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1:05

week on Teen Creeps. Ling

1:08

Ling Huang's natural beauty. Hello,

1:15

welcome to Teen Creeps, a podcast that

1:18

discusses YA pulp fiction. I'm one of your hosts, Lindsay

1:20

K. Tai. I'm another one of

1:22

your hosts, Kelly Nugent. And today we are

1:24

talking about natural beauty by Ling Ling Huang.

1:27

Not YA? But

1:30

horror. Very much of the genre

1:32

of horror. It feels

1:34

like our show. It does. It

1:36

just feels like our show. And is

1:39

a way to incorporate some non-white people.

1:43

I really liked this book a lot. Me,

1:45

freaky too. I'm

1:49

freaky too. I cried

1:52

a lot during the flashbacks.

1:55

There was like a specific moment that I

1:58

like got really sad. when

2:02

her parents come to her

2:05

recital and they see

2:07

all the stuff that she bought for herself with

2:10

the money, the stipend. And it's

2:14

like way, her dresses are nicer than what the

2:16

mom saved up to get her. And the mom's

2:18

like, she's like, Oh, but

2:20

you deserve the best. Like I could, I was

2:22

like, Oh my God, like these,

2:25

she's like happy that she was

2:27

keeping the stipend. Yeah, it's like,

2:29

they were such lovely people. And

2:32

I was really hoping

2:34

that they were gonna make it almost

2:37

no one makes it truly like

2:39

main character barely makes

2:41

it. She's not human

2:44

by the end, basically.

2:46

But I liked a lot what this book

2:48

had to say about assimilation and about beauty

2:50

and about like, what,

2:55

and particularly in the Asian community,

2:58

because I think

3:00

white assimilation surgery

3:02

is so popular

3:04

in new Yeah,

3:06

for Asians and like skin lightening

3:08

and like nose jobs and eyelid

3:11

surgery and, and

3:13

just like, the more

3:16

white you look, the more quote, beautiful you

3:18

are. And

3:20

I just felt like, at the

3:22

end where she is like completely unrecognizable

3:25

and has lost her connection to her

3:27

parents because of everything like, because

3:29

it's like, not only my culture, but like my

3:31

parents like, that is heartbreaking.

3:33

That was really sad. Yeah, I

3:35

think I highlighted that part.

3:39

Do you want to read the back of the

3:41

book before we get to in the weeds on talking about details?

3:43

Yes. Okay. Our

3:46

narrator produces a sound from the piano. No one

3:48

else at the conservatory can she employs a technique

3:50

she learned from her parents. Oh, that's right. Because

3:52

we never learned her name. I was about to

3:54

say that. Yeah. And then I didn't want to

3:57

interrupt you. I forgot we never knew her. real

4:00

name. Well we know that it's Lotus in

4:02

I I don't

4:05

know I mean are they Mandarin or Cantonese

4:07

I don't know. I think. I mean probably

4:09

Cantonese right? I

4:12

don't remember if I saw the word here let

4:15

me do a search. I'm

4:17

gonna see. No results for me. They're

4:20

probably Mandarin just because it's

4:22

like way more than Cantonese speakers but

4:25

I I really don't know where her

4:27

parents are from. All

4:29

we get is because the store

4:33

makes her change her name so blah blah blah

4:35

I've been meaning to ask about your name. My name? What does

4:37

it mean? It's the name of a flower at Lotus. It's

4:40

so beautiful. She just doesn't straight

4:42

up does not say. Yeah and I

4:44

think that's actually really cool and

4:46

really intentional and like that feels

4:48

so because like every part of

4:51

her is gone by the end. So we

4:53

never know her name and we never

4:55

know her exact

4:57

heritage. Mm-hmm.

5:01

Mm-hmm. We know her parents names. I

5:03

don't remember their names. I just

5:06

know that she calls them Mon-Baw. Yeah

5:09

we know they're I don't know that

5:11

we do. No we do. We for sure

5:13

do because I was like oh we get their names. I

5:16

can't find it though. Cool.

5:22

Because I can't

5:24

remember. Well while

5:27

you're looking for it I'll continue reading this. No.

5:31

We must be silent while I look. Okay.

5:33

She employs a technique she learns from her

5:35

parents, also talented musicians, who fled China in

5:37

the wake of the Cultural Revolution. But when

5:39

an accident leaves her parents debilitated she see

5:42

this here I'm glad I didn't know this.

5:44

I didn't know what happened to them. Yeah

5:46

I forgot that. I think I read it

5:48

I think I read this when

5:50

I first heard of the book a few months ago

5:53

but I forgot. I also don't

5:55

like the order that we learn this

5:57

information in this. So but when an accident leaves her parents, she's

5:59

like, oh I'm sorry. leaves her parents debilitated, she abandons

6:01

her future for a job at a high-end beauty

6:03

and wellness store in New York City." That's not

6:05

true. It's

6:08

like, that's not what she abandons it

6:10

for. She abandons it because of

6:12

the trauma she

6:14

associates. Yeah. Yeah. That's

6:16

a... That's misleading. Yes. That

6:19

is misleading. And

6:22

it's also like, I like how in

6:24

the book we know that she's

6:26

doing, she's running away from something, but we don't

6:28

know what, and then we find out about it.

6:31

Yeah. Uh, holistic is known

6:33

for its remarkable products and procedures. And

6:36

this too, I didn't... I... I

6:38

wouldn't have wanted to know this beforehand. From

6:40

remoras that suck out cheap Botox to eyelash

6:42

extensions made of spider silk. And her new

6:44

job affords her entry into a world of

6:47

privilege and a long-awaited sense of belonging. She

6:49

becomes transfixed by Helen, the niece of holistic's

6:51

charismatic owner, and the two strike up a

6:53

friendship that hazily re-veers into more. All

6:56

the while, our narrator is plied with products

6:58

that slim her thighs, smooth her skin, and

7:00

lighten her hair. But beneath these creams and

7:02

tinctures lies something sinister. Um,

7:06

yeah, I wouldn't... I liked

7:08

learning like, oh, what the fuck are

7:10

they up to with this shit? But also like, we're

7:12

already up to some weird shit

7:14

in the beauty industry. I

7:17

remembered their last name on my own,

7:19

and so I found it. What

7:22

is it? It is, um, because

7:24

they say, hi, is this the daughter of

7:27

Meilon and Li Zhou? Oh, right. I

7:29

know I'm saying that so badly, I'm so sorry. How

7:32

would you say that? Z-H-O-U. Zhou?

7:36

Zhou, maybe? I am not... So

7:39

shiny. So... Let me see.

7:42

Sorry, guys. Yeah. Zhou. Oh,

7:45

Zhou. Zhou? Zhou? Meilon

7:47

and Li Zhou? Yeah.

7:51

That's what Google's telling me, Zhou. We are not

7:53

Chinese, and so we don't know how to say.

7:57

Um, but yeah, so... I would

7:59

feel... worse about my pronunciation

8:02

if I also didn't absolutely

8:04

mangle French. Oh

8:07

yeah, your inability is just

8:10

like any non-English. So no

8:12

one worry. Yeah. No

8:15

one worry. My apologies. It

8:17

is simply because I don't know. And

8:23

we bothered to look it up. How to say it? Yeah. But

8:27

yeah, we don't know her name. Mm-hmm. So,

8:31

but yeah, I think I would always

8:34

glad to not know about exactly what

8:36

the weird procedures that they're doing at

8:38

Holistic beforehand.

8:41

And this literally tells us

8:43

what they are. Yeah. Yeah,

8:46

this gives a lot of way

8:48

and in a misleading way and in a

8:50

way that like is actually

8:52

contrary to her character. Yeah. Yeah.

8:56

Weirdly. Um. I

8:59

totally understood. I mean,

9:01

I was frustrated with

9:04

the narrator at times because I was

9:06

like, girl, just fucking leave. I

9:09

do think it's not enough of a

9:11

slow burn for her to be completely

9:14

surprised, but also she's

9:16

struggling with extreme trauma. She

9:20

has extreme trauma. She's running away from

9:23

it. She's also like experiencing financial trauma.

9:26

Um, so I get it. But

9:28

like at the point where she's like discovered

9:31

all the stuff at the place

9:33

and she still keeps going into

9:35

the thing. I was like, stop

9:37

going there. Stop going there.

9:40

And at that point, her parents are

9:43

already like done

9:45

for and so she doesn't need to pay anymore.

9:47

So for that point, I was like, I

9:50

mean, it wasn't unbelievable. I was just frustrated

9:52

with her as a person. Yeah. I

9:54

was like, stop, stop going there, bro. Like

9:56

you at

9:58

the point when Helen is like. Yeah,

12:00

you don't often see it in like

12:02

a child of immigrant story where it's

12:04

like, no, they want to be doing

12:06

the thing that their parents did. They

12:08

want to be around their parents and

12:11

literally have no friends or

12:14

want friends really. Because

12:17

even before she goes to the conservatory,

12:21

she doesn't really want

12:23

to assimilate or be friends with

12:25

people. It's the conservatory that makes

12:27

her want to assimilate. But

12:30

before that, she just is obsessed with music and that's all

12:32

she ... And maybe that's the

12:34

thing that I was bumping up against because

12:37

me and literally I

12:39

went to a very high Asian population and a

12:41

lot of people I knew were Asian, first generation

12:43

Asian, and I felt

12:46

like we all did

12:49

not have that kind of relationship with

12:51

our parents and wanted desperately to assimilate.

12:55

And there's just

12:58

this huge cultural divide between you and

13:00

your parents, whereas this doesn't

13:02

fit there, but also I didn't know any child

13:04

prodigies. So

13:07

maybe like your child prodigy and

13:09

the thing you're obsessed with is

13:11

music and that's what connects you

13:13

to your parents. That's

13:15

a different perspective that I have never

13:17

encountered before, but I did have

13:20

trouble at first. I loved it and

13:22

I liked reading about it,

13:24

but I didn't ... It just

13:26

felt so foreign to me and I was kind of

13:28

like, oh, how do I navigate this? Because

13:31

it didn't match the experience of

13:33

me or anyone that I knew growing up,

13:36

but that doesn't mean it's not real. And

13:38

so I was like, well, I never knew a prodigy.

13:42

And I mean, there's every

13:44

kind of experience there can be under the

13:46

sun. Yeah. And

13:49

like being Asians are not a monolith and

13:53

there's many, many different ways.

13:55

So I don't know, it was interesting. But

13:59

I also, I did. highly, highly relate to

14:01

her feeling like others.

14:03

Exactly. Yeah,

14:05

and yeah, I'm like wanting

14:08

to do anything possible to fit

14:10

in. And like, maybe

14:12

if I do this, then they'll like me. Maybe if

14:15

I do this, then they'll like me. And it's always

14:17

failing. Yeah, that made me so sad. I

14:19

know. Bless you. Excuse

14:22

me. Bless you. But I, not too

14:24

windy. Like,

14:27

she's like, like everyone hates

14:30

her because she's too young at

14:32

the conservatory. She's like 12 or

14:34

11 or something. And everyone

14:36

else is like 14 or 15. And

14:38

so they mercilessly bully her. That

14:42

was so sad. And they steal her

14:44

picture of her. That was a fucking

14:46

lowest shit imaginable. That's

14:49

all she had. And I was so happy

14:52

when Connor gave it back to her. Except

14:55

I was like, Connor is like only really that

14:57

interested. Like he's showing her a kindness

15:00

because she's more beautiful. Quote

15:02

beautiful. I mean, I don't

15:05

know if that's it because he's he

15:07

talks about being in therapy and like

15:09

apologizing and recovering

15:11

memories. Because like

15:13

he was abused too. Right.

15:16

But it does remind me though

15:18

of when guys make

15:21

a woman's trauma their trauma. Like when

15:23

he's like, man, I just

15:25

really hated being the person to tell you about

15:27

your parents. And it's like, okay, like I'm not

15:29

saying he's a good person. I just I'm not

15:31

sure he's only telling her because she's beautiful

15:34

now. Oh, no, no, no.

15:36

I'm saying about help. Yeah. Like

15:38

he wants to exchange numbers with her. He wants to

15:40

continue a relationship or some kind of relationship. Because

15:44

he's also like, oh, you look amazing. Like you look

15:46

so good. And it's like, she doesn't even look like

15:48

what she used to look like anymore. And

15:51

I don't under. Yeah. Oh,

15:53

my God, you look great. It's like, why

15:55

isn't the response always like, who

15:57

the fuck are you and what's going on? Who

16:00

are you? Because like you have blonde

16:02

hair, you're really tall and skinny now and

16:04

like You definitely your

16:06

face is different but

16:09

also that thing of like God,

16:11

you know those people that just get addicted to

16:14

like lip filler. Mm-hmm Or

16:17

anything right any kind of filler where it's like if

16:19

you go too much at one one go.

16:22

Mm-hmm Then it's like

16:24

oh now I'm gonna because

16:26

the best filler you don't

16:28

know it's there Mm-hmm, but if I can

16:30

see some yeah, oh my god. That's like the

16:32

last thing that you want Mm-hmm.

16:35

Mm-hmm But

16:38

like or just like someone who has gotten

16:40

so much work done that they're like no

16:42

longer look like who they were which like

16:45

That's fine But I also understand

16:47

the idea of like looking in the mirror and

16:49

being like oh I used to like look like

16:51

my parents Oh, yeah, I don't

16:53

think especially when they're gone Section

16:56

because I think I highlighted it. I just thought

16:58

it was great. Very sad.

17:00

Okay at some point. I forgot to

17:02

be making I

17:05

Start I know I was gonna start but then I was

17:07

in it. I was just like click through

17:09

click through click through. Yeah Dude

17:14

the some of the treatments

17:16

were so gnarly you know that

17:19

one couple with the

17:21

worms Oh Wait

17:23

the the couple who come in or

17:25

the couple are like Alice and her boyfriend The

17:28

couple who come in to do the worm thing. I forget

17:31

where like he fucks her with worm.

17:33

Oh, yeah Posthumous

17:47

posthumous This

17:50

is not But I

17:53

liked this part and it is about like her her

17:55

parents and her features Even

17:59

though the pay is better than any of the restaurant

18:01

jobs I had before my financial situation remains precarious

18:03

no matter how hard I try to save it's

18:06

almost impossible not to hemorrhage money in New York.

18:08

I remember my parents holding my hand up to

18:11

the light when I was small remarking on the lack

18:13

of gaps between my fingers when I squeezed them together.

18:15

No money escaped your hands they exclaimed proudly

18:17

how I wish that were the case." Yeah,

18:21

yeah. And that's the other thing

18:23

too of like the consumerism

18:25

thing and like when you work in

18:28

an industry like that like you are expected

18:30

to like look like

18:33

something that cannot be

18:35

achieved and to do

18:37

that you must spend a lot of money

18:39

and then so you're like poor pretending

18:42

to be rich selling

18:44

things to the even more rich that

18:46

I was like oh my god I can

18:49

relate I used to work retail and I remember I would

18:52

be running from school to the

18:55

job and I remember one time I had

18:57

my I didn't have my hair done and it

19:00

was just down and my

19:03

boss was like she like

19:05

took me aside and she like pointed

19:07

out this girl Angie she pointed

19:10

out Angie and she's like see Angie's hair and I

19:12

was like yeah and she's like maybe you should do

19:14

your hair like Angie it'd be nice

19:16

if you had your hair done for work. Fuck

19:18

you. Yeah, yeah. And I was like

19:20

okay but

19:23

also like her hair was never done so I was like what?

19:27

Like what are we doing? You can't go to other

19:29

people to higher standards than yourself, great. Yeah.

19:32

Here is one part I just did a search

19:34

of the word features and found a couple. So

19:39

she's visiting them in the facility

19:43

that she has

19:45

them in. I wait to

19:48

see if either of them will respond. Bob's mouth

19:50

falls open once before closing again. Ma's hand twitches

19:52

a little in mind as I try to massage

19:54

it the way she always massaged my hands after

19:56

piano practice. I stroke her arm where

19:58

the metal crushed it almost thankful. she isn't conscious enough

20:00

to process what happened to her hands in the

20:02

accident. I love you both. I

20:05

kiss them each on the forehead and leave. Sometimes I

20:07

have the energy to talk and talk, but today I

20:09

duck into the bathroom and allow myself to cry for

20:11

a bit before composing myself. It is

20:13

hard to see their shrinking frames and shredded lips.

20:15

In the stained bathroom mirror I watch as tears

20:18

fall from Ma's eyes onto Ba's nose. It gives

20:20

me some comfort at least to see their features

20:22

preserved in me. But

20:24

not for long. Oh my god.

20:28

Did I tell you about the dream I had?

20:30

For some reason, every

20:33

time things in my life are really hard, I

20:36

have a dream that I'm

20:39

seeing my grandma that raised me, my Asian grandma. I

20:43

don't know if I told

20:45

you about that. I told you about that.

20:47

Keep going and it might come

20:49

losing my brain. The

20:51

first one, it was so touching.

20:54

I don't know. It

20:56

was right

20:59

when I was getting divorced and I

21:02

was very sad and stressed and all

21:04

of that and feeling like a failure. I had this

21:08

dream, my grandma always used to

21:11

stroke my hair or stroke my back when I was

21:14

really little. I had this

21:16

dream that I was just standing and I felt someone

21:18

stroking my hair. It felt so

21:24

real. I didn't

21:30

turn around but I heard somehow

21:33

in English. That was another thing too. By

21:35

the end of my grandmother's life, I

21:37

had lost a lot of my Vietnamese and she didn't

21:40

really speak very much English. Our

21:42

ability to communicate was very difficult.

21:47

I wish that I had preserved

21:49

more Vietnamese so I could talk

21:52

to her and really communicate to her

21:54

much. I loved her before she died.

21:56

I could feel her stroking my

21:58

hair. Then I just heard so

22:00

clear, clear, clear, like a

22:02

bell, her saying like,

22:06

I love you. And then I said, I love

22:08

you. And I knew that she

22:10

could understand me like she could understand

22:12

the complete weight with which I was

22:14

saying. And I understood

22:16

that from her. And then like I turned

22:19

around and both my grandparents were there and I was

22:21

just like, I love you. And then I woke up

22:23

and I was like crying. I was like weeping.

22:25

I was like, Oh my God. And

22:27

then like, uh, like

22:30

a couple months ago, I was like very

22:32

stressed again. I don't know. This has been

22:34

a hard year. And I

22:37

like was in the back of a minivan in my

22:39

dream and the

22:42

minivan door opened, slid

22:44

open and my grandmother

22:46

was outside and she

22:48

like looked at me and then she just

22:51

started crying and like out of like, she just

22:53

like was so sad for me and

22:56

I was crying because I was like really sad.

22:58

Yeah. And then like we were both just like

23:00

crying and I was just like, I

23:02

miss you. And then I woke

23:04

up. I used to have, or I had one not so, so

23:06

long ago. So

23:10

I still do have them, but dreams where I, I

23:13

just go to the house, to

23:15

my grandma's house that I was

23:17

raised in in San Diego. And, uh, cause

23:19

after my grandma died, we sold

23:21

it and moved

23:24

and I just had one year left and then

23:27

I went to college and I was, I haven't

23:29

lived in San Diego since except

23:31

for the nine months I lived with my mom after I

23:33

lost my job. Um, but I,

23:36

in every single dream, I just go to the

23:38

house and visit it and cry in every room.

23:42

I just go to my ball

23:44

and ball and ball. And then I moved to the

23:46

next room and I cry and cry and cry and I

23:48

moved to the next room and then the next room

23:50

and every dream is the same, but

23:53

the house always looks a little different. In my dream. Yeah,

23:56

it's like a little bit like a

23:58

little bit off. Yeah. Yeah,

24:02

your mom's house, but not your mom's house. Yeah.

24:09

Oh, also when the narrator has

24:11

to like tell that homeless man to man

24:14

leave. Yeah, and she feels like she's like

24:16

a groove something and so she gets really

24:18

harsh with him and

24:20

he's like an old Asian

24:22

man about the age of her dad and

24:25

she's literally like making him leave this

24:28

new life that she she's

24:30

like trying to chase out the ghost of her culture

24:33

of her past of her trauma of everything at

24:36

this new job and she's like screaming

24:39

at him to a point where he's like Jesus Christ and

24:41

leave. Yeah, where she like becomes like something

24:43

animal. She's like so

24:46

fierce and scary. Speaking

24:48

of becoming something animal. So

24:52

the like products and procedures that like

24:55

they all get this I didn't understand the pebble. I

24:57

didn't know how big it was because like how could

24:59

it fit all these pills and like I didn't really

25:02

understand what that was. This book is a little bit

25:04

like sci-fi slash magical

25:06

realism. These

25:09

products aren't real and could never be real.

25:12

I don't know some of them. I don't know

25:14

maybe the spiderweb eyelashes who knows. But

25:17

most of it is fake. Or like the mandala that

25:19

sits around her chest like somehow

25:23

it's like a heightened

25:26

goopy version of like

25:28

a Fitbit. Because

25:30

it monitors her wellness. It kind of reminds me.

25:32

It monitors all of her vitals

25:35

and reminds her to

25:37

take her supplements. This

25:41

reminds me a little bit of

25:43

like it's it's

25:47

almost kind

25:50

of like the kind of world that like a

25:52

Yorgos Lanthimos movie would be. Where

25:55

it's like strange

25:59

and not the world we live

26:01

in, but quotes. It's like instead

26:03

of being sci-fi where it's like,

26:05

oh, it's the future, it's like present

26:08

time, but it's like just the left

26:10

of what's real. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

26:13

So it's like, it reminds me a lot of

26:15

like the lobster or I think more the

26:17

lobster than killing

26:19

a mistake or deer, but kind of like that where it's

26:22

like, I don't have you seen the lobster? Yeah.

26:25

Like it kind of reminds me of that where it's like, oh, yeah,

26:27

I don't know. We just do this thing. And it's

26:29

not as absurd. It's maybe, it's

26:32

weirder than this, but it's also like

26:34

severance is a, yeah, it's

26:37

not possible, but it's

26:39

definitely, this is more like horror and surreal

26:42

than severance, but yeah,

26:45

it's cool. I like the world

26:47

of this book. Me too. Goop, but

26:49

sci-fi. Yeah. Yeah. Like

26:53

the, ew, the like

26:55

remoras and crabs

26:59

where you like sit in a tub of remoras and crabs.

27:01

Yeah, I didn't understand that at all. So

27:03

I think the remoras like suck on your face or

27:06

skin or whatever and get

27:08

out bad Botox or toxins or anything.

27:10

And then they poop stuff out into

27:12

the water, which then gets eaten by

27:14

the crabs, filtered by the crabs. Mm-hmm.

27:17

And the crabs poop out something that's like good

27:19

for your skin or something, but you're

27:21

just in a really stinky bath,

27:23

like horribly stinky, which I

27:25

don't get why they're so stink. Maybe

27:29

it's because they're eating literal poison.

27:31

Like they're eating maybe, because

27:33

crabs on their own, they smell crab-ish, but

27:35

they don't smell rotten. Some of

27:37

the, it's like the muck smell. I

27:41

don't know. Yeah. It's

27:44

like whatever they're pooping out

27:46

things. You'll be determined. We

27:48

do not. Yeah, something's yeah,

27:50

something's stinky though. But

27:53

she is being monitored at all times by

27:55

this little like pebble mandala necklace thing that

27:57

she wears and it sends her

27:59

bio-m metrics to them. Also,

28:03

like, she gets

28:06

this job because this woman shows up who's

28:08

like, oh my God, I recognize you, like

28:11

comes into a restaurant that she's working at.

28:13

It's like, oh my God, I recognize you.

28:15

Like, were you the pianist? And she's

28:17

like, yeah. And she's like, oh my God, do you

28:20

want to work or come into the place to

28:22

holistic? Then she goes and then she's like, do

28:24

you want to work here? And she's like, oh

28:27

my God, yeah. And so it kind

28:29

of like seems to fall in her lap when

28:32

it's actually like, it's very

28:34

targeted from the get go. Like just the

28:36

fact that she knows that

28:38

she played piano is like red

28:40

flag, red flag. Yeah.

28:42

And also like this woman who does not

28:45

seem to have eaten a fry in her

28:47

life comes in and asks to share your

28:49

fries and doesn't order anything. That's so weird.

28:51

Very weird. Do not trust,

28:53

but do not trust. Um,

28:57

Sajay, I, I

28:59

said it's Sage. Oh, I,

29:04

I thought about probably that listening to

29:06

the audio book. Maybe it

29:09

would be in the sample because she is

29:11

right at the beginning of the book, but

29:13

I bet it said Sage. It's

29:15

just spelled fancy.

29:17

Yeah. Um,

29:20

but yeah, so she starts working there and

29:23

she's given like stuff

29:25

that's tailored just for her. Um,

29:29

and then we find out that her parents are in

29:31

a facility and we also find out

29:34

that Sage and Helen, no, just

29:36

Sage knows the name of

29:38

the facility, even though she's never told

29:40

her, did wait, did they

29:42

kill her? I thought about it.

29:45

And I do, I feel, I still

29:47

feel like it's possible because they're, they

29:50

need her isolated. Yeah. So

29:52

I think it's very possible for her.

29:57

So basically what happened was when she

29:59

was at the conservatory. She was like

30:01

belittled and abused and and also drugs

30:03

and probably it is Mm-hmm

30:07

sent out to donors are to be

30:09

like a little Performing

30:12

monkey app, but then also some of the

30:14

donors would would rape her while

30:16

she was unconscious well

30:18

specifically Specifically

30:21

Victor who used to have long

30:23

hair and look different because he's gotten so much percent Victor

30:27

being one of the founders Victor

30:29

and sage our founders of it

30:31

turns out stages like 70 Yeah

30:37

Yep And

30:40

things are not going well at The

30:44

other thing that I was like annoyed with

30:48

The narrator and not because this was unbelievable but because

30:51

like if I was her friend, I'd be like, oh

30:53

my god was like how shitty

30:55

her place was and like How

30:58

she just kind of put up with it Whereas

31:00

like yeah, there had to be like a

31:02

place that was not that hellish that

31:04

she could afford Yes, but

31:07

I think she wants to be sure Yes,

31:10

she did. I think she'd just like really

31:12

hates herself She does.

31:14

Yeah for sure because she blames herself for

31:16

her pet for everything everything and

31:19

like some of the stuff she did Yeah, that was really

31:21

selfish But also you were a

31:23

child and you were being Abused

31:26

all the time. Yeah, and

31:28

the ways that you aren't even conscious of

31:31

Yeah, and manipulated him Because

31:37

We find out at the end of the book

31:39

that Victor is the anonymous benefactor that

31:41

paid for her to go to the

31:45

conservatory Very yeah the

31:47

conservatory dad used to take video of her

31:49

playing the piano when she was a kid

31:51

and put it up on like YouTube And

31:54

so she she had a little bit of a following

31:57

Mm-hmm. Yeah, we saw her and

31:59

showed Victor. Yeah, because

32:01

Helen was and didn't

32:06

you Henry? Henry

32:09

also had listened to it like

32:11

Henry and Helen because they're twins.

32:14

Well, Henry was directed at

32:16

her. Yeah, by Victor

32:19

to use this app that isn't on

32:21

the market yet arrows, e

32:23

dash and ros, where you add

32:25

people to your cart. Mm

32:28

hmm. Creepy. And she

32:31

decides to use it because for

32:34

many reasons, she wants to not feel anything.

32:36

She wants to punish herself, punish herself. And

32:38

she wants a clean shower. So

32:40

she uses it to use the shower at

32:42

the guy's house. And

32:47

that's where she runs into Helen who's taking a

32:49

bath. And she's like super transfixed by Helen. She's

32:52

so beautiful and charming.

32:54

And like there's just

32:56

something between them. And they

32:59

love each other. They love

33:01

each other. Helen poor Helen.

33:05

She didn't even know what was happening. She

33:07

didn't know anything. Helen was an innocent. And

33:10

she and she is legit nice.

33:13

She's legit nice. And she's like

33:15

always inviting the narrator to

33:17

come out with her and like,

33:21

they're just trying to be a couple of

33:23

gals having a fun time in New York. Mm hmm.

33:26

Lillis weird. She's

33:28

strange. But

33:31

I knew that she was there for

33:33

investigative journalism. journalism. Oh,

33:36

yeah. As soon as Helen

33:38

told the narrator about her

33:41

background, I was like, Oh, she

33:43

shared it with all of a sudden. Yeah.

33:45

When she's like, Oh, all of a sudden, like

33:47

she doesn't care anymore. And she's working here. I

33:49

was like, No. Idiotique.

33:54

Yeah, I can't believe you guys

33:56

don't see through it. But

33:59

yeah, she's there to take holistic dad. Also-

34:03

And she's always seen through Victor's shit. Good

34:07

for her, but she's also not very

34:09

nice to the narrator. She's

34:12

not. She's not.

34:14

But she's also dealing with her own shit too, because she loves

34:16

Helen too. Dude,

34:19

the part where, so at first, when she starts working there,

34:21

she's like, all these women look alike. They

34:24

all have, and that was another sign too.

34:26

So everyone has blonde hair, statuesque,

34:30

whatever, whatever, except Lilith, who's like, well,

34:32

I'm not taking the lens to change

34:34

my hair color. She's trying

34:36

to retain as much

34:38

as she can. She's only taking what she

34:41

has to as an employee. Yes.

34:44

And so at first, all

34:46

of these women look alike, and then when she

34:48

finds out, when the narrator finds out that, because

34:51

remember at the beginning, when Sage

34:53

is like, we want a multicultural,

34:57

like a diverse talent pool, and she's looking around, she's

34:59

like, I'm the only Asian one. But

35:01

then we find out that actually, everybody, a lot

35:03

of them are, and they've

35:06

just been transformed to be white women. It's

35:08

crazy. That was wild.

35:11

Scary, scary, scary, scary.

35:14

Scary, scary, very, very. I

35:17

was also very surprised. I didn't see

35:19

that coming, that they were all, me

35:22

neither. That they were all my white people.

35:26

And she's like, oh my God, and two of them are even Asian. Including

35:29

Lilith. Lilith, who

35:31

she runs into in Chinatown, taking

35:34

care of her grandmother. Yep,

35:38

because Lilith is a child,

35:43

like a bastard child basically, of

35:45

a famous director, where

35:47

her mom is a mistress of his,

35:50

and he just kind of doesn't

35:52

really want anything to do with her. Yeah, sad. I

35:56

think honestly, that's why she's like,

35:59

yeah, she's a little bit of a bitch. She doesn't buy into

36:01

this shit. Yeah. And

36:04

it kind of protects her from the holistic shit.

36:08

Also, I totally

36:10

got to, so

36:12

when she starts giving her parents

36:14

the holistic stuff, I

36:17

was like, she should do that. First I was

36:19

like, oh, well maybe this fancy shit

36:21

will cure her parents. That's what I

36:23

thought. But it might have been

36:25

helping. It's not. And then she started giving them

36:27

weird tester stuff that Helen

36:30

had. Right. Which is

36:32

what she was being given as well. And

36:35

it gave them fucking, what

36:37

was it? The name. The

36:39

disease. Some disease that you might get if you're

36:41

like a cannibal. Eww.

36:44

Cannibalism disease. Kuru,

36:46

kuru. Eww. Yeah,

36:50

it's an infectious protein. So it's

36:52

a prion disease in

36:55

contaminated human brain tissue. Eww.

36:59

What does kuru do to your body? Yeah,

37:02

twitching, loss of coordination. Pathologic

37:06

bursts of laughter, which are a symptom of

37:08

the disease. Oh my God, this

37:11

is like making me want to throw up. Ready?

37:16

But yeah, so her parents get

37:18

that because, A, their immune

37:20

systems are already damaged. And

37:23

then B, it's like she's just siphoning like

37:25

fucking human tissue into their diets.

37:29

And she kind of knows something

37:31

is up too because

37:33

she is like

37:35

sneaking around after hours because she

37:37

like lets the worm couple do

37:40

their appointment and she's alone at holistic. And

37:43

something bad has happened at the quote

37:45

zoo, which is like something's up with the

37:48

animals. And

37:50

so there's kind of a crisis. And she

37:52

throws up, she like feels dizzy. And

37:54

also Helen at this point has been

37:56

like experiencing like chest pains and dizzy

37:59

spells and. All this stuff from the

38:01

beginning. She's like I'm so clumsy now. I'm gonna walk and

38:04

the narrator throws up and she throws

38:06

up like a Like

38:09

it looks like a piece of hair which how did that

38:11

happen? Cuz I

38:13

thought she was eating powders. Yeah,

38:16

I don't know how like a full-on

38:18

hair I forget when when does that

38:20

happen is she like having lunch with

38:22

someone or um, so there's two instances

38:24

Like one is she throws up In

38:28

the lab and it's like

38:30

right before she's like bonked on the brain and like is

38:33

Brought to the place like brought

38:36

to the gunks But

38:39

she throws up

38:41

like a clump of hair and

38:44

then later she's having lunch with

38:47

Helen and there's like

38:50

a Strand of hair

38:52

in the egg yolk that she's eating that

38:55

Helen's eating I don't know how she ate

38:58

like a chunk of hair. No

39:01

It's just sort of like weird But

39:04

also she might have been being like force-fed stuff

39:06

while she was like out of

39:08

it or who knows also specifically like a

39:10

red hair Yeah belonging

39:13

to sage Yeah, I

39:16

think that the hair in the egg yolk is

39:18

just symbolism I don't actually I think it's just

39:21

yeah, her hair fell out But

39:23

her throwing up the clump of hair.

39:25

I don't know how that happened. Yeah Just

39:29

weird I had something like that in

39:31

the TV show I was like

39:35

The spec I wrote it

39:37

wasn't in the spec But like it was in

39:39

like a later episode as a character was gonna

39:41

like throw up and just like human hair was

39:43

gonna come out Yeah, like

39:46

spaghetti because it's creepy. It is

39:48

creepy Alright, so

39:50

she's brought to the gunks Which

39:52

is basically like the farm. Oh the

39:55

deer were so creepy. What's going on with those deer?

39:57

I don't know I thought that they were like

39:59

humans deer. Yeah, me

40:01

too. Like Annihilation style. Yeah, yeah,

40:03

yeah, yeah. They're like security

40:06

deer. Yeah, but then like

40:08

that one was like walking as if it didn't even

40:10

notice that it was running into the window over and

40:13

over again. That was creepy. I was like, what is

40:15

happening here? And then she

40:17

discovers these like cameras and she also discovers

40:19

these pits with like gelatinous goo in them

40:21

and these giant birds flying

40:24

around. And she sees on

40:28

the cameras that like Sage

40:30

and Victor are bringing definitely

40:32

a body, but she's like, oh,

40:35

a weirdly shaped bag. She's like

40:37

really constantly lying to herself. Yeah,

40:41

I know. But she

40:43

definitely gets caught, although she doesn't know in the moment.

40:46

And she gets sent

40:49

back to her life.

40:51

And there's just bills, bills, bills from her parents. So

40:53

she's like, I need, I need like a raise

40:57

or like an advance or something. And they're

40:59

like, well, we have an opportunity for you.

41:01

It's only two days a week. And

41:04

it's called, which one is it?

41:07

Apothecare. Right.

41:09

Right. But like there's like two

41:12

different things offered at Apothecare. There's

41:14

lume. There's like intellect.

41:17

Yeah, skin to collect. And well,

41:20

the things that they're testing on

41:22

her, she's told that it's sex

41:24

work. Yeah, but the

41:26

things they're testing on her are skin

41:28

to collect and everlasting, everlasting.

41:31

That's the thing that she's that she's

41:34

Oh, did you know that the

41:37

the rights for this were Constance

41:39

Wu got the rights and I

41:41

knew somebody got the rights and was developing a movie.

41:44

Yeah, or TV show. Because

41:46

it's cool. Thanks. In

41:48

the like thank you that the end she says something about

41:50

can't wait to see

41:53

it on the screen

41:55

and something about UTA. Yeah,

41:58

when is that coming? Oh, where

42:01

can I watch it? I know. I'm excited. I

42:03

want to see it. Um, so

42:07

she starts she thinks she's doing sex

42:09

work, but it is very like, so

42:12

the first thing she has to do when she shows

42:14

up is like swim in this pool. And then

42:17

she gets like, slathered with

42:19

like a goo. You're

42:23

shimmery goo. And then she

42:25

gets like sprayed with like a decontamination

42:27

spray. And then she falls

42:29

asleep. And then she wakes up and

42:31

oh my God, this

42:34

was horrible, horrible,

42:37

huge, huge, huge, huge

42:40

warning here guys. Because this

42:42

next part is like body

42:44

horror, like weird scientific rape

42:47

shit, like horrible, horrible, horrible.

42:49

And she wakes up and she's

42:51

got like blood gooing from her fucking

42:53

vagina. And then she like squirts

42:56

out a bunch of fucking papaya seeds.

42:58

And I was like, what is happening

43:01

here? She told it's papaya, she told

43:03

it's papaya, but she told that they

43:05

were used as like papaya was a

43:07

natural sex toy. I'm like,

43:10

are you fucking stupid or something? It was

43:12

really funny when she's telling Lillis, she's like,

43:14

well, no, I signed a contract for for natural

43:17

for organic all natural sex

43:20

work. And Lillis stares at

43:22

her and she's like, Oh, now that I've said

43:24

it out loud, that does sound

43:26

ridiculous. Well, because Lillis is

43:28

like, since when was sex not organic?

43:30

Yeah. And she's like, Oh,

43:34

I hear it now. Yeah.

43:38

Um, so then she starts to

43:40

kind of get hit to what's going on. And

43:42

she accidentally like kind of wakes up during one

43:44

of the procedures. And there's like a scary drill.

43:47

And I'm like, Oh my God, I can't even

43:49

look so creepy. And then

43:53

she's like, she's being

43:55

inseminated by an octopus. But

43:59

not even really an octopus. It's like a drill

44:01

with octopus stuff in it. Yeah. Or

44:03

like, no, no, no, because there's like

44:05

literally like a snake thing slithering inside

44:07

her. I thought it was the

44:10

drill. I kind of skimmed the drill stuff because I was very

44:12

disgusted. Both? It's

44:14

like the drill put

44:16

the thing inside her? Ah,

44:18

the whole thing? The

44:20

drill put something inside her because she says

44:23

something, she says she's

44:25

talking about it slithering around in

44:27

her and then like, squashing

44:29

onto something. It's

44:32

so creepy. It's like, I

44:35

think the device

44:37

puts the octopus inside her

44:40

or something and then it like

44:42

grabs onto her like a

44:45

uterus or like a fallopian tube. And

44:50

there's like blood and it's

44:52

horrible. So she's

44:54

like kind of awake for this part and

44:57

she's like, fuck, like something's weird. But then

44:59

she keeps going back. I might not wrap

45:01

my brain around whatever

45:03

lasting was supposed to be. Like

45:06

what they were pretending to say. What

45:08

they're even telling. Well,

45:10

because they were saying that like the gestational

45:12

period is way shorter and you have a

45:14

pregnancy without any change to your body in

45:16

like two months. Yeah. But

45:19

like, how does an octopus feature in and

45:21

then like somebody gets pregnant and it's clearly

45:23

not human and they force the woman to

45:25

carry the baby to term. I

45:28

know. And it's whole. Yeah.

45:31

Very ick. Extremely. Um,

45:35

nothing but ick. Ew.

45:38

Ew, ew, icky. And

45:42

then she, so then she like decides

45:44

to go back because she's

45:46

like, I need to get, that's

45:48

why she goes back. And then she's like, I need

45:50

to get like figure out what they're doing so that

45:52

Lillis can expose them. So

45:55

she like slatters herself in Vaseline

45:58

so that way it doesn't. It

46:00

can't go with her skin. And it's the

46:02

very stuff that her mom used to rub

46:04

into her hands to keep them from getting

46:07

Cracked and blistered. Yeah So

46:13

then she Pretends that she swam

46:15

in the thing and then she's like, oh my

46:17

god My hair's wet and then they like try

46:19

to put the stuff on her skin and it

46:21

doesn't really go into her skin

46:23

and they're just like why isn't it sticking and she's like, I

46:25

don't know it's really weird and and

46:28

They're like whatever I guess we have to get you

46:30

through anyway So then she goes in and she acts

46:33

all docile and then she's awake for the whole thing,

46:35

but it gets stopped Because

46:37

they're like this one is spoiled because

46:39

she stops taking her medicine and

46:41

they're like, what do you mean? and and

46:44

it's Sage's voice and she's like she Her

46:48

mandala like biometrics are all over the

46:50

place. Like this is done. She spoiled

46:52

like just give it up Yeah, but

46:54

before this Helen has already died poor Helen no

46:59

so Helen's been getting dizzier and dizzier by

47:01

the moment and then they

47:05

Come to her house. Oh, no. She's at the hospital

47:07

and she looks completely

47:09

different and they're

47:12

trying to take care of her at her house at one

47:14

point and she's like It's not

47:16

growing fur and shit completely

47:18

different. Yeah. Yeah, and like this and

47:20

again is like gee melting off of her. Yeah and

47:23

her hair is like her regular hair is like falling out and

47:26

it's like all this stuff and then when

47:30

They find out that she's dead and she's in the

47:32

morgue. She's just like melted

47:34

skin on a tray So

47:37

sad and then they're just really sad and then

47:39

Lilith and the narrator have sex and it's weird

47:43

Because they're both thinking about Helen. Yeah,

47:45

and then Lilith is like you might look like Helen But you're not

47:47

her and she's like wait and she

47:50

and she's like I'm not really gonna think about that and then

47:52

later She's like, oh should I do look exactly like Helen

47:54

which means we were taking the same thing Which means what happened

47:56

to Helen gonna happen to me? Mm-hmm,

47:59

but why? I would hell in them be like stop

48:01

taking everything because like no you need to

48:03

like what take it forever I go off

48:05

of it. I don't think you can

48:08

just go straight off of this shit But that's

48:10

what they say at the end is that like

48:12

Abruptly going off of it her body

48:14

didn't know how to normalize itself. So

48:16

she needed to like taper Yeah,

48:19

and slowly like over the course

48:21

of like two years like I did with my psych meds

48:24

But I don't even know if you can because

48:26

it did like Genetically change her so I don't

48:28

even know if she could ever Yeah,

48:31

she'd probably need to be taking something else

48:33

to correct it But like at the very

48:35

least I don't think this is a cold

48:37

turkey situation or maybe just take it forever But

48:40

then you look different. I just

48:42

don't even know what you do But like

48:44

you can't take it forever if the

48:47

company goes down. It's true But

48:50

guess what the company doesn't even really go down and

48:52

I guess it's bought and then it's more popular than

48:54

ever So

48:57

funny, I mean sad so by the

48:59

end of it so she

49:02

basically saves Everything

49:04

but so what we find out is

49:06

that they use this big giant magnifying

49:08

glass to burn piles of women with

49:12

the Sun and she

49:15

uses her body to aim it at

49:17

sage and Because

49:20

she's put in the pile to burn but she's

49:22

still alive So she crawls up turns

49:25

the magnifying glass to burn sage and Victor

49:28

melts her hands in the process and Like

49:31

the whole front of her body. It does

49:33

burn them. She then calls the police but

49:36

then Victor's there still

49:39

on fire. Somehow Tokes her

49:41

out and Then

49:44

she wakes up much later

49:47

and she's like now Part

49:50

animal part like she's

49:52

unrecognizable as herself everyone like

49:54

kids on the street are like you said

49:56

monsters aren't real Like her hands are fused

49:59

together or

50:02

her fingers are fused together. Yeah,

50:04

that's like webbing or something. Yeah, because she's like

50:06

part octopus or something. She's like

50:09

part many different animals. And

50:11

she then learns how to play piano, again,

50:15

becomes famous for it. But

50:17

she knows it's only because of the spectacle and people don't

50:20

do it to listen to her music. But she also

50:22

finds that she can now play the way she's always

50:24

wanted to. She doesn't have

50:26

to, yeah, follow conventions.

50:30

Essentially because she's deformed.

50:37

Right. I could just do what she wants.

50:40

Oh, I felt bad, or I

50:43

felt creeped out, I mean,

50:45

obviously by Victor, but at the beginning when he, because

50:48

his whole thing is that he's obsessed with beauty. And

50:51

he's at one of her

50:53

recitals as a donor. And

50:57

she's looking at these Roscos, and she doesn't realize

50:59

that it's Victor at that time. And

51:03

he's like, oh yeah, these are beautiful, aren't they?

51:05

And she had played a couple of pieces. And

51:08

he's like, I really liked that first piece you played. It was

51:10

really beautiful, but I didn't like that second one. And

51:13

she's like, why? And he's like, because it's not beautiful.

51:15

And she's like, it wasn't supposed to be beautiful. It's supposed

51:17

to be like haunting and like, yeah,

51:20

full of grief. And also like

51:22

your idea of beauty is like fucking limited.

51:25

Yeah, yeah, exactly. There is beauty

51:27

in this like sadness, but like all you

51:29

see is like, you want the pretty, the easy

51:31

pieces. You know? Yeah. Wait.

51:34

Yeah. And she's

51:36

like annoyed by him in that moment. And later we

51:38

learn it's Victor and he's like had his hooks in

51:41

her the whole time. But I

51:43

was just like, God, what a freak. He

51:45

reminds me of that dad. The

51:48

dad who's doing,

51:50

he's like putting his son's blood in him.

51:53

What dad? Oh my God. Don't tell me, you

51:55

must know about this man. What

51:58

are you talking about? Oh my God.

52:00

Billionaire what are you talking

52:02

about? Putting son's blood Inside

52:05

himself. Yeah, you don't know

52:07

about this man. No, there's

52:09

no way It's like been

52:12

a Twitter joke for so long Okay,

52:15

he and people were

52:17

doing What's

52:21

it called Halloween

52:23

costumes of him so funny.

52:25

So his name is Diane Johnson. He's a 45

52:27

year old biotech founder He

52:30

wanted to rewind the clock of his body Through

52:33

a program he calls project project blueprint. So

52:35

he was putting his 17 year

52:38

old son's blood in his blood

52:41

And he spends it's

52:44

something like here I'm gonna send you

52:46

this because it does show all the pictures which

52:48

maybe that will you're like,

52:50

oh, maybe I've seen that Um

52:54

My son father and I completed the

52:56

world's first multi-generational Plasma exchange

52:58

once divided by the mind

53:00

now united by biology Okay

53:06

and then He it's

53:09

the amount of money he spends a day is

53:11

like crazy on this He's

53:15

doing everything possible to reverse the aging process

53:17

so after all of this he's been doing

53:19

this for years he's been It's

53:23

it's a it's a non scientifically proven

53:25

process and not right a Suggested

53:29

um, I think he looks worse now that oh,

53:31

I'm sorry his son's name is Talmaj Of

53:36

course Hold

53:38

on I'm trying to see how

53:40

much money Does

53:43

what's his name Brian? How

53:45

much money? spent on

53:49

project blueprint Two

53:52

million a year. So he spends

53:54

two million dollars a year to reverse his age

53:56

and His

53:59

body not be 45.

54:01

After all of this, his body is

54:03

now biologically 42. Congrats,

54:08

sir. But

54:12

he's claiming his goal. I

54:14

mean, this is something Mike jokes about all the time of

54:16

like young blood. Yeah.

54:19

This is, this is real. Brian Johnson. He's... Well,

54:21

like, I'm sorry. You still look 45, sir. Yeah,

54:24

that's the problem. He still looks 45 and you just

54:26

wear like weird shirts. Yeah.

54:29

He claims that his skin is 28 and he

54:31

has the breathing capacity of

54:33

an 18 year old. At

54:37

what cost? And like also according

54:40

to whom? Yeah.

54:43

And also like, this is your

54:45

life. Like all you care about is this

54:47

pursuit of this thing that like isn't going

54:49

to fucking happen. And like, I

54:51

just feel like what a waste of, you're

54:53

chasing a different, you're chasing an

54:56

impossible future so you don't experience

54:58

today at all. What

55:00

a freak. It's silly. It's

55:03

silly. But he

55:05

reminds me of him, of Vincent. Yeah, for

55:07

sure. For

55:10

sure. But I

55:12

would say read this one. This is a good one.

55:14

I really liked this book a lot. Highly

55:17

recommend it. I cried

55:19

a lot. I also, I just like was

55:21

thinking about it a lot. And I know I say that

55:23

for a lot of our books, but I really was thinking

55:25

about it a lot. It's just

55:27

like really good. It's

55:32

well written as well. It's

55:34

laid out well. It's creepy. It

55:38

doesn't do the crime of explaining certain

55:40

things too much. You know what I

55:42

mean? Like just it doesn't over explain.

55:44

It doesn't under explain. Yeah, it doesn't.

55:47

It's like it's a fun comment on

55:50

goop style, like

55:52

beauty, obsessions, wellness,

55:56

self care. Um,

56:00

with self care to me, eating a little bag

56:02

of Takis. Maybe

56:05

my stomach hurt real bad. You

56:09

want to talk self care? Takis.

56:11

Give me a, give me a bag of Takis. Actually

56:15

the Takis that I got are like these little

56:17

tiny, this tiny bags and the Takis inside are

56:19

baby. They're really cute. They're like tiny Takis. And

56:22

it's perfect. It's like little, little bag. Yeah.

56:25

I suggest it. If you ever want to start

56:28

trying Takis. You

56:30

can get the tiny bags. Um,

56:33

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