, vegan publicly, but he

44:16

got busted. He's admitted it. He's like,

44:18

oh, well, yeah, I know. Oh, you have to

44:20

eat meat. He's a human, like of course, you know? And

44:23

then it's funny, because they all beat themselves up

44:25

over it, all this guilt they feel. But now,

44:27

you know, eating meat's the temperature gauge and

44:30

the earth and temperature, it's global warming's kind of

44:32

adopted it. And, you know,

44:35

humans have always done this thing where we've

44:37

like blamed our behavior for the weather. You

44:40

know, in the 1600s, we would burn eccentric

44:42

women when we didn't get enough precipitation for

44:44

the crops and there was human sacrifice before

44:46

that. We still do this.

44:48

It's just a little more sophisticated. And

44:50

in the sense of New York, we

44:52

sacrifice our children with meatless Mondays for

44:54

schools. And there's meatless Fridays, I think,

44:56

but they're gonna expand it. And

44:58

they're taking it out, really, on the school children, but I guess

45:00

I wanted to say that, so

45:03

your audience is prepared. In

45:07

the recent omnibus bill passed by Congress, there

45:09

was $105 million delegated towards

45:13

something called electric electronic

45:15

cattle livestock tracking. I spoke to Congressman

45:17

Thomas Massey about this, who owns Terry

45:19

Gals, and he was explaining to me

45:21

that this is gonna be used to

45:24

monitor the livestock, to

45:27

in the end be weaponized to control meat

45:29

consumption. And

45:31

that's terrifying. Well, it's multifaceted. It's not

45:33

only that, it's also a way

45:37

to impose cost on smaller ranchers

45:39

that they cannot afford. So

45:42

just to push them out of the market,

45:44

where if you don't comply and tag

45:46

your cattle with this electronic tracker,

45:48

you can't. You

45:50

can't ranch anymore. You can't bring your product to

45:53

market. Yeah, exactly. It's always

45:55

to the benefit of them, but yeah,

45:57

I mean, it's only beginning. I mean, they have... They

46:00

haven't even implemented it yet but you see this

46:02

in places in Europe like in Ireland where

46:04

they've used methods like this already where they

46:06

say it's not going to be implemented for

46:09

this reason but it has been

46:11

in the name of

46:14

climate. Just

46:16

remember if you're eating nothing but cereal and

46:19

Doritos, you don't notice inflation rising.

46:22

In that realm, you're happy with your government. You think, oh my

46:25

gosh, I mean I could go buy a giant box of cereal

46:27

that feeds me all day for $3.95. Go

46:29

to buy ribeye. It's

46:31

very different and one of the things I have

46:33

to deal with when I talk to people about my diet is

46:36

they're like, I would love to just do what you're doing but

46:38

it's so expensive.

46:41

You can get ground beef still. There

46:43

still are ways to get it but

46:45

it's difficult. It's hard. Yeah, it is.

46:47

No, I feel it. We

46:51

try to eat as much beef and

46:53

eggs as possible and do it in a

46:55

way where we're getting it from local ranchers

46:57

and the grocery stores much.

46:59

I mean obviously we're not perfect. Buy

47:02

steaks and whole foods, H-E-B. Quite

47:05

often but we're lucky with local pastures here.

47:07

That's what we try to get most of

47:09

our beef and eggs and milk. You

47:14

get raw milk? Yes. Isn't

47:16

it great? It is. So amazing.

47:18

So much sweeter. Yeah but the corporations don't like it. It

47:21

takes a lot of work for the cows and it's

47:23

very difficult for them to deal with this. They want

47:25

to cook your milk and burn everything and then give

47:27

you the bloody pus. Yeah. Because I

47:29

fell for the side of the raw milk. I

47:33

was like, oh we can't drink raw milk. I'm going to

47:35

get listeria. That's crazy. I'm going to

47:38

die. And then the last

47:40

few years we've been buying it, the first sip of

47:43

raw milk compared to the hyper-pasteurized

47:46

stuff that I drank growing up. It's like holy

47:48

shit, this is completely different. I had to take

47:50

raw milk and I play a lot of basketball

47:52

weekly. I have a tournament at my house. I

47:54

have a little court and I go out of

47:56

high school, kids come and there's one kid named

47:58

Jose. Shout out to Jose. very big

48:00

and he pushes my ass around everywhere and

48:02

during carnivore, I lost too much weight. I

48:05

introduced the raw milk and I was able

48:07

to put more weight on so I drink the raw milk.

48:10

Also, reliefs my sugar cravings. Yeah. No,

48:12

it's like I don't want to be in ketosis for years

48:15

of my life, right? I don't think that's really healthy.

48:17

I'm not sure. I guess I've deferred to the

48:19

health experts on that but the raw

48:21

milk has been very helpful to just maintain

48:23

what I consider a healthy weight for myself.

48:29

That's one thing I'm going to go and mix up

48:31

the protein shakes. I don't want to like buy the

48:34

powder crap from GMC or whatever.

48:37

Yeah. Stuff with a bunch of shit

48:39

I'd rather do. Raw eggs, raw

48:41

milk. One thing

48:43

I didn't mention on the corporate side that I just

48:45

would like to share with your audience is that it

48:49

isn't just that they have an interest in the profit. The

48:54

profit margin on Doritos is far higher than it is

48:56

on meat but

49:00

they also manipulated these studies. A lot of

49:02

the studies, a lot of the reasons that

49:04

we believe that saturated

49:08

meat, saturated found in red meat

49:10

causes a rise in cholesterol which then

49:12

causes heart problems comes

49:15

from corporate funded studies by the

49:18

sugar industry towards Ansel Keys. Ansel

49:21

Keys didn't need the sugar industry to do this.

49:23

He was a very motivated man. He

49:25

was a scientist in

49:28

the 50s and the 60s but he wasn't a nutritionist and

49:30

he wasn't a heart doctor. He

49:32

had this theory, the saturated fat found

49:34

in meat caused a rise in cholesterol

49:37

which caused heart attacks. In the

49:39

50s everybody was really worried about heart attacks after especially

49:41

Eisenhower had a heart attack in 51. Out

49:45

10 days people were very scared because it's

49:47

kind of like a nightmare, the silent killer

49:49

they call it. Everybody

49:52

was racing to find an answer and at the time people smoked.

49:54

There's competing theories, smoke and

49:57

all these different high stressed.

50:00

types with another theory. Ansel

50:02

Keys theory was

50:04

never proven and

50:08

people, other scientists like John Yudkin from

50:10

Great Britain proposed sugar. There's a higher

50:12

correlation to sugar but these were all,

50:15

as we were saying, observational studies. Ansel

50:19

Keys was like, you know what, in 1968 we're

50:21

going to do something. We're going to do a

50:23

randomized control study called the Minnesota Coronary Survey, 1968

50:25

to 1973, happening in about a

50:28

dozen nursing homes and mental

50:33

institutions in Minnesota where all the

50:36

variables could be controlled so they

50:38

could really establish a causal relationship.

50:41

So they do the study, 1968 comes, 1973 comes, the

50:47

study's over, nobody

50:49

talks about the study, it doesn't come out. Years

50:52

pass, nobody

50:54

knows what happened to this multi-million dollar

50:57

government funded study so finally hat tip

51:00

to the New York Times, occasionally

51:02

they do a good story. It's very rare

51:05

but it happens. I've worked for

51:07

them in the past so I

51:09

can say this. They

51:12

were like, what happened to that study?

51:14

This is in 2016, decades

51:18

later, somebody from their department was like, what

51:20

happened to that study? They were

51:22

able to find, Ansel

51:24

Keys was already dead, another researcher, a

51:26

guy named Ivan, they found his son. Like what

51:29

happened to this study? And the son looked in the basement

51:31

of the house and found boxes, labeled

51:33

Minnesota Coronary Survey, opens it

51:35

up to their shack.

51:39

The study results showed

51:41

that higher cholesterol rates

51:43

were associated with better

51:46

health outcomes. Lower

51:49

cholesterol rates were

51:51

associated with worse health

51:53

outcomes in terms of mortality. And

51:57

one of the researchers who worked on the study was

51:59

asked by journalist Gary Taubes who's

52:01

done fantastic work in this field. Why

52:04

didn't you ever publish it? And

52:07

he said, there was nothing wrong with the

52:09

study but quote, we were

52:11

just so disappointed in the results. Now,

52:17

this was diabolical because

52:20

this completely in the

52:22

only real study that

52:25

determined that tested in

52:28

a causal way the heart health

52:30

hypothesis, it showed that it not

52:32

only wasn't true but it was unhealthy. Imagine

52:34

if this would have come out before the 1992 Food

52:36

Pyramid came out which told us to eat a

52:39

T11 helping some grains. This is

52:42

why I want to tell your audience that this was

52:44

intentional. This wasn't an accident. They knew the information. They

52:46

knew we'd be sick. And if you go to Walmart

52:48

in any place of American look and lie and you'll

52:50

see the sickness of the American people. And

52:52

it's only partially their fault because they've

52:55

been given the wrong information. They've been

52:57

psy up. They've been gaslight. Yeah.

52:59

And it's the

53:01

ramifications of this are massive. I'm thinking like when

53:04

you're talking about cereal earlier,

53:06

like I was born in 91. I'm a

53:08

nineties kid. And

53:10

I think we got

53:13

the brunt of yes, cereal psy

53:15

up, which is like I remember

53:17

growing up fruity pebbles, fruit loops,

53:20

crispy, the cookie crisp, like

53:24

a fucking cereal called cookie

53:26

Chris cookie Chris. It was

53:28

awesome. Yeah, chocolate puffs, whatever

53:31

Reese's Puffs, cinnamon toast

53:33

crunch, like I was a cinnamon toast crunch

53:35

guy. We were inundated with

53:38

all the cereal propaganda on Nickelodeon in

53:40

the nineties. Yeah. And they were cheap.

53:42

They're like,

53:45

all right. And it said healthy. They're healthy for us. Yeah. And

53:48

it's so funny looking back. It was like nineties.

53:50

It was like cereal for breakfast candy was fun.

53:52

Depp where you literally take a stick, lick it

53:55

and dip it in sugar, put it in your

53:57

mouth and with our skim milk because you know,

53:59

we wanted such, we didn't, our cooked skim milk.

54:02

Yeah, dude, it was really insane. We took

54:05

to, because in 1980, the first

54:07

food guidelines came out and they

54:09

were relatively modest. They were insidious because they

54:11

were eat less meat. It was always eat

54:14

less meat, eat more grains, but it didn't

54:16

give exact portions to its

54:18

credit. 1992 changed that. The food

54:21

pyramid changed that. And you remember, like I

54:23

did, I grew up in the 90s where

54:25

every pizza place and sub shop had the

54:27

picture of it because it was like an

54:29

advertising forum. I

54:31

ate so much of that shit, I can't even tell you,

54:33

I mean, I ate so much of it and then when

54:35

I turned 16, I got cancer. Oh shit,

54:38

yeah. And I remember laying in my

54:40

hospital bed asking my doctor,

54:42

I'm like, what? Well, how

54:44

did I do this? Like what happened? I remember him saying, oh,

54:47

something you did.

54:49

Genetics or something, we don't really know how cancers cost.

54:51

Well, I intuitively knew I

54:53

had done something wrong to my body. I

54:56

consumed a lot of seed oils and sugar

55:00

and really

55:02

terrible foods. So

55:04

when I look back, I think what's

55:06

more surprising is that I wasn't sicker

55:09

or that so many other kids were

55:11

able to maybe have a little

55:13

genetic privilege as I would call it and be

55:15

able to sustain a diet like that. But I

55:17

find, I

55:20

guess what

55:22

I really want to emphasize is that this

55:25

was intentional. Like they knew the information was

55:27

out there and they did it anyways to

55:29

people. Do

55:32

you think it was more to control or

55:35

to hide the inflation? Hide

55:38

it because they can't control it because inflation

55:40

exists. So when

55:42

the USDA put out these guidelines and I get that

55:44

some people in your audience might be like, oh, it's

55:46

the government. Who gives a shit what the government says

55:48

about food? Well, keep in mind

55:51

when the USDA pushes out these guidelines, it

55:53

becomes all the land in every public

55:55

school in the country, every prison system,

55:58

every hospital, every nursing home. So

56:01

I go to school from you know first grade

56:03

to I Dropped out

56:06

of high school. So I you know, I got through

56:08

my junior year, but I Was

56:12

on a diet that by the time I came

56:14

out of it I was metabolically compromised by the

56:16

state Yeah, and I sometimes think about I do

56:18

these thought experiments where I try to think about

56:20

what? you think about

56:22

like the Wright brothers and how much

56:25

bravery It actually must have

56:28

taken they even tried to do what they did or

56:30

Edison Would they have done these

56:32

gifts with a public school diet

56:34

of cinnamon toast crunch bars? Would they

56:37

have had the mental gumption and independence to do

56:39

these things and then it makes me think about

56:41

all the gifts We're losing now when you look

56:43

at these fat flabby kids who can't

56:45

run down a soccer field well,

56:47

it's and The

56:49

problem gets worse just further you fall down the

56:51

economic ladder. So this is something I saw up

56:54

close and personal in Chicago

56:56

when I was living there I volunteered

56:59

and helped run an inner city lacrosse

57:01

program where we go to the west

57:03

side and Southside of

57:06

Chicago to Have

57:08

the kids get off the streets and play a sport

57:10

and what we focused on Was

57:12

lacrosse and that was the jarring thing

57:14

to me is like these schools that we would go

57:17

to they were in food deserts. And so The

57:20

guy who ran the program Sam Angelotta You'd

57:23

basically tell me like the day the

57:25

life of these kids which is You're

57:28

in a broken home Typically living with

57:30

your aunt and your or your mother

57:32

and your grandmother And

57:35

then you go to school and breakfast. It's not

57:37

made at home. You stop at the gas station

57:39

You get a honey bun and you

57:42

go to school then you

57:44

have a multitude of

57:46

factors creating a terrible environment for

57:49

children to learn let alone to

57:51

succeed and It's

57:55

the food and the broken home life that

57:57

really just creates this environment where it's literally

57:59

impossible for most of these kids to

58:01

never have success long in life.

58:03

And the food aspect of it too, think about how

58:06

much it fucks up your mind if you're starting your

58:08

day every day with a honey bun

58:11

and a dollar sugar drink from the

58:13

gas station, you're just hyperactive. Do you

58:15

feel it personally when you? Oh

58:18

yeah. Yeah, me too. I

58:21

think when I was younger I could stomach it more, because

58:23

you have so much energy. But as I

58:26

got older, I noticed I couldn't write

58:28

as well. If I eat like a piece of

58:30

shit, I can't. If I eat carbs, I can't.

58:33

Even little things like when I'm transferring notes, I

58:35

can't remember as much from one side to bring

58:37

to my computer. It goes from

58:39

one sentence, now I can remember three and a half.

58:41

My mind's getting younger and more

58:43

flexible the longer I persist on getting the

58:45

nutrients I need. Yeah, that was the one

58:47

thing, one of the biggest dietary

58:49

changes I ever made in my life is my early 20s, I

58:51

think it was 20 or 21. Like

58:54

again, I was psyched into thinking that Gatorade was

58:56

a healthy, great guy. Yeah, me too, yeah. I

58:58

like hydrated you. I mean, Michael Jordan drank it,

59:00

he was awesome. And so that was like

59:03

throughout college, it's like I would drink Gatorade.

59:07

And that was like my drink of choice, I'd be like,

59:09

I don't need water, I need the electrolytes of

59:11

Gatorade. And I

59:14

don't know what it was particularly, but at some point I was like,

59:16

I don't think this is good for me. I think just looking at

59:18

the sugar, I was like, this is too much sugar. So

59:20

I get Gatorade and sugary drinks. Went

59:23

to a liquid diet of water,

59:25

coffee, and alcohol sometime

59:28

time. But I had

59:30

to Gatorade out. Like I had severe

59:32

eczema my whole life. And it

59:34

went away. I haven't had it over

59:36

a decade. That's great. I'm pretty sure it's

59:38

because I cut out the sugary drinks. The

59:41

incestuousness of government

59:43

food is the

59:45

government food control, control the food supply. Nina

59:48

Teicholz has done great work in this field.

59:50

She wrote a book called The Big Fat Surprise,

59:52

I'd recommend everybody reads it. It really exposes a

59:55

lot of the corruption and the science behind

59:57

this. And she discovered that

59:59

not only- 95% of

1:00:01

the people on the USDA Food

1:00:03

Guidelines Committee are industry

1:00:05

hacks. They're

1:00:08

the ones coming up with this

1:00:12

data and it's not real science.

1:00:14

It's marketing and I can't emphasize

1:00:16

that enough. You

1:00:18

don't need these idiots to tell you what to eat. I

1:00:22

sometimes think about these people who spend

1:00:24

their life as nutritionists and spend years

1:00:26

researching it and conclude that fruit loops

1:00:28

are better than me. I can't. Your

1:00:31

life is a failure. Your whole

1:00:33

life is a failure if you spend years on that and

1:00:35

come out with that conclusion. I

1:00:38

want these people to look in the mirror. Dr.

1:00:41

Cody Fatima Stanford who's very

1:00:43

articulate and her white coat appearing on

1:00:45

60 Minutes saying that obesity

1:00:47

has nothing to do with lifestyle.

1:00:51

You're a hack. You're a

1:00:53

hack and you're vile because you're damaging

1:00:55

people because what you're doing is

1:00:58

you're separating people from one of the most fundamental

1:01:01

parts of existence which is control of our own

1:01:03

health. You want us to outsource,

1:01:06

control over our health to you and

1:01:08

the pharmaceutical companies. No.

1:01:11

No and it's laughable. Now sitting

1:01:13

here thinking about fruit

1:01:15

loops. Fruit loops is

1:01:17

the perfect example because it's literal. Like

1:01:20

cardboard chip sugar in it. It's

1:01:22

delicious too. It is. Well

1:01:24

that's the other thing. They literally. Are you talking

1:01:27

about it? The addictive substance. I'm like man I

1:01:29

really could go for a bowl of fruit loops

1:01:31

right now. Why is it an addictive substance? They

1:01:33

literally manufacture the addictive nature. Hyper-powdable, yeah. Yeah, they

1:01:36

have these scientists. That's the

1:01:38

other thing. You're talking about the corruption of Fiat

1:01:40

incentives to go like why

1:01:42

don't we have the Wright brothers these days? Like

1:01:44

why there's so few like actual innovators in

1:01:47

the physical world. Why

1:01:50

aren't we building great things? Why is all

1:01:52

the architecture shit? Had

1:01:54

an argument with my daughter about this last night. She's like

1:01:56

things are better fast. I'm like no no no. Fastest

1:01:59

airplane with a. I think in the 70s. Like

1:02:02

our new things now are really just plus

1:02:04

ones. We're adding on to

1:02:07

existing technologies. And it's breaking down, I

1:02:09

mean, and so the point I'm

1:02:11

trying to look at, the fiat has corrupted everything. We're

1:02:13

like the people who are really smart and could do

1:02:15

great things, like the incentives are such for the high

1:02:17

paying jobs or you're either Quana Wall Street or on

1:02:20

the side side, you're figuring out ways to make

1:02:22

people who are addicted to food. Friend

1:02:25

of the fiat money printer, flow of the money

1:02:27

fiat printer. John Yudkin experienced flow of the money

1:02:30

printer. He was a

1:02:32

great scientist who did lots

1:02:34

of amazing research linking sugar

1:02:37

to heart disease meat

1:02:39

meat. Yet he kind of died

1:02:42

in relative, not well

1:02:44

known. And so Keith

1:02:46

is a hero. Friend of the money printer, died

1:02:48

wealthy. This is the world

1:02:50

we live in today and that's why Bitcoin's important. Every time you

1:02:52

buy a little bit of Bitcoin, you

1:02:54

take a shot at the money printer and you make it

1:02:56

a little more difficult and

1:02:58

you make the illusion that they perpetuate the distortions

1:03:00

that they continue, you

1:03:03

make them a little more strung out.

1:03:06

Yeah. And another great example I wrote about it last week

1:03:08

is Boeing. Seeing airplanes and the

1:03:10

fact that we haven't built, we

1:03:13

haven't like surpassed the benchmarks at the 70s

1:03:15

in terms of speed and

1:03:18

safety. With all the Boeing

1:03:21

Air Maxes that are going down, having the

1:03:23

doors ripped out, having the engines break

1:03:25

mid-flight, having the wheels fall off, Well,

1:03:29

they brought in a McKinsey consultant as

1:03:31

their CEO in 2005 and

1:03:34

he ran the company for 10 years. And

1:03:36

when he came in, he told all the

1:03:38

engineers, like, hey, we've reached the pinnacle of

1:03:43

where we're gonna get to in terms of engineering new

1:03:46

airplanes and engines. We're

1:03:50

not gonna focus on engineering anymore. Like we're focused on stock

1:03:52

price. So if you look at, I believe

1:03:54

it was 2003 to 2018, of

1:04:00

their profits embarking

1:04:03

in stock buybacks to juice their stock price. And

1:04:05

if you look at their stock price over that

1:04:07

time, it now performed the S&P

1:04:09

by many multiples. And so, again,

1:04:11

Fiat Incentives corrupting

1:04:13

a company

1:04:16

that's been around for over a century, Boeing,

1:04:19

and they over

1:04:21

the last 20 years completely neglected their core

1:04:23

competency, which is building reliable,

1:04:25

safe, innovative airplanes delivering

1:04:27

the market. And they

1:04:29

focused on the

1:04:31

Fiat game, which is like, hey, we

1:04:33

just need to increase shareholder value by

1:04:36

driving our stock prices. So instead

1:04:38

of reinvesting profits and actually designing and

1:04:41

bringing good jets to market, they just

1:04:43

pop-pack stock to take the lower the

1:04:45

denominator of their share flow so that

1:04:47

the price will go up and

1:04:50

they get rewarded. Even though you're

1:04:52

saying this and your podcast is very well listened to

1:04:55

and other people know this, it's still going

1:04:57

to work out to their advantage. I'm convinced.

1:05:02

They're going to keep, the people at the time, they're going to keep

1:05:04

making a lot of money. Dr.

1:05:06

Fatima Stanford, despite being

1:05:09

an intellectual, you

1:05:11

know, half-wit, got

1:05:14

appointed to the USDA food

1:05:16

guidelines board. So I

1:05:19

mean, she got a promotion for her stupidity

1:05:21

and saying that on 60 Minutes and it's

1:05:23

becoming more. I had my

1:05:25

wife's a Montessori school teacher. She's

1:05:29

going to love me saying this. Some

1:05:31

kid was eating a whole bunch of sugar in class

1:05:33

and somebody

1:05:36

was like, you got to be careful. You

1:05:38

don't want to get diabetes. And another person in

1:05:40

the school interrupted. I was like, actually, no, sugar

1:05:43

does not, when he found out sugar does not

1:05:45

cause diabetes anymore. It's

1:05:47

part of the PSYOP. I mean, of course sugar.

1:05:50

It's glucose. I

1:05:53

mean, they used to

1:05:55

test diabetes back in, you know,

1:05:57

ancient Greece by how bees were

1:06:00

attracted to your urine. I

1:06:02

mean, yeah. I want

1:06:04

interesting visual to put into everybody's mind,

1:06:06

but of course it's sugar. We all

1:06:08

know it's sugar, but no, it's

1:06:10

meat. It's meat. Everything

1:06:13

is meat now because the temperatures

1:06:15

meet. Population

1:06:18

it's all, everything will be blamed on meat and

1:06:20

we should eat like 16th century peasants

1:06:23

which is our grains. It's

1:06:26

a, well not only the grains, but they want to see

1:06:28

the bugs too. Yeah

1:06:31

that's coming. But I feel like there's, it's

1:06:33

been kind of publicized enough where there's enough pushback.

1:06:36

It seems like they've slowed down. They were pushing

1:06:38

it, but they've slowed it down a little bit

1:06:40

so I'm hoping that we keep mentioning the bugs

1:06:42

because every time we do I think it, it,

1:06:46

it, they don't want to move too quickly

1:06:48

too fast because what this is

1:06:50

is a slow boil. If they were to

1:06:52

propose these kinds of things in 1972, we

1:06:55

would have rejected them out of, out of hand,

1:06:57

but you know, they keep us boiling. They kept

1:07:00

raising the temperature up on

1:07:02

us slowly. We don't notice how

1:07:04

quickly things have actually changed. And

1:07:08

it's really again nefarious and fucked

1:07:11

up when you think about it because like what is, like

1:07:14

is the sanctity of perpetuating the

1:07:16

Fiat monetary system worth all the

1:07:19

collateral damage? Yes, it's the most

1:07:21

powerful weapon that these individuals will

1:07:23

ever have, that the world has

1:07:25

ever seen, the weaponizing the entire

1:07:28

productive labor of everybody

1:07:30

to like, they just need to hold on

1:07:32

to it. They just need to hold on

1:07:34

to it. And that's why I

1:07:36

love that you have this podcast because every time you

1:07:38

talk, I mean, every, every podcast I've

1:07:41

listened to for a while, you

1:07:43

really expose the intellectual roots. You

1:07:45

start pulling this shit out. And

1:07:48

every like one person at a time, right? It's

1:07:51

all it takes. Well, it's

1:07:54

fitting that we're sitting here having this conversation.

1:07:56

I'm very happy. Number one,

1:07:58

that it's with you. Number two, that it's in person. Cause this

1:08:00

is TFDC episode 500. Damn,

1:08:03

I was telling your assistant, I'm like, balloons

1:08:05

do we get? Maybe some like cheese puffs

1:08:08

come from the sky. How does it work

1:08:10

out? Cheese puffs. That was another one. We

1:08:12

were addicted, they were Jax. Jax was

1:08:15

the brand of cheese puffs that we like growing up.

1:08:17

I had uts, cause I grew up in Pennsylvania. I

1:08:19

was, so I don't know if you know Bloomsburg. Yeah,

1:08:22

my dad was a professor at Bloomsburg University. And

1:08:25

that's what we were in Chicago originally, kind

1:08:27

of like parallel a bit. And my parents,

1:08:30

my dad got a job at the university.

1:08:32

So moved to Pennsylvania. Uts

1:08:34

was a big deal there. The Uts family has a

1:08:36

very famous

1:08:38

house on the coast of Jersey

1:08:41

and Avalon. It's hidden in the dunes and you

1:08:43

can go see, if

1:08:45

you slow down your car, you can see, they

1:08:48

have like a golden pretzels. Oh, that's cool.

1:08:50

I had french fries for the first time

1:08:52

in three years last night because

1:08:54

they were fried in lard and tallow. And

1:08:57

I, at a restaurant here, I'm gonna say

1:08:59

it wrong, Dai Doi. Yeah, it

1:09:01

was hard to get in and it was like expensive,

1:09:03

but it was worth it. That's

1:09:06

one thing that gives me hopes that people

1:09:08

are waking up, intimate like my wife has

1:09:10

a total seed oil knots, you know. Like

1:09:12

she's reading every package,

1:09:15

their ingredients, looking

1:09:18

for seed oils, not buying it. If seed oils are

1:09:20

included, we

1:09:23

buy beef and bulk and

1:09:25

it comes with tallow. So we'll cook things in

1:09:27

tallow, but other things like ziki, there's

1:09:30

another food truck chain,

1:09:32

I guess you can say here in Austin that

1:09:34

they do everything, the beef tallow. Ziki,

1:09:37

it's called. Yes. Okay. Z-E-K-E,

1:09:40

Z-I-K-I. Okay. I

1:09:45

was a pub key in New York

1:09:47

for the having on Friday.

1:09:49

Oh, nice. How was that? It was great.

1:09:51

Incredible event. So there's a big community in

1:09:53

New York as well? Yes. There's

1:09:57

an outpost that you can

1:09:59

find. A

1:10:01

paratec, paratec, some misfit. Yes.

1:10:04

And they moved

1:10:07

all their frying to beef tallow. Nice.

1:10:10

Actually just went live last week. It's

1:10:12

weird because we're going back in time because in

1:10:14

1990 McDonald's and Perc came fried to fries and

1:10:16

beef tallow until the corporate funded studies

1:10:18

came out telling you, oh my gosh, no, you can't

1:10:20

do that. We need corn,

1:10:23

soy, all these seed oils and

1:10:25

they flooded into the market with

1:10:29

corn. They're subsidies and this

1:10:31

is what we get. You go to Mexico,

1:10:33

it's sugar in their coke

1:10:35

because the subsidies for sugar and you're not,

1:10:38

they are here, it's different. It's

1:10:41

one of my favorite long lost clips is

1:10:43

of Julia Child holding up

1:10:45

a McDonald's French fry right after they

1:10:47

transitioned away from beef tallow into seed

1:10:49

oil. She's like, I'll never eat it.

1:10:52

Eat a McDonald's fry again. Like they moved

1:10:54

off of beef tallow. So

1:10:57

Julia Child being included on that back then

1:10:59

was interesting enough. There were

1:11:01

people who were in the know were like, no, this is a bad

1:11:03

idea. It was still forced on the market.

1:11:06

I really believe that we can't, it's

1:11:08

hard to see. I got a

1:11:10

great blurb from Tucker Carlson who's a

1:11:13

real inspiration to me on my

1:11:15

book and he was talking about in the blurb

1:11:17

how the

1:11:20

American diet has made it difficult to think

1:11:22

clearly. Yeah. And as a result,

1:11:24

you can't really understand what they've done to the American. And I

1:11:26

think about that a lot. It

1:11:29

has compromised us quite a bit where

1:11:31

if you're in the fog, you stay

1:11:33

in the fog. But if I can

1:11:35

implore your audience and just try it

1:11:37

for a few days, just try

1:11:39

getting off the sugar addiction and the carb addiction

1:11:41

and just try eating some meat and

1:11:44

you'll find that it's worth it. And

1:11:46

I know it's expensive to get a

1:11:49

ribeye, but it's more expensive

1:11:51

to be laid up in a hospital

1:11:53

and to deal with a lot of those issues

1:11:55

and get your insulin shots and have

1:11:58

the lower time preference. And it's

1:12:01

a good thing. It's crazy how fast it can

1:12:03

work, too I think my my eczema used to

1:12:05

be the bane of my existence like it

1:12:07

would get Really

1:12:10

self-conscious about it because it would flare up to be

1:12:12

all over my arms You think it's from the dye

1:12:14

indicator a I don't know. I think it was the

1:12:16

sugar 40 ingredients So it's hard to

1:12:18

pick out one right, but it was like at

1:12:20

the same time. I like cut out carbs as much as

1:12:23

possible, too and It

1:12:25

went away within a couple weeks, and it has

1:12:27

been back for a decade I think that is

1:12:30

I think it's a testament to the human body Like we can

1:12:32

fill it with a bunch of this shit for a while You

1:12:35

should feel blessed that you had that happen to you

1:12:37

too in a sense I know that sounds awful to

1:12:39

say but just because it was a tell like your

1:12:42

body's a tell and you were doing something wrong And

1:12:44

it shifted you to modify your behavior It's like you

1:12:46

know if you put your hand on a stove you

1:12:48

don't want to remove the sensation of burning You

1:12:51

want to make sure you feel that so you've moved your

1:12:53

fucking hand. Yeah, right you moved your hand And now look

1:12:55

at you you feel much better. Yeah, great and

1:12:58

it's something uh Not

1:13:01

too young kids to it. That's something like how

1:13:03

old are your kids for and almost to man

1:13:05

I have a 20 year old a 17 year old a nine

1:13:08

year old and a 12 year old oh All

1:13:11

girls all I brought one of them

1:13:13

with me to Austin and she got

1:13:15

she got orange build at the event

1:13:17

That's did you find that you couldn't

1:13:20

do the orange building? That's what I found people close to

1:13:22

my life whenever I tried orange fill in there like shut

1:13:24

up But then somebody else tells me

1:13:26

like I think you were right Yeah, that's

1:13:28

that it feels a little bit like that I did

1:13:30

make her listen to the book the

1:13:32

audiobook version of fiat food on the way

1:13:34

up here And she was very good about

1:13:37

that she pretended to listen and had interesting

1:13:39

questions It's

1:13:41

it's a her generation is she

1:13:43

was explained to me she

1:13:46

thinks they're ready for this sort of message because

1:13:48

they're Becoming skeptical these

1:13:50

are children of COVID now like they

1:13:52

have a they have a they have a They

1:13:54

have a history that you and I

1:13:56

can't really understand like been years of their

1:13:58

childhood taken away from them So I think

1:14:01

they're beginning to be like what the fuck. Yeah at

1:14:03

first they were scared now They're like autumn I put the fuck

1:14:05

with that, you know, and they're angry as

1:14:07

they should be. Yeah, I think I mean

1:14:11

We see them our oldest my oldest was born in

1:14:13

February of 2020. We're lucky. We were in New York

1:14:15

We were one of the last families that were actually

1:14:17

able I was able to be there in the delivery

1:14:19

room We had our parents in

1:14:21

the waiting room. I think a week later

1:14:23

when they were like, nobody could be in

1:14:25

the hospital Wow For

1:14:29

my oldest son, I think for the

1:14:31

first two years of his life everybody was wearing a mask He

1:14:33

has a speech delay and we're pretty confident

1:14:35

that it was because of that. He literally In

1:14:38

this formative years wasn't seeing people move their

1:14:40

lips and articulate and so he had no

1:14:43

reference point from which to develop his own

1:14:45

speech Is he is it coming? Yeah,

1:14:48

it's coming back. He's much better. But

1:14:51

When he was like to start to talk He's like

1:14:54

a what a weird social experiment because how many

1:14:56

social cues people get from your face, especially children

1:14:58

they're trying to grow up and understand and learn

1:15:00

and Luckily

1:15:03

we were already in Patagonia, Arizona at that

1:15:05

time. I've never put a mask on I

1:15:07

refused Part

1:15:09

of it was like I'm a dad. I want my kids to

1:15:12

see me math. What does that say about their dad and I

1:15:16

But I was also fortunate I'm a writer like

1:15:18

it would would I've been so brave if I

1:15:20

had to go to a job where? My

1:15:23

family's livelihood depended on me. I I like

1:15:26

to think I would have been but I don't know that's difficult

1:15:28

Yeah, I mean, that's part of the reason we came down here

1:15:32

We're lucky we escaped to The

1:15:35

confines of South Jersey in Cape Bay

1:15:37

County. We thought we were gonna be

1:15:39

there for two weeks We were there for 18 months, but Where

1:15:43

we were it's a sleepy Beach

1:15:45

town in the off-season. I know Cape May.

1:15:47

Yeah, and those people didn't live in Brooklyn

1:15:49

Cape May with the gas pot. Yeah Like

1:15:52

we didn't we didn't wear masks everywhere But

1:15:55

still we were on this island and everybody's

1:15:57

mainly isolated. So we didn't see many people

1:16:00

For the first 18 months of my son's life, obviously

1:16:04

towards summer

1:16:06

2021, I think everybody was like,

1:16:08

all right, we're going to go to the beach. We'll

1:16:11

be fine. But, you know,

1:16:13

simple interactions with people wearing masks throughout that,

1:16:15

even if it wasn't every day, I think

1:16:17

it was enough. You

1:16:20

know, they've conditioned us, though, to

1:16:23

when I wrote this book, it occurred to

1:16:25

me how long standing the attempt to get

1:16:28

to the point where they could mandate masks and

1:16:30

we would accept it. Because

1:16:33

really, you know, with fiat currency,

1:16:37

when they removed, when

1:16:40

Nixon decoupled, they essentially

1:16:42

took away our ability to control

1:16:44

what we earn. Because unless you own the

1:16:46

fiat money printer, you don't control your productivity.

1:16:49

Saying you own your money is a slogan. It's

1:16:51

a fucking slogan. It's not true. I

1:16:53

don't because somebody else can make as much of it as they want.

1:16:56

My Bitcoin I own. Nobody, I have my keys.

1:16:58

Nobody can make more of my Bitcoin. But

1:17:02

then with food, they, by telling us

1:17:04

what we could eat and couldn't eat, they

1:17:06

really extended

1:17:10

their ability for control. And

1:17:12

I really feel like the vaccine was the

1:17:15

next step logically. Like now it's we don't

1:17:17

have control over, we don't have control over

1:17:19

our productive labor. We don't have control over

1:17:21

our health. We have to

1:17:23

outsource that. So we become dependent on real experts

1:17:25

who are going to tell us how to eat,

1:17:29

what value our money will have, and

1:17:31

what drugs we need to be injected with

1:17:33

by which pharmaceutical companies, how often and when.

1:17:36

That's where we are. Yeah. And

1:17:40

you think about the clown, like it is so

1:17:42

insane once you see it, you cannot see it.

1:17:45

And then you're like, how does nobody else see this? Like

1:17:47

just the the ploys

1:17:50

that were used, particularly around the vaccine that

1:17:52

compound a lot of what we're talking about

1:17:54

right now. Like you had a

1:17:56

focus on was the mayor before Adams. It

1:18:00

was, oh, I knew, I knew

1:18:02

the de Blasio. De Blasio, yeah, de Blasio,

1:18:05

I mean like, if

1:18:07

you go get your vaccine, we'll give

1:18:09

you free shake shack. So like, go get the, go

1:18:11

get the experimental vaccine

1:18:13

and then we'll reward you with

1:18:16

some seed oil soaked fried food. Marty

1:18:18

it's because they fucking hate you. It's

1:18:20

the only explanation I could come up with. They

1:18:23

fucking hate us. I mean eating the fries like a slob

1:18:25

in the press conference and it's like literally looking at the-

1:18:28

I mean, I'm a little too, he was a

1:18:30

public advocate when I was there and I can

1:18:32

tell you personally he's a complete piece of shit.

1:18:34

He would show up late to everything. He just,

1:18:36

no respect that he was sloven late and take

1:18:38

care of himself and I could not believe he

1:18:40

got elected mayor. I mean, it's almost

1:18:43

comical to me. It was like the least

1:18:45

exceptional human beings get appointed to these positions

1:18:47

of power because they have this special

1:18:49

skill of acquiring

1:18:52

power somehow and it's amazing to me. Well, you

1:18:55

brought up Tucker. I mean, he was on Rogan

1:18:57

over the weekend. I didn't get to hear that.

1:18:59

Well, I didn't watch the whole thing yet, but

1:19:02

I did see this one clip that actually Parker

1:19:04

sent me last night

1:19:06

in which they were talking about

1:19:09

Speaker of the House Mike Johnson and

1:19:11

the fact that he was marketed on

1:19:15

the right as somebody who would get in there

1:19:17

and he'd like fight for the

1:19:19

rights. He'd

1:19:21

fight for the conservative movement and really push

1:19:24

things along to fight back against the

1:19:26

left. That's

1:19:29

how he was marketed. He's got in and

1:19:31

obviously they just signed this bill, sending more

1:19:33

money to Ukraine and it seems everybody's like,

1:19:36

what the fuck? He was marketed as this

1:19:38

guy who's going to fix things and he hasn't done anything.

1:19:40

In fact, he's gone the complete opposite

1:19:43

direction. He's buddied up with the left and Tucker

1:19:47

made this point and said, yes, it's what

1:19:49

people empower one is

1:19:52

weak man positions of influence.

1:20:00

behind him who have the actual

1:20:02

power. Same thing with de Blasio, like a weak

1:20:04

man. So I have some questions, like

1:20:06

how do these people get in? It's like they're

1:20:08

identified as weak men

1:20:10

who have a very loose

1:20:13

moral compass who will blow at the wind

1:20:15

when it is advantageous to them. And that's

1:20:19

whose put in these positions of power.

1:20:21

So whether it's de Blasio or

1:20:23

Mike Johnson, that's

1:20:26

how we end up these caricatures

1:20:28

of the people who are supposed to

1:20:31

be fighting

1:20:33

for American citizens at the end of

1:20:35

the day. That makes a lot of

1:20:37

sense. And I'd love to read that book at

1:20:39

some point. I mean, I

1:20:41

find Tucker Carlson remarkably insightful and just like

1:20:44

yourself, like he's going to be moving into

1:20:46

different... I'm so happy he's freed himself from

1:20:48

Fox News because I think the long form

1:20:50

format fits him so much better because

1:20:53

he's very, very thoughtful and it's just difficult. I've

1:20:55

been on his show when he had his Fox

1:20:57

News show and you know you

1:20:59

have a little bit of time and but he's

1:21:02

not that guy. He never was that guy. He

1:21:04

was always long. He should have always been... This

1:21:06

is much more natural and he'll be much more effective.

1:21:09

Fox News should have never fucking fired that guy

1:21:11

because now he's off the chain. Yeah. And now

1:21:13

he can talk to us directly. And he's probably

1:21:15

gonna make more money in the long run too.

1:21:17

I think that, I mean, and

1:21:19

you've seen it whether it's Tucker, Megan

1:21:22

Kelly, on the other side, Don

1:21:24

Lemon, Chris Cuomo. We're

1:21:26

seeing all these people came

1:21:30

up in legacy media begin

1:21:32

to defect and be like, no, I can do this

1:21:34

independently. Yeah, I find that whole thing fascinating too. I

1:21:36

wrote a book about Matt Chiraj. I don't know if

1:21:38

you know who that is and

1:21:40

just how he changed media. And

1:21:43

I have a movie coming out to that effect. I wrote

1:21:45

the screenplay for my first adventure in the screen, right? And

1:21:47

I'm excited about that. But the

1:21:49

whole switch of media is always long fascinated

1:21:52

me. And it really began, I remember when

1:21:54

Matt came out with his website in

1:21:56

the early nineties because ahead of then there was

1:21:58

a monopoly of four network. that

1:22:01

if they, and a few magazines and

1:22:03

a newspaper, that if they're gatekeepers of

1:22:05

information, so they would tell us what

1:22:07

we needed to know, but they would, you

1:22:09

know, what they thought we needed to know. MatchRudge

1:22:12

broke that, but then, I

1:22:14

know we're going off subject a little bit, but then

1:22:16

immediate got consolidated again. Like the

1:22:18

internet was the promise of freedom, the

1:22:20

populist movement of information, and then it

1:22:22

all got consolidated again by Google. Apple,

1:22:25

these tech companies, it's very interesting, but now

1:22:27

you're seeing it break apart again. With

1:22:30

you, and Tucker, and

1:22:32

Rogan, and these characters who get

1:22:34

wide audiences by really just putting

1:22:36

on heretical ideas, and letting people

1:22:39

discuss them. Amazing, man. Well, congratulations,

1:22:41

by the way. Thank you. 500

1:22:44

episodes is something to be proud of. And

1:22:47

I stumbled into this, I didn't even want to. I

1:22:50

studied economics and was just really into

1:22:52

Bitcoin. Who's

1:22:54

gonna wanna hear somebody talk about economics

1:22:56

for a fucking hour and a half

1:22:58

a day? That's ridiculous. That's the thing,

1:23:00

and Rogan's always said this, and part

1:23:04

of the reason why the format of the

1:23:06

show is the way it is, is like

1:23:08

the long form discussion enables

1:23:10

so much more exploration

1:23:12

of topics that deserve more than

1:23:15

90 second speed

1:23:17

hits. I was telling people last night in Austin about

1:23:19

this, about how back then you could fake it. You

1:23:21

didn't even have to know your information. It was so

1:23:24

short, you could do like two and a half minutes

1:23:26

and just have a few slogans, you say. We

1:23:28

know it's more effective anyways, because you needed sound bites,

1:23:30

right? You can't fake it anymore.

1:23:33

You're gonna have somebody out for an hour and a

1:23:35

half, they better fucking know what they're talking about, or

1:23:37

they'll be exposed, and it'd be very obvious, and

1:23:40

I love that about the new format. Yeah,

1:23:42

and then the other end, there's interviewing, like

1:23:44

you better know what questions to ask, and

1:23:46

you can't just be like a pretty face

1:23:48

in front of the camera. Yeah, interesting.

1:23:50

But you are a pretty face, Rogan. I'm just gonna

1:23:52

throw that out there. I'll take you with you. No,

1:23:56

it's exciting. It's also, it's exhilarating. It Feels like

1:23:58

we're in this crazy inflection. The point where

1:24:01

a specially post Ovid. Many.

1:24:03

People are waking up at the

1:24:05

same time. The incumbency Out system

1:24:07

is doubling or tripling downs as

1:24:09

they lose control. And so that's.

1:24:12

The big question in my mind of the next

1:24:14

five years, particularly is. How.

1:24:17

Does this narrative battle emails and

1:24:19

who wins out ultimately because there's

1:24:21

a lot at stake? My my

1:24:23

take on a present. People are

1:24:25

generally misled by believing that this

1:24:27

is a battle between the left

1:24:29

in a riot I guess. Has

1:24:31

it that this is a daughter

1:24:33

for self autonomy by individuals who

1:24:35

are done with. With. Being

1:24:38

taught how to live, how to

1:24:40

breed, what to inject themselves with

1:24:42

a which flavored cheetos to eat

1:24:45

is a battle of ideas. and

1:24:47

it's about over control of nodes.

1:24:50

Any. Specific group of people, but. Individuals

1:24:53

across the country wanting to retain control

1:24:55

themselves again and to own their own

1:24:58

lives. At. That's. Very.

1:25:00

Important thing to highlight and. I've

1:25:04

mentioned this many times. Last

1:25:06

you have said: Michael Goldstein

1:25:08

Spic Block Boom Twenty Twenty

1:25:11

Nine. Assume it's way nineteen.

1:25:13

Presentation on rhetoric and me

1:25:15

more fair. Has.

1:25:18

Had a profound impression on my life

1:25:20

and I view a lot of what's

1:25:23

going on the world. Who, nor do

1:25:25

I find that is on it's on

1:25:27

Youtube. Yeah, Surgeon Michael Goldstein A Bit

1:25:30

Block Room Twenty nineteen at Blackburn. Big

1:25:32

Boon Okay, I'm going to the art

1:25:34

of bitcoin rhetoric from. Obviously,

1:25:37

focus on like the rhetoric Pick Corner

1:25:39

should be using to get across messages

1:25:41

effectively erm. And really.

1:25:44

Approaches the from first principles. Perspective.

1:25:47

On rhetoric generally in one thing.

1:25:50

That. The media and the incumbent power

1:25:52

structure does very well is used

1:25:54

a rhetorical. Track of framing things

1:25:56

a certain way where the box you into

1:25:58

a frame and less. Birthright

1:26:01

Mail is the predominant

1:26:03

frame. That. Everybody is caught

1:26:05

on hook, line and sinker and

1:26:07

you just put in this boxes

1:26:10

rhetorical box. Where. You're.

1:26:12

Told this is where the discourse

1:26:14

happens. This is the the battle

1:26:16

lines at. Exist in

1:26:18

which you have to earn strategically.

1:26:21

Move within. His is not true

1:26:23

only passages and blessing. In.

1:26:25

A They. Do. Not let them put you in

1:26:27

their frame. You have to own the frame for them.

1:26:30

To that point, six switching frames not

1:26:32

left first rate. It's individual versus power

1:26:34

structure that one for take away or

1:26:37

autonomy. Exact. Way, I think

1:26:39

that's exactly what it does to corvette

1:26:41

as individuals want to take were autonomy

1:26:43

saw balmy. Agreeing with you, Marty, it's

1:26:45

about. You. Green that I have the right to do

1:26:47

it. With. The fuck I want. Songs are

1:26:49

not hurting anybody. Dairies I wish my was

1:26:52

made in. our philosophies were more complicated really

1:26:54

boils down to that. Just leave me alone

1:26:56

in my son. the hurting anybody for the

1:26:58

yeah and that's I mean, that's honestly earth.

1:27:03

The. Paradox of it all is it is.

1:27:05

Actually it's more so. It's like when

1:27:07

you. Get. Back to first principles.

1:27:09

Like very simple terms. Just.

1:27:11

Let people. Do what they want

1:27:14

to do, as long as they're. Not

1:27:16

hurting anybody else in there

1:27:19

and is it interact in

1:27:21

consensual agreements with other individuals?

1:27:23

Erm. The. Speed. Find.

1:27:25

To do that and and what, they've done

1:27:27

it a food supply. What? They've

1:27:29

done by concealing the information by

1:27:32

manipulating the science. By. Weaponizing

1:27:34

if yeah many printer on the name

1:27:36

and stored in. The.

1:27:39

Effects and consequences of monetary inflation I

1:27:41

would argue is the most most consequential

1:27:44

crime and of the century because what

1:27:46

it does is it makes us dependence.

1:27:48

By. Compromising our health metabolic li.

1:27:52

It's not like four percent of the

1:27:54

population has diabetes. It's.

1:27:56

Like we're approaching half of pre die.

1:27:58

I mean it. In our younger

1:28:01

kids your they're growing up there by

1:28:03

most it on now by the time

1:28:05

of fourteen muslim a significant number are

1:28:07

already could be dependent. They.

1:28:09

Don't have yourself autonomy there to be dependent on

1:28:12

the medical system. They're really become part of it

1:28:14

and there's no good Ending does no good any

1:28:16

new that. And san

1:28:18

the Ltv of a. Generation.

1:28:21

Alpha than gens, he said. The.

1:28:24

Pharmaceutical. Industry as. oh

1:28:29

that industry is probably multiples was in

1:28:31

said he go through the paper I

1:28:34

went through like some of the papers

1:28:36

I got access to about with Pharma

1:28:38

and. In. The argument or

1:28:40

kept coming up with how. This

1:28:42

is bees weight loss shots. Which.

1:28:44

You are we're talking about earlier are gonna

1:28:46

replace Dad Ends as the most profitable drug

1:28:49

in the history of the world because you

1:28:51

get a kid on it and eleven. This

1:28:54

a lifelong trying to check off and get the

1:28:56

shot. well until the a sex become to at

1:28:58

the Nintendo switch. It. For

1:29:00

the effects are like crazy people literally dime

1:29:03

a choking on their of shit because it

1:29:05

paralyzes Dominican. It is. I

1:29:07

mean, nature matters. Rain like nature. And hell

1:29:09

there's There's the synchronicity, and there's doesn't have

1:29:11

shot to scan to make you skinny. Don't

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think for your stomach the second we're. Beating

1:29:17

ship and experience it is it's It's amazing

1:29:20

to have his new just stop eating shit

1:29:22

is like I wish I could give them

1:29:24

more complicated. It's dietary advice to anybody but

1:29:26

you stop eating toxins. That

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go. Back to the foods the eight hundred years

1:29:30

ago, your good. Know. By.

1:29:33

Right now with are like day amount

1:29:36

of sugar were consuming right now is

1:29:38

over a hundred and fifty pounds a

1:29:40

year. in the seventeen hundreds the average

1:29:42

person eight four pounds and I'd some

1:29:44

explain to me warm you know people

1:29:46

evolve. Now he don't have all

1:29:48

like that about illusionism worked out quickly. We've

1:29:50

been here a long time. Two or three

1:29:53

hundred years is a tiny drop in the

1:29:55

water. We have not evolved, which is why

1:29:57

I'm. Gary. Since said about the

1:29:59

com. My not it is.

1:30:02

Crazy when you look at. Would. Be

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raw footage from the seventies and a

1:30:07

line of people. Star Wars over the

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and right there are Skinny was clear

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complex since in the Netflix one of

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the go to be role for his

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users like Cnn and Msnbc is like

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the bottom. It

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is. It.

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Alarming. Said.

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What he outlay can make people and house

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that they are. He. Thought about the

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kings of medieval times the front of

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wells like they weren't even asset know

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any he go back like the nineties.

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the movies of the line either they're

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sick com. And. The caricature of

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a fat person different looks pretty healthy. the

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your see of Chicago Rae I'm I'm from

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Philly, Russia with the causes fum obsessed with

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a nineteen eighty five Chicago Bears was the

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last he met Aus seven at a time

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and I william the refrigerator Perry was a

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parody for his side. He would be undersized

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today as a defensive lineman t weight of

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a little over three hundred pounds a right

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now he wouldn't be able to make you

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know he to be too small. It's.

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Insane now. Decent.

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Girl, what's what's reception to? Looked

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like Safari as you? Okay, so.

1:31:18

Shockingly. Good. I mean I, it's.

1:31:21

Been. Pretty astounded by it's I

1:31:23

wrote. It is a passion project I'm I

1:31:25

didn't expect to make any money on this

1:31:28

book. I I just thought it was important.

1:31:30

I have four daughters. I wanted them to

1:31:32

read it. In. I

1:31:34

went. I never have self published

1:31:36

so I I went with Safes

1:31:38

publishing house and. I. Know the

1:31:40

he has a big finally bus is a

1:31:42

weird niche topic see us who like wife

1:31:44

and I also knew that I will be

1:31:46

a be get the publicity I traditionally get

1:31:49

from my more you know when I used

1:31:51

to not be a heretical journalist when I

1:31:53

used to be considered a mainstream journalists on

1:31:55

but as being am currently. Are

1:31:58

translated into different languages, Home

1:32:00

and and Norway and I

1:32:02

couldn't have been. More.

1:32:05

Surprises one of these books it that you

1:32:07

know if you published before Marty I'm sorry

1:32:09

have not. Something. I need

1:32:11

to Earth. Is. Traditionally what happens is

1:32:13

the book comes out in or is a huge

1:32:15

like wave of sells sells and then it dies.

1:32:19

This. Has been growing the opposite. Where.

1:32:22

It seems to be picking up momentum. Which.

1:32:25

Ah miss. Really gratifying. I'm very very

1:32:27

very appreciative and appreciative. Are you happy?

1:32:29

Me on and letting me share this

1:32:31

story? Know else an important stories and

1:32:33

I think. That

1:32:35

friendlier seeing as a testament to said we

1:32:37

we have been touch your to that people

1:32:40

are starving for this information pun intended. As

1:32:44

a I think into deadly for

1:32:46

the people verbalize it will recognize

1:32:48

it. Explicitly

1:32:51

if they know something's off on social

1:32:54

media nog once once every two days

1:32:56

maybe I'll get a message from somebody

1:32:58

decides to change my life and it's

1:33:00

really gratifying to me to hear this

1:33:02

because I also just have to bring

1:33:05

it back to safe because his to

1:33:07

their seeds and changed my life and

1:33:09

chapter in Fi are centered on see

1:33:11

our food and to be able to

1:33:14

do an indepth investigation in really spell

1:33:16

it out i over two hundred citations

1:33:18

i'd be I bring all the receipts

1:33:20

on. This one is the argument. I

1:33:23

know it sounds really far out there,

1:33:25

that's why a meticulously go over every

1:33:27

detail and I try to tell it

1:33:30

in a narrative staff moving. Approach

1:33:33

but. I. Mean, I.

1:33:35

I. Couldn't be more proud of this book. It's actually.

1:33:38

Have all the things I've read in and

1:33:40

I've. Been. I've britain movies, I've

1:33:42

had my life portrayed in a

1:33:45

tv show. I'm going on a

1:33:47

kosher. You know? I've. Read.

1:33:49

A lot of books, hundreds of magazine

1:33:51

and newspaper articles. I've done nothing in

1:33:53

my life aside from having my children

1:33:55

and my family on that. I'm more

1:33:57

proud of them. this than this. Works.

1:34:00

That's. Awesome new you. Do.

1:34:03

You still have hope that we'll get back

1:34:05

to. Main. Or. Consider

1:34:07

this good journalism. Seems.

1:34:10

Like journalism and fan dying to certain

1:34:12

extent that you guys somebody like Tucker,

1:34:14

he got you. This is Journalism Glenn

1:34:16

Greenwald. There's still some really great journalist

1:34:18

out there and I'm. A.

1:34:21

I'm. A I'm hopeful that journalism's going

1:34:23

to be saved by enchilada shares on

1:34:25

us, some a turn off the Tv,

1:34:27

get all I need of at Risk

1:34:29

and ser una general journalism and a

1:34:31

lot of cases. It's a yarn and

1:34:33

yeah, The have you

1:34:35

ever listen illusion of hurt us. With.

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The yeah I have a mile or com

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a key. I grew I born in seventy

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seven so Adam Curry sort of a legend.

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America. That have been air as the

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was a I love that they do. Is.

1:34:50

Just. Taken new segment and. Completely.

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Dismantle in point out like her buses

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are made of at for be picked

1:35:00

for with the avatar literally paying the

1:35:02

get stories that. People. Take

1:35:04

away cannabis as science of with know that was

1:35:06

paid for tendency. There's a study. Oh my what

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my. I was showing my daughter a study recently

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and it was about. Candy.

1:35:13

Be unhealthy for you and they'll It

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was a Cbs News story that was

1:35:17

reporting on the story and that the

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head the lead was not make it

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slightly wrong by the lead was. Guess

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what's worse for your child's wait? The

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not done eating candy. And.

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Not. Eating candy. A

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New Study A shocking new study says and

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the study was sponsored by deco We Should

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scenario. That. Concessionary organizations

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and. It's not as

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study I, it's not science think you can

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do that but we're inundated with these things.

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what to eat but I'm I'm I eat

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it. You don't even really need to buy

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my book I hope you do. You understand

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it off by are just check on what

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not your grandmother but what your great great

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grandmother was eating. Because

1:36:00

you're living off of her genetics, by the way.

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Your. Gray Gray Grandkids you next may not

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be as strong as you Don't make a

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change and we don't We don't clean things

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up, may not even have great great game

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kids. Grandkids House says scary thought isn't it?

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it all back to John Harvey arise and

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population months just kill at all, just end,

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end it all and and to sex drive

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heaven in the same boat. Is.

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these people think and sir, I.

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people with going on here. Maybe it's the

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food safety of the food. Yeah.

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I'm really more drains running as much Me

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an Id get he gets it's if fertility

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rates among men and women are answered shockingly

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small on in Italy. I know they're paying

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people to try to have kids in are

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trying to bring it on, but. Similarly

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hungry i think we have four kids

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don't pay any income tax. Man's

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movie i forget this is efforts to other

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and then the money's fucking. many people

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are delaying family formation so they don't

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think they can afford it then then

1:37:15

by the time they can afford it.

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But. It's.

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Too. Late to have. To.

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Buy Bitcoin and the distortion.

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from the money buy on

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Amazon. Matthew. Thank.

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of things have we We can do this and parolee

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